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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you,

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: where once again, just like with Strange News, we look

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Speaker 1: through hundreds hundreds of fascinating correspondencies, questions, feedback and suggestions,

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Speaker 1: and then we picked just a few on admittedly and

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Speaker 1: is the best part of the show, your fellow listeners

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Speaker 1: speaking directly to you, with some uh, with with some

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Speaker 1: with some conversations, some commentary from us. We're gonna look into, um,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna look into allegations of cults and social media.

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Speaker 1: We've got some serious concerns about security at the FBI.

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Speaker 1: No spoilers. UH, We've got some objects that may have

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Speaker 1: And then at the very end, the very very end,

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Speaker 1: we have we have a just one more piece of

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to listen to the rest of the

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Speaker 1: episode to find that one. He says, as though a

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Speaker 1: it was a little suspicious that it was like a

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I love you, but that's try

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Speaker 1: full of fast one on us. But anyway, Mom, if

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Speaker 1: So and say that to your mom if you if

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Speaker 1: watch out diet Coke. So today we've got our adventures

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Speaker 1: laid out. So how about this, uh, Matt, we received?

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Speaker 1: We received one piece of correspondence for someone who asked

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Speaker 1: to remain fully anonymous. Is that correct, fully, Garth? Or

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Speaker 1: is it? How does it go? Fully? Fully? Yes? Fully?

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Speaker 1: Ar No? What? No, that's not That's not the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Wayne's World expressions, My friends Bill, Bill and Ted. That's

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Speaker 1: I also liked the Daughter's characters. All right, So yes,

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Speaker 1: this person wishes to remain fully anonymous. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to read the correspondence and then discuss. Here goes. Good day, gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: I've been debating sharing my secret for a while, and

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Speaker 1: not as juicy as or as exciting as it sounds.

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Speaker 1: We disagree. I am a software engineer for one of

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Speaker 1: this one, okay, h And n c i SEE stands

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Speaker 1: driver's licenses, etcetera. Disregarding the archaic infrastructure of the system,

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Speaker 1: This is dangerous information. If you're listening to this and

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Speaker 1: you have um bad intentions, please stop listening. Just go

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Speaker 1: and you've left total honor system. Okay, good, you're gone. Okay, great,

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Speaker 1: Only only good intentioned human beings and other intelligent creatures listening.

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter if you're innocent, if you cannot

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Speaker 1: but that's I think that's one of the key pieces

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Speaker 1: So it's literally the records that are kept for everyone.

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Speaker 1: out that he does not live in either of those

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00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: two houses. He's flowing the the actors or the women

426
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: in from around the country. But it is true that

427
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: there was a moment where he woke them up and

428
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: said and gave people the ultimatum of get a tattoo

429
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: of me or my name or go home, pick one,

430
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: and this, you know, like obviously isn't chill behavior. But

431
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: like if this is a cult, then stuff like Jared

432
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: Leto's summer camp would be a cult. But they're not

433
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: really He's not really doing anything illegal that we could

434
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: find at this time, right, Like, that's just I've heard

435
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: of producers who treat non scripted talent worse than this. Right, Yeah,

436
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: the tattoo thing is a little weird. Yeah, if it

437
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: really is forced, like if it's fully forced, that's no.

438
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: Well there was the out there was you can go home,

439
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: so there weren't being forcibly. But you know, it's like Nexium.

440
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: They were branding people in Nexium. Yeah, that's a that's

441
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: a good analog there. Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah,

442
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't like it either. If I were, um, if

443
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: I were a friend of one of these people, or

444
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: if I were a parent or family member, I would

445
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: think it was time to talk about, you know, other

446
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: other ways to break into an industry, which is a

447
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: very vague promise anyhow, But here's the right now. So yes, Jason,

448
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: You're right, it is weird. Is there some stuff they

449
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: don't want you to know about it, quite possibly because

450
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: it's being portrayed as though it's going to be a

451
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: reality show competing in that reality show space, but it's

452
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: on only fans, which is controversial to some for various reasons. Uh.

453
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: And people are saying, look, if you want to make

454
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: this show legit and not just this weird thing that

455
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: you're doing to people, then higher professional production staff, you

456
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean, get a medical uh medical staff

457
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: on hand. Make like if you were having people fight

458
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: for entertainment, then make sure that there's some way to

459
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: care for them physically right and mentally as well. Um.

460
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: So I agree it's messed up, but I don't I

461
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: don't know for quite at cultish behavior yet. And it's something, um,

462
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: the three of us, I think it talked about. I

463
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: can't remember whether this was off air or on the show.

464
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: TikTok has a thing with cults. TikTok has a thing

465
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: which calling members calling themselves cults. Right, No, you, you

466
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: and I talk about this like it's a trendy thing

467
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: or something. I mean, yeah, that makes sense. No, I

468
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: guess I didn't realize that terminology is used. But you know,

469
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: just totally devil to have a care here. And this

470
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: is gonna sound like I'm being callous, but like it's

471
00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: not technically illegal to start a cult rightly. And and

472
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: it's like if these are all consensual adults who want

473
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: to sleep in his treehouse and get tattoos, and that's cool,

474
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: right as long as he's not breaking the law or

475
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: like any of them are underage or there's any kind

476
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: of drugging or you know, duress going on. Um, it

477
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: seems like just kind of like us uber fan type

478
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: situation maybe and less of like an indoctrinated cult situation.

479
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: But that's just on, you know. And again like this

480
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: like TikTok is rife with that kind of stuff. People.

481
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: It's it's a world where you can, you know, worship

482
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: celebrities essentially and like and I feel like you're connected

483
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: to them. Daily Beast article. And I'm just not liking

484
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing. How it's not good. It's not good.

485
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: That is that your patented sigh of joy and happiness.

486
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: That is my happy, happy, happy joy joyce ready to

487
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: get tatted? Blue Face asks a room of sleeping women

488
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: that he had flown out to his one point three

489
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: million dollar home in Chatsworth by the way, which is

490
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: where they shoot all the porn obviously into porn uh

491
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: tattoo or go home? Which one is it? Yeah? Yeah,

492
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: that's what. Um, that's what I'm saying when I said

493
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: it was an ultimatum. But he did give them an out.

494
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: They weren't forcibly held unless it was maybe like a

495
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: cage of the mind. But here's the which are real things.

496
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: But here's where this takes a turn that you may

497
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: not have been expecting, Jason, because the reason that we've

498
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: had our eye on the idea of TikTok and colts

499
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: as whether it's as a trending thing or is real thing,

500
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: is because it takes part in the context of a

501
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: larger conversation. Let me give you one. Let me give

502
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: you one example of probably the most famous self described

503
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: TikTok colts here. Have you guys heard of the step chickens. No,

504
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: sounds like the name of an improv comedy group, it does?

505
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: It does? Sound like? Yes, actually you got me with

506
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: that one. No, that checks out, that's legit. I you

507
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: like I've seen them. I feel like I've seen them

508
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: in Chicago. But I just supposed a link here in

509
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: our chat. There was a great New York Times piece

510
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: last year, almost a year ago stay called step Chickens

511
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: and the Rise of TikTok Cults. There was a there

512
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: is a person on TikTok who was what social media

513
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: would call a content creator or an influencer. And we

514
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: all know people who are at varying levels of this

515
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: or attempting to do this. The end goal is that

516
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: you have millions of followers, and then you support yourself

517
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: through endorsement deals. Right, so you're posting for your fans

518
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: or your followers, and then part way through, you know,

519
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: you start organically integrating products. So you're like, hold up,

520
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: You're like, mmmm, when I'm recording a conspiracy show, there's

521
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: nothing better than this old cold milk jar vice car

522
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: fee that I make a hope I would be terrible

523
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: about this. It's not many. It's a skill set that

524
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't possess. But anyway, this influencer, Lissa All is

525
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: a twenty's like eight now, and she created this online movement,

526
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: this self described cult called step Chickens and all she

527
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: asked people to do. I haven't got into it. I

528
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: know a lot of our listeners are probably very familiar

529
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: with this. All she asked people to do to join

530
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: the cult was pretty innocuous. Just put a specific type

531
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: of profile picture on your TikTok profile. And then the

532
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: members of these cults started by merch. There's a song. Uh.

533
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: While Stepped Chickens isn't is the most well known, there

534
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: are many, many, many out there, and that's fun, right

535
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. That's cool. We're part of

536
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: something bigger and it's harmless because you can always turn

537
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 1: off your phone, you always turn off TikTok. You know,

538
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm actually in a cult with my daughter and her

539
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: two friends. Uh. They sort of tricked me into joining

540
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: by putting a little plush doll Mega man picture as

541
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: my Instagram profile pick, and it is still that to

542
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: this day. Gentlemen. Uh so I'm apparently in the Mega

543
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: Man call. But um no, it's a thing like on TikTok.

544
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's communities that identify each other

545
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: by what their profile pick is, and they oftentimes kind

546
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 1: of gang up on people. Apparently some of them are

547
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: better than others, I guess, um, but they're always trying

548
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: to recruit people as well. And then my daughter tells

549
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: me this. People are always trying to reach out and

550
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: at first you think they're just kind of cool or whatever,

551
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: and then they dropped their sales pitch. Uh what what

552
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: is the Mega Man cult? Mega Man called as a joke.

553
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: It's something that my daughter and her friends made up

554
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: because they like they like Mega Man, and we are

555
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: the only members. It is just me and my daughter

556
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: and her two friends. Um so but the other. But

557
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: in general though, this very much is a thing, and

558
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: it's specifically on TikTok. And I was surprised, uh that

559
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: how my daughter, how casually she brought up being approached

560
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: in this way. M yeah, yeah, because the usual social

561
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: filters simply do not exist in a virtual space. This

562
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: is the bigger direction we're going with Jason. Um. This

563
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: is something that I think warrants a full episode in

564
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: the future, and it's online radicalization, the presence of ubiquitous

565
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: uh communication without verifying people's identities, which I personally am

566
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: fine with. I think anonymity it can be a good

567
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: thing and often the benefits this is the most optimistic

568
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: thing I've said, Often the benefits will outweigh some of

569
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: the problems. I would hope. I'm not I'm on the

570
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: fence about that, because I can see both sides, but

571
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: we need to explore just how profoundly online communication has

572
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: changed the process of recruitment and radicalization for anything like

573
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not just say you know, UM, I

574
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: know we've heard a lot of a lot of talk

575
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: about it in past years with Islamic extremist groups, but

576
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: I would ask people also to consider movements like in

577
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: Seldom right in Cells existed primarily as a digitally native

578
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: radicalized group, and there's a lot of work going into

579
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: how these processes occur. This work is important because I'm

580
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: going to I'm going to tell you what's going to happen,

581
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: or what people are hoping is going to happen. They're

582
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: going to hope to use the threats of online radicalization

583
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: as a way of removing your ability to be anonymous

584
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: on the Internet. The roots may change as though you're

585
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: looking at Google maps and ways, but the end destination

586
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: is going to be to have your identity freely publicly

587
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: available to make it increasingly difficult to be anonymous online. Um.

588
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: The rationalizations, whether valid or cynical, UM to me, they

589
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: are primarily a non issue because it is all meant

590
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: to work toward that end. At this point, to be fair,

591
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: I have to ask him, I being to extreme. You guys,

592
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: do you think I'm Matt? I saw you nod and

593
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was like you're not of agreement?

594
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: Who was somehow very very affirmative looking not of disagreement?

595
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: Be quiet, Um, I'm having a very hard time caring.

596
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: I had to be honest with you, guys, caring about

597
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: blue faces plight, no, no about any any in all

598
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: TikTok cults and or groups and or TikTok videos in general.

599
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: I have. I am so old and curmudgingly about TikTok.

600
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: The whole thing just makes me go, no, why I look.

601
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: I I like a few of them when I see

602
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: them reposted us where I don't look at it like

603
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: as an ecosystem. But I actually posted my story this

604
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: weekend that my kid may where it was me and

605
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: my girlfriend doing insane in the membrane but very slow,

606
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: and I do the part that's like insane in the

607
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: broad and it's really funny. Matt. It made me laugh

608
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: at it. It brought a lot of joy to my family.

609
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: So for that, TikTok, I thank you. I could do

610
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: without the rest of it. And the cult part is

611
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: really strange. And this blue face guys clearly a creep.

612
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: And how does he have two houses? And I've never

613
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: heard of him, Not that I'm like the Bell Weather

614
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: for who should have houses or not, but like it's

615
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: weird that he doesn't seem like famous enough to be

616
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: as rich as he is. Yeah. Yeah, they're almost eight

617
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: billion people in the world for now, so it's it's

618
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: easy to find a Kniche audience. Matt, I'm gonna since

619
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: you asked me to keep this weird Colonel Kurtz like

620
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: lighting here still recording hid his store. Uh, let me

621
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: go ahead and explain TikTok to you. And I realized,

622
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: like I was shot, like I was shot with a diamond,

623
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: diamond bullet right through my forehead, and I thought, my god,

624
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: the genius of it, the genius the will to do that, perfect, genuine, complete,

625
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: crystalline pure so the hand thing is from in heart

626
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: of darkness. Marlon Brando also misrepresented himself the way that

627
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: we did not legally advise you to do to break

628
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: into n C I s U. And when he showed

629
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: up on set for anybody who knows the story of Apocalypse. Now.

630
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: Coppola was appalled by how far he had let himself go.

631
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: You know, I'm very against body shaming or shaming people

632
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: for their physical appearance, but he misrepresented himself, and so

633
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: a ton of his parts in the movie, which are

634
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: already pretty small parts were cut and they had to

635
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: relight everything. So that's why when you see Colonel Kurtz,

636
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: most of the time he's like this, where he's like this,

637
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: or you very rarely see his whole face, and his

638
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: best monologue is like by Marlon Brando's fist featuring his

639
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: face occasionally and I think he's squeezing, he's he's washing

640
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: his head or something, got it. But that's right. So

641
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: that's a lot of close up bald shots. Yeah, I'm confused,

642
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: too bad. I think it's I think I think that

643
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: is trying to sum up the genes sequa. That is

644
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: TikTok with that. Uh, it's like tears in the Rain mainly,

645
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: mad is what it's like. Now. I don't get the

646
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: appeal exactly either, but a lot of kids really love it,

647
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: and as we talked about on the a few episodes go,

648
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: a lot of adults really love it, and it's got

649
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: some problematic security features as well, or lack thereof, or

650
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: just you know, what the hell are they doing with

651
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: all that? Like you said, Ben, what are they building

652
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: in there with all that? All the children, all of

653
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: our children's data. Um, But yeah, man, it's weird the

654
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: level of stuff kids are exposed to these days on

655
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: the Internet. They have access to all the things that

656
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: ever existed, not to mention like these communities that can

657
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: be really cool and positive and help you find your people,

658
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: but can also be really toxic and creepy like this story.

659
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: Well that's the Yeah, that's the thing. Like Matt, I

660
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: must have misinterpreted. I thought you were nodding to the

661
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: larger idea of online radicalization and how it will be

662
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: used to rationalize removing your ability to be anonymous on

663
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: the internet, and then it will be another part of

664
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: a I mean, there's already like the the infrastructure is

665
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: already there. If someone for some reason wants to put

666
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: a closer eye of sore on on you, it's very

667
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: easy to do if they work for the right places.

668
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: But they're also simple steps you can take currently to

669
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: keep those eyes off you or be a little bit

670
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: more blurry in their vision, and we just don't know

671
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: how long that's gonna last. And we don't know, we

672
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: don't know how people being exposed as children to this

673
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: kind of unprecedented level of communication. We don't know the

674
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: ripple effects. We don't know what's going to happen. Like

675
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 1: you're talking about, we're talking about Generation u Z all

676
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: the time, right, But what about the people who come next.

677
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: They're going to be growing up even more embedded in

678
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: this world where someone is always talking to you and

679
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: it's increasingly considered rude not to answer something to think about.

680
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: We want to hear your take on it. Let us know.

681
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: One A three three std w y t K drops

682
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: an email conspiracy at I heeart radio dot com. But

683
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: don't do that yet. Wait because we're going to have

684
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: a quick break and then we'll be back with more

685
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: listener mail. All right, we're back in. Um those two

686
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: top you guys brought today, we're awesome by the way, uh,

687
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: super terrifying implications um with both of those stories. But

688
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna bring a little bit of levity not

689
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: I don't know you could you could argue that it's

690
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: it's it's quite dark in fact, but you know, in

691
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: the context of a ghost story, let's just treat it

692
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: that way. Um. We had a lot of responses from

693
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: our Haunted Objects episode, uh, people writing in about their

694
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: own experience with haunted objects, and I found one that

695
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: reads kind of nicely like a quickie little ghost story,

696
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: so I thought I would share that with everyone today.

697
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: This one comes from Mark and it's about a experience

698
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: that he had with a haunted object. Here it goes around.

699
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: My family and I moved into a house owned by

700
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: our family previously, and it was very old and had

701
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: lots of history. This house was what was known as

702
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: a mining hut back in the day that was owned

703
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: by a mining company, but least by workers for living in.

704
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: I was six years old at the time, and we

705
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: moved in and started remodeling it. During the renovations, my

706
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: father came upon a blue rubber ball. Unassuming, I know,

707
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: but wait, here's where it gets crazy. Ha ha, powerful words.

708
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: I played with this ball for a bit and forgot

709
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: about it, and as children do, moved on from it.

710
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: One day, as I was just roaming the house, I

711
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: found the ball down in our dining room area, and

712
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: thinking nothing of it, I just tossed it into the yard.

713
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: Fast forward a couple of days and I found this

714
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: ball up in my bedroom, assuming as I did that,

715
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: my little brother grabbed it and put it in there.

716
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: I just left it on the shelf. Now, I was

717
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: home from school sick one day, and my mom stayed

718
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: home from work to look after me. As I'm laying

719
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: on the couch and Mom is making me some food,

720
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: we hear some light rubbery thuds down the stairs. Blink

721
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: blink blink blint point by boin bl b, followed by

722
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: a blue rubber ball coming from the stairwell and rolling

723
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: past her and me into the living room. Now we

724
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: had a cat, so Mom said it must have been her.

725
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: Mom threw the ball back up, and then, as if

726
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: by magic, uh, as if it were being thrown back down,

727
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: here it comes bouncing down and back where we were.

728
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: Now I know maybe it was the cat, except the

729
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: cat was verified to be in the room with us.

730
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: Mom got creeped out and I was pretty shocked, and

731
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: she threw it away and it was taken out with

732
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: a trash. Now a few years went by and we moved,

733
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 1: and one day I came home from a friend's house

734
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: and go through my stuff and on the bed of

735
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: my clothes drawer to get some fresh shorts, and there

736
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: it is the blue rubber ball that couldn't have been

737
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: placed in there because it was all the way in

738
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: the back of the drawer under my clothes. Uh. And

739
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: now I can tell you that Mom and I had

740
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: never told anyone about the ball because we actually forgot

741
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: about it. So I was kind of taken aback. I

742
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: ran down the stairs and grabbed my mom and showed her,

743
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: and she was very shaken by this. We finally told

744
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: my brother and my dad the story, and my dad,

745
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: always the skeptical one, once again threw the ball out.

746
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: So you might be asking, how do you know he

747
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: threw the ball out or why didn't he burn it

748
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: or something, and then he says, well, my good service.

749
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: Time went on. I moved out, grew older, and got

750
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: my own house with my fiance. Never for one day

751
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: that I think about the ball until I came home

752
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: one day and sitting on my desk, it's the ball.

753
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: M Now, my fiance clearly here's me gasp and sees

754
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: me looking at it, and she says, while doing laundry,

755
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: she found it under a pile of clothes and assumed

756
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: it was ours for the dogs. So I tell her

757
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: the story and she's quite disturbed. But now I can't

758
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: get rid of it because I know it will come back.

759
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: So now it sits in my cabinet of curiosities. Now.

760
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll see this story, but if

761
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: you would like pictures of the ball, I'll be more

762
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: than happy to send them. Wow, I found that story

763
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: somewhat chilling. Hey, yes, I think, so let's talk about it,

764
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: and then I want to offer up my hypothesis. I

765
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I feel like there is

766
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: a rational explanation. But it's like I said, like I mean,

767
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: the one brush with the afterlife or with with ghosts

768
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: that I ever had. I felt it in the moment

769
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: as though I were truly experiencing something supernatural, and then

770
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: only a day or so later, was able to explain

771
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: it away with what it really was. Um, it didn't

772
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: change that feeling though, you know what I mean. I

773
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: still felt some connection and and and I wonder, I

774
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: think even explaining away this a story like this, I

775
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: think the feeling is still there. Um yeah, we did

776
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: the ball have malicious intent? This is one of those

777
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 1: like cursed objects. It's just trying to freak people out.

778
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: Or is it the kind of ball that will like

779
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: bounce under someone's foot while they're walking down the steps

780
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: and like, you know, take them out. There are a

781
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: couple of things we have to establish here that we

782
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: don't have the information for, so we have to you know,

783
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: let's just talk about it, and let's let's see what

784
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: you think. I don't know if you guys are picturing

785
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: the same blue ball in your mind as I am.

786
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: We grew up in the eighties and nineties. I see

787
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: this old ball that I had. It was called it

788
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: was Yeah, it was definitely called a sky bounce. I

789
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: think that was what it was called. It was a

790
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: little blue rubber ball that was meant to bounce very

791
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: very high. Um, maybe that's not it. That's what I

792
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: remember and what I had. Those in particular would come

793
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: in like you could get them in multiples, like three,

794
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: like racquetballs or yeah, like a tennis ball situation exactly. Um.

795
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if that's what it was, or if

796
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: it was you know, something that was just in the house.

797
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: It may have been from the seventies or even earlier,

798
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: a different kind of rubber ball. As we know, rubber

799
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: has been around for a long time. But what what

800
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,959
Speaker 1: do you guys picture in your head? A super ball? Yeah,

801
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: like exactly like that, one of those like dense rubber

802
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: blue rubber balls that bounced really really high. So what

803
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: I immediately thought of when I register originally was the this,

804
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: and I put it in our group chat here for

805
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: anybody's familiar with racquetball, there's a specific type of surface

806
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: or substance they're made of, which is rubber like but synthetic,

807
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: and a bunch of like if you had dogs, you

808
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: probably you might have had some of these, or growing up,

809
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: if your if your parents played sports, or if you

810
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: played a sport like racquetball. Uh, these these are pretty familiar.

811
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: But one thing I know about you guys, One thing

812
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: I learned from the Haunted Objects episode. You know I'm

813
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: always pushing explore more paranormal stuff, is that we have

814
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people who feel that they have weird

815
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: stuff in their houses. I think I mentioned the oh,

816
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: I can look at it now, just at the edge

817
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: of the darkness from the laptop I mentioned, I have

818
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: that carving that I just try to be as respectful

819
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: to a non. I try not to engage with it

820
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: very much, like to the point where I'm not super

821
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: comfortable carrying it around. And I know there's not a

822
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: logical explanation for that, but there is a long history

823
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: kind of of UM once a trope, almost the inescapable object, right,

824
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: it's it's almost a predecessor. I'm sure there's some there's

825
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: some academic somewhere who's who has made this an argument

826
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: for UH, like an allegory for the problems of capitalism. Eventually,

827
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: at some point you realize your possessions own you, So

828
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: that's UH. But I don't think that's what we're talking

829
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: about here. I think this is a legitimate question from

830
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: someone who's thinking very rationally about what the hell has

831
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: happened over my life such that I may be being

832
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: pursued I haunted ball and if so, what does it mean?

833
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: And also props to your her fiance for taking you

834
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: seriously and not being that stereotype in a horror movie.

835
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: I hate when that happens. It's lazy, right, Oh, it's

836
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,959
Speaker 1: only the wind, you know what I mean? Which I've

837
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: gotten overly developed analogy for UM as it relates to

838
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: real life events. But yeah, I don't know. I'm interested

839
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: to hear more hypotheses, and I think I know where

840
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: you might be going there, Matt, Sorry if I deralled

841
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: this a little. These are sold in multiples often, that's yes,

842
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: and that's exactly where I was going. I was imagining

843
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: a handball racketable. I think this, the one I mentioned,

844
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: is a handball set that you can get in one

845
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: of those packages. And I was just imagining wherever they originated.

846
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: However they got into the house of the first place.

847
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they did come in multiples. Maybe a couple of

848
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Speaker 1: them got put away. Maybe he was really young or

849
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: this person was really young when they were playing with

850
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: the balls more often or more frequently, and then both

851
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: he and mom forgot even had them, because who cares.

852
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: There's just a couple of balls we got a long

853
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: time ago. One ended up and weigh in the back, win,

854
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: ended up down here, winning up over there in a drawer.

855
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Speaker 1: Just uh that that's that's my It was just the

856
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: wind scenario. But it's I mean, that's possible, right, Like

857
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: there's also the question, um, well, I have I run

858
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: with sketchy crews of ethically dubious people. So one of

859
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: them and I'm related to quite a few of them

860
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: as well. So one of my questions was, like, could

861
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: your family be purposely pranking you fiance bonding with her

862
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: in laws and they're like, don't say anything, which, just

863
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: take this ball and put it under the clothes. Okay,

864
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: you are the best daughter in law. Oh my good

865
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: is gonna be epic. That probably didn't happen, and I

866
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: think you would have known, like based on the way

867
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: your fiance reacted to your distress, which again speaks very

868
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: highly to their character. Um makes me think that there

869
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't be any pranks or shenanigans. You know. It's just

870
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: it's something my family would certainly think it is hilarious,

871
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: but that's luckily not the case for other families. I mean,

872
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: what do you guys, what do you guys think? That's

873
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: that's the big thing. The time interval, right, the pause

874
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: for years of never seeing this. How how long was it? Oh? Yeah,

875
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: he said it was was kind of like a flash

876
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: forward sequence in a horror movie, you know, where it's

877
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: like ten years later. But let me see what the

878
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: actual number is real quick. Sorry, guys, I don't mean

879
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: to interrupt your ben I keep thinking about your prank

880
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: angle now, and I'm just imagining, Uh, this person is

881
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: going to be you know, they're gonna arrive home and

882
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: they're gonna find the blue ball once again, like in

883
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: the microwave or something, and they're gonna open it up,

884
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: see it in there, and then Tracy Morgan's gonna pop

885
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: out and be like, ha, are you scared? It's scared. Oh,

886
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be scared, like the ball was Bruce Willis

887
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: the whole time. Wait wait wait, during the lead here,

888
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: Tracy Morgan had a prank show. Uh, Tracy Morrigan recorded

889
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: a bunch of segments for a prank show. Got it

890
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: completely separately from the show. Okay, uh, And I realized now,

891
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: just doubling back, it doesn't have an exact year. It

892
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: was just a few years later we moved. But this

893
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: whole thing reads like you know that story and it

894
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: was one of those kids books that actually was pretty

895
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: scary about the girl with the ribbon around her neck

896
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: and then on her deathbed, like the husband like takes

897
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: the ribbon off, and the punchline of the whole story

898
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: is and then her head fell off and the ribbon

899
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: is like this thing that like chases them throughout their

900
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: lives or whatever ends up being this spooky thing that

901
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: she was dead the whole time. But to me, I

902
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: just picture this rubber ball as being the most obnoxious

903
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: and just like dogged, kind of like a supernatural nemesis

904
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: just bouncing after you, And like, I want to see

905
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: a real horror movie that really uses like you know,

906
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: horror movie troup where you're literally just running away from

907
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: a rubber bouncing ball and it kills people by like

908
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, tripping them and making them fall to their death.

909
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: You know that reminds me. I always wondered what the

910
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: true form of the antagonist and it follows is, right,

911
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: because it looks like when it's chasing you, you're the

912
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: only one you can see it, and it looks like

913
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 1: various people from your lives. But what if it's true

914
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: form is just a blue racquetball or handball? Also, I

915
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: also thought, you know, are we being unfair about the

916
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: motivations of the ball. What if it just wants to

917
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: hang out? What if out of billions of people, it's woody,

918
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: the blue ball is woody and it shows you Pokemon style,

919
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That's dope. We're trying to

920
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: put a positive spin on this, but it is it

921
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: is tough to explain, and I think, um, I think

922
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: that a lot of people, regardless of whether you feel

923
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: that you are spiritually connected to some higher plane or

924
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: whether you are a die hard you know, atheists, skeptic

925
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: so one, I think we've all had experiences like this

926
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: that make you, you know, just want to double check

927
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: that the doors are locked, make sure the lights are on.

928
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: And then you think a blue rubber ball can open

929
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: doors like a velociraptor if it goes fast enough. Yeah,

930
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: it sounds really hard on each side from left to right. Man,

931
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: I would say, so I just want to keep all

932
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: the lights off on purpose, but it's definitely me. Yes,

933
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: I have to have this on. So it's not you know,

934
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: you got me, you got me. It's fair. It's fair

935
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: point ball point. Um, Yeah, that's that. That is true, Noel.

936
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: Since this this is the story you brought, I think

937
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: the last word goes to you, Matt. I think Matt's

938
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: got a pretty solid thesis going on here about how

939
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: this could be you know, coincidence or a combination of coincidence,

940
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: and just like you know, being the victim of thriftiness

941
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: and suying rubber balls in bulk. But I do I

942
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: feel like the I feel like the listener would have

943
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: remembered that, remember buying you know, a massive pack of

944
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: these things. But it definitely is something that could figure

945
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: into it. Um. I don't know, man, I've seen some

946
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: spooky stuff. This this, this certainly could be a thing.

947
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: But I just what is the ball's intention? What does

948
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: it want? Can a ball want anything? Guys? I think

949
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: we've established it. Okay, it's the ball wants to get

950
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: played with. The ball needs some racket ball time and

951
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: it's been waiting for it and it just never got it.

952
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: So it's like maybe if I'm closer to the the

953
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: socks in the soft drawer or to you know, the

954
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: workout shorts, it just wants you to play with it

955
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: forever and ever and ever. So that's the takeaway, folks.

956
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: Make sure to play with your balls. You know, there

957
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: may be consequences. Can we keep that in, especially if

958
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: they're blue? All right, doc? Can we keep that one

959
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: in you guys? Alright? I say we keep it okay,

960
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: all right, well the doctors spoken. Uh, thank you so

961
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: much everybody for tuning in, as you know, as a

962
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: null indicated we have. I think all of us, as

963
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: individuals in a group have greatly immensely enjoyed reading your

964
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: accounts of things you cannot explain, things that exist just

965
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: on the edge of what we acknowledge to be reality.

966
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: So please do not hesitate to send us more. If

967
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: you want to tell us your personal experience with things

968
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: like in c i CE, we would love to hear

969
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: that too. We do our best to protect your anonymity. Uh.

970
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: And if you want to give us your take on

971
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: radicalization online or you know, if you have an inside

972
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: scoop on blue Face whom we're not too familiar with,

973
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: we'd like to hear that too. We try to be

974
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: easy to find online. That's right. You can find us

975
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: on Twitter and on Facebook. Or we are conspiracy stuff

976
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff show on Instagram, also conspiracy stuff on YouTube.

977
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: That social media too, ha ha. On TikTok, we are

978
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: not and on what else? I don't know you guys

979
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: are on TikTok. Maybe you want to share your things someday,

980
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: not not yet though, Nope, okay, I don't have a

981
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm that's I don't have a TikTok, nor

982
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: will I ever mark my words makes sense not uh

983
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: no TikTok today, but Pinterest as always, you can find

984
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: all of our stuff on Pinterest. That's really that's you know, uh,

985
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: that's really where the seed of the show started is

986
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: as a as a Pinterest board. Most of your favorite

987
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: podcast started as Pinterest boards. That is a fact. There

988
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: is no need to google it. Did see? Did you see?

989
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: We had actual listener correspondence about not being able to

990
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: find us on Pinterest. I think somebody missed a joke

991
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: and they're somewhere. Look it, don't get me wrong, I

992
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: know it's it's great for a lot of people, you

993
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's it's a cool next step

994
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: of the vision board. Um, and there's some ritual to it,

995
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, but we we are not aware of

996
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: a stuff they want you to have interest yet. But

997
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: if you want to start one, then that's that's up

998
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: to you very much. So um, you know, guys, before

999
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: we wrap, we hinted at another secret message that we

1000
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: were going to read on the show today. So let's

1001
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: make sure we do that right at the end. That's right, Yeah,

1002
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: we'll do it right before the email, how about Okay? Okay,

1003
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: So the next thing. If you don't want social media

1004
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: is our phone number. You can give us a call

1005
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: at one eight three three s T d W y

1006
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: t K three minutes of the time that you shall

1007
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: have to leave a compelling voicemail if you feel like

1008
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna take longer than that, or you want to

1009
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: just like wrap, do that via email, because we actually

1010
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: use the audio from these things in our weekly listener

1011
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: mail episodes. Let us know if it's okay to use

1012
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: your audio and what to call you. And before we

1013
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: get to the email, let's check in with Pete from Australia. Hi, Pete,

1014
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: here's what you said. You said, Hey guys, Pete here

1015
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: from Melbourne, Australia. It's been on my mind for a

1016
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: long time and checked back through your shows and failed

1017
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: to find you guys covering it. What is it? It's

1018
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: one of the biggest lies out there today, the cover

1019
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: up literally of Mars past civilization. That's proven in the

1020
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: thousands of photos taken by the various rovers over all

1021
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: these years. Exclamation points. I thought you guys were the

1022
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: kings of stuff they don't want you to know. And

1023
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: I play your podcast loud in my workshop, so all

1024
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: across the land can hear the truth? L O L.

1025
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: But it looks like I have it wrong. Sounds like

1026
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: the powers to be have got you all quiet on

1027
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: this one. I believe you guys are big scarity cats

1028
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: for not wanting to see the truth or have you

1029
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: been paid off? L O L. Surely you all know

1030
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: many many picks exist and the proof is there if

1031
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: you dare to look, not just the pyramid face, etcetera.

1032
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: That's old news. And then it continues. The various statues,

1033
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: acres of shrapnel and strange mechanical odd items, sometimes clearly

1034
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: and not so clear, continue to freak us out. To

1035
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: think another civilization existed on another planet is just incredible.

1036
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: And I know the phrase by Carl Sagan incredible findings

1037
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: require incredible proof or something like that. But in but

1038
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: in saying all that, I love your show and enjoy

1039
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: you guys sharing your vast knowledge and intelligent discussions, but

1040
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: it just keeps nibbling at me like a sick rat

1041
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: eating a good cheese. So come on, oh no, why

1042
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: haven't you covered this issue? So I think we can.

1043
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: I think we can stop it there, right, Yeah, I

1044
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: think that's it. I think we can stop it here.

1045
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: So Pete all to say, thank you so much for

1046
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: emailing us. This made our day. Um, why of the

1047
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: stay tuned and find out? Yeah, the check your feed? Pal,

1048
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: do you suggest you check your feed for yesterday's episode? Boom?

1049
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: Remess what time? Oh snap? Check your episode? Beat? Yeah,

1050
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: how's them Melbourne's Oh sorry what that's another thing? All right,

1051
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm done. If you want to take a letter from

1052
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 1: the Book of Pete and communicate with us directly, as

1053
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: Pal Noell was saying, then do so at our email

1054
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: address where we are available twenty four hours day uh seven,

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