WEBVTT - Breadcrumbin' Benjamin Franklin

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. Oh hello, filth heads. Hope you all

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<v Speaker 1>had a great New Year if you're someone who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>subscribes to calendars in the passage of time. But also,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to force that on anyone if you're

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<v Speaker 1>like not into that. And I think it's the New Year,

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<v Speaker 1>so we should start off with a bang.

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<v Speaker 2>So who's better than bang in? Then Benjamin Franklin.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, we finally made it to old Benny boy

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<v Speaker 1>and Benjamin Franklin.

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<v Speaker 2>You know him? But do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>You do we really know the founders? Also, does it

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<v Speaker 1>even matter what they actually thought? Because we spend so

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<v Speaker 1>much time interpretating, interpretating, interpreting who they were and what

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<v Speaker 1>they were trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>That we forget that other things were happening.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, I am just going to succumb

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<v Speaker 1>yet again to the historical kind of I guess basic

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<v Speaker 1>bitchness of talking about Benjamin Franklin.

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<v Speaker 2>For today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And I realized that I was actually kind of confused

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<v Speaker 1>about him, which that's annoying. I thought he was like

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<v Speaker 1>fucking around all the time, you know, and like had

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<v Speaker 1>sex with a thousand French women as Flynn.

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<v Speaker 2>But it might have not been that many.

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<v Speaker 1>And also maybe it wasn't that at all, like some

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<v Speaker 1>historians suggests that maybe he just liked the flirt and

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't consummate that many of his relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he wrote a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote a lot of letters and essays and diaries

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<v Speaker 1>and autobiographies and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe don't give a man a printing press, he's just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna abuse it. And it definitely seems out with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the stuff he wrote, he wrote it with

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<v Speaker 1>the intention of someone wanting to read it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And he never like explicitly was like me and these

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<v Speaker 1>French broads be fucking oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Moste Franklin, we are not actually fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, this accidents offensive all stop. Some historians argue

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<v Speaker 1>that when he was like in France, he was older,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe he wasn't able to fuck as much, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And this Franklin biographer Paul Zahl described him as a

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<v Speaker 1>foxy grandpa. He's like, yeah, he was just an old

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<v Speaker 1>guy who liked to flirt, right, And sure, you could

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<v Speaker 1>look at him as an old guy who liked to flirt.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you could also look at him as a

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<v Speaker 1>serial sexual harasser. But whether or not, he was literally

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<v Speaker 1>fucking people. It does seem that throughout his life he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Horny af.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm postulating that maybe he invented the lightning rod

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<v Speaker 1>so he could like shock his balls or something, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my balls. In his widely popular autobiography, he does talk

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<v Speaker 1>about his youthful self and being sexually provocative. He said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>this hard to be governed passion of my youth hurried

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<v Speaker 1>me frequently into intrigue with such low women as spell

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<v Speaker 1>in my way.

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<v Speaker 2>Ps. I hate when low women fall in my way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>I might get out of the way low women anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>these low women, which were attended with some expense and inconvenience,

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<v Speaker 1>beside a continual risk to my health by a distemper,

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<v Speaker 1>which of all things I dreaded, though by great good

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<v Speaker 1>luck I escaped it. Basically, he's being like when I

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<v Speaker 1>was young, I engaged with some prostitutes, and few I

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<v Speaker 1>did not get syphilists.

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<v Speaker 2>I am one lucky dog.

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<v Speaker 1>But also I don't appreciate how he's painting himself as

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<v Speaker 1>a victim here, like, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the low women, they fell in my way.

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<v Speaker 1>It was expensive and inconvenient, There was nothing I could

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<v Speaker 1>do but have sex with them. But really, do you

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<v Speaker 1>guys know what Benny Franklin was most horny for. He

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<v Speaker 1>was horny for his work.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>He loved doing his job and writing stuff. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what are women compared to books and government? Yes that's

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<v Speaker 1>a modified Jane Austen quote. Whatever, But obviously I do

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<v Speaker 1>have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about Benjamin,

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<v Speaker 1>about Benny boy, because while some people choose to remember

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Franklin as this foxy grandpa haha, he he Benjamin

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin actually had a wife and in my humble opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>he treated her like absolute dog shit. So that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about today, someone who rarely gets mentioned. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like when you hear about Benjamin Franklin, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about his relationship with his wife. Here's a theme song.

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<v Speaker 1>This is American Filth. I'm Gabby Watts. Every week I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you a filthy story from American history. This week's

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<v Speaker 1>episode bread crumbing Benjamin Franklin. You guys might be like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck does the title of this episode mean? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think we're all familiar with ghosting. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's where someone just erases their existence, stops responding to

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<v Speaker 1>you after you've set some sort of precedent of connection

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<v Speaker 1>with them. You know, they just don't show up, don't

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<v Speaker 1>text back. I always like to personally assume they are dead,

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<v Speaker 1>and then if I ever see them in public again,

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<v Speaker 1>I fall to the floor weeping, wailing to God for

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<v Speaker 1>this great miracle that they're still alive. Anyway, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>great person to know. But there's this other thing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called bread crumbing, where someone doesn't try to just ghost you,

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<v Speaker 1>but basically they just like keep making promises to hang out, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they never do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's like people who hold on to you

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<v Speaker 1>and are relying on your emotional availability, but then they

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<v Speaker 1>never fall through with it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's bread crumbing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now, imagine if someone did that to you, where

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<v Speaker 1>someone kept promising to hang out but then never did.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead of just doing this over a few weeks

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<v Speaker 1>or months, it happened over the course of ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>and the person doing it to you being like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll come back, I'll hang out soon. Is your husband,

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<v Speaker 1>and your husband is Benjamin Franklin. That would suck, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what he did. That's what annoys me. About him,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're gonna get to that at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode. I also just don't think he treated her

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<v Speaker 1>very well in general. So let's start kind of at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of their love story, I suppose. So his

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<v Speaker 1>wife was named Deborah Reid and Bennie Boy he called

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<v Speaker 1>her Debbie, and technically they weren't actually married, but they

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<v Speaker 1>lived as a married couple. It was essentially a common

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<v Speaker 1>law marriage, so as you can surmise, the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they got together.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a bit topsy turvy.

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<v Speaker 1>When Benny Boy was a younger dude about seventeen years

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<v Speaker 1>old in seventeen twenty three, he was living in Philadelphia,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, basically the Silicon Valley of the seventeen twenties

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<v Speaker 1>because it had all of this hot tech, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>the printing press. And the story goes, according to his autobiography,

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<v Speaker 1>that one day he was walking around carrying some lobes

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<v Speaker 1>of bread, one under each arm armpit bread, and then

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<v Speaker 1>chomping down on a third. Debbie, a young lady, was

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<v Speaker 1>standing outside her home's doorway on Marcus Street when she

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<v Speaker 1>saw him, and she thought he looked so silly and

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<v Speaker 1>weird but also endearing. It's like he's carrying all that

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<v Speaker 1>bread and just like chomping down on one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so silly.

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<v Speaker 1>She was, like, Benjamin Franklin, you have a most awkward,

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous appearance. But through a series of events, Benjamin Franklin

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<v Speaker 1>actually became a border at Debbie's house and stayed there

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<v Speaker 1>for about six months. And while he was there, they

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<v Speaker 1>fell in love. Is that convenient just to have a

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend in your house? But the thing is, when Benny

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<v Speaker 1>Boy proposed marriage in seventeen twenty four, Debbie's mom wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>let them get married because A he didn't seem very

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<v Speaker 1>financially responsible.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he was basically a gig worker.

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<v Speaker 1>And b he had recently been recruited by Pennsylvania's governor

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<v Speaker 1>to go to London to run a printing house there. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Benny Boy left Philadelphia boohoo, and he and Debbie decide

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<v Speaker 1>to postpone any short of marriage plans. But then while

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<v Speaker 1>Benny Boy was in London, he realized that the Pennsylvanian

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<v Speaker 1>government had basically swindled him. There's actually no equipment waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for him in London so that he could run a

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<v Speaker 1>printing house, and he also had no money for a

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<v Speaker 1>return ticket. So Benny sent Debbie a letter basically breaking

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<v Speaker 1>up with her, because at that point he had no

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<v Speaker 1>plans to return to Philadelphia, and also he probably realized

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<v Speaker 1>that her mom would not let them get married anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so instead of getting dumped, he was being proactive by

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<v Speaker 1>being the dumper. Also, you know, he was still in

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<v Speaker 1>his youth, horned up, ready to go, and he did

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<v Speaker 1>tell someone later that he had actually just mostly forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>about his engagement to Debbie when he had reached London.

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<v Speaker 2>And Debbie was probably very sad about this whole situation.

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<v Speaker 1>She always seemed to be a little bit more into

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin than he was into her. But also her mom

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to look out for her best interest. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, if you marry Benjamin Franklin, you're gonna be poor.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at him, he's dumb, and obviously his situation improves.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the time, so instead, Debbie's mom persuaded her

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<v Speaker 1>to marry a potter named John Rogers, because that's a

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<v Speaker 1>more stable job a seramacist.

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<v Speaker 2>But John turned out to be a piece of shit nutjob.

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<v Speaker 1>It turned out that he was actually already married to

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<v Speaker 1>someone in England, and then he spent all of Debbie's

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<v Speaker 1>dowry and then fled to the West Indies, where presumably

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<v Speaker 1>he died. But the problem is that it was too

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<v Speaker 1>expensive to try to prove that he was dead, so

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately Debbie had to stay married to that rat. Technically

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<v Speaker 1>women could self divorce at this point, but the church

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't allow another marriage, and without him actually being declared dead,

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't be a free and fun and thirty widow.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I never trust a man who's into pottery.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Benny Boy came back to Philadelphia in seventeen twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>and despite being tricked by the governor, he returned with

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<v Speaker 1>lots of prospects and fortune ahead. He had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of good printing work in his future and newspapers to make.

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<v Speaker 2>When he got back.

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<v Speaker 1>He did see Debbie from time to time in social situations,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was so embarrassed about her potter husband that

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<v Speaker 1>she rarely went out and did social activities.

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<v Speaker 2>Benny was like, damn, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel bad for her and everything she's gone through, but

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<v Speaker 1>also she tried to dump.

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<v Speaker 2>Me boo Debbie. But aha, Debbie.

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<v Speaker 1>Would not be the only one who committed a folly

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<v Speaker 1>or two. So remember how Bennie Boy mentioned in his

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<v Speaker 1>autobiography that he was really horny when he was young, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like he was so horny that he accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>fathered a son.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoopsies.

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<v Speaker 1>He either met a low woman or another lady and

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<v Speaker 1>made a kummi wami inside of her and made a baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoopsies.

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<v Speaker 1>But Benny he decided to be a nice guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>when the baby boy was born, he took the child

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<v Speaker 1>to raise. He was like, I shall raise his son

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<v Speaker 1>as a proper good boy. And to this day no

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<v Speaker 1>one knows who the mother was and why you know

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't marry her and be with her. But the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, Benjamin Franklin taking the kid. That was a rare,

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<v Speaker 1>unprecedented act for its time. Usually they would just leave

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<v Speaker 1>the bastards behind. But the thing is, then Benny Boy

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<v Speaker 1>was a bit in a predicament because he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot raise a child on my own. I am

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<v Speaker 1>important and I am a man. That would be ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>I need some lady to raise this child. But what

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<v Speaker 1>good lady in her right mind would raise someone else's child.

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<v Speaker 1>I would need a woman who has no other prospects,

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<v Speaker 1>whose dowry has been squandered by someone else who died

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<v Speaker 1>in the West Indies and someone who likes me enough

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<v Speaker 1>to raise my bastard. Oh my god, how convenient, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>ask sad ass Debbie. So, even though Debbie couldn't technically

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<v Speaker 1>get married, she and Bennie Boy agreed to a common

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<v Speaker 1>law marriage. On September first, seventeen thirty, she moved into

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<v Speaker 1>his house and became the mother to his bastard, who,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, also had a name.

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<v Speaker 2>His name was William. And the thing is Bennie and Debbie.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a very long marriage, and it does seem

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<v Speaker 1>that for much of the marriage they had a perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>fine relationship. But at the same time it doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>that Bennie was actually that into her sexually. They did

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<v Speaker 1>have two kids together, a boy named Francis who died

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<v Speaker 1>of smallpox at a very young age, and then after

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<v Speaker 1>Francis died, they had Sarah. But Bennie Boy described Debbie

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<v Speaker 1>pretty disparagingly in a lot of his letters. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>he compared her body to a beer mug. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>not the hottest form, I guess. And then there's this

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<v Speaker 1>account of one of Benjamin Franklin's friends coming over, and

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<v Speaker 1>Debbie was like on the floor wailing and yelling at.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, Fuck you, Benjamin Franklin.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously it was not a perfectly harmonious situation in

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<v Speaker 1>their household. I mean, also, being a woman at the

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<v Speaker 1>time probably sucked because you just had to raise children

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<v Speaker 1>and shit, which sounds boring as fuck, no offense. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>on the one hand, this marriage was awesome for Debbie,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't really have any other choice, but also it

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<v Speaker 1>seems that she got a little stressed out because of

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Franklin. But we know from Benjamin Franklin's perspective that

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<v Speaker 1>the marriage was good for him because it tempered his

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<v Speaker 1>horned upness. He wrote a very silly essay in the

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<v Speaker 1>form of a letter in seventeen forty seven called a

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<v Speaker 1>Letter on Marriage. Another title of this essay is Advice

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<v Speaker 1>to a young Man on the choice of a Mistress.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically addressing a man who is not interested in

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<v Speaker 1>getting married, and the gist of it is Franklin is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be like, no, marriage is good, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But he says, if you don't get married and you

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<v Speaker 2>still want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck around, I really recommend you get a mistress who

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<v Speaker 1>is older than you. That's right, Find you a cougar,

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<v Speaker 1>find you a milf, because they are better mistresses. And

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to share some of this essay in the

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<v Speaker 1>episode because yeah, it's a satire, Yeah it's comedy, but

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's probably some truth about how Benjamin

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin felt about marriage in it. And I'm not actually

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<v Speaker 1>gonna read the letter myself, okay. One reviewer of this

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<v Speaker 1>show said, I sound like a nervous twelve year old

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<v Speaker 1>boy giving a book report in an aggressive monotone, which,

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<v Speaker 1>while you might think it's a criticism, is actually just accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm getting my boyfriend to read it. Yeah, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>boys and girls, I have a boyfriend. Okay, I need

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<v Speaker 1>you to sound like you are Benjamin Franklin.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you do it? I'm Benjamin. No, that's too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Just read the fucking letter.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing, my dear friend. I know of no medicine fit

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<v Speaker 3>to diminish the violence natural inclinations you mention, and if

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<v Speaker 3>I did, I think I should not communicate it to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Marriage is the proper remedy. It is the most natural

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<v Speaker 3>state of man, and therefore the state in which you

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<v Speaker 3>are most likely to find solid happiness. Your reasons against

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<v Speaker 3>entering into it at present appear to me not well founded.

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<v Speaker 3>The circumstantial advantages you have in view by postponing it

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<v Speaker 3>are not only uncertain, but they are small in comparison

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<v Speaker 3>with that of the thing itself, the being married and settled.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the man and woman united that make the

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<v Speaker 3>complete human being separate. She wants his force of body

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<v Speaker 3>and strength of reason, he her softness, sensibility, and acute discernment.

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<v Speaker 3>Together they are more likely to succeed in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>A single man has not nearly the value he would

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<v Speaker 3>have in that state of union. He is an incomplete animal.

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<v Speaker 3>He resembles the odd half of a pair of scissors.

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<v Speaker 3>If you get a prudent, healthy wife, your industry and

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<v Speaker 3>your profession with her good economy will be a fortune sufficient.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's the wife part of the essay. The

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<v Speaker 1>next part is the milf part, which is and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really necessary for this episode, but I will have

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<v Speaker 1>my boyfriend read the rest of it at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode because it's very funny. But the annoying

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<v Speaker 1>thing about this marriage part is that he says that

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<v Speaker 1>marriage will make you more successful in the world. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes you a more complete human. You know, together

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<v Speaker 1>you will succeed in the world. But in the later

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<v Speaker 1>part of their marriage, Benjamin Franklin basically leaves Debbie all

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<v Speaker 1>alone for two decades.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll be right back after these soothing advertisements.

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<v Speaker 1>So in seventeen thirty six, Debor Reid and Benjamin Franklin's son, Francis,

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<v Speaker 1>died of smallpox, which is surprising because Benjamin Franklin was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge proponent of this new thing called inoculation, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>why had he not inoculated his son if he was

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<v Speaker 1>so into it. Some people think that maybe Francis was

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<v Speaker 1>already sick as fuck by the time they could have

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<v Speaker 1>inoculated him. But some other people think that maybe Debbie

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<v Speaker 1>prevented it from happening, and then Benjamin Franklin held that

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<v Speaker 1>against her for the rest of their marriage and over

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<v Speaker 1>decades of being married. Maybe this resentment and bitterness built

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<v Speaker 1>up until he just didn't really want to have much

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<v Speaker 1>to do with her, Or maybe he was just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, too preoccupied with the us being independent or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't go back in time. I can't ask him.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, for two decades, starting in the seventeen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Franklin spent most of his time in England, and

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<v Speaker 1>while he was there, Debbie was not. In his defense,

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<v Speaker 1>Benny Boy had asked Debbie to come along to London,

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<v Speaker 1>but she refused. She was terrified of the ocean and

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<v Speaker 1>traveling by boat. I mean, why would you not. The

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the ocean is heinous. I mean they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what it looked like back then, but Debbie

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<v Speaker 1>maybe got a sense about all those creepy things at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom. So he headed over there in seventeen fifty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when all the bread crumbing began. So when

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<v Speaker 1>he left, he was like, yeah, I'll be home soon.

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<v Speaker 1>But then he didn't come back for five years. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he was home for a little bit, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>left again, and then he wasn't back for what ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the pattern that would happen. He would send

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<v Speaker 1>letters and he'd be like, oh, yeah, I'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>in a few months. I'll be back at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of spring. And then spring would come around and then

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<v Speaker 1>he'd be like, well, just kidding, maybe I'll come back

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of fall or something, or maybe I'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back in the winter, but actually now the ocean

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<v Speaker 1>it's too cold. I don't want to go now, so

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<v Speaker 1>maybe next year. And he kept doing this. Also just

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<v Speaker 1>seems that Benjamin Franklin wasn't really communicating.

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<v Speaker 2>With Debbie very well.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the second time he was over in London, the

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<v Speaker 1>one where he'd be gone for ten years, Debbie sent

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<v Speaker 1>him a letter where she said, oh, I have been

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<v Speaker 1>so happy as to receive several of your dear letters

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<v Speaker 1>within these few days. She said that she had been

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<v Speaker 1>reading it over and over again and quote, I call

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<v Speaker 1>it a husband's love letter, but really she might have

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<v Speaker 1>been saying that to be a bit manipulative. She was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my god, that's so nice of you to write me.

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<v Speaker 1>How nice of you to remember that I exist, the

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<v Speaker 1>woman who bore two of your children and also raised

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<v Speaker 1>your friggin bastard. What a kindness that you would deign

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<v Speaker 1>to write to me. Also, when you left back in February,

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<v Speaker 1>you said you'd be gone a few months, and now

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<v Speaker 1>it's freaking October and you're not telling me when you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come back. And here's the crazier thing about this,

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<v Speaker 1>so he kept doing that thing where he was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll come back with then he wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, do you know what happened?

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<v Speaker 1>In seventeen sixty nine, Debbie had a stroke, and even

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<v Speaker 1>after that, Benjamin Franklin did not come home.

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<v Speaker 2>She kept asking him.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, Babe, I'm sorry to bother you, but

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<v Speaker 1>when might you perchance be coming home?

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<v Speaker 2>I had a stroke, kay almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Died And at this point, even after her fucking stroke,

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<v Speaker 1>he was just ignoring her. He didn't offer her any

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<v Speaker 1>clarity on when he would come back until July seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one. He was basically like, yeah, I'll be here

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<v Speaker 1>for one more winter and then I'll come home. But then,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what, he postponed it again, and then many more times,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it was seventeen seventy four, and that year

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<v Speaker 1>again twice he said he'd return and didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And then in.

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<v Speaker 1>December of seventeen seventy four, Debbie had another.

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<v Speaker 2>Stroke and she died.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, basically there was like a five year period

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<v Speaker 1>in which she had a stroke, he didn't come back,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she had a stroke and died, and yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>during this time there was a lot of important shit

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<v Speaker 1>going down, like a revolution was about to start. But whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't like it. Fuck you, Benjamin Franklin. And

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<v Speaker 1>can you guys believe that that even after she died,

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Franklin, her husband, he didn't feel compelled to immediately

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<v Speaker 1>come home, you know, to like go to Philadelphia and

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<v Speaker 1>help with funeral stuff and say goodbye to her before

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<v Speaker 1>she was.

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<v Speaker 2>Put in the ground. No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't come back to Philadelphia until the following year,

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<v Speaker 1>May seventeen seventy five, at which point the American Revolution

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<v Speaker 1>was already happening. So it's just like men are so predictable,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. It's like I'm not going to come home

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<v Speaker 1>and tend to my sick wife, but I will come

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<v Speaker 1>home for war. Men love war more than women, don't

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<v Speaker 1>you dare dissect that statement.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine the stress Debbie was under just waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for her husband, just like being in this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like limbo where you're like, well, you're coming back, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>preparing the house, I'm preparing everything for your return, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he just doesn't arrive, and also doesn't communicate about

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<v Speaker 1>him not arriving that sounds so stressful, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>it causes a stroke high blood pressure, and where do

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<v Speaker 1>you get high blood pressure from.

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<v Speaker 2>Being stressed out?

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, Benjamin Franklin killed his wife. And yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>me saying that Benjamin Franklin killed his wife that is

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<v Speaker 1>some revisionist history, or some people would say wild conjecture

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<v Speaker 1>and absolutely incorrect, but whatever, I'm standing by my hyperbolic statements.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, guys, that is why I am pissed off

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<v Speaker 1>at Benjamin Franklin. I know you guys were wondering the

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<v Speaker 1>New Year how I felt about him, and that's how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>P PW.

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<v Speaker 1>I put in these cannon sounds because this is a

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<v Speaker 1>big moment for everyone learning my opinion on Benjamin Franklin.

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<v Speaker 1>So cannons, so I know, promise the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>marriage letter, where Benjamin Franklin talks about how if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get a mistress, it's better to have a milf.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tagging my boyfriend back into read it.

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<v Speaker 1>But just remember earlier in the letter he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, you should get married.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would you not, you idiot?

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<v Speaker 1>But if you don't, Okay, now we're doing the next

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<v Speaker 1>part of the letter, So start right there.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you will not tag me Noah.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you will not take this council and persist

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<v Speaker 3>in thinking of commerce with the sex inevitable, then I

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<v Speaker 3>repeat my former advice that in all your amours you

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<v Speaker 3>should prefer old women to young ones. You call this

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<v Speaker 3>a paradox, and demand my reasons. They are these. One

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<v Speaker 3>because as they have more knowledge of the world, and

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<v Speaker 3>their minds are better stored with observations, their conversation is

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<v Speaker 3>more improving and more lastingly agreeable. Two because when women

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<v Speaker 3>cease to be handsome, they study to be good to

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<v Speaker 3>maintain their influence over men. They supply the diminution of

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<v Speaker 3>beauty and augmentation of utility. They learn to do a

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<v Speaker 3>thousand services small and great, and are the most tender

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<v Speaker 3>and useful of all friends when you are sick. Thus

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<v Speaker 3>they continue amiable, and hence there is hardly such a

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<v Speaker 3>thing to be found as an old woman who is

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<v Speaker 3>not a good woman. Three because there is no hazard

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<v Speaker 3>of children, which irregularly produced may be attended with much inconvenience.

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<v Speaker 3>Four Because through more experience, they are more prudent and

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<v Speaker 3>discreet in conducting an intrigue to prevent suspicion. The commerce

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<v Speaker 3>with them is therefore safer with regard to your reputation

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<v Speaker 3>and with regard to theirs. If the affairs should happen

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<v Speaker 3>to be known, considerate people might be rather inclined to

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<v Speaker 3>excuse an old woman who would kindly take care of

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<v Speaker 3>a young man, form his manners by her good counsels,

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<v Speaker 3>and prevent his ruining his health and fortune among mercenary prostitutes. Five,

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<v Speaker 3>Because in every animal that walks upright, the deficiency of

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<v Speaker 3>the fluids that fill the muscles appears first in the

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<v Speaker 3>highest part. The face first grows lank and wrinkled, then

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<v Speaker 3>the neck, then the breast, in arms, the lower parts

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<v Speaker 3>continuing to last as plump as ever so that covering

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<v Speaker 3>all above with a basket, and regarding only what is

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<v Speaker 3>below the girdle, it is impossible of two women to

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<v Speaker 3>know an old from a young one. And as in

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<v Speaker 3>the dark, all cats are gray, the pleasure of corporal

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<v Speaker 3>enjoyment with an old woman is at least equal and

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<v Speaker 3>frequently superior, every knack, being by practice capable of improvement.

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<v Speaker 2>Six.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the sin is less, the debauching of virgin may

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<v Speaker 3>be her ruined and make her for life unhappy. Seven

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<v Speaker 3>because the compunction is less. The having made a young

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<v Speaker 3>girl miserable may give you frequent bitter reflections, none of

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<v Speaker 3>which can attend the making an old woman happy. Eighthly,

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<v Speaker 3>and lastly, they are so grateful, but still I advise

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<v Speaker 3>you to marry directly, being sincerely your affectionate friend.

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<v Speaker 1>As the older woman in our relationship, Is this how

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<v Speaker 1>you think of me?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Ah to cover me with a basket. Anyway, dear filth heads,

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<v Speaker 1>please remember that this is a comedy podcast and me

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<v Speaker 1>saying Benjamin Franklin killed his wife is crazy. But like Debbie,

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<v Speaker 1>I have also been at the whim of men who

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<v Speaker 1>kept promising to hang out but then never did, and

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<v Speaker 1>it drove me insane.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm taking all this very personally.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I did include several real facts throughout this episode. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna try to compose myself. Not all the episodes

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna be like this. I swear to God, I

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<v Speaker 1>was just passionate. So in American filth we always learn

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<v Speaker 1>something from the episode. There's always a moral to take

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<v Speaker 1>away from it, and you know, to counter my bias,

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<v Speaker 1>I will try to say something from ben Jamin Franklin's perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>From his point of view, be empathetic to him. So

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<v Speaker 1>what I think we learned from this episode is that

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<v Speaker 1>wives are so fucking annoying. Why would you pester me

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm thinking about war and stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Leave me alone? Yuck. Anyway, let's roll the credits.

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<v Speaker 1>American Field is a production of School of Humans and

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<v Speaker 1>iHeart Podcasts. This episode was written and hosted by Me

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<v Speaker 1>Gabby Watts. The theme song is by me and Jesse Niswanger.

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<v Speaker 1>Senior producers Amelia Brock, and our executive producers are Virginia Prescott,

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Barr, and Elsie Crowley. Please leave the show a review,

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<v Speaker 1>follow it, give it some stars, whatever, make the algorithm

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<v Speaker 1>work so we can keep making the show. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can also follow the pod on Instagram at American filth Pod.

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<v Speaker 2>Pocket you next week School of Humans