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Speaker 1: If you yourself are funky, it just comes out of

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Speaker 5: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three thirty seven,

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Speaker 5: Episode two of Daly's Like I Say.

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Speaker 3: Production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast where we take a deep dot

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Speaker 1: into America share consciousness.

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Speaker 2: If you listen to us while you're sleeping, wake up,

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Speaker 2: because I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: That wasn't very nice. I listened to so many podcasts

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Speaker 5: like going to sleep. That's really the only time I

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Speaker 5: And if someone did that to me, I would not

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Speaker 5: appreciate it. So I apologize.

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Speaker 3: I just woke you up. You can go back to sleep.

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Speaker 5: It's Tuesday, May twenty first, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, you know what that is? May twenty first.

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Speaker 3: Not a lot a lot, Actually, not a lot, a

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Speaker 3: It's National Strawberries and Cream Day.

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Speaker 5: That's one of my favorite songs. I love that you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was at uack Barns same college as me.

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Speaker 3: She's in college with you.

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Speaker 6: Wait, and she was at she was your classmate. I

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Speaker 6: don't know what year she was, but she was there

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Speaker 2: Ummm, that just completely threw my momentum. Oh but not

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Speaker 5: Yes, my name is Jack O'Brien akaa so so so

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Speaker 5: so mel Lee Balls, please be mean extra mean because

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Speaker 5: gonna pay Yeah. That is courtesy of Charlie Xavier to

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Speaker 5: Anyways, great ref Shout out to Charlie, Sorry are you?

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Speaker 5: I fucked up the phrasing a little bit, but you know,

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Speaker 5: Thrilled to be joined as Elias by my co host,

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Speaker 5: mister Miles Grad.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's Miles Great, the Lord of Lancasham, North, Hollywood's

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Speaker 3: Just uh, what was I gonna say?

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Speaker 3: Oh, the latest fan of the Challengers Score.

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Speaker 2: I've just been listening at Score A lot an't go wrong.

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Speaker 2: Just who would have thought some like industrial electronic music

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Speaker 2: goes soa pairs so well with tennis scenes. Anyway, Shout

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Speaker 2: out to everybody that's been saying to check it out,

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Speaker 2: especially super Producer and who now seeing it. I've seen it.

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Speaker 2: I've seen it, and I know and I know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah and I know, and of course I do know.

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Speaker 5: Now we both saw weekend. You've seen, you've heard. Of

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Speaker 5: course we know, and of course we have seen it

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Speaker 5: and heard it. Miles, We are thrilled to be joined

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Speaker 5: by today's special expert guest. He's a senior researcher of

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Speaker 5: US hate and Extremist Movement at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue.

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Speaker 5: To quote Samuel L. Jackson, hold onto your butts. Oh,

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Speaker 5: it's the return of whole to Mania. The Holtster is

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Speaker 2: It's Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.

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Speaker 5: Hold hold, hold, hold, it's good to be here.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, We're not done. Jared, hold on. I feel

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Speaker 3: That's good man, oh man, God help.

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Speaker 1: Things are good. It's hard to complain too much. It's

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Speaker 1: it's warm in Chicago again, so it's it's nice to

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Speaker 2: Wow, like that like that metaphor or that story about christ.

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Speaker 3: On the beach carrying him? Yeah, do you make him

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Speaker 5: You like wears coast off of the vibes of people

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Speaker 5: Chicagoans need to trudge through eight months of pure ship

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really great. Yeah, wow, now I must go.

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Speaker 5: more about conspiracy theories u Resa paper about not all

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Speaker 2: We got a warrant for this one. What are some

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Speaker 2: of you recently screencapped on your phone?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a war case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have you have you come across any bummer ones?

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Speaker 3: I can't like to see what he comes up with. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess a lot of people like that. Uh Shane

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Speaker 1: And I I mean, he's like good, but I don't

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Speaker 5: Know was a big, big, big boost, big boost.

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Speaker 1: That's and they think it's like the best thing that

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, and then you can go to Austin, Texas

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Speaker 5: Lose a job controversially, some people just like quietly get

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Speaker 3: That's no fun for them.

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Speaker 1: They fired me. They canceled me from SNL because they

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Speaker 5: They're like, oh man, we got to support this character then.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I am in my Gilly suit, which is

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Speaker 1: It's warm again? So I'm playing golf again. I think

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Speaker 5: In my case, I'm not very good at it. But

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Speaker 1: You get you get two balls and you stick them

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Speaker 3: A string and then just whip him around your head.

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Speaker 3: And I was like wow, like when I saw people

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Speaker 1: Be like, oh man, I'm really fucking with golf.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I think that she's saying he made more money. What

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's necessarily.

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Speaker 5: He's like, I'm going to this is making me hate

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Speaker 1: Those are those are not the people I played golf with.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 2: We go out there, we're ready for some deals, ready

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Speaker 3: Hello, my good man. I'm here to golf and make

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I was like, I was very hopeful. You know,

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Why don't you?

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Speaker 1: Of course they do getting out there.

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Speaker 3: Well, then top golf too.

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Speaker 2: I just need to go to I haven't swung a

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Speaker 5: No, no, yeah, I'm gonna start going to try and

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Speaker 3: Fuck it's goods. The fucking golf's fault. What classes? But

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Speaker 3: it is classes as fuck. But a crazy schoolboy Q.

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Speaker 5: Was like, yeah, man, like I only like fifteen card dealerships.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, it's wild.

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Speaker 2: There's like on this I think interview on Lil Yachti's

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Speaker 5: Opening for me, school boy Q fans, I must listen amazing.

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Speaker 5: And then he came back and just effortlessly dropped a classic.

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Speaker 3: No, No, dude, good for your bank account too.

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Speaker 5: Bronna really sound you really sound like the people I

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Speaker 3: I'm going to fuck it.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm gonna see because I can't go

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Speaker 2: you need uh like air conditioning repair. My cousin hook

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Speaker 3: Maybe that might be so.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna start golfing and then the sponsorships for the

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah yeah, rather than like the errant Michael

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Speaker 3: I'm out on the links, I like to use my links.

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Speaker 3: My good friends, that's what we do. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, there's already a very iconic blazon in golf.

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Speaker 2: They're like, remember remember this, what about this guy? Except

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Speaker 3: That's my link.

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Speaker 5: I'm like Tiger Woods, except I suck at golf. I

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Speaker 5: fucking suck, bad, dude. That's how I shock. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 5: I'm just fucking stupid ass fucking club. I'm probably gonna

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Speaker 3: You guys can talk.

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Speaker 7: I don't care.

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Speaker 3: You could talk, I don't care, but fuck it up anyway.

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Speaker 5: Tiger Woods, except bad at golf, is just like a

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Speaker 5: What is uh, Jared, what is something you think is overrated?

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Speaker 1: Being good at stuff?

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Speaker 1: I think, especially with social media and stuff, a lot

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Speaker 1: But I think that, you know, collectively, we have to

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Speaker 1: I thought it would be fun, Yeah right, Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: I pissed off all these people that I'm holding up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when it takes me seventeen strokes on, it gives.

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Speaker 1: Them more time to do deals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. They should be thanking facilit facilitator.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just taking pretty good at golf, which you're

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Speaker 5: you wanted to go, is that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're are you guys? Have you ever played what's

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Speaker 5: my God, and then well you have to just quit

443
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 5: after that. It was so it was so lucky that

444
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 5: I spent like three minutes looking for the ball before

445
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 5: I looked in the hole.

446
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, you were really like, no way,

447
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 3: there's no way. Yeah, I had no idea. How are

448
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 3: you a mini golf sucking.

449
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 2: Kid place, fucking castle park Man, that place fucking bullshit, man,

450
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: fucking bullshit, man, fucking I hate that one.

451
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 3: That shaped like the old Civil War fucking fort ship. Stupid.

452
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 5: I've never been on that on that mini golf course,

453
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 5: oh Jack, been there, but not done the I've never

454
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 5: played around.

455
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: Oh man, you should join me. Man, I got a

456
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: good group of dudes. Man, we go out there swinging

457
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 3: the rubber golf utters and.

458
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 5: We do a lot of a lot of six pack

459
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 5: each orange genising golf. Man, You're not supposed to do that.

460
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 5: That's why not Orange genis, man, Orange genis. We're not

461
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 5: breaking the rules. We do things above board. You know,

462
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 5: we're business people. We're business people, man. Yeah, all right,

463
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 5: closing so many deals on the back nine of the uh.

464
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 3: Right there and go right off the four or five freeway.

465
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I was.

466
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 5: Like trading uh Pokemon cards, killing.

467
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 2: Yo, legit kids for trading Pokemon cards over there, like

468
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 2: in the where the lunch tables are.

469
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll

470
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 5: come back and talk about conspiracy theories.

471
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: And we're back. We're back, and Jared, you have this

472
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 3: piece about to report. I guess we would call it

473
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: a report. It's official, and.

474
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,719
Speaker 5: It's about the fact something that I feel like we've

475
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 5: that's been coming up more and more recently, that not

476
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 5: all conspiracy theories are created equal. There are some that

477
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 5: are very dangerous, but they're not always the ones that

478
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 5: get the most attention. So just wanted to like kind

479
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 5: of get you to talk broadly about where the kind

480
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 5: of impetus for this report was coming from.

481
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: Like many things I write nowadays, it's equal parts trying

482
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: to be helpful and also just my passive aggression at

483
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: the National news right in the way they cover the

484
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: stuff I research so generally conspiracy theories and sort of

485
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: how prevalent they feel like they've become in discourse, especially

486
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: political discourse, is important on the whole. But the premise

487
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: of this piece is basically to say that even though

488
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: that bigger picture is important, and all the conspiracy theories

489
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: like make up that bigger picture, it doesn't mean that

490
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: like people saying that the Illuminati is using Taylor Swift

491
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: to flush the super Bowl is equally as important as

492
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, the same conspiracy theorists accusing some random no

493
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: no name election worker of being a pedophile in that

494
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: person's life being turned upside down by freaks on the internet.

495
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's like there's a power imbalance that you

496
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 5: kind of comes up throughout the report that, like a

497
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 5: lot of the theories, the one that jumped out to

498
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 5: me because it's one that we've talked about on this

499
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 5: show is but the Boeing whistleblower thing, where whistleblowers keep

500
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 5: dying and everyone's like having fun half jokingly, like with

501
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 5: a little you know, while waggling our eyebrows aggressively mentioning

502
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 5: the two whistleblowers have died while while they were like

503
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 5: about to testify, and then like just unrelatedly linking off

504
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 5: to the Michael Clayton meme or the mic not meme,

505
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 5: the Michael Clayton scene where a corporation like murders.

506
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: Where they tase that dude and then they shoot the toes. Yeah,

507
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: shoot him up between the toes. Yeah.

508
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

509
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

510
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 5: Like, on the one hand, like it seems like, I

511
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 5: don't know, pretty pretty huge accusation to make. On the

512
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 5: other hand, I'm not as worried about boeing, Like I

513
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 5: don't think our problem as a society is boeing, not

514
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 5: like getting too much scrutiny personally, Like that doesn't seem

515
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 5: to be the main problem. But I guess I'm curious,

516
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 5: Like where does that fall for you on the list

517
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 5: of like conspiracy theories to be monitoring and concerned about.

518
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's kind of conspiracy theories where yeah, we

519
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: all wiggle our eyebrows and wait for the other person

520
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: to be like, right, actually gave this though, yeah too, right,

521
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: like you know, yeah, just keep going. But yeah, but

522
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: like wouldn't it be crazy if then somebody pulled up

523
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: the banking documents for this and right, right, so.

524
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: I told you we don't have a twelve in that, Sue.

525
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: I was just back there.

526
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, So so I always think about like

527
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: like power balances and then also like who is the

528
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: victim of a conspiracy theory?

529
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 3: Right?

530
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 1: And maybe that's victims the wrong word, but like this is,

531
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean, what happens we all or a negative opinion

532
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: about Boeing their corporation. My heart does not break for

533
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: the stock price of Boeing, or you know, how people

534
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: feel about their airplanes or whatever. I think if you know,

535
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: those kind of theories started singling out, you know, like

536
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: a specific lawyer and then all of a sudden, like

537
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand people are hyper fixated on this lawyer

538
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: and sharing their addresses and stuff like that can get

539
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: a little bit you know, then that would kind of

540
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: get into the territory of like, oh, maybe we should

541
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: keep an eye on this because this could actually like

542
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: cause some trouble to this person, who, as far as

543
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: we know, could just be like, you know, totally innocent

544
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's just like people are coming up with

545
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: things online to say about it. Yeah, so this piece

546
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: is really more about like those power balances, like you

547
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: pointed out in considering the impact of conspiracy theories. I

548
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of conspiracy theories that exist in

549
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: sort of a gray area like truth wise, of like,

550
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: this certainly doesn't look good. It looks a little weird,

551
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: and it might be fun to talk about or explore

552
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: or like get you know, but that's not something I like, Really,

553
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: it's not like a place I really try to go

554
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: in this piece because it gets like a little you know,

555
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: complicated to talk about is maybe more of like a

556
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: sociology question of like why do we enjoy this? But sure,

557
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's that's kind of how I think about it.

558
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: I tend to think stuff like that is you know,

559
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: generally benign. We're harmless in the grand scheme of things.

560
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 5: Right, yesterday we talked about how Trump is needle dropping

561
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 5: these C songs at his rallies, and for me, even

562
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 5: I feel like the slow creep of this has sort

563
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 5: of like flown under the radar, this latest needle drop,

564
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 5: because like at first it was this thing that like, yeah,

565
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 5: it might be tied to Q, and then he's started

566
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 5: just like playing it during his speeches like on purpose,

567
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 5: like in a like music would start swelling out in

568
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 5: a movie in a weird way, and like at first

569
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 5: that was like Jesus, well, like what is happening? This

570
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 5: is so strange. And now when he does it and

571
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 5: like stops for a minute to just like let the

572
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 5: music ride, We're just like, uh huh, like you so

573
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 5: like this feels like we have a presidential candidate who,

574
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 5: if the election was out tomorrow, would win or would

575
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 5: be very close to winning, who is embracing what is

576
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 5: ostensibly a cult with him as the figurehead. Is that

577
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 5: one of the ones that you feel like we need

578
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 5: to be worried about? And if so, why or why not?

579
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: I would say yes because of you know, again going

580
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: back to this question of power, there's few people in

581
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: the US that hold more you know, sway and are

582
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: very close if not, you know, I mean, like you

583
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: pointed out, Trump very well could win this fall. It's

584
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: it's like very much in the cards. I tend to

585
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: think he probably will. I hope I'm wrong. But to

586
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: have that kind of level of power, indulging conspiracy theory

587
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: like QAnon, which has driven you know, several individuals to

588
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: violence throughout the years, I think is worth caring about

589
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: because it's getting the blessing of somebody from a position

590
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: of high power, which means that you know, if we

591
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: think of conspiracy theories like that, particularly some of the

592
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: more deranged ones like QAnon, that have potentially more grave

593
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: implications for the people that get caught up and targeted

594
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: by them, you know, if we think of that as

595
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: like a numbers game, then getting on stage with the

596
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, potentially the next president. You know, it's hard

597
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: to think of a bigger, more consequential platform than that, right.

598
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: And what like you know, just kind of watching the

599
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: ebb and flow of q Andon, like obviously they it's

600
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: things subsided. As you know, the drops became less and

601
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: less frequent and then like stopped completely.

602
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: Then you see sort of like it popping up.

603
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: I just saw an article that you shared about how

604
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: like QAnon references have been like just resurgent on like

605
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: on Twitter recently and looking at even like what Trump

606
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,479
Speaker 2: is doing. Like in twenty twenty, I remember we were

607
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: all like, oh shit, you're really doing this to try

608
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: and like get as many people behind you for this

609
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: reelection push as possible, and like winking at the QAnon

610
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: people have been like yeah, come on, y'all right, like

611
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: here's my like, come on down under this big tent

612
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: and we can do it all together. Is it, like,

613
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: you know, from what you've seen, is QAnon still like

614
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: at this level where like this is sort of why

615
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: Trump's doing this again to be like all right, guys,

616
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: like is it or is it kind of like an

617
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: Avengers assemble kind of like bat signal to be like, hey,

618
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: we need to I need as many of the fucking

619
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: freaks as possible to sort of go all in on

620
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: my reelection campaign because maybe I can then turn that

621
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: into a you know, potential January sixth type sequel, or

622
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: is the only way given because he can't remember the phrasing,

623
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: so like where we go once, we go, we go always?

624
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: Many are saying.

625
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: We go one.

626
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: He's winking at him because he thinks they're kind of cute,

627
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: you know.

628
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love your shoes, you shoes.

629
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it it generally kind of lines

630
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: up with both of the previous Trump campaigns and what

631
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: is shaping up to beat this one as well, which is,

632
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, put on a show for the freaks and

633
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: let them kind of do the work of drumming up

634
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: a larger page base of support.

635
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: Right.

636
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: You know, Trump has done this from the very start

637
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: on immigration rhetoric, taking like much harder lines and sort

638
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: of restrictionist positions than other GOP candidates in the field

639
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: were at the time, and still has some of the

640
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: most extreme immigration policies that you know are floating around

641
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: the GOP. So, you know, between just like dumbing back

642
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: through the Trump campaign prior iterations, but the reviews with

643
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: Alex Jones, the praisine of like nutjobs like Ted Nugent,

644
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: the getting dinner with the lips of TikTok Lady. You know,

645
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: it's like very much this effort to cater to and

646
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: sort of bring along anybody who is going to be

647
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: ride or die for him. So I think his affinity

648
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: for the qan On people, I don't think he's like

649
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: deep in the weeds.

650
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: I don't.

651
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 1: I don't think he knows about like que drops or

652
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, really like truly knows who any of these

653
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: people are.

654
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 5: But he don't know about q drops because he is

655
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 5: que and doing the drops, right, So like he doesn't

656
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 5: even think about them as drops, right, is that what.

657
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: He to say to say that he knows about him

658
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: would be under your selling it, you know, you.

659
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 5: Know what I mean, he has Jared is waggling his

660
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 5: eyebrows at me, just like.

661
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think generally, you know, he

662
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't meet supporters that he doesn't like, and that's right,

663
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, tries to give him a little pat on

664
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: the head and scratched to keep him going. In terms

665
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: of QAnon more broadly, it's certainly not what it used

666
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: to be. When the drops stopped, you know, a lot

667
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: of that energy went elsewhere. In twenty twenty, it was

668
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: like starting to spill into anti vax stuff. It continued

669
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: to spill there. A lot of it spilled into election

670
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: denihilism more broadly. So a lot of like diehard q

671
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: people you know, kind of looked up and went, okay,

672
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: well maybe the president wasn't posting on eight chan for

673
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: me to read, but you know, it's about the friends

674
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: we made along the way, and you know, sort of

675
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: the line in those spaces for a while was like, Okay,

676
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: it's not literally true, but you know it opened our

677
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: eyes and got us ready to see the truth or whatever. Yeah,

678
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: So a lot of these people have spilled over into

679
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: like your local GOP office or school board. You know

680
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: some of them like went through the broken windows at

681
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: the US Capitol Building and you know, went to jail

682
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: for that, And so the movement evolved. I don't think

683
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: it ever really died. That study that I shared from

684
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: NewsGuard sort of redid this methodology that I didn't think

685
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: it was twenty twenty two or twenty twenty one, where

686
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: I was looking at some of the catchphrases that you

687
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: used to think about as like, you know, there's the

688
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: flag that says I'm a queue head, where we go on,

689
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: we go all right, trust the plan or whatever it

690
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: may be. Storm, Yeah, and those were kind of rolling

691
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: off when I did that study, and to see that

692
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: come back up, I thought was sort of interesting. I

693
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: think it's definitely an incomplete picture of sort of what

694
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: has happened in that movement more broadly, but it'll be

695
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: interesting to see, if, you know, with this campaign kicking

696
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: back up, if we do see sort of a return

697
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: to form for some people, if they're like okay, well,

698
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: you know they're looking around and they're like, okay, we

699
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: played the you know, LGBTQ people are demons thing, what

700
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: what other greatest hits do we have?

701
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: Right?

702
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 4: Right?

703
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: You know.

704
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: I mean they might they might pull this back out

705
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: the songbook. We don't know yet, but yeah, it's interesting.

706
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 5: The core belief of the Q stuff is that we're

707
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 5: all pedophiles, right, Like, isn't that like one of the

708
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 5: main ones, is any you jack, it's just me particularly

709
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 5: They do have some pretty uh detailed stuff. No, but

710
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 5: I guess that's one. Like there's this a New Yorker

711
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 5: article that we talked about a couple of weeks back

712
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 5: that is about this idea of misinformation and kind of

713
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 5: puts forward this idea that like some of the misinformation,

714
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 5: like some of the C stuff, is people like not

715
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 5: literally believing it, Like you just said, it's not that

716
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 5: they literally believe it. It's more that they believe it

717
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 5: in the way that like a Catholic believes that the

718
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 5: bread of the Communion is like actually the body of Jesus,

719
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 5: But like they don't expect blood to start like running

720
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 5: down their mouth when they like put it, you know,

721
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 5: when they bite into it.

722
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: They yeah, I think that's the perfect way to put it.

723
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

724
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, they just believe it as a you know, the

725
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 5: way a religious person does. And in those cases, the

726
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 5: more outlandish the belief like that this is where like

727
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 5: speaking in tongues comes from right, like in certain Christian faiths.

728
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 5: It's like the more outlandish and wild you can go with,

729
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 5: like the thing that you're saying you believe even though

730
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 5: you don't technically like adopt it as part of your

731
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 5: reality and like physically interact with it. The more outlandish,

732
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 5: the like more people are like, Wow, that person's like

733
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 5: going hard, you know, like that like.

734
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: You get they're going hard for Q.

735
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, they're going hard for Q.

736
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 5: But then like it does I keep waiting, Like once

737
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 5: I found out, Okay, there's this cult that likes a

738
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 5: lot of their beliefs. When you like pull out the

739
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 5: like selected readings of like Q drops and then like

740
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 5: the things that people are writing about Q would suggest

741
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 5: that they think they're at war with like Satan and

742
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 5: like people who are like worshiping the devil and like

743
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 5: want to kill their kids and drink their like vi adrenochrome.

744
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 5: And so I'm always like whenever there's like a mass

745
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 5: shooting or like something of that nature, I'm always like, well, this.

746
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 7: Has to be cute.

747
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 5: Like it feels like the sort of thing that if

748
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 5: people actually believe that we'd be seeing a lot more

749
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 5: horrifying violence in response then we are actually seeing. So

750
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 5: I guess that makes me wonder like where Q actually

751
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 5: falls on that spectrum, Like is it something that people

752
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 5: are just like this is like a fun thing that

753
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 5: I talk to with my other weird friends. We hate

754
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 5: Joe Biden and this is a fun way to like

755
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 5: channel that hatred, and we like think Trump is funny

756
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 5: and that's this is a fun way for us to

757
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 5: channel or is it something that's like And I don't

758
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 5: expect anybody to have the answer on this, but I

759
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 5: do think it's an interesting conversation as to like whether

760
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 5: you know Q is going to rise to that level

761
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 5: of being a justification for really horrifying violence.

762
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: Like you're saying like juxtaposing that with like great replacement

763
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: theory or something right where people truly adopt that as

764
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: an ideology.

765
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess I should point out that,

766
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: like we have politicians spreading stuff like great replacement, like

767
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: you just mentioned Miles, but as horrifying as they are,

768
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: like mass shootings are not happening because of it every day, right,

769
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: And the same thing with qan on there have been

770
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: instances of like really nightmarish violence. I remember a few

771
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: years ago this I think it was a surf instructor

772
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: in California like took his kids down to Mexico and

773
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: just slaughtered them because he thought they were like lizard

774
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: people or something. Right, So it definitely came and do that.

775
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: But that's something I also kind of get to in

776
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: the piece that I wrote with my colleague Lucy, which is,

777
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, trying to encourage you know, writing kind of

778
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: directly to news audience here, trying to encourage like more

779
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: open thinking about the role that conspiracy theories have in

780
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: people's lives. You know, they, like any other form of media,

781
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: they offer all kinds of non material things to people,

782
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: you know, and it's not just like pure information that

783
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: must be deep onked. It's also like an expression for

784
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: the people that believe it of like identity and philosophy

785
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: and meaning and like these more abstract kind of like

786
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: front brain kind of stuff that that know, like, well,

787
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: actually the New York Times said that was false, and

788
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: then people are.

789
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: Like, what what Okay?

790
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: Each of the things that you just cited in that

791
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 5: paragraph got more than three pinocchios from the fact checkers

792
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 5: of the world. What shit you're averaging for Pinocchio's my

793
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 5: good man.

794
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

795
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, So it's you know, I think trying to

796
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: think a little bit more openly about like what theories

797
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: like that can mean to people. To some people, they

798
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: can be very literal to people, especially people who are having,

799
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of mental crisis or have inclinations

800
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: towards violence or you know, other dire sort of personal situations.

801
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: They can be justifications for really terrible things right to

802
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people. They can be entertainment to some people.

803
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: It can be like a quasi religion. It can mean

804
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

805
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: And the point that I was trying to make in

806
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: the article is it's worth thinking about those kind of

807
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: implications or like what that might mean beyond just like

808
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: what a lot of coverage of conspiracy theories and big

809
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: publications tends to look like, which is they're saying Taylor

810
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: Swift is gonna, you know, get a sniper rifle and

811
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: shoot the ball and deflate it and then the Super

812
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: Bowl is gonna be ruined or yeah, whatever, you know,

813
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: and then being like damn, that got a lot of clicks.

814
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: Is there a lot of Americans that think this is true,

815
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: and it's like, but that's not.

816
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 5: Like you're linking off to it in your massive news

817
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 5: publication by the way, Like, yeah, we the stupidity of

818
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 5: other people, like in the abstract is like a myth

819
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 5: that I feel like we want to believe in as Americans,

820
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 5: Like we want to believe that if you can tell

821
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 5: people that, like a big group of people is believing

822
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 5: something that like seems incomprehensibly like almost unbelievably stupid, Like

823
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 5: they they're going to eat that up. They they love

824
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 5: to believe that. It's just generally when you talk to

825
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 5: those people, not true that they actually Yeah, I mean

826
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 5: I've talked to like especially when I was doing more

827
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 5: like on the ground reporting stuff.

828
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: I would just go to like QAnon events and talk

829
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: to these people and these a lot of I mean

830
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: some of them. We're not the you know, sharpest tools

831
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: and the ship, but a lot of them, most of them,

832
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: I would even say, we're perfectly smart people but had

833
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: like their intelligence had taken them into like nonsense land.

834
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: So it was a perfectly rational belief in things that

835
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: were laughably untrue, if that makes sense.

836
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's a study about people who are

837
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 5: being deprogrammed from cults. When you like give people IQ

838
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 5: tests who have been in cults, like, they score on

839
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 5: average higher than the rest of the population, because the

840
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 5: theory goes that they're able to bend their mind around

841
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 5: and like construct more complex counter argument for more comprehensive

842
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 5: and bizarre systems of belief. Like basically, they would make

843
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 5: good lawyers because they're intelligent, and being a good lawyer

844
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 5: means you can construct a good defense of like anything

845
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 5: in your mind. This kind of is That's kind of

846
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 5: how I've always thought about that factor, like made sense

847
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 5: of effect that people and cults tend to be smarter

848
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 5: on average than the average person.

849
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's one of the reasons my

850
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: golf game suffered. Like I was telling you, I took

851
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: one little trip down to Havana, started hearing some weird stuff.

852
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 5: Man.

853
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: Ever since keeps slicy.

854
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 5: That's one that's one that like I don't think people

855
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 5: would technically think of it as a conspiracy theory because

856
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 5: it's coming from like openly coming from sixty minutes and

857
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 5: like you know, the Department of I guess it's less

858
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 5: and less coming from. But like I guess former Defense

859
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 5: Department officials, but of.

860
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: The Havana syndrome, Savanna syndrome, or it's like you have

861
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: a tummy ache. Yeah, yeah, and.

862
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: My ears are ringing and my memory is bad. I'm

863
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 3: seventy three.

864
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: When when I'm seventy three and I drink an entire

865
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: bottle of whiskey last night and I woke up, and

866
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: I feel.

867
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 5: Terrible to make the voices stopped from all the people

868
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 5: that I've had a hand in helping the US Army.

869
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: Killer maybe or maybe not.

870
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 7: I don't know.

871
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: It's fine working at the CIA. I don't think that

872
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 3: had anything to do with my mental stretch man.

873
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 5: But yeah, when it's going from the US military to Cuba,

874
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 5: I feel like that power and balance worries me a

875
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 5: little bit. Like right, that feels like a bad balance overall.

876
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 5: But let's take a quick break and we'll come back

877
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 5: and talk a little bit more about maybe some of

878
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 5: the ones that you're most worried about and others that

879
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 5: people can maybe not worry about as much.

880
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 7: We'll be right back, and we're back.

881
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 3: We're back.

882
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 5: And so we've already talked about Taylor Swift conspiracy theories

883
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 5: maybe not being the most dangerous, damaging thing.

884
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: Well, that's just like Jared's right.

885
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're still I'm sure Taylor has a very

886
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: different opinion about that.

887
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: Yeah she does. She does these tea drops. They're wild.

888
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: The three albums he releases the year.

889
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 5: No, I mean, I'm sure it's anytime it's a private

890
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 5: individual like that, that's scary. And you know, John Lennon

891
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 5: kind of test to you know, like that's fucking probably

892
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 5: pretty scary. But what what are some other ones that

893
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 5: you see? Like, we we've covered conspiracy theories of all sorts.

894
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 5: What are some others that you feel like got too

895
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 5: much media attention?

896
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: I think conspiracy theories about the collapse of the bridge

897
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: in Baltimore after a like a shipping vessel hit it, right, Yeah,

898
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: that's just call it bad regulations.

899
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: There was there was.

900
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: One post I saw that had like ten thousand retweets

901
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: on it and it was just like evidence of a

902
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: detonation on the bridge and it was just the footage

903
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: of the collision in slow motion. And I've probably spent

904
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes watching this trying to figure out what

905
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: this person thought they saw, right, and I couldn't figure

906
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: it out.

907
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: But it's like something shoots off the side. It's like, yeah,

908
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: that's a cable snapping or like part of the structure breaking.

909
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: It's like could have been it could have been something.

910
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: It's like, why is the boat moving so slow? And

911
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: it's like because it weighs like a gazooo.

912
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 3: Gap right, right, it's not a fucking jet boat. Yeah.

913
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 5: That's like, I guess sort of a small local news

914
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 5: version of nine to eleven conspiracy theories where it's like

915
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 5: the the bad guy in this case is like diffuse

916
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 5: or the president of the United States, and so like

917
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 5: going back with our old rule of thumb of like

918
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 5: who is being targeted slash suspected in the conspiracy theory

919
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 5: if it's like just the man or something like that, Well,

920
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 5: I feel like that's how conspiracy theories sort of used

921
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 5: to be. It was like shadowy figures behind the scenes

922
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 5: and smoky rooms were like pulling the strings and that. Yeah,

923
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 5: that feels a little less harmful than this woman I

924
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 5: took a picture of carrying ballots from the counting.

925
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the librarian. It feels like the satanic blonde.

926
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 3: Dude.

927
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: There's three sixes in her license plate in a row. No,

928
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: but just well, technically there's four sixes I saw, but

929
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: I mean that's got to be something. But I think too,

930
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: there's also this thing with conspiracy theories that like there

931
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: because so many people like have these sort of like

932
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 2: fucked up, weird like racist ideologies or whatever, anti Semitic beliefs,

933
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: that some of these stories are just kind of like

934
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: gives them an opportunity to sort of start saying that

935
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: shit too, where it's not necessarily like how like the

936
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: Francis Scott key Bridge thing turned into like.

937
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: The dei mayor of Baltimore, you know what I mean, like.

938
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, other thing where it's almost like you know,

939
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: whether it's a conspiracy or just an outlet for someone

940
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: to be like aha, See this confirms my absolute fucked

941
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: up way of looking at the world, and this proves it.

942
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 2: It's like another weird way we see these things going.

943
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking too, like now, you know we've

944
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,479
Speaker 2: seen obviously like with like Laura Lumer kind of being

945
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 2: near and not near the Trump orbit and things like that,

946
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: and like Trump being like I like her and another

947
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: peuple like get her the fucky.

948
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: Everybody else that's around him is.

949
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 5: Like this, yeah, which is like Laura Lumer is she

950
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 5: I know she's as who is she not?

951
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: No?

952
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 5: She was.

953
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: I don't even remember off the top of my head

954
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: what she was doing before she got involved in politics.

955
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: But do you remember, God, this was probably like two

956
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen sixteen, there was like a Shakespeare play

957
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: in the park in New York and like every time

958
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: they do this play they make the Julius Caesar character

959
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: or like the sitting president. So Trump was the president

960
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: that time. And then when the scene came and like

961
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: Caesar gets stabbed in the back spoiler alert.

962
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: But dude, what the fuck? So too Jared, So so.

963
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: Her and Jack Phisobic stand up and just start like

964
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: screaming and hollering and get pulled out of this stage

965
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: for it. I do remember this, Yeah, And that's how

966
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: she made headlines really for the first time. And then

967
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: something happened and she was in New York City and

968
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: she went on this like crazy Islamophobic tirade against her

969
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: lift driver, oh yeah, and got banned from Lyft and

970
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: she got in really close with like Pamela Geller and

971
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: likes where the old school Islamophobes and wound up getting

972
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: banned from like a gazillion billion things, right, So her

973
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: claim to fame for the longest time was like I'm

974
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: the most banned woman in America, And then generally like

975
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: her whole shtick is just finding a politically relevant figure

976
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: and getting her phone out and screaming gibberish at them,

977
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: and when the person is like, get this fucking weirdo

978
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: away from me, She's like, yeah, they're scared of the truth.

979
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 2: Huh right, right, got them They didn't like, they didn't

980
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: like that, But yeah, I mean like we see sort

981
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: of like how these figures get into orbit, like or

982
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: even I know in that report you talk about like

983
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: how even Speaker of the House Mike Johnson also seeing

984
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: like sort of this like conspiratorial thinking, what are can

985
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: you just kind of outline for us, like what you

986
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: think going into this election, like what's this kind of

987
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: gaining more attraction because I feel like just from the

988
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: last seven years, I'm like, yeah, I'm up on replace

989
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: great replacement theory, I'm up on QAnon. You've come on

990
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: and talked about active clubs, not necessarily conspiracy theory, but

991
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: like a group of extremists who are like trying to

992
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: get organized. What do you see as becoming something that

993
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 2: is actually gaining serious traction, and like obviously you've been

994
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: like rolling your eyes at the mainstream media coverage of

995
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: just being like, oh my gosh, isn't this wacky, rather

996
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: than like no, no, no, no, no, no no no, like,

997
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: this is wacky and it's very serious, and it's it's

998
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 2: gaining more and more I guess, you know, popularity or support.

999
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I guess that would I would say, like,

1000
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that talking about Taylor Swift conspiracy theories

1001
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: should be like out of bounds or like, oh that's terrible,

1002
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: why would you talk about that? But like, of course

1003
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: not how those are meaningful is different, and they might

1004
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: not be meaningful in a like this is immediately dangerous

1005
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: to somebody kind of way.

1006
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 3: Right.

1007
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: The ones that I have kind of been concerned about

1008
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: going into this year are a lot of the ones

1009
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: surrounding immigration. It's an election year, so Republicans are talking

1010
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: about immigration again. But the way that it's threading into

1011
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: sort of election denihilism and sort of these like anti

1012
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: democratic attitudes generally mm hmm. I think that is kind

1013
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: of a red flag for me, because if the people

1014
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: that are spreading this get what they want, or like

1015
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: the people in power, you know, Congress people and whatnot,

1016
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: citing this nonsense to justify the kind of policies they're

1017
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: putting forward that has a real material impact on a

1018
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: lot of people and like cuts them off from their

1019
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: ability to vote and participate in democracy as imperfect and

1020
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: fucked up as it is.

1021
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: Right. Sure, So I.

1022
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: Like that's something that I see having like sort of

1023
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: a clear through line to a material impact that could

1024
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: harm people. And then generally, you know, great replacement theory,

1025
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: spreading of hostile rhetoric, some of the conspiracy theories going

1026
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: around about you know, college campus protesters, right, you know,

1027
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 1: doing the encampments to support Palestinians, Like those students don't

1028
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: have a means to defend themselves, and if people on

1029
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: the line are getting them all riled up with nonsense,

1030
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: it's claiming they're like connected with terrorists and whatnot, like right.

1031
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, the mayor and the chief of police, right right,

1032
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 5: you know, like it's them versus fucking children, right.

1033
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like that kind of thing can be particularly

1034
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: risky too, right, Yeah, So that's just that's like a

1035
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: couple that come to front of mine.

1036
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there's also this other thing that's

1037
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: it's like not necessarily it's sort of like the re

1038
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: emergence of like the Big lie sort of like it

1039
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 2: feels like right wing media is definitely setting the table

1040
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: again for whatever the outcome is in November, to at

1041
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: least on the table have it be the possibility that

1042
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: this election was also stolen, because you hear stuff like

1043
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: on Fox or they're like, you know, warning Democrats to

1044
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: be like they better not they better not cheat, they

1045
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: better not do some you know, like we'll be watching

1046
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 2: and not necessarily hurling accusations quite vividly or specifically yet,

1047
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: but still saying things rhetorically that being like because we

1048
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: know what they like to do, we know what they're

1049
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: up to, you know how they like to do this

1050
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: other stuff. And I see that definitely becoming, you know,

1051
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 2: just like a very subtle way that they're keeping sort

1052
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: of like the embers of election denihilism, like very just powerful.

1053
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: So when the time comes in they need to like

1054
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: get it to burst into flames, like it's able to

1055
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: is that?

1056
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did that in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty

1057
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: Comma also right right, you know, before Stop the Steel

1058
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: emerged as a movement. Before Trump started claiming everything was rigged,

1059
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: all of the campaign surrocates were going out on TV

1060
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: and being like, oh, yeah, Trump's gonna win an a landslide. Yeah, right, elections.

1061
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: If everything's fair, if everything if everything's up, up, on

1062
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: the up and up, we expect to win.

1063
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 5: It is why we knew what the what was going

1064
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 5: to have. Like ahead of the election, everyone was like, so,

1065
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 5: here's what they're going to do. And then sure enough,

1066
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 5: like right down to like and the like verifying of

1067
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 5: the electors or you know, whatever was happening on January seventh,

1068
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 5: like that was going to be a key date for them,

1069
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 5: and they did not disappoint.

1070
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's the same thing, but like the volumes

1071
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: turned up. Yeah right, you know, you have more people

1072
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of participating in this. And then what I thought

1073
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: was interesting was Trump had a rally in Wildwood, New Jersey.

1074
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of people. They had the everything

1075
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: old is new again.

1076
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: You know, they're.

1077
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: One hundred thousand people were on this, you know, in

1078
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: this venue that holds what like twenty or something. I

1079
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: think was what I saw was it was just the

1080
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: feeling on it. Yeah, and uh, you know after that

1081
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: Trump was doing these posts on truth social and some

1082
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: of his like fan boys were doing it too, where

1083
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: it's like it's too big to rig the support, just

1084
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: too big to rig the election against uff. Oh, sort

1085
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: of seeing this idea that like you know, Trump has

1086
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: this massive, massive base of support and it kind of

1087
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: creates this condition mentally where you're like, oh, well, even

1088
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: if they try to rig it, we're still going to win.

1089
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: Then if you lose, it's like something seems really really

1090
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: up right, right, so it's like getting it.

1091
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, like there being.

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Speaker 1: Sown, I think you're picking up on the right thing.

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Speaker 2: Miles, Yeah, well, because that's what I mean, like aside,

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Speaker 2: because I feel like, yeah, like we've seen q Andon

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Speaker 2: go up and down, and with the lack of like corroboration,

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Speaker 2: like of anything happening in real life, like that fizzles

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Speaker 2: out pretty quickly. But now it feels like the more

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Speaker 2: insidious thing along with like because like you're talking about

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Speaker 2: with the immigration conspiracies, that's the kind of stuff where

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Speaker 2: it's like they're importing voters from across the border. Like

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Speaker 2: that's sort of like the sort of foundation of like

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Speaker 2: what the sort of like the xenophobic anti immigrant bend

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Speaker 2: to that conspiracy theory. But like with this, it's a

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Speaker 2: subtle way, but yeah, like it's it's working on people's

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Speaker 2: emotions again because you're creating this expectation of a given outcome.

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Speaker 2: So if that reality doesn't come true fruition or doesn't

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Speaker 2: come to pass, then you really have some Now you

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Speaker 2: can take people who have gone from their moment of

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Speaker 2: being like but.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was supposed to and then be like,

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Speaker 3: you know what it really was they started, and.

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Speaker 2: Can just easily funnel people into like really extreme beliefs

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Speaker 2: because yeah, like it's just been this constant sort of

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Speaker 2: you know, rhetorical massaging of this shit just to get people, yeah,

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Speaker 2: really riled up for it. That's what is scary. And

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Speaker 2: I'm like, when you look at I know, in the past,

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Speaker 2: who is your colleague that we had on who was

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Speaker 2: talking what was her name, Sabine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Sabine.

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Speaker 2: When Sabine was on, we were talking about like what

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Speaker 2: what's it look like out there on like kookie telegram channels,

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Speaker 2: And it seemed like for the moment, not sure anything's

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Speaker 2: quite becoming organized for anything that would resemble like a

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Speaker 2: January sixth kind of thing. Now, now that we're like

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Speaker 2: sort of five months I think or four months away

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Speaker 2: from that. Is that still the case or are is

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Speaker 2: there still is there starting to become like a rallying

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Speaker 2: again of people who are like, hey, we got to

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Speaker 2: be vigil at this time, we got to be vigil

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Speaker 2: at this time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of those folks are

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Speaker 1: still pretty scared of federal law enforcement, right and the

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Speaker 1: people that were like really bad I'm like, really responsible

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Speaker 1: for a lot of the more like organized violence on

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Speaker 1: January sixth are in prison now, you know. So it's uh,

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Speaker 1: I think that that in combination with like the stories

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Speaker 1: that these folks tell themselves about January six it just

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Speaker 1: made them like way too paranoid to do that, right now.

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Speaker 1: That's said, things can change, right right, Yeah, And we've.

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Speaker 3: Loved what a conspiracy theory keeps people in line.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've still got like five months and some

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Speaker 1: change until the election, and most of the craziest shit

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Speaker 1: that happened twenty twenty happened after the election, right right,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I mean we're we've got a pretty

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Speaker 1: like long timeline to look down where things could change

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Speaker 1: quite a bit. At the moment, I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: an appetite for it, although in a deeply like cynical

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Speaker 1: it would it would be terrible, But if they did

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Speaker 1: it again, they would be like something at least a

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Speaker 1: little bit funny about it.

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Speaker 5: That didn't know they're doing right, sick like this time,

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Speaker 5: it's gonna work out for all of it.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 5: To stop the steel specifically, Like so if you like

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Speaker 5: had a Supreme Court justice flying a Q flag, like

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Speaker 5: I think there'd be you know that that seems more

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Speaker 5: unlikely to me. But the fact that like Alito had

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Speaker 5: the stop the Steel flag flying at his home or like,

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Speaker 5: it just you know that Ginny Thomas, like Clarence Thomas's

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Speaker 5: wife was like as involved in the stop the Steel

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Speaker 5: stuff as she was. Like that, it just feels like

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Speaker 5: there's more institutional support for around that one, and that

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Speaker 5: that one is actually like fairly focused and insidious and

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Speaker 5: like specifically able to undermine the very foundation of like democracy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's all like way more organized now,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think they need to storm the capitol,

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Speaker 1: like if they can just build sympathy of like all

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Speaker 1: of the people on one side of the aisle in

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Speaker 1: said capital or the sympathy of people who are doing

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Speaker 1: the vote counting and certifying, you know, like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't think they need to storm a capital right.

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Speaker 3: Well shit, so they've gotten better. Stay tuned, everybody. Hey,

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Speaker 3: Like I said, November, take your time, take your sweet

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Speaker 3: ass time.

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Speaker 5: November as time November. God, Jared, such a pleasure having

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Speaker 5: you on the show as always. Where can people find you?

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Speaker 3: Follow you? Read you all that good stuff.

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Speaker 1: You can read me. I write periodically for these two

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Speaker 1: for Strategic Dialogue, which is at ISD Global dot org.

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Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter or no? Everything?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Everything up? Okay, never mind, I'm in.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to give my banking information to the

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Speaker 1: richest idiot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and my blooded it's a Jared L.

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Speaker 1: Holt and uh yeah that's It's like the two kind

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Speaker 1: of public facing things I do because of the work

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 5: So there you go, amazing. Is there a work of

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Speaker 5: media that you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 1: When it gets warmer outside, I start listening to more

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Speaker 1: like heavier music. I've been kind of revisiting some of

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01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: my like post hardcore favorites like Touche a More and

1194
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: really getting into or I guess back into this band

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Speaker 1: called the world is a beautiful place and I'm no

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Speaker 1: longer afraid to die, which that's a mouthful. Is a mouthful,

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Speaker 1: but they pull it off somehow. But yeah, yeah, just

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Speaker 1: revisit the music you listen to when you were a teenager.

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Speaker 1: Most of it probably still goes really hard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, it does.

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Speaker 5: Miles, where can people find you as their working media?

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01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: You've been enjoying Twitter we call it twitter on Instagram

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01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: and that and the like, don't know about meta whatever, threads,

1204
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,479
Speaker 2: TikTok at Miles of Gray. If you like basketball man,

1205
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: just get ready for this week's Miles and Jack got

1206
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: Matt boosties because our heads are basically you have spun

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01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: around and popped off our bodies because the fuck o man,

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Speaker 2: the West, those Western Conference sem they're We're blessed. We're

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01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: blessed to just see such a such a wild ending

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Speaker 2: to that. And then also catch me on four talking

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Speaker 2: about ninety day fiance. A tweet I like is from

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Speaker 2: past guest Roywood Junior at Roywood Junior. He's quote, there's

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Speaker 2: fucking Terrence Howard. It looks like he was on Rogan

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Speaker 2: recently and he's talking now. I don't know if this

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01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 2: is a recent thing. But it's it's a clip of

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Speaker 2: Terrence Howard on Rogan and he put every black barbershop

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Speaker 2: used to have one of these brothers walk in on

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Speaker 2: a satturday afternoon and fuck up the vibes and let

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Speaker 2: me just play this whole fuck.

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Speaker 3: Whatever the fuck Terrence Howard is talking about here.

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Speaker 4: That that we call intellectual phase locking, where when they

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Speaker 4: get different measurements for the speed of light, all of

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01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 4: the scientists around the world will average it out to

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01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 4: one thing instead of showing the fluctuations in it. Oh wow,

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Speaker 4: it's called intellectual phase locking.

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Speaker 3: It's not oh wow.

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Speaker 2: It truly is a shit like bro I don't know, man,

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Speaker 2: where's the guy who's selling bootleg tapes? But anyway, yeah, Terrence,

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Speaker 2: he continues to wow the people with his inferior intellect,

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Speaker 2: I mean, superior.

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Speaker 4: In the joy.

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Speaker 3: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore.

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Speaker 5: Obrian tweet I've been enjoying Boob Dylan at b yu.

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Speaker 5: Super Soaker tweeted you let your cat sleep great names

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Speaker 5: by the way, tweeted quote you let your cats sleep

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Speaker 5: in your bed? Question mark brother, I would let my

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Speaker 5: cat shoot a gun if you wanted to. And then

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Speaker 5: Andy Ryan tweeted, so embarrassing in an antique shop when

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Speaker 5: I tried to buy a vase and it turned out

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Speaker 5: to be the negative space between the faces of two

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Speaker 5: other customers.

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Speaker 3: We've all been there.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 5: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeigeist, where

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Speaker 5: a d Daily Zeichgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook

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01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 5: fan page kind of that we're constantly just updating. We

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Speaker 5: just thought we were just told that it hasn't been

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Speaker 5: updated in four years.

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Speaker 7: But we're gonna keep.

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Speaker 3: Telling you about way yo big things coming. Bit keep

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Speaker 3: your eye open.

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Speaker 8: Facebook a website Daily Zeiguist dot comery post our episode

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Speaker 8: than our footnotes, where then go off to the information

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Speaker 8: that we talked about in today's episode, as well as

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Speaker 8: a song that we think you might enjoy.

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Speaker 5: Miles, what song do we think people might enjoy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, as things get slightly warmer, although la

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01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,919
Speaker 2: is still stuck in its like late winter ish spring thing,

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01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: we have not quite gotten the heat.

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Speaker 3: That we're used to. Although look it's it's the June

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Speaker 3: gloom always hits around this time, but the vibes are

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Speaker 3: getting more warmer in summer.

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Speaker 4: Ear.

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Speaker 2: I want to play this track by Reina tropical and

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Speaker 2: it's called Cartagena and it's just like a I've the

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Speaker 2: first time hearing her work, but she's like a singer, songwriter,

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Speaker 2: guitar player and it's just guys like that Latin tropical

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Speaker 2: sort of energy to it. And yeah, it's just a good,

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Speaker 2: good track just to play as we, you know, enjoy

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Speaker 2: the warmer months.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, this is Cartagena by Reina. We would like

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Speaker 3: off to that in.

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Speaker 5: The footnotes today He's like, guys, is the production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 5: For more podcasts in my heart Radio, visit the iHeart

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Speaker 5: Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever fine podcasts are given

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Speaker 5: away for free. That's going to do it for us

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Speaker 5: this morning, back this afternoon to tell you what is trending,

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Speaker 5: and we will talk to hell then bye bye