1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside the one and only 3 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: wes Hodkuwits were coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field West, our final show here before the 5 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen NFL Draft, And we'll get to some 6 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: final thoughts on the draft a little bit later in 7 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: the show. But first I want to touch on the 8 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: voluntary veteran minicamp that is going on here this week 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: at It's actually taking place across the street at the 10 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: Don Hudson Center. A couple of practices, the first time 11 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: for Matt Lafleur his coaching staff to take the players 12 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: out onto the field. Some real basic installation type of 13 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: things going on, particularly on offense with the brand new playbook. 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: But I think the interesting thing that we got a 15 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: sense of yesterday when Matt Lafleur spoke with the media 16 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: after practice is the the tone, the vibe that he's 17 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: trying to set with the two thousand nineteen Packers. Because 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: you know how it is West. You've been here a 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: few years now, I've been here going on thirteen years. 20 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: You walk around this building, you can't escape the history. 21 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: The Packers Hall of Fame is right there on the 22 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: main floor of the atrium you walk around in the 23 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: team facilities, there's murals on the wall representing all these 24 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: iconic moments at lambeau Field. You have all of the 25 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: Hall of Famers and and the championship banners and all 26 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff. So you can't escape the history. 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: But one thing Matt Lafleur is really trying to stress 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: with his players and some of the changes that he 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: made to the esthetics around the team meeting room and 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: things like that, is there's a respect and a difference 31 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: for history, but it's time to make your own history. 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Don't get too caught up in the past. Look forward. 33 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: And I want to just recite this because as soon 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: as the floor said it during the news and immediately 35 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: is something that resonated me, like, you know what, I 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: think that's sort of a landmark statement he made. He 37 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: said when he comes to the Green Bay Packers. Obviously 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: you respect tradition, the history, but for us in this 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: football team, it's about making history. Will always pick credit 40 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: and respect to what's been done in the past, but 41 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: for us, it's moving forward. So I thought that was 42 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: a really interesting thing, he said, because it was basically 43 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: it came after a question about all the changes that 44 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: have been made around maybe not the building per se, 45 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: if you're a fan coming here, but around the player facilities, 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: the different lighting, the murals, the sayings that have been 47 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: put up, and really just an embodiment of what this 48 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: organization is, not only historically in the past hundred seasons, 49 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: but now one on one on one and moving forward. 50 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: And I think that message has really resonated with the guys. 51 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: Obviously Aaron Rodgers spoke a little bit about that at 52 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: his locker on Tuesday, but then even Tremon Williams mentioning 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: just a new energy man and just just a feeling 54 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: a fresh snus. I think sometimes that's what you need, 55 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: especially when you come off to back to back losing 56 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: seasons like the Packers have done. You need something to 57 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: give these guys a spark, not only in November, not 58 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: only on September five, but right now in the heart 59 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: of April as you're starting to establish your team. I 60 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: don't want to say culture because that seems like it's 61 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: almost become an overplayed cliche at this point, but it 62 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: is about making your own mark, and I think Matt Lafleur, 63 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: in his own way, first time stepping into a head 64 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: coaches chair, has really done that well. And I think 65 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: he's recognizing the fact that he has an opportunity to 66 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: capitalize on a significant amount of hunger in that locker 67 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: room because when you look at it, West, there are 68 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: only four players in that locker room. We have won 69 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, Aaron Rodgers, Mason Crosby, Brian Bulaga it 70 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: was his rookie year two thousand and ten, obviously, and 71 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: Tremont Williams. The rest of the locker room. And even 72 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: when you're talking about accomplished veterans like Jimmy Graham and 73 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: Marcedes Lewis, they haven't won Super Bowls, you know. So 74 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: you have that dynamic out in in the locker room. 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: It's been there for a couple of years. But now 76 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: a new coach coming in, new coaching staff, a lot 77 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: of freshness, a lot of newness to everything. Mike Petton 78 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: in year two with his defense, there's a there's a 79 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: mentality to capitalize on. I think that's what Matt Lafleur 80 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: is trying to accomplish. Yeah, and and the other thing 81 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: he said too. Is he really he loves this these guys, 82 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: he loves that locker room. He's already gotten a really 83 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: good response in terms of their energy level. This is 84 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: a place that is accustomed to winning, has gotten used 85 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: to winning. Even the two thousand and sixteen draft class 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: played in an NFC championship game. They know what it's 87 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: like to be in the final four, they know what 88 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: it's like to be in the playoffs, and they want 89 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: to get back to that level. So everybody's buying in 90 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: that regard. This is the vision, this is the plan, 91 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: this is what's going to take us back to that 92 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: promised land. And right now, a very unique opportunity for 93 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: the team this week voluntary mini camps. It seemed like, 94 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: guys are here dust till dawn right now, an opportunity 95 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: seems you know, we haven't had a chance to get 96 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: on the practice field yet. It seems like a tending 97 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: This was really good for this week. Veterans, young players alike, 98 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: and obviously trying to put that next foot forward before 99 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: they jumped back into phase two of the off season 100 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: program next week. Yeah. Well, another bit of news that 101 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: came out of the first day of practice. Um, well, 102 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: we were aware of the news that Cole Madison, the 103 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: fifth round draft pick offensive lineman from Washington State, was 104 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: back with the team. He showed up for the first 105 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: day of offseason workouts a couple of weeks ago after 106 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: taking essentially taking the year off last year, and he 107 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: spoke to the media for the first time. And you 108 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: wrote a really nice story on our website. Certainly folks 109 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: can check that out. I think the uh the primary 110 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: message that Madison was trying to get across or maybe 111 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: two things. One, he had some personal mental health type 112 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: issues that he needed to take care of and to 113 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: he really appreciated the Packers giving them time and the 114 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: space to do that, and now he's going to come 115 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: back and try to get his NFL career started. Yeah, 116 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny because sometimes I think we 117 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: get into such regimented schedule right where whether it's your 118 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: work life, your personal life, school, whatever you're going through, 119 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: you just almost get programmed. Right. You wake up in 120 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: the morning, you got to get the kids to school, 121 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: you're in here, and you're off with your day. But 122 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: I thought it was really important one thing Cole Madison 123 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: really said and that football really didn't matter if he 124 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: couldn't get his personal life squared away. And obviously there 125 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: was that quote saying that, you know, if he didn't 126 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: get all of his you know, chickens in a row, 127 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't know if he'd even be here, right. 128 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's that kind of thing, and 129 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: it's something a lot of people deal with, and there 130 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: obviously is a negative stigma attached to mental health. It's 131 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 1: something I think people are still fighting in two thousand 132 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: nineteen against. But as he said, you know, for a big, 133 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: strong guy six ft five pounds like him, it needed 134 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: to be him going out and getting help, talking with 135 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: a counselor being able to express some of these things. 136 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: He mentioned his family was an absolute bedrock for him. 137 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of things have happened in the last 138 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: couple of years. Washington State quarterback Tyler Helenski, a guy 139 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: that was very close with him, he obviously, um you know, 140 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 1: committed suicide in January of two thousand and eighteen. Madison 141 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: said that wasn't actually the thing that sort of led 142 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: to all this. He said he'd been dealing with this 143 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: for for a long time before that. But the thing 144 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: he learned the most from that is that those two 145 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: were as close as friends could be. Yeah, Helensky didn't 146 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: know what Madison was dealing with, and Madison didn't know 147 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: what his friend was dealing with. So to have that 148 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: kind of open dialogue and discourse. The organization stood by 149 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: him a hundred and ten percent. They understood there's something 150 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: bigger at play here than this game, this profession, and 151 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: he needed to take that year to do that. He 152 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: also mentioned it was about the end of last year 153 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: he started to get that itch again to play football. 154 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: He felt he was in a much better place mentally, 155 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: and as he said, the Packers had his back during 156 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: that time and now he wants to have theirs. Yeah, 157 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: and I give him a lot of credit for, you know, 158 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: walking in first day of practice so to speak. The 159 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: first day the media is in the locker room and 160 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: and he walked out kind of dealt with the hoard. 161 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: Everybody has these questions they want to ask, they want 162 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: to try to understand what was going on, and uh, um, 163 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, he's he's very sharp, he's very well spoken, 164 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: and uh you know, bottom line is he looks like 165 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: he's in a good place and regardless of what happens 166 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: with football, I mean taking a year off and everything. 167 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, who knows what that's gonna mean in the 168 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: long run here first football career. But but the most 169 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: important thing is Cole Madison looks like he's back to 170 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: being the Cole Madison that that we first met when 171 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: when he was drafted and came in for the rookie 172 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: minicamp last year. And uh and that's a great thing 173 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: to see. He mentioned too. I mean, it was the 174 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: first time recently, it's been the first time a long time. 175 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: He wakes up, he feels like himself again. He doesn't 176 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: have those negative dark thoughts kind of creeping up in 177 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: his mind. He's able to you know, sort of see 178 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: the great things in life and in football is something 179 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: that always really mattered to him. He didn't watch it 180 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: last year. He basically toned, you know, tuned out from it. 181 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: But he still loved the sport and he came back 182 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: in great physical condition. He mentioned, you know, he thinks 183 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: is obviously there's he has to get back in football 184 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,359 Speaker 1: shape and get you know, get some you know, contact, 185 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: But his conditioning is fine. He feels like he's basically 186 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: in the same ballpark as far as his weight is concerned. Um, 187 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: the only thing that looks different is the long hairs go. 188 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: And as Aaron Rodgers said, that actually was something that 189 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: he caught him off guard at first. He didn't quite 190 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: recognize him because you go back and look at the 191 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: photos from last year when he was here for the 192 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: offseason program, long, very distinctive. Look. For sure, he's got 193 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: the slick back sort of deal going on. Um. But 194 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: but be that as it made that. The thing I 195 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: really do like about Madison is once he made the 196 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: decision last year that he wasn't going to come back 197 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: for training camp, I don't see at all from the 198 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: Packers perspective, from his perspective, the need to push it 199 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: to come back. You know how difficult that can be 200 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: if you miss camp for injury or whatever reason. Trying, 201 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: especially as a rookie to jump back in the fray. 202 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: It's not easy. And who knows if he would have 203 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: done that where his own mindset was at for him 204 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: to be able to sort of just reset come back. 205 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: And now from the Packers perspective, they got end draft picks, 206 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: and now they got a fifth rounder from last year 207 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: coming in. It almost is like having an extra pick 208 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: in there and some more competition. For that outside or 209 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: you should say that offensive line room. He mentioned he 210 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: played bolths center and I think it was guard actually 211 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: in practice on Tuesday, kind of stretching his versatility a 212 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: little bit there too, after he started for a better 213 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: part of three years, I think at right tackle UM 214 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: and at Washington State. Yeah, well we'll see how We'll 215 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: see how things unfold from here. You mentioned obviously the 216 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: draft is coming up. I do want to get to 217 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: a few more thoughts on that. 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How many players 235 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: do you think he's coming out with. I'm gonna go 236 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: with nine. Okay, I'm gonna go with ten, But I 237 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: think it's because he's gonna make a couple of trades, 238 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: one up and one back, and he's still gonna end 239 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: up with with ten guys. But I definitely don't see 240 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: him sitting and just picking all ten in those spots. 241 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: My dark horse prediction four picks in the first is 242 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: that what we have four in the first One of 243 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: those picks, somewhere along the line they move up. I 244 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: don't know if could be the first round, second to 245 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: the third round pick, but I think they do some 246 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: flexibility there to go get a player. Okay, number twelve 247 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: is the first one um theoretically where the Packers will 248 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: be on the clock. What do you do you have 249 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: any anybody in mind in particular that you think there's 250 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: a good chance will be there and a good chance 251 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: that Brian Gudacunst will take this player, or what are 252 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: your thoughts just in general right now on the number 253 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: twelve pick. It's a great question because I'm sure you'll 254 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: probably ask you about the thirty pick two. I think 255 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: the options, I mean, I guess it's somewhat it's it's 256 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: a no brainer, but the options are going to be 257 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: better at twelve than thirty. I think thirty it's to 258 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: me really really cluttered in terms of who falls to 259 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: that spot. But at twelve, I mean, I think it's 260 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: really gonna depend on three frack factors. Is there a 261 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: run on quarterbacks? Does somebody after Kyler Murray comes off 262 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: the board wherever that is, Is there people that want 263 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: to go up and get Dwayne Haskins and get Drew Locker? 264 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: Do those guys fault? That's question number one? Question number 265 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: two is how high the skill position players go? T 266 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: J Hockinson, where does he go? Um? You know, is 267 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: there someone else that makes a run on maybe a 268 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf or something after we heard, you know, maybe 269 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: late first round for him. We know how quickly that 270 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: can change. In the question. It's the biggest one, and 271 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: we addressed it on our previous show, Montes Sweat. Does 272 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: he where does he fall? Even a guy now like 273 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: Rashan Gary out of Michigan with I believe the shoulder 274 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: issue that he's dealing with, Now, how do people weigh 275 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: that out? In my opinion, I think offensive line is 276 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: probably gonna have the most options there for the Packers. 277 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: I think there could be a couple of solid defensive 278 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: line prospects. The rest of them are all basically single positions, right, 279 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: I mean I don't I can't imagine Devin White's gonna 280 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: be there, So is Devin Bush there? Um, you know 281 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: you look at who else? I want to talk Brian 282 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: Burns with him being at fourteen on a lot of 283 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: people's boards, probably in that range. Uh, Cleland Ferrell just uh. 284 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: I think the bulk of the positions are offensive defensive line. 285 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: But you would imagine that one of those top players 286 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: at those other positions will be available too. But who 287 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: that is I think we're gonna find out on Thursday night. Yeah, 288 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a little bit 289 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: of a limb here because you know me, I'm not 290 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: big into predictions, but the fans always want to know 291 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: what do we think? What are we predicting? All right? 292 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go back my initial thoughts, the first thought, 293 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: and I said this to you the day that we 294 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: got all that news of all the free agents that 295 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: Brian Goodacunt signed at the start of free agency. My 296 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: mind in the draft, immediately after signing two outside linebackers 297 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: for the defense and a starting safety, my might immediately 298 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: went to Devon White l s U. Now, I don't 299 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: think he's going to be there at twelve either, and 300 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: I don't really think that Goodakoots is going to trade 301 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: up from twelve and spend the draft capital that it 302 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: would take to move up from there. That's just my 303 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: gut feelings. So what I'm gonna say is maybe the 304 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: guy is Devon Bush at twelve, the other Devon the 305 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: other inside linebacker before. According to all the experts, there 306 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: is a huge drop off in terms of the inside 307 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: linebacker talent. The two Devons are the guys that are 308 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: being talked about his first rounders. So I think I 309 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: just have a gut feeling that's a strong possibility The 310 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: other thing that I that I really do think is 311 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: also a strong possibility anybody in that defensive front seven 312 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: who is there, and as I said the other day 313 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: on the show, offensive line as well. And if if 314 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: say a Jonah Williams from Alabama who is projected as 315 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: a guy who could play guard or tackle in the NFL, 316 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: chance to get him in the top half of the 317 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: first round if he's there, Um, I think that's another 318 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: strong possibility, just because it's the type of versatile, projected, 319 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: versatile lineman that the Packers like to have and like 320 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: to be able to figure out along the way. Absolutely, 321 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: And I think whoever ends up getting Williams is getting 322 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: a really fine football player that you know is going 323 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: to be able to come along and probably fill a 324 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: spot when one of you know becomes available, and maybe 325 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: fill it for the next ten years after that. Just 326 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: for the sake of you know, being able to make 327 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: a pick. I'll go with Andre dillard Um out of Washington, 328 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: former teammate of Cole Madison with the Cougars. I really 329 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: like him now he doesn't have as much versatility, at 330 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: least projected. He seems more like a tackle bill. But 331 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: I still think you know the packers have some options inside. 332 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: I think one of the big issues from the last 333 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: couple of years is how they're going to handle the 334 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: tackle spot if somebody goes down. Justin mccraiye has done 335 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: an amazing job of being able to fill that. But 336 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: as everybody is sort of talking about for the better 337 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: part of two years, mccraize is not a prototypical tackle. 338 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: So I think you get another guy in the developmental system. 339 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: If Dillard's there, I think he could be really good 340 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: pick for them. Yeah, alrighty. Then the other thing will 341 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: close the show on this. At the end of the 342 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: first round, at number thirty, you said you thought one 343 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: of the first four picks was a spot that Brian 344 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: Goodacoonts might trade up. Um, if I were to if 345 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: I were to pick, if I were to pick one 346 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: of those four, that I think is the most likely 347 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: possibility of a trade up. For some reason, I'm thinking 348 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: it's thirty where there's there might be somebody sitting there 349 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: at six and not talking about a huge jump up, 350 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: but somebody who's sitting there in the mid twenties that 351 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: goodacun says, I really want that guy, and he's just 352 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: not gonna last to number thirty if I sit here, 353 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: so I just and I don't know necess early who 354 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: that player is going to be. It would be hard 355 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: for me to necessarily project that. But um, I think 356 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: if if one of those four picks, first four picks, 357 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: like you said, is the is the trade up spot, 358 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: I think number thirty might be the one that gets 359 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: that where the trade up happen. I gonna give you 360 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: four names as far as thirty could be concerned. The 361 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: first one that jumps out to me is Jeffrey Simmons 362 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: out of Mississippi State. This is a guy, definitely a 363 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: guy to keep an eye on. Came out as a 364 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: true junior. Uh. He could have easily been a top 365 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: ten pick if he didn't tear his A c L 366 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: before the combine, maybe even top five. Said, he's probably 367 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: not gonna play this year. Packers are pretty deep on 368 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: the defensive line yet, so you could actually weather not 369 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: having him this season. But his upside man six four, 370 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: three oh one, This is a guy that I think 371 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: could be a really big disruptive force inside. Kenny Clark 372 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: is going to be a staple in this defense for 373 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: years to come. Brian Goodkin said, it's only a matter 374 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: of time before they pick up his fifth year option. 375 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: You would imagine this next year is going to be 376 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: dedicated to trying to extend Clark, who's only twenty three 377 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 1: years old and accomplished so much that he already has 378 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: in this league. Simmons could be a guy that you 379 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: could really pair with him at that spot. Dalton Reisener, 380 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: if the Packers don't go offensive line, well, even if 381 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: they who knows what they want to do. But Dalton Reisener, 382 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: and I'll say this again too, I said to you 383 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: at the Combine. I think I've said it on this show. 384 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: Dalton Reisener being part of his press conference at the 385 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis. There's just something about his demeanor, the 386 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: way he talks, the way he carries himself that just 387 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: speaks Green Bay Packers offensive lineman. To me, I have 388 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: to think that that he's a good possibility somewhere here 389 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: in the within the first couple of rounds of the draft. 390 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: But you never know how it's gonna fall. Don't He 391 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: kind of remind you of a T. J. Lang type too. 392 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean he comes from a bigger program than you did, 393 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: but a bigger taller guy, but probably could play inside 394 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: if they need him to. It seems like he'd be 395 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: a good fit for the system that they want to run. 396 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: That that there's definitely reminders of a guy like t 397 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: J when you when you get to know Riisener the 398 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: other two I want to touch a really quick Marquis 399 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: Brown is more of a slot type receiver out of Oklahoma, 400 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: very dynamic, only five nine, So I don't know what 401 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: we would find, maybe something out about how Brian Goodkins 402 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: feels about guys that are that small, but but a 403 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: really dynamic football player I think is going to help 404 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: a team at the next level. And then finally, just 405 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: to close on Nasir Adderly, I did a pick in 406 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: Jacksonville yesterday for some station in Jacksonville, and ader was 407 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: actually the one draft draft. Adderly was actually the one 408 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: I picked at thirty because it was just a ridiculous 409 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: board before that, like people got overdrafted, there were quarterbacks falling. 410 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: It didn't really make any sense. But Adderly, we've talked 411 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: about him ad nauseum at this point, but a very 412 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: big playmaker could help them settle down the safety spot. 413 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: The Packers at this point in time, with the way 414 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: that Mike Patton wants to use safeties, you probably need 415 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: to be three or four deep. They're adding another guy 416 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: like Adderley I think could really help them, and I 417 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: don't know if he'd be available at forty four, so 418 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: it could also be an option at thirty. Alright, well, 419 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: with that, we will sign off on this edition of 420 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted because we've got three really busy days of 421 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: work ahead of us. But it is the highlight of 422 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: the offseason the upcoming NFL Draft, and will go from there. 423 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: Be sure to like us on iTunes, subscribe to the 424 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: podcast if you get a chance, and also you can 425 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: follow him on Twitter at west Hot I am at 426 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thank you 427 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: for tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.