Speaker 1: So I recently met an old friend started dating this guy,
Speaker 1: and it was one of those experiences that you don't
Speaker 1: have as you get older, where you just like immediately
Speaker 1: bond with somebody. You're like, oh, we're going to be friends,
Speaker 1: We're going to just like and so he and I
Speaker 1: just started. He's a cinematographer and a director and has
Speaker 1: worked in the industry forever, started as a camera operator. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we were like just having that, Like we had two
Speaker 1: days at a convention and we were just having so
Speaker 1: much fun talking and at one point he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: I worked with I worked with Will Fredell. And I
Speaker 1: was like what, and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: he tell me this story. He worked on Go Fish
Speaker 1: with you. He was a camera operator on Go Fish,
Speaker 1: the show that you did after Okay, he told me
Speaker 1: the funniest story. He's like, you know, he's like, there
Speaker 1: was there was a there was a young woman who
Speaker 1: was a I think she was a stand in or
Speaker 1: maybe a guest star. And he's like, and there's Will.
Speaker 1: He's like the handsomest, coolest guy with the teen bead
Speaker 1: hair and everything, and he's asking me for advice. How
Speaker 1: do I talk to this girl, and he was like
Speaker 1: it was so adorable. I was like, no, that sounds
Speaker 1: like Will, that's what he's like. I just remember being like, dude,
Speaker 1: like you're asking me, I can't help you, like you
Speaker 1: gotta just talk to her, but to talk to some
Speaker 1: girl on set and you and he was like just baffled.
Speaker 1: But he loved it. He was like, yeah, Will and
Speaker 1: I had a great time. It was so fun to
Speaker 1: hang out a team. Charles. I actually don't know his
Speaker 1: last name, but yeah, but he was the nicest guy,
Speaker 1: and like that's good.
Speaker 2: First of all, we're gonna blow past the fact that
Speaker 2: you're out there making new friends.
Speaker 3: I mean, are you surprised?
Speaker 1: What do you?
Speaker 2: But it's just it still hurts occasionally. I mean when
Speaker 2: you realize that we're not enough for you.
Speaker 4: Oh well no, but you should know that. Because he
Speaker 4: has the opportunity to hang out with us, and we
Speaker 4: are on the road, you'd think, well, who else would
Speaker 4: you hang out with?
Speaker 3: Guess what the answer is almost anyone?
Speaker 1: Anybody.
Speaker 2: Anyone else is the answer for writer, anyone else be like, hey,
Speaker 2: you guys, I.
Speaker 1: Spend a lot of time with you.
Speaker 3: No you don't, yes, I do. Just we're here to
Speaker 3: tell you no, you don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guys don't come out with me. I'm always
Speaker 1: like after a show, I'll be like, hey, let's go
Speaker 1: get a drink, let's go get some food, and you
Speaker 1: guys are like, I'm going to my room, I'm ordering
Speaker 1: in and I'm going to sit thirty.
Speaker 4: Hold on, Also, that's not true. We do that when
Speaker 4: you're like, I'm going out with my friend. You don't
Speaker 4: even invite us to go along with you.
Speaker 1: So we go.
Speaker 3: Okay, Then I guess Will and I will go to.
Speaker 1: Bed separately, separately. Yeah, that's yeah, I agree. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: thought it was funny to make a kid have a
Speaker 1: story that went back to two thousand Wilfred Dell. I
Speaker 1: was like, that's exactly my friend Will like, you know him, Well,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't talk to girls, And.
Speaker 5: Luckily now I don't have to Susan, which is great.
Speaker 3: Do you find it easy to talk to Susan most
Speaker 3: of the time?
Speaker 1: A lot of times he has to call me and
Speaker 1: be like, how do I talk to her? Will? Come on?
Speaker 1: I wanted to go on a date with me. I'm
Speaker 1: still convinced.
Speaker 2: I just like to let her know that, you know,
Speaker 2: I try to keep her down as much as possible
Speaker 2: because if she finds out that she can do better
Speaker 2: than me, which she can, I'm screwed right, She's out.
Speaker 2: So I just try to make her feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: this is the best you can do, knowing full well
Speaker 2: she could throw a stone.
Speaker 1: And hits somebody better than me.
Speaker 4: So yeah, hopefully she did marry you though, So that's
Speaker 4: a good sign.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. It's usually a good sign that
Speaker 1: it can work, that it will work out. So that's good.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel.
Speaker 1: I'm right or strong, and I just don't know how
Speaker 1: to talk to her. So if I mean do I
Speaker 1: just go, I'm will.
Speaker 4: This past month, a TikTok video from creator Nicole's story
Speaker 4: Dent went viral where she was walking through her local
Speaker 4: department store and noticed something very familiar. The mannequins displayed
Speaker 4: on the floor were wearing outfits that looked almost exactly
Speaker 4: like clothing scene on Boy Meets World, Sean Corey.
Speaker 3: Mister Feeney, even Minkis.
Speaker 4: She matched the looks with screenshots from the show, and
Speaker 4: it was mind blowing.
Speaker 3: Now is then?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 3: Is now? We are all connected. That's right. Thirty years later, time.
Speaker 4: Is a flat circle, and now it appears our classic
Speaker 4: nineties wardrobe is again in style and being marketed to
Speaker 4: young kids and adults prepping for spring.
Speaker 3: How does that happen?
Speaker 4: How do short sleeve shirts on top of long sleeve
Speaker 4: shirts and sweater vests with military style, fuzzy collared jackets
Speaker 4: and wool professor blazers find themselves available in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: six decades later. That's the work of a good costumer.
Speaker 4: A few seasons back, we talked to the great Sarah Moskowitz,
Speaker 4: who was a driving force and getting us out of
Speaker 4: those XXL shirts and into clothes that actually fit.
Speaker 3: But from seasons three.
Speaker 4: Through seven there was another name we remembered fondly, and
Speaker 4: that is this week's guest.
Speaker 3: Young enough to be a part of our crew.
Speaker 4: She came from the world of Martin Lawrence, working on
Speaker 4: his stylistically forward sitcom and movies, and then joined us
Speaker 4: and stayed through the finale.
Speaker 3: And since those.
Speaker 4: Days her resume is chock full of projects cooler than
Speaker 4: Boy Meets World. We've got Vampire Diaries, Breaking Bad Ocean's
Speaker 4: eleven American horror story and recently a show that earned
Speaker 4: her an Emmy nomination, Star Wars the Mandalorian. How she
Speaker 4: was unable to get us cast as Stormtroopers we will
Speaker 4: never know. And so now we are excited to welcome
Speaker 4: a crew FA favorite to Pod Meets World. The reason
Speaker 4: our costumes are now years later hip with the kids.
Speaker 3: It's Julie Yang Silver, Julie.
Speaker 1: Are you there?
Speaker 6: Yes? Well not?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 3: You have not changed a single.
Speaker 1: Day, the same everybody.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, get you guys. Hi, We're so now.
Speaker 6: Oh it's been like twenty five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't think I've seen you since
Speaker 1: the show ended, right.
Speaker 4: Like, no, so twenty six years ninety nine. Really, I
Speaker 4: mean the show own off in two thousand. But oh
Speaker 4: my god, we are so happy to see you. And
Speaker 4: I want you to know, like ninety five percent of
Speaker 4: our memories of you involved the idea that you were
Speaker 4: very very cool. So will you please set the record straight?
Speaker 4: Were you very cool?
Speaker 6: I was very cool. I got so to your age.
Speaker 6: I thought you guys were amazing, And I mean there's
Speaker 6: a whole story behind it. I mean I look back
Speaker 6: now and I'm like, holy crap, I was twenty six, yeah,
Speaker 6: which is so weird because it felt like I was
Speaker 6: so much older, you know, and you guys really weren't.
Speaker 6: I mean, I wasn't that much older than you nothing,
Speaker 6: you Will.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you were twenty six when you started or
Speaker 1: when you finished?
Speaker 6: No, I think I was. I was twenty six when
Speaker 6: I started, because I think it was yeah in ninety.
Speaker 4: You started in like ninety six. Yeah, yeah, wow you
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: I was, I'm not that much older. No, So I
Speaker 1: was sixteen then, and Will would have been.
Speaker 3: Like what.
Speaker 1: One? Yeah like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my god, so funny.
Speaker 4: It was one of the first things I said when
Speaker 4: we were talking about having you on and Jensen was
Speaker 4: asking about, you know, things that we remember, and I said,
Speaker 4: more than any other crew member, it felt like you
Speaker 4: were just our age.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, Julie, you must have been the youngest
Speaker 1: crew member then, right.
Speaker 6: I was. I don't know if you guys recall, but
Speaker 6: I went and got my US citizenship and I went
Speaker 6: to night. It was on a Friday night we were taping,
Speaker 6: and I went and got sworn in, and then I
Speaker 6: came back to the show and we were just started
Speaker 6: and I was like, yeah, I'm legit, and I had
Speaker 6: like my little thing. They put me on camera and
Speaker 6: I was like, this is so weird.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: So it would have been a Thursday night because we
Speaker 4: taped on Thursdays.
Speaker 6: That's right, it would have been a Thursday night. But
Speaker 6: I just remember it was the best time with you guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really so much fun. Another thing I
Speaker 4: have to talk to you about because again I've been
Speaker 4: so excited to have you on, and we have talked
Speaker 4: so much on our podcast, so much about Will and
Speaker 4: I smoking. I think I'm now at the ripe old
Speaker 4: age of forty four. I think I'm old enough to
Speaker 4: admit to my mother the very first cigarette I ever
Speaker 4: had was when I stole from Julie.
Speaker 1: Corrupting the youth.
Speaker 4: She had a pack of smokes, like in her bag
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, were you was it Marlboro
Speaker 4: reds lights lights?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I going out with Will and would be like outside,
Speaker 6: be like all.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, and you were like away from your bag,
Speaker 4: and I think you knew.
Speaker 3: I think you kind of.
Speaker 4: Knew I was stealing cigarettes from you, and you were
Speaker 4: just like, I'm not going to pay any attention to this.
Speaker 1: But I.
Speaker 4: My first cigarette I ever had was one I stole
Speaker 4: out of your bag and then smoked alone, like.
Speaker 3: A weirdo who had the first cigarette?
Speaker 4: Like, but what they steal and then smokes alone like
Speaker 4: a total weirdo.
Speaker 3: But I did, just I have.
Speaker 4: I have thought of you many a times over the years.
Speaker 1: When you wake up in the morning coughing.
Speaker 3: Julian Bright.
Speaker 6: It was so weird because I saw you had changed
Speaker 6: your last name, and so I sent you know, and
Speaker 6: it it's the message. I think it was like two
Speaker 6: or three years ago. And then when this whole thing
Speaker 6: came up, I saw you responded you were like, oh
Speaker 6: my god, I never.
Speaker 3: Saw this so funny on Instagram.
Speaker 6: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: Okay, well I just wrote to you on Facebook.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Mine was on Facebook.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, because when we when we talked about wanting
Speaker 4: to have you on I said, let me see if
Speaker 4: I can find her on Facebook. And then I found
Speaker 4: you on Facebook and saw your message and was like, hey,
Speaker 4: just seeing.
Speaker 3: This, oh, which was the truth.
Speaker 2: Danielle's got a history of maybe not seeing messages so
Speaker 2: much on Facebook.
Speaker 3: I know, we are so happy to have you here.
Speaker 3: I have to know.
Speaker 4: I want to jump into how what is your costuming
Speaker 4: origin story? What did how did you get the job
Speaker 4: on Boy Meets World? Was Boy Meets World's your first job?
Speaker 4: How did you start at such a young age?
Speaker 6: Okay, so I did go to a fashion school for
Speaker 6: like a year. I couldn't afford it, and I ended
Speaker 6: up just I was going to merchandise marketing and I
Speaker 6: was at FIDM. Couldn't afford my second year. So then
Speaker 6: I was like, Okay, well, I'm just going to keep
Speaker 6: working in the industry. Cut to a couple of years later.
Speaker 6: I was dating this guy who was a stage manager
Speaker 6: and the company I worked for went under, and so
Speaker 6: he was like, Hey, do me a favor. Can you
Speaker 6: bring me this, you know, this thing that I left
Speaker 6: at my house? And I was like, yeah, sure, no problem.
Speaker 6: So I go and I'd drop it off and he
Speaker 6: introduced it was back in the Oh my gosh, the
Speaker 6: Power Ranger Error the entertainment. So it was a show
Speaker 6: called Tattoo Teenage Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills Show.
Speaker 1: Awesome show.
Speaker 6: I ended up meeting the designer there and Eddie Castro,
Speaker 6: who was phenomenal, and him and I just kind of
Speaker 6: hit it on and he was super great and he
Speaker 6: was like, oh, will you come help me on something?
Speaker 6: And I was like yeah, sure, you know, and he's like,
Speaker 6: i'll pay you one hundred dollars. And at that time
Speaker 6: I wasn't working. I was actually helping out in my parents' restaurant,
Speaker 6: and so I was like sure. Come to find out,
Speaker 6: it was like sixteen hours.
Speaker 3: Oh for one hundred dollars.
Speaker 6: One hundred bucks. But I had the best time I
Speaker 6: and it was like a commercial, so there was like
Speaker 6: food galore catering. I was like sucked in by the
Speaker 6: food and I thought, oh, well that's like.
Speaker 1: Fun craft service. How they get you out, how they
Speaker 1: get you out.
Speaker 6: So they totally did. So it went really quick. I
Speaker 6: was really lucky got started with him, and within about
Speaker 6: a year I got into the Union amazing, and I
Speaker 6: was working for an actor that I decided not to
Speaker 6: go back to work with him, and my friend Eddie
Speaker 6: calls me up and he was like, Hey, they're looking for,
Speaker 6: you know, like a supervisor slash designer on this kid
Speaker 6: show called Boy Meet's World. I'm like, you've got to
Speaker 6: be me, Like, I haven't done this for very long.
Speaker 6: I've liked supervised. I've been doing this for maybe two years, pops,
Speaker 6: and he was like, no, I think you should go
Speaker 6: do it. So we did a whole board and everything.
Speaker 6: And I was so nervous.
Speaker 1: Oh so you had you had to kind of audition,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ideas of Oh that's so cool.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I had to kind of you know, And
Speaker 6: so I came in and met with Michael Jacobs and
Speaker 6: I was completely nervous, and I was thinking, there's no way,
Speaker 6: you know. I mean, I remember at that time I
Speaker 6: even had I had cut my hair short because I
Speaker 6: looked so young and nobody was taking me seriously. And
Speaker 6: so I went in and Michael was like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 6: and he had, you know, very strong ideas about what
Speaker 6: he wanted you guys to be in, yeah, and everything.
Speaker 6: So I was like, okay, it's you know, I get
Speaker 6: to go shop, you know, I think I can do
Speaker 6: this and lo and behold, you know I did, and
Speaker 6: he hired me. And I was like, why in the
Speaker 6: world did he hire me? Like I had hardly anything
Speaker 6: on my resume, let alone even design. You know, I
Speaker 6: don't even I don't have that creative creative like because
Speaker 6: most designers are like kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: But but the ary is that you're trying to look
Speaker 1: older by cutting your hair. But the reality but you
Speaker 1: being younger was probably an asset.
Speaker 6: It was, it was, and I think, like I think,
Speaker 6: like a year into it, I remember asking Michael. I
Speaker 6: was like, why did you hire me? He was like, well,
Speaker 6: I figured, you know, if I didn't like what you did,
Speaker 6: I just fire you.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's about right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how far we get too into our time on
Speaker 4: Boy Meets World. I got very into the look of
Speaker 4: the Beverly Hills alien fighters when I was doing some
Speaker 4: research on you and Will and writer. I would like
Speaker 4: for you to take a look at some of these
Speaker 4: and Julie, could you please tell us the inside story
Speaker 4: on some of these costumes.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the picture.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, oh my, yes, yes, these are the
Speaker 6: tattoo teenagers from Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, aliens. Yes.
Speaker 6: Okay, so I was helping. I actually didn't design that.
Speaker 6: That was from Eddie was designing it. Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah. That was like back in the days of like
Speaker 6: the power ranges, anything that was like fitted that showed
Speaker 6: off everything and it was kind of great.
Speaker 4: So for our dear listeners who maybe don't see this
Speaker 4: right away. It is lay text, just skin tex, skin
Speaker 4: tight lateext with arm muscles like glistening. But the the
Speaker 4: like body oil glow is also all over the latex,
Speaker 4: so it's just like and then there's masks. Are they
Speaker 4: also Latex masks?
Speaker 6: They were kind of Latex masks, but that stuff gets
Speaker 6: really like ye to eat, eat and hot, so they
Speaker 6: had to make it so it was more like something
Speaker 6: they can just pull over and we put the latex
Speaker 6: over that to help fit it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean in those days, it was like you suffered,
Speaker 6: you sucked it up, and you just did.
Speaker 1: Now were any of these looks on your vision board?
Speaker 2: For I can see shine, and I can see.
Speaker 1: Matt Lawrence could have pulled off some latex. He could
Speaker 1: have It would have been great.
Speaker 6: I think I would pitch for Cory, you know, but.
Speaker 3: I can see that funny.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what you pitched? Do you remember what
Speaker 1: your your board looked like?
Speaker 6: My gosh, it was very he wanted. I mean it
Speaker 6: was back in the whole, you know, t g I.
Speaker 6: So it was all about wholesome, very down to earth.
Speaker 6: I mean, you guys were like the next like happy days. Yeah,
Speaker 6: really normal, you know, Midwest, like everybody wanted to be you.
Speaker 6: So that was what the idea of Disney was doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you get Boy Meets World, Michael hires you
Speaker 4: because worst case scenario, he's going to fire you.
Speaker 6: I kept thinking for like, I want to say, the
Speaker 6: first three months, I was like, he's going to fire me, right.
Speaker 3: I'm not going this job. I'm not the rest of
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my gosh, that's unbelievable. When did you then
Speaker 4: start working with the Red Hot Martin Lawrence?
Speaker 6: That was when I first It was the same thing
Speaker 6: with Eddie. He called me up and he was like, Hey,
Speaker 6: I'm doing this little showtime thing, come do it with me.
Speaker 6: And I was like, oh okay, and so I went.
Speaker 6: We were like out in the desert and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: So then that finished and then he was like, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm doing this other you know show, and that show
Speaker 6: was the one that turned union and I got in
Speaker 6: the union. But it was literally just Eddie, me and
Speaker 6: I think I hired. I hired my friend who I
Speaker 6: ended up firing because show up one day. It was
Speaker 6: like back in the days, like you did everything. I mean,
Speaker 6: I think at one point. I even we had a
Speaker 6: pool scene and I the wind was blowing and the
Speaker 6: actress was on a raft and I actually got in
Speaker 6: the water with a straw to hold her in place
Speaker 6: because I was the smallest one and I fit underneath. Gosh,
Speaker 6: it was a fun It was a fun show. I
Speaker 6: think I even have a little can in it. No,
Speaker 6: he was that it was. It was really funny. I
Speaker 6: had my headset on and they were like, you're gonna
Speaker 6: be one of the go go dancers at the club.
Speaker 6: So they harnessed me up high and I'm on my
Speaker 6: walkie and I'm like telling people like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: get his outfit off, get his hat off. So there's
Speaker 6: like a really quick shot. I haven't seen it. I
Speaker 6: think I decided to blur that away. I was like
Speaker 6: twenty four years old.
Speaker 1: A lot of stuff too, Julie, we blur a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff. Sure, don't worry about it.
Speaker 4: So you you did all of that before you joined
Speaker 4: Boy Meets World.
Speaker 6: Yes, And then from there I went to uh work
Speaker 6: on his TV show, and then I did nothing to
Speaker 6: lose with him and Tim Robbins, who I love. Tim
Speaker 6: was fabulous.
Speaker 2: Oh great, I think one of the kind of underrated
Speaker 2: films of the nineties.
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. This film, Oh Nothing to Lose is
Speaker 1: so great.
Speaker 2: So Martin Lawrence, he plays a carjacker who Tim Robbins
Speaker 2: comes home and he finds he sees his wife Kelly Preston,
Speaker 2: having an affair, and he just walks out of the
Speaker 2: house and he drives and he gets carjacked by Martin
Speaker 2: Lawrence and he looks at him and he just goes, man,
Speaker 2: did you pick the wrong guy and on the wrong day,
Speaker 2: and just takes off with the carjacker in the car.
Speaker 2: And it's the adventure that they then have together, and
Speaker 2: it is just so it's Oda Kirk.
Speaker 1: It's uh yeah Kirk. No, not Bob, Steve Steve Kirk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Julie. I hate to do this.
Speaker 4: I am on the road touring with the Dancing with
Speaker 4: the Stars tour. So I'm gonna hop off because I
Speaker 4: have the bus is waiting for me downstairs to head
Speaker 4: to the venue. The guys are going to finish the
Speaker 4: interview with you.
Speaker 3: We need to catch up.
Speaker 4: Even if we can't see each other face to face
Speaker 4: for a while, we need to catch up. I'd love
Speaker 4: to talk to you over the phone, so I'm so
Speaker 4: mad that I have to miss the rest of this interview.
Speaker 1: But to go about Ryan and I are going to
Speaker 1: do a much interview question why I want to keep.
Speaker 2: Talking about Martin because at the time this show was
Speaker 2: like a cultural phenomenon, the Martin Lawrence Show. And one
Speaker 2: of the reasons I think was because of the look
Speaker 2: of the show that there was a even the the
Speaker 2: the opening title sequence, there's kind of pastel looks and
Speaker 2: there was a vibe to Martin. And how much of
Speaker 2: that did you contribute to when it came to the
Speaker 2: look of the characters.
Speaker 6: Honestly, I personally did not, but because my job was
Speaker 6: just to take care of him, I worked with him
Speaker 6: on a thin line between love and hate. That's the
Speaker 6: show that ended up going union. I mean the day
Speaker 6: we turn Union, I think the gangs we were shoe
Speaker 6: in a very bad area and there was a truce
Speaker 6: call between I think the Crips and the Blood for
Speaker 6: us to be able to film there, and then we
Speaker 6: had a bunch of delays and health issues that Martin
Speaker 6: went through, and they the Crips and Blood got really
Speaker 6: kind of pissed and basically said they gave us, like
Speaker 6: I think like a time frame. And the day that
Speaker 6: we striked to turn Union Are, the neighbors all came
Speaker 6: out and they were like, you guys need to get
Speaker 6: out before sundown because they're going to start taking potshots
Speaker 6: at you. I mean literally, the producers came by. I
Speaker 6: were like grabbing the stuff, and the producers like yelling
Speaker 6: at me, get in your car and leave. And I
Speaker 6: was like, but there's still some clothes. I got to
Speaker 6: get the dressing, the set dressing. You was like, get
Speaker 6: in your car and leave now, and oh, yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: We didn't realize that because we had this huge cast
Speaker 6: like Bobby Brown and you know, obviously Martin, and it was.
Speaker 6: It was a fabulous show. But we had several delays
Speaker 6: and they did not want us there. They did not
Speaker 6: want us in that neighborhood, and they wanted us out.
Speaker 6: So then after that, that's when I went to go
Speaker 6: work on Martin and I basically just took care of him.
Speaker 6: I made sure that, you know, everything that he needed.
Speaker 6: I don't know about you guys, but I mean actors
Speaker 6: have they do have a lot of say in the
Speaker 6: colors and you know what fits. I mean, obviously it's
Speaker 6: a collaborated effort, but you guys do have quite a
Speaker 6: bit of influence.
Speaker 1: Well it's funny because I don't think we thought we
Speaker 1: did back on boybats the world, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: we like Will and I definitely did not have any
Speaker 1: taste or opinions. So was that a good thing for
Speaker 1: you or did you do like you do? You remember
Speaker 1: like dressing us and just telling us what to wear?
Speaker 1: What was your relationship?
Speaker 6: I remember dressing you guys and telling you guys what
Speaker 6: to wear. I also remember at different parts I was like,
Speaker 6: is there something different, like how do you feel about
Speaker 6: this character? And we all would just be like, eh, miswetter,
Speaker 6: you know, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 6: For you it was more of like oh another T shirt, okay,
Speaker 6: with another thing. It was like, you know, we kind
Speaker 6: of went through the little more eclectic trying to make
Speaker 6: you a little more you know, fool and and Will
Speaker 6: was just like sweaters and regular button down shirts and
Speaker 6: you know, so it was we could not go too
Speaker 6: far out. I mean we were really dictated a lot
Speaker 6: by that wholesome yeah, right.
Speaker 1: Right, So was it creatively satisfying at all or was
Speaker 1: it just sort of like a fun job, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of being able to the set and the dynamics.
Speaker 6: It was a fun job. There were times that do
Speaker 6: you guys remember what was that episode that we did
Speaker 6: with like World War two?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 6: That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah right.
Speaker 2: We did have a couple kind of out of when
Speaker 2: you were there, a couple out of the box ones.
Speaker 2: We did the black and white one, like the Casablanca one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we did the fifties. Were you there for the
Speaker 2: fifties one? Or did you came you came after the
Speaker 2: fifties one?
Speaker 6: I came after the fifties one.
Speaker 1: And you did the World War two? So you did
Speaker 1: the forties and then yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: It was we did, and especially for my character, there
Speaker 2: was a lot of times where there put me in
Speaker 2: some pretty weird like we just watched the Honeymoon episode
Speaker 2: where I'm a coconut at one point, and so that
Speaker 2: was that must have been an interesting especially by season
Speaker 2: six and seven, to get a script and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: Will's a tree, Will's a couch, Will's.
Speaker 6: Well, it was kind of like if they were going
Speaker 6: to make anybody anything, it was going to be well
Speaker 6: right right, yeah right, so I know, I know, and
Speaker 6: it's also a very you know within like what that
Speaker 6: five years? Four years? It was hard to keep going.
Speaker 6: I mean, you guys were growing up, right, you know,
Speaker 6: started to actually really find your own identity and what
Speaker 6: you liked and you know, and but we still had
Speaker 6: to keep your character the same. But you guys had
Speaker 6: all grown out.
Speaker 1: Of that, right, right, So do you remember watching us
Speaker 1: go through awful adolescents and awkward faces? I mean, because
Speaker 1: it's so funny because in my mind I thought of
Speaker 1: you as somewhat of a contemporary like you. But I've
Speaker 1: listened to so I mean here I was like seventeen
Speaker 1: talking to you, like, I mean, do you do you remember?
Speaker 1: What do you remember about us personally? Like having to
Speaker 1: listen to our dumb love life problems or what was it?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 6: No, I remember Will when you were dating Jennifer and
Speaker 6: we went through that, oh gosh. And I remember when
Speaker 6: Matthew came in and you guys would to that.
Speaker 2: Singing dancing in front of the audience.
Speaker 6: Yeah, uh huh. And then you know, and I remember
Speaker 6: for a writer, like when Trina came along. She was
Speaker 6: so much older and having that kind of dynamic and
Speaker 6: it was just like wow, he's you know, and you
Speaker 6: did it beautifully. I think the most that I remember
Speaker 6: was more for Danielle because she was you know, and
Speaker 6: I related more to her just because she was a
Speaker 6: female and a young teenager growing up and and society
Speaker 6: and oh my gosh, there were so many discussions, heated discussions.
Speaker 1: About her wardrobe or yes.
Speaker 6: Ye, and that Karen the producer, Karen Machine. Yeah, she
Speaker 6: was a huge Danielle advocate and her not. She would
Speaker 6: me up and we would go against Michael and he
Speaker 6: would just be like, well, no, I don't like. I
Speaker 6: was like, you're never going to open your mouth and
Speaker 6: ever say something like that again. We will take care
Speaker 6: of it. We will. It's like, you know, there's this
Speaker 6: whole like image, right and how people looked and on
Speaker 6: camera it does add weight, you know, and when you're
Speaker 6: of short stature and definitely things change, and so it
Speaker 6: that part we had a tiptoe.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting that you mentioned that because one of
Speaker 2: the things Danielle talked about, and I'm sure she would
Speaker 2: have brought it up if she was not doing awesome
Speaker 2: things with amazing people around the world instead of us.
Speaker 2: We don't hold a grudge, if you know, obviously, I
Speaker 2: put on a bunch of weight towards the end. Danielle
Speaker 2: put on a little bit of weight towards the end,
Speaker 2: But of course it was all about how she put
Speaker 2: on so much weight. And one of the things she
Speaker 2: talked about was during the wedding episode. Specifically, she remembers
Speaker 2: that she was allowed to quote on quote, helped pick
Speaker 2: the dress, but none of them were allowed to be sleeveless. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she thinks that one of the reasons that that
Speaker 2: was is because certain powers that be thought that she
Speaker 2: looked too heavy to show her arms bare.
Speaker 1: Is that, in fact what happened, Yes, it is, so
Speaker 1: you were just constantly having conversations about I was.
Speaker 6: Yes, it was constant conversation. And the thing was, Danielle
Speaker 6: was not heavy. No, no, my god, That's what I
Speaker 6: was trying to explain to them. I was like, she
Speaker 6: is still a size too, Like, I don't know what
Speaker 6: you guys are talking about, but because of her stature,
Speaker 6: and they were so used to seeing because she bloomed overnight.
Speaker 6: I think by the time when I started, she had
Speaker 6: grown outwards and.
Speaker 1: She wasn't eleven anymore. That's what happens.
Speaker 6: Exactly, But that was the thing though, was that you know,
Speaker 6: Danielle's not very tall, so if you are bustier and
Speaker 6: you're not very tall, you're going to look larger, right,
Speaker 6: And but she wasn't, like you guys saw her every
Speaker 6: single day. She was not large at all.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. We talked about it.
Speaker 2: She put on probably she said like maybe eight pounds,
Speaker 2: nine pounds.
Speaker 1: I put on thirty.
Speaker 6: Well nobody really cared, that's right, it's nobody.
Speaker 1: That was the thing that was so amazing. That's the
Speaker 1: double standard, right, talk.
Speaker 2: About my my weight gain and changing my clothes or
Speaker 2: they were just like they don't care.
Speaker 1: They don't care at all. Yeah, let him go be funny,
Speaker 1: he'll put on a bigger shirt. We're fine, exactly.
Speaker 2: But Danielle, there were conversation after conversation about wow.
Speaker 6: I remember specifically, oh, and then like trying to hide
Speaker 6: Trina's pregnancy. But you guys remember the episode.
Speaker 1: The which one the prom Oh yeah yeah, sure.
Speaker 6: Okay, so Trina is like seven months pregnant, so you know,
Speaker 6: so we're trying to hide that. And and it was
Speaker 6: the same thing for Danielle where she needed sleeves and
Speaker 6: I was like, no, that's going to look ridiculous for
Speaker 6: prom like, absolutely ridiculous. So we ended up, you know,
Speaker 6: we did a shawl and I remember Karen and I
Speaker 6: we really went up to bat for that one, and
Speaker 6: we I think Karen and I mostly Karen too, was
Speaker 6: just like, you will never ever, we don't want to
Speaker 6: ever hear anybody say anything to Danielle about this.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay. I was going to ask, does she have
Speaker 1: any was she aware we discussions?
Speaker 6: I think she knew, but we really tried to like
Speaker 6: hide that from her in terms of because you know,
Speaker 6: she's a teenager, like that's going to get in her head.
Speaker 6: And that was the thing that Karen and I were
Speaker 6: both saying, was that she is a young woman and
Speaker 6: that could do so much psychological damage. This is so
Speaker 6: not worth it, right.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: So we were treading very very lightly, and yeah, there
Speaker 6: were some and I'm sure you know, Danielle knew, and
Speaker 6: you know, because I remember there were times when she would,
Speaker 6: you know, we would do sweaters and she would be like,
Speaker 6: I look so huge in this, and I was like, honey,
Speaker 6: that is an extra small yeah right, yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: and it's it was just being on camera like back then, like,
Speaker 6: we videotaped it, so it really did add more in
Speaker 6: with a certain camera angles and stuff. You know, it
Speaker 6: just made her look more compact. Yeah, but when you
Speaker 6: saw her in person, she was not even remotely close.
Speaker 2: No, we just watched the Honeymoon episode and one of
Speaker 2: the things we talked about was the fact that she
Speaker 2: comes out in a negligee. She's kind of naked under
Speaker 2: the under the cover she's doing all this, and I said,
Speaker 2: I was like, how four or five episodes from now
Speaker 2: we do an episode about how you've put on so
Speaker 2: much weight? I mean again, at that point, I was
Speaker 2: used to it so and I was a guy and
Speaker 2: I was funny, so it didn't matter. But as America's sweetheart,
Speaker 2: it was one of those things where we looked at
Speaker 2: her and it was like, how how could they look
Speaker 2: at what you look like there and be like, we
Speaker 2: got to do an episode about how you've put on weight?
Speaker 1: Like written, what how we're seeing the same thing.
Speaker 2: But that's also, I will say, to your credit, that's
Speaker 2: also where being closer to our age than almost anybody
Speaker 2: else on the set that we were.
Speaker 1: I mean that.
Speaker 2: You there were pas and people on the set like
Speaker 2: that were closer our age, but you don't really spend
Speaker 2: a lot of time with them, and it's not as
Speaker 2: intimate a relationship as somebody who's dressing you and we're
Speaker 2: doing fittings and you're doing and your room at the
Speaker 2: time became like our therapy place.
Speaker 1: This is a cool hangout spot. We would go and
Speaker 1: hang out with you. You and I would go smoke.
Speaker 2: I remember you mentioned love, and when I broke up
Speaker 2: with love, I remember you wouldn't you like to help
Speaker 2: me through that? I mean, it was that was one
Speaker 2: of those things where we just we hung out. We
Speaker 2: all hung out, and so it was when we were
Speaker 2: putting on way, breaking up with girlfriends, doing all that stuff, that's.
Speaker 1: We came to you. That was like the room where
Speaker 1: we hung out.
Speaker 6: That you guys are one of the main reasons why
Speaker 6: I loved doing what I did in all honesty, like
Speaker 6: I loved that family feel and everything, but I also
Speaker 6: tried to really make it so like I never you know,
Speaker 6: I didn't go out and party with you guys, or
Speaker 6: because I knew that you guys would be going out afterwards,
Speaker 6: and I'd be like, oh no, I think that's super
Speaker 6: crossing the line. And then but I was still just like, okay,
Speaker 6: you know, whatever you guys needed, I would be there.
Speaker 6: I mean, writer you were talking about, you know, going
Speaker 6: through that transition and everything and watching you guys grow up,
Speaker 6: Like watching you guys like throw your clothes on top
Speaker 6: of the closet when you're done, and we're trying to
Speaker 6: like jump up there to get your you know. By
Speaker 6: the end, I think they finally like begged you, like
Speaker 6: please write or just and you would just like okay,
Speaker 6: you would fold him and then put them on the thing.
Speaker 6: Then then we finally got him to just at least
Speaker 6: throw it on the floor. It was Yeah, it became
Speaker 6: like this game all of a sudden, and poor Cheryl,
Speaker 6: who was taking care of you guys, was just like,
Speaker 6: that's right, I need I need a step stool because
Speaker 6: they keep throwing it on top they keep throwing on
Speaker 6: top of their closet.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I remember specifically being like I had
Speaker 1: to hang up my clothes, like I remember being taught like,
Speaker 1: and so by the time I was like seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'm gonna hang out. But I
Speaker 1: also very specifically remember it being like a game where
Speaker 1: Ben would throw his shirts off. Yeah, throw them as
Speaker 1: far as he could. Yes, Oh my god, Oh, just
Speaker 1: to piss you guys off. I feel like, well, and.
Speaker 6: Cheryl loved Ben, so she would have done anything. And
Speaker 6: I would be like, do I need to talk to him?
Speaker 6: And she's like, no, no, no, he's just being a boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: There's one other word we've heard quite a bit on
Speaker 2: this podcast, and I think it's the same word writer's
Speaker 2: going to say.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: So let's say at the same time rider one, two
Speaker 1: three tank Hank does this ring? Is this ring a
Speaker 1: bell for Morgan?
Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So we just watched the episode and it's where Lindsay Ridgeway,
Speaker 1: who was playing Morgan, goes on their first date at thirteen, right,
Speaker 1: And there's a whole scene where her dad Alan Rusty,
Speaker 1: freaks out about the fact that she's wearing a tankini.
Speaker 1: And we had Lindsay on the podcast and this was
Speaker 1: like one of her core memories from doing the show.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this at all or I remember.
Speaker 6: Bits and pieces. I just remember what was the big deal?
Speaker 5: Right? It was?
Speaker 6: It was made to be such a big deal. And
Speaker 6: and Lindsay plays younger than she really is, right, So
Speaker 6: she was just like what you know, and my whole
Speaker 6: thing was, like in any of that stuff, was just
Speaker 6: to make sure you guys are comfortable in it. And
Speaker 6: if you're not comfortable in it, I will go up
Speaker 6: to bat right. And I don't recall, I mean refresh
Speaker 6: my memory, what did lindsay say about it?
Speaker 1: She just was somewhat traumatized by having to wear something
Speaker 1: so scantily clad, you know, because it's like a weird
Speaker 1: tank top belly showing thing that I don't know if
Speaker 1: we invented the tanking or if the but it was
Speaker 1: it was in the script, so then yeah, you know
Speaker 1: there she just remembers there being a lot of discussion about,
Speaker 1: you know, how scantily claud she was going to look,
Speaker 1: and much how much to show, how much to make Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know, the story point is that she's dressed
Speaker 1: too sexy for her dad, but of course she's still
Speaker 1: actually very much a little girl. And yeah, so she
Speaker 1: just remembers having to wear this, you know, very feeling.
Speaker 6: We had to shorten the top because most tankinis they're
Speaker 6: like one piece, not one piece, but the top is
Speaker 6: goes all the way down to your waist and then
Speaker 6: you have the bottoms I think we had to shorten them.
Speaker 6: I mean it was I would say it was probably
Speaker 6: hardest for Lindsey just because you're in front of a camera.
Speaker 6: You know, you're showing off everything. She's a teenager too, right,
Speaker 6: you know, she's growing up. So I don't know, maybe
Speaker 6: I just blocked it all out of my mind, any
Speaker 6: of the trauma of like things that I had to
Speaker 6: put you guys through.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, So after you leave Boy Meets World
Speaker 1: and and then you downgrade to a movie called Ocean's Eleven.
Speaker 2: With arguably the ugliest cast just in the history of Hollywood.
Speaker 1: So tell us about that. You worked on Ocean's Eleven,
Speaker 1: I did. It's a crazy scene to be a part.
Speaker 1: Oh my, tell us about it.
Speaker 6: It was. It was so much fun. I have never
Speaker 6: like that crew was like clockwork, like we were doing
Speaker 6: seven hour days. Call seriously, because he knew exactly how
Speaker 6: he wanted to shoot it and operated the camera. It
Speaker 6: was just and the entire cast, seriously, they I think
Speaker 6: they only each got like one perk. So to do that,
Speaker 6: to do that movie, that means like you know, like
Speaker 6: I mean, you get stars like George Clooney and Julie Roberts,
Speaker 6: you know, like Brad Pitt, they usually have like their
Speaker 6: own hair, makeups.
Speaker 2: There, you know, personal assistance trailers, yeah.
Speaker 6: Tons of stuff, but they each only picked one thing,
Speaker 6: and I think was it. George had his hairstylists wald
Speaker 6: I think was his name really Waldo, because we were
Speaker 6: always like, where's Waldo? I think Matt Matt had brought
Speaker 6: his own chef Brad. Brad had his own makeup artist
Speaker 6: who also did his hair. I think she did his hair.
Speaker 6: But they were all like I was. I was thinking, like,
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, we're going to be around a bunch.
Speaker 1: Of like diva.
Speaker 6: So much fun. Don Cheetle. I love him to death,
Speaker 6: you know, but you can also and like Brad Pitt,
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, he was hilarious. He was really funny
Speaker 6: and a total gentleman, Like he is the type of
Speaker 6: guy that they're calling people onto set, so you know
Speaker 6: you're running with your step he will stop, holl the
Speaker 6: door open for you and make sure you go through.
Speaker 6: Totally nice, like really down to earth. We partied in
Speaker 6: Vegas a lot, and I remember we would come through
Speaker 6: at like I think it was like five o'clock in
Speaker 6: the morning and I'd be walking down the Bellaggio, like,
Speaker 6: you know, we'd be heading back to where we were
Speaker 6: staying at and I'd see Brad at a table and
Speaker 6: like the entire place was empty except for that table,
Speaker 6: and yeah, and I was walking by and Brad would
Speaker 6: be like, hey, Julie. I'd be like, oh hey, I'd
Speaker 6: walk over and we chat a little bit, and then
Speaker 6: I'd leave and I watch everybody's face like who is that?
Speaker 6: Who is that? I mean, it got to the point
Speaker 6: that we felt like wanting to take care of them
Speaker 6: because they were like real people. Sure, but the fan
Speaker 6: base was very bizarre.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure. Well what is it like?
Speaker 2: I mean, you're going from forget sitcom to film, which
Speaker 2: I want to get into because I know what a
Speaker 2: difference that is. But you're going from working with Disney,
Speaker 2: which is known to maybe squeeze a quarter till the
Speaker 2: Eagle screams, to Ocean's eleven, where you're dressing literally some
Speaker 2: of the best looking people in the history of the world.
Speaker 2: What kind of freedom did you have with that budget
Speaker 2: when it comes to the wardrobe compared to what you
Speaker 2: had on Boyby's World.
Speaker 6: Well, for that, I want to say, because I worked
Speaker 6: really close with the supervisor, and she was the one
Speaker 6: who kind of was like, you need to really start supervising,
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh no, I love being on set.
Speaker 6: I like working with the Actually like, no, you need
Speaker 6: to start supervising. And so I would stay there with
Speaker 6: her at night doing receipts and most of the paperwork stuff.
Speaker 6: So I got to see like the budget wise, it
Speaker 6: is insane.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even imagine.
Speaker 6: Everything on that show because Jeffrey Kurlin was a designer
Speaker 6: and he knew his down to the tee. Like I
Speaker 6: remember like running down the aisles like during the Vegas scenes,
Speaker 6: and he literally would be like, I'm going to change
Speaker 6: that person's necklace. That person needs ear rings. Yeah, there
Speaker 6: are a few designers that do that, and he is
Speaker 6: one of them. But for him, it's the entire look.
Speaker 6: He made every single thing, like every outfit, every shirt,
Speaker 6: Andy Garcia, everything tie, his shirt, his shuit, like everything
Speaker 6: was made down to his shoes. We made him shoes.
Speaker 1: It's so timelessly cool, like when you I love that
Speaker 1: movie and I still watch it because I teach now
Speaker 1: and I use it in screenwriting class, and it's still
Speaker 1: everybody still looks so stylish, like it's not dated at all,
Speaker 1: you know, it has this like everyone is just so
Speaker 1: effortlessly styled and cool. It's an amazing, amazing everyone.
Speaker 6: On that crew. I mean, Sodaberg, he's if you ever
Speaker 6: get a chance to work with him, it is amazing
Speaker 6: to watch. He knows exactly, he doesn't waste any time,
Speaker 6: he knows exactly what he wants, how he wants to shot,
Speaker 6: and it's just done. Like we never waited on the actors.
Speaker 6: They all just came. They all did their stuff like
Speaker 6: nobody was joking around. We were doing seven eight hour days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: That was now, did you what was how big a
Speaker 2: shift is it going from four camera sitcom to a
Speaker 2: film of that size?
Speaker 1: I mean, was this? It's two different.
Speaker 6: Worlds, right, yeah, completely different worlds?
Speaker 1: Is there one you prefer?
Speaker 6: It's so weird though, because I was, I felt like
Speaker 6: after the four camera it seemed such a piece of
Speaker 6: cake compared to everything else. Now, the stuff that we
Speaker 6: did for features, it was it was hard, but you
Speaker 6: had a longer time. You had time to prep it,
Speaker 6: you had time to make it, you know, and you
Speaker 6: had time to dress it, whereas on video or when
Speaker 6: we're doing four camera. It was very quick turnaround. I
Speaker 6: mean we were shopping putting stuff on you within like
Speaker 6: you know, a couple of days, and then you guys
Speaker 6: were on camera and then having to get approved.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't even know who the guest cast was until
Speaker 1: like the day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we would get like maybe the day before or
Speaker 6: something like that. It's kind of like how they patterned
Speaker 6: the episodics. Episodics are the hardest things I've ever done. Wow,
Speaker 6: because you're prepping a show, wrapping a show, and shooting
Speaker 6: a show all within ten days, right and at the
Speaker 6: same time.
Speaker 1: And so this is when you're working on You went
Speaker 1: on to Nip Tuck, Yeah, Empire Diaries and then some
Speaker 1: Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad. Don't work on so many different things.
Speaker 1: It's like some of the coolest shows in the history. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I have been very, very fortunate the people that I
Speaker 6: have been introduced to and have remained really good friends.
Speaker 6: When I started on Nip Tuck, so lou Irick and
Speaker 6: who is the costume designer. She's just amazing. She does
Speaker 6: all of Ryan Murphy's staff, all the Americans, and and
Speaker 6: I adored her and she had this work ethic but
Speaker 6: not only that though, she was so incredibly creative, like
Speaker 6: the things that she would come up with, like she knew.
Speaker 6: But Ryan Murphy, the creator, he was like that, like
Speaker 6: he is the type of man that would call Lou
Speaker 6: up and say, so, I was walking down on fourth
Speaker 6: fifth Avenue in front of oh gosh, what showroom was it?
Speaker 6: And he's like, and I saw this dress, and I
Speaker 6: knew Kimber needed to have this dress. So of course
Speaker 6: we contacted the showroom and everything and found out and
Speaker 6: it was like like a five thousand dollars dress. There
Speaker 6: was nothing written in a script, but he was like, no,
Speaker 6: she is going to wear that at some point, so
Speaker 6: you know, it's down to the tea. That man is
Speaker 6: so incredibly creative and artistic, like he knew, like down
Speaker 6: to the lampshade right exactly how he wants it. And
Speaker 6: you know, and Lou has a huge like pedigree behind
Speaker 6: her too in terms of the shows that she's been on,
Speaker 6: and you know, and it's the details, like she's very
Speaker 6: into like the little details like just the belt could
Speaker 6: completely change an outfit. And she's one of I've been
Speaker 6: fortunate enough all a lot of the costume designers I've
Speaker 6: worked with. She was so incredibly hard working, Like I
Speaker 6: couldn't leave without her leaving. So I would just stay
Speaker 6: there and I would just keep doing paperwork and we'd
Speaker 6: be there for like fifteen hours and she'd be like,
Speaker 6: you need to go home. I was like, I can't
Speaker 6: leave until you leave, right. But we both loved what
Speaker 6: we did, and that was like one of the things
Speaker 6: that I miss so much that I don't, you know,
Speaker 6: get to do as much. But I love those fifteen
Speaker 6: hour days. I love those sixteen hours days. Crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you've got Breaking Bad, You've got Vampire Diars,
Speaker 2: You've got show after show after show that are just
Speaker 2: the coolest things in the world.
Speaker 1: But I want to get into my world, the world
Speaker 1: of the nerd. So what is it like working on
Speaker 1: the Mandalorian? Please tell me Mandalorian stories.
Speaker 6: I worked with Shauna on Angel, okay, And she had
Speaker 6: also done Firefly, which was like.
Speaker 1: A great, phenomenal, great show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then I had just met her and so
Speaker 6: she brought me onto Angel. And when I left Angel
Speaker 6: to go do Niptag, and we kept in touch and everything.
Speaker 6: I helped her out here and there, and when she
Speaker 6: called me, I was like, are you sure, I don't.
Speaker 6: I'm not. I'm not. I think I was like one
Speaker 6: of the only person that hadn't seen Star Wars.
Speaker 1: What no, I have?
Speaker 6: I have I have, especially when.
Speaker 1: I when when you're offering a job on a Star
Speaker 1: Wars TV show, the Star Wars TV show, you had
Speaker 1: not seen a single Star Wars'.
Speaker 6: I know I had seen I think like Empire Strikes Back.
Speaker 1: It started with the second one, Oh my god, oh too.
Speaker 6: I just remembered, like I was, my cousin's are going
Speaker 6: to go watch it? And my other cousin and I
Speaker 6: were like, no, We're going to stay home and play
Speaker 6: all So they all went. And you know, I've seen
Speaker 6: it like bits and pieces on TV, and I never
Speaker 6: watched it from the beginning to end. And I think,
Speaker 6: like five years ago I did.
Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2: That's got to be a totally different type of costuming, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's so yeah. I mean there's appliances
Speaker 2: and there's helmets and guns, which has got to be
Speaker 2: a whole different thing. I mean, is that just a
Speaker 2: whole different world when you get into kind of the
Speaker 2: fantasy sci fi genre.
Speaker 6: Absolutely everything. I mean, I've been in situations where you know,
Speaker 6: everything's made in how you know, or everything's like sent
Speaker 6: out and they're all made, you know, clothing wise and everything.
Speaker 6: I've never been in a situation where we actually had
Speaker 6: our entire costume department, like with specialty people making armor,
Speaker 6: and you had the other special and then you had
Speaker 6: like you know, a specialized person who does all the
Speaker 6: aging and dying down to the tee, and you had
Speaker 6: your painters and just human people on set, just the
Speaker 6: rotating I think at one point it was I think
Speaker 6: just in that warehouse alone, we probably had about forty
Speaker 6: just people in there that I'm constantly just going Okay,
Speaker 6: what is going on? You know, and being thrown into
Speaker 6: that world where they had already done the first Mandalorian,
Speaker 6: they had you know, done Bubba fet they had, you know,
Speaker 6: so they were the crew was amazing, they and they
Speaker 6: were all nerves they have.
Speaker 1: And so you must get to the point because like
Speaker 1: I imagine, you know, when you're when you're working on
Speaker 1: something like you know, uh uh Ocean's eleven, you you're
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the real world, right, so you know,
Speaker 1: like what when you're culturally you're styling towards with something
Speaker 1: like like Mandalorian, you have to just get to a
Speaker 1: point where you know different like tribes that have been
Speaker 1: completely made up, and like do you have to just
Speaker 1: let do you study for that or do you just
Speaker 1: absorb it by by being around it? Like, oh, I
Speaker 1: know that people from this planet dressed like this, people
Speaker 1: from this is what it looks like. Yeah, exactly, Like
Speaker 1: you just figure that, like or is there like a
Speaker 1: is there a book a bible that you have to study?
Speaker 1: How does it works?
Speaker 6: It's actually I talked to a lot of the people
Speaker 6: who are working there more so than anything else, And
Speaker 6: like Alyssa, who was the A C. D. She is
Speaker 6: a wealth of note. Like everybody who work there excluding myself.
Speaker 6: We're huge, huge like Star Wars, like knew the whole trilogy,
Speaker 6: every everything. So when I stepped into Mandalorian, they basically
Speaker 6: shoot pieces of every episode all at the same time, okay,
Speaker 6: and because it kind of flashes back and forth and
Speaker 6: all this stuff. So by the time I came in
Speaker 6: to help with that, they had already done a lot
Speaker 6: of establishing things. So I was just kind of getting
Speaker 6: caught up, and but I was really there to help
Speaker 6: prep and to help start Ahsoka. So That's where my
Speaker 6: training really came in because of all the storm Troopers,
Speaker 6: and I mean I was like up watching the cartoons.
Speaker 2: Because Julie Julia their animated series cartoons.
Speaker 6: Sorry apologies, you're right. I had to stay and watch
Speaker 6: the animated series. And as I was breaking down the
Speaker 6: script things that I didn't understand, I would go back
Speaker 6: and and I would I would ask questions. So there's
Speaker 6: like this whole down to like where the Stormtroopers came from,
Speaker 6: the colors.
Speaker 7: The.
Speaker 1: Clones.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, did you like, didn't you love the
Speaker 5: animated series though?
Speaker 1: Where the animated series is phenomenally good.
Speaker 6: And it helped explain so much because when you're just
Speaker 6: thrown in it, you're just like, uh what yeah, And also,
Speaker 6: like everybody knew all the verbiage was the one that
Speaker 6: I was having a really hard time figuring out. The
Speaker 6: the Lickys, the ones with the you know, the ears,
Speaker 6: and then all the different animations and how we were
Speaker 6: going to do it, and it was so overwhelming. I
Speaker 6: mean it got to the point where I was dreaming
Speaker 6: it and dreaming like what each clone from each error
Speaker 6: and how they evolved and the cold.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite? Do you have a favorite
Speaker 1: like style of Star Wars world, like Planet Tribe, person Team.
Speaker 1: I don't know what are the different things.
Speaker 6: No, they're all different races, and they each have beauty
Speaker 6: in them. I mean, like my favorite outfits in all
Speaker 6: honesty though, I love those red witches. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cool, you know.
Speaker 6: And also it's just there's like this whole history behind
Speaker 6: like when you see one character, but there's like one
Speaker 6: little piece because it that he has on or that
Speaker 6: they'll have on that actually goes back to like yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't know a three other series history indep and
Speaker 6: and a lot of the fan base. I mean they're hardcore.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: If you mess up one night Sister or ven Trists
Speaker 2: or anybody, people are going to be like, well that's wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you thinking? What did you just do? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean that's but that's what I mean. You can
Speaker 2: really do this with anything. I mean, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, that you could say the same thing
Speaker 2: for you know, Jane Austen, for the world of Jane Austin.
Speaker 2: It's like the language has its own kind of thing.
Speaker 2: The costumes is their own thing.
Speaker 1: The every mannerism, it's its own thing. It's a micro world,
Speaker 1: which is what Star Wars is.
Speaker 2: So it's the beauty is Now what do we have
Speaker 2: to do to get you to dress us like stormtroopers
Speaker 2: and put us in something?
Speaker 1: Do you do? You not throw them on top of
Speaker 1: his whole Star Wars stormtroops steal your cigarettes? What else?
Speaker 6: Crazy? Was? We actually had some of the Stormtroopers, the
Speaker 6: the from the original that were made in London, right,
Speaker 6: they were they were beautifully like they looked beautiful, but
Speaker 6: there were cracks and I'm sure back then they I
Speaker 6: mean to make it look amazing, they weren't.
Speaker 7: They weren't functionable, right, right, just like well I remember
Speaker 7: Carol telling me a story about how for Darth Vader,
Speaker 7: the suit is so clunky that they'd only shoot him
Speaker 7: from the knees up because there was a guy lying
Speaker 7: down on the ground holding one foot and another guy
Speaker 7: lying down on the ground holding the other foot, and
Speaker 7: they'd rock him into his position. Because because the costumes
Speaker 7: are so they weren't functional at all at the time.
Speaker 6: They are not functionable at all. So we had actually
Speaker 6: repurposed for the clones, right, We had repurposed, you know,
Speaker 6: some of them and the bits and pieces, and then
Speaker 6: we realized oh my gosh, you can't because there's so
Speaker 6: much action. So then you have the stunt guys and
Speaker 6: every time they got hit and goes. There were so
Speaker 6: many and even you know, like on Mandalorian, like all
Speaker 6: all their jet packs and their helmets to make it functioning,
Speaker 6: you know, they couldn't be made. There was one that
Speaker 6: was for on camera and then there's one for actual functioning.
Speaker 6: And I remember on Manda they had this one scene
Speaker 6: where they wanted, oh gosh, I forgot her name because
Speaker 6: everything is kind of a blur right now, but they
Speaker 6: wanted her to be able to throw her helmet, and
Speaker 6: they called me. My set people called me, and I
Speaker 6: was like, there is no way in hell but you
Speaker 6: throw that helmet. I have one picture and I have
Speaker 6: one that looks half that's for stunts, so they can
Speaker 6: do that. But she cannot take off this other one
Speaker 6: and just throw it because it will crack it.
Speaker 1: It's not Emily. It's not Emily Swallow from the Armor
Speaker 1: who played the Yeah.
Speaker 6: Got oh, I can't think of her name. I'm horrible.
Speaker 6: I'm still the same person. Nothing has changed. I'm horrible
Speaker 6: with names.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you quit smoking. Hopefully you quit smoking.
Speaker 6: I've been like, I know you guys by face and everything,
Speaker 6: but then I start blanking out. It's all menopause. I'd
Speaker 6: blame it on menopause.
Speaker 5: Oh man, Well, we've had so much fun talking to day.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry that Danielle had to bail, but you know,
Speaker 5: I guess my big question for you would be looking.
Speaker 2: Back on your amazing career, which is still going and
Speaker 2: you don't have to say us because we're on right now,
Speaker 2: what's the project that sticks out to you most as
Speaker 2: you're like that that right there is the one I
Speaker 2: want to be remembered for.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 6: I don't think there's any project that I would honestly
Speaker 6: say like I would like to be remembered for. For me,
Speaker 6: every project was special in its own way. But I
Speaker 6: would say it would be a tie between boy Mean's
Speaker 6: World and Niptock. I grew on in Boyman's World, I
Speaker 6: really did. I kind of came into just being more confident,
Speaker 6: but and just being okay because even during boy Mean's
Speaker 6: World it was a weird situation. I technically wasn't. I
Speaker 6: didn't have a costume design title. My title was supervisor,
Speaker 6: so I managed all the paperwork. But yet I dictated
Speaker 6: in terms of like shopping and deciding what you guys wore,
Speaker 6: you know, with Michael Jacobs and the rest of the
Speaker 6: writing crew, creativity wise, not so much. I mean, my
Speaker 6: hands were pretty tied on certain things, so for me
Speaker 6: it was more about paperwork. But you guys were like
Speaker 6: the first group that I really got to create a
Speaker 6: family with. Yeah, and I only have the best memories,
Speaker 6: especially the finale. Yeah we cry. I mean, there's like
Speaker 6: so many the bear, didn't we we had.
Speaker 2: This yeah, which Danielle did not remember, by the way,
Speaker 2: didn't remember the bear.
Speaker 1: Do remember that we had a bear on set.
Speaker 2: Covered in honey and running from a bear And she
Speaker 2: had no memory of it whatsoever.
Speaker 6: I remember it because I remember the guy telling all
Speaker 6: the women like, if you're on if it's that time
Speaker 6: of the month, you can't be on set, He'll come
Speaker 6: after you.
Speaker 1: Yikes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, don't you guys are I mean, I oh.
Speaker 1: Gosh, no. I mean all of our memories are of
Speaker 1: laughing on set. Literally all we think of, Like when
Speaker 1: I think about Boy Meets World, more than anything, I
Speaker 1: just think about us laughing together all the time, just
Speaker 1: all the time. It's so it's such a positive memory,
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for I mean just listening
Speaker 1: to hear how you stood up for Danielle and you know,
Speaker 1: like that is truly like that is an invaluable thing
Speaker 1: that you did. And I was it was necessary.
Speaker 6: Scared though, Yeah, at that point I was kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 6: fire me because you know. And and thank god for
Speaker 6: Karen too, because she was She was a big advocate
Speaker 6: also and was just like we are not doing this
Speaker 6: and and you guys just made it so much fun.
Speaker 6: I will have to say, like the things that you
Speaker 6: guys did. Yes, sometimes.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm so bummed you in North Carolina because I
Speaker 1: just we have to go to dinner, we have to last,
Speaker 1: we have to have like a long three hour meal
Speaker 1: and catch up. We're in North Carolina.
Speaker 6: I'm actually down in Carolina Beach, so it's down Wilmington.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, so much. It's so great to see you.
Speaker 6: It was really great seeing you guys too, And and
Speaker 6: I hope everything has been amazing for you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you as well, And we're so so happy to
Speaker 2: see you and hopefully we get to see you in
Speaker 2: person and give you a big hug soon.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, you guys, take.
Speaker 1: Care you do by Julie Bye bye bye dude. A
Speaker 1: she looks the same, but b what a career? I know,
Speaker 1: no kidding insane. The second I saw her, it's just
Speaker 1: like all the memories come flooding back, and it's just
Speaker 1: like right, we like she was just.
Speaker 2: Part of our our group, like, and we used to
Speaker 2: go to I mean it would by the end, we
Speaker 2: weren't in our dressing rooms at all.
Speaker 1: We would go hang out. We got set, yeah, be
Speaker 1: at craft service. We'd be in Julie's room. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: once I got out of school, I was never anywhere
Speaker 1: but on set. Right, we were just always hanging out
Speaker 1: and just craft Service Julie's room.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We would just be roaming around, laughing, telling stories. I mean,
Speaker 1: just constantly making each other laugh. It's just the best.
Speaker 1: It was such a great and vironment much fun. Her
Speaker 1: laugh is the same. It brought me right back. All right,
Speaker 1: Well we don't have Danielle. Can we can you do
Speaker 1: the outro? What do we say?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: I have to do it because you have to do
Speaker 1: the merch call. Do you want to switch it up?
Speaker 1: Do you want me to be the outro and you
Speaker 1: do them merch call? Uh No, because I don't have
Speaker 1: any idea, So you gotta thank you all for joining
Speaker 1: us for this episode of pod Meats World. As usual,
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