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I'm Mike do So, joined by Evan 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: Lazar and Paul Parillo, and we had another hot practice 13 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: here today at the stadium behind Julett's, behind Jellette Stadium 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: on the practice fields and guys, the pads came back on. 15 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: It's one of those dog days of summer. I kind 16 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: of feel to it. But overall for me and I 17 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: think Evan two and you know, we kind of watched 18 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: it a little bit together this time, but I liked 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: what I saw from the offense today. It feels like 20 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: they're continuing to progress. I saw some real plays, you know, 21 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: we can get into. They finally started to do some 22 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: situational work, which I think Paul has some good points 23 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: to bring up on. But overall, Evan, for me, I 24 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: just was as nice to see some plays run and 25 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: smooth Pop Douglas a nice touchdown there which we saw 26 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: off the line of there is you know, it was 27 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: just it was just a little bit of excitement. And 28 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: it's kind of been tough the last couple of years 29 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: here with the offense in the training camp, but it 30 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: felt like today they're continuing to progress. 31 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 4: This felt like one of the better passing days of 32 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 4: training camp I've seen in a while from the Patriots, 33 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: a maybe even a couple of years, honestly, just it 34 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: wasn't necessarily that the ball never hit the ground or 35 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 4: anything like that, but the plays that they were hitting 36 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 4: looked like high level downfield throws in a lot of instances. 37 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 4: You mentioned a couple to Pop Douglas. I also thought 38 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 4: he hit Pop on a on an out with Sean 39 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 4: Waydon coverage. It's just perfect timing, anticipation, a great route. 40 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 4: Earlier in practice a couple of throws to Austin Hooper 41 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 4: down the field that I thought were decent throws by 42 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 4: Jacobe Brissett. So I don't know what his completion percentage was. 43 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: I don't know, but when you start to stack, you know, 44 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 4: was that a play the way AVP wants it to look? 45 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 4: On the whiteboard. I thought there were a bunch of 46 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,919 Speaker 4: those today, to the point where I was almost starting 47 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 4: to worry a little bit about. 48 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: The defense, like, yeah, we'll get there, we'll get there. 49 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 4: Wait a second, you know, they they lose Jalen Rager 50 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 4: up the sideline on one where I hit him on 51 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 4: a deep curl. 52 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think it was a touchdown. He 53 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 3: turned it back in. There was no one there. It's like, bro, yeah, 54 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: Alex Austin, Yeah, yeah, a lot. 55 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: Of depth back there. 56 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 4: And there was also some throws and we can get 57 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 4: to it when we talked about Drake May, but there 58 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 4: were also some throws that just missed but were open. 59 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 4: The receivers were open. And I'm shocked, you know, you 60 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 4: hear me, like, I'm like, oh my god. But there 61 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: was a lot of that today, and I thought Jacobe 62 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 4: were said through the ball well, and I was impressed. 63 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 4: This was probably one of their better offensive days. 64 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 5: Like I said, in a while, yeah, I would largely 65 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 5: agree overall with the you know, the stuff that you 66 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 5: guys are talking about. I sort of got to the 67 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 5: point where I was wondering, like they did some third 68 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 5: and long stuff. They did some hurry up and well, 69 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 5: not hurry up more or less like no huddle. It 70 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 5: was kind of a subtle difference there and then some 71 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 5: two minute towards the end, and I do think it 72 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 5: was a little choppy in terms of play to play, 73 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 5: but I would agree with Evan's assessment overall. I thought 74 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 5: there were more plays today that we keep talking about 75 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 5: that looked normal. You know, the timing looked right, Receivers 76 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 5: were getting open, and you know, you kind of joked 77 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 5: you're worried about the defense. It was almost to the point, 78 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 5: certainly at the end of that two minute draw I 79 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 5: was wondering if some of the plays were designed to 80 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 5: be completed, Like that's how much I was kind of 81 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 5: worried about the defense a little bit today. The touchdown 82 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 5: at Douglas that end of the two minute drill was 83 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 5: as effortless as can get. It was like, you know, 84 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 5: a little I saw it from about I'm like. 85 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: Didn't cover. 86 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 5: I was like, what, like that was either a big 87 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 5: time breakdown or you know, we can start to get 88 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 5: excited about the offense. 89 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, That's why I said Evan. I'm like, geez, 90 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: the offense is looking so good today. It's making me 91 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: worry about the defense now. But let's just stick on 92 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: the offense for a second, Paul, because you know, I 93 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: think we have to call out though that that the 94 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: problems with the operation false starts kind of you know, 95 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: snaps going like those kind of problems are continuing, and 96 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: I know, you know, Jacoby Brissette on those a little 97 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: bit said they are a big point ofis emphasis for 98 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: Alex van Pelt, you know, as well as we're used 99 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: to and we talked about it on Patriots on Filtered yesterday. 100 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: We're used to the Bill Belichick's situational practices where it feels, 101 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: for all intents and purposes, being like a game situation 102 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: where you know, the clock's running, everything feels kind of real. 103 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like that when they went situational today. 104 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: It feels I don't want to say plotting, but you 105 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: got mistakes mixed in and it seems like we're getting 106 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 2: there's not really that like go go go kind of 107 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: kind of feel to it. 108 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 5: And I thought, you know, Drake May had a comment 109 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 5: that he said David Andrews told him, you know that 110 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 5: it's never as good as it looks, and it's never 111 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 5: as bad. And I thought that there were times within 112 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 5: that drive and those drives that that was accurate. Some 113 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 5: of the plays were getting executed very well. Like Kevan explained, 114 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 5: in between the plays, you know, I'm counting three different 115 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 5: times that they sort of had a pause, you know, 116 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 5: not necessarily re huddle, but almost rehuddle and get everybody 117 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 5: on the same page. And then there were another, you know, 118 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 5: handful of fall starts. Again, some of them I think 119 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 5: we're offside on the defense too, But there was one 120 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 5: play that the whole side of the line moved on 121 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,119 Speaker 5: one side and the other side didn't. And then ninety 122 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 5: seven and that's Tristan Hill just like, yeah, came me, 123 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 5: you know, right up the right up the middle, un touched. 124 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 5: So yeah, never as good, never as bad. But I 125 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 5: do think that what I would focus on is another 126 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 5: day of progress. 127 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: Yeah offensively. 128 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an interesting point about the style of practice 129 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 4: and the bogged down moments that they did have, because 130 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 4: on the one hand, you can sit there and exactly 131 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: as Paul just laid it out, false starts, some bad 132 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 4: snaps here and their procedural stuff, and a Bill Belichick 133 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 4: practice that would be like lap after lap and like 134 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: no nose and you know, finger wags and maybe even 135 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: a rehuddle, like with Bill in the middle, being like, fellas, 136 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 4: let's get this together. Whereas with these West Coast coaches, 137 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: I keep saying it, but I feel like they just 138 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: want the presentation to look perfect. 139 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: Right. 140 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: If you hit a perfect play like we saw a 141 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 4: couple of times today, they're happy with that. And the 142 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 4: procedural stuff, they feel like, over time will just kind 143 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 4: of organically iron themselves out where we're used to a 144 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 4: little bit more of the opposite approach. 145 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: What I would worry about though, just from you know, 146 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: a procedural. 147 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 5: Standpoint is you know, you get you know, I'm just 148 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 5: looking at you get a completion for little to no gain, 149 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 5: then a false start, So now you might be looking 150 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 5: at second and fifteen. You know, the next play is 151 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 5: a nice hook to Hunter Henry. So to your point, 152 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 5: that play look perfect. We're set to Henry. You know, 153 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 5: sits down in media zone. You know, nice completion. Well 154 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 5: that's a first down today, but if it was second 155 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 5: and fifteen, it probably wouldn't have been a first down. 156 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 5: And now all of a sudden it's third down. Clocks running, 157 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 5: the pressures building and you know that kind of stuff. 158 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 5: So yeah, On one hand, it's important to get the 159 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 5: plays executed the way you want them executed, and I 160 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 5: think that's happening more often than not the last two days. 161 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: So let's also talk about Drake May. I mean, we 162 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: saw at the end of practice that the kind of 163 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: a two minute drill with Jakobe Prissett that was long. 164 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: I mean, team plays, a couple penalties, I mean, you know, 165 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: and sometimes that Jose drives when they were kind of 166 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: doing some situational stuff, they just kind of end like 167 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: there wasn't like a rush to kick a field goal 168 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: or like no fourth down attempt or push ups. 169 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 5: Like, yeah, they just kind of fizzled, kind of worrying 170 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 5: about the I was wondering about the clock of that drive, 171 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 5: like it kind of stopped a lot, you know. And 172 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 5: to Evan's point, it's probably by design with Alex man, 173 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 5: Pelt probably wants to make sure let's get what we 174 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 5: want to do here rather than worry about, you know, 175 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 5: being in mid season. 176 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: Form, getting and getting unrattled a little bit. But let's, 177 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: you know, talk about Drake May. Everybody wants to, of 178 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: course talk about him. For me, you know, look, I 179 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: just I didn't think like yesterday was this monumental bounce 180 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: back day. Like I just from my perspective, Drake May 181 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: has been pretty solid each day, Like you know, it's 182 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: it's it's kind of building, but like it's not overwhelming 183 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: to me, where all of a sudden, yesterday's practice was like, 184 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: oh the light went on, Like you know, like you're 185 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: seeing progress, but like in a way where there's a 186 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: play and you know that kind of I guess not. 187 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: I guess not. I'm trying to stay balanced, but like 188 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: this is kind of what I was expecting. You see 189 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: moments with him, you know, a couple of plays today, 190 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: touchdowns that he threw. I mean, he had some good plays. 191 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: But you know, again, I think it's we're stacking days. 192 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: I just don't want to overreact to be like, oh 193 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: it's all good now, Like he's good, but it's not overwhelming. 194 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: Oh it's all clicking now for him. 195 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely feel like you're on that rookie development 196 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 4: isn't always linear curve right now where it's gonna be 197 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: there's gonna be good plays and there's gonna be bad plays, 198 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 4: and trying to figure out the trend of is it 199 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 4: stacking or is it not stacking in a positive direction 200 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: is difficult to do. I think the two couple things 201 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 4: that he said after practice that I found interesting. Someone 202 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 4: asked him about the struggles he had earlier in the week, 203 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 4: and I know those are well documented. He mentioned that 204 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 4: they were in third and long situations in a lot 205 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: of those plays and said that, guess what, third and 206 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 4: long in the NFL is a lot harder than it 207 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: is in college. Right, So that was something that I 208 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: feel like he is adjusting to in those types of situations. 209 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: You know, third and eight against this defense is not 210 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 4: going to be what it was when he was playing 211 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 4: NC State, you know, six months ago, so it's gonna 212 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: be a different animal. And this second thing that he 213 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: said is that he's still trying to push the ball 214 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 4: down the field more like it hasn't really clicked for 215 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 4: him yet where that's coming. And I thought that was telling, 216 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 4: you know, I asked him about timing. I think all 217 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: of that links together that he isn't pushing the ball 218 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 4: down the field probably as much as he wants to, 219 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 4: based off of that answer that he gave us, and 220 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 4: it feels like that's the one thing that's holding him 221 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 4: back is maybe a little moments of hesitation, a little 222 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 4: uncertainty of the read and of what he's looking at. 223 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: Some double you know, yeah, no, ye, actually yes, yeah, 224 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 4: he had you know, Javon Baker is like a post route, 225 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 4: and I felt like it by he waited an extra 226 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: maybe half beat and Baker had to toe tap in 227 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 4: the back of the end zone. We felt up top 228 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 4: that he didn't get his feet and bounds, and Paul agrees, 229 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: And if that throw is out, just that half beat 230 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: makes that difference where that's now a sudden and easier 231 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 4: catch for the receiver. I'm not trying to to, you know, 232 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: lay it down on the guy. I just feel like 233 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 4: these are the things we're seeing. And the good news 234 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 4: to me, though, is that it's none of it's physical. 235 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 4: Like I'm not watching him throw the ball and being 236 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: like he just doesn't have the arm, like he just 237 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: can't make it there, or you know, his footwork is 238 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 4: completely sloppy and out of whack. I'm not seeing those 239 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 4: types of things right now. I think he's going through 240 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 4: some rookie growing pains with the offense and with the 241 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 4: system and the timing and the rhythm of it all. 242 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, Mike, real quick, just to give you some bookkeeping. 243 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 5: Matthew Judah was was out there in pads, took part 244 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 5: in you know, everything that I noticed, So that's a 245 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 5: good sign. I think that's a positive step for that situation. 246 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 5: Marcus Jones, Josh bled So a couple of guys added 247 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 5: to the absentee list. They came out well into practice, 248 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 5: not dressed, you know, otherwise. You know, Pepper's was in uniform, 249 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 5: didn't really do much other than running, but he did 250 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 5: talk after after practice, so he's probably getting a little 251 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 5: bit closer just you know, in a Vederian low stays 252 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 5: at left tackle. I know what. We talked about that 253 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 5: a little bit yesterday. So another good two days in 254 00:10:59,240 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 5: a row for Baderian. 255 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just. 256 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 4: Really quickly on on the tackle situation. You know, myself 257 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 4: included hand up on Caden Wallace. Maybe a little ahead 258 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 4: of ourselves on the Caden Wallace hype train. Had some 259 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 4: rough one on one reps today, and my guess is 260 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 4: that the coaches on the film and the team drills 261 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 4: from Monday and Tuesday weren't as high on it as 262 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 4: as I was watching it live. So he I wouldn't 263 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 4: I hate using the word demotion because that has such 264 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 4: a negative connotation, but right, yeah, but it feels like 265 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 4: maybe to pump the brakes a little bit on him 266 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 4: being this immediate kid. 267 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: And they did sign a tackle. 268 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: It's Kellen. 269 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 5: I'm not really sure how to pronounce, but he's you know, 270 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 5: he's a big six seven tackle. It's been bounced around 271 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 5: a couple of teams looking at Carve his way. Looks 272 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 5: like Tyrone Wheatley might be headed out because he was 273 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 5: wearing number seventy two in white. Wheatley wasn't that practice. 274 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 5: He looked like he was physically struggling in some of 275 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 5: the I think on Monday, Monday or Tuesday, so they're 276 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 5: still looking for some answers. 277 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: Up front. 278 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 5: Calvin Anderson looked like he dodged a bullet today. It 279 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 5: looked like he was he was injured for a while 280 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden he's taken repst at 281 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 5: right tackle in place of Chukes with the first group. 282 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: So hopefully he dodged a bullet. Just a little bit 283 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: of defense. To wrap this up, you guys know, it's 284 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: my thing. I was focusing on the reps today and Evan, 285 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: as you wrote, I think a couple of days ago 286 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: it was just they're having trouble and these one on 287 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: ones defensively getting around the blockers. Mike on WINU has 288 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: been great city so was great today. I think we 289 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: compared notes. We were both watching them separate, and we 290 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: both have like maybe two or three wins through the 291 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: whole period for the defense. So I know these are 292 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: individual drills, but. 293 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 5: Just because they win plenty when it goes eleven on eleven, Yeah. 294 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: But I think, like for me, like just looking at 295 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: the composition of the team's great at chewtons in there, 296 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: I think they'll be okay. I just I still wonder 297 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: about Barmore. They made another, you know, signing with Mike Purcell, 298 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: who was out there today. He's a big body guy, 299 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: so I don't know if that's necessarily an indictment, but 300 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: you know, you're you're seeing a lot of ninety five 301 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: Daniel Kualae, you know, like those are the guys that 302 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: are starting to fill in for bar Moore. So I 303 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: just these are my two general thoughts, and I'll let 304 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: you guys chime in. But my general thoughts are that 305 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: I'm a little bit concerned about the pass rush. You 306 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: mentioned a little bit of cornerback depth I think that's 307 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: a valid concern too, But but I just I wonder 308 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 2: about the interior push and offensively, I would just sum 309 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: up what I've seen over the last week and say 310 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: I think that they're going to be a functional offense. 311 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: I just think the X factor is truly having someone 312 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: like Taekwon Thornton or Booty or Rager, the guys that 313 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: I'm playing outside bringing some kind of downfield explosive element 314 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: to this offense. I think that they'll be okay, but 315 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: I just really still worry that they're going to be 316 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: when they get behind, when it's you know, they've got 317 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: to make some plays. It's going to be hard to 318 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: pick up chunk plays for this offense. Yeah, and that's that's. 319 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 5: Effectively, and that's what they want to do, and I 320 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 5: haven't really seen it much. 321 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: It's hard so far. 322 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 5: The last thing, you know, in regard to the cornerback thing, 323 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 5: just to sort of illustrate my point, Marcus Jones was 324 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 5: out today, and I know that they probably would do 325 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 5: it differently if it was a game. But Marcus Jones 326 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 5: was out. We saw Azz hearn yep in there, and 327 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 5: then we saw Marco Wilson. My guess is it would 328 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 5: probably be Jonathan Jones sort of, you know, moving around 329 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 5: a little bit to try to cover up that that 330 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 5: lack of depth and then having a guy like maybe 331 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 5: Alex Austin more involved than he was. But I still 332 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 5: think that they kind of have two and a half 333 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 5: corners that they feel good about. 334 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. 335 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, because I feel good about Marcus Jones. Good, 336 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: not great. 337 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 5: I feel good about Marcus Jones, but he is I mean, 338 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 5: he's had a hard time standing being durable. 339 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, exactly. 340 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 4: That's disappointing to Yeah, his size is always going to 341 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 4: be something that he's going to physically in terms of durability, 342 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 4: but also just in terms of playing style that he's 343 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 4: going to have to make up for the fact that 344 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 4: he's going to be small. Then, you know, at this level, 345 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 4: I think that the one thing with the pass rush 346 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 4: that stands out to me is just the lack of 347 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 4: one on one winners up front. When they aren't dressing 348 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 4: it up like there's no pressure, there's no blitz pack John, 349 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 4: there's no creeper or anything like that. You're just four 350 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 4: guys against five. I don't know right now, outside of 351 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 4: Jude on if I feel really good about any of 352 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 4: their other guys winning one on one. You mentioned on 353 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 4: one who in or the interior guys on Wenn and City. 354 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 4: So went seven to oh today and one on ones 355 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 4: and it wasn't particularly close, like no one was really 356 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 4: even yeah, even particularly close to beating either one of 357 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 4: those guys, and so that that's a concern and a 358 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 4: corner I'm coming to Paul's side of the street with 359 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 4: cornerback death because I said to you during practice today 360 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 4: as like, you know, Stefan Gilmore, this is Elliot Wolf. 361 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: How you doing? You know, like I think it makes 362 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: too much sense? Yeah, you know, you. 363 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 4: Watch Marco Wilson, Alex Austin, you know some of those 364 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 4: guys that they've had at as easy hear, and those 365 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 4: guys got picked on a little bit today and all 366 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 4: these plays that we're talking about offensively had a lot 367 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 4: of twenty eights and twenty two's and you know those 368 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 4: types of things writing those down. So it still feels 369 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: like Gonzo and John Jones are gonna be solid for you. 370 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 4: But are you gonna have a Waldough You don't want 371 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 4: a Waldo right where you team's come in on Sundays 372 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 4: and where's Waldo? And you're picking them out in the 373 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: secondary and right now I do feel like if Marcus 374 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 4: Jones isn't healthy, they might have a Waldo. 375 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, eight practice is down. Hard to believe, flying By. 376 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: We're gonna be onto the preseason next week, but we're 377 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: no rest for the wicked. We are back tomorrow, guys, 378 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: another padded practice we're expecting. I think it's gonna be 379 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: hot again. So yes, this is officially the dog days 380 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: of summer. But don't worry. 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