WEBVTT - Put It on My Tab: Anna Delvey

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Zaren Yo Elizabeth Zavin Nothing Much. How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I got a question for you. Yeah, you got one

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<v Speaker 3>for me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>What's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Thank goodness because I have an answer for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was this guy named mister Huan from the

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<v Speaker 3>city of jiangshah and the Hunan province in China, and

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<v Speaker 3>he had a bad day. He got into an accident

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<v Speaker 3>right and then he was taken to the hospital. And

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<v Speaker 3>then the news went out and people saw that he

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<v Speaker 3>was in the hospital, and people who loved and cared

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<v Speaker 3>for him came rushing to be by his bedside. And

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<v Speaker 3>first his girlfriend showed up, and then his girlfriend showed up,

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<v Speaker 3>and then his girlfriend showed up, and then his girlfriend

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<v Speaker 3>showed up. Seventeen women showed up this man's girlfriend, seventeen seventeen,

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<v Speaker 3>and they all got to meet each other at his

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<v Speaker 3>hospital bedside. He's got like the tubes in his mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what he was doing seventeen And then

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<v Speaker 3>the women, they were a little upset because he turns

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<v Speaker 3>out that some of the girlfriends he'd been giving them

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<v Speaker 3>money every month. That's what the South China Morning Post reported.

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<v Speaker 3>They also reported that after the accident, some of the

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<v Speaker 3>women set up an online check group called Quote Revenge Alliance.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, you know, I don't know what they had

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<v Speaker 3>planned for mister Juan, but one of them, shoo Lee.

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<v Speaker 3>She said, I was really worried when I heard that

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<v Speaker 3>he was in the hospital. And then, you know, she'd

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<v Speaker 3>been dating him for eighteen months at this point. But

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<v Speaker 3>then when I started seeing more and more beautiful girls

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<v Speaker 3>show up, I couldn't cry anymore. So her tears on

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<v Speaker 3>her face, yeah, dried up. And then she turned to

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<v Speaker 3>raise Quiet Quiet Range. She's like, tell me more about

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<v Speaker 3>this revenge Alliance. Ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that is ridiculous. Do you want to know what

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<v Speaker 2>else is ridiculous? Oh my god, I'd love to Old

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<v Speaker 2>CON's being new again recycling This is Ridiculous Crime a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>You damn right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. We've talked about a particular con that's been

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<v Speaker 2>pulled innumerable times, pretending to be a rich person who's

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<v Speaker 2>just momentarily down on their luck, and about to come

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<v Speaker 2>into a huge.

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<v Speaker 3>Inheritance, totally very popular con that.

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<v Speaker 2>Story, like the refrain from that and Sexton poem Cinderella.

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<v Speaker 3>That story just like that, just like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this was in my head anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>I get it. I know how your head works.

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<v Speaker 2>Story. We've talked about having some sort of continental accent

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<v Speaker 2>and how it makes it easier to pull one over

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<v Speaker 2>on Americans totally, and we've talked about how some Americans

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<v Speaker 2>like to have some sense of adjacency to mysterious wealthy

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<v Speaker 2>Europeans could never yes, well, because we don't really know

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot about European history and nobility and wealth.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like this mysterious mist of intrigue in gold Leaf.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally you're like, oh, I'm the baroness of such and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're like, that's amazing. Some people are just

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<v Speaker 2>that's super appealing. And I think we've talked about how

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<v Speaker 2>some of the cons discussed here were far easier to

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<v Speaker 2>pull off in the analog era as opposed to now,

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<v Speaker 2>so like digital footprints, instant verification and just Google make

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<v Speaker 2>pulling the wool a lot harder, yes, exactly, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>not true for everyone. Sarin Elizabeth there are still superstars

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<v Speaker 2>of scanning, the demigods who can't be held back two

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<v Speaker 2>factor verification be damned. The Alzheimers, the ones who just

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<v Speaker 2>have that ja that allows them to get away with

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<v Speaker 2>incredible lives. Scene.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that. I don't know what right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of times when I'm reading about these

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<v Speaker 2>cons I try to imagine myself in that situation, pulling

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<v Speaker 2>it off.

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<v Speaker 3>It off, yeah, and I just can't not having it

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<v Speaker 3>being pulled off against you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't have that quality, Like, I don't enter

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<v Speaker 2>a room with that confidence and convincing manner. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>think so No, I know, so okay, I think you

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<v Speaker 2>could do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I do have a bit of overconfidence, but only because

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really care, Like I'm not worried about Like

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<v Speaker 3>I not that I'm like, oh I'm so fearless, but

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<v Speaker 3>I really I hear people say things I'm like, I've

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<v Speaker 3>never thought. Yeah, I am just like, oh, I question this,

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<v Speaker 3>I question that I imagine I'm seeing me this way.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, that's a dog work. I'm not doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty one flavors of worry.

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<v Speaker 3>Worry. Yeah, I just sorted not to be offensive. I

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<v Speaker 3>try not to hurt people's feelings. I'm at the other end.

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<v Speaker 2>But you have the you could convince people if you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to, and you're very confidence.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, I was right by con artists, so I do

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<v Speaker 3>know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh yeah, I have someone else for

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<v Speaker 2>you today who has that confidence, who has that convincing manner,

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<v Speaker 2>someone who should be in our con artist hall of fame?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh fame?

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<v Speaker 3>Who is Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Elizabeth. She pulled the kind of scams that

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<v Speaker 2>people were doing in the eighteen hundreds when documentation and

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<v Speaker 2>communication were limited. Today, she's also amazingly lazy at crafting

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<v Speaker 2>a backstory like I already love it so good. We

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<v Speaker 2>usually see oh yeah, we usually see con artists who

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<v Speaker 2>pull the old I'm coming into some money saying like

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<v Speaker 2>they referenced an exotic or obscure or like super wealthy

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<v Speaker 2>sounding relative who will be a benefactor.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they have a letter with a big seal.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, this girl just kept it breezy and Liz generalizations

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<v Speaker 2>like she's your own adventure when it came to her

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<v Speaker 2>origin story. So today I want to tell you about

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<v Speaker 2>a woman known as the Soho Grifter. So much sound

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<v Speaker 2>is grizzly. It does like it sounds like, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not. She was a society darling, kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>society darling that no one knew was a darling. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>the darling people didn't really know, but were willing to

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<v Speaker 2>spot some cash.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah Ron Darling's daughter, Anna Sorokan do not know that one.

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<v Speaker 2>She was born in Russia near Moscow in nineteen ninety one,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the year the Soviet Union formally collapsed. Totally

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<v Speaker 2>a time to be there, totally come on now, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>newborn baby, you're a baby. You're a tiny little baby born,

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<v Speaker 2>so tender and mild. So we hear accounts of what

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<v Speaker 2>it was like following the collapse in all like the

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<v Speaker 2>various former republics, black market trade, implosion of the currency struggle.

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<v Speaker 3>Unrest, all the factories being seized by the wealthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I'm not really particularly familiar with what day

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<v Speaker 2>to day like was in Russia. Then there's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they have the huge economic collapse subsequent rise of the

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<v Speaker 2>Russian oligar.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a lot of crime, but like for someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Anna's family, Anna's family, Anna, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>the day to day was like. But either way, they skidaddled,

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<v Speaker 2>they got out headed to Germany. In two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 2>when she was sixteen years old, her family moved to

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<v Speaker 2>this little town by Cologne, working class place. Her dad

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<v Speaker 2>got a gig as a truck driver, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>worked his way up to being an executive in the business,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he opened an HVAC business that specialized in

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<v Speaker 2>energy efficient products, which like there's always money in.

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<v Speaker 3>That Italian totally.

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<v Speaker 2>So Anna was a normal high school student, quiet, unassuming.

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<v Speaker 3>You weren't talking about her grades, you mean just in general,

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<v Speaker 3>in general.

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<v Speaker 2>Really having a tough time learning German, Okay, like it

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<v Speaker 2>was not coming easy to her. That would be me,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm not smart enough to learn German.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the only language. He's doing school.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like immersion. And she's like, it's lazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Russion at home.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. So she gets out of high school,

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<v Speaker 2>she makes a big move to London and enrolls in

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<v Speaker 2>Central Saint Martin's College. Their parents were footing the bill,

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<v Speaker 2>which like it wasn't a lavish lifestyle, like she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to paying off for the day h VAC was

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<v Speaker 2>paying off. But it wasn't luxury. It was just like

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Her rent taken care of you, focus on school.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she didn't last long in college. She dropped out.

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<v Speaker 2>She went back to Germany. She's like, I think I

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<v Speaker 2>got the hang of the language. She got an internship

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<v Speaker 2>at a PR firm in Berlin, all right, and from there,

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<v Speaker 2>that's around twenty thirteen or so, she moved to Paris

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<v Speaker 2>and she got an internship there at Purple quote a

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<v Speaker 2>European sceinister magazine. Oh no, not the mattress company, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, a European seinster magazine. Like just cover that

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<v Speaker 2>new job, new Anna, right, So she decided to rebrand

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<v Speaker 2>herself as Anna Delvy.

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<v Speaker 3>Delv Oh wait a minute, that just took me a second. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh yeah, so like I can so

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<v Speaker 2>see and feel this era of euro hipsterism fourteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff. So while she's at Purple, she connected with Olivierson

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<v Speaker 2>and Andrea Seravia. And Olivierson is not to be confused

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<v Speaker 2>with olivers On, the astrophysicist and data scientists.

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<v Speaker 3>Or stevens On the actor.

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<v Speaker 2>No, see the olivers On. That's the confusion that I

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<v Speaker 2>had when I went to look him up. I was

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<v Speaker 2>like she's chilling with this astrophysicist.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't make sense at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Olivier. Olivier and Andrea are euro hipsters and like social

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<v Speaker 2>big dogs in the middle New York to Paris to

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<v Speaker 2>London and backpipeline.

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<v Speaker 3>Pipeline.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea Seravia is the graffiti artist known as Monsieur Andre.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really and which you know does our hair and makeup?

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<v Speaker 3>Or John he's never talked about it or just Andre.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He's known for mister A. That's a tag that's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a stick figure with a top hat that he

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<v Speaker 2>painted across six continents. Sorry Antarctica, let me show you.

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<v Speaker 3>Is sounding familiar? The stick figure with the.

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<v Speaker 2>Are going to as soon as you see it, as

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<v Speaker 2>I find like, because I have problems with this laptop three.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, we'll put that up on Instagram. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you're curious and you don't do if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>on the Instagra, it's iconic. Yeah, just look up mister

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<v Speaker 2>A graffiti and it'll all come together now. So uh.

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<v Speaker 2>He his work has been in museums. It was in

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<v Speaker 2>that movie Exit through the Gift Shop. Really, he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>like that kind of graffiti.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's like mister brainwashed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he also owns restaurants. He owns a nightclub.

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<v Speaker 3>Called Le Baron, of course he does.

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<v Speaker 2>And he owns a hotel, Hotel Amore.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Hotel Love. Yeah, this guy is great. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>know they all sound better in French, but that's why

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<v Speaker 3>I'm translating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he I own Hotel Love like great. He designed

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of luxury goods for the likes of Louis Vutant,

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<v Speaker 2>Apple Chanels, Yeah, Tiffany, Nike, off White, Converse, and to.

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<v Speaker 3>Give you a cent and work with Supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know that's missing on there. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to give you a sense of who he really is.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty fifteen, he got busted for vandalizing a boulder

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<v Speaker 2>in Joshua Tree National Park here in California with his graffiti.

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<v Speaker 2>He posted photos of it all on Instagram, and like

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<v Speaker 2>the nature set was pissed, so the website Modern Hiker,

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<v Speaker 2>and like the legion of readers, they rose up and

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<v Speaker 2>worked with the National Park Service to track him down.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, like fill up your Nalgene bottles, tires up

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<v Speaker 2>on the subis in twenty like, we're out to catch

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<v Speaker 2>the defiler. So he was eventually convicted of it. But

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<v Speaker 2>before that he tried to sue the reporters out of

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<v Speaker 2>making a public I'm sorry, dude, it doesn't work though,

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, I'll sue you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Anna, she's hanging out with these types, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>through them, she was able to hang out with the

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<v Speaker 2>people that they were hanging out with. The whole cnbccen

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<v Speaker 2>sins is on. Oh completely. So she's flitting around the

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<v Speaker 2>European social scene becoming presence, and then she found herself

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<v Speaker 2>in New York. The Hampton's very wealthy people. She was there,

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I've heard. She was there ostensibly for fashion week,

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<v Speaker 2>but then she figured she just stayed because it.

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<v Speaker 3>Felt right New York. I guess New York.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope New York Hampton collection, which like hello, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like all the new dance.

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<v Speaker 3>Go all the best dance shoes, garden shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay. So she goes there, she's in the Hampton.

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<v Speaker 2>She loves it. Purple had offices in New York City, naturally,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was of course, and I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to stay in that job, it's doable, but she didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't. So there's this guy Tommy Sleet. He

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<v Speaker 2>was in that scene and he still has that like

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<v Speaker 2>jet setting install account to support it. Okay, he told

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<v Speaker 2>me this day, this day, you open it up. There

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<v Speaker 2>used to be that photo thing called we heart It.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you ever hear that. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be like soci media where you'd share photos,

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<v Speaker 2>but like you couldn't leave comments. It was very strange.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, I'll add that to my collection. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>is very like aesthetic mood board when when it became aesthetic,

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<v Speaker 2>became a descriptor of something rather than ann set anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So this dude, Tommy, he tells New York Magazines the

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<v Speaker 2>cut quote. She was at all the best parties, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the two hundred or so people you see everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>She introduced herself. She's a sweet girl, very polite. Then

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<v Speaker 2>we're just hanging out with my friends. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>so this becomes a theme, like the fabulous set see

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<v Speaker 2>her at all their fabulous events and gathering and pretty

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<v Speaker 2>soon she's just a fixture. She's like the lint on

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<v Speaker 2>the back of like some black knit trousers doing a

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<v Speaker 2>ride along. Its like you don't really realize she's there.

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<v Speaker 2>Then maybe you make an attempt to brush the lint

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<v Speaker 2>away with your hand when you see it out of

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<v Speaker 2>but you're busy doing other things.

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<v Speaker 3>You're rich and wealthy, Actually what do you care?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so she's everywhere someone hip and cool and rich

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<v Speaker 2>would be, and she looks and acts the part so

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<v Speaker 2>like that part was and she got the accent, Zaren,

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<v Speaker 2>What was her story?

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<v Speaker 3>Well was her story, Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for asking. Elizabeth. She told people she was

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<v Speaker 2>a German.

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<v Speaker 3>Heiress, a German, right, because you've got that fake now.

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<v Speaker 2>Her German was pretty bad though, like she still hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>never got a hold of the line, never never got

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<v Speaker 2>a grasp on it. So it's like I go around

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<v Speaker 2>telling people I'm a French heiress, they'd be like start

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<v Speaker 2>talking about like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm still practicing my English.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's keep it in that so anyway, who's to judge?

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<v Speaker 2>Is what I'm trying to say. Honestly, in that social

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<v Speaker 2>circle there are people with sort of mysterious backgrounds and

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<v Speaker 2>hazy sources of wealth.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely, or they don't want to talk about because they

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<v Speaker 3>are so wealthy, and that's what they act like. They're like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>if you knew, you'd take advantage of me.

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<v Speaker 2>A dear friend of mine was in that sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like trust fund, fabulously wealthy and hip global travelers world

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<v Speaker 2>for a little while. So I heard a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>stories and I witnessed some of it for myself and sister.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a weird world, Oh, I believe you.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like random quote Europeans all over it, always people

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<v Speaker 2>with vague titles, and the states and foreign lands. No

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<v Speaker 2>one is a day job.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, from here to do Bay. This is true.

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<v Speaker 2>It is weird and it is fascinating. So at this time,

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<v Speaker 2>like so we're talking like twenty fourteen to twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>she becomes a fixture in the New York social scene.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the super rich folks that she was hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out with was Michael Jufu Huang, a filthy rich socialite

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<v Speaker 2>art collector. That's a great day joby.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just about to say, how do you get

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<v Speaker 3>that day jobect art?

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<v Speaker 2>I collect art? So he noticed that it parties like

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<v Speaker 2>she knew pretty much everyone, but no one really knew her.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was more that like she knew who they were,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was odd enough, but there was more like

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<v Speaker 2>he noticed that she lived at a hotel, and she

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<v Speaker 2>never used credit cards. So like when she would take

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<v Speaker 2>people out to dinner, she'd treat she'd just like pull

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<v Speaker 2>out a giant water cash and peel off bills to

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<v Speaker 2>pay for.

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<v Speaker 3>Things like she just won the lottery.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like an old West Bank robber.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly, let me reach into my satchela cat.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, So one day Michael he mentioned to that he

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<v Speaker 2>was heading out to Venice, Italy for the twenty fifteen bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, I guess they go to Venice.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you know what the b in LA is like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a international cultural exhibition held every year in Venice. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there are two main components, right, so there's the art

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<v Speaker 2>b in LA and then there's the architecture b in

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<v Speaker 2>LA and they are held alternating. Right there you go,

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<v Speaker 2>b by Okay, So then there are four other parts.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the music, theater, the Venice Film Festival, the dance

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<v Speaker 2>and it's this cool and wealthy place to see and

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<v Speaker 2>be seen, Like you know you're going to pull up

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<v Speaker 2>in like those glossy teak boats, scarves moisturized.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly, I got you.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's where Michael was going, and that's where Anna

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to go, so I bet she did. She told

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<v Speaker 2>him like, oh, you know what I'm going too, but

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<v Speaker 2>I just need some help with logistics.

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<v Speaker 3>So she I'm studying her ways totally.

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<v Speaker 2>She talked him into hooking her up with hotel reservations

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<v Speaker 2>and flights to and from hooking up with lights to Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, oh, i'll get you back, no problem, I

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<v Speaker 2>just need you to put it together for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I've got my statuel and then yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd pull off the old bag of cash and he

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was fine. He's like whatever, that's just how

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<v Speaker 2>it works with these people, right, So you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>jet around and they stayed each other's grand estates villas.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just aid Lake Como, and they.

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<v Speaker 2>Take each other these lavish dinners or spas or nights

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<v Speaker 2>out and all like evens out over time, I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like and they know, Okay, you're good for it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll repay in cash or in kind at some point, like.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll see you at the next eyes wide shut party totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And some of some of the expenses that you and

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<v Speaker 2>I would gulp at are like basically chump changed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes that I have seen, Yes, I did see that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like I could buy a car with that.

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<v Speaker 3>You just signed it and didn't even look.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, and you're like, okay, well that's not a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal for you. So we get to Venice and

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<v Speaker 2>she was his shadow. She went to every event with him,

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<v Speaker 2>but she was never like, oh, come to this with me.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't seem to be invited to anything. And then

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<v Speaker 2>it became clear that like she just did yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have any invitations, and then she ghosted him. When

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<v Speaker 2>they got back radio silence for eighteen months more interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>and one day he gets an invitation to her birthday party.

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<v Speaker 2>Her birthday party, her birthday party.

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<v Speaker 3>She was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was at this like very chic and happening restaurant

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<v Speaker 2>on the Lower East Side, and of course it is.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets to the party, he looks around. He recognizes

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<v Speaker 2>tons of people from like the money world, venture capitalists, financiers,

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<v Speaker 2>real estate moguls, the art collector. These are his people, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So he's mingling and as he's talking to everyone, he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of puts together that no one there really knows her,

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<v Speaker 2>like they weren't friends. They had all been invited to

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<v Speaker 2>the shindig by her pr person, And so he left

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<v Speaker 2>the party. He's like, this is this is all this,

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<v Speaker 2>but Zerina got weirder, weirder. Let's take a break here.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, more hanky stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, hello, Hi, hello, I'm here for the weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm here to supply it. So a couple days

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<v Speaker 2>after Anna Delvey's birthday party, Michael Hwang got an Instagram DM.

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<v Speaker 2>It was someone from the restaurant trying to get in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with Anna because she had skipped out on her

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<v Speaker 2>bill the Succulent Chinese Meal us.

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<v Speaker 3>She'd forgotten her cast, and she had.

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<v Speaker 2>Given them a fake phone number and a fake credit

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<v Speaker 2>card number for the deposit. Oh yeah. So Michael's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't help you. I had nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the party with her. He later told Artnett that he

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<v Speaker 2>thought to himself, quote, oh, she's definitely not legitimate or

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<v Speaker 2>else she's having financial problems, but you know what, maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>A temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

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<v Speaker 2>Either way bad news. So seeing that she wasn't someone

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<v Speaker 2>to be relied upon, he reached out to her and

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<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, remember how I load you all that

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<v Speaker 2>money for the Venice trip. He paid me back and

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<v Speaker 2>she stalled, but she eventually paid him the payment came

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<v Speaker 2>from a venmo account in someone else's name, And as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as that Venmo hit, he blocked her, deleted her

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere he could. He was like done, washed his hands,

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<v Speaker 2>but others weren't. Others weren't done. And she seems totally

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<v Speaker 2>unbothered by this, Like there was a slight buzz where

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<v Speaker 2>people in that social set wondered about the source of

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<v Speaker 2>her funds, like was she the child of a Russian

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<v Speaker 2>oligarch who used to being German as a cover and

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<v Speaker 2>her money's like tied up in sanctioned Sure, did she

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<v Speaker 2>come from a German art collector family with money like

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<v Speaker 2>the type grown from ill gotten gains during the war,

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<v Speaker 2>No one knew, but they loved to speculated.

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<v Speaker 3>And so in the meantime, that's it's like a hobby

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<v Speaker 3>for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, And then there's Anna like swanning around with

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<v Speaker 2>gobs of cash, like skipping out on tabs, mooching off

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<v Speaker 2>people she convinced were friends.

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<v Speaker 3>But she has to know that there's this whisper campaign,

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<v Speaker 3>right or sense it, And she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just fla bothered, un bothered.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's well beyond anything. I could take care. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she so she goes beyond being just a fixture at

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<v Speaker 2>events and then starts to actually get to know these folks. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like she sunk her claws in successfully, and she had

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<v Speaker 2>to act the part like more than just being mysterious

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<v Speaker 2>and cash heavy, like now she had to have like

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<v Speaker 2>she had to be doing something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she had to like be like I'm doing Damien

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<v Speaker 3>her next exhibit or something funny. You should mention that really.

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<v Speaker 2>So she told people she wanted to open a quote

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<v Speaker 2>dynamic visual arts center dedicated to contemporary.

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<v Speaker 3>Arts, of course, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not just a gallery, it's a cause. She wanted it

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<v Speaker 2>to be called the Ammid Delvy Foundation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great place to money.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, except it wasn't really a foundation or a charity. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to be a member's only club like

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<v Speaker 2>Soho House. So it wasn't even like over pretend it's

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<v Speaker 2>a charity. It's just she's going to call a social

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<v Speaker 2>club the foundation. So they would have like restaurants and

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<v Speaker 2>art studios and gallery spaces. Zarin, there was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a juice bar.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, you gotta have a juice bar.

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<v Speaker 2>She also said that this like cool girl club that

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<v Speaker 2>she's starting would have pop up shops curated by famous

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<v Speaker 2>artists and exhibitions like you know, from people like Damien Hurst,

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<v Speaker 2>Tracy Emmon, Jeff Coons. Like basically, she looked at the

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<v Speaker 2>Sachi Gallery cab and was like round them up all

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<v Speaker 2>the yeah. Oh and Christo the artist who covers the

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<v Speaker 2>famous for stabbing things and enormous amounts of fabric. He

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<v Speaker 2>was going to wrap the building for the opening party,

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<v Speaker 2>the big stuff and a juice bar.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe he should wrap the juice box.

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<v Speaker 2>In order to get this rolling, she needed a wealthy

0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:02.160
<v Speaker 2>anchor for the project, so she cozy up to Gabriel Calatrava.

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know this, he came from a really rich

0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:10.120
<v Speaker 2>real estate fan probably, so from Gabriel she was able

0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.240
<v Speaker 2>to get to his brother and all of his connections

0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:14.520
<v Speaker 2>because he was like the real big real estate guy.

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 2>And then they all got to work crafting a business

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:22.240
<v Speaker 2>plan for this thing. Where would it be located? Church

0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Missions House in Grammercy Park naturally did how big would

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:26.640
<v Speaker 2>it be?

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:27.320
<v Speaker 3>How big would it?

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Belib whopping forty five thousand square feet?

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 3>That's big? Yeah, that sounds that's yeah.

0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.600
<v Speaker 2>That's like costco How much would this cost.

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Saren, how much Elizabeth would this cost?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Elizabeth somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty to

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 2>forty million dollars. Wow, Anna heard the number, just like shrugs.

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 2>She's like, easy, that's nothing, let's do this like she

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.120
<v Speaker 2>had the money, is what she was saying. So she's

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 2>like going around telling anyone who would listen that when

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:58.560
<v Speaker 2>she turned twenty five, which would happen soon, would she'd

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.480
<v Speaker 2>be coming into an obsely huge trust fund.

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.600
<v Speaker 3>Of course that story, that story a.

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Tale as old as crime. So pro tip. Never trust

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:09.920
<v Speaker 2>anyone who says they're about to come into a lot

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:10.359
<v Speaker 2>of money.

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.679
<v Speaker 3>No, unless somebody who's giving them the money tells you

0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:14.400
<v Speaker 3>that too, and then you can see their banks.

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Even so, if they are, that's their business. Of course,

0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I know you're like I AM's Erran. Things don't happen

0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:21.160
<v Speaker 2>until they happen.

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:23.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't believe in anything till yeah, So you can.

0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Talk all you want about something that's expected to go down,

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 2>but it's not real until it is final.

0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:28.640
<v Speaker 3>I believe in probabilities.

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So no, scammer. I will not loan you millions

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 2>of dollars while you wait for your supposed inherence to

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:37.160
<v Speaker 2>come through, and even when it does, I won't loan

0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:39.920
<v Speaker 2>you the money because I don't have that kind of money.

0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 2>That's how I stay out of trouble, buddy, being broke

0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 2>so so much.

0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:45.919
<v Speaker 3>I don't even have thirty to forty million pennies, so

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:46.639
<v Speaker 3>don't talk to me.

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:52.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like, much like the trust fund. There was also

0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 2>a lease on this place, naturally, and is telling everyone

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:59.280
<v Speaker 2>that the lease on the location was secured, Okay, that

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 2>the Cali Trava company taking care of it. She's like,

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:06.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, everything's all in line. You can guess whether

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 2>or not that's true. With the least supposedly secured, she

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 2>needed to get down to brass tacks. Who would be

0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 2>the chef for the fabulous restaurants they'd have there, Who

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 2>will supply the exotic ingredients and curate innovative recipes for

0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:23.439
<v Speaker 2>the juice bar? Yes, of course, who would close the

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:26.560
<v Speaker 2>funding gap? So she said, look, I got twenty five

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 2>million on it, but I need to match that in

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 2>order to make this a reaction.

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:32.400
<v Speaker 3>Nothing.

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>And the wealthy people she approached were like, good luck

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 2>with that. Wow, I love that for you, but that's

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 2>not part of my journey. Yeah, and so she's again undeterred.

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 2>That's like her perpetual states.

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.120
<v Speaker 3>So she's excuse me, I've got to go take a soundbacks.

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:50.439
<v Speaker 2>God. So she starts chasing down a business loan. She

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 2>told people that that would actually give her more control

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:53.479
<v Speaker 2>over the project.

0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 3>Business loan.

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that she'd get more respect. She you know what,

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't want private investors anyway.

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Totally, So she's going to go to a bank and

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:03.159
<v Speaker 3>ask them to back this business.

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. November twenty sixteen, that's what she did. She rolls

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 2>up into City National Bank and is like, I'm here

0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:14.679
<v Speaker 2>for twenty two million dollars love now? Oh yeah, she

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, she was. You can't just waltz in

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:18.680
<v Speaker 2>and ask for that kind of money by telling them

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 2>that you'll soon be wealthy, totally, like you already have

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 2>to have money. To get money in this life.

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Speaking bank, you have to have some proof of worth.

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Which she did. She had documents from a Swiss bank

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 2>showing her balance at sixty million euros.

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 3>She is impressive, that is sure.

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Why wasn't she just using that money? Well, because it

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist, because she photoshopped the paperwork and so that's all. Well,

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 2>and good, but City National wanted more.

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 3>Documentary photoshop paperwork, like don't just.

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Bring these printouts on a fuzzy you know, ink jet.

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 2>She's like, okay, I'll get on it. And then the

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 2>bank gets an email from this dude, Peter Hennicky, and

0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:58.360
<v Speaker 2>all of the documentation they asked for was in there,

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 2>and then they're like, who, who's Peter Henneke And she

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of danced around it and never provided an answer,

0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 2>and then, like a real rare display of common sense,

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 2>the bank denied her loan.

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Well, it is a bank.

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:14.679
<v Speaker 2>Undeterred, at the end of the year, she went to

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 2>a Fortress investment group and asked for a twenty five

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 2>to thirty five million dollar loan from them. Like that's

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 2>a ballpark figure there.

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's just throwing out, you know, is there not

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 3>a bank. I'm guessing they are more likely to be

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 3>a sucker to this.

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, she she gave them the same phony documents. Okay,

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 2>they said, cool. Right, First, she needed to pay us

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>one hundred grand so that we can check you out,

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 2>perform due diligence.

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 3>Give us some money so we believe you be worth money.

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.399
<v Speaker 2>All right, Anna, It's like cool, Yeah, So then she

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 2>turns around. She goes back to City National. She's like,

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:48.440
<v Speaker 2>do you remember how you wouldn't give me that giant loan? Well,

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 2>in totally unrelated news, can I have a one hundred

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars line of credit? And they're like, yeah, okay,

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 2>it's for business. They're like that's cool, Yeah, we can

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 2>do that. They said that. So then and she like

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 2>she nest the bankrupt there into letting her quote overdraft

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 2>her account. She said she was going to wire money

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.400
<v Speaker 2>to cover the overdraft, like soon.

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Really really soon, real soon.

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>So that's how she winds up with one hundred grand.

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 2>So she goes and she gives that to Fortress.

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 2>While all of this is going on, she's like working

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.119
<v Speaker 2>her newly developed contacts to grow her brand.

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 3>So I'm still hung up on she was given one

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand dollars as a credit line and said, can

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 3>I you know overdraft by account while I'm doing all

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 3>this And they're like yeah, cool, cool. We know ups

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 3>and downs of money. I once put in a check

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 3>into a bank that it was my own check, and

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:37.639
<v Speaker 3>I put it into the bank, deposited it, and then

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 3>took out money against that and they were going to

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 3>threaten to close down my account and report me to

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 3>fraud for prosecution. And here's home girl going, can we

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 3>just like forgive like one hundred grand just for a time?

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>What's they're?

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 4>Cool? Cool?

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah right, yeah, that's great.

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I love your accent.

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Wow, accents are powerful.

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 2>We really are. She buddies up to this woman Rachel

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Deloche Williams, who is it, a Vanity Fair photographer, and

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 2>they've been like traveling in the same circles for a bit.

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Rachel knew of Anna at first and was also super

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 2>impressed because Anna had forty thousand Instagram followers at social

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 2>currency I suppose. I mean I told Jim Broke, so

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Anna basically like friend bombed her, buddy wooed her, took

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>her to like pricey Nights Out, swept her up in

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>like the cash money lifestyle Fair photographer, yeah, and then

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 2>told her about her foundation project. And Anna was like,

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I stay at a really posh hotel instead of having

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.479
<v Speaker 2>like an apartment or a townhouse because I'm a German

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 2>national and I'm on a visa, so I can't set

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 2>up like a primary full time residence.

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was like, I don't that too.

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, she's just like they won't let me. So

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 2>February of twenty seventeen, Anna's living at eleven Howard, a

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 2>chic boutique luxury house.

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 3>Sounds like it, doesn't it sound like it.

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Howard Johnson, It's Elevin Howard, or as they describe themselves,

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 2>this is this is. I found the opening of their

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 2>website quote this innovative hotel where Danish minimalism meets New

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 2>York realism. And then I closed the website. So that's

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 2>all I have. I've seen enough bailiff remove this from

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 2>my courtroom. So she like swanned around the joint in

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 2>the bathrobe, acting like big imagine I act think the

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 2>whole thing was hers. Yeah, because she's just like a tiny,

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>little blonde She's like running around this bathrobe. The staff

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 2>at the hotel loved her because she's like peeling off

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 2>one hundred dollars bills for tips like it is nothing.

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't that's not like weird. In the world of

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>high rollers.

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 3>At high level hotels, a lot of them don't do.

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 2>That, Yeah, but a lot and she is just peeling

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 2>honeys like that is the whitest thing. Yeah, And So

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>one of those staffers was Nefatari Nef Davis. She's twenty

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 2>five years old. She was the hotel concierge. And that's

0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 2>a big gig, you know, like you have to have,

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I know, right Anne at the Howard Johnson.

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Because she's got to know everything is a college, so

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 3>much stuff like helicopter who to charm.

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so Anna loved Nefy and she'd always stopped

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 2>on her way in and out of the hotel and

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 2>always every time left one hundred dollars tip, like just

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 2>left her a crisp hunderd just for the chat.

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Ben Frank for your tongue.

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Nef said of Anna, quote she ran that place.

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 2>You know how Rihanna walks out with wine glasses. That

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 2>was Anna, and they let her saren you and I

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 2>are obsessed with Rihanna's leaving restaurants. She walks out at

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 2>the end of a meal with wine in hand, and

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>no one ever stops her because she's Rihanna.

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, Anna had the same attitude.

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you, this goes far.

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 2>It does.

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 3>So she's question you if you don't question you.

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, good call. And all I do is question myself.

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 3>I know you do so.

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Anna, she's like charming Nef, and she didn't just stop

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 2>to chat. She starts inviting her to like spa treatments

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 2>and that kind of thing. She basically was like buying

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 2>a buddy, but there was always an ulterior motive. So

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 2>she starts telling Nef about the foundation idea of the

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 2>social club. She needs help booking hard to get restaurant

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>reservations in order to have like impressive business lunches and

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 2>dinners attract investors, and Nef is like, I'll hold my

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 2>new friend. You know, Anna, you're just too interesting and

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 2>too strange. I'll do this. So she did have some

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>funny business shuffling between.

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 3>Do you think, by the way reading about her, that

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 3>she was funny in person? Like what do you think

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:33.720
<v Speaker 3>she had some level of child I.

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Think she was like brassy and like.

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Fascy would people wouldn't, yeah, and just like and like, okay,

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 3>I was just curious.

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 2>So she's still she's still working City National and Fortress

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.239
<v Speaker 2>against each other. She managed to get out of the

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Fortress thing, like while they were still in the due

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 2>diligence phase. Okay, yeah, so they refunded her fifty five

0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 2>thousand of that fee, of one hundred, and then she

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>shuffled down forty five.

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 3>This is what it costs, so they've already.

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Spent and then they shuffled that. She takes that that

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 2>fifty five thousand, puts it into a City Bank account

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>and use that to live large. Like, sorry, City National

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>in your line of credit. Oh, that's city banks money, right.

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so she's got a different bank and she's now

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 3>suddenly using a credit card.

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and so, but when you live like her, fifty

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>five thousand dollars.

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 3>Is in Gover, Oh, it's like a couple of months maybe.

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 2>So she had to go back to stiffing people on

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 2>tabs and like not paying for hotel rooms.

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 3>Like not being able to hear people she walks away.

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exactly what she would do. So she went

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>back and forth with eleven Howard, promising wire transfers and

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 2>stuff like stalling getting the boot from the hotel because

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 2>she was not paying and the hotel didn't want to

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>offend her, piss her off because like she knew everyone. Yeah,

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 2>she's about to open the hottest social club in the city.

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 2>One month though, the one month that she lived there,

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 2>she ran up a thirty thousand dollars Bill, Are you kidding? No,

0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm serious.

0:33:58.200 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 3>So he ran one month.

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hotel management they sent nef like look, twist her arm,

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 2>get her to pay, and she's just brushing off, Like

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't brushing her off.

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear that walks away okay, yeah, yeah, it

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>like starts gifting people's champagne, expensive bottles of champagne. Like

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 2>that's not going to make this go away. She finally

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:21.760
<v Speaker 2>did wire the hotel thirty grand from City Bank fifty

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 2>five thou Yeah, but she didn't give them a credit

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 2>card for the charges that she was continuing to rack up.

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh, she's still saying that she's still.

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Staying there, And so that the thing is is that

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 2>she'd already defeated eggs. She had depleted that City Bank account.

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Where did the thirty grand come? Yeah?

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Where did it come from? Elizabeth?

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you, Elizabeth. It was a classic move bad checks. Oh, yes,

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 2>she was tiding check and like she would transfer the

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 2>available funds before they bounced.

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:48.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 2>And so May twenty seventeen, oh Anna went to Omaha, Nebraska,

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Nebraska see Birchter Hathaway Amos having its annual investment conference.

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:00.439
<v Speaker 3>You went to Warren Buffett's like will meeting.

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 2>She would tell people, I gotta go see Warren Buffett.

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Warren Buffett did not know this.

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 3>I bet not. She trying to troll for.

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:09.760
<v Speaker 2>So she legitimately went there. She she took a thirty

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 2>five thousand dollars private jet flight there and back. And

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 2>it should come as no surprise that she did not

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 2>actually pay for this. More promises of wire transfers. I

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 2>feel like if I tried this, they wouldn't let the

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>jet get off the ground without the money in hand.

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 3>Of the time. Now some of us cannot do this.

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm surprised she's not pulling my daddy's a Russian oligarch

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 3>to put a little fear exactly.

0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:33.240
<v Speaker 2>So back in New York there were developments. Elevin Howard

0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 2>was like, we got to get paid.

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:35.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:39.359
<v Speaker 2>She hadn't checked out. Yeah, she hadn't checked out when

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 2>she went to Omaha, so she she's basically living there.

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Don't forget, she hadn't left in the credit card to

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 2>charge for the stay. So while she's away in Omaha,

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 2>they kick her out. They changed the key card to

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:53.320
<v Speaker 2>the room, they put all of her crap like design

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:56.840
<v Speaker 2>her clothes and all into storage and we'll release it

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 2>when you pay that decent. Yeah. So she gets back

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.320
<v Speaker 2>and lost it. She absolutely lost it. So instead of

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 2>the classic do you know who my dad is? Or

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 2>like my favorite, I'll sue you, sure, she went full

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 2>on like Russian FSB. Yes, she said she was gonna

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 2>buy web domains in all of the hotel manager's names

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 2>and blackmail them into buying them back from her.

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 3>That is a new level.

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 2>That's scary.

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna ruin your life and everyone you know,

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 3>your family, your neighbors.

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 2>She talked her way into getting her stuff back, and

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 2>then she was on her way. The threats were as

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 2>empty as her bank account. Let's stop here for a moment,

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 2>listen to some ads. Get centered, and when we come back,

0:36:39.000 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 2>more antics, more anatics.

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Zaren, I'm still tripping about the FSB threats. I thought

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:09.240
<v Speaker 3>about that the entire break, leaning on.

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 2>That I would have opened with that kind of stuff.

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:13.720
<v Speaker 3>I knew that the Russian oligarch fear would come in somehow,

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.399
<v Speaker 3>and you far exceeded what I meant.

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 2>It was more just like the technique of it. She

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 2>never really mentioned that, and apparently she learned that angle

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to say, I'm going to buy the domains and I'm

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 2>going to make it your life, hell with it from

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Martin Screlly.

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 3>Wait, the guy who's like did all of the like

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 3>he raised insolent prices, own someone who tang album and

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 3>in prison.

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Because they knew each other in social circles, he taught

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 2>her that anyway.

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 3>He wow, So it's one of his business moves. I imagine.

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so Nay soken just like absolutely scruples exactly.

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.399
<v Speaker 2>So she's booted out of her pash hotel gigs. Where

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:56.879
<v Speaker 2>do you go?

0:37:57.719 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 3>Where do you go back to Germany.

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>And get a real job?

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.799
<v Speaker 3>Back to Colo again? Am I? No?

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 2>She reached out to that Vanity Fair photographer Rachel all Right.

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 3>She's like, Rachel, I got a story for you.

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 2>You would have gone an adventure. And she's like, Rachel,

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 2>I have to reset my visa with a trip out

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 2>of the country, and you know how we should do that.

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Let's go to Morocco. What I know, pure luxury eye popping. Yeah.

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Rachel's like why not? And like, Noel, I can tell

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you exactly why not.

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 2>So Anna also invited her personal trainer.

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 3>She has a personal, another friend.

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Who happened to be a photographer, and then the concierge

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 2>from the hotel that just evicted her.

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 3>You cannot afford this, girl.

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Declined, smart she had seen behind the curtain, she knew

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 2>about Right now she has to. So Anna forwarded the

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:56.880
<v Speaker 2>hotel reservation confirmation email to Rachel, and it was for

0:38:57.320 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 2>La Mammuonia Resort.

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Says, there, what are.

0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 2>We talking about when we say luxury Moroccan accommodation.

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea. I'll just be flat out with you.

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, I do not know.

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 2>This seven thousand dollars a night a night, per night.

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I of course inspected their website. It's jaw dropping, and

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:20.280
<v Speaker 2>it like it's smelled good even through my laptop screen.

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 3>I've never lived in a place that my rent for

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 3>the month was that much, or not even half that much. Yeah.

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I'm saying, exactly. Wow, And that's per night,

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:33.319
<v Speaker 2>per night. Yeah. And so she also Anna's like, you know,

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 2>the thing is too okay. So that's we have the

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 2>reservations for the hotel locked in, but my credit card

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:40.760
<v Speaker 2>is acting up, and so can you put everyone's flights

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 2>on your card? And then I'll get you back asap,

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 2>Rachel against my future advice? Right now? Did it?

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 3>The vanity fair rider photography photographer? You know she ain't

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 3>got that.

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 2>No, the trip was amazing, Like the resort incredible. They

0:39:54.960 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 2>had a private butler, the tennis lessons, spa treatments. Yeah,

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>they were living it up.

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 3>What the Daisy Buchanan is going on.

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 2>After a couple of days of this like relaxation in pampering,

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 2>they decided they wanted to go into Marrakesh and explore

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and like shop it up. Oh yeah, Anna wanted to

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 2>look bad. She wanted a klftan.

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course, which like Home among Us, doesn't I'd

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 3>like to be lace.

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, at the kaftan store. Klftans are us. Her credit

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:23.800
<v Speaker 2>card were.

0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 3>At this point, but the kafftans where you're like, I

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:27.120
<v Speaker 3>could go for some cas.

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:29.319
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'll go with her. Yeah, I'll put

0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 2>the flight on my car if I get a kaftan

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 2>out of it. So card gets declined and she's like,

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, you guys, I forgot to tell the

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>bank that I'm traveling.

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 3>This has actually happened to me. That's alegic that yeah,

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 3>people could believe that.

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.880
<v Speaker 2>And I found though like back in that time, like

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.799
<v Speaker 2>mid twenty teens, that happened to me.

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No.

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Now, I went out of the country last year and

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I went to like call AMEX and tell them. They're like,

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>we don't care.

0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:56.240
<v Speaker 3>They don't do that anymore.

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 2>No, They're like, we'll figure it out.

0:40:57.719 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 3>You know that totally That exact same time that happened

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:01.320
<v Speaker 3>to me is well, I had to call Bank of

0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 3>America and be like, look, I'm out of America and

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:03.960
<v Speaker 3>I need money.

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no.

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 2>I tried to do patively and they were like congratulations.

0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:09.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess yeah, way to go girl.

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So they're like, we got eyes on you everywhere.

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.400
<v Speaker 2>So her card's not working. She's like, I'll pay you

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:20.240
<v Speaker 2>back immediately to Rachel if you can put this kaftan

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 2>on your card, okay, And she's like okay, fine, And

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.320
<v Speaker 2>then they go out to dinner and she's like, remember

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 2>my card, Rachel, one more time. Okay fine. So she

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 2>goes to pick up the tab for the fancy dinner

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:33.760
<v Speaker 2>and so, like they didn't like hit up a local

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 2>market and sit on their hotel beds eating snack foods

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 2>while watching Law and Order like I would chan on

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 2>dates and yeah, no, they went to like fancy dinners.

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 2>So the day after that they go to Explore again,

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 2>and this time the hotel stopped Anna on her way

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>out and they're like, you know, your credit card was declined,

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 2>and so then she's like, okay, we'll take care of it.

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 2>So then the day after that, the staff stops Rachel

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.760
<v Speaker 2>and they basically said, like, get your friend in line

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>and have her pay up. She goes back to the room,

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 2>she tells Anna. Anna's like, let me settle this. She

0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 2>goes to the front desk, comes back to the suite

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:13.839
<v Speaker 2>and it's like everything's cleared up. I took care of it. Zaren. Yes,

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 2>close your eye, I want you to picture it. You

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:28.560
<v Speaker 2>are the day manager at La Mamounia Resort. You have

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 2>a degree in hospitality and years of experience. You know

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 2>how to be discreet, You know how to keep guests happy.

0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:38.719
<v Speaker 2>You also run a tight ship. You've seen your share

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.720
<v Speaker 2>of grifters and scammers at luxury properties over the years.

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 2>You can sniff them out. You weren't in when this

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:48.879
<v Speaker 2>Anna Delby checked in. Had you been, your conradar would

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 2>have started pinging. Of course, you always have to give

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 2>guests the benefit of the doubt. You don't want to

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 2>accuse someone of being a criminal when they're just dinghy

0:42:56.680 --> 0:43:00.719
<v Speaker 2>or irresponsible. Word travels fast in the world these circles.

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Such an accusation can be a business killer if it's

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:07.360
<v Speaker 2>not substantiated. But now you've seen all you need to

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 2>see with this Anna Delvey. She's been running up charges

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 2>and running away from you, and you are done. This

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 2>ends now. You were told her group went on a

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 2>day excursion, and you're waiting in the porte cochere that

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 2>leads from the shaded driveway to the resort into a

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:26.919
<v Speaker 2>glossy marble lobby. The sun glints off your aviator sunglasses

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 2>as a cool breeze ruffles the fronds of the palms

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 2>framing the grand resort. On either side of you are

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 2>associate managers, one holding the paperwork for the bill, the

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 2>other holding a walkie talkie ready to summon resort security.

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Gentle music drifts out to the driveway from the luxe lobby.

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 2>It's air delicately scented with sandalwood and damas grows, A

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:52.719
<v Speaker 2>range drover pulls up, and Anna and her group steps out,

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:56.320
<v Speaker 2>faces turning up to the afternoon sun. You step forward,

0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Miss Delvy, you say, I do not mean to cause offense.

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 2>It is important that we address the financial aspect of

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 2>your stay here, but I wish to stress that I

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 2>do so in a spirit of respect and consideration. She

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 2>gives you a small grin and begins walking toward their villa,

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:16.280
<v Speaker 2>friends trailing behind like hapless ducklings following their mother into traffic.

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 2>You and your colleagues follow. Miss Delvy. You repeat, I

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 2>do not wish to be indelicate. May I respectfully bring

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:27.879
<v Speaker 2>to your attention that the account for your villa remains outstanding.

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 2>I would be most grateful if we could arrange settlement immediately,

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.840
<v Speaker 2>should you prefer, our account's department would be delighted to

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 2>coordinate discreetly with your office or personal assistant to ensure

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:42.799
<v Speaker 2>everything is managed smoothly. You're now standing in front of

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 2>the door to the villa, blocking their entrance. There's a

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:49.840
<v Speaker 2>tense silence. Anna turns to one of her friends, Rachel.

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 2>She says, can you put the charges on your card?

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm having a terrible time with my bank. They'll just

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 2>put a hold, the charges won't go through. I'll get

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 2>on the phone with my bank right now and arrange

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:03.320
<v Speaker 2>a wire. Does that satisfy you, Anna asks you, turning

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 2>to stare daggers at you. Certainly, miss you say, as

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 2>long as the wire is initiated today, I'll need confirmation.

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 2>As soon as it's placed, certainly, says Anna, echoing your tone,

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.800
<v Speaker 2>you go back to your office and wait and wait.

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 2>So saren she done? Did it? Rachel and the personal trainer,

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 2>They're like, we're out of here.

0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:29.240
<v Speaker 3>I thank goodness.

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 2>They head back to New York almost immediately. Anna and

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.319
<v Speaker 2>the other friend, the other photographer, they stayed at the

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 2>resort like, still soaking up the luxury. Rachel gets home

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 2>and checks her card statement. She'd been charged for everything

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 2>seventy thousand dollars. That's more than she made in a year.

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 3>So I'm assuming that it's like an amex if she

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 3>was able to run it up like that.

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:54.879
<v Speaker 3>Oh god God.

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 2>So Anna texts Rachel and is like, I'm gonna, you know,

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:01.799
<v Speaker 2>wire the to you immediately. But we've all heard that

0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 2>one before. Then Anna gets back to the States and

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:07.920
<v Speaker 2>just avoids Rachel. And other people that she'd asked to

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 2>front funds for are also they're starting to call in

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 2>their loans, like the pressure is building. Anna got a

0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:17.359
<v Speaker 2>room in a new hotel, The Beakman. Twenty days into

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 2>her stay, she still hadn't paid, so they gave her

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:21.759
<v Speaker 2>the boot. Then she goes to the w and she

0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:23.920
<v Speaker 2>only got like a night or so in there before

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 2>she's kicked out for non paid. Yeah, like it's more

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:30.080
<v Speaker 2>corporate where they're like, no, seriously, we will not give

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 2>you the key without a card. She starts like dining

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 2>and dashing at like high end, like the restaurant at

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 2>La Parker Meridian.

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:39.959
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I was just about to take a joke about

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 3>that one. Nice restaurants, I know.

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she jumped on her bill there. And Rachel, she's

0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:48.799
<v Speaker 2>still trying to chase down that seventy grand and like

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 2>she can't just write that one off like some art

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:55.080
<v Speaker 2>collector guy. So she starts investigating. She's snooping around into

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:59.359
<v Speaker 2>exactly who is Anna? How can I get my money back?

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 2>And the thing about the Parker Meridian they filed charges.

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 3>Good, I'm god, someone's like, let's bring in some authorities.

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so, Rachel, she's trying to chase down the seventy grand.

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:13.280
<v Speaker 2>She can't just write it off. She's investigating, She's snooping around.

0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:16.080
<v Speaker 2>She's a young journalist, she's a photographer.

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:17.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I'm talking.

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Like, who is Anna? How do I get my money back?

0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:23.840
<v Speaker 2>July thirty first, twenty seventeen, a story called quote wanna

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 2>be socialite busted for skipping out on pricey hotel bills

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:31.879
<v Speaker 2>was published in The New York Post. And now everyone knew.

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 3>Did she go as people she knew? Like other journalists

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 3>cause I think she's a Nandy fair photographer. Should make

0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:36.760
<v Speaker 3>this a story?

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah at this point, not yet. And so Anna, she's

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:42.400
<v Speaker 2>like trying to squash it. She's telling all the people

0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:44.239
<v Speaker 2>she knows, like, oh, it's false, you know, like a

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 2>New York Post.

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 3>He's got whiff of a good story in Ramby, Okay.

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:49.279
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm guessing they got you know, intel from

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 2>like the hotels, you know, the concierge.

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe not whispered.

0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So with the article out, Rachel is like, I'm

0:47:57.080 --> 0:48:00.880
<v Speaker 2>taking action. She goes to the cops to report. Cops

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:05.360
<v Speaker 2>don't care, I know New York City cops like the

0:48:05.360 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Strokes saying so they're like this is a civil matter,

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and like, you know, go to small claims. Seventy thousand

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 2>is way beyond the cash. Yeah, so Rachel Larny right, Yeah, Well,

0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Rachel and the others on the trip, they confronted Anna

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:24.520
<v Speaker 2>about her scams. Anna never broke like, She's like, I

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I did not call you. If anything, I'm the victim.

0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:33.800
<v Speaker 2>These banks, My god, what they're doing to us. Yes, exactly,

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:37.239
<v Speaker 2>So Rachel, she'd really had enough, so she reached out

0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:40.880
<v Speaker 2>to the New York County District Attorney's office. She's like, dudes,

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:44.240
<v Speaker 2>I want to report a con artist. And they're like, dude,

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 2>I hear you, and we already know about it. Because

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:52.240
<v Speaker 2>she they already had her in their sights, kiting checks everywhere,

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and and now she's on the move. She's headed out

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:58.360
<v Speaker 2>to California. So on the way out of town, she

0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:02.319
<v Speaker 2>hired criminal defense attorney to Hospodik she hired. Yeah. She

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 2>wanted him to make the hotel bill skip charges go

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:08.359
<v Speaker 2>away because they were all misdemeanors, and so she didn't

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 2>show up in court for those. She had her lawyer

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.319
<v Speaker 2>tell the judge that she was off to rehab in

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:16.319
<v Speaker 2>La oh No, and those charges were just the tip

0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>ofthy iceberg.

0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 3>Though.

0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:20.480
<v Speaker 2>So she's Rachel while this is going on, Rachel's out

0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:23.680
<v Speaker 2>there testifying to the grand jury about everything she knows,

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and as a result, Anna gets formally indicted and charged

0:49:27.200 --> 0:49:30.400
<v Speaker 2>with attempted grand larceny in the first degree Class C felony,

0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:33.360
<v Speaker 2>the two counts, three counts of grand larceny in a

0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:37.080
<v Speaker 2>second degree, and then a felony, one count of grand

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:40.040
<v Speaker 2>larceny in the third degree felony, one count of theft

0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 2>of services, which is a misdemeanor.

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.359
<v Speaker 3>As Heath led Joker once said, rack them up, rack

0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:45.239
<v Speaker 3>them up, rack them.

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Up, exactly. So Anna, she's still in California, but that

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:49.640
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter.

0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.040
<v Speaker 3>Did you look at passages in Malibu? Uh?

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she really was the arm of the law. She

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:59.640
<v Speaker 2>is long October third, twenty seventeen. She's at passage is Malibu.

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:05.439
<v Speaker 2>She gets arrested out in front famous rehab facility. It's

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:08.920
<v Speaker 2>so many people get busted there, like the arrest count

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.359
<v Speaker 2>in front, like on the Citizen app It's just one

0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:12.000
<v Speaker 2>after anout.

0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:13.719
<v Speaker 3>I once knew a guy who worked with as a

0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:16.440
<v Speaker 3>house painter who was very attractive. He was a male model.

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:19.359
<v Speaker 3>He had this older lady like maybe we were at

0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:21.040
<v Speaker 3>the time. He was like, she was like probably middle

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 3>age like maybe an early forties, late thirties or whatever.

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:26.520
<v Speaker 3>She like was like running for her husband and like

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:28.799
<v Speaker 3>promising him all this money was and she asked him

0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:31.960
<v Speaker 3>to bust her out of passages. She got arrested out in.

0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Front God bless you. Really, you don't. You're not anyone

0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:40.400
<v Speaker 2>until you're arrested in front of passages. So she's arrested

0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:44.480
<v Speaker 2>and gets sent back to New York where she's arraigned

0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:48.080
<v Speaker 2>and remanded without bail, remand your honor all that. Yeah,

0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 2>that story. So then the New York Post piece had

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.279
<v Speaker 2>kicked off like a media firestorm. I bet New York

0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Magazine was like, what's.

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Up, we got dating on this one. Yeah.

0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:01.360
<v Speaker 2>They published an in depth profile and jail house interview

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:05.040
<v Speaker 2>with her. The DA's office, meanwhile, was like, I'll give

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:08.080
<v Speaker 2>you a plea deal. You can serve three to nine years.

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.839
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh for everything you've done. She's like, no, big, Nope,

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:15.920
<v Speaker 2>looks like we got ourselves an old fashion trio. And

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:19.720
<v Speaker 2>so she went to court March twenty nineteen, press eating

0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:22.239
<v Speaker 2>it up. She turned up every day at the courthouse

0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:24.680
<v Speaker 2>in like crazy designer does.

0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:26.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure like the cuts running a coverage all.

0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, there was an Instagram account that detailed her

0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 2>like vicious looks, Annadelvey Court looks. That's the account, and

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:39.279
<v Speaker 2>I can gladly tell you that. On April twenty fifth,

0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:42.279
<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, she was found guilty of four counts of

0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:45.319
<v Speaker 2>theftis services, three counts of grand larceny, one count of

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.319
<v Speaker 2>attempted grand larceny, and then she got acquitted of one

0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:51.680
<v Speaker 2>count of grand larceny and one count of attempted grand larceny.

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:54.479
<v Speaker 2>She got four to twelve years in prison, which blew

0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 2>by the time proposed in the plea deal.

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, three to nine and she got four to twelve.

0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Rachel an article for Vanity Fair, which then led

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:06.320
<v Speaker 2>to a book called My Friend Anna, The True Story

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 2>of a Fake Heiress.

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that's an option for a movie.

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 2>By Lena Dunham. Oh no, less, but nothing's happened with

0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:14.800
<v Speaker 2>it for Rachel. I mean, someone's got to get a

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:15.239
<v Speaker 2>book dealer.

0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Rachel gets paid, and she got paid.

0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I want, That's what I want. Anna made parole in

0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:22.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, but then not too long after she

0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 2>got nabbed by Ice.

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding?

0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:28.880
<v Speaker 2>That was back when they wore uniforms and drove official vehicles.

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:30.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh at someone getting

0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:31.720
<v Speaker 3>busted by ICE.

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:38.520
<v Speaker 2>It was a different, something different. Wow, she'd overstayed her visa,

0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 2>so they sent her off to an ICE facility.

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:42.320
<v Speaker 3>She was one of the ICE's early victims.

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was somehow. At the same time, she managed

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:48.759
<v Speaker 2>to sell her story to Netflix for three hundred and

0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:49.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand dollars.

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:51.960
<v Speaker 3>So she got busted by ICE before it was cool.

0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's good for you. I know you like the pun.

0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. So that three hundred and twenty thousand that

0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:02.799
<v Speaker 2>got sucked up in immediately for restitution and lead. Yeah.

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Netflix released Inventing Anna, and it was produced by Shonda Rhymes.

0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Became a huge hit, and I was all set to

0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:14.680
<v Speaker 2>watch it, Like, I sat down on the sofa popcorn,

0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I cracked open a Coke zero. I was ready to

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:21.000
<v Speaker 2>go because I thought it was a documentary. But then

0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:23.680
<v Speaker 2>like it turns out it was a mini series based

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.840
<v Speaker 2>on a true story. I don't like watching those type

0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:29.640
<v Speaker 2>of things to prep to tell you stories because then

0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:30.840
<v Speaker 2>they're invented.

0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Details you don't know if it's actual.

0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, Saren. I'm a citizen journalist. Of course, Okay,

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I have standards, all right, Total. I also don't like

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:42.480
<v Speaker 2>watching videos if I can just read the information. So

0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the public loved the series, Rachel didn't. She sued Netflix

0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 2>for defamation.

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:48.200
<v Speaker 3>Why not?

0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:51.120
<v Speaker 2>I know? Anna? She got out of iced attention on

0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 2>house arrest, and she had to wear an ankle monitor

0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:59.080
<v Speaker 2>while awaiting possible deportation. She also was ordered to stay

0:53:59.120 --> 0:53:59.920
<v Speaker 2>off social media.

0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Total flight.

0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:03.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, She said that the social media band was worse

0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:06.120
<v Speaker 2>than the ankle monitor. It's an addiction.

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:07.760
<v Speaker 3>Peace, I really speak to our body times.

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Now. Gal's got to monetize these that's what you're saying.

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're getting away of her job.

0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>She started a podcast, the Anna Delvy Show, Are You

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Kidding Me? She also started filming a reality show because

0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:18.640
<v Speaker 2>of course.

0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Who would talk to her? I don't know who goes on.

0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:24.399
<v Speaker 2>It was called The Show Is Delvy's Dinner Club, where

0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:26.800
<v Speaker 2>she was going to have people over to her apartment

0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 2>for quote, intimate conversations about Anna's experience with the criminal

0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:35.960
<v Speaker 2>justice systems, probably her strategy to rebuild her image and

0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:39.799
<v Speaker 2>plans for the future. As of September twenty twenty five,

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:41.840
<v Speaker 2>it has not been released and there's no telling it

0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:46.880
<v Speaker 2>it ever, will be not satisfied with a podcast and

0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:51.040
<v Speaker 2>a potential reality show Old gal hit Network TV. No,

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:54.279
<v Speaker 2>she was on the thirty third season of Dancing with

0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.799
<v Speaker 2>the Stars. What I had no idea it had been

0:54:56.800 --> 0:54:57.399
<v Speaker 2>on that long.

0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:00.759
<v Speaker 3>Well, those aren't like normal seasons, like every time we

0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:02.040
<v Speaker 3>make it, so it's like a.

0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Year I've never seen it.

0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy. Remember, she I guess, I guess she has

0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 3>the names.

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Address, so like, I guess you can leave for work.

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:15.759
<v Speaker 2>She'd be dazzled the ankle monitor. She like, yeah, it

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:20.040
<v Speaker 2>had like the little sequence like the and she just

0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:23.279
<v Speaker 2>let her feet a fury loose. But she got eliminated

0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:27.400
<v Speaker 2>in the second episode. Here's my favorite part the Dancing

0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:30.440
<v Speaker 2>with the Star's co host Julianne Huff how you say?

0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I think she asked her, like, what what's your takeaway

0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:37.960
<v Speaker 2>from your experience on the show? And Anna just starts

0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:39.440
<v Speaker 2>cracking up and goes nothing.

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Wow. Kept her normal charm.

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:46.840
<v Speaker 2>So earlier this year, she was in designer Elena Veles's

0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:50.560
<v Speaker 2>New York Fashion Week runway show, still rocking the ankle monitor.

0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Earlier this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier, Yeah, because I'm guessing that degration stuff does not

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<v Speaker 2>apply equally to all, and I'll just leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm leaving at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and not too long ago, like last month. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>don't forget. She's a convicted felon. Okay, did she do

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<v Speaker 2>her time and she's parole, so.

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<v Speaker 3>She did her four years and then it's on parole

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<v Speaker 3>or no, she didn't even four years. She's on appeal

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<v Speaker 3>or no, not.

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<v Speaker 2>Even on appeal. She's just out on parole. And then

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<v Speaker 2>ICE picked her up because her visas expired. And apparently

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<v Speaker 2>if you're her, yeah whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, little blonde who wears a bathrobe and people go,

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<v Speaker 3>I love her, then your ICE problems are different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're not on your way to suitan Yeah, not

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<v Speaker 2>too long ago, like last month. She did an Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>photo shoot in Prospect Park in New York for Who.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it wound up being really controversial.

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<v Speaker 3>Who needed the name brand recognition of.

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<v Speaker 2>This in an Instagram photoshoot? Maybe I do those with

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<v Speaker 2>the dog. It was controversial because there were all these

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<v Speaker 2>rabbits in the shoot. Rabbits, yeah, and I guess like

0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the stylist for the shoot and got them from some

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<v Speaker 2>animal rescue. And then when the shoot was done. They

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<v Speaker 2>just released them all into the park.

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<v Speaker 3>Into the Central Park, the Prospect Park, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Anna just blamed everyone else. She's like, well, no, naturally.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw bunnies are fun.

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<v Speaker 2>That's ridiculous takeaway.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Like, you know, I've always enjoyed being me, But

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<v Speaker 3>the world would be like just like sideways if I

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<v Speaker 3>had the ability of these type of criminals, because like

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<v Speaker 3>I was a very unscrupulous teenager. Could you imagine if

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<v Speaker 3>I was born into the chaos of post Soviet Russia

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<v Speaker 3>and then also had like this physicality on my side

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<v Speaker 3>and then my attitude of being like I would have

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<v Speaker 3>to work on the shameless part that she's got there?

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't she lean into the I'm a victim of the

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<v Speaker 2>collapsing Soviet states.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think she read enough history. You know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>her family didn't really tell her enoughing Jermany. They didn't

0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:57.360
<v Speaker 3>want to bring it up anymore, you know, they were

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<v Speaker 3>looking forward.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's like she went there like a like sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>or twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know anyway, what's yours, Elizabeth? What's your ridiculous takeaway? Thanks?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in awe. I'm disgusted and in awe. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's I didn't have too much of a problem

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<v Speaker 2>with her until she went after Rachel.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, no, I really just like, you know, she's

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<v Speaker 3>trying to make it in this world.

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<v Speaker 2>Nef was wise, Nef didn't get stung, but like Rachel

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<v Speaker 2>is just you know, she's an artist basically in journalism

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<v Speaker 2>in the in New York and it's so expensive, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like gets this opportunity, like you know, but again,

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<v Speaker 2>if something's too good to be true, it is I

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<v Speaker 2>need to talk about. Golly Dave, oh my god, that.

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<v Speaker 3>I let get so.

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<v Speaker 5>I just finished listening to your latest podcast and I

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<v Speaker 5>couldn't get past Zarren's ridiculous thing. At first, I was reacting,

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<v Speaker 5>like Elizabeth, what a horrible thing to do to these people.

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<v Speaker 5>But then I was like, where did they get the pillowcases?

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<v Speaker 5>Where did they suddenly find pillows to dis robe? Who

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<v Speaker 5>thought of this? Pillowcases? Why people in pillowcases? Like maybe sacks,

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<v Speaker 5>but pillowcases. Thank you guys, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Much, thank you for saying, yes, my girl logistics see.

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<v Speaker 3>Little people in pillowcases is wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>From the opening of what movie was that?

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<v Speaker 3>The Pinocchio in New York?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like that's the thing Walt Disney had a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, how about twelve eleven?

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<v Speaker 2>She's what she's saying is so spot on. It's one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that Oh it's sore. Who went and got the pillowcases?

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<v Speaker 2>And from where did they source them?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly, gus were talking about throwing resputant in a river.

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<v Speaker 3>This just ain't right.

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<v Speaker 2>They go to a nearby hotel and raid the linens.

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<v Speaker 3>But possibly that is a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a good question. I love this. That's got

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