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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Yo Elizabeth Zavin Nothing Much. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I got a question for you. Yeah, you got one

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Speaker 3: for me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: What is it?

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Speaker 2: What's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Thank goodness because I have an answer for that.

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Speaker 2: Perfect.

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Speaker 3: So there was this guy named mister Huan from the

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Speaker 3: city of jiangshah and the Hunan province in China, and

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Speaker 3: he had a bad day. He got into an accident

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Speaker 3: right and then he was taken to the hospital. And

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Speaker 3: then the news went out and people saw that he

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Speaker 3: was in the hospital, and people who loved and cared

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Speaker 3: for him came rushing to be by his bedside. And

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Speaker 3: first his girlfriend showed up, and then his girlfriend showed up,

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Speaker 3: and then his girlfriend showed up, and then his girlfriend

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Speaker 3: showed up. Seventeen women showed up this man's girlfriend, seventeen seventeen,

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Speaker 3: and they all got to meet each other at his

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Speaker 3: hospital bedside. He's got like the tubes in his mouth.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what he was doing seventeen And then

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Speaker 3: the women, they were a little upset because he turns

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Speaker 3: out that some of the girlfriends he'd been giving them

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Speaker 3: money every month. That's what the South China Morning Post reported.

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Speaker 3: They also reported that after the accident, some of the

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Speaker 3: women set up an online check group called Quote Revenge Alliance.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, you know, I don't know what they had

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Speaker 3: planned for mister Juan, but one of them, shoo Lee.

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Speaker 3: She said, I was really worried when I heard that

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Speaker 3: he was in the hospital. And then, you know, she'd

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Speaker 3: been dating him for eighteen months at this point. But

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Speaker 3: then when I started seeing more and more beautiful girls

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Speaker 3: show up, I couldn't cry anymore. So her tears on

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Speaker 3: her face, yeah, dried up. And then she turned to

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Speaker 3: raise Quiet Quiet Range. She's like, tell me more about

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Speaker 3: this revenge Alliance. Ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Right, that is ridiculous. Do you want to know what

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Speaker 2: else is ridiculous? Oh my god, I'd love to Old

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Speaker 2: CON's being new again recycling This is Ridiculous Crime a

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Speaker 2: podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's

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Speaker 2: always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: You damn right.

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Speaker 2: That's right. We've talked about a particular con that's been

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Speaker 2: pulled innumerable times, pretending to be a rich person who's

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Speaker 2: just momentarily down on their luck, and about to come

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Speaker 2: into a huge.

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Speaker 3: Inheritance, totally very popular con that.

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Speaker 2: Story, like the refrain from that and Sexton poem Cinderella.

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Speaker 3: That story just like that, just like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, this was in my head anyway.

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Speaker 3: I get it. I know how your head works.

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Speaker 2: Story. We've talked about having some sort of continental accent

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Speaker 2: and how it makes it easier to pull one over

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Speaker 2: on Americans totally, and we've talked about how some Americans

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Speaker 2: like to have some sense of adjacency to mysterious wealthy

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Speaker 2: Europeans could never yes, well, because we don't really know

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Speaker 2: a whole lot about European history and nobility and wealth.

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Speaker 2: It's just like this mysterious mist of intrigue in gold Leaf.

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Speaker 3: Totally you're like, oh, I'm the baroness of such and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, that's amazing. Some people are just

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Speaker 2: that's super appealing. And I think we've talked about how

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Speaker 2: some of the cons discussed here were far easier to

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Speaker 2: pull off in the analog era as opposed to now,

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Speaker 2: so like digital footprints, instant verification and just Google make

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Speaker 2: pulling the wool a lot harder, yes, exactly, but that's

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Speaker 2: not true for everyone. Sarin Elizabeth there are still superstars

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Speaker 2: of scanning, the demigods who can't be held back two

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Speaker 2: factor verification be damned. The Alzheimers, the ones who just

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Speaker 2: have that ja that allows them to get away with

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Speaker 2: incredible lives. Scene.

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Speaker 3: I love that. I don't know what right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of times when I'm reading about these

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Speaker 2: cons I try to imagine myself in that situation, pulling

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Speaker 3: It off, yeah, and I just can't not having it

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Speaker 3: being pulled off against you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't have that quality, Like, I don't enter

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Speaker 2: a room with that confidence and convincing manner. You don't

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Speaker 2: think so No, I know, so okay, I think you

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I do have a bit of overconfidence, but only because

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Speaker 3: I don't really care, Like I'm not worried about Like

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Speaker 3: I not that I'm like, oh I'm so fearless, but

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Speaker 3: I really I hear people say things I'm like, I've

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Speaker 3: I question that I imagine I'm seeing me this way.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, that's a dog work. I'm not doing.

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Speaker 2: Thirty one flavors of worry.

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Speaker 3: Worry. Yeah, I just sorted not to be offensive. I

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Speaker 2: But you have the you could convince people if you

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Speaker 3: Also, I was right by con artists, so I do

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, I have someone else for

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Speaker 2: you today who has that confidence, who has that convincing manner,

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Speaker 2: someone who should be in our con artist hall of fame?

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Speaker 4: Oh fame?

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Speaker 3: Who is Elizabeth?

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Speaker 2: Thank you Elizabeth. She pulled the kind of scams that

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Speaker 2: people were doing in the eighteen hundreds when documentation and

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Speaker 2: communication were limited. Today, she's also amazingly lazy at crafting

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Speaker 2: a backstory like I already love it so good. We

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Speaker 2: usually see oh yeah, we usually see con artists who

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Speaker 2: pull the old I'm coming into some money saying like

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Speaker 3: Maybe they have a letter with a big seal.

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Speaker 2: Right, this girl just kept it breezy and Liz generalizations

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Speaker 2: like she's your own adventure when it came to her

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Speaker 2: origin story. So today I want to tell you about

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Speaker 2: a woman known as the Soho Grifter. So much sound

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Speaker 2: is grizzly. It does like it sounds like, yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: it's not. She was a society darling, kind of a

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Speaker 2: society darling that no one knew was a darling. Oh

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Speaker 2: the darling people didn't really know, but were willing to

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Speaker 3: Ah Ron Darling's daughter, Anna Sorokan do not know that one.

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Speaker 2: She was born in Russia near Moscow in nineteen ninety one,

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Speaker 2: So that's the year the Soviet Union formally collapsed. Totally

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Speaker 2: a time to be there, totally come on now, yeah,

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Speaker 2: newborn baby, you're a baby. You're a tiny little baby born,

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Speaker 3: Unrest, all the factories being seized by the wealthy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not really particularly familiar with what day

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of crime, but like for someone.

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Speaker 2: Like Anna's family, Anna's family, Anna, I don't know what

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Speaker 2: the day to day was like. But either way, they skidaddled,

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Speaker 2: they got out headed to Germany. In two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 2: when she was sixteen years old, her family moved to

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Speaker 2: this little town by Cologne, working class place. Her dad

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Speaker 3: That Italian totally.

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Speaker 2: So Anna was a normal high school student, quiet, unassuming.

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Speaker 3: You weren't talking about her grades, you mean just in general,

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Speaker 2: Really having a tough time learning German, Okay, like it

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Speaker 3: It's the only language. He's doing school.

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Speaker 2: I love it. So she gets out of high school,

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Speaker 3: Her rent taken care of you, focus on school.

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Speaker 2: Well, she didn't last long in college. She dropped out.

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Speaker 2: She went back to Germany. She's like, I think I

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Speaker 2: that's around twenty thirteen or so, she moved to Paris

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Speaker 2: and she got an internship there at Purple quote a

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, so like I can so

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Speaker 2: Stuff. So while she's at Purple, she connected with Olivierson

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Speaker 2: No, see the olivers On. That's the confusion that I

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Speaker 3: Doesn't make sense at all.

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Speaker 2: Olivier. Olivier and Andrea are euro hipsters and like social

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Andrea Seravia is the graffiti artist known as Monsieur Andre.

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Speaker 2: Oh really and which you know does our hair and makeup?

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Speaker 3: Or John he's never talked about it or just Andre.

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Speaker 2: He's known for mister A. That's a tag that's sort

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Speaker 2: of a stick figure with a top hat that he

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Speaker 2: painted across six continents. Sorry Antarctica, let me show you.

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Speaker 3: Is sounding familiar? The stick figure with the.

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Speaker 2: I find like, because I have problems with this laptop three.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we'll put that up on Instagram. But

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Speaker 2: if you're curious and you don't do if you're not

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Speaker 2: on the Instagra, it's iconic. Yeah, just look up mister

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Speaker 2: A graffiti and it'll all come together now. So uh.

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Speaker 2: He his work has been in museums. It was in

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Speaker 2: that movie Exit through the Gift Shop. Really, he's he's

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Speaker 2: like that kind of graffiti.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like mister brainwashed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he also owns restaurants. He owns a nightclub.

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Speaker 3: Called Le Baron, of course he does.

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Speaker 2: And he owns a hotel, Hotel Amore.

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Speaker 3: Of Hotel Love. Yeah, this guy is great. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: know they all sound better in French, but that's why

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Speaker 3: I'm translating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he I own Hotel Love like great. He designed

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Speaker 2: a lot of luxury goods for the likes of Louis Vutant,

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Speaker 2: Apple Chanels, Yeah, Tiffany, Nike, off White, Converse, and to.

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Speaker 3: Give you a cent and work with Supreme.

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Speaker 2: She talked him into hooking her up with hotel reservations

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Speaker 3: And so in the meantime, that's it's like a hobby

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Speaker 3: But she has to know that there's this whisper campaign,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she had to like be like I'm doing Damien

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Speaker 2: dynamic visual arts center dedicated to contemporary.

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00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: Arts, of course, and it's.

438
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: Not just a gallery, it's a cause. She wanted it

439
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 2: to be called the Ammid Delvy Foundation.

440
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 3: It's a great place to money.

441
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 2: Well, except it wasn't really a foundation or a charity. No,

442
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: it was going to be a member's only club like

443
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 2: Soho House. So it wasn't even like over pretend it's

444
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: a charity. It's just she's going to call a social

445
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: club the foundation. So they would have like restaurants and

446
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 2: art studios and gallery spaces. Zarin, there was going to

447
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: be a juice bar.

448
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 3: Of course, you gotta have a juice bar.

449
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: She also said that this like cool girl club that

450
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 2: she's starting would have pop up shops curated by famous

451
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 2: artists and exhibitions like you know, from people like Damien Hurst,

452
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: Tracy Emmon, Jeff Coons. Like basically, she looked at the

453
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: Sachi Gallery cab and was like round them up all

454
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: the yeah. Oh and Christo the artist who covers the

455
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 2: famous for stabbing things and enormous amounts of fabric. He

456
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: was going to wrap the building for the opening party,

457
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: the big stuff and a juice bar.

458
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: Maybe he should wrap the juice box.

459
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: In order to get this rolling, she needed a wealthy

460
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: anchor for the project, so she cozy up to Gabriel Calatrava.

461
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: I don't know this, he came from a really rich

462
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 2: real estate fan probably, so from Gabriel she was able

463
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: to get to his brother and all of his connections

464
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: because he was like the real big real estate guy.

465
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: And then they all got to work crafting a business

466
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: plan for this thing. Where would it be located? Church

467
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: Missions House in Grammercy Park naturally did how big would

468
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 2: it be?

469
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: How big would it?

470
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: Belib whopping forty five thousand square feet?

471
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: That's big? Yeah, that sounds that's yeah.

472
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: That's like costco How much would this cost.

473
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 3: Saren, how much Elizabeth would this cost?

474
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 2: Thank you Elizabeth somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty to

475
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: forty million dollars. Wow, Anna heard the number, just like shrugs.

476
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: She's like, easy, that's nothing, let's do this like she

477
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 2: had the money, is what she was saying. So she's

478
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: like going around telling anyone who would listen that when

479
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: she turned twenty five, which would happen soon, would she'd

480
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: be coming into an obsely huge trust fund.

481
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: Of course that story, that story a.

482
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: Tale as old as crime. So pro tip. Never trust

483
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: anyone who says they're about to come into a lot

484
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: of money.

485
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 3: No, unless somebody who's giving them the money tells you

486
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 3: that too, and then you can see their banks.

487
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 2: Even so, if they are, that's their business. Of course,

488
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: I know you're like I AM's Erran. Things don't happen

489
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: until they happen.

490
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: I don't believe in anything till yeah, So you can.

491
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: Talk all you want about something that's expected to go down,

492
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: but it's not real until it is final.

493
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 3: I believe in probabilities.

494
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: Yes, So no, scammer. I will not loan you millions

495
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: of dollars while you wait for your supposed inherence to

496
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: come through, and even when it does, I won't loan

497
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: you the money because I don't have that kind of money.

498
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: That's how I stay out of trouble, buddy, being broke

499
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: so so much.

500
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 3: I don't even have thirty to forty million pennies, so

501
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 3: don't talk to me.

502
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: It's like, much like the trust fund. There was also

503
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: a lease on this place, naturally, and is telling everyone

504
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: that the lease on the location was secured, Okay, that

505
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: the Cali Trava company taking care of it. She's like,

506
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 2: you know, everything's all in line. You can guess whether

507
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: or not that's true. With the least supposedly secured, she

508
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: needed to get down to brass tacks. Who would be

509
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: the chef for the fabulous restaurants they'd have there, Who

510
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: will supply the exotic ingredients and curate innovative recipes for

511
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 2: the juice bar? Yes, of course, who would close the

512
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: funding gap? So she said, look, I got twenty five

513
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: million on it, but I need to match that in

514
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: order to make this a reaction.

515
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 3: Nothing.

516
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: And the wealthy people she approached were like, good luck

517
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: with that. Wow, I love that for you, but that's

518
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: not part of my journey. Yeah, and so she's again undeterred.

519
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: That's like her perpetual states.

520
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 3: So she's excuse me, I've got to go take a soundbacks.

521
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 2: God. So she starts chasing down a business loan. She

522
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: told people that that would actually give her more control

523
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 2: over the project.

524
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: Business loan.

525
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that she'd get more respect. She you know what,

526
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 2: I don't want private investors anyway.

527
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: Totally, So she's going to go to a bank and

528
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 3: ask them to back this business.

529
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. November twenty sixteen, that's what she did. She rolls

530
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: up into City National Bank and is like, I'm here

531
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: for twenty two million dollars love now? Oh yeah, she

532
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, she was. You can't just waltz in

533
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: and ask for that kind of money by telling them

534
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: that you'll soon be wealthy, totally, like you already have

535
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: to have money. To get money in this life.

536
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: Speaking bank, you have to have some proof of worth.

537
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 2: Which she did. She had documents from a Swiss bank

538
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: showing her balance at sixty million euros.

539
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: She is impressive, that is sure.

540
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: Why wasn't she just using that money? Well, because it

541
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: doesn't exist, because she photoshopped the paperwork and so that's all. Well,

542
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: and good, but City National wanted more.

543
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: Documentary photoshop paperwork, like don't just.

544
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: Bring these printouts on a fuzzy you know, ink jet.

545
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: She's like, okay, I'll get on it. And then the

546
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: bank gets an email from this dude, Peter Hennicky, and

547
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: all of the documentation they asked for was in there,

548
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: and then they're like, who, who's Peter Henneke And she

549
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: kind of danced around it and never provided an answer,

550
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: and then, like a real rare display of common sense,

551
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: the bank denied her loan.

552
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 3: Well, it is a bank.

553
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: Undeterred, at the end of the year, she went to

554
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: a Fortress investment group and asked for a twenty five

555
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: to thirty five million dollar loan from them. Like that's

556
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: a ballpark figure there.

557
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's just throwing out, you know, is there not

558
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: a bank. I'm guessing they are more likely to be

559
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: a sucker to this.

560
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: Well, she she gave them the same phony documents. Okay,

561
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: they said, cool. Right, First, she needed to pay us

562
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: one hundred grand so that we can check you out,

563
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: perform due diligence.

564
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: Give us some money so we believe you be worth money.

565
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: All right, Anna, It's like cool, Yeah, So then she

566
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: turns around. She goes back to City National. She's like,

567
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: do you remember how you wouldn't give me that giant loan? Well,

568
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: in totally unrelated news, can I have a one hundred

569
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: thousand dollars line of credit? And they're like, yeah, okay,

570
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: it's for business. They're like that's cool, Yeah, we can

571
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: do that. They said that. So then and she like

572
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: she nest the bankrupt there into letting her quote overdraft

573
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: her account. She said she was going to wire money

574
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: to cover the overdraft, like soon.

575
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: Really really soon, real soon.

576
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: So that's how she winds up with one hundred grand.

577
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: So she goes and she gives that to Fortress.

578
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

579
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: While all of this is going on, she's like working

580
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: her newly developed contacts to grow her brand.

581
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: So I'm still hung up on she was given one

582
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars as a credit line and said, can

583
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: I you know overdraft by account while I'm doing all

584
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: this And they're like yeah, cool, cool. We know ups

585
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: and downs of money. I once put in a check

586
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: into a bank that it was my own check, and

587
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: I put it into the bank, deposited it, and then

588
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: took out money against that and they were going to

589
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: threaten to close down my account and report me to

590
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: fraud for prosecution. And here's home girl going, can we

591
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: just like forgive like one hundred grand just for a time?

592
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: What's they're?

593
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: Right?

594
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 4: Cool? Cool?

595
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah right, yeah, that's great.

596
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: I love your accent.

597
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: Wow, accents are powerful.

598
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: We really are. She buddies up to this woman Rachel

599
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: Deloche Williams, who is it, a Vanity Fair photographer, and

600
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: they've been like traveling in the same circles for a bit.

601
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: Rachel knew of Anna at first and was also super

602
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: impressed because Anna had forty thousand Instagram followers at social

603
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: currency I suppose. I mean I told Jim Broke, so

604
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: Anna basically like friend bombed her, buddy wooed her, took

605
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: her to like pricey Nights Out, swept her up in

606
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: like the cash money lifestyle Fair photographer, yeah, and then

607
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: told her about her foundation project. And Anna was like,

608
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: I stay at a really posh hotel instead of having

609
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 2: like an apartment or a townhouse because I'm a German

610
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: national and I'm on a visa, so I can't set

611
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: up like a primary full time residence.

612
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: I thought it was like, I don't that too.

613
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, she's just like they won't let me. So

614
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: February of twenty seventeen, Anna's living at eleven Howard, a

615
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: chic boutique luxury house.

616
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: Sounds like it, doesn't it sound like it.

617
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: Howard Johnson, It's Elevin Howard, or as they describe themselves,

618
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: this is this is. I found the opening of their

619
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: website quote this innovative hotel where Danish minimalism meets New

620
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: York realism. And then I closed the website. So that's

621
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: all I have. I've seen enough bailiff remove this from

622
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: my courtroom. So she like swanned around the joint in

623
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: the bathrobe, acting like big imagine I act think the

624
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: whole thing was hers. Yeah, because she's just like a tiny,

625
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: little blonde She's like running around this bathrobe. The staff

626
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: at the hotel loved her because she's like peeling off

627
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars bills for tips like it is nothing.

628
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't that's not like weird. In the world of

629
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: high rollers.

630
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: At high level hotels, a lot of them don't do.

631
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, but a lot and she is just peeling

632
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: honeys like that is the whitest thing. Yeah, And So

633
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: one of those staffers was Nefatari Nef Davis. She's twenty

634
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: five years old. She was the hotel concierge. And that's

635
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: a big gig, you know, like you have to have,

636
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: I know, right Anne at the Howard Johnson.

637
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: Because she's got to know everything is a college, so

638
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: much stuff like helicopter who to charm.

639
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so Anna loved Nefy and she'd always stopped

640
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: on her way in and out of the hotel and

641
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: always every time left one hundred dollars tip, like just

642
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: left her a crisp hunderd just for the chat.

643
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: Ben Frank for your tongue.

644
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nef said of Anna, quote she ran that place.

645
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: You know how Rihanna walks out with wine glasses. That

646
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: was Anna, and they let her saren you and I

647
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: are obsessed with Rihanna's leaving restaurants. She walks out at

648
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: the end of a meal with wine in hand, and

649
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: no one ever stops her because she's Rihanna.

650
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

651
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: Well, Anna had the same attitude.

652
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, this goes far.

653
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: It does.

654
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: So she's question you if you don't question you.

655
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: Yes, good call. And all I do is question myself.

656
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: I know you do so.

657
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: Anna, she's like charming Nef, and she didn't just stop

658
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: to chat. She starts inviting her to like spa treatments

659
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. She basically was like buying

660
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: a buddy, but there was always an ulterior motive. So

661
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: she starts telling Nef about the foundation idea of the

662
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: social club. She needs help booking hard to get restaurant

663
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: reservations in order to have like impressive business lunches and

664
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: dinners attract investors, and Nef is like, I'll hold my

665
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: new friend. You know, Anna, you're just too interesting and

666
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: too strange. I'll do this. So she did have some

667
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: funny business shuffling between.

668
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 3: Do you think, by the way reading about her, that

669
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: she was funny in person? Like what do you think

670
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: she had some level of child I.

671
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: Think she was like brassy and like.

672
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: Fascy would people wouldn't, yeah, and just like and like, okay,

673
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: I was just curious.

674
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: So she's still she's still working City National and Fortress

675
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 2: against each other. She managed to get out of the

676
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: Fortress thing, like while they were still in the due

677
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: diligence phase. Okay, yeah, so they refunded her fifty five

678
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: thousand of that fee, of one hundred, and then she

679
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: shuffled down forty five.

680
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: This is what it costs, so they've already.

681
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: Spent and then they shuffled that. She takes that that

682
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: fifty five thousand, puts it into a City Bank account

683
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: and use that to live large. Like, sorry, City National

684
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: in your line of credit. Oh, that's city banks money, right.

685
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: Okay, so she's got a different bank and she's now

686
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: suddenly using a credit card.

687
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: Yes, and so, but when you live like her, fifty

688
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars.

689
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: Is in Gover, Oh, it's like a couple of months maybe.

690
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: So she had to go back to stiffing people on

691
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: tabs and like not paying for hotel rooms.

692
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: Like not being able to hear people she walks away.

693
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what she would do. So she went

694
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: back and forth with eleven Howard, promising wire transfers and

695
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: stuff like stalling getting the boot from the hotel because

696
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: she was not paying and the hotel didn't want to

697
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: offend her, piss her off because like she knew everyone. Yeah,

698
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: she's about to open the hottest social club in the city.

699
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: One month though, the one month that she lived there,

700
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: she ran up a thirty thousand dollars Bill, Are you kidding? No,

701
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm serious.

702
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: So he ran one month.

703
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, hotel management they sent nef like look, twist her arm,

704
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: get her to pay, and she's just brushing off, Like

705
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: I don't brushing her off.

706
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: I don't.

707
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: I didn't hear that walks away okay, yeah, yeah, it

708
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: like starts gifting people's champagne, expensive bottles of champagne. Like

709
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: that's not going to make this go away. She finally

710
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 2: did wire the hotel thirty grand from City Bank fifty

711
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: five thou Yeah, but she didn't give them a credit

712
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: card for the charges that she was continuing to rack up.

713
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: Oh, she's still saying that she's still.

714
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: Staying there, And so that the thing is is that

715
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: she'd already defeated eggs. She had depleted that City Bank account.

716
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: Where did the thirty grand come? Yeah?

717
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: Where did it come from? Elizabeth?

718
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Elizabeth. It was a classic move bad checks. Oh, yes,

719
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: she was tiding check and like she would transfer the

720
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 2: available funds before they bounced.

721
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 3: Yes.

722
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: And so May twenty seventeen, oh Anna went to Omaha, Nebraska,

723
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: Nebraska see Birchter Hathaway Amos having its annual investment conference.

724
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 3: You went to Warren Buffett's like will meeting.

725
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: She would tell people, I gotta go see Warren Buffett.

726
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: Warren Buffett did not know this.

727
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: I bet not. She trying to troll for.

728
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 2: So she legitimately went there. She she took a thirty

729
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars private jet flight there and back. And

730
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: it should come as no surprise that she did not

731
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: actually pay for this. More promises of wire transfers. I

732
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: feel like if I tried this, they wouldn't let the

733
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: jet get off the ground without the money in hand.

734
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: Of the time. Now some of us cannot do this.

735
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: I'm surprised she's not pulling my daddy's a Russian oligarch

736
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: to put a little fear exactly.

737
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 2: So back in New York there were developments. Elevin Howard

738
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: was like, we got to get paid.

739
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

740
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: She hadn't checked out. Yeah, she hadn't checked out when

741
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: she went to Omaha, so she she's basically living there.

742
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: Don't forget, she hadn't left in the credit card to

743
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: charge for the stay. So while she's away in Omaha,

744
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: they kick her out. They changed the key card to

745
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: the room, they put all of her crap like design

746
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: her clothes and all into storage and we'll release it

747
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: when you pay that decent. Yeah. So she gets back

748
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: and lost it. She absolutely lost it. So instead of

749
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: the classic do you know who my dad is? Or

750
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: like my favorite, I'll sue you, sure, she went full

751
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: on like Russian FSB. Yes, she said she was gonna

752
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: buy web domains in all of the hotel manager's names

753
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: and blackmail them into buying them back from her.

754
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: That is a new level.

755
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: That's scary.

756
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna ruin your life and everyone you know,

757
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: your family, your neighbors.

758
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: She talked her way into getting her stuff back, and

759
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: then she was on her way. The threats were as

760
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: empty as her bank account. Let's stop here for a moment,

761
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: listen to some ads. Get centered, and when we come back,

762
00:36:39,000 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: more antics, more anatics.

763
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: Zaren, I'm still tripping about the FSB threats. I thought

764
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 3: about that the entire break, leaning on.

765
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: That I would have opened with that kind of stuff.

766
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 3: I knew that the Russian oligarch fear would come in somehow,

767
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 3: and you far exceeded what I meant.

768
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: It was more just like the technique of it. She

769
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: never really mentioned that, and apparently she learned that angle

770
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: to say, I'm going to buy the domains and I'm

771
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: going to make it your life, hell with it from

772
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: Martin Screlly.

773
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: Wait, the guy who's like did all of the like

774
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 3: he raised insolent prices, own someone who tang album and

775
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: in prison.

776
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: Because they knew each other in social circles, he taught

777
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: her that anyway.

778
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: He wow, So it's one of his business moves. I imagine.

779
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so Nay soken just like absolutely scruples exactly.

780
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: So she's booted out of her pash hotel gigs. Where

781
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 2: do you go?

782
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: Where do you go back to Germany.

783
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: And get a real job?

784
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: Back to Colo again? Am I? No?

785
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: She reached out to that Vanity Fair photographer Rachel all Right.

786
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: She's like, Rachel, I got a story for you.

787
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: You would have gone an adventure. And she's like, Rachel,

788
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: I have to reset my visa with a trip out

789
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: of the country, and you know how we should do that.

790
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: Let's go to Morocco. What I know, pure luxury eye popping. Yeah.

791
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: Rachel's like why not? And like, Noel, I can tell

792
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: you exactly why not.

793
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

794
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: So Anna also invited her personal trainer.

795
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: She has a personal, another friend.

796
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: Who happened to be a photographer, and then the concierge

797
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: from the hotel that just evicted her.

798
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: You cannot afford this, girl.

799
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: Declined, smart she had seen behind the curtain, she knew

800
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: about Right now she has to. So Anna forwarded the

801
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: hotel reservation confirmation email to Rachel, and it was for

802
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: La Mammuonia Resort.

803
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: Says, there, what are.

804
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: We talking about when we say luxury Moroccan accommodation.

805
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I'll just be flat out with you.

806
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: You know, I do not know.

807
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: This seven thousand dollars a night a night, per night.

808
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: I of course inspected their website. It's jaw dropping, and

809
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: it like it's smelled good even through my laptop screen.

810
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: I've never lived in a place that my rent for

811
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: the month was that much, or not even half that much. Yeah.

812
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, exactly. Wow, And that's per night,

813
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: per night. Yeah. And so she also Anna's like, you know,

814
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: the thing is too okay. So that's we have the

815
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: reservations for the hotel locked in, but my credit card

816
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 2: is acting up, and so can you put everyone's flights

817
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: on your card? And then I'll get you back asap,

818
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: Rachel against my future advice? Right now? Did it?

819
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: The vanity fair rider photography photographer? You know she ain't

820
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: got that.

821
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: No, the trip was amazing, Like the resort incredible. They

822
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: had a private butler, the tennis lessons, spa treatments. Yeah,

823
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: they were living it up.

824
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: What the Daisy Buchanan is going on.

825
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: After a couple of days of this like relaxation in pampering,

826
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: they decided they wanted to go into Marrakesh and explore

827
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: and like shop it up. Oh yeah, Anna wanted to

828
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: look bad. She wanted a klftan.

829
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, which like Home among Us, doesn't I'd

830
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: like to be lace.

831
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: Yes, at the kaftan store. Klftans are us. Her credit

832
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 2: card were.

833
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: At this point, but the kafftans where you're like, I

834
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: could go for some cas.

835
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll go with her. Yeah, I'll put

836
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: the flight on my car if I get a kaftan

837
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: out of it. So card gets declined and she's like,

838
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: oh my god, you guys, I forgot to tell the

839
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: bank that I'm traveling.

840
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: This has actually happened to me. That's alegic that yeah,

841
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: people could believe that.

842
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: And I found though like back in that time, like

843
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: mid twenty teens, that happened to me.

844
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. No.

845
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: Now, I went out of the country last year and

846
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: I went to like call AMEX and tell them. They're like,

847
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: we don't care.

848
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 3: They don't do that anymore.

849
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: No, They're like, we'll figure it out.

850
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: You know that totally That exact same time that happened

851
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 3: to me is well, I had to call Bank of

852
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: America and be like, look, I'm out of America and

853
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: I need money.

854
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

855
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, no.

856
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: I tried to do patively and they were like congratulations.

857
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess yeah, way to go girl.

858
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they're like, we got eyes on you everywhere.

859
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: So her card's not working. She's like, I'll pay you

860
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: back immediately to Rachel if you can put this kaftan

861
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: on your card, okay, And she's like okay, fine, And

862
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 2: then they go out to dinner and she's like, remember

863
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: my card, Rachel, one more time. Okay fine. So she

864
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: goes to pick up the tab for the fancy dinner

865
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: and so, like they didn't like hit up a local

866
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: market and sit on their hotel beds eating snack foods

867
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: while watching Law and Order like I would chan on

868
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: dates and yeah, no, they went to like fancy dinners.

869
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: So the day after that they go to Explore again,

870
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: and this time the hotel stopped Anna on her way

871
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: out and they're like, you know, your credit card was declined,

872
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: and so then she's like, okay, we'll take care of it.

873
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: So then the day after that, the staff stops Rachel

874
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 2: and they basically said, like, get your friend in line

875
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: and have her pay up. She goes back to the room,

876
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: she tells Anna. Anna's like, let me settle this. She

877
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: goes to the front desk, comes back to the suite

878
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 2: and it's like everything's cleared up. I took care of it. Zaren. Yes,

879
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: close your eye, I want you to picture it. You

880
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: are the day manager at La Mamounia Resort. You have

881
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: a degree in hospitality and years of experience. You know

882
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: how to be discreet, You know how to keep guests happy.

883
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: You also run a tight ship. You've seen your share

884
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 2: of grifters and scammers at luxury properties over the years.

885
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: You can sniff them out. You weren't in when this

886
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 2: Anna Delby checked in. Had you been, your conradar would

887
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: have started pinging. Of course, you always have to give

888
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: guests the benefit of the doubt. You don't want to

889
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: accuse someone of being a criminal when they're just dinghy

890
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: or irresponsible. Word travels fast in the world these circles.

891
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: Such an accusation can be a business killer if it's

892
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: not substantiated. But now you've seen all you need to

893
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: see with this Anna Delvey. She's been running up charges

894
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: and running away from you, and you are done. This

895
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: ends now. You were told her group went on a

896
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: day excursion, and you're waiting in the porte cochere that

897
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: leads from the shaded driveway to the resort into a

898
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 2: glossy marble lobby. The sun glints off your aviator sunglasses

899
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: as a cool breeze ruffles the fronds of the palms

900
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: framing the grand resort. On either side of you are

901
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: associate managers, one holding the paperwork for the bill, the

902
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: other holding a walkie talkie ready to summon resort security.

903
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: Gentle music drifts out to the driveway from the luxe lobby.

904
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: It's air delicately scented with sandalwood and damas grows, A

905
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: range drover pulls up, and Anna and her group steps out,

906
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 2: faces turning up to the afternoon sun. You step forward,

907
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 2: Miss Delvy, you say, I do not mean to cause offense.

908
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: It is important that we address the financial aspect of

909
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: your stay here, but I wish to stress that I

910
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: do so in a spirit of respect and consideration. She

911
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: gives you a small grin and begins walking toward their villa,

912
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: friends trailing behind like hapless ducklings following their mother into traffic.

913
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: You and your colleagues follow. Miss Delvy. You repeat, I

914
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: do not wish to be indelicate. May I respectfully bring

915
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 2: to your attention that the account for your villa remains outstanding.

916
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: I would be most grateful if we could arrange settlement immediately,

917
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: should you prefer, our account's department would be delighted to

918
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: coordinate discreetly with your office or personal assistant to ensure

919
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: everything is managed smoothly. You're now standing in front of

920
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: the door to the villa, blocking their entrance. There's a

921
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: tense silence. Anna turns to one of her friends, Rachel.

922
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: She says, can you put the charges on your card?

923
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: I'm having a terrible time with my bank. They'll just

924
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: put a hold, the charges won't go through. I'll get

925
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: on the phone with my bank right now and arrange

926
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: a wire. Does that satisfy you, Anna asks you, turning

927
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: to stare daggers at you. Certainly, miss you say, as

928
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: long as the wire is initiated today, I'll need confirmation.

929
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: As soon as it's placed, certainly, says Anna, echoing your tone,

930
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: you go back to your office and wait and wait.

931
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: So saren she done? Did it? Rachel and the personal trainer,

932
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: They're like, we're out of here.

933
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 3: I thank goodness.

934
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: They head back to New York almost immediately. Anna and

935
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: the other friend, the other photographer, they stayed at the

936
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: resort like, still soaking up the luxury. Rachel gets home

937
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: and checks her card statement. She'd been charged for everything

938
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: seventy thousand dollars. That's more than she made in a year.

939
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: So I'm assuming that it's like an amex if she

940
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: was able to run it up like that.

941
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

942
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 3: Oh god God.

943
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: So Anna texts Rachel and is like, I'm gonna, you know,

944
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: wire the to you immediately. But we've all heard that

945
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: one before. Then Anna gets back to the States and

946
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: just avoids Rachel. And other people that she'd asked to

947
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: front funds for are also they're starting to call in

948
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: their loans, like the pressure is building. Anna got a

949
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: room in a new hotel, The Beakman. Twenty days into

950
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: her stay, she still hadn't paid, so they gave her

951
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: the boot. Then she goes to the w and she

952
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: only got like a night or so in there before

953
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: she's kicked out for non paid. Yeah, like it's more

954
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: corporate where they're like, no, seriously, we will not give

955
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: you the key without a card. She starts like dining

956
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: and dashing at like high end, like the restaurant at

957
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: La Parker Meridian.

958
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 3: Yes, I was just about to take a joke about

959
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: that one. Nice restaurants, I know.

960
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, she jumped on her bill there. And Rachel, she's

961
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: still trying to chase down that seventy grand and like

962
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: she can't just write that one off like some art

963
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: collector guy. So she starts investigating. She's snooping around into

964
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: exactly who is Anna? How can I get my money back?

965
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: And the thing about the Parker Meridian they filed charges.

966
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: Good, I'm god, someone's like, let's bring in some authorities.

967
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: Yes, so, Rachel, she's trying to chase down the seventy grand.

968
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 2: She can't just write it off. She's investigating, She's snooping around.

969
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: She's a young journalist, she's a photographer.

970
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm talking.

971
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 2: Like, who is Anna? How do I get my money back?

972
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: July thirty first, twenty seventeen, a story called quote wanna

973
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: be socialite busted for skipping out on pricey hotel bills

974
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 2: was published in The New York Post. And now everyone knew.

975
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: Did she go as people she knew? Like other journalists

976
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: cause I think she's a Nandy fair photographer. Should make

977
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 3: this a story?

978
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: Yeah at this point, not yet. And so Anna, she's

979
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: like trying to squash it. She's telling all the people

980
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: she knows, like, oh, it's false, you know, like a

981
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: New York Post.

982
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: He's got whiff of a good story in Ramby, Okay.

983
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: And so I'm guessing they got you know, intel from

984
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: like the hotels, you know, the concierge.

985
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe not whispered.

986
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. So with the article out, Rachel is like, I'm

987
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: taking action. She goes to the cops to report. Cops

988
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: don't care, I know New York City cops like the

989
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: Strokes saying so they're like this is a civil matter,

990
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: and like, you know, go to small claims. Seventy thousand

991
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: is way beyond the cash. Yeah, so Rachel Larny right, Yeah, Well,

992
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: Rachel and the others on the trip, they confronted Anna

993
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: about her scams. Anna never broke like, She's like, I

994
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: I did not call you. If anything, I'm the victim.

995
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 2: These banks, My god, what they're doing to us. Yes, exactly,

996
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: So Rachel, she'd really had enough, so she reached out

997
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: to the New York County District Attorney's office. She's like, dudes,

998
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 2: I want to report a con artist. And they're like, dude,

999
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: I hear you, and we already know about it. Because

1000
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 2: she they already had her in their sights, kiting checks everywhere,

1001
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: and and now she's on the move. She's headed out

1002
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: to California. So on the way out of town, she

1003
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 2: hired criminal defense attorney to Hospodik she hired. Yeah. She

1004
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: wanted him to make the hotel bill skip charges go

1005
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 2: away because they were all misdemeanors, and so she didn't

1006
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: show up in court for those. She had her lawyer

1007
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: tell the judge that she was off to rehab in

1008
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: La oh No, and those charges were just the tip

1009
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: ofthy iceberg.

1010
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: Though.

1011
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: So she's Rachel while this is going on, Rachel's out

1012
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: there testifying to the grand jury about everything she knows,

1013
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: and as a result, Anna gets formally indicted and charged

1014
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: with attempted grand larceny in the first degree Class C felony,

1015
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: the two counts, three counts of grand larceny in a

1016
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: second degree, and then a felony, one count of grand

1017
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: larceny in the third degree felony, one count of theft

1018
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: of services, which is a misdemeanor.

1019
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 3: As Heath led Joker once said, rack them up, rack

1020
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: them up, rack them.

1021
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: Up, exactly. So Anna, she's still in California, but that

1022
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: doesn't matter.

1023
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: Did you look at passages in Malibu? Uh?

1024
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, she really was the arm of the law. She

1025
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: is long October third, twenty seventeen. She's at passage is Malibu.

1026
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 2: She gets arrested out in front famous rehab facility. It's

1027
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: so many people get busted there, like the arrest count

1028
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: in front, like on the Citizen app It's just one

1029
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: after anout.

1030
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 3: I once knew a guy who worked with as a

1031
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 3: house painter who was very attractive. He was a male model.

1032
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 3: He had this older lady like maybe we were at

1033
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: the time. He was like, she was like probably middle

1034
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: age like maybe an early forties, late thirties or whatever.

1035
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: She like was like running for her husband and like

1036
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 3: promising him all this money was and she asked him

1037
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: to bust her out of passages. She got arrested out in.

1038
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: Front God bless you. Really, you don't. You're not anyone

1039
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 2: until you're arrested in front of passages. So she's arrested

1040
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: and gets sent back to New York where she's arraigned

1041
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: and remanded without bail, remand your honor all that. Yeah,

1042
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: that story. So then the New York Post piece had

1043
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: kicked off like a media firestorm. I bet New York

1044
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: Magazine was like, what's.

1045
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: Up, we got dating on this one. Yeah.

1046
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: They published an in depth profile and jail house interview

1047
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: with her. The DA's office, meanwhile, was like, I'll give

1048
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: you a plea deal. You can serve three to nine years.

1049
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 2: Uh huh for everything you've done. She's like, no, big, Nope,

1050
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: looks like we got ourselves an old fashion trio. And

1051
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 2: so she went to court March twenty nineteen, press eating

1052
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: it up. She turned up every day at the courthouse

1053
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: in like crazy designer does.

1054
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 3: I'm sure like the cuts running a coverage all.

1055
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there was an Instagram account that detailed her

1056
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: like vicious looks, Annadelvey Court looks. That's the account, and

1057
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: I can gladly tell you that. On April twenty fifth,

1058
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, she was found guilty of four counts of

1059
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: theftis services, three counts of grand larceny, one count of

1060
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: attempted grand larceny, and then she got acquitted of one

1061
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: count of grand larceny and one count of attempted grand larceny.

1062
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 2: She got four to twelve years in prison, which blew

1063
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: by the time proposed in the plea deal.

1064
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, three to nine and she got four to twelve.

1065
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Rachel an article for Vanity Fair, which then led

1066
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 2: to a book called My Friend Anna, The True Story

1067
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: of a Fake Heiress.

1068
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's an option for a movie.

1069
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: By Lena Dunham. Oh no, less, but nothing's happened with

1070
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: it for Rachel. I mean, someone's got to get a

1071
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: book dealer.

1072
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: Rachel gets paid, and she got paid.

1073
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: I want, That's what I want. Anna made parole in

1074
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, but then not too long after she

1075
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: got nabbed by Ice.

1076
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

1077
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: That was back when they wore uniforms and drove official vehicles.

1078
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh at someone getting

1079
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 3: busted by ICE.

1080
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: It was a different, something different. Wow, she'd overstayed her visa,

1081
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: so they sent her off to an ICE facility.

1082
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 3: She was one of the ICE's early victims.

1083
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was somehow. At the same time, she managed

1084
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: to sell her story to Netflix for three hundred and

1085
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars.

1086
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: So she got busted by ICE before it was cool.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's good for you. I know you like the pun.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. So that three hundred and twenty thousand that

1089
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: got sucked up in immediately for restitution and lead. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Netflix released Inventing Anna, and it was produced by Shonda Rhymes.

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00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: Became a huge hit, and I was all set to

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00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: watch it, Like, I sat down on the sofa popcorn,

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00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: I cracked open a Coke zero. I was ready to

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00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: go because I thought it was a documentary. But then

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00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: like it turns out it was a mini series based

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00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 2: on a true story. I don't like watching those type

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00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: of things to prep to tell you stories because then

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00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: they're invented.

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Speaker 3: Details you don't know if it's actual.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Saren. I'm a citizen journalist. Of course, Okay,

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00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: I have standards, all right, Total. I also don't like

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00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: watching videos if I can just read the information. So

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00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: the public loved the series, Rachel didn't. She sued Netflix

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Speaker 2: for defamation.

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: I know? Anna? She got out of iced attention on

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00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: house arrest, and she had to wear an ankle monitor

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00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: while awaiting possible deportation. She also was ordered to stay

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00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: off social media.

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00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: Total flight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, She said that the social media band was worse

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00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: than the ankle monitor. It's an addiction.

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Speaker 3: Peace, I really speak to our body times.

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00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: Now. Gal's got to monetize these that's what you're saying.

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00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're getting away of her job.

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Speaker 2: She started a podcast, the Anna Delvy Show, Are You

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00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 2: Kidding Me? She also started filming a reality show because

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Speaker 2: of course.

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00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 3: Who would talk to her? I don't know who goes on.

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Speaker 2: It was called The Show Is Delvy's Dinner Club, where

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00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: she was going to have people over to her apartment

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00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: for quote, intimate conversations about Anna's experience with the criminal

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Speaker 2: justice systems, probably her strategy to rebuild her image and

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00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: plans for the future. As of September twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: it has not been released and there's no telling it

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00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: it ever, will be not satisfied with a podcast and

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00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: a potential reality show Old gal hit Network TV. No,

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00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 2: she was on the thirty third season of Dancing with

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Speaker 2: the Stars. What I had no idea it had been

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00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 2: on that long.

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Speaker 3: Well, those aren't like normal seasons, like every time we

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00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: make it, so it's like a.

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00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: Year I've never seen it.

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00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: That's crazy. Remember, she I guess, I guess she has

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Speaker 3: the names.

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00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: Address, so like, I guess you can leave for work.

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00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: She'd be dazzled the ankle monitor. She like, yeah, it

1138
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: had like the little sequence like the and she just

1139
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 2: let her feet a fury loose. But she got eliminated

1140
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: in the second episode. Here's my favorite part the Dancing

1141
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: with the Star's co host Julianne Huff how you say?

1142
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: I think she asked her, like, what what's your takeaway

1143
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: from your experience on the show? And Anna just starts

1144
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: cracking up and goes nothing.

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00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: Wow. Kept her normal charm.

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00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: So earlier this year, she was in designer Elena Veles's

1147
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: New York Fashion Week runway show, still rocking the ankle monitor.

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00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: Earlier this year.

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00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: Earlier, Yeah, because I'm guessing that degration stuff does not

1150
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: apply equally to all, and I'll just leave it at that.

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00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: I'm leaving at that.

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00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: Oh and not too long ago, like last month. I mean,

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00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: don't forget. She's a convicted felon. Okay, did she do

1154
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: her time and she's parole, so.

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00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: She did her four years and then it's on parole

1156
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: or no, she didn't even four years. She's on appeal

1157
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: or no, not.

1158
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: Even on appeal. She's just out on parole. And then

1159
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: ICE picked her up because her visas expired. And apparently

1160
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: if you're her, yeah whatever.

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00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 3: Okay, little blonde who wears a bathrobe and people go,

1162
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 3: I love her, then your ICE problems are different.

1163
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not on your way to suitan Yeah, not

1164
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 2: too long ago, like last month. She did an Instagram

1165
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: photo shoot in Prospect Park in New York for Who.

1166
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 2: Well it wound up being really controversial.

1167
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 3: Who needed the name brand recognition of.

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00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: This in an Instagram photoshoot? Maybe I do those with

1169
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: the dog. It was controversial because there were all these

1170
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 2: rabbits in the shoot. Rabbits, yeah, and I guess like

1171
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: the stylist for the shoot and got them from some

1172
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: animal rescue. And then when the shoot was done. They

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00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: just released them all into the park.

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00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 3: Into the Central Park, the Prospect Park, and.

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00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: Then Anna just blamed everyone else. She's like, well, no, naturally.

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00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: I saw bunnies are fun.

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00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous takeaway.

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00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: Wow, Like, you know, I've always enjoyed being me, But

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00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 3: the world would be like just like sideways if I

1180
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: had the ability of these type of criminals, because like

1181
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: I was a very unscrupulous teenager. Could you imagine if

1182
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: I was born into the chaos of post Soviet Russia

1183
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 3: and then also had like this physicality on my side

1184
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 3: and then my attitude of being like I would have

1185
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 3: to work on the shameless part that she's got there?

1186
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: Didn't she lean into the I'm a victim of the

1187
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: collapsing Soviet states.

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00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: I don't think she read enough history. You know, maybe

1189
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: her family didn't really tell her enoughing Jermany. They didn't

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00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 3: want to bring it up anymore, you know, they were

1191
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 3: looking forward.

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00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: And she's like she went there like a like sixteen

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00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: or twelve.

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Speaker 3: I don't know anyway, what's yours, Elizabeth? What's your ridiculous takeaway? Thanks?

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00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm in awe. I'm disgusted and in awe. And it's

1196
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: like it's I didn't have too much of a problem

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00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: with her until she went after Rachel.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I really just like, you know, she's

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Speaker 3: trying to make it in this world.

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00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: Nef was wise, Nef didn't get stung, but like Rachel

1201
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: is just you know, she's an artist basically in journalism

1202
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: in the in New York and it's so expensive, and

1203
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: she's like gets this opportunity, like you know, but again,

1204
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: if something's too good to be true, it is I

1205
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: need to talk about. Golly Dave, oh my god, that.

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Speaker 3: I let get so.

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Speaker 5: I just finished listening to your latest podcast and I

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00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 5: couldn't get past Zarren's ridiculous thing. At first, I was reacting,

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00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 5: like Elizabeth, what a horrible thing to do to these people.

1210
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 5: But then I was like, where did they get the pillowcases?

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00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 5: Where did they suddenly find pillows to dis robe? Who

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00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 5: thought of this? Pillowcases? Why people in pillowcases? Like maybe sacks,

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00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 5: but pillowcases. Thank you guys, so.

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Speaker 2: Much, thank you for saying, yes, my girl logistics see.

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00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 3: Little people in pillowcases is wrong.

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00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 2: From the opening of what movie was that?

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00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 3: The Pinocchio in New York?

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00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like that's the thing Walt Disney had a thing.

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00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 3: He's like, how about twelve eleven?

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00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: She's what she's saying is so spot on. It's one

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00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: thing that Oh it's sore. Who went and got the pillowcases?

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00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: And from where did they source them?

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00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, gus were talking about throwing resputant in a river.

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00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 3: This just ain't right.

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00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: They go to a nearby hotel and raid the linens.

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00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: But possibly that is a good question.

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01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: That is a good question. I love this. That's got

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