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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: of great stories for you guys this week. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: that we don't cover all of the stories, and we

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Speaker 1: do an additional episode on YouTube live in the Gross

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Speaker 1: Room every week. We have an update today for you

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Speaker 1: on the escaped research monkeys, remember the ones that authority

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Speaker 1: said had herpes. A man who brings new meaning to

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Speaker 1: the word meat packer, a thirty year old guy who

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Speaker 1: faced multiple child rape charges and left behind some permanent evidence,

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Speaker 1: essentially confessing to the crime. And then we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the importance or unimportance of thumbs. And a

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Speaker 1: woman who medical supplies and discovered something very morbid when

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Speaker 1: she opened the box. Well, end the episode with your emails,

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Speaker 1: questions and comments. All that and more. Today, let's get

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Speaker 1: started with this monkey story. Okay, so last week, you

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Speaker 1: guys will remember we reported on a car accident involving

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Speaker 1: lab monkeys which resulted in several of them getting loose. So,

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Speaker 1: if you recall, the monkeys were thought to be infected

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Speaker 1: with herpes hepatitis tea in COVID, so when police later

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Speaker 1: encountered five of them, they were the word they use

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Speaker 1: was destroyed, so they killed them basically for no reason,

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Speaker 1: because they were later found out to not be infectious

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Speaker 1: at all. Anyway, part of the story is that three

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Speaker 1: of the monkeys were still on the loose, so one

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Speaker 1: of them ended up getting captured by authorities later, and

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Speaker 1: then over the weekend, one of them was seen in

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Speaker 1: the backyard of a home by a sixteen year old boy,

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Speaker 1: who then alerted his mother, who then in turn shot

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Speaker 1: the monkey because she was trying to protect her family.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of don't blame her, Honestly, I

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Speaker 1: don't blame her.

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Speaker 2: I just feel so hard for these monkeys.

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Speaker 1: I do too. And let me say this, if she's

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Speaker 1: a person that doesn't watch the news and keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on it as much as we do, or just

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Speaker 1: the only thing that she might have heard of this

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Speaker 1: story was that there were these agitated, highly aggressive monkeys

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Speaker 1: that are infected with herpes covid and hepatitis, which is

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Speaker 1: transmissible to humans. That might be the last she heard

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Speaker 1: of it. She might not hear that that was not

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Speaker 1: correct information and that they were just research monkeys, and

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Speaker 1: they weren't infectious, and they weren't agitated, annoyed and aggressive, right,

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Speaker 1: So of course she's going to do that to protect

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Speaker 1: her family because maybe her children are going and playing

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Speaker 1: in the yard. Even if she has older kids that

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Speaker 1: are just walking out to the car, they you would

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Speaker 1: be scared that this thing would attack them, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I really don't blame her.

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Speaker 2: No, totally, because even if they said they weren't aggressive.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the monkey is in an unusual situation and

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Speaker 2: if she were to go outside, it could feel threatened

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Speaker 2: and then attack a human. So I understand why she

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Speaker 2: did it. I just think this whole situation was such

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Speaker 2: a miss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I mean, I just think that people

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Speaker 1: would have handled it differently if the correct information was

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Speaker 1: given out from the beginning, because that story really went viral.

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Speaker 1: I was hearing people that don't even talk about medical

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Speaker 1: things talk about it because it's it's just kind of

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Speaker 1: funny to think of a monkey as having her pies,

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Speaker 1: you know, even though they definitely get it, it's just

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Speaker 1: it's kind of silly in a way. But yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is how it ends. And is she in trouble? Like

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Speaker 1: what's any charges against her for shooting this animal, or

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Speaker 1: is she in an area that she's legally allowed to

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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't see if she was getting charged or anything.

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Speaker 2: I think if this were happening to me, I don't

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Speaker 2: think I would immediate I'm going to shoot it. I'd

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Speaker 2: my home. But I don't know what goes on in

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Speaker 2: the way she took.

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Speaker 1: So like I don't, I don't know it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that would be my first thought to

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Speaker 2: my backyard. I definitely think i'd call some tip of

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Speaker 1: All right, I think we need to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: This meatpacker.

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Speaker 2: So a sixty seven year old man went to the

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Speaker 2: hospital complaining of pain and a feeling of fullness and

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Speaker 2: his rectum in inus areas, but didn't remember anything because

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Speaker 2: I think everybody that listens to this show knows where

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Speaker 2: the story is going, But what did they find?

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Speaker 1: So they asked him, like, is there any way that

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Speaker 1: then he finally was like, Okay, there may be something

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it got up there, and I

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Speaker 1: was at home drinking by myself. So they did a see.

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Speaker 1: So they did a rectal exam first, and they found

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Speaker 1: they felt something that was very hard in the anal opening,

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Speaker 1: and then they pushed their finger up further and found

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Speaker 1: that it was kind of squishy. So they did a

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Speaker 1: CT scan to see what was going on, and they

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Speaker 1: saw this large object filling up the rectum, not only

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Speaker 1: into the stigmoid colon, and it had what appeared to

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Speaker 1: be metal clips on both ends of it. Now, when

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Speaker 1: I say normally, if you would look at like, let's

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Speaker 1: say a CT scan of a person that poops regularly,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't see it all the way up into the

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Speaker 1: stigmoid colon and the left colon. If people are going

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Speaker 1: to the bathroom regularly, So there's a lot it's very

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Speaker 1: far up there. That's what I'm trying to get at

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Speaker 1: here so far that when this was measured it was

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Speaker 1: almost a foot long. Wow, so that I mean, think

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Speaker 1: about sticking a roller up your butt? How far up

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Speaker 1: your colon? It's going to go right. So, when they

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Speaker 1: ended up removing it, do you know what it was? Well?

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Speaker 2: I was confused at first because when you're reading this report,

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Speaker 2: it said that they determined it wasn't the sex sway

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Speaker 2: or anything like that, and then due to the fatty content,

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Speaker 2: they determined it was food.

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Speaker 1: So then the.

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Speaker 2: Guy's basically like, I did have a bat in saw

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Speaker 2: Is that how you say? A baton sausage lying around

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Speaker 2: my house? And I don't know what happened to it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was a frickin' sausage that was clipped off

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Speaker 1: at both ends with metal. It's a giant, huge, foot

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Speaker 1: long piece of sausage that he just totally didn't know

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Speaker 1: was up his butt. I mean, how much.

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Speaker 2: Are you drinking that you don't remember you stuck something

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Speaker 1: He members, I'm sure he remembers. It's just that, like

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Speaker 1: I always say this, I'm not a dude, so I

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Speaker 1: never even would pretend to say that I know what

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Speaker 1: that would feel like embarrassment wise, but I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: walking into an emergency room, you know, you sit down

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Speaker 1: and they say, what are you here for? Oh my

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Speaker 1: leg hurts, it's bleeding whatever, No, this is you have

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Speaker 1: to say this to the person the clerk, and then

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Speaker 1: you have to say it to the triage nurse, and

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Speaker 1: then you have to say it to a bunch of

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Speaker 1: other nurses and a bunch of doctors and get imaging,

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Speaker 1: and just like the whole thing must be super embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: So I guess he thought. I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: he thought, because ultimately they were going to figure it out.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, you've discussed this before too, right, Like you

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Speaker 2: can't go from zero to one hundred, So you can't

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Speaker 2: just go from never putting anything up there to something

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Speaker 2: that large, right, So clearly he was working his to it.

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Speaker 1: I mean like, technically you could, but it would be

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Speaker 1: super painful, it would cause tears, it would just not

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Speaker 1: It's not It's not a beginner sex toy, Okay, like

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Speaker 1: a twelve inch thick sausage is not his first rodeo.

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Speaker 1: Do you understand what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I thought at first when you were saying, there's like

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Speaker 2: the metal clips on the end. It was gonna be

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Speaker 2: like Pillsbury cookie dough.

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Speaker 1: So that's literally what that's literally what it is. It

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Speaker 1: reminds me of when you get the Pillsbury cookie dough,

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Speaker 1: like the the role that you cut off and just

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Speaker 1: put the cookies onto the sheet. That's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's got those metal clips on the end, and it's

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Speaker 1: this big thick plastic thing. Was it in the case,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I hope it was in some well, obviously

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Speaker 1: it had to be in some kind of casing for

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Speaker 1: them to get it out. I don't know if it

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Speaker 1: if it was just the sausage in casing.

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Speaker 2: No, because you know, the cookie dough is like wrapped

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Speaker 2: in plastic and there's the little metal clips like tying

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Speaker 2: it off at the end. So it was probably similar packaging.

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Speaker 1: Possibly, but they could just do that with casing too.

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Speaker 1: I suppose it's you know, like I'm thinking, it's it's

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Speaker 1: like like a Jimmy Dean sausage, you know those ones

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Speaker 1: like the little ones. Yeah, it's like it's it's like

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Speaker 1: a farmer one. It's not like a soft Italian sausage.

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Speaker 1: like a little bit thicker and harder meat. I would suppose.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to look up how you pronounce this sausage,

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Speaker 2: and it was just it could be a thousand different things.

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Speaker 2: There was like a French pronunciation. I guess this sausage

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Speaker 2: is popular in Louisiana, so they down there, they some

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Speaker 2: people speak friends. So it was like baton or baton

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Speaker 2: or I was like, is it like baton rouge?

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Speaker 1: I don't know how.

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Speaker 2: To pronounce it, but whatever it was, it was this

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Speaker 2: gigantic sausage. Do you not recommend? And if you're drinking

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Speaker 2: to the point that you're sticking something like that up

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Speaker 1: Need to go to it. I have no problem with

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Speaker 1: people doing this. I just think in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: it's it's just unacceptable to be doing something like that.

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Speaker 1: You could probably go on Amazon. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: check right now because then when my kids are in

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Speaker 1: my Amazon account, I don't want them to see that.

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Speaker 1: I already looked up sex toys. Remember that was not

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Speaker 1: sex toys. Sex dolls, like three thousand dollars sex dolls,

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Speaker 1: which I had to get out of my my views

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But you can probably if you decided that

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Speaker 1: you wanted to do that, you could probably get one

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Speaker 1: sent to you between five and ten pm tonight if

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Speaker 1: you really wanted to, Oh for sure. So just don't

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Speaker 1: use things like that. I mean, they have sex toys

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Speaker 1: that are exactly that girth and size that you could

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Speaker 1: use that that this won't happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think it boils back down to like

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Speaker 2: people being inbarrassed, Like you would be embarrassed that that's

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Speaker 2: in your purchase history on Amazon, right, but you're not

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Speaker 2: embarrassed that you stuck a foot long sausage.

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Speaker 1: Up your butthole. So, like, I don't really.

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Speaker 2: Understand what goes on in people's minds. And now that

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Speaker 2: it's Christmas time, like I was just at Target and

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Speaker 2: all those like little ceramic Christmas trees are coming out,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I see all these people on Instagram

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Speaker 2: and TikTok being like this is the season for er visits.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, every season is for er visits because people use

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Speaker 1: Were gonna have a couple stories that involve the importance

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Speaker 2: All right, So first, this guy's going viral online after

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Speaker 1: Well it it is cool because do you remember it?

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Speaker 1: So you could be born with something called thumb hypopleasia,

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Speaker 1: In that case, so look at your hand and you

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Speaker 2: Is it typical that he would be born without both

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Speaker 1: It commonly occurs on both hands.

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Speaker 2: Well, he had an unusual circumstance too. He was put

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Speaker 1: It's like insane, Well it would. It would catch you

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Speaker 2: It's just maybe is handshaking normal like everywhere? Or is

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Speaker 2: it an American thing. I don't know because he lives

438
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Speaker 2: in the Netherlands, so maybe that's not common practice over there.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but I understand his anxiety because it's

441
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Speaker 2: like people just can't be normal and like not just

442
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Speaker 2: like gaw get it or somebody like you would be

443
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Speaker 2: fascinated from a scientific perspect.

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Speaker 1: My god, if I saw him and met him, I

445
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Speaker 1: would be like, we need to put you in my book,

446
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: we need to take pictures like it's it's so it's

447
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Speaker 1: so rare. So it's it's just like cool. I think

448
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Speaker 1: it's cool.

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Speaker 2: It is cool, and I like that he's showing off

450
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Speaker 2: how he's like, I'm living a totally regular life, don't

451
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Speaker 2: worry about me, Like you know, that is cool. But

452
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Speaker 2: on the opposite end of what you're saying with the amputation.

453
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Speaker 2: So there's another case in India where this twenty year

454
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Speaker 2: old got in this terrible accident involving a bike and

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Speaker 2: a tractor, which required his left leg and thumb to

456
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Speaker 2: be amputated. So they're saying, in this rare move, the

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Speaker 2: doctors used a toe from the amputated leg and used

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Speaker 2: it to reconstruct the thumb on his left hand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, just because the thumb is such

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Speaker 1: an essential part of being human, right, So they do

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Speaker 1: try to do that, and they when he got to

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Speaker 1: the hospital, it sounds like he was on either a

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Speaker 1: bike or a motorcycle and got in some kind of

464
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Speaker 1: an accident. So he was the street and got pretty

465
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Speaker 1: banged up and they were not able to reattach his

466
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Speaker 1: thumb or and his leg was destroyed except for this

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Speaker 1: one toe that appeared to be viable, the second toe.

468
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Speaker 1: So they were like, you know what, we're going to

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Speaker 1: take that good toe and we're going to put it

470
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Speaker 1: where his thumb was, And they did the surgery, and

471
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Speaker 1: the follow up says that he has a fully functional

472
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Speaker 1: thumb that's really a toe right now. Wow, Yeah, it's

473
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Speaker 1: amazing they could do such. And it's cool to see

474
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Speaker 1: the difference too, because if that guy didn't have a thumb,

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Speaker 1: him adapting to like life would be very difficult for

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Speaker 1: him as a twenty some year old person. But this

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Speaker 1: other guy, for example, that we were talking about earlier,

478
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Speaker 1: he had it his entire life, so he was able

479
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Speaker 1: to adapt to it much easier. Because just think about

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Speaker 1: even when a baby with normal hands, like can't it

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Speaker 1: just starts to learn how to pick up cheerios and stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's like all of that. If you learn without the thumb,

483
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Speaker 1: then you never really knew how to function without it.

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Speaker 2: Well exactly because the first story we talked about, the

485
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Speaker 2: guy knew didn't know any different. He was even saying

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Speaker 2: that if at some point they could he could get thumbs,

487
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Speaker 2: he might keep them for a day or two to

488
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Speaker 2: see what it was like. But he's just so used

489
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Speaker 2: to not having them that it wouldn't make much of

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Speaker 2: a difference.

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Speaker 1: At this point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really cool, Okay. In Kentucky, a woman was

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Speaker 2: shocked when, just a few days before Halloween, a box

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Speaker 2: of real human body parts was delivered to her home.

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Speaker 1: So this woman was opening this box that she ordered

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Speaker 1: of medical supplies that she called urgent medical supplies. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I don't know, maybe it's diabetes syringes, or

498
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Speaker 1: it's uh like chalk pads or something. I don't even

499
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Speaker 1: know what it could possibly be. But she opens the

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Speaker 1: box and she finds human arms and fingers in the box,

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Speaker 1: like on ice, real human arms and fingers in a

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Speaker 1: box on ice.

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Speaker 2: See how would you respond to this, because immediately I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I probably pass outs.

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Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't pass out. I would still be I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would still be shocked. I would just never even

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Speaker 1: think that something like that would get to lipid to

508
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Speaker 1: somebody's house, So I would be completely shocked. I'd be like,

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Speaker 1: this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: But so the coroner did end up saying that these

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Speaker 2: parts were for surgical training. But is it common that

512
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Speaker 2: they just mail body parts like this?

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Speaker 1: Well, we were talking about this in the high profile

514
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Speaker 1: death to section we did on the embalmed head. There

515
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Speaker 1: was an embalmed head that was found in a wooded

516
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Speaker 1: area in Pennsylvania. They have no idea who it is

517
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Speaker 1: and where it came from, but we got to talking

518
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Speaker 1: a little bit about this underground kind of market of

519
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Speaker 1: body parts, especially being used in conventions for surgical training

520
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: and uh doing different kinds of experiments on medical equipment

521
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: and things like that. So it's possible, and they did

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Speaker 1: say it was they were meant for surgeons to practice on,

523
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: so it was it was probably something to do with this,

524
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Speaker 1: and it was courier to the wrong house apparently. I mean,

525
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Speaker 1: it's just a very unusual situation and they do, they

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Speaker 1: do get sent. I mean, all of the cadavers that

527
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Speaker 1: we get for anatomy lab aren't don't die and get

528
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Speaker 1: embombed within the university all the time, So they are

529
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Speaker 1: getting sent from somewhere. You just have to hope that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like a mail mix up kind of,

531
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Speaker 1: you know, just a male mix up.

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Speaker 2: And I keep hearing Gabe's voice in the back of

533
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Speaker 2: my head because you know, he's always yelling at us

534
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: for opening his mail, and I think people are going

535
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: to go after this lady and say, I don't know

536
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: if it was a dresser's line.

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00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: You know, opening someone's mail to a federal offense.

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00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so annoying about it, so.

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Speaker 1: He's not serious though he's like messing with us. It's

540
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Speaker 1: not like he's like legitmad about it.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, But I'm just like I could see

542
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: people going after this woman, being like the box probably

543
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: wasn't addressed to her, so why did she open it?

544
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry, but if any package dropped off at

545
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: my house, I assume it's for me, especially people like

546
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Speaker 2: us that are chronically ordering stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well now I just order I open his stuff like intentionally,

548
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: and if he's at work or something. I'll just take

549
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 1: a picture with it and send it to him and

550
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: be like, look what you got today, Just to be

551
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: a jerk, but yeah, I just want to know how

552
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: that went down, Like she opens this box and sees this,

553
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: and obviously to a person that's not in this field

554
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: or anything, that would be really disturbing, especially because she

555
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: doesn't know that people or she doesn't know what's going on.

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00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess she called nine one one. Is

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Speaker 1: that what happened? And obviously the coroner ended up showing

558
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Speaker 1: up because I guess the police called them and said like, hey,

559
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: we have these human remains here. You need to figure

560
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Speaker 1: out what's going on here, and they were able to.

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Speaker 1: I guess they were able to find the courier delivery

562
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Speaker 1: service and get it straightened out, so at least there

563
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Speaker 1: was a packing slip.

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Speaker 2: If I got a box to my house, so two

565
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: human arms and four fingers, I would assume the absolute

566
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Speaker 2: most dramatic, worst thing ever. I'd be like, a serial

567
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: killer is watching me and they sent me this package

568
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: to torture me. I would just go to the darkest

569
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Speaker 2: place of my mind, not like oh sorry, mail mix up.

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Speaker 1: And I don't since they were on ice. I don't

571
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Speaker 1: know how if they were fresh, because I mean, technically,

572
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Speaker 1: if a surgeon's practicing, it would be better for it

573
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Speaker 1: to be fresh and not embombed, because that would just

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Speaker 1: make it not like a realistic situation because when you're

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Speaker 1: doing a surgery, a person's not in bombed, so the

576
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Speaker 1: tissues are going to be different. So I'm assuming that

577
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Speaker 1: they were fresh on ice, which is actually really disturbing,

578
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, so gross? Yeah, and whose arms were they?

579
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: Like if you donated your family member for science or whatever,

580
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: don't you want to be like, oh, like, was it

581
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: my mom's arm and fingers that got shipped to this

582
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: person by accident? Like how's that going down?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. It's so disturbing. Okay, before we

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Speaker 2: get into your guys questions and comments, we want to

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Speaker 2: tell you we're doing a giveaway. So over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: I absolutely can't believe, and season three officially started yesterday,

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Speaker 2: there's a grand prize. Do you want to talk about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys can go out to dinner with Maria

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Speaker 1: and I, that will be the grand prize along with

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Speaker 1: I get.

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Speaker 2: the emails and questions. Now, this is from Lauren. I

632
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Speaker 2: was listening to your show talking about the woman that

633
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Speaker 2: faked a pregnancy with a reborn doll and had to

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Speaker 2: find out if you have seen or heard of this

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel. My daughter who is six. Stumbled upon this

636
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Speaker 2: YouTube channel the other night called The Dolls Aren't Real.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it, it's a grown woman who

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Speaker 2: is the quote mom to Reborn dolls that are toddler sized.

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Speaker 2: She acts out their day and talk for them and everything.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to watch to see if maybe the

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Speaker 2: woman may have some cognitive or developmental issues. It's just

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Speaker 2: so creepy and had to make my daughter turn it off. Also,

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Speaker 2: I understand where you like, something is.

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Speaker 1: No listen, I don't care if she doesn't have it

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Speaker 1: on paper she does. This is not you know. The

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Speaker 1: only thing I was thinking though, is like it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a gimmick and she's trying to make money on

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Speaker 1: social media or on YouTube. And if it's if that's

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Speaker 1: all it's about, and she turns it off, and it's

650
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Speaker 1: just like this ship is so stupid and like carries

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Speaker 1: on with her day, then that's totally fine with me.

652
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Speaker 1: But if it's real, she she's she's like definitely messed up.

653
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: You also have this grand conspiracy that allegedly Reborn the

654
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: company is paying these people to do outrageous things.

655
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: Oh they get attention. That's not even a conspiracy that's

656
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: that's like a hundred percent happening. I guarantee it, Like

657
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 1: you're you, you really like the advertisement that they get

658
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: is purely just because of the most outrageous shit. Have

659
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: you ever heard a story about it that's like actually

660
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: just calm and just normal. No, it's all weird. It's

661
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: just weird shit, like people breastfeeding them. What was the

662
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: last one that we did? This is our typical I know,

663
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: I can't even remember. We just talked about it within

664
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks about the reborn dolls. And oh,

665
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: the woman pretended to be pregnant.

666
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, sorry Kira Cousins, that lady that faked

667
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: the pregnancy yet bought they're reborn.

668
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: Though, yeah, Like it's just like there's never and and

669
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: it was a weird story too. It was just like

670
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: the fake strap on belly and this and that, and

671
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: she presented the baby to people for a while like

672
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: it was real, like just people were holding the baby.

673
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: It is so weird.

674
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: Anyway, Lauren wraps up with the question what exactly are

675
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: you looking for when they send you a shampoo bottle

676
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: or other foreign bodies? What do you document or analyze

677
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: appropriate with the sausage story from earlier.

678
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: So let's use this sausage as an example. We in

679
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: pathology we get everything that's removed from people, so we

680
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: just usually get a you know, we get there's a

681
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: piece of paper that comes along with every specimen that

682
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: has the person's name, datea birth, medical record number, and

683
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and there's areas where the doctor should

684
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: fill out exactly what is happening or what the specimen

685
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: is or anything like that. And oftentimes when we get those,

686
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: it's like a giant white specimen container with a medical

687
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: record number in the patient's name, date of birth on it,

688
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: and then the sheet we'll just say r FB, which

689
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: stands for a rect a foreign body. It doesn't say

690
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: anything else. We don't hear any of the story. So

691
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: all we have to do in our mind is we

692
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: would say, oh, this is a sixty seven year old male,

693
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: and then I'd take the lid off of the container

694
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: and there would be a giant hoop and blood covered

695
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: sausage in the container. Like that's the perspective of the

696
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: pathologist's assistant in the lab. So I would take it

697
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: out and we have to describe it as if we're

698
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: looking at a photograph of it, so the pathologists can

699
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: envision what was seen. And also this goes as part

700
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: as their medical record, so so it correlates with what

701
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: the er doctor saw, how they removed it, what they removed,

702
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: everything should correlate between all departments. So we would describe

703
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: it as first we would measure it. We would say

704
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: that it was like a cylindrical soft tube of what

705
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: you don't you're not supposed to say what it is

706
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 1: unless it really is, but you could say which labeled meat,

707
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: like if it had on the label says Jimmy Deane

708
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: sausage expiration date, we would put everything that was written

709
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: on the label on the outside, cut it open, see

710
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: what was inside consistent with grossly, consistent with ground beef, sausage,

711
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: ground sausage, whatever like. Yes, we describe it. There are

712
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: two metal clips on the end that are intact. The

713
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: cylindrical object is covered with an abundant amount of blood

714
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: and bloody fecal material something like that, and we would

715
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: say this is for gross examination only, which means we're

716
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: not taking any microscopic sections of it to see, you know,

717
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: what it looks like under the microscope, because it's just

718
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: not necessary in that case. But let's say, for example,

719
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 1: the emergency room doctor said, or on the CT scan

720
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Speaker 1: it showed that there were two metal clips on this sausage,

721
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: and then when they took it out and they sent

722
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: it to pathology, we got the sausage and there was

723
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: only one metal clip, and there was no documentation that

724
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: the metal clip was taken out by the emergency room doctor.

725
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: That means that there's a possibility that one of the

726
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: metal clips is still up inside of the patient's rectum.

727
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: So that's like, that's why these things become important, even

728
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: though it's it's kind of silly, but yeah, we I mean,

729
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: we get them all the time, and I'll never forget

730
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: about the time I went to one of my mentors,

731
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: who was a much older guy than me at the time,

732
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: in his seventies, and I got this giant dildo that

733
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: was covered in shit, right, and I'm like, you know,

734
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to describe what it is, but this thing,

735
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like a penis dil though it

736
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: looked like a penis, right, and it had a suction

737
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: cup on the end. And I just, you know, always

738
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: want to mess with the doctors and stuff. And I

739
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: called them in and I was like, how would I

740
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: describe this in my gross description? What do I call this?

741
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, it's a dildo, and I was like,

742
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: so can I I put that in like their official

743
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: medical record that I got this dildo right like, so

744
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: you could. You could. And that's the cool thing about

745
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: being a PA. You could get very there's a lot

746
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: of liberties and you could do your own kind of style. So,

747
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 1: you know, we always made fun of the residence because

748
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: they they a lot of the residents were just like

749
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: barely uh would describe things. So one of them would

750
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: just say like, oh, I got teeth and that was it,

751
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: and then other ones would be so descriptive, like I

752
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: have this bicuspit that has a slight fracture on the side,

753
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: and like, you know, all all the there's like a

754
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: range of descriptions. So some people might just say I

755
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: got this dildo covered in fecal material that's you know,

756
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: like twenty five centimeters long or whatever it is. And

757
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: other people will say it's a cylindrical, you know, rubbery

758
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: structure that resembles male genitally like it you know, it

759
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: just could go anyway. So it's pretty fun.

760
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: All right, This next one's from Angela, Hi, Nicole, and Maria.

761
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: I just wanted to let you know that after listening

762
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 2: to your episode about your cancer removal off your face,

763
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: after your explanation of what your spot looked like, I

764
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 2: had a concerning spot on my face, so I made

765
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: a dermatologist appointment. Turns out it was a pre cancerous

766
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: spot on my face. I got it early and it

767
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: was frozen off. Thank you for sharing your experience, because

768
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: you just saved me from having a much worse prognosis.

769
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: Everyone should definitely get a yearly full body assessment with

770
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: a dermatologist.

771
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: That's great to hear. I'm glad you did. I wish

772
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: I wish I did that and I was able to

773
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: get mine frozen or scraped off instead of like my

774
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: surgery was pretty deep for my fate right in front

775
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: of my face, you know. And it's something that I

776
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: have now, like this scar on my face all the

777
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: time and it all can't see it. I know that

778
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: you don't think that you could see it, but it

779
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: it's like it flawed my face. It's my skin is

780
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: feels very tingly and numb and weird there, and it's

781
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: definitely way more obvious without makeup on which I didn't

782
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: have to deal with before. So I mean, it hasn't

783
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: even been a year yet, and I really I had

784
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: a laser treatment to it once, but I haven't had

785
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: any like serious scar treatment to it, so there's a

786
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: possibility of it getting better. But I agree that if

787
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: you have anything that looks abnormal, you should try to

788
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: get it checked out immediately because the the you know,

789
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: once it's full blown cancer, then they have to be

790
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more aggressive with the treatment, and especially

791
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: on your face, you know that that could leave a scar.

792
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: So but thanks for sharing that with us.

793
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really happy that you were able to get

794
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 2: that sorted out.

795
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that a lot of people don't like

796
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: I didn't. I I know a little bit more than

797
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: the average person as far as what cancer looks like

798
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: and skin cancer, just because I've dealt with it so

799
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: much many times in the lab, but just in general,

800
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: that lesion that grew on my face was not normal

801
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: for my face, and that's what really made me go

802
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: get it checked out. Like you look at your face

803
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: in the mirror every day and you kind of know

804
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: that your pattern of zits and and bumps, you have.

805
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: You know, I know where I have beauty marks and

806
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I know bumps, like Maria has

807
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: a bump next to her nose that's been there her

808
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: whole life. That's but it's flesh tone, it's not it's

809
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: it's it's like an a melanonic mole, Like it doesn't

810
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: have any pigment in it. And that's normal for her though.

811
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: So like when you see something on your face that's

812
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: not normal, you should go get it checked out right

813
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: away because it could it could be something like that,

814
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: and it presents in all different kinds of ways.

815
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of people too, when they

816
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: see new things pop up, are very in denial about it.

817
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: So at least you know some people are taking your

818
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: experience seriously and being proactive about it because a lot

819
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: of people wait and then it becomes a much larger issue.

820
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that when I saw mine,

821
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: I thought it was as it At first. I tried

822
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: to pop it. It didn't pop as normal, and I

823
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it, and I just kept an

824
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: eye on it for a week and it didn't change.

825
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: And then I was like, let me try this again,

826
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: and it didn't. It didn't do anything. And then finally

827
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, this is something bad,

828
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: like it just knew it. Yeah, just because it's just

829
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: not anything like that I'm used to. So that and

830
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: that's not just your face, it's like any part of

831
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: your body. If you see something that's not always there,

832
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: just go get it checked. I mean you could be

833
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: maybe taking a half of a day off of work

834
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: and going out of your way for absolutely nothing. But

835
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: then if it's something, it's kind of like worth it,

836
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: you know.

837
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: All Right, last questions for me, and it might be

838
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: the most important one I've ever been asked, are you

839
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: team Dean, Jess or Logan? Which is a quick essential

840
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 2: question for any Gilmore Girls fan.

841
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have no idea. I know you tried

842
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: to get me into that show, but I just never

843
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: I never really watched it, Like, I don't know about it.

844
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: It's so good. I'm not against it.

845
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: I'm definitely not teen Dean because he's very abusive upon

846
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: rewatch everything I watch. He's the worst boyfriend ever. I

847
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: hate Logan because he's a rich, boiled Brett and him

848
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: and Rory end up having that affair in the reboot,

849
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: and I don't like that, and I do love Jess

850
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: because Bilo Ventimilia is a very fine specimen of an actor,

851
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: and he's nice to look at, and he was the

852
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: coolest of her boyfriends. He lived in Philly, he wrote zines,

853
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: he was kind of punk rock, and he could deal

854
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: with Rory's bullshit, and he was intellectually on the same

855
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 2: level as her, even though he had problematic things too.

856
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: But forever and always team Jess. So guys, don't forget

857
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: to enter our anniversary giveaway, and if you have comments

858
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: or questions for us, please submit them to stories at

859
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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,

861
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a

862
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

863
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed

864
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,000
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