Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside the one and only
Speaker 1: wes Hodkuwits were coming to you here from our studios
Speaker 1: at lambeau Field West, our final show here before the
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen NFL Draft, And we'll get to some
Speaker 1: final thoughts on the draft a little bit later in
Speaker 1: the show. But first I want to touch on the
Speaker 1: voluntary veteran minicamp that is going on here this week
Speaker 1: at It's actually taking place across the street at the
Speaker 1: Don Hudson Center. A couple of practices, the first time
Speaker 1: for Matt Lafleur his coaching staff to take the players
Speaker 1: out onto the field. Some real basic installation type of
Speaker 1: things going on, particularly on offense with the brand new playbook.
Speaker 1: But I think the interesting thing that we got a
Speaker 1: sense of yesterday when Matt Lafleur spoke with the media
Speaker 1: after practice is the the tone, the vibe that he's
Speaker 1: trying to set with the two thousand nineteen Packers. Because
Speaker 1: you know how it is West. You've been here a
Speaker 1: few years now, I've been here going on thirteen years.
Speaker 1: You walk around this building, you can't escape the history.
Speaker 1: The Packers Hall of Fame is right there on the
Speaker 1: main floor of the atrium you walk around in the
Speaker 1: team facilities, there's murals on the wall representing all these
Speaker 1: iconic moments at lambeau Field. You have all of the
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers and and the championship banners and all
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff. So you can't escape the history.
Speaker 1: But one thing Matt Lafleur is really trying to stress
Speaker 1: with his players and some of the changes that he
Speaker 1: made to the esthetics around the team meeting room and
Speaker 1: things like that, is there's a respect and a difference
Speaker 1: for history, but it's time to make your own history.
Speaker 1: Don't get too caught up in the past. Look forward.
Speaker 1: And I want to just recite this because as soon
Speaker 1: as the floor said it during the news and immediately
Speaker 1: is something that resonated me, like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: think that's sort of a landmark statement he made. He
Speaker 1: said when he comes to the Green Bay Packers. Obviously
Speaker 1: you respect tradition, the history, but for us in this
Speaker 1: football team, it's about making history. Will always pick credit
Speaker 1: and respect to what's been done in the past, but
Speaker 1: for us, it's moving forward. So I thought that was
Speaker 1: a really interesting thing, he said, because it was basically
Speaker 1: it came after a question about all the changes that
Speaker 1: have been made around maybe not the building per se,
Speaker 1: if you're a fan coming here, but around the player facilities,
Speaker 1: the different lighting, the murals, the sayings that have been
Speaker 1: put up, and really just an embodiment of what this
Speaker 1: organization is, not only historically in the past hundred seasons,
Speaker 1: but now one on one on one and moving forward.
Speaker 1: And I think that message has really resonated with the guys.
Speaker 1: Obviously Aaron Rodgers spoke a little bit about that at
Speaker 1: his locker on Tuesday, but then even Tremon Williams mentioning
Speaker 1: just a new energy man and just just a feeling
Speaker 1: a fresh snus. I think sometimes that's what you need,
Speaker 1: especially when you come off to back to back losing
Speaker 1: seasons like the Packers have done. You need something to
Speaker 1: give these guys a spark, not only in November, not
Speaker 1: only on September five, but right now in the heart
Speaker 1: of April as you're starting to establish your team. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say culture because that seems like it's
Speaker 1: almost become an overplayed cliche at this point, but it
Speaker 1: is about making your own mark, and I think Matt Lafleur,
Speaker 1: in his own way, first time stepping into a head
Speaker 1: coaches chair, has really done that well. And I think
Speaker 1: he's recognizing the fact that he has an opportunity to
Speaker 1: capitalize on a significant amount of hunger in that locker
Speaker 1: room because when you look at it, West, there are
Speaker 1: only four players in that locker room. We have won
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, Aaron Rodgers, Mason Crosby, Brian Bulaga it
Speaker 1: was his rookie year two thousand and ten, obviously, and
Speaker 1: Tremont Williams. The rest of the locker room. And even
Speaker 1: when you're talking about accomplished veterans like Jimmy Graham and
Speaker 1: Marcedes Lewis, they haven't won Super Bowls, you know. So
Speaker 1: you have that dynamic out in in the locker room.
Speaker 1: It's been there for a couple of years. But now
Speaker 1: a new coach coming in, new coaching staff, a lot
Speaker 1: of freshness, a lot of newness to everything. Mike Petton
Speaker 1: in year two with his defense, there's a there's a
Speaker 1: mentality to capitalize on. I think that's what Matt Lafleur
Speaker 1: is trying to accomplish. Yeah, and and the other thing
Speaker 1: he said too. Is he really he loves this these guys,
Speaker 1: he loves that locker room. He's already gotten a really
Speaker 1: good response in terms of their energy level. This is
Speaker 1: a place that is accustomed to winning, has gotten used
Speaker 1: to winning. Even the two thousand and sixteen draft class
Speaker 1: played in an NFC championship game. They know what it's
Speaker 1: like to be in the final four, they know what
Speaker 1: it's like to be in the playoffs, and they want
Speaker 1: to get back to that level. So everybody's buying in
Speaker 1: that regard. This is the vision, this is the plan,
Speaker 1: this is what's going to take us back to that
Speaker 1: promised land. And right now, a very unique opportunity for
Speaker 1: the team this week voluntary mini camps. It seemed like,
Speaker 1: guys are here dust till dawn right now, an opportunity
Speaker 1: seems you know, we haven't had a chance to get
Speaker 1: on the practice field yet. It seems like a tending
Speaker 1: This was really good for this week. Veterans, young players alike,
Speaker 1: and obviously trying to put that next foot forward before
Speaker 1: they jumped back into phase two of the off season
Speaker 1: program next week. Yeah. Well, another bit of news that
Speaker 1: came out of the first day of practice. Um, well,
Speaker 1: we were aware of the news that Cole Madison, the
Speaker 1: fifth round draft pick offensive lineman from Washington State, was
Speaker 1: back with the team. He showed up for the first
Speaker 1: day of offseason workouts a couple of weeks ago after
Speaker 1: taking essentially taking the year off last year, and he
Speaker 1: spoke to the media for the first time. And you
Speaker 1: wrote a really nice story on our website. Certainly folks
Speaker 1: can check that out. I think the uh the primary
Speaker 1: message that Madison was trying to get across or maybe
Speaker 1: two things. One, he had some personal mental health type
Speaker 1: issues that he needed to take care of and to
Speaker 1: he really appreciated the Packers giving them time and the
Speaker 1: space to do that, and now he's going to come
Speaker 1: back and try to get his NFL career started. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny because sometimes I think we
Speaker 1: get into such regimented schedule right where whether it's your
Speaker 1: work life, your personal life, school, whatever you're going through,
Speaker 1: you just almost get programmed. Right. You wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning, you got to get the kids to school,
Speaker 1: you're in here, and you're off with your day. But
Speaker 1: I thought it was really important one thing Cole Madison
Speaker 1: really said and that football really didn't matter if he
Speaker 1: couldn't get his personal life squared away. And obviously there
Speaker 1: was that quote saying that, you know, if he didn't
Speaker 1: get all of his you know, chickens in a row,
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't know if he'd even be here, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's that kind of thing, and
Speaker 1: it's something a lot of people deal with, and there
Speaker 1: obviously is a negative stigma attached to mental health. It's
Speaker 1: something I think people are still fighting in two thousand
Speaker 1: nineteen against. But as he said, you know, for a big,
Speaker 1: strong guy six ft five pounds like him, it needed
Speaker 1: to be him going out and getting help, talking with
Speaker 1: a counselor being able to express some of these things.
Speaker 1: He mentioned his family was an absolute bedrock for him.
Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of things have happened in the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. Washington State quarterback Tyler Helenski, a guy
Speaker 1: that was very close with him, he obviously, um you know,
Speaker 1: committed suicide in January of two thousand and eighteen. Madison
Speaker 1: said that wasn't actually the thing that sort of led
Speaker 1: to all this. He said he'd been dealing with this
Speaker 1: for for a long time before that. But the thing
Speaker 1: he learned the most from that is that those two
Speaker 1: were as close as friends could be. Yeah, Helensky didn't
Speaker 1: know what Madison was dealing with, and Madison didn't know
Speaker 1: what his friend was dealing with. So to have that
Speaker 1: kind of open dialogue and discourse. The organization stood by
Speaker 1: him a hundred and ten percent. They understood there's something
Speaker 1: bigger at play here than this game, this profession, and
Speaker 1: he needed to take that year to do that. He
Speaker 1: also mentioned it was about the end of last year
Speaker 1: he started to get that itch again to play football.
Speaker 1: He felt he was in a much better place mentally,
Speaker 1: and as he said, the Packers had his back during
Speaker 1: that time and now he wants to have theirs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I give him a lot of credit for, you know,
Speaker 1: walking in first day of practice so to speak. The
Speaker 1: first day the media is in the locker room and
Speaker 1: and he walked out kind of dealt with the hoard.
Speaker 1: Everybody has these questions they want to ask, they want
Speaker 1: to try to understand what was going on, and uh, um,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's very sharp, he's very well spoken,
Speaker 1: and uh you know, bottom line is he looks like
Speaker 1: he's in a good place and regardless of what happens
Speaker 1: with football, I mean taking a year off and everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows what that's gonna mean in the
Speaker 1: long run here first football career. But but the most
Speaker 1: important thing is Cole Madison looks like he's back to
Speaker 1: being the Cole Madison that that we first met when
Speaker 1: when he was drafted and came in for the rookie
Speaker 1: minicamp last year. And uh and that's a great thing
Speaker 1: to see. He mentioned too. I mean, it was the
Speaker 1: first time recently, it's been the first time a long time.
Speaker 1: He wakes up, he feels like himself again. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have those negative dark thoughts kind of creeping up in
Speaker 1: his mind. He's able to you know, sort of see
Speaker 1: the great things in life and in football is something
Speaker 1: that always really mattered to him. He didn't watch it
Speaker 1: last year. He basically toned, you know, tuned out from it.
Speaker 1: But he still loved the sport and he came back
Speaker 1: in great physical condition. He mentioned, you know, he thinks
Speaker 1: is obviously there's he has to get back in football
Speaker 1: shape and get you know, get some you know, contact,
Speaker 1: But his conditioning is fine. He feels like he's basically
Speaker 1: in the same ballpark as far as his weight is concerned. Um,
Speaker 1: the only thing that looks different is the long hairs go.
Speaker 1: And as Aaron Rodgers said, that actually was something that
Speaker 1: he caught him off guard at first. He didn't quite
Speaker 1: recognize him because you go back and look at the
Speaker 1: photos from last year when he was here for the
Speaker 1: offseason program, long, very distinctive. Look. For sure, he's got
Speaker 1: the slick back sort of deal going on. Um. But
Speaker 1: but be that as it made that. The thing I
Speaker 1: really do like about Madison is once he made the
Speaker 1: decision last year that he wasn't going to come back
Speaker 1: for training camp, I don't see at all from the
Speaker 1: Packers perspective, from his perspective, the need to push it
Speaker 1: to come back. You know how difficult that can be
Speaker 1: if you miss camp for injury or whatever reason. Trying,
Speaker 1: especially as a rookie to jump back in the fray.
Speaker 1: It's not easy. And who knows if he would have
Speaker 1: done that where his own mindset was at for him
Speaker 1: to be able to sort of just reset come back.
Speaker 1: And now from the Packers perspective, they got end draft picks,
Speaker 1: and now they got a fifth rounder from last year
Speaker 1: coming in. It almost is like having an extra pick
Speaker 1: in there and some more competition. For that outside or
Speaker 1: you should say that offensive line room. He mentioned he
Speaker 1: played bolths center and I think it was guard actually
Speaker 1: in practice on Tuesday, kind of stretching his versatility a
Speaker 1: little bit there too, after he started for a better
Speaker 1: part of three years, I think at right tackle UM
Speaker 1: and at Washington State. Yeah, well we'll see how We'll
Speaker 1: see how things unfold from here. You mentioned obviously the
Speaker 1: draft is coming up. I do want to get to
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Speaker 1: Draft Day is almost upon us. The Packers have two
Speaker 1: picks in the first round on Thursday as it stands
Speaker 1: right now, number twelve and number thirty. I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: some questions at you, will both sort of throw out
Speaker 1: our own thoughts on this. First off, Brian Goudacuin is
Speaker 1: going into this draft with ten picks. How many players
Speaker 1: do you think he's coming out with. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with nine. Okay, I'm gonna go with ten, But I
Speaker 1: think it's because he's gonna make a couple of trades,
Speaker 1: one up and one back, and he's still gonna end
Speaker 1: up with with ten guys. But I definitely don't see
Speaker 1: him sitting and just picking all ten in those spots.
Speaker 1: My dark horse prediction four picks in the first is
Speaker 1: that what we have four in the first One of
Speaker 1: those picks, somewhere along the line they move up. I
Speaker 1: don't know if could be the first round, second to
Speaker 1: the third round pick, but I think they do some
Speaker 1: flexibility there to go get a player. Okay, number twelve
Speaker 1: is the first one um theoretically where the Packers will
Speaker 1: be on the clock. What do you do you have
Speaker 1: any anybody in mind in particular that you think there's
Speaker 1: a good chance will be there and a good chance
Speaker 1: that Brian Gudacunst will take this player, or what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts just in general right now on the number
Speaker 1: twelve pick. It's a great question because I'm sure you'll
Speaker 1: probably ask you about the thirty pick two. I think
Speaker 1: the options, I mean, I guess it's somewhat it's it's
Speaker 1: a no brainer, but the options are going to be
Speaker 1: better at twelve than thirty. I think thirty it's to
Speaker 1: me really really cluttered in terms of who falls to
Speaker 1: that spot. But at twelve, I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: really gonna depend on three frack factors. Is there a
Speaker 1: run on quarterbacks? Does somebody after Kyler Murray comes off
Speaker 1: the board wherever that is, Is there people that want
Speaker 1: to go up and get Dwayne Haskins and get Drew Locker?
Speaker 1: Do those guys fault? That's question number one? Question number
Speaker 1: two is how high the skill position players go? T
Speaker 1: J Hockinson, where does he go? Um? You know, is
Speaker 1: there someone else that makes a run on maybe a
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf or something after we heard, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: late first round for him. We know how quickly that
Speaker 1: can change. In the question. It's the biggest one, and
Speaker 1: we addressed it on our previous show, Montes Sweat. Does
Speaker 1: he where does he fall? Even a guy now like
Speaker 1: Rashan Gary out of Michigan with I believe the shoulder
Speaker 1: issue that he's dealing with, Now, how do people weigh
Speaker 1: that out? In my opinion, I think offensive line is
Speaker 1: probably gonna have the most options there for the Packers.
Speaker 1: I think there could be a couple of solid defensive
Speaker 1: line prospects. The rest of them are all basically single positions, right,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I can't imagine Devin White's gonna
Speaker 1: be there, So is Devin Bush there? Um, you know
Speaker 1: you look at who else? I want to talk Brian
Speaker 1: Burns with him being at fourteen on a lot of
Speaker 1: people's boards, probably in that range. Uh, Cleland Ferrell just uh.
Speaker 1: I think the bulk of the positions are offensive defensive line.
Speaker 1: But you would imagine that one of those top players
Speaker 1: at those other positions will be available too. But who
Speaker 1: that is I think we're gonna find out on Thursday night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a little bit
Speaker 1: of a limb here because you know me, I'm not
Speaker 1: big into predictions, but the fans always want to know
Speaker 1: what do we think? What are we predicting? All right?
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go back my initial thoughts, the first thought,
Speaker 1: and I said this to you the day that we
Speaker 1: got all that news of all the free agents that
Speaker 1: Brian Goodacunt signed at the start of free agency. My
Speaker 1: mind in the draft, immediately after signing two outside linebackers
Speaker 1: for the defense and a starting safety, my might immediately
Speaker 1: went to Devon White l s U. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's going to be there at twelve either, and
Speaker 1: I don't really think that Goodakoots is going to trade
Speaker 1: up from twelve and spend the draft capital that it
Speaker 1: would take to move up from there. That's just my
Speaker 1: gut feelings. So what I'm gonna say is maybe the
Speaker 1: guy is Devon Bush at twelve, the other Devon the
Speaker 1: other inside linebacker before. According to all the experts, there
Speaker 1: is a huge drop off in terms of the inside
Speaker 1: linebacker talent. The two Devons are the guys that are
Speaker 1: being talked about his first rounders. So I think I
Speaker 1: just have a gut feeling that's a strong possibility The
Speaker 1: other thing that I that I really do think is
Speaker 1: also a strong possibility anybody in that defensive front seven
Speaker 1: who is there, and as I said the other day
Speaker 1: on the show, offensive line as well. And if if
Speaker 1: say a Jonah Williams from Alabama who is projected as
Speaker 1: a guy who could play guard or tackle in the NFL,
Speaker 1: chance to get him in the top half of the
Speaker 1: first round if he's there, Um, I think that's another
Speaker 1: strong possibility, just because it's the type of versatile, projected,
Speaker 1: versatile lineman that the Packers like to have and like
Speaker 1: to be able to figure out along the way. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I think whoever ends up getting Williams is getting
Speaker 1: a really fine football player that you know is going
Speaker 1: to be able to come along and probably fill a
Speaker 1: spot when one of you know becomes available, and maybe
Speaker 1: fill it for the next ten years after that. Just
Speaker 1: for the sake of you know, being able to make
Speaker 1: a pick. I'll go with Andre dillard Um out of Washington,
Speaker 1: former teammate of Cole Madison with the Cougars. I really
Speaker 1: like him now he doesn't have as much versatility, at
Speaker 1: least projected. He seems more like a tackle bill. But
Speaker 1: I still think you know the packers have some options inside.
Speaker 1: I think one of the big issues from the last
Speaker 1: couple of years is how they're going to handle the
Speaker 1: tackle spot if somebody goes down. Justin mccraiye has done
Speaker 1: an amazing job of being able to fill that. But
Speaker 1: as everybody is sort of talking about for the better
Speaker 1: part of two years, mccraize is not a prototypical tackle.
Speaker 1: So I think you get another guy in the developmental system.
Speaker 1: If Dillard's there, I think he could be really good
Speaker 1: pick for them. Yeah, alrighty. Then the other thing will
Speaker 1: close the show on this. At the end of the
Speaker 1: first round, at number thirty, you said you thought one
Speaker 1: of the first four picks was a spot that Brian
Speaker 1: Goodacoonts might trade up. Um, if I were to if
Speaker 1: I were to pick, if I were to pick one
Speaker 1: of those four, that I think is the most likely
Speaker 1: possibility of a trade up. For some reason, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: it's thirty where there's there might be somebody sitting there
Speaker 1: at six and not talking about a huge jump up,
Speaker 1: but somebody who's sitting there in the mid twenties that
Speaker 1: goodacun says, I really want that guy, and he's just
Speaker 1: not gonna last to number thirty if I sit here,
Speaker 1: so I just and I don't know necess early who
Speaker 1: that player is going to be. It would be hard
Speaker 1: for me to necessarily project that. But um, I think
Speaker 1: if if one of those four picks, first four picks,
Speaker 1: like you said, is the is the trade up spot,
Speaker 1: I think number thirty might be the one that gets
Speaker 1: that where the trade up happen. I gonna give you
Speaker 1: four names as far as thirty could be concerned. The
Speaker 1: first one that jumps out to me is Jeffrey Simmons
Speaker 1: out of Mississippi State. This is a guy, definitely a
Speaker 1: guy to keep an eye on. Came out as a
Speaker 1: true junior. Uh. He could have easily been a top
Speaker 1: ten pick if he didn't tear his A c L
Speaker 1: before the combine, maybe even top five. Said, he's probably
Speaker 1: not gonna play this year. Packers are pretty deep on
Speaker 1: the defensive line yet, so you could actually weather not
Speaker 1: having him this season. But his upside man six four,
Speaker 1: three oh one, This is a guy that I think
Speaker 1: could be a really big disruptive force inside. Kenny Clark
Speaker 1: is going to be a staple in this defense for
Speaker 1: years to come. Brian Goodkin said, it's only a matter
Speaker 1: of time before they pick up his fifth year option.
Speaker 1: You would imagine this next year is going to be
Speaker 1: dedicated to trying to extend Clark, who's only twenty three
Speaker 1: years old and accomplished so much that he already has
Speaker 1: in this league. Simmons could be a guy that you
Speaker 1: could really pair with him at that spot. Dalton Reisener,
Speaker 1: if the Packers don't go offensive line, well, even if
Speaker 1: they who knows what they want to do. But Dalton Reisener,
Speaker 1: and I'll say this again too, I said to you
Speaker 1: at the Combine. I think I've said it on this show.
Speaker 1: Dalton Reisener being part of his press conference at the
Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis. There's just something about his demeanor, the
Speaker 1: way he talks, the way he carries himself that just
Speaker 1: speaks Green Bay Packers offensive lineman. To me, I have
Speaker 1: to think that that he's a good possibility somewhere here
Speaker 1: in the within the first couple of rounds of the draft.
Speaker 1: But you never know how it's gonna fall. Don't He
Speaker 1: kind of remind you of a T. J. Lang type too.
Speaker 1: I mean he comes from a bigger program than you did,
Speaker 1: but a bigger taller guy, but probably could play inside
Speaker 1: if they need him to. It seems like he'd be
Speaker 1: a good fit for the system that they want to run.
Speaker 1: That that there's definitely reminders of a guy like t
Speaker 1: J when you when you get to know Riisener the
Speaker 1: other two I want to touch a really quick Marquis
Speaker 1: Brown is more of a slot type receiver out of Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: very dynamic, only five nine, So I don't know what
Speaker 1: we would find, maybe something out about how Brian Goodkins
Speaker 1: feels about guys that are that small, but but a
Speaker 1: really dynamic football player I think is going to help
Speaker 1: a team at the next level. And then finally, just
Speaker 1: to close on Nasir Adderly, I did a pick in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville yesterday for some station in Jacksonville, and ader was
Speaker 1: actually the one draft draft. Adderly was actually the one
Speaker 1: I picked at thirty because it was just a ridiculous
Speaker 1: board before that, like people got overdrafted, there were quarterbacks falling.
Speaker 1: It didn't really make any sense. But Adderly, we've talked
Speaker 1: about him ad nauseum at this point, but a very
Speaker 1: big playmaker could help them settle down the safety spot.
Speaker 1: The Packers at this point in time, with the way
Speaker 1: that Mike Patton wants to use safeties, you probably need
Speaker 1: to be three or four deep. They're adding another guy
Speaker 1: like Adderley I think could really help them, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if he'd be available at forty four, so
Speaker 1: it could also be an option at thirty. Alright, well,
Speaker 1: with that, we will sign off on this edition of
Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted because we've got three really busy days of
Speaker 1: work ahead of us. But it is the highlight of
Speaker 1: the offseason the upcoming NFL Draft, and will go from there.
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