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Speaker 1: The volume. This week's Crunch Time performer, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by McDonald's new Buffalo Ranch Sauce, is Jonathan Taylor. Wow

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Speaker 1: was he great? Went to Berlin, carried the Colts on

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Speaker 1: his back two hundred and forty four rushing yards, three touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: and the Colts wild come from behind overtime went over

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Speaker 1: the Falcons. Taylor's performance was satisfying, just like the first

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Speaker 1: spite of the bacon, creamy Buffalo MA crispy all right,

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Speaker 1: sharpest young boys in college football, Josh Paate. I love

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Speaker 1: having him on. I got to tell you, through the years,

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Speaker 1: when I talked to most of my sources aren't players

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Speaker 1: or coaches. They've always been executives. Because I probably absurdly

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Speaker 1: of Oa's fashion myself is, if I didn't do this,

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Speaker 1: I'd want to be a GM, not a coach, not

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Speaker 1: a player. I like all the architecture of building stuff,

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Speaker 1: and when you talk to them about players. I remember

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Speaker 1: when Josh Allen came out of Wyoming and I would

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Speaker 1: talk to gms and they're like, Okay, did you see

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Speaker 1: the throw against You know it wasn't against Oregon or Iowa.

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Speaker 1: There's a throw and it was It's remarkable how often

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Speaker 1: it's a play, a moment, a drive, and a scout

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Speaker 1: goes Okay. The Penn State game for Sam Darnold at

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Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl, that's the one everybody went, whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 1: this is this is different Fernando Mendoza. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: he was going to go to Yale. He settled on

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Speaker 1: col So the kids obviously in Indiana's a good school.

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Speaker 1: So we know he's got brain power. We know he's

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Speaker 1: six five, we know all that stuff. That last drive

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Speaker 2: Face.

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Speaker 1: The defense made three throws, the one in the back

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Speaker 1: Sunday player. That's not normal. That's Herbert at Oregon, you know,

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Speaker 1: carrying average people around him. Not average. But cause I

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Speaker 1: think I think Indiana's got good players. They don't have

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Speaker 1: Ohio State guys. Maybe, But I watched that drive and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, he has to come out. That's the

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Speaker 1: number one player in college football. I don't care about

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Speaker 1: Ohio State's linebackers and corners. That's the impression it had

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Speaker 2: I thought it was there are very few moments like this,

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Speaker 2: but I was watching it in an airport. First off,

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Speaker 2: seeing a big sporting moment, seeing a big football moment

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Speaker 2: in an airport, it's always unique because it's really a

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Speaker 2: unique setting and you're not there often if you cover

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Speaker 2: the game. So that was number one, was just to

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Speaker 2: take away of how surreal it is that Wow, the

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Speaker 2: entire world's fixated on Indiana football in this moment. I

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Speaker 2: thought it was one of those moments where you see

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Speaker 2: someone come of age, like you know someone's got potential

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, it just happens. And

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's just a moment, like sometimes guys just hit

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Speaker 2: a lucky shot or make a lucky throw, but it's rare.

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Speaker 2: You don't get lucky three times like that on the

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Speaker 2: same drive. It's something that's in you. It's potential you have.

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Speaker 2: And it's not that he hasn't shown flashes. If you're

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Speaker 2: paying attention to college football, he knew about him. If

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Speaker 2: you're paying attention to the Mott drafts, you know about him.

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Speaker 2: But you've been waiting for that. Okay, So like thought

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Speaker 2: you were talking about scouting there. I've always sort of

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Speaker 2: disagreed with the approach of boiling down a player in

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Speaker 2: best and the worst off and take what's in the middle,

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Speaker 2: and that's the player, and that's hundreds and hundreds and

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Speaker 2: hundreds of plays. But with Mendoza, he's lesser known to

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Speaker 2: the general public. You just I guarantee you there's a

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Speaker 2: whole army of college football fans out there that know

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Speaker 2: the name Fernando Mendoza and they know he's the quarterback

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Speaker 2: in Indiana. They probably hadn't even watched him a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: That was when they saw him, and that that matters

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Speaker 2: for your Heisman crowd, But that also matters for that

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Speaker 2: thirty eight to ten, like A and M just went

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Speaker 2: to do on that Saturday what Fernando Mendoza did, and

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Speaker 2: go back to Oregon. Last year, Oregon just goes wire

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Speaker 2: they just get drug And that was the first time

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Speaker 2: I'm never going to be in a major college football

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Speaker 2: like to look in the mirror. Man as him, Just

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Speaker 2: look in the mirror. Everyone's been talking you up. But

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Speaker 2: sometimes there can be a little imposter syndrome, there can

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Speaker 2: that with him anymore. It was amazing to watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a great second half. Penn State marched up and

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Speaker 1: You know. The this weekend Oklahoma Bama, I like Bama, Iowa,

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Speaker 1: twenty six either way. Iowa was a tough matchup on USC, Texas, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Kaylen de Bor. That's all

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Speaker 1: that's the greatest handoff in the history of college football.

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Speaker 1: a winning guy. And Kaylen de boor Sioux falls, Fresno State,

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Speaker 1: punished because everybody thought Nick handed him a Rolls Royce

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Speaker 1: It wasn't as dominant as it was two years earlier.

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Speaker 1: So if you watch Bama and you watch Kaylan de

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Speaker 1: Miss Oklahoma. George Obama, what do you make of Kaelin

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Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of the doubt and the criticism

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Speaker 2: was just folks wanting Alabama to fall off. It's been

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Speaker 2: there's some of it where people are kind of wish casting,

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Speaker 2: they're hoping that they're right about doubting Kaylen de Bor.

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Speaker 2: And then there was another crowd that just flat out,

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Speaker 2: you know, thought that he took, like you said, a

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Speaker 2: seamless baton handoff and it should be full stride in

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Speaker 2: any kind of fall off, any kind of looking at

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Speaker 2: That indicates that he's an impost. And then you get

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Speaker 2: to backfill with all these pre cooked theories people have

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Speaker 2: you can't recruit here, and how's he going to recruit Alabama?

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Speaker 2: And he didn't know this place, he didn't know the culture.

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Speaker 2: So you know, the same stuff they said about Brian

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Speaker 2: Kelly ended up being valid not because he wasn't from

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Speaker 2: yet they're still scaling their offense despite not being able

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Speaker 2: I would say about him if I were promoting him

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Speaker 2: this week, Colin a year ago they were in the

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Speaker 2: They get their doors blown off, blown off. That was

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Speaker 2: out how oil and water that building had been. Some

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Speaker 2: he walked in, and I want to remind everyone he

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Speaker 2: walked in. It the weirdest possible time maybe in the

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Speaker 2: recent history of college athletics, because he takes the job.

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Speaker 2: Saban retires and it was weird, like an early January

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Speaker 2: portal opens for thirty days, but they can't take They

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Speaker 2: up as best you can't. Julian saying, was there by

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Speaker 2: then you go through spring ball and I remember talking

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Speaker 2: when you really want to get down guy's throats and

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Speaker 2: you want to try and install as much culture as

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Speaker 2: you can, they could just leave. There's a post spring

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Speaker 2: portal window and they could bail on you. These aren't

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Speaker 2: your players. You didn't recruit them. How are you going

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Speaker 2: And even then, like you get to the fall and

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Speaker 2: don't know anything about the upcoming season, I just told you,

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Speaker 2: all right, Colin Texas Georgia is gonna be a big

428
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Speaker 2: time games second week of November. I'm guaranteeing you the

429
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Speaker 2: game is going to come down to quarterback play. How

430
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Speaker 2: would you have felt about that edge wise in July,

431
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Speaker 2: because I think that's how the game boils down. And

432
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Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to go the way on

433
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Speaker 2: that answer that we would have in July unless we

434
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Speaker 2: think the sample size from the last couple of games

435
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Speaker 2: of arch Manning is a sign that that thing that

436
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Speaker 2: you hope happens in week one is finally happening. But

437
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 2: it's happening in week twelve. Now. If it is, Texas

438
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 2: can go in there, because Texas pressures the quarterback way

439
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: more than Georgia does. So gun Stockton's got a bigger

440
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: hill to climb here then Texas does and arch Manning does.

441
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 2: But if that thing that seems to happen every year

442
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Speaker 2: in November with some player where he just finally finds

443
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Speaker 2: his group, if that's happening with arch Manning, the most

444
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: important thing in this game is tackles in space, in

445
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: yards after catch. I think it was Matt Vogel. You

446
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: want to get proper credit. I think it was Matt Vogel.

447
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: I saw that put out a stat that these two

448
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are number one and number two in the league

449
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 2: and passes behind the line of scrimmage, which stands to reason.

450
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: They recruit great athletes. They want to get the ball

451
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Speaker 2: to him quick, get it in space, make someone miss.

452
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: So that's probably where this game gets decided. I just

453
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: wonder to myself, I watched Texas get two shots at

454
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Speaker 2: Georgia last year and they get physically just bent twice.

455
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Speaker 2: Not supposed to happen when you recruit and developed like Texas.

456
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: It was a very very big pride shot I thought

457
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Speaker 2: for them. Yeah, And so you know, they're eleven and

458
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: three in conference games since joining the league. Two of

459
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Speaker 2: the losses were last year to Georgia, and now they

460
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Speaker 2: get another shot at them. And the reason I'm leaning

461
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Speaker 2: Georgia in the game is I can make you a

462
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Speaker 2: case for Texas. I just think at some point as

463
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Speaker 2: a staff, you got to show me, like, as the

464
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Speaker 2: overall MO of a program, I know what Georgia and

465
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Speaker 2: Kirby is I never have to question that.

466
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Speaker 1: That's right.

467
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Speaker 2: It's crazy that you think to yourself, or I think

468
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Speaker 2: to myself. This far into the sark tenure, there's still

469
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Speaker 2: a lot we haven't figured out about what Steve Sarkesian's

470
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Speaker 2: Texas is. That's why knights like that are so important

471
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Speaker 2: this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I think that's perfectly put and it's really interesting. Mac

473
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Speaker 1: Brown's teams I think had a better identity. Sometimes Texas

474
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: can be pretty. They can be pretty. I've said this

475
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Speaker 1: when USC and Texas played. I was at that game.

476
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Speaker 1: That was the most beautiful college football game of all time.

477
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Speaker 1: The sunset, the Rose Bowl, burnt orange, USC, the best

478
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Speaker 1: looking fans.

479
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Speaker 2: I mean it was you had to be at seven

480
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Speaker 2: to even get a ticket to the game.

481
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Speaker 1: It was Everything about the game was beautiful. It wasn't

482
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Speaker 1: the most physical game. It was just beautiful sports. Reggie

483
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Speaker 1: and Leonard and Vince and I've said that before. Maybe

484
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Speaker 1: it's because La is a pretty town in Austin is

485
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: music and food, but there is I know exactly one

486
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Speaker 1: of the first things. The Packers right now are a

487
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Speaker 1: broken team, and I'm like, what are they?

488
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Speaker 2: You know?

489
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Speaker 1: And I look at sarks Texas team, and I my

490
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: take is they're really talented, but I'm not sure exactly

491
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Speaker 1: what they are. And like Marcus Freeman takes over Notre

492
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 1: Dame an hour later, I'm like, oh, they're physical there.

493
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: This is gonna be like an uglier version of Brian's teams.

494
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Speaker 1: They are physical, they seek contact. The backs are like

495
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame has an absolute identity under Marcus Freeman. It

496
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: is smart. I mean, they're always smart, smart, physical, punishing.

497
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Speaker 1: They're gonna they want to run right between the tackles.

498
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Speaker 1: It's yards after contact, it's fight for every yard. I

499
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: don't know what Texas is good, talented, I don't know

500
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Speaker 1: what they are.

501
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Speaker 2: You know, what's totally fair to say about them the

502
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Speaker 2: exact same thing you just said about Lincoln. To this point,

503
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: it's fair to say the same thing about Sark. I

504
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: love the dude to death. I actively pull for him,

505
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: but there is a big difference. I mean, he's a clinician,

506
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: as a play caller, as an offensive mind. There are

507
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Speaker 2: very few that could even hang in a conversation with him.

508
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: But he's not the offensive coordinator alone there, he's the

509
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Speaker 2: head coach, and so you know, I'm looking at everything

510
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 2: that trickles down from the top, and if we're asking

511
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: that question this far in, look, maybe there's still some

512
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 2: development that happens there. I could say the same thing

513
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Speaker 2: about Lincoln. I know, those guys are old relative to

514
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: football minds, and they've been around a while. I mean, look,

515
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: Saban didn't win his first national title until he was

516
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Speaker 2: in his early fifties, and then he won seven of them.

517
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Speaker 2: So it's not the craziest concept that guys may still

518
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Speaker 2: be learning on the job a little bit, no.

519
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Speaker 1: I mean I talked to Tom Telesco as a GM

520
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 1: for the Chargers for years and the Raiders briefly, and

521
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: he said, it's a benefit in the NFL if you

522
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Speaker 1: hire a head coach who's great schematically. He goes to

523
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: Shanahan and Andy, he goes, you're really hiring CEOs. Well,

524
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Speaker 1: it's easier to be a CEO at fifty five than

525
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Speaker 1: forty five, like so much of I mean, Texas is

526
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Speaker 1: a pro job. I mean, especially now with Nil, it's

527
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Speaker 1: like a pro job. I mean you're dealing with is

528
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: It's just a different ballgame than than even USC. Texas

529
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 1: is bigger, and you know, I think you're you're you're learning.

530
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: I think it's like in life, everybody gets better. I

531
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: remember Patrick Mahomes saying the light went on year three

532
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, you were the MVP year two, and

533
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, but everything's slowed down in year three.

534
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: So I think that I think that's I don't even

535
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Speaker 1: think it's a criticism of Sark. I think it's a reality.

536
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: Is he's just getting better at it. So Lane Kifton.

537
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: I've known Lane for a long time and I think

538
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: Lane's smart. I think he's again gotten better and better.

539
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Speaker 1: I made this argument is that you can bounce around

540
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: ole Miss Lsu. You can bounce around they're all. I

541
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Speaker 1: mean these guys these days. If ole Miss can pay ten,

542
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: LSU pays eleven, there's less pressure at ole Miss. I'd stay.

543
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: I'd stay ole Miss. It's Oxford's beautiful that I said.

544
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: I think actually he could be an NFL coach and

545
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: like Harball, he'd walk into the sport for the first

546
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: three years. He knows all these players way better than

547
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: your GM does. Also, like a Miami to because of

548
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: the contractual situation, is going to be your quarterback for

549
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: a year, but you probably got to draft your next quarterback,

550
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: and most of these guys are second round quarterbacks. Well,

551
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: he knows nuss Meyer, and he knows Simpson, he knows

552
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: all these guys. South Carolina kid, he knows all of them.

553
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: So by the second round, nobody's going to know those

554
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: quarterbacks better than Lane Kiffin. He either recruited him, played them,

555
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: played against him. Do you think Lane Kiffin, do you

556
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: think he's considering the NFL?

557
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he is. I think several of them are.

558
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: I think there's some names considering the NFL that would

559
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: totally completely put jaws on the ground if the names

560
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: ever got public. I think these guys are always considering

561
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: the NFL. Now, you'd never get the truth out of

562
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: most of them, but yeah, I mean, look, you know,

563
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: the kind of mentality it takes to succeed at the

564
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: highest level of college football, especially if you specialize on

565
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: a side of the ball, goes hand in hand with

566
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: the kind of mentality that thinks I could win in

567
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: the NFL. I could win on Sundays. I want to

568
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: test myself against the best. I want to see how

569
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: my offense does, and especially with Lane, like you've got

570
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: the Oakland Raiders chapter in his past. You don't think

571
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: he wants to make good on that, dude. Yeah, I'm

572
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: a believer. I'm a believer Saban never did it. I'm

573
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: a believer he wanted to make good on the Miami

574
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 2: Dolphins part, like all of the other extracurriculum that comes

575
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: along with the NFL relative to college. But Yeah, I

576
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: think he would consider it. I think they actively consider

577
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: it all the time. What I don't know, and I

578
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: think this is really what the decision comes down to,

579
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: is what do you personally value the most beyond football?

580
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: Like some guys hate recruiting and they're looking at the

581
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: first exit door to get to the NFL. Right, Others

582
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: they think it's their wheelhouse. They think that's one of

583
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: their strongest suits. They actually love being around young people.

584
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: I will never forget when I was coming out of

585
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: college down in Columbus and I heard you talking about

586
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Parcels one day and you described him as a meatball

587
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: with arms. That is what stuck with me. That is

588
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: what NFL coaches look like relative to college coaches, because

589
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: you're around adults all day instead of younger adults. So

590
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: past that, Yeah, I think he is considering it.

591
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to

592
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: them is the right thing to do. So, you know

593
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: Degree cool Rush deodorant right, Well, last year they changed

594
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: the formula and it did not go over well with

595
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: their fans. So Degrees whole thing is it turns up

596
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort,

597
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: and good thing it does, because cool Rush fans really

598
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: turned up the effort to bring the original formula back.

599
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: One guy even started an online petition and Degree listened.

600
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: They admitted they ft up. They're bringing back the original

601
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly

602
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: how you remember it, cool, crisp and freshness back in Walmart,

603
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: Target and other stores now for under four dollars. There's

604
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: a reason that's been the number one men's anti pursperant

605
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: for the last decade. It's the same reason why people

606
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: were not happy when it changed. So if you've never

607
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: tried it, it might be a good time to see

608
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart,

609
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: Target and try the og degree cool Rush for yourself.

610
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: You know, let me throw this at you. I had

611
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: a really smart guy tell me this, a current college coach,

612
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: and he was talking about ole Miss and the limitations.

613
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: He said, offensive recruits will follow the coach right, They'll

614
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: follow Sark Lane Kaitlin to offensive players. They want to

615
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: know who the coach is, what the system is. Great

616
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: defensive players, they want to go to Georgia, Texas, LSU.

617
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: Not about scheme. I want to get taken care of.

618
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: I want to nil check. I got to play in

619
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: the trenches. That's the limitation of ole Miss. When I

620
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: asked somebody about Old Miss, they said, Lane's always going

621
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: to get offensive guys. He goes. Offensive guys follow the coach.

622
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: Defensive guys don't. He's never gonna have Georgia's defensive personnel.

623
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Speaker 1: He's never gonna have Bamas. He's never gonna have Ohio

624
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: States defensive guys. Go to the big schools. You see

625
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 1: all sorts of great offenses in the history of college football.

626
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: You can go to Hawaii, you go to BYU, you

627
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: can go Indiana and see a lot of the top

628
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: ten college defense.

629
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Speaker 2: Of all time.

630
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Georgia, Bama, LSU, Michigan. And so

631
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: this coach said, Lane knows he's limited. When he faces

632
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: the big dogs in the SEC, He'll have to obscore him.

633
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: He's not stopping them, and so that's just something that's

634
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: something to think about. I thought it was very very wise.

635
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 2: I think it's been taken into consideration. And when you

636
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: do your pros and cons, there's not gonna be a

637
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: clean list under the cons for any of these jobs. Right,

638
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: So that's what you have to ask. But then what

639
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: if you're Lane Kiffin, you have to ask, all right,

640
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Speaker 2: but what state do I reside in? I reside in Mississippi.

641
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 2: The one thing that you're gonna say about Mississippi is

642
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: it pumps out NFL front future NFL front defensive talent

643
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 2: every year. Now, historically they've gone to other schools, but

644
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: that's why it's been, case by case, a nightmare to

645
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: play Mississippi state role miss in certain given years because

646
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: they're just freak shows out of Scuba and Philadelphia and

647
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Columbus and you've never heard of those places Yazoo City, Mississippi,

648
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: but they got future first round NFL draft picks coming

649
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: out of there. I would think to myself, Man, if

650
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: I can keep enough of those guys home, I'm gonna

651
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 2: get the offensive guys. But like you're right, that is

652
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: the case. If I'm representing him and selfishly I want

653
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: him at LSU or I want him at Florida. I

654
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: want him at Florida because I'm saying, dude, they've got

655
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: the track record of offense, like you want Spurrier even

656
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: when Urban was there. The difference is you can get

657
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: the defensive talent down there as well. That's what I'd

658
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: sell him on. Yes, Sark told me this when he

659
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: was at Washington.

660
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: He said, I can get first round receivers and tight

661
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: ends and quarterbacks at Washington, it's defensive tackles. Yeah, you

662
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: can't get him in the Northwest. We just don't. We

663
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: may have one every other year who's an elite defensive tackle,

664
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Speaker 1: and so know that's why, you know, I just think

665
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: it's a reality of even in southern California, as great

666
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: as that state is right now, USC, if you look

667
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: at their interior d line recruiting, there's Texas, there's no

668
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: there's an Oklahoma kid, there's a Texas kid, there's a

669
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: Minnesota kid, and not a lot of LA kids on

670
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: that defensive front. Now, Lemon the receiver lanes from Arizona.

671
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: You know, Mayava. They got in Vegas a running back

672
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: walk on from Calabasas. USC's offensive talent. You know, it's

673
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: a lot of LA kids and West Coast kids. But no,

674
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: I think Lane's a great example of the willingness to

675
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: evolve as a human being. I think Lane today is

676
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: just a much better human being. Not that I know

677
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: him that well, but there were a lot of people

678
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: out on Lane and he went small school one, and

679
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: I think Nick Saban deserves a lot of credit. You know,

680
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: Saban took a beat up Lane and a beat up Sark.

681
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I tell you a lot about Nick Saban.

682
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: Those guys were not They had lost a lot of

683
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: glare in college sports.

684
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: I think. I mean that tw twenty fifteen teen he

685
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: had alone just doing a deep dive on that staff alone.

686
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: Pretty unbelievable at Alabama that Saban had. But I mean,

687
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: I remember when Lane was at Alabama. I remember when

688
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 2: Sark had gotten to Alabama and you're hearing the stories

689
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: behind the scenes and you're thinking to yourself, I mean, like,

690
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 2: one of the greatest magician tricks that I thought about

691
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 2: Nick Saban when I first came to sort of see

692
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: behind the curtain is everyone watched them and they're this

693
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: machine and they're winning and so you think, oh, they're

694
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: free of all the crap that everyone else has to

695
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: deal with, and then you find out there's tons of

696
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: infighting there. All of these coaches are alphas, all of

697
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: these coaches are type a's, and he's just it's like

698
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: herding cats, and he somehow did it. But to do

699
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: what he did for Lane Slash with Lane, to do

700
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: the same thing for Slash with Sark, that's pretty unbelievable.

701
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: But the other part of that is, at some point,

702
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: it don't matter how much someone else is trying to

703
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 2: help you if you don't want to help yourself. So yeah,

704
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: a ton of credit to Nick Saban. Absolutely, it's not

705
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: like Kiffin's having to rediscover himself at Public's like he is.

706
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 2: He is coaching major college football. But at some point

707
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: you got to look in the mirror and realize, I'm

708
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: a full grown adult, like it's up to me. And

709
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: thankfully he did that.

710
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: Finally, what if Ohio State wins the Natty? I think

711
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: their defense is insane. I think it's I mean that

712
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: it's really really good. Well, Hi, you're going to have

713
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: a Michigan, Ohio State, Ohio State. What's going to be

714
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: the feeling in the South. If Ohio State wins third

715
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: straight Big Ten championship, what are we going to say

716
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: in college football?

717
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: Existential crisis? And a lot of people will paint it

718
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: like a lot of people are going to say the

719
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: Big Ten and the SEC. I'll look at it as

720
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: Michigan and Ohio State. That's what I'll look at it as.

721
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: The same way as I always thought it was really

722
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: dumb when South Carolina fans beat their chest and chanted SEC.

723
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: When Bama and LSU or win a national championships, it's

724
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: Bama and LSU and then mix Georgia in. Those are

725
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: the teams winning the national titles. Now, look, I'm not

726
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 2: gonna speak ill of the overall competitive depth of the SEC.

727
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: No one needs to teach me about that. But if

728
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the state of affairs in the SEC, like,

729
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: what does it mean if the Big Ten has the

730
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: best team in the country this year, maybe even one two,

731
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: and then for all we know the SEC has three, four, six, nine,

732
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: and ten, I think it speaks that there's incredible competitive

733
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: balance but also competitive top to bottom in the SEC.

734
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: There are taller mountain peaks in the Big Ten. That's

735
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: not a crazy concept to me, people will make a

736
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: much bigger deal about it than should be made about it.

737
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: What I'll ask is, what kind of praise does Ryan

738
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: Day deserve. We're right in the middle of it, so

739
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 2: this all could be moot. But that guy lost so much,

740
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: and you have Penn State ungodly money to take your

741
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, and what you improved defensively just happened Chip Kelly.

742
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 2: You lose Chip Kelly, and anyone would have taken that job,

743
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: by the way, and you're in a position where you

744
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 2: can promote from within. Uh. It just I cannot speak

745
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: highly enough of the job they've done there. And they're

746
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: playing like their lives are on the line every week,

747
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: the same way sabans Bama teams used to.

748
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: Look. I'll say, Julius say, nobody's talking about him because

749
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: he's not coming out right, he's young, right, And Mendoza

750
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: and Dante More and his conference are getting deserved love.

751
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: And Jaden Mayava, Like the quarterback play in the Big

752
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: Ten since you brought those Pac twelve schools in has

753
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: gone way up very quick. I mean even Mendoz is

754
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: from cal So It's like the one thing the Pac

755
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: twelve brought to the Big ten was quarterback play, like

756
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: it's just better. Julian Sand is something else, right, I

757
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: mean he is really really good. And even if you

758
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: go back to that Texas game in the opener, Arch

759
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: got all the love. It was like Julian just like

760
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean you, even though he was home, It's like

761
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: he's the nervous one. Arch Mannings, as I told you,

762
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving with the Mannings is an event, like Julian Sand

763
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: was like Arch manning Texas National TV where I was like,

764
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: holy shit, that kid is good. He's really really good player.

765
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: I think he was a five star kid too, so

766
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: it's not shocking.

767
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: I think also if you remember back to the spring,

768
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: it was presented in Columbus as this is a legitimate

769
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: quarterback battle. Sometimes they be on quarterback battle, Okay, so

770
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: a lot of times it's not the case. I think

771
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: that was an authentic quarterback battle. It wasn't. It wasn't

772
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: that he was a sure fire three years from now

773
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: first round NFL draft pick kit in spring. But where

774
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: he is is he's sitting there in the most fertile

775
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: developmental soil in college football, and so he's got god

776
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: given ability that's you can match. But he's developed week

777
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 2: over week, Like you can look at the progression. It's

778
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: almost linear, which is a hallmark of the best coaches

779
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: and the best programs. That's why the same ones continue

780
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: to win over and over again. But like week one

781
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: and then week two, in the week six and then

782
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: week nine, and you're looking at him and you're saying, wow,

783
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: And that's the first year of him. They get one more,

784
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: remember the other one or two. But yeah, he's been

785
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: pretty incredible to watch.

786
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, those two receivers, Oh my god,

787
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: I joke there day. Just if you're an NFL GM,

788
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: just draft a wide receiver from Ohio State every year.

789
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: Your depth chart will be fine. Just take only Buck

790
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: Eyes because I mean, Harrison's now playing better and Buka

791
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: is amazing. Jas N's incredible. This Carneal Tait, I mean,

792
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: he's the overshadowed one. He's the two man body, unbelievable hands,

793
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: grip on the football, forceful. Yeah, Ohio State's goods. I mean,

794
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if Indiana could compete. I think Ohio

795
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: State's really good. Josh Pate, the Josh Pate Show, we

796
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: do this every couple of weeks. I can't wait, so

797
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: we both like Bama. I like USC narrowly. I think

798
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: you like USC. I'll take Georgia. We agree there. Hey, Josh,

799
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: tell me about quick Trip. Brother.

800
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: It's my lifeline right now. Fuel and me to every

801
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: single stop that we go on on this tour. In

802
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: the fall, they will fall. Don't lie tour, Quick Trip.

803
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: So the best thing about partnerships is when it organically forms.

804
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: You know, when someone who runs a major corporation hits

805
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: you up and says, hey, man, I've been washing you

806
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: so for a long time. We'd love to be a partner.

807
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. That's what Quick Trip was for me. So,

808
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean you see him all over the place in

809
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: the South, you see him a little bit more in

810
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: the Midwest, spreading the footprint a little bit. But I mean,

811
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: you can get gas in any gas station, Colin. It's

812
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: the cold brewing tap. For me, it's walking in there

813
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: and having thirty seven different kinds of col brew and

814
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: you fill it up and you're on your way. It's

815
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: been a beautiful partnership.

816
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: Good see anybody, Good see youmen. The volume