1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Election interference, Donald Trump found guilty on all thirty four counts. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: With Donald Trump being found guilty yesterday in New York, now, 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Republican donors are digging in, saying no surrender. Major GOP 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: donors rallying overnight behind Donald Trump, pledging millions of dollars 5 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: after the guilty verdict, saying quote, we are going all in. 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: That's right. 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: A host of major GOP donors pledging millions of dollars 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: in support for former President Donald Trump after he was 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: found guilty on all thirty four counts in this kangaroo 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: court in the Manhattan business records trial. 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: Many conservative donors already viewed the. 12 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: New York case as a political case solely by design, 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: echoing Republican President of Kennet's view, the Democrat crats want 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: to discredit and weaken Trump ahead of November the fifth 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: election against Joe Biden by saying he's a convicted felon. 16 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: Reuters is now reporting the large group of donors are 17 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: more than happy to put their money where their mouth is, 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: where their beliefs are, and offer financial support to Donald 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: Trump ahead of this twenty twenty four full speed campaign trail. 20 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:35,919 Speaker 1: The outlet pointed to mega donors, including casino billionaire Adelson 21 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: and hotel giant Robert Bigelow, as having lined up behind Trump, 22 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: with their donation set to bolster wave of pro Trump ads, 23 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: door knocking and phone banking in battleground states. Donald Trump 24 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: found guilty convicted on all thirty four counts, saying this 25 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: is far from over Reuters further adding this, the verdict 26 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: also spurred some longtime Trump donors to boost their financial 27 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: support for Donald Trump and in at least one case, 28 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: makes a big donation to him for the very first time. 29 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: Robert Bigelow, among Trump's top supporters, already have given over 30 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: nine million to an outside group supporting him, said the 31 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: criminal proceedings against the former president were a disgrace, saying quote, 32 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm sending President Trump another five million, as I promised 33 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: him another five million, the mega donor said to Reuters. 34 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: Upbeat Silicon Valley tech investor Sean McGuire posts on social 35 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: media side acts after the verdict that he had donated 36 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars to support Trump as well, saying 37 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: the timing isn't a coincidence. Don Tepia, a former Trump 38 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: ambassador to Jamaica, confirmed the outlet that he and a 39 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: small network of family and friends with whom he donates, 40 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: had planned to give around two hundred and fifty thousand 41 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: to the election to support Trump, saying this. After the conviction, 42 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: Tapia told Reuters his group hasn't waivered and would aim 43 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: to give over one million to the pro Trump's spending 44 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: group MAGA Inc. In the coming weeks, saying this, we 45 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: are going all in for him. He also sent Ruters 46 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: a photo of an American flag flying upside down outside 47 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: his home in Paradise Valley, Arizona, to protest the verdict. 48 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: Even CNN sang last night, there is a chance that 49 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: a Trump guilty verdict is going to fire massively for 50 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party massively. 51 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: Take a listen to this. 52 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: Of course, Melissa is still here with me, So Scott, 53 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: your reaction and what are you hearing now You've had 54 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 3: a chance to really talk to a whole lot of Republicans. 55 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: Get on the phone. What are you hearing from them? 56 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: Well, if my phone on the text messages I'm receiving, 57 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 4: or any indication every Republican in the country is matter 58 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 4: in a wet hen. I mean people who are decidedly 59 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 4: non MAGA not. Trump fans are blowing up tonight saying 60 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 4: this case never should have been brought. This is ridiculous charges. 61 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 4: It was egregious use of the criminal justice system. And 62 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm hearing people say I had no intention 63 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 4: of voting for Donald Trump, and now I am. And 64 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 4: then if you ask the Trump campaign what's happening, you know, 65 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 4: they literally broke their online donation portal because people were 66 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 4: rushing to the internet to give them money in the 67 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 4: minutes after the verdict. So I think there's a real 68 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: chance here it's going to massively backfire on the Democrats 69 00:04:59,120 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 4: and help Donald Trump. 70 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: All right, let me I just want to hold this 71 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 3: up on the screen. This is the website that you're 72 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: referring to, the fundraising page that the Trump campaign uses 73 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: for donations. It did go down soon after the verdict. 74 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: Now we're not sure yet why formerly, Scott, but you're right, 75 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 3: people are speculating that it's because so many people wanted 76 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: to donate that it got overloaded. It's back up now, 77 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: So do you really think this is going to be 78 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: a fundraising bonanza. I mean, we have seen this, Scott, obviously, 79 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: on the back of every single indictment, right or conviction, 80 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: but obviously this is the first criminal case. So do 81 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: you think that's what we're going to see? 82 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 5: Absolutely? 83 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 4: And I'm not speculating. I mean, the Trump campaign told 84 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 4: me directly their portal was overloaded, but that's why they 85 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 4: think it went down. But yeah, I think people are 86 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 4: going to go because they're mad. They believe that, after 87 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: everything that's happened with Donald Trump over the last several years, 88 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 4: that you're going to convict this guy on a bunch 89 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 4: of felonies over sex paperwork. It sounds crazy to anyone 90 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 4: who is not in the left wing fever swamps. And 91 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 4: so yeah, I think there's a danger here for demic 92 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 4: cras this blows up in their face. And now Trump's unleashed. 93 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: He can campaign, he can have rallies, he can say 94 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 4: whatever he wants, and I suspect he's going to go 95 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 4: out and make a powerful argument. 96 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 3: All right, So a list to the point that Scott 97 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: just made. He's saying people who said they weren't going 98 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: to vote for Trump now feel like they might Republicans, Right, 99 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: I mean, do you think it's possible that that happens, 100 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 3: that this has a galvanizing effect that is much broader 101 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: and more significant than anything else. Yet it's certainly possible. 102 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: Scott is absolutely correct and how this is being received 103 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: by Republicans writ large, But I'm not certain that. I 104 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: think there's a wide swath of Republicans or moderates who 105 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 3: may vote for Republicans that are like, this is what's 106 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: making me the porn star hush money case. Now I've 107 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: got to get out and vote for Donald Trump. But 108 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: I know I sound like a broken record. 109 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 6: What we'll decide where those voters go is the Biden 110 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 6: campaign's ability to message why this matters and why he's unfit. 111 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 6: Because Donald Trump is remarkably good at having historia gets out, 112 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 6: having everyone singing from the same shot of music. They're 113 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 6: all out talking about the fundraising as we speak. Biden's 114 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 6: largely quiet. So there is a world in which it 115 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 6: really helped. 116 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 3: Do you think that Biden spending the day tomorrow? So, 117 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know what he's gonna do. I'm 118 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 3: probably gonna come out and do something right now. He's 119 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: not scheduled too, but I would imagine you would recommend 120 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: come out, come out fast and hot. 121 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 6: Absolutely, you should have all his surrogates, the vice president 122 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 6: should be out there they should be doing campaign eventsing, 123 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 6: are we really going to elect our first convicted felon, 124 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 6: by the way, when a lot of Republicans want to 125 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 6: take away Selon's rights to vote, or we're gonna put 126 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 6: one in office? Like there's a whole message there. But 127 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 6: he's got to do it. And I'm not sure he's 128 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 6: going to Scott. 129 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's going to why well, it's going 130 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: to open him up to major problems as well. But 131 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: you heard it there, even TNN saying they worry this 132 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: could be a quote major back fire. Donald Trump found 133 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: guilty on all charges in New York. I say it's 134 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: shocking for a simple reason. It is shocking to me 135 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: because I really can't believe this is happening in America. 136 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: I also will say this at the very same time, 137 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised I found him guilty, because this was 138 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: the entire intent from the beginning. You find a jury 139 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: that hates him, in a place that hates him, with 140 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: a judge that hates him, that's given to Joe Biden, 141 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: with a da who ran on locking up Donald Trump, 142 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: with prosecutors on your team that took demotions from their 143 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: big jobs to come and get a conviction of Donald Trump. 144 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: That was the ballgame, and it worked flawlessly. 145 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: Now the question is will there be a repercussion for 146 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: their actions and what's next when it comes to sentencing. 147 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, Senator Cruz and I sat down 148 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: late last night to have that conversation of what's next, 149 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: and I want you to hear what. 150 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 2: He has to say. 151 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: Senator, I want to talk of what happens next. He 152 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: was found guilty on all counts. Some don't even know 153 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: what they were even charging him with, including I think 154 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, because the rules changed at the last minute. 155 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: We talked about that in the last podcast. But let's 156 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: look at the immediate few future. There's a sentencing is 157 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: that is coming the same week as a Republican national convention. 158 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: There is a legitimate chance that a Donald Trump could 159 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: be in jail or b could be under house arrest, 160 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: and that means he wouldn't be able to go to 161 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: his own convention. 162 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: How is that not alone election? 163 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 5: Well, man, that's not gonna happen. But it is the 164 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 5: illustrative of just how ridiculous what's transpired. Is we saw 165 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 5: Trump convicted on all thirty four counts. I have to 166 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 5: bet emotions. I am, on one level, furious this is 167 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 5: an outlet. It is it is a disgusting assault on democracy, 168 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 5: of the rule of ball. But I'm also heartbroken. I'm heartbroken. 169 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 5: I believe that our justice system, our justice is supposed 170 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 5: to provide equal justice under law. And you know, yesterday 171 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 5: and we talked about on Wednesday's podcast, he talked about 172 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 5: the different possible outcomes. We talked about the miracle that 173 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 5: could happen, which would be an acquittal, which I would have 174 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 5: loved to have seen. And we talked about the possibility 175 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 5: of a hung jury. One juror out of twelve people. 176 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 5: One dream will not be part of this sparse I 177 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 5: will not be part of this, this charade. I'm done, no, no, no. 178 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 5: The justice system is not meant to attack your political opponent, 179 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 5: and I won't play a part. Sadly, that didn't happen. 180 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 5: Twelve New Yorkers decided they were Democrat partisans. Now will 181 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 5: I will say a significant part of that was, no doubt, 182 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 5: driven by the absurd jury instructions given by the judge. 183 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 5: This judge has made the New York justice system into 184 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 5: a global laughing stock, and across the planet, people know 185 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 5: that the justice system in New York doesn't follow the 186 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 5: rule of law. It doesn't care about each under law. Instead, 187 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 5: it is a tool to attack your political lenity. That 188 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 5: makes me sad. That's not the way our justice system 189 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 5: is supposed to work. As you asked, what's next, Well, 190 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 5: Trump has been released on his own recongnizzance. The next 191 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 5: step is sentencing. Sentencing is going to happen four days 192 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 5: before the Republican National Convention. In the interim, there are 193 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 5: a series of steps, including Trump has to go to 194 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 5: a pre sentenced evaluation. He may have to submit to 195 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 5: a psychiatrist or psychologist. They prepare a report, all of 196 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 5: the steps that are standard after someone is convicted that 197 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 5: a report gets presented to the judge to help the 198 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 5: judge make a decision about sentencing. We will find out 199 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 5: about sentencing literally the week of the Republican National Convention. 200 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 5: I don't think it is by accident. This entire trial 201 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 5: is designed to an interfere with the election. I'm going 202 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 5: to make a prediction right now. The chances that this 203 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 5: conviction is overturned on appeal I believe are one hundred 204 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 5: point zero percent. It will be overturned on a field 205 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 5: I think the judge knows that. I think the judge 206 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 5: in this trial, then oober Backwards, did everything possible give 207 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 5: jury instructions that just defied the US Supreme Court. President 208 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 5: did not require the jury to be unanimous on all 209 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 5: the elements of the crial. Let the jury nix and 210 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 5: match and pick different potential other crimes to elevate this 211 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 5: from a misumeter to a felony. All of that is 212 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 5: reversible error. The judge knows that, but I don't think 213 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 5: he cares. I don't think the prosecutor cares, because the 214 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 5: objective here is not to get a conviction that sticks, 215 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 5: is not put Donald Trump in jail. The objective is 216 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 5: to stare him. Within minutes of the verdict coming down, 217 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 5: the Biden Whitehouse put out a statement referring to him 218 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 5: as a quote convicted fela. That was the entire point 219 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 5: of all of this. We will hear the words convicted 220 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 5: felon referring to Donald Trump, I'm democratic from the corporate 221 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 5: media one billion times between now and election day. Every 222 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 5: other sentence they say will say bellot, bello, bello, bello, bellot. 223 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 5: That was the point, and they know what'll be reversed 224 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 5: on appeal, but that will happen after election day, and 225 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 5: this is all their effort to try to stop the 226 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 5: American people from reelection Trump. 227 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: All right, let me play Devil's Advocate with you. 228 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: If we're underestimating the Democrats again, I still go back 229 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: to the real question. This judge has gone rogue. He 230 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: went rogue on sentence him. He went rogue from the beginning. 231 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: He's a donor to Biden. If he knows Senator, and 232 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: we use what you just said, that he knows it's 233 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: going to be overturned, why the hell wouldn't he throw 234 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump in jail or under house arrest where he 235 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: can't travel. 236 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 5: Look, I fully believe this judge's partisan enough he would 237 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 5: love to throw Donald Trump in a deep pit, to 238 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 5: throw him in the pit of despair, to use the 239 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 5: Prince's Bride analogy. He would do everything in anything he could. 240 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 5: But I also I don't have any indication that this 241 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 5: judge is stupid. I think he's a partisan. I think 242 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 5: he hates Trump, and I think he's willing to abuse 243 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 5: his power. But a sling, he's not stupid. I don't 244 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 5: know that if he orders Donald Trump sent to jail, 245 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 5: that will be subject to an immediate appeal, and I 246 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 5: think the immediate appeal would be successful. I don't know 247 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 5: if it would be the state courts of New York 248 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 5: or if it would be the federal courts, but I 249 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 5: don't think the courts are going to allow the presumptive 250 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 5: Republican nominee, and I think likely the next president of 251 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 5: the United States to be hauled away to Riker's Island. 252 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 5: By the way, New York State is also a state 253 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 5: where you can assault the police officer, you can punch 254 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 5: a little old lady in the face on the street, 255 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 5: you can practically rape or murder someone, and these imbeciles 256 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 5: won't send you to jail. But if your crime as 257 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 5: being a Republican who was the leading candidate for president, 258 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 5: you're right, this partisan judge just fight said go to jail, 259 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 5: but I think he won't do it. 260 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: So you're saying that if Trump, and this is where 261 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: I love your legal mind, you're saying that it's more 262 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: valuable to not put him under house arrests or put 263 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: him in jail, because then he's the convicted fell in 264 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: through election day. 265 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: Then it's overturned after election day, and you interfere with 266 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: the election results. And if you actually put. 267 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: Him in jail or under house arrests, then it would 268 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: escalate the timeline rapidly, so then he may actually be 269 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: found innocent. 270 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 5: Not innocent. But listen, I think the judge is not 271 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 5: going to put Trump in jail because it would be 272 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 5: bad politics. This is not law, this is not criminal 273 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 5: justice's politics. It would be bad politics because it would 274 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 5: force the appellate courts to act. And I think not 275 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 5: either the partisan judge or the partisan DA want the 276 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 5: appellate courts to give a victory for Donald Trump before November. 277 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 5: So they're not gonna do anything I think to tee 278 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 5: up a legal victory for Donald Trump before November. They 279 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 5: want any legal victory for Trump to be after November. 280 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 5: And I will say, I will give her one caveat. 281 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 5: I could see some scenario or the Trump issue issue, 282 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 5: some sort of house arrest order says you got to 283 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 5: stay at our lago, you gotta wear an ankle bracelet. 284 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 5: I don't think the judge will do that, but it 285 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 5: is conceivable. But you're allowed to go to the convention 286 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 5: and give the convention speech. You're allowed to go to 287 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 5: the debate and participate in the debate. That that house 288 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:53,359 Speaker 5: arrest with enough exceptions that it is not transparently election interference. 289 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 5: It's just obvious to anyone with an IQ above twelve 290 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 5: that it's election interference that is not outside the realm 291 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 5: of possibility. I think that probably doesn't happen either, But 292 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 5: I do not think the judge would be foolish enough 293 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 5: to order it set to jail, because I think it 294 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 5: would force a rapid appellate reversal of that's terrible policy. 295 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: I also want you to hear the second part of 296 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: my conversation with him about the legal chances moving forward 297 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: for Trump to get something done before election day. 298 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: Listen to this, Senator. 299 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: Let me ask you another question, and this is one 300 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: that I've been asked a lot over the last ten 301 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: hours on social media. It's really been popping up, and 302 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: there is a divide when it comes to this court case, 303 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of anger by a lot 304 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: of conservatives that said, see, I told you so, we 305 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: should have gone after one of the liberals out there 306 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: that was committing crimes and gone after them, to say 307 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: to the Democrats, if you do that to Donald Trump, 308 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and. 309 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: Do it to you, and Now there's people that say, well, 310 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 2: there it is. The cat's out of the bag. 311 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: This is law fair and if we're not willing to 312 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: do it back to them, they're gonna keep doing it 313 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: to us. Give me your reaction of people like that 314 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: are extremely frustrated on that aspect of us that we're 315 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: we're playing by the rules they're not, and yet they're winning. 316 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 5: Look, I get that sentiment, and it's frustrating because the 317 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 5: other side, the other side is willing to destroy the 318 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 5: role of law. They're willing to destroy the dciary, They're 319 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 5: willing to destroy our country, uh in persona partisan power, 320 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 5: and and it is It's why I'm so sadday. You know. 321 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 5: I was on Sean Hannity yesterday. I was on John 322 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 5: Hennity tonight. Yesterday. Sean and I got in a little 323 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 5: bit of an argument because the jury was still pending, 324 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 5: and I said, look, I'm holding out hope that maybe 325 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 5: one juror will say no and there'll be a hung jury. 326 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 5: And I'll tell you, Sean laughed at me and he said, no, 327 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 5: New York is too far gone. It's not gonna happen. 328 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 5: Donald Trump cannot get a fair trial in New York 329 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 5: and I didn't want to believe it. I gotta say 330 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 5: John was right. This this justice system, the justice system, 331 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 5: I don't know that it ever recovers from this. It 332 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 5: will always be known as a Democrat, Banana Republican. If 333 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 5: you're a Republican in New York. I think there are 334 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 5: a lot of in New York who are calling their 335 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 5: real estate agents who are looking to leave New York. 336 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 5: If they say, Okay, you cannot count on the rule 337 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 5: of law in this state. I understand the sentiment. If 338 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 5: they're going to burn it down, it we ought to 339 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 5: burn it down. In the views our power, I don't 340 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 5: agree with that. I I at the end of the day, 341 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 5: I believe in the Constitution. I believe in the rule 342 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 5: of law. I don't want power reviews by either side now, 343 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 5: but me that that you get the other side a 344 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 5: free past. My view, I've said many times I I 345 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 5: don't want a Republican Department of Justice. I don't want 346 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 5: a Democrat Department of Justice. I want a department of 347 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 5: justice that follows the law and that prosecutes the individuals 348 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 5: who commit crimes, regardless of their party. So, for example, 349 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 5: I hope if we in January we have a new 350 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 5: president if Donald Trump is reelected, which is what I 351 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 5: hope will happen, and we have a new Department of Justice. 352 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 5: I hope right at the outset, they open investigations into 353 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 5: the funding of these anti American and anti Israel and 354 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 5: anti Semitic protests on college campuses, and they trace down, 355 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 5: follow the money, and they find out our terrorists finding 356 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 5: financing this, our foreign countries financing this. I hope they 357 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 5: use the full investigatory resources of the Department of Justice 358 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 5: to get to the bottom of that. 359 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: Now. 360 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 5: Note, I'm not saying that because I have a target 361 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 5: I want to put in jail. I'm saying that because 362 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 5: I see the evidence of a crime and I want 363 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 5: the Justice Department to investigate that. I'm in the prosecute 364 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 5: whoever is guilty, And sadly, I don't believe the Justice 365 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 5: Department is prosecuting that crime right now, because the foot 366 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 5: side of what they're doing is they will abuse power 367 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 5: to target their enemies, and they will also abuse power 368 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 5: by protecting their friends. And so I get the vindictive instinct, 369 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 5: but I think it's the wrong answer. I think we 370 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 5: should demonstrate that the rule of law matters, and by 371 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 5: the way, there is plenty of real criminality that prosecutors 372 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 5: can pursue without engaging in the blatant abuse of power 373 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 5: we've seen from Democrats in these cases against Donald Trump. 374 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the politics of what we 375 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: mentioned at the very beginning. 376 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: We know from the White House. 377 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: The words that we're going to hear over and over 378 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: again between now and November fifth are convicted felon, convicted fellon, 379 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: convicted felon. 380 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 5: There is a convicted fella. 381 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, right exactly. So how powerful is that going to 382 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: be politically? It is clearly engaged people today on Trump's side. 383 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: I had two people walk up to me today this 384 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: afternoon and they said, I've never given a political donation 385 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: in my life, but damn it, tonight when the website 386 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: gets back up, it crashed multiple times because some of 387 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: you were going to donate. They said, I'm going to 388 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: write a big check. And one of them said to me, 389 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm you know how much I'm going to donate. Seventeen 390 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: seventy six. That's my number I'm donating. And this is 391 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: someone that had never donated, he said, in his entire 392 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: life to any political campaign, local, state, or national, And 393 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: he said, this is our country under siege, and I'm 394 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: going to get involved. 395 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 5: No. 396 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 2: Now, I think there's a lot. 397 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: Of patriots out there and new patriots who are going 398 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: to probably make that decision. But there's also center the 399 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: other side, Democrats are going to be inspired by this. 400 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: It's no longer looking at an incompetent Joe Biden. Their 401 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: hatred for Donald Trump is now backfront and center. 402 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, look that this will inspire both sides. I don't 403 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 5: believe this decision will change the outcome of the election 404 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 5: in November. I think it's baked in the in the cape. 405 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 5: I think rabbit partisan Democrats hate Trump so much they 406 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 5: we're gonna vote against him in November. They're still gonna 407 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 5: vote against him, and and and and this this is 408 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 5: revenge born for them that that they're just living their fantasy. Yeah. Uh. 409 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 5: In terms of Republicans, I think this energizes Republicans. You're right. 410 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 5: The Trump website collapse win Red, which is the portal 411 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 5: to contribute to Trump to Republican senators. That portal collapsed tonight. 412 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 5: So I think a lot of people went and said, 413 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 5: I want to contribute to the Republicans who are running 414 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 5: this cycle precisely because of that. I think this will 415 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 5: energize Republicans, and this may well energize people. Let's say 416 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 5: you're not a Donald Trump. Then let's say you say 417 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 5: you don't particularly like it, maybe you strongly opponent. If 418 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 5: you care about the rule of laws, you ought to 419 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 5: be outbreaking about this. If you care about actually a 420 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 5: justice system that is not simply a tool to attack 421 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 5: your enemies, you ought to be horrified by this. Because listen, 422 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 5: if you go down to Latin America, you'd have a 423 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 5: banana republics. My dad's from Cuba. Cuba understands what happened tonight. 424 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 5: There are banana republics practice countries that understand what happened 425 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 5: to night, which is one party gets in power and 426 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 5: they use the justice system to try to lock up 427 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 5: their predecessors, to try to lock up their opponents. If 428 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 5: you don't want that to happen to America, even if 429 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 5: you might even despise Donald Trump, you should be very 430 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 5: upset about what happened tonight. The Democrats calculus at the 431 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 5: beginning of this is that there would be two to 432 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 5: three to five percent of voters. You are not very engaged, 433 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 5: you are not paying attention a lot who will decide 434 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks before election day, and if 435 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 5: they hear the word fell and fell and Fellon repeated 436 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 5: a gazillion times, we'll say, oh, I can't vote for 437 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 5: a Felon, and so we'll vote for Ride. I'm really skeptical. 438 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 5: I don't think it's played out that way. I think 439 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 5: most Americans, other than the rabid Democrat partisans, recognize this 440 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 5: was a political persecution, and so I don't see this 441 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 5: changing votes. And I think even some Democrats and some 442 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 5: in the media have backed away from their fervor from 443 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 5: this because they see it backfired to some extent now 444 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 5: not tonight. They're not backing away because they're too jubilant. 445 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 5: This is too much. This is cathartic, and this is ecstasy, 446 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 5: and this is shot in Freud, all unfolding at once. 447 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, I don't see 448 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 5: this changing the outcome on election. 449 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: Final question for you on this, and it deals with 450 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: the presidency and Joe Biden. I don't know how you 451 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: can separate what this judge did from the corruption of 452 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: the Biden White House. We know the attorneys that left 453 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: the DOJ to go work on this case. We know 454 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: that Alvin Bragg ran on this, We know he raised 455 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: money off of it. We know that this judge has 456 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: as a as a daughter that's heavily involved in fundraising 457 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. Uh. And this all was orchestrated from 458 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: from the Biden administration down. 459 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 2: Now they're trying to act like now they're sprit from 460 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 2: it like this is we stood back. 461 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: We were just watching the wills of justice and and 462 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: and and and a man be found accountable by a 463 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: jury of his peers. That is clearly going to be 464 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: their line. But make no mistake, none of this would 465 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 1: have happened without the direction, uh of Biden. I said today, 466 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: America has its own Vladimir Putin. 467 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: Now his name is is Biden. 468 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is America's Putin right now, going after his 469 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: political opponent and trying to lock them up. 470 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 5: You know, in law, if you look at something like 471 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 5: anti trust law, there's a concept in law called conscious parallelism, 472 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 5: which is people that all have similar incentives behaving similarly. 473 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 5: But it's not a conspiracy. They just all are acting 474 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 5: according to the same incentives. I don't know that Alvin 475 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 5: Bragg is taking orders from the Biden White House. I 476 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 5: agree that the Biden, Joe Biden has been dictatorially's abused 477 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 5: his power. But I think Alvian Bragg is a petty 478 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 5: dictator of his own. He's George sorows Da. He ran 479 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 5: on getting Joe Biden. You know, when his was the 480 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 5: first indictment. I think a lot of Democrats are kind 481 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 5: of sheepish. They said, Okay, this one is really sketchy. 482 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 5: They didn't want this to be the lead case. And look, ultimately, 483 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 5: the bidend OJ they sent the number three lawyer at 484 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 5: d OJ, who had been a Democrat donor before in 485 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 5: a Democrat themselves, and they sent him to be part 486 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 5: of the trial team. So the Biden d OJ got 487 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 5: in bed with this partisan prosecution. But but I'm not 488 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 5: convinced that Alvin Bragg did so at the direction of 489 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 5: the White House. I just think he hates Trump's guts. 490 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 5: So does everyone in the bidend Oj, Biden, the White House, 491 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 5: so does Fanny Willits down in Georgia, so does just 492 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 5: about every wild eyed partisan Democrat. And so I wouldn't 493 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 5: say it as as much a direction from the White 494 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 5: House as that they're all suffering from the same Trump 495 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 5: derangement syndrome where they're willing to burn it all down, 496 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 5: to destroy the rule of law, to abuse the justice 497 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 5: system because they hate the Trumps so much, and they've 498 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 5: convinced themselves if he is re elected, if he's president, 499 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 5: it's the end of democracy. I mean, we played on 500 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 5: Wednesday's pod Robert de Niro going on and on that'll 501 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 5: be the last election ever if Trump is elected, which 502 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 5: is just it's arrange, it's unhim. But I don't think 503 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 5: de Niro is lying in that. I think he believes 504 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 5: every word he says. I suspect Alvin Brad does too, 505 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 5: and I suspect the Biden White House that POJ does 506 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 5: as well. 507 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: Final question, you're a poll guy. I love polls. I 508 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: want your prediction. 509 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: The first major polls that come out after this verdict 510 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: has obviously come down, will they show that Donald Trump 511 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: starts to lose momentum. Do you think he'll go backwards 512 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: in the polls nationally or in swing states? Do you 513 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: think this could even backfire more? Because you did say, 514 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: and I agreed with you, that if they make him 515 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: more powerful, his poll numbers would go up. That ha 516 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: happen when the court case started you said it's going 517 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: to make people solidify their support behind on Trump. But 518 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: now that he has the he's a convicted felon around 519 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: his neck, and that what happens in the polls. 520 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 5: So when the indictment first came down, the first indictment, 521 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 5: I said on this podcast, this indictment will be worth 522 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 5: ten points for Donald Trump in the polls. Now that's 523 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 5: in the progress. A week later, Trump was up ten. 524 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 5: That prediction proved exactly accurate. Now, to be fair, that's 525 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 5: a primary poll. Primary polls are different than general election polls, 526 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 5: and so it caused Republicans to rally around Trump, even 527 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 5: some Republicans who were not supporting Trump at that time. 528 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 5: The general election, it's a little harder. I think most 529 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 5: of the views on both sides are baked in. But 530 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 5: if you forced me to make a prediction, my prediction 531 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 5: right now is Trump. I think it is mildly beneficial 532 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 5: for Trump and the polls. I don't think it is 533 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 5: major league because I think most of the people on 534 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 5: both sides are baked in and it almost doesn't matter 535 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 5: at this point. They're not moving. But if you press me, 536 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 5: I would say, I don't think it's going to cause 537 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 5: showing the poles, and I would say I think it's 538 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 5: likely to be a mile positive benefit for trumping the poles, 539 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 5: and he's already leading the poles right now. 540 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 1: Don't forget Share this podcast please on social media wherever 541 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: you are, and if you would write us a five 542 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: star review wherever you're listening, it helps us tremendously reach 543 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: a new audience. And we'll see you back here tomorrow morning.