WEBVTT - #401 Packers Unscripted: Minicamp opens, draft on deck 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:21.440 Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.639 I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside the one and only 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.960 wes Hodkuwits were coming to you here from our studios 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.160 at lambeau Field West, our final show here before the 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.640 two thousand nineteen NFL Draft, And we'll get to some 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.879 final thoughts on the draft a little bit later in 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.000 the show. But first I want to touch on the 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.720 voluntary veteran minicamp that is going on here this week 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.879 at It's actually taking place across the street at the 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.600 Don Hudson Center. A couple of practices, the first time 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.320 for Matt Lafleur his coaching staff to take the players 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.720 out onto the field. Some real basic installation type of 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:02.600 things going on, particularly on offense with the brand new playbook. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.200 But I think the interesting thing that we got a 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.360 sense of yesterday when Matt Lafleur spoke with the media 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:13.400 after practice is the the tone, the vibe that he's 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.320 trying to set with the two thousand nineteen Packers. Because 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:18.480 you know how it is West. You've been here a 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.040 few years now, I've been here going on thirteen years. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.920 You walk around this building, you can't escape the history. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.120 The Packers Hall of Fame is right there on the 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.080 main floor of the atrium you walk around in the 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.680 team facilities, there's murals on the wall representing all these 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.840 iconic moments at lambeau Field. You have all of the 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.200 Hall of Famers and and the championship banners and all 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.080 of that kind of stuff. So you can't escape the history. 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.040 But one thing Matt Lafleur is really trying to stress 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:46.959 with his players and some of the changes that he 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.120 made to the esthetics around the team meeting room and 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.960 things like that, is there's a respect and a difference 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.880 for history, but it's time to make your own history. 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.320 Don't get too caught up in the past. Look forward. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.760 And I want to just recite this because as soon 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.080 as the floor said it during the news and immediately 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.920 is something that resonated me, like, you know what, I 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.000 think that's sort of a landmark statement he made. He 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.160 said when he comes to the Green Bay Packers. Obviously 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.720 you respect tradition, the history, but for us in this 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.760 football team, it's about making history. Will always pick credit 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:19.880 and respect to what's been done in the past, but 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.679 for us, it's moving forward. So I thought that was 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.760 a really interesting thing, he said, because it was basically 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.000 it came after a question about all the changes that 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.600 have been made around maybe not the building per se, 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.080 if you're a fan coming here, but around the player facilities, 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.680 the different lighting, the murals, the sayings that have been 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.520 put up, and really just an embodiment of what this 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.760 organization is, not only historically in the past hundred seasons, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.400 but now one on one on one and moving forward. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.919 And I think that message has really resonated with the guys. 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.680 Obviously Aaron Rodgers spoke a little bit about that at 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.160 his locker on Tuesday, but then even Tremon Williams mentioning 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.480 just a new energy man and just just a feeling 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.400 a fresh snus. I think sometimes that's what you need, 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.400 especially when you come off to back to back losing 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.560 seasons like the Packers have done. You need something to 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.600 give these guys a spark, not only in November, not 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.880 only on September five, but right now in the heart 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.680 of April as you're starting to establish your team. I 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.800 don't want to say culture because that seems like it's 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.720 almost become an overplayed cliche at this point, but it 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.080 is about making your own mark, and I think Matt Lafleur, 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.280 in his own way, first time stepping into a head 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.600 coaches chair, has really done that well. And I think 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.480 he's recognizing the fact that he has an opportunity to 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.720 capitalize on a significant amount of hunger in that locker 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.320 room because when you look at it, West, there are 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.360 only four players in that locker room. We have won 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:46.200 a Super Bowl, Aaron Rodgers, Mason Crosby, Brian Bulaga it 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.360 was his rookie year two thousand and ten, obviously, and 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.880 Tremont Williams. The rest of the locker room. And even 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.040 when you're talking about accomplished veterans like Jimmy Graham and 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.200 Marcedes Lewis, they haven't won Super Bowls, you know. So 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.600 you have that dynamic out in in the locker room. 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.680 It's been there for a couple of years. But now 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.560 a new coach coming in, new coaching staff, a lot 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.480 of freshness, a lot of newness to everything. Mike Petton 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.480 in year two with his defense, there's a there's a 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.000 mentality to capitalize on. I think that's what Matt Lafleur 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.000 is trying to accomplish. Yeah, and and the other thing 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.839 he said too. Is he really he loves this these guys, 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.680 he loves that locker room. He's already gotten a really 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.440 good response in terms of their energy level. This is 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.240 a place that is accustomed to winning, has gotten used 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.479 to winning. Even the two thousand and sixteen draft class 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.479 played in an NFC championship game. They know what it's 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:36.960 like to be in the final four, they know what 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:38.800 it's like to be in the playoffs, and they want 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.800 to get back to that level. So everybody's buying in 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.120 that regard. This is the vision, this is the plan, 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.360 this is what's going to take us back to that 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:50.680 promised land. And right now, a very unique opportunity for 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.520 the team this week voluntary mini camps. It seemed like, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.640 guys are here dust till dawn right now, an opportunity 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.200 seems you know, we haven't had a chance to get 0:04:58.279 --> 0:04:59.920 on the practice field yet. It seems like a tending 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.640 This was really good for this week. Veterans, young players alike, 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.520 and obviously trying to put that next foot forward before 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.520 they jumped back into phase two of the off season 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.320 program next week. Yeah. Well, another bit of news that 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.720 came out of the first day of practice. Um, well, 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.039 we were aware of the news that Cole Madison, the 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.120 fifth round draft pick offensive lineman from Washington State, was 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.520 back with the team. He showed up for the first 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:26.080 day of offseason workouts a couple of weeks ago after 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:29.919 taking essentially taking the year off last year, and he 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.560 spoke to the media for the first time. And you 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.680 wrote a really nice story on our website. Certainly folks 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.000 can check that out. I think the uh the primary 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.720 message that Madison was trying to get across or maybe 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:48.640 two things. One, he had some personal mental health type 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.880 issues that he needed to take care of and to 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.440 he really appreciated the Packers giving them time and the 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.560 space to do that, and now he's going to come 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.720 back and try to get his NFL career started. Yeah, 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.400 And you know, it's funny because sometimes I think we 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:06.440 get into such regimented schedule right where whether it's your 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:10.400 work life, your personal life, school, whatever you're going through, 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.080 you just almost get programmed. Right. You wake up in 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:14.800 the morning, you got to get the kids to school, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.279 you're in here, and you're off with your day. But 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.760 I thought it was really important one thing Cole Madison 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.320 really said and that football really didn't matter if he 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.320 couldn't get his personal life squared away. And obviously there 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.480 was that quote saying that, you know, if he didn't 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.320 get all of his you know, chickens in a row, 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.560 you know, he doesn't know if he'd even be here, right. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.520 I mean, it's just it's that kind of thing, and 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.960 it's something a lot of people deal with, and there 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.640 obviously is a negative stigma attached to mental health. It's 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.679 something I think people are still fighting in two thousand 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.480 nineteen against. But as he said, you know, for a big, 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.400 strong guy six ft five pounds like him, it needed 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:52.040 to be him going out and getting help, talking with 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.919 a counselor being able to express some of these things. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.040 He mentioned his family was an absolute bedrock for him. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:06:59.920 Obviously a lot of things have happened in the last 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.480 couple of years. Washington State quarterback Tyler Helenski, a guy 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:07.000 that was very close with him, he obviously, um you know, 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:11.239 committed suicide in January of two thousand and eighteen. Madison 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.720 said that wasn't actually the thing that sort of led 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:15.520 to all this. He said he'd been dealing with this 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.440 for for a long time before that. But the thing 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.480 he learned the most from that is that those two 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.360 were as close as friends could be. Yeah, Helensky didn't 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.280 know what Madison was dealing with, and Madison didn't know 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.440 what his friend was dealing with. So to have that 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.120 kind of open dialogue and discourse. The organization stood by 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.640 him a hundred and ten percent. They understood there's something 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.160 bigger at play here than this game, this profession, and 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.280 he needed to take that year to do that. He 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.400 also mentioned it was about the end of last year 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.480 he started to get that itch again to play football. 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.440 He felt he was in a much better place mentally, 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.200 and as he said, the Packers had his back during 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.560 that time and now he wants to have theirs. Yeah, 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.120 and I give him a lot of credit for, you know, 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.760 walking in first day of practice so to speak. The 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.080 first day the media is in the locker room and 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.320 and he walked out kind of dealt with the hoard. 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.720 Everybody has these questions they want to ask, they want 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.040 to try to understand what was going on, and uh, um, 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.760 you know, he's he's very sharp, he's very well spoken, 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.640 and uh you know, bottom line is he looks like 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.640 he's in a good place and regardless of what happens 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.200 with football, I mean taking a year off and everything. 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.400 I mean, who knows what that's gonna mean in the 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.600 long run here first football career. But but the most 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.360 important thing is Cole Madison looks like he's back to 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.880 being the Cole Madison that that we first met when 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:33.880 when he was drafted and came in for the rookie 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.040 minicamp last year. And uh and that's a great thing 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.040 to see. He mentioned too. I mean, it was the 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.760 first time recently, it's been the first time a long time. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.600 He wakes up, he feels like himself again. He doesn't 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.920 have those negative dark thoughts kind of creeping up in 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.600 his mind. He's able to you know, sort of see 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.640 the great things in life and in football is something 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.000 that always really mattered to him. He didn't watch it 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.920 last year. He basically toned, you know, tuned out from it. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.000 But he still loved the sport and he came back 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.439 in great physical condition. He mentioned, you know, he thinks 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.840 is obviously there's he has to get back in football 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.359 shape and get you know, get some you know, contact, 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.440 But his conditioning is fine. He feels like he's basically 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.400 in the same ballpark as far as his weight is concerned. Um, 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.559 the only thing that looks different is the long hairs go. 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.240 And as Aaron Rodgers said, that actually was something that 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:20.880 he caught him off guard at first. He didn't quite 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:22.360 recognize him because you go back and look at the 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:23.880 photos from last year when he was here for the 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:28.040 offseason program, long, very distinctive. Look. For sure, he's got 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.880 the slick back sort of deal going on. Um. But 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.560 but be that as it made that. The thing I 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.760 really do like about Madison is once he made the 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:36.680 decision last year that he wasn't going to come back 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.320 for training camp, I don't see at all from the 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.440 Packers perspective, from his perspective, the need to push it 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.440 to come back. You know how difficult that can be 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.760 if you miss camp for injury or whatever reason. Trying, 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.200 especially as a rookie to jump back in the fray. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.120 It's not easy. And who knows if he would have 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.760 done that where his own mindset was at for him 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.480 to be able to sort of just reset come back. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.760 And now from the Packers perspective, they got end draft picks, 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.600 and now they got a fifth rounder from last year 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.120 coming in. It almost is like having an extra pick 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.600 in there and some more competition. For that outside or 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.160 you should say that offensive line room. He mentioned he 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.480 played bolths center and I think it was guard actually 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.280 in practice on Tuesday, kind of stretching his versatility a 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.280 little bit there too, after he started for a better 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.320 part of three years, I think at right tackle UM 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.600 and at Washington State. Yeah, well we'll see how We'll 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.959 see how things unfold from here. You mentioned obviously the 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.120 draft is coming up. I do want to get to 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.920 a few more thoughts on that. 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Okay, West 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.200 Draft Day is almost upon us. The Packers have two 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.960 picks in the first round on Thursday as it stands 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.720 right now, number twelve and number thirty. I'm gonna throw 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.400 some questions at you, will both sort of throw out 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.760 our own thoughts on this. First off, Brian Goudacuin is 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.440 going into this draft with ten picks. How many players 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.240 do you think he's coming out with. I'm gonna go 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.560 with nine. Okay, I'm gonna go with ten, But I 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.760 think it's because he's gonna make a couple of trades, 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:34.840 one up and one back, and he's still gonna end 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.520 up with with ten guys. But I definitely don't see 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.240 him sitting and just picking all ten in those spots. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.959 My dark horse prediction four picks in the first is 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.320 that what we have four in the first One of 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.840 those picks, somewhere along the line they move up. I 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:50.319 don't know if could be the first round, second to 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:51.800 the third round pick, but I think they do some 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.000 flexibility there to go get a player. Okay, number twelve 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.880 is the first one um theoretically where the Packers will 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.800 be on the clock. What do you do you have 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:06.320 any anybody in mind in particular that you think there's 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.440 a good chance will be there and a good chance 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.480 that Brian Gudacunst will take this player, or what are 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.199 your thoughts just in general right now on the number 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.679 twelve pick. It's a great question because I'm sure you'll 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.680 probably ask you about the thirty pick two. I think 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.719 the options, I mean, I guess it's somewhat it's it's 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:24.280 a no brainer, but the options are going to be 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.280 better at twelve than thirty. I think thirty it's to 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.079 me really really cluttered in terms of who falls to 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.959 that spot. But at twelve, I mean, I think it's 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.280 really gonna depend on three frack factors. Is there a 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:38.000 run on quarterbacks? Does somebody after Kyler Murray comes off 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.360 the board wherever that is, Is there people that want 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.760 to go up and get Dwayne Haskins and get Drew Locker? 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.760 Do those guys fault? That's question number one? Question number 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.920 two is how high the skill position players go? T 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.760 J Hockinson, where does he go? Um? You know, is 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.800 there someone else that makes a run on maybe a 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.240 DK Metcalf or something after we heard, you know, maybe 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.840 late first round for him. We know how quickly that 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.280 can change. In the question. It's the biggest one, and 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.400 we addressed it on our previous show, Montes Sweat. Does 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.040 he where does he fall? Even a guy now like 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.960 Rashan Gary out of Michigan with I believe the shoulder 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.280 issue that he's dealing with, Now, how do people weigh 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:16.160 that out? In my opinion, I think offensive line is 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.360 probably gonna have the most options there for the Packers. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:20.880 I think there could be a couple of solid defensive 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:25.000 line prospects. The rest of them are all basically single positions, right, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.480 I mean I don't I can't imagine Devin White's gonna 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.920 be there, So is Devin Bush there? Um, you know 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.480 you look at who else? I want to talk Brian 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.080 Burns with him being at fourteen on a lot of 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:39.760 people's boards, probably in that range. Uh, Cleland Ferrell just uh. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.640 I think the bulk of the positions are offensive defensive line. 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.720 But you would imagine that one of those top players 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.720 at those other positions will be available too. But who 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.400 that is I think we're gonna find out on Thursday night. Yeah, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.440 I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a little bit 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.560 of a limb here because you know me, I'm not 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.920 big into predictions, but the fans always want to know 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.000 what do we think? What are we predicting? All right? 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.960 So I'm gonna go back my initial thoughts, the first thought, 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.800 and I said this to you the day that we 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.080 got all that news of all the free agents that 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.360 Brian Goodacunt signed at the start of free agency. My 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:17.760 mind in the draft, immediately after signing two outside linebackers 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.280 for the defense and a starting safety, my might immediately 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:24.000 went to Devon White l s U. Now, I don't 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:25.920 think he's going to be there at twelve either, and 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.480 I don't really think that Goodakoots is going to trade 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.080 up from twelve and spend the draft capital that it 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:33.840 would take to move up from there. That's just my 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:39.160 gut feelings. So what I'm gonna say is maybe the 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.120 guy is Devon Bush at twelve, the other Devon the 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:46.160 other inside linebacker before. According to all the experts, there 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.760 is a huge drop off in terms of the inside 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.720 linebacker talent. The two Devons are the guys that are 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.600 being talked about his first rounders. So I think I 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.400 just have a gut feeling that's a strong possibility The 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.240 other thing that I that I really do think is 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:05.000 also a strong possibility anybody in that defensive front seven 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.520 who is there, and as I said the other day 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.800 on the show, offensive line as well. And if if 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.400 say a Jonah Williams from Alabama who is projected as 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.120 a guy who could play guard or tackle in the NFL, 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.560 chance to get him in the top half of the 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.880 first round if he's there, Um, I think that's another 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:26.120 strong possibility, just because it's the type of versatile, projected, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.440 versatile lineman that the Packers like to have and like 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.720 to be able to figure out along the way. Absolutely, 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.960 And I think whoever ends up getting Williams is getting 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.080 a really fine football player that you know is going 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:37.800 to be able to come along and probably fill a 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.240 spot when one of you know becomes available, and maybe 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.840 fill it for the next ten years after that. Just 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:44.400 for the sake of you know, being able to make 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.640 a pick. I'll go with Andre dillard Um out of Washington, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:52.280 former teammate of Cole Madison with the Cougars. I really 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.520 like him now he doesn't have as much versatility, at 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.680 least projected. He seems more like a tackle bill. But 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.160 I still think you know the packers have some options inside. 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:02.800 I think one of the big issues from the last 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:04.240 couple of years is how they're going to handle the 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.160 tackle spot if somebody goes down. Justin mccraiye has done 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.240 an amazing job of being able to fill that. But 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.000 as everybody is sort of talking about for the better 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.080 part of two years, mccraize is not a prototypical tackle. 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.720 So I think you get another guy in the developmental system. 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.280 If Dillard's there, I think he could be really good 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.920 pick for them. Yeah, alrighty. Then the other thing will 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.440 close the show on this. At the end of the 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.200 first round, at number thirty, you said you thought one 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.960 of the first four picks was a spot that Brian 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.800 Goodacoonts might trade up. Um, if I were to if 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.600 I were to pick, if I were to pick one 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.600 of those four, that I think is the most likely 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.720 possibility of a trade up. For some reason, I'm thinking 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.640 it's thirty where there's there might be somebody sitting there 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.680 at six and not talking about a huge jump up, 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.320 but somebody who's sitting there in the mid twenties that 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.320 goodacun says, I really want that guy, and he's just 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.680 not gonna last to number thirty if I sit here, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.480 so I just and I don't know necess early who 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:01.920 that player is going to be. It would be hard 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.400 for me to necessarily project that. But um, I think 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.840 if if one of those four picks, first four picks, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.000 like you said, is the is the trade up spot, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:11.880 I think number thirty might be the one that gets 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:13.480 that where the trade up happen. I gonna give you 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.840 four names as far as thirty could be concerned. The 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.320 first one that jumps out to me is Jeffrey Simmons 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.639 out of Mississippi State. This is a guy, definitely a 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.080 guy to keep an eye on. Came out as a 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.840 true junior. Uh. He could have easily been a top 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.359 ten pick if he didn't tear his A c L 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:31.320 before the combine, maybe even top five. Said, he's probably 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.359 not gonna play this year. Packers are pretty deep on 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.560 the defensive line yet, so you could actually weather not 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.720 having him this season. But his upside man six four, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.159 three oh one, This is a guy that I think 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.720 could be a really big disruptive force inside. Kenny Clark 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.199 is going to be a staple in this defense for 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.680 years to come. Brian Goodkin said, it's only a matter 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.480 of time before they pick up his fifth year option. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.679 You would imagine this next year is going to be 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.080 dedicated to trying to extend Clark, who's only twenty three 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.479 years old and accomplished so much that he already has 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.439 in this league. Simmons could be a guy that you 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.440 could really pair with him at that spot. Dalton Reisener, 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.000 if the Packers don't go offensive line, well, even if 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.520 they who knows what they want to do. But Dalton Reisener, 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.679 and I'll say this again too, I said to you 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.800 at the Combine. I think I've said it on this show. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.439 Dalton Reisener being part of his press conference at the 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.280 Combine in Indianapolis. There's just something about his demeanor, the 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.840 way he talks, the way he carries himself that just 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.439 speaks Green Bay Packers offensive lineman. To me, I have 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.560 to think that that he's a good possibility somewhere here 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.720 in the within the first couple of rounds of the draft. 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:36.600 But you never know how it's gonna fall. Don't He 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:38.800 kind of remind you of a T. J. Lang type too. 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.200 I mean he comes from a bigger program than you did, 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.600 but a bigger taller guy, but probably could play inside 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:45.639 if they need him to. It seems like he'd be 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.560 a good fit for the system that they want to run. 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.600 That that there's definitely reminders of a guy like t 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.119 J when you when you get to know Riisener the 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.040 other two I want to touch a really quick Marquis 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.160 Brown is more of a slot type receiver out of Oklahoma, 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.640 very dynamic, only five nine, So I don't know what 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.000