1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: So we're hearing this a lot this week, Traits versus production. 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: Welcome ber Gang. On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me. 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: We continue our coverage of the twenty twenty five scouting 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: Combine from Indianapolis. There are more than three hundred draft 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: prospects here in town. So how if you're the Cardinals 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: separate them. We'll get into that with Dame Brugler from 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: the Athletic. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight fifty three, 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: Budda Baker, What Heart? What rent? 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 3: He said the ten half of five. He's it again 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 3: some more hurry magic. 17 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craigdrieler. 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: So the official number is three and twenty nine. That's 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: the number of players who are invited to the combine, 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: not although we'll be participating in the drills, and that's 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: been a subject of debate, which has been a subject 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: of debate for a few years now. But what is 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: not up for debate, and that is how good you 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: Danny Surrek are at pottery. Oh as I come completely 25 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: out of left field on show. 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that I would speak that highly 27 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 4: of my performance, but I did put in my best 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 4: effort my first time at a pottery wheel. 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: Okay, if you're wondering, bergang, if. 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: What we're talking about wrong, podcast, let me. 31 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: Change here in Indianapolis did any pottery work at least 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: not to my knowledge. But there is a brand new 33 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: feature called Cardinals Overtime on the Arizona Cardinals official YouTube channel. 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: And one of the futures that Danny just posted or 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: helped produce was on tight End tip Ryman year one, 36 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: and we found out during his introductory press conference more 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: than a year ago or less than a year ago, 38 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: but a year ago after he was drafted that part 39 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: of his I guess how he relaxes or a hobby 40 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: AGV hobby is is pottery. 41 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 4: It's so it truly makes me speechless because this is 42 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 4: somebody who was a self proclaimed mauler on the football field, 43 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 4: who after he was drafted, said he felt like he 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 4: was put on this earth to run people over and 45 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 4: to block people which has made him a great addition 46 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 4: to this Cardinal's roster. In the rookie year that he 47 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 4: had and the impact he had, very shocking that he 48 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 4: was into pottery he was. I'm still a little shocked 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 4: how good he was. I mean, he was not lying 50 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 4: when he said that's what he likes to do and 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 4: he's experienced. So I had the opportunity. It was really 52 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: fun time talking with Tip and going to make some 53 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 4: pottery in town. And so while we were at the wheel, 54 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 4: we were talking about his rookie year, talking about his 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 4: off season where he and his wife recently just welcomed 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 4: their first child. 57 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: Congratulations. 58 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, absolutely. We were talking about some goals he 59 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 4: had and just getting to know Tip a little more 60 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 4: as a person. He made a very beautiful vase. I 61 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 4: made what was intended to be a ball, and unfortunately 62 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 4: for me, it seems I may have to take up 63 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 4: smoking because it looks more like an ash tray. Okay, 64 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: so it's not great, but I would recommend checking it out. 65 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 4: It's on Acycardinals dot com, It's on our official YouTube channel. 66 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: It is something different any meek and that is the 67 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: point of these Cardinals overtime pieces is off the field, 68 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: and it's not even just about Cardinals players and hobbies. 69 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 4: We've had one about Larry Fitzgerald and his playoff run, 70 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: and we've had one on Jay Hasting's the Cardinals twenty 71 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 4: twenty four Fan of the Year. We have a few 72 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 4: more coming out. They're very unique pieces, and I think 73 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 4: that's really special where you were looking at ties to 74 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 4: the Cardinals organization from all facets and getting to tell 75 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 4: different stories. And one of the more unique ones is 76 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: one of your tight ends being incredibly talented at a 77 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 4: pottery wheel. So that was a lot of fun and 78 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: I'm very gracious that Tip was willing to give me 79 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 4: my first lesson and have a little fun there. 80 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: And someone that works with his hands on the football field, 81 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: and you have to be violent when you're on the 82 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, blocking and catching. Yet pottery is the 83 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: complete one to eighty. You have to be very careful, 84 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: very gentle. As you watch this, I found it very 85 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: fascinating because I didn't know much about it, but on 86 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: just how patient and then any slight movements or slip 87 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden that bowl that and he 88 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: was trying to make just completely. 89 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: I learned that the hard way unfortunately. It is really 90 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 4: impressive of the touch and the detail and all those 91 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 4: things that go into it. And after we'd finished wrapping up, 92 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 4: I had asked, Tip, you know, if I weren't here 93 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 4: slowing you down, how many pieces do you think you 94 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 4: could have made that timeframe? Dozens? 95 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness, dozens. 96 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: Yes, So he was moving pretty quickly. I think he 97 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 4: made his vase as intricate as he did because he 98 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 4: had the time as I was working through my bowl 99 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 4: slash ashtray. 100 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: Again. 101 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 4: It was a lot of fun. I would recommend checking 102 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 4: it out as well as our other overtime pieces. 103 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: Well you do it again, I would it was. 104 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 4: It was a lot of fun. I think the more 105 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 4: I if I were able to do it more consistently, 106 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 4: it would be enjoyable because I would be better at it. 107 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 4: I did have a good time though, my first time 108 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 4: doing that. 109 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: That's good. 110 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: It's up on the Arizona Cardinals official YouTube channel and 111 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: also on Azycardinals dot com. We'll get to Dan Brugler 112 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: here in a moment. The NFL draft analysts for the 113 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: Athletic but I mentioned as far as the prospects and 114 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: coming up later on Thursday, the on field workouts begin, 115 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: You're gonna see some names. You're not gonna see all 116 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: of the names, however, because some of those top prospects, 117 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: top ten, top fifteen are choosing not to work out, 118 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: wait until their pro day. It's something that we've seen 119 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: now for several years. In fact, we saw it last 120 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: year with Marvin Harrison Junior. And it's always a talking 121 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: point though each year, like, well, it's a TV show, 122 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: you want to see the stars on TV. Yet many 123 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: of those stars, Danny are just choosing, yeah, we've done enough. 124 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: We'll let our film speak for itself and we don't 125 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: feel we need to do anything. More and more and 126 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: more teams are getting asked about it, and more and 127 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: more teams are saying, look, we get it. It's the medicals, 128 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: it's the interviews, and yeah, the tape doesn't lie. We're 129 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: good with what they showed during the season. 130 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 4: It is interesting how this continues to evolve year after 131 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: a year. There are players like Harrison Junior last year 132 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 4: who did not do the workouts because, to your point, 133 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 4: showed what he did on film and something that he 134 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: had talked about was wanting to preserve his body, so 135 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: not having to not only do drills this week, but 136 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 4: all the preparation leading up to the Combine, and that 137 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 4: was something that was discussed, was preserving your body coming 138 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 4: off a college season and getting ready for a very 139 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 4: long rookie season and all the changes and adjustments and 140 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: playing more games. To me, it's not a big deal. 141 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 4: It only works though for you to not do those workouts. 142 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 4: If you are a certain player or certain position, a quarterback, 143 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 4: that's the one that mostly comes up because you want 144 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 4: to put yourself in a position to succeed and to 145 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 4: be seen in the best light. The Combine is not 146 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 4: going to necessarily make or break a player's draft number 147 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: where the likely going to fall, because there's so much 148 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 4: that goes into that. This is mostly about the medicals 149 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 4: and the interviews and kind of doing that final checklist. However, 150 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 4: if you're a quarterback, you want to put on your 151 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 4: best performance. And for a lot of those players, they 152 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: feel that it's at their pro day where they are 153 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 4: comfortable in the setting, they are comfortable with their receivers 154 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: that they are throwing to, and so they feel like 155 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 4: they're putting out a better performance as opposed to being 156 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 4: here in the Combine and you are in a different environment. 157 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 4: You're throwing into receivers you don't have a connection or 158 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 4: a chemistry with, and so you want to make sure 159 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 4: you're being seen in a good light. That's not gonna 160 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 4: work for certain players who are not top five, top ten, 161 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 4: maybe even down to top twelve, fifteen. If you're talking later, 162 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 4: you're gonna want to go out here and you're gonna 163 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: want to showcase your abilities. And something we've heard from 164 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 4: some of the analysts that we've talked to over the 165 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 4: week here in India on these cover two interviews is 166 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: how something that can change is somebody realizing maybe you're 167 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 4: a little faster than they thought. So if you're not 168 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 4: gonna come out here and you're not going to run 169 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 4: the forty, okay, then maybe they feel like they have 170 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: an eye idea. But if you come out here and 171 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 4: you impress someone with your speed or your ability to 172 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 4: change direction or your hit flexibility, that can make somebody 173 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 4: open their eyes a little more and say, you know what, 174 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 4: let me dive a little deeper into what I saw. 175 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 4: Let me dive a little deeper into who you are, 176 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 4: because maybe you opened up my eyes to something that 177 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: I didn't see on your film. So it can go 178 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 4: both ways. I understand why there's a handful of players 179 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 4: who don't want to come and do the drills and 180 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 4: the workouts here at the combine. More players than not, though, 181 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 4: will continue to do that. 182 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: And we're talking about a select few that know that 183 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: they're going to hear their name called within the first 184 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen maybe twenty picks. There are other players 185 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: that are choosing to sit out because of injury. Yet 186 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: all right, so those ten to fifteen players aren't participating, well, 187 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: that opens up the door for more reps for someone 188 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: else to steal the show or catch the attention to someone. 189 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: To your point, where, Okay, they wowed us here on 190 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: the field, Either what were we missing on film or 191 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: let's go take a second look to see what we 192 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: saw in person. Did we miss something or could we 193 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: find a way to utilize their skill set within our 194 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: offense or defense that maybe wasn't used right or correctly 195 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: for them? 196 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 4: In college quarterbacks specifically, what can you really learn in 197 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 4: the grand scheme of things from a player throwing a 198 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 4: football in shorts, no pressure, yep, not wearing pads. You're 199 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 4: in an enclosed environment, it's silent. You can gain a 200 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 4: few things if you're looking at arm strength or timing 201 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 4: and ball placement. But again, when you're watching somebody in 202 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 4: shorts and a T shirt, it's very different than game action. 203 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 4: So quarterbacks specifically, I do think has a different argument 204 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 4: than a lot of these other positions. 205 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: It's again, it's gonna be a debate until you get 206 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: that one year which is never gonna happen, which everyone participates, 207 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: but something that always pops up. And thought we'd do 208 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: a little bit of our own deep dive here on 209 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: Cardinals cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the 210 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. As we mentioned earlier off the top, Yeah, 211 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: we had a chance to speak with Dame Brugler, NFL 212 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: draft analyst for the Athletic. He's been doing this a 213 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: really long time, does a really good job. Try to 214 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: get him on the show last year scheduling wise, it 215 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: didn't work out. Glad we were able to do it 216 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,359 Speaker 1: this year. Our conversation began with what else his draft guide? 217 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 5: Well, really the Beast that's kind of like my thing, 218 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 5: the Draft guide when that comes out in April. 219 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: It's something I'm very proud of. 220 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 5: I mean, at my heart, I'm a draft fan, and 221 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 5: so I want to create something that people want to 222 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 5: read and consume. And if you're gonna do something, you 223 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 5: might as well do it the best you possibly can. 224 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 5: And so with the Draft Guide, there's any possible detail 225 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 5: you want to know about a player, it's going to 226 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 5: be in there. And I'm fascinated by not just the evaluation, 227 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 5: the analysis, but the journey these guys take. You know, 228 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 5: like no two journeys are the same, whether it's you know, 229 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 5: their upbringing, how they grew up, different adversities they've had 230 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 5: in their life. So understanding the journey for all these guys, 231 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 5: I think helps tells us where they're headed. So the 232 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 5: analysis is important, but so is the journey and all 233 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 5: the background information. And that's a big part of what 234 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 5: I do throughout this entire process. 235 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 4: When you're here in Indy this week at the scouting combine, 236 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 4: whether that's what players are saying at the podium, what 237 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 4: you're hearing from executives around the league, or even the workouts, 238 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 4: how much can what you see this week a fact 239 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: where players fall on your big board. 240 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: This week is one big cross checking exercise. 241 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 5: That's what the whole week and that's why NFL teams 242 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 5: look at it at That's how I do it because 243 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 5: most of the hay is in the barn. At this point, 244 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 5: we had a full season of film. If we've looked 245 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 5: at all the film, most of these guys we've already 246 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 5: talked to, whether during the season or you know, at 247 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 5: the All Star. 248 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: Game, Shrine Bowl, Senior Bowl. This year. 249 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 5: At the combine on the field and off the field 250 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 5: is about just checking the boxes like, hey, this guy's 251 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 5: fast on film. 252 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: Okay, you ran a four to three. Check that box 253 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: and maybe it wasn't as fast. 254 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 5: And you know, if something is different here at the 255 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 5: combine than what you saw on film, then you need 256 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 5: to go back and figure out, Okay, what am I missing? 257 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 5: But really the main point of the combine is the 258 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 5: medicals and the interviews. That's where things can really shift 259 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 5: when you find out about you know, maybe an injury 260 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 5: you didn't know about or it's a chronic injury. The 261 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 5: interview process is so important because teams want to be 262 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 5: able to connect with the player, especially quarterbacks. So that's 263 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 5: where we see the biggest movement is not necessarily the 264 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 5: on field stuff, but the medicals in the interviews. 265 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: That's why the combine exists. 266 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 5: And also what will create the biggest you know, ups 267 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 5: and downs as teams formulate their draft. 268 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: Board, specifically with the Cardinals a year ago. Here with 269 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: the fourth overall pick, it's pretty easy grad your quarterback, 270 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: you kind of new position, maybe some players, but when 271 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: you're sitting at sixteen, is at a good spot more 272 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: difficult Obviously you're at sixteen or lower mede. You had 273 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: a good season right the year before, but at sixteen, 274 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: a lot of different names may be a handful of 275 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: different positions. 276 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're a little bit in the middle where like 277 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 5: every team's going to have a different number of true 278 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 5: first round grades. I know, for me, I only have 279 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 5: like twelve or thirteen first round grades in this draft. 280 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 5: And so if you're at sixteen and you only have 281 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 5: fourteen fifteen first round grades, you're kind of crossing your 282 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 5: fingers hoping one of those guys makes it to you 283 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 5: at sixteen. If not, then you're picking from the top 284 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 5: of the next tier, which maybe is an ideal, but 285 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 5: I think it depends on the position. 286 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: You want to top. 287 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 5: Ten, top fifteen, don't reach on position. You know you'd 288 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 5: take the best possible players. 289 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: After you get out. 290 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 5: Of the top fifteen that's when you start to all, right, 291 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 5: well we really need a pass rusher, we really need 292 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 5: a defensive tackle, and so you know, let's look at 293 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 5: our defensive tackle stack and say, okay, do we feel 294 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 5: comfortable taking them here? So yeah, it's sixteen is a 295 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 5: really interesting place to pick also, because you just don't 296 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 5: know how the first fifteen picks are going to play out. 297 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 5: You know, it's funny how, you know, mock drafts kind 298 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 5: of get a bad name sometimes. You know what teams 299 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 5: do mock drafts all the time. They want to know 300 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 5: how is this first round going to play out, and 301 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 5: so they try to forecast it. So the more mocked 302 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 5: draft you do, the more prepared you were on draft day, 303 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 5: so you're ready when oh, you know, like this guy 304 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 5: went here, Okay, well we're ready to go. 305 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 3: We're not surprised by that. 306 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 5: So I think the Cardinals are an interesting spot where 307 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 5: there's gonna be a lot of preparation. Understand, Okay, if 308 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 5: this happens, we'll pivot to this, having a plan BCD 309 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 5: and so on, and just knowing this front office, I'm 310 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 5: sure they'll be buttoned up and ready to go. 311 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 4: You mentioned two positions of need for the Cardinals defensive 312 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 4: tackle and edge, which are two of the deepest positions 313 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 4: in this draft. What is it, whether that's physical traits 314 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: or production that has so much depth with these prospects 315 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 4: this year, that's both. 316 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 5: I mean, you can point to certain players that are 317 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 5: maybe a little more toolsy, have a lot of the 318 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 5: traits that you want. 319 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: Are the ones are have the production? Some have both. 320 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 5: But you know, the scouting motto is traits over production. 321 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 5: You know, sacks don't necessarily translate where traits do, and 322 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 5: so in college there's a lot of you know, sacks 323 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 5: aren't necessarily the best way to gauge a pass rusher 324 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 5: where you want to watch the film and understand how 325 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 5: is he winning, how much is he creating disruption. Shamar 326 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 5: Stewart from Texas A and M is a great example 327 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 5: of that in this draft. Who He's sixty five, two 328 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 5: hundred eighty pounds one and a half sacks this year. 329 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 5: Never had more than one and half sacks in his 330 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 5: three year career at Texas A and M. But when 331 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 5: you watch the film and you see how much he 332 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 5: is pressuring the quarterback, because at the end of the day, 333 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 5: you want guys that affect the quarterback playing and simple. 334 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: Of course, you want him to get the sack. 335 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 5: But as long as he's affecting the quarterback and making 336 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 5: a move his feet, affecting his decision making, that is 337 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 5: what you want. And Shamar Stewart does that at a 338 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 5: high level. I think he's gonna have a big week 339 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 5: this year for a guy that's two hundred and eighty pounds. 340 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 5: I can't wait to see that ten yard split. Is 341 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 5: it gonna be under? He's gonna be in the one fives. 342 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 5: Anything under you know, one six y five is a 343 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 5: good time, and at two hundred eighty pounds, if he's 344 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 5: in the one fives, that'll be exceptional. So really excited 345 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 5: to see him test. I think he might solidify himself 346 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 5: as a as a top sixteen type of player in 347 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 5: this draft. 348 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: A player like that, and there are others where the 349 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: might not be where you would like it. So as fans, 350 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: you're looking at the stats and like rights and then 351 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: like players or like evaluators like yourself or front office like, well, 352 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: we don't care so much about the numbers, but what 353 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: are we seeing on film? How do you for fans 354 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: out there, how do you kind of what to pay 355 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: attention to with a player like that, especially along the 356 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: defensive front. 357 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 5: There's so much context involved with these conversations because you 358 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 5: know a guy like Shamar Stewart, Yeah he only had 359 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 5: one to have sacks, but he led the team in pressures, 360 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 5: you know, so he was getting pressure on the quarterback. 361 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 5: And you look at a guy like Mike Green from Marshall, 362 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 5: who I like a lot led the nation in sacks, 363 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 5: but he also did most of his damage against Sun 364 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 5: Belt competition, where a guy like Shamar Stewart was in 365 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 5: the SEC facing SEC level competition, So that. 366 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: Factors into it as well. 367 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 5: There's so much of that context is important when you 368 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 5: try to break these guys down, and that's why teams 369 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 5: will focus on the traits more than anything because the 370 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 5: level of play, the level of competition is so different. 371 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: There's no Miles Garrett in this draft. 372 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 5: You know, the no brainer traits and production, but there 373 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 5: are a lot of good quality players that I think 374 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 5: whether they go it feels like that sixteenth is going 375 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 5: to be trenches, right, I mean, whether it's defensive line, 376 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 5: offensive line, inside, outside, feels like it's going to be 377 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 5: a trench type of pick. And if they went offense, 378 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 5: I think there's some good options there. If they want defense, 379 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 5: there's good options. But it's especially the defensive line. If 380 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 5: they want to wait till round two, round three, it's 381 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 5: a position that's going to stretch out for them. 382 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 4: I mean, General manager many Osport and head coach Jonathan 383 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 4: Gannon have been vocal over the years about how much 384 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 4: they value the trenches, and Austin word has drafted four 385 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 4: offensive linemen in his tenure in Arizona. Talking a little 386 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 4: bit about the depth of rounds two or three for 387 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 4: a defensive tackle, what other positions could Cardinals fans maybe 388 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 4: expect to see later on in the draft Day two, 389 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 4: maybe even early day three, when you're looking big picture. 390 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think tight end will stretch. That's one 391 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: of the deepest positions this year. Running back is going 392 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 5: to stretch. Also one of the deepest positions this year. 393 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 5: It's interesting when you talk about teams specific because you know, 394 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 5: I'm looking at over three hundred all the players here, 395 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 5: but most team boards are about one hundred and fifty names. 396 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 3: You know, they're not that deep. And so how the 397 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 3: Cardinals while down the list. 398 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 5: Of the guys specifically they're looking at, and the positions 399 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 5: It is something that you wish could be a fly 400 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 5: on the wall to see that process for them. But 401 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 5: I think that you know, whether they want to add 402 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 5: another receiver to the mix, you know there's gonna be 403 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 5: some of those receivers they want to go in the secondary. 404 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 5: I think there's going to be some good secondary players 405 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 5: that they can choose from. So yeah, defensive line, running back, 406 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 5: tight end. Those are three positions more than the others 407 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 5: that are the deepest and that will have the most 408 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 5: guys drafted in the first three rounds, But there are 409 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 5: other positions as well that have plenty of depth. 410 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: With the quarterback position, the prospects coming out this year, 411 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to hold the value of maybe previous years, right, 412 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: but quarterbacks always get overvalued. Someone's gonna get selected ahead 413 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: of what they perhaps were quote quote slotted. Is there 414 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: a third or a fourth quarterback that could potentially help 415 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: the Cardinals to land a player of higher value at 416 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: sixteen then might have gone maybe in the top ten, 417 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: But the quarterback. 418 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 3: You can't win if you don't have a quarterback, that's it. 419 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 5: And we last year is a prime example of that 420 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 5: with Michael Pennis going eight and Bo Nick's going twelve, 421 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,959 Speaker 5: two things that we didn't see coming even draft day. 422 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 5: Even going into that day, we didn't think those two 423 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 5: quarterbacks would go that early. I have a tough time 424 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 5: seeing it in this class, just because it's such a 425 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 5: weak quarterback class. After you get past you know, cam 426 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 5: Ward's the favorite to be the first quarterback drafted. 427 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: Actually reminds me a lot of Kyler. 428 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 5: Whether he's taller and not as fast, but just play 429 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 5: style wise, the way they like to play reminds me 430 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 5: a lot of Kyler. Shadhar Sanders is a lightning rod 431 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 5: in terms of where exactly he's gonna land. Some teams 432 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 5: like him, some team's not as much, and then who's 433 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 5: gonna be. He's not even guaranteed to be that second quarterback, 434 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 5: you know, you know, whether it's Jackson Dart or Tyler 435 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 5: Shuck or one of these other quarterbacks. How these quarterbacks 436 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 5: play out on draft weekend is something that I don't 437 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 5: think anybody has a great feel for right now, because 438 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 5: in most years, yeah, quarterbacks go, but this feels closer 439 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 5: to the Kenny Pickett year than last year. You know, 440 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 5: the Kenny Pickett year. Everyone up until that draft was saying, 441 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 5: I don't know whether they're gonna go, but they're gonna go. 442 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: They're gonna go. 443 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 5: Quarterbacks always go, And of course we had one quarterback 444 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 5: go in the first seventy three picks that year. It 445 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 5: won't be quit like that this year, but I think 446 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 5: it's closer to that year than it is to last 447 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 5: year when we had six in the top twelve. So 448 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 5: I have a tough time seeing more than two quarterbacks 449 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 5: go in the first fifteen picks this year. 450 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: Revisiting the Cardinals draft from a year ago and the 451 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: players that were selected that you are high on some production, 452 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: maybe not the impact from a Marvin Harrison junior. We 453 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of Darius Robinson, Max Melton, Isaiah Adams. 454 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 3: Certainly later on in the season. 455 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: We potentially could see them play more this season and 456 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: seasons to come. But where do you see last year's 457 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: draft class versus the production we saw twenty twenty four. 458 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's obviously you want that immediate impact, especially 459 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 5: when you have a top five pick and you know 460 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 5: the bar was set so high for Marvin Harrison junior. 461 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 5: It is gonna be so hard for him to actually 462 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 5: live up to what a lot of people expected. Out 463 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 5: of him. You know, he had a fine rookie year. 464 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 5: Was it exceptional? I wouldn't say that, but it was 465 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 5: a fine rookie year. Plenty of reason to be optimistic 466 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 5: moving forward. I think a lot of their other picks 467 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 5: were more for the future than necessarily a guy that's 468 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 5: going to come in from right away and make a 469 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 5: huge impact. So I'm interested to see a guy like 470 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 5: Max Melton, who is a really talented corner and see 471 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 5: how he develops going into a year or two. Darius 472 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 5: Robinson and obviously a guy that they don't make many 473 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 5: Darius Robinson. There are not many guys that look like that, 474 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 5: move like that walking down the street. So you know, 475 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 5: he took a big steps as a senior at Missouri. 476 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 5: What's his Is he gonna take another big step now 477 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 5: as a sophomore in the NFL. Kind of looking for 478 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 5: that from him, But yeah, it's it felt like a 479 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 5: draft of where it when we look back three years 480 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 5: from now, it's gonna be a lot more flattering than 481 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 5: just after a one year look back. 482 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 4: What is a general realistic jump from year one to 483 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 4: year two for players in the NFL? People like Marvin 484 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 4: Harrison Junior and Darius Robinson. 485 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, and every player is different, you know, there's different 486 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 5: contexts and circumstances. But for a gala Darius Robinson, who 487 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 5: is just so he's so physically gifted, but everyone is 488 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 5: at the NFL level, So it's about understanding, you know, 489 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 5: setting up your pass rush, your you know, it's it's 490 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 5: almost like a chess match where offensive lineman know what 491 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 5: your strengths are and know what you like to do. 492 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 5: You have to expand your repertoire so you can mix 493 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 5: it up enough where you're gonna keep them guessing. And 494 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 5: so for a gal like Darius Robinson, it's just okay, yeah, 495 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 5: we know you have power. We know you can you 496 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 5: can go speed to power and be a battering ram 497 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 5: with your hands. What else can you do to unlock 498 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 5: those blocks? And so just expanding his ability as a 499 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 5: pass rutscher, that's big. For Marvin Harrison Junior, it's just 500 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 5: it's locking in and it's such a chemistry reposition. You 501 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 5: know it just if you're not on point with your quarterback, 502 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 5: it's going to be disrupted. So just getting that better 503 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 5: chemistry and that's nobody. 504 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: Works harder than Marvin Harrison Junior. 505 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 5: So I have no doubt that him and Caler are 506 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 5: going to get there where it's just you know, second 507 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 5: nature for them running routes and you know, completing big 508 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 5: passes down the field. 509 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: Always appreciate the time before we let you go. Where 510 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: can fans find the latest from the Athletic and Dame. 511 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 5: Brugler, Yeah, you find everything on the Athletic. I've got 512 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 5: a mot coming out after this week when everything we learned, 513 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 5: and then of course the Beast when that comes out 514 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 5: in early April. 515 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: It's something that if. 516 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 5: You're a draft fan at all, a die hard or 517 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 5: even just a casual fan, I promise you you will 518 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 5: enjoy what the Beast has to offer. 519 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: Always appreciate it, Enjoy this. Thank you, great conversation with Dane, 520 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: Appreciate him joining us. Follow his work on the Athletic 521 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: and on Twitter. His handle is at dp Brugler. And 522 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: as he mentioned, yeah, the Beast the draft guide with 523 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: more draft profiles than players who will hear their name 524 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: called on Thursday, Friday and Saturday of the draft, but 525 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: that will be available coming up ahead of the draft. 526 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: And again, great conversation. Would have loved to have the 527 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: opportunity to speak with him. A year ago as well. 528 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: But like his take, and like we've heard from several 529 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: different people in fact, Daniel Jeremiah on Wednesday, as far 530 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: as all right, evaluating these players that the Cardinals are 531 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: looking at, especially along defensive line and edge, all right, 532 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: you see what they are, they're measurables, and then you 533 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: see what they produced on the field, and if their 534 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: production wasn't what you expected, but they have these traits 535 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: that are just well off the charts, how do you 536 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: balance all Right, they weren't that productive in college, but 537 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: maybe they are better suited because of what they are 538 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: physically their skill set at. 539 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: The pro level. 540 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 4: It's a really interesting topic of just because you were 541 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 4: productive in college doesn't necessarily mean it's going to pan 542 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 4: out that way in the pros. And there's a long 543 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 4: list of players where that is seen, handful of them 544 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 4: in the last couple of years, thinking about some of 545 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 4: the top draft picks. So the importance of drafting the 546 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 4: traits over production alone, and finding players that are the 547 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 4: right fit culturally in this building, and also what you 548 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 4: like to see. I mean, we've talked so many times 549 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 4: over the last two years with this coaching step defense, 550 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,479 Speaker 4: specifically of what they ask for their defensive linemen and 551 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: their pass rushers and even some of their secondary players. 552 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 4: And Xavin Collins is a great example off the edge. 553 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 4: He's not somebody who's just gonna b rush and get 554 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 4: to the quarterback every time. He is asked to do 555 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 4: so much more in the run game and dropping back 556 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 4: into coverage. So those traits are going to be crucial. 557 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 4: Looking beyond how many sacks, how many tackles for loss, 558 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 4: how many quarterback hits? Is getting the quarterback and causing 559 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 4: havoc important in those positions? Absolutely, there's no denying that 560 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 4: this staff has shown with free agents and even some 561 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 4: rookies though of if they feel like there is a 562 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 4: player who has untapped potential, has the traits, and has 563 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 4: the mindset of working hard, loving football, putting the team first, 564 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 4: they can find a way to get the best of them. 565 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 4: The first player that comes to my mind when thinking 566 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: about that is linebacker Mac Wilson Senior, didn't have a 567 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 4: lot of reps in New England, comes to Arizona somebody 568 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 4: who really wanted to be here the same way. The 569 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 4: staff really saw what they liked and h knew that 570 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 4: there was untapped potential and was able to use Wilson 571 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 4: in ways he wasn't in New England. Not even just 572 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 4: how he was used, but the amount of times he 573 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 4: was used in a game. 574 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: It's a great example. And then you figure out, right, 575 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: based off the college prospects, the competition you're facing. As 576 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: Dan mentioned, you know, context is king as far as 577 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: all right, you're playing against sec quality competition, your numbers 578 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: aren't great, or you're playing a lower competition, and all 579 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden, your numbers are off the charts. And 580 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: again I'm guilty of it, as many people are as well. 581 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: You pick up a statue at the game you're looking at, 582 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: or what happens like, oh, well, they didn't do anything, 583 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: they didn't show up on the statuet. Well you watch 584 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: the film and coaches watch the all twenty two or 585 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: they're diving in specifically, and like, oh well that guy 586 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: carried a double team to allow his teammate to make 587 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: a play. And then all of a sudden you figure out, 588 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: all right, well that's a better fit. And they did 589 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: have major, maybe a bigger impact than someone who did 590 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: have the half a dozen sacks or not I mean 591 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: a half a dozen tackles. 592 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 4: This was something that general manager Money Austome for it 593 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 4: talked about at the podium Tuesday when he was asked 594 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 4: about what he sees from the defensive tackle and the 595 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 4: edge players here in this draft class of there was 596 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 4: a lot of flavors, and so it's just kind of 597 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 4: what you're looking for. Do you want somebody with the bend, 598 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 4: with the power, the motor, the speed. There's so many 599 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 4: different things you can look at and prioritize the arm length. 600 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 4: I mean, the list can go on and on. It's 601 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 4: about what do you prioritize, What do you still need? 602 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 4: What are you wanting to add more of? And thankfully 603 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 4: for the Cardinals, those are two of their glaring needs 604 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: and those are two of the positions that resoundingly from 605 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 4: analysts are going to be some of the best players 606 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 4: for immediate impact and also deep draft spots right, not 607 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 4: just if the Cardinals want to take him at sixteen, 608 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 4: but those positions are deep enough to where you could double. 609 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: Dep Now, two other positions that Dane was high on 610 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: that feels there could be some depth or two positions 611 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: the Cardinals don't really perceive to have a need tight 612 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: end and running back. So I'm curious on Okay, if 613 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: it's so deep and someone falls and you're like, okay, well, 614 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: our room at tight end is young, and we're kind 615 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: of full there. Our room at running back well, based 616 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: off what Jonathan Gannon had to say earlier this week 617 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: about Trey Benson potentially being a number one running back 618 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden you've got two with 619 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: James Connor, it would be a surprise to me if 620 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: you heard running back or tight end associated with a 621 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: draft pick on the first two days. 622 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 4: Especially since the Cardinals have six picks at least where 623 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 4: we stand right now, as opposed to the twelve last year, 624 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 4: in which anything would have gone. Because you have twelve picks, 625 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 4: it would be a surprise taking a running back or 626 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 4: tight end in those first two days of the draft. Now, 627 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 4: crazier things have happened, and there is the fine line 628 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 4: of balancing best player available and position of need. And 629 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 4: sometimes even if you feel really good about a room, 630 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 4: there could be a player where you say this player 631 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 4: will make us better. Decisions will have to be made. 632 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 4: And that's kind of what makes draft weekend so exciting 633 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 4: is you really never know what's going to happen. 634 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: Well, I do know what's going to happen next and 635 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: that you got one more day of me. You're stuck 636 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: with me for one more day here in India, and 637 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: then you are free for the weekend. 638 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 4: I can't wait, not personally. 639 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: Wait a second timeout. I've walked right into that one. 640 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 3: That was not good. 641 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: All right, Danny, till tomorrow. 642 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 4: Till tomorrow, do it all over again. 643 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: On that note, we will put a lot on this 644 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by a Hyundai partner 645 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our 646 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: executive producer Jim I'm one Hunter, our associate producer Couddi 647 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: Venture for Danny Turek, I'm Craig rial Lou. We'll talk 648 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 1: to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.