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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. My name

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Speaker 1: is Joe McCormick. Today we're running an older episode of

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Speaker 1: Weird House Cinema. This was originally published November seventeenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, and it is about the nineteen seventy nine

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong Woosha film The Butterfly Murders. Ooh, this was

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Speaker 1: a good one. I hope you enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Hey you, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 1: And I am Joe McCormick. In today's pick on Weird

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Speaker 1: House is the genre defying nineteen seventy nine Hong Kong

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Speaker 1: martial arts bonanza, The Butterfly Murders, directed by Shehawk. This

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Speaker 1: movie is great. It has everything. It's part Wusha, part

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Speaker 1: eco horror. I didn't expect it to be so much

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Speaker 1: like like Frogs and other eco horror movies we've done.

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Speaker 1: It's part murder mystery, but it's also all killer butterflies.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: This one's a real treat. It's almost like a fitting

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Speaker 3: pre Thanksgiving dinner kind of a film because it's just

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Speaker 3: stuff to the gills as we as we'll discuss. No doubt,

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Speaker 3: this is perhaps a sense too of like talented filmmakers

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Speaker 3: first movie Syndrome, where clearly they had had so many

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Speaker 3: ideas that need to be unleashed on the world, and

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Speaker 3: they're all present, you know. So it's maybe a little

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Speaker 3: a little bit overloaded in that regard. But yeah, there's

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Speaker 3: so many interesting elements i'd throw in proto slasher, gothic horror,

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, you know, one thing I really respect about

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Speaker 1: this movie is that I don't actually know what it

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Speaker 1: was called in the I guess original Cantonese marketing, but

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Speaker 1: the English title delivers on the promise in a quite

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Speaker 1: literal fashion. So it's called The Butterfly Murders, and the

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Speaker 1: Butterfly Murders is not about like a serial killer who

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Speaker 1: draws a butterfly at every crime scene or something. That's

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Speaker 1: what you would guess based on that title, right. It's

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Speaker 1: always that kind of annoying fake out, But in this case, no,

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Speaker 1: it is literally about people who are murdered by swarms

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Speaker 1: of bloodthirsty butterflies.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, And I think my initial guess when I

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Speaker 3: started running across this title was, oh, it's a serial killer.

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Speaker 3: It's some sort of like, oh, he leaves a butterfly

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Speaker 1: Well, there are human intelligences behind the butterfly crimes, but

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Speaker 1: they really are carried out via swarms of butterflies. Multiple

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Speaker 1: reviews i've seen compare this film to Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds,

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Speaker 1: and yes, I definitely see some similarities. I think there

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Speaker 1: birds have beaks and talons. This is about killer butterflies.

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Speaker 1: And the crazy thing is this movie succeeds at making

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Speaker 1: butterflies scary. Well, I don't know that was my opinion.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you agree, Rob, but I was

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I feel like it's essentially a goofy concept right

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Speaker 3: because you can break down and say, okay, well, there

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Speaker 3: are examples of butterflies and moths that have some level

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Speaker 1: However, on top of just that home run of a

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Speaker 1: premise killer butterflies, I want to say, across the board,

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Speaker 1: I thought this movie was generally number one excellent, like

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is, you know. It is a historic martial

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Speaker 3: with the complex plot, multiple characters, parallel mysteries and feuding

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Speaker 3: It's almost too captivating. Again, if you're trying to follow

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Speaker 1: Let's say a scholar, a gang boss, and a wireflying

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Speaker 3: All right, let's hear a little bit of the trailer audio.

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Speaker 3: Now? Before we proceed? You may be wondering, well, how

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Speaker 3: can I watch The Butterfly Murders? Well, it's not an

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Speaker 3: very watchable, but it has not benefited from restoration. Uh

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. I mean it's it's details like this,

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Speaker 1: But like we said, there are some sort of under

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Speaker 3: varying ways. We'll just keep referring to him as Hawk here.

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Speaker 3: He was born in nineteen fifty Vietnamese born, Texas educated

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Speaker 3: it's also considered something of a new wavessation in Chinese cinema.

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Speaker 3: It's long been a cult favorite internationally as well. I

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Speaker 3: Now Hawk went on to have an exceptional career, and

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Speaker 3: The writers on this, we have Chiu Ming Lamb, who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so our main character, according to the subtitles was

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Speaker 1: Love Green Shadow, but I would say this movie actually

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Speaker 3: The next character we have is the Master of the Castle,

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Speaker 1: Another great martial arts focused performance here.

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Speaker 3: Outlaw Brother.

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Speaker 1: All Right, you want to get into the plot. Oh,

434
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Speaker 1: let's get into it, all right. So, as I teased earlier,

435
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Speaker 1: it's kind of difficult to figure out how to approach

436
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: this one, Like should we try to explain the whole

437
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: plot or employed the skip a bit brother principle from

438
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Speaker 1: Monty Python. I'm going to start off talking in some detail,

439
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Speaker 1: and then if if we find this is too too much,

440
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: maybe we can we can zoom out a little bit.

441
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Speaker 3: Okay, sounds good, all.

442
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: Right, So the film begins with narration. It shows a

443
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: mist blowing in front of a full moon, and the narrator,

444
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: who we will later find out is Fong. The scholar

445
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: tells us quote, in the thirty six year period before

446
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: the New Era, two devastating wars took place in the

447
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: Marshal world, and the idea of a martial world seems

448
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: to be a sort of concept in this movie where

449
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: it's like, this is the world in which all of

450
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: the martial arts fighters sort of compete for power, and

451
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: it includes especially whatever this character will get to in

452
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: a minute, Boss Ten is doing. He's in charge of

453
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Speaker 1: something that seems to me to be maybe like mercenary armies,

454
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: maybe a criminal gang, maybe some sort of pseudo or

455
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: quasi governmental thing. But he just commands a lot of fighters.

456
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Speaker 1: So he's big in the marshal world. Is that how

457
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: you understood it?

458
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's kind of like a master of

459
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 3: a guild or guild of warriors kind of a thing.

460
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Fong tells us a narration that there was

461
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Speaker 1: this first war in the dim Chong Mountain. Many were killed,

462
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Speaker 1: Hungry condors filled the skies. There was a second war

463
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Speaker 1: in Wodong Mountain or in the bottom of Wodong Mountain.

464
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: It says there many were killed again. And then it

465
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Speaker 1: says from that time onwards, quote, most masters in the

466
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Speaker 1: martial world were all dead. Thus the martial world entered

467
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Speaker 1: the Quiet Period, lasting over thirty years. On the surface,

468
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Speaker 1: it was a strange truce. In fact, there were undercurrents

469
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Speaker 1: of unrest. Then emerged seventy two new forces termed these

470
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Speaker 1: seventy two Trails of Smoke, heralding the dawn of the

471
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Speaker 1: new era. And then here, while the narration goes on,

472
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Speaker 1: we see this barren sandy landscape with smooth white sand,

473
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Speaker 1: almost like a beach, though I don't think it's a beach.

474
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Speaker 1: I think it's a desert. There are mountains in the distance,

475
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Speaker 1: and then in the foreground there is a single, lonely

476
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Speaker 1: tree branch blowing in the wind.

477
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Speaker 3: So already we're kind of in the deep end here.

478
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Speaker 3: But I love the texture that has presented because, at

479
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Speaker 3: least as far as I was understanding the subtitles on

480
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Speaker 3: all of this, like it's almost the post apocalyptic setting,

481
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Speaker 3: Like the warriors have become so skilled that they killed

482
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: each other and killed everyone off, and so we're in

483
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Speaker 3: this momentary, peaceful period, but there are still these undercurrents

484
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: of like reaching and grasping for the old military technologies

485
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Speaker 3: and tactics that will of course inevitably bring us back

486
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Speaker 3: up to where we were before.

487
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Yeah, that's how I understood the setting.

488
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: There used to be a bunch of martial arts heroes.

489
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Speaker 1: They all killed each other. Then there were thirty years

490
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Speaker 1: without martial arts heroes, and now the martial world is returning.

491
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Speaker 3: This would be a great They keep doing, you know,

492
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: sequels to all these fighting games, and it's always the

493
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: same thing every time, like do this instead.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a good prim Okay, But the

495
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: narrator goes on to explain his own place in this,

496
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Speaker 1: he says. In these warring years, a traveling scholar, untrained

497
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: in martial arts, recorded the important events of the era

498
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: and sold them for a living. His name is Pong,

499
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Speaker 1: and I am that one, he says, to this martial world.

500
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: I was an observer, but inevitably I become totally involved.

501
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: This is a good sort of taste of the subtitle character. Yes,

502
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: is that it's it's you can follow it, but there's

503
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: a little but there's some nuance missing there.

504
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some translation issues and things get clearly getting

505
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: lost in the translation to the English subtitles. We can

506
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: mention a few more moments like that as we go on,

507
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: but overall, yeah, you can follow what's happening. So we

508
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: see we see a man come over the horizon and

509
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: crunching through the sand. He wears simple robes, appears to

510
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: be a humble and quiet fellow, and this is Pong.

511
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: Fong approaches a castle surrounded by tall grass, and then

512
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: there is an explosion in one of its towers, and

513
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Speaker 1: then the narration continue. Returning from Tibet in the twenty

514
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: fourth of the New Era, I met ten Phone, leader

515
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: of the Ten Flags, and intriguing encounter and then in

516
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: a quite funny way, there's a sudden cut to just

517
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: like funk music like heavy funk groove and wikiwiki guitars.

518
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: So on screen we see a hand of an unknown

519
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: person reaching for the sky, fingers curled into a fist,

520
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: and then the hand opens to reveal in its palm

521
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: a butterfly. The butterfly flies away title screen, the butterfly murders,

522
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: and we get a song with lyrics. So I want

523
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: to say what the lyrics are. As translated in the

524
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: subtitles here, the lyrics are Smoke arises, Blood is in

525
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: the air, life of death. I must face it, trying

526
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: to escape, yet you are already trapped. Suspicious arise, Confidence shattered,

527
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: one whiff and I am down forever. Who is to grieve?

528
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: Who is to be glad? Isn't this all?

529
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: From the Bridge to Metallica? Is one? Like I can

530
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: just imagine it, James Hetfield belting it out like da

531
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Speaker 3: da da da.

532
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: Dut confidence shot dada. But no, it's it's a kind

533
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: of uh lilting ballad sort of melody.

534
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nice. I think you probably hurt part of

535
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: it in the trailer audio we played. But now you

536
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: know what it's said roughly.

537
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: All the while this opening credit sequence, while the music

538
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: is playing, it is trying really hard to make butterflies

539
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: look menacing, and to my surprise, succeeding. We see butterflies

540
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: landing and alighting from rocks along the bank of a

541
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Speaker 1: mountain stream. Then there are several shots where butterflies are

542
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: not flying, but perched on the rocks and just sort

543
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: of pumping their wings rhythmically while they stay perched there.

544
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Speaker 1: I've seen this movement before, of course, never thought to

545
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: interpret it as threatening, But for some with the right focus,

546
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: somehow it does look a bit that way. It does

547
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: look a bit like like some kind of I don't know,

548
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: like predatory animal flexing its jaws. It's interesting how framing

549
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: can change the way you see an utterly harmless animal.

550
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: Oh but also I thought, before the song is finished,

551
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: it just cuts off like in mid line and smash

552
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: edits to a roaring waterfall with no music playing. So

553
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: here it goes on introducing the characters. It says, the

554
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: powerful Tinfong leads his ten flags of men, so I

555
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: think he rules. The ten flags are ten different gangs

556
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: or guilds of martial arts fighters, and so overall what

557
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: he leads I think is known as the Tin Clan,

558
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: but there are ten different gangs within it, and they're

559
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: like color coded, so there's like the red flags and

560
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: the white flags and so forth. And the camera pans

561
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: and we see the bodies of many swordsmen lying dead

562
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: on the rocks in the middle of a river, with

563
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: blood running into the foamy rapids and swirling around them.

564
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: I think this is supposed to indicate like, these are

565
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: the enemies of Boston. Boston has defeated them all. When

566
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Speaker 1: it cuts to something else, it's like, Okay, here's here's

567
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: a scene for you. It happened in the twenty fourth

568
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: of the New Era, on the sixth day of the

569
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: sixth month in bar Bridge paper mill founded for over

570
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: eighty years, an unusual incident happened. That's the narration. So

571
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: here we see a pre industrial paper mill in operation.

572
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: Workers are boiling down wood products and rags in water,

573
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: pounding out sheets of paper and hanging them up to dry.

574
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: But it's not just a paper mill. This appears to

575
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: be a combination paper mill and printing press. So some

576
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: of the workers are in like a different part of

577
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: the setting, are arranging type blocks and pressing them with

578
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: ink and then pressing paper against them.

579
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: I loved all the little details in this sequence. I

580
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: feel like he does a really great job establishing the

581
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: setting and the sense of enterprise here. It was just

582
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 3: really drawn in. Again, this is a technically a very

583
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: proficient film, so you know, all this stuff that might

584
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: be sort of wasted motion in a lesser film is

585
00:32:59,400 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: all very ink.

586
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: I agree. I feel like this director is really skilled

587
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: with setting and situation. This is a movie where you

588
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: always have a really good feeling of where you are

589
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: and what it feels like where the scene is taking place. Yeah,

590
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: now here we get our first real time scene with dialogue.

591
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Speaker 1: A man, a kind of suspiciously behaving man, comes into

592
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: the paper mill with a proposition for the boss. They

593
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: sit down and share a cup of tea. The boss

594
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: I believe he smokes his pipe or something, and the

595
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: visitor produces a book in what looks like scroll form

596
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: from his satchel. He asks if the mill would be

597
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: able to print five thousand copies of this document within

598
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Speaker 1: ten days.

599
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: What is it?

600
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: The mysterious visitor says he came across this book by accident,

601
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: but that it is the memoirs of Pong describing the

602
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: quote unusual events of the last ten years, and this

603
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: causes like a music sting. The boss is surprised. He

604
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: almost sort of spits out his pipe, and the visitor

605
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: says that the boss will make lots of money by

606
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: selling this book. Okay, so the boss of the paper

607
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: mill is not just making paper, not just printing on it,

608
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: but I think also operating a bookstore and selling books.

609
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, the visitor is like, okay, print up this book,

610
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: sell a bunch of copies. You'll make money. Oh and

611
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: just in the middle here we get this little interlude

612
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: where it's just showing us the printing the printing press

613
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: workers who are arranging the words on the type blocks,

614
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: and they're narrating. One is narrating the text to the

615
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: other while he puts the characters in place, and the

616
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: narration goes, my beloved came riding on a bamboo horse,

617
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: and the guy kind of sings along. I just really

618
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: liked this moment. Yeah, But the boss says he does

619
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: not think that these pages are authentically the work of

620
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: Fong because they do not match Fong's handwriting, so he

621
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: knows what Pong's handwriting looks like. And then next thing,

622
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 1: paper mill workers find the boss dead, hanging upside down

623
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: in the back of the print shop, and the visitor

624
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: is gone. He seems to have busted out through one

625
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: of the windows. It's very eerie. There are all these

626
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: papers hung up on clotheslines for the ink to dry,

627
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: and they're they're flapping in the wind from a smashed window.

628
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 3: So already we have printing press drama in this film.

629
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: What was going on? What was this mysterious apparently fraudulent

630
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: work that was they were trying to get published and distributed.

631
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: We'll we'll find out later on in the film.

632
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would this guy kill a print boss for

633
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: refusing to or for refusing to print this book or

634
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: for recognizing that it was not Fong's handwriting? Well, next

635
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: to the narration tells us that the bar bridge, the

636
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: place where the printing press was and the paper mill was,

637
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: was in the territory of tin Clan's White Flag. So

638
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: that's one of Boston's gangs. So it's like they control

639
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: that area. Uh, And so it says several days afterwards,

640
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: we see someone in a wide brimmed hat running through

641
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: a field of tall weeds pursued by a gang of

642
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: men with hooked blades. He has caught and unmasked, and

643
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: it is the guy from the paper mill, the visitor

644
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: who brought the who brought the scroll and apparently killed

645
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: the boss there, and the White Flag warrior who captures

646
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: him says, poisonous Wasp, you killed the paper mill's boss.

647
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: The White Flag leader tries to interrogate him, He's like,

648
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: why did you kill the boss, but the stranger doesn't answer. Instead,

649
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: he tries to fight his way out of the situation,

650
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: and he gets killed. So no answers there.

651
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 3: They'll refer back to him, I believe as wasp. So

652
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: apparently poisonous Wasp was not like they weren't caught, you know,

653
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: it wasn't profanity. It was like, that's just his name.

654
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: He's poisonous Wasp.

655
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. Narrator goes on to say in the sixth

656
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: of the New Era, drought struck bandits abounded. The living

657
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: was difficult, starvation caused cannibalism. Those still strong enough were

658
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: busy digging up graves. Thirteen royal tombs in Wei Ying

659
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: were dug up in one night. General Ping Nam's tomb

660
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: in Butterfly Valley was rumored to be full of treasures.

661
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: Ah okay, so there's a grave full of treasures. And

662
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: we cut to a spooky scene of workers out in

663
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, swinging pickaxes in a grove

664
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: of trees by yellow lamplight, and suddenly they stop digging.

665
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: One of the workers asks what's wrong. Another one says,

666
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: it seems like they're being watched. Then a lamp swings

667
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: from a branch, and these patterns of light and shadow

668
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: rock back and forth in the tree canopy while the

669
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: workers are watching, almost like they are expecting something to

670
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: come down at them from above, and there's this whispering wind.

671
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: The atmosphere in the scene is so cool, and after

672
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: listening for a moment, the workers start digging again. But

673
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: in the foreground we see a single black butterfly flutters

674
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: down from the sky and it lands softly on the

675
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: bark of a tree branch. Then you pan to tree

676
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: limbs directly over the worker's heads to reveal the branches

677
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: are covered in butterflies. Normally that wouldn't seem so menacing.

678
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: Here it really does. There are these very effective close

679
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: ups of the wings flexing and the spiral shaped probosis

680
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: like unfurling and catching the light. And so just when

681
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: the workers strike a hard surface at the dig site,

682
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: suddenly the butterflies explode with activity, swarming all around the men.

683
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: The men scream in pain, They're terrified. They fall to

684
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: the ground. Somehow the butterflies are killing them.

685
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 3: And again like it's effectively done. The animals attack element

686
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: of this film is on the whole more believable than

687
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: most of the other all animals attack sort of films

688
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: that we've talked about in the past, Like far more

689
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: terrifying than frogs.

690
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: Yes. Agree. Also, there was a green fireball in the scene.

691
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, all right. So amid

692
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: all these hard times and bad things going on, we

693
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: finally see a meeting of multiple tin Clan warriors. So

694
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: the White Flag Warriors meet with warriors dressed all in red.

695
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: I guess these are the Red Flag Warriors. They are

696
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: gathering on a cliff on a misty mountain slope. The

697
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: Red Flag gang is led by a woman named number ten.

698
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: The White Flag gang is led by a man named

699
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: number three. Number three says their boss has been acting

700
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: very strange since he acquired the twelve districts. I guess

701
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: that means he gained power over twelve territories. I don't

702
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: think this information is important, but just to give you

703
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: a flavor of like all the complicated like numbers and

704
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: factional naming that happens here. One of number three says,

705
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: since the Yellow Flags ran down the Pangs, the ten

706
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: Klan is the third most powerful of the seventy two.

707
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: Since then, Boss has quietened.

708
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it does. Again. Part of it is the

709
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: fact that the subtitles are a little bit confusing. It

710
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: may not be the case if you're watching it, you know,

711
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: as part of the intended original audience. But yeah, a

712
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: lot of this feels like maybe we could have cut

713
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: this and maybe simplified it a little bit, because it's

714
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: not all going to be essential once we get into

715
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: the second half of the picture.

716
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: But the Red Flag Leader and the White Flag Leader

717
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: discussed it. They talk about how they think Boss ten

718
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: is trying to gain repute and that there there's a

719
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: vendetta among the seventy two. I guess the seventy two

720
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: what was it called smoke trails? Yeah, that I guess

721
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: are different different gangs arising in this new era. And

722
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: so the fights between them cannot be solved. And their boss,

723
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: the boss of their gangs, is trying to look good.

724
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: I guess trying to get repute.

725
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a great deal of martial arts gang drama

726
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 3: going on.

727
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then done, dun done. Suddenly heavy music sting,

728
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: heavy bass and sudden, and the boss is here. The

729
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: boss pops up. This is the first time I think

730
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: we've seen Tinfung. He's also got another guy with him.

731
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: They sort of jump out from behind a rock and

732
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: everybody's like boss, and oh boy, Tinfong the boss has

733
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: magnificent hair. He's standing with one leg up on a

734
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: kind of pulpit of rock on the mountain side, overlooking

735
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: the gang members. Underneath him stands some kind of lieutenant

736
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: that we later find out is named Big Eyed, who's

737
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: wearing like pink robes and a cape. Tinfong himself is

738
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: wearing a cape or a cloak and this like cool

739
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: black outfit with kind of a V neck. He's just

740
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: got rock star hair. He looks really cool and stern

741
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, he would be a good gang boss.

742
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah.

743
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: If he were to ask if we could dig it,

744
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 3: I would have to agree.

745
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: We can dig it. Yeah, yeah, But he explains to

746
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: his fighters. He says, three days ago, Shume Castle sent

747
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: me a secret letter. The master of Shume Castle and

748
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: I only met once five years ago, yet he's asking

749
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: for my help. An unusual event occurred at the castle recently.

750
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: They say what event, and the Boss says, butterflies. Bathel

751
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: looks all around.

752
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: Now we have we have a call to adventure here,

753
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: we have the invite to the spooky Castle.

754
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: That's right.

755
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: Uh.

756
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: Then and then specifically, this is another one where I

757
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: would guess that the original line is delivered in a

758
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: very hard hitting fashion, but the way it's phrased in

759
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: the subtitles doesn't quite capture it. The sentence that he

760
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: speaks is they found butterflies which kill in the castle.

761
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it, clearly it's better in the

762
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: original language, but that's what we get via subtitles.

763
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: But here we get like a cut to an extreme

764
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: close up of a butterfly head. The heavy drumming sound

765
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, and it's laying that groundwork. It's making

766
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: butterflies scary. So the Boss says, I'm going to go

767
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: to the castle. I need the white flags and the

768
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: red flags to go ahead and set up checkpoints on

769
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: the paths around the castle, to surround the castle and

770
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: monitor who comes and goes ahead of time, and I'll

771
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: be there in three days. Meanwhile, just to emphasize again,

772
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: like how cool a lot of the settings are here.

773
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: The landscape are Boston. While he's giving the speech is

774
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: just livid, like there are jagged rocks everywhere, the earth

775
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: is belching out these clouds of fog, and there is

776
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: just a steady rumbling sound under everything, like there's maybe

777
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: a volcano erupting in the distance or something. Yeah. Yeah.

778
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: Oh.

779
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: Also, Tinfung sends his lieutenant Big Eyed, to the castle

780
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: ahead of time to sneak into the castle find out

781
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: what's going on. So Big Eyed says, all right, boss,

782
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: and he goes to do that. But next we follow

783
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: Tinfung on the road, traveling alone, apparently in disguise in

784
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: a hood and cloak. There are a lot of disguises

785
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: in this movie, but he's walking along a path in

786
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: the country and then he suddenly stops and calls out,

787
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: you've been following me for two days, come on out.

788
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: And so whoever he saw he do does come out,

789
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: and it's green Shadow yeah, yeah, yeah, first Green Shadow scene.

790
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's just instantly delightful.

791
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: So Green Shadow swings through the air, crosses the path

792
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: in front of him, then appears dangling from a rope.

793
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: Green Shadow is a young woman dressed in sort of

794
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: forest green robes. She is kind of a cross between

795
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: Spider Man and Predator. So, like like the Predator, she

796
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: uses the trees, you know, she swings from branch to branch,

797
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: but like Spider Man, she's kind of a web slinger,

798
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: like she swings from wires and ropes and zips around

799
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 1: on them. But also she's just so positive, Like Green

800
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: Shadow has a really friendly and exuberant personality and she

801
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: always knows something that other people don't. Yeah.

802
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's on top of the situation and she's she's

803
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 3: she's here for a good time.

804
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Also in the scene, I don't know if tinfoone is

805
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: just he happens to be crushing a butterfly in his fist,

806
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: but he gets around asking Green Shadow, why are you

807
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: following me? And she says, I've always been interested in

808
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: other secrets. Yeah, we can tell Green Shadow you know

809
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: everybody's secrets before. Yeah, you clearly are are nosy. Now

810
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: they appear to have some kind of pass like they

811
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: know each other. It's not not really fully explained, but

812
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've been enemies in the past

813
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: or allies, but they know each other somehow. I don't

814
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: know if you caught any detail on that I missed, Rob.

815
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: Now I just kind of picked up like maybe it's

816
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: like a professional thing, you know. It's like, well, of

817
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 3: course I know Green Shadow. Everybody's heard about the exploits

818
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: of Green Shadow, and of course Fung is the boss,

819
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: so everybody knows who Fung is.

820
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: But we do know she's not one of the seventy

821
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: two factions that are fighting because Green Shadow warns him.

822
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: She says, many amongst the seventy two are coming for you.

823
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: Boss Ten says they'll all end up the same. Green

824
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: Shadow says, I'm not amongst the seventy two, so I

825
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: should be the exception. So Green Shadow offers to help him.

826
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: At first, he's kind of stand offish, but she reveals

827
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: she knows a lot. She knows what's going on. She

828
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: knows he's going to the Shum Castle. She knows what

829
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: happened at the Barbridge paper Mill. She knows about the

830
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: murder and the eight pages of Fung's memoirs. She reveals

831
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: that she knows about the killer butterflies since they are

832
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: mentioned in the memoirs that were that the guy was

833
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: trying to get published at this paper mill. Tin Fung

834
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: is like, you believe in Fong's memoirs, and she says, yeah,

835
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: he actually knows a lot. And Ten reveals his anti

836
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: scholar bias here. He's like, it's easy for scholars to talk,

837
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: but there's a great difference between writing and fighting.

838
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this will come up time and time again.

839
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: Good point, So Ten isn't going to trust Fong. But

840
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: then Green Shadow makes a good point. She's like, at

841
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: least he's not amongst the seventy two, so you know,

842
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: Ten knows he's not one of the enemies that's coming

843
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: for him. So they agree to go to Schum Castle together,

844
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: just as he ordered. Tin Fung's gang is already there

845
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: ahead of him, and they report that there has been

846
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: neary a peep from the castle, no lights, no smoke,

847
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: it's like there's no one there. And Big Eyed, the

848
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: lieutenant who is sent ahead ahead of time to investigate

849
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: the castle and report back, nobody's heard anything from him,

850
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: so they go inside inside the castle walls. At first,

851
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: everything appears deserted. The courtyard is kind of barren. It's

852
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: the sandy rectangle of earth with no signs of life.

853
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: It's almost even like a lot of the like. All

854
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: the furniture has been removed from the castle. It's just empty.

855
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: And Tin Fung's men and they scour the grounds. They

856
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: run along the battlements at the top of the walls.

857
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: They run in and out of the buildings. Tin Fung

858
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: himself wanders into one room where a massive shape of

859
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: some sort is hidden underneath a curtain. He pulls the

860
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: curtain away to reveal a demonic statue. Seems to be

861
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: some kind of malevolent, predatory or dragon like figure. It's

862
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: got real like Pazuzu statue from The Exorcist energy.

863
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely has more of the vibe of a

864
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 3: European or American Gothic castle set as opposed to like

865
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: a really ornate Chinese dragon. Because I mean, it is

866
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 3: obviously a set, and we'll see it later when it

867
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: of course explodes, because you can tell, you can tell

868
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: this was made to blow up. This thing's blow up

869
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: and crash at some point, and it will in spectacular fashion.

870
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, this scene and all the other Like again,

871
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: the director just does a great job establishing location. You know,

872
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: where you are in the castle, and especially as we

873
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: begin to add on different sections of it.

874
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: I agree as an aside, I feel like that is

875
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: a really important and underappreciated skill in filmmaking, underappreciated by

876
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: a lot of audiences. The importance of a director making

877
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: you using film to make you understand and feel a setting.

878
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: You know, there's some filmmakers who are really good at this,

879
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: like I would pull it, like the Coen Brothers are

880
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: really good at making you, like understand the feeling of

881
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: a room where the scene is taking place. Of course,

882
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: a lot of good directors are able to do this,

883
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: but a common feature of bad filmmaking is that like,

884
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: scenes are taking place in a setting where you don't

885
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: feel like you understand where you are right And this

886
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: is the opposite as we were saying, that the settings

887
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: are really well established, you feel them.

888
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's effortless and it doesn't require language at all.

889
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: So it's one of those things that the subtitles don't

890
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: get in the way of that because it's speaking directly

891
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: to you no matter what your native tongue is right.

892
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: But anyway, the White Flag fighters come to Tinfong to

893
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: inform him that they have found Big Eyed. Big Eyed

894
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: is dead, his body lying beside a pond in the courtyard.

895
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: His skin is covered in scorch marks and black smudges,

896
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: and inside his clenched fist is a butterfly. Of course,

897
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: Tinfung is furious at this to find his lieutenant dead.

898
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: Just then he and Green Shadow finally meet someone who

899
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: appears to be an inhabitant of the castle. It's a

900
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: young woman holding a lantern. Tinfong runs up to her

901
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: and tries to question her, but she seems either unable

902
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: or unwilling to speak, and she also seems afraid of him,

903
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: and they wonder why. Tinfongs like, why is she carrying

904
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: a lantern in the daytime, but Green Shadow, who again

905
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: always seem to be mentally one step ahead, says it's

906
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: because she came from underground. Green Shadow's right. They rush

907
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: around the corner to find a cellar door propped open,

908
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: and then the young woman with the lantern leads Tinfung

909
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: and Green Shadow down the stairs into an underground tunnel,

910
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: where they meet the master of the castle. It is

911
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: Master Schum. He's very glad they've come, and he escorts

912
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: them deeper into the rocky catacombs, where they find a

913
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: kind of improvised living space illuminated by torchlight. So down

914
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: in the space is Master Shum. There is the girl

915
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: with the lantern, whose name we learn is Chi. And

916
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: there is the Madam of the castle, Madam Schumer, Ladyshum.

917
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: Also there is another guest who has arrived. It is

918
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: the scholar Pong, remember him from earlier, He was the narrator.

919
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: This is the alleged author of the eight pages of

920
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: memoir from the incident at the paper mill. And as

921
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: we could expect, there is tension between Tinfung and Pong.

922
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: Boston does not trust him. He says, although your memoirs

923
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: have some repute, a scholar like you can only get

924
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: in the way and make things worse. He's not a

925
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: fan of these nerdy scholars. But Master Schum says, hey,

926
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: he needs Fong here. He invited him here to chronicle

927
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: the events that have happened and to make an accurate

928
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: report of what's going on at the castle, to serve

929
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: as a warning to others.

930
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: All right, so already you know We've got this strong

931
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 3: mystery gothic plot developing here, mysterious castle, strange events. People

932
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: with diverse backgrounds have been invited to witness what is

933
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: unfolding there.

934
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: Here. Master Shum explains the backstory, and so we see

935
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: it like re enacted as he tells it. He says,

936
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: earlier this year, on the fifth day of the fifth month,

937
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: there was it was a day to commemorate his ancestor's death,

938
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: and so we see a sort of temple shrine within

939
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: the castle grounds and there are offerings. There's like a

940
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: roasted chicken and a pig's head and a fish being

941
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: offered up, I guess in honor of his ancestor. And

942
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: the first strange occurrence here is that during the celebration,

943
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: a servant finds a reeking display in one of the

944
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: rooms of the castle. It looks like some kind of

945
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: dead tropical bird hanging upside down with its feathers covered

946
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: in blood, and it has a butterfly in its beak.

947
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: Second event is one night Lady Shum is weaving in

948
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: her chambers and is bitten so that blood is drawn,

949
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: but she's bitten by a butterfly that lands on her

950
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: neck and then on her hand. After this, the servants

951
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,479
Speaker 1: decide the castle is cursed. They start running away, leaving

952
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: the Schum family by themselves. One day, Master Shum finds

953
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: that masses of butterflies are swarming around the outside of

954
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: the windows, and the butterflies attack. They kill his last

955
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: loyal servant, as Master Shum himself barely escapes with his

956
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: life into the underground tunnels. So now it appears to

957
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: be just Schum, Lady Shum and she living down there

958
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: in the tunnels. Everybody else is dead or has fled

959
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: the castle.

960
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: And this is a great set, Like the more details

961
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 3: we get, the more amazing it is. Yeah, it's like

962
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 3: they're living underneath the Gothic castle in this complex that

963
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: it seems just increasingly. I mean, it's expressly described as

964
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: a labyrinth later on, with lots of confusing twists and

965
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: secret passages.

966
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: So just great setting, agree, And I love the rooms

967
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: they find in these passageways later on. But oh, we

968
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: also get some backstory about the third person there, about Chi,

969
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: the servant. Lady Schum explains that she found her alone

970
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: while traveling away from the castle years ago, that she

971
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: was deaf and mute. So the lady. So Lady Shum

972
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: brought Chi back to the castle with her to live

973
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: there and serve as her personal maid. So we met

974
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: all the characters here now. Later that night, Fong the

975
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: scholar and Master Schum have a conversation in Master Shum's

976
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: secret meditation chamber where he's got like a he's got

977
00:53:59,160 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: a go boards.

978
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I guess it's supposed to be like

979
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: a study. I think we might more realistically think of

980
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: it as his secret study.

981
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Fong says, why did you bring me here?

982
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: And Schum says, do you believe in ghosts? Fong takes

983
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: a diplomatic view that I think could be read multiple

984
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: different ways. He says, ghosts exist if you believe in them,

985
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: otherwise they don't. And I feel like you could there

986
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: are a few different ways you could take that. I

987
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: don't know how you read it, Rob.

988
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I took it to be like Thong is

989
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 3: a no nonsense kind of guy. You know, it's like

990
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: that that realizes that belief in ghosts is a powerful thing,

991
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: even if ghosts don't exist.

992
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's sort of how I took it too.

993
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: But then I also wondered if, well, maybe he means, like,

994
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: ghosts do exist and have power, but only over those

995
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: that believe in them. And yeah, but I don't know, Yeah,

996
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: either way it works. Yeah, anyway, Master Shum starts talking

997
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: about the anniversary of the death of his father, and

998
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: there is a there was a funny moment here with

999
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: like the way the subtitles work, with like the timing.

1000
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: Master Shum says he's killed by butterflies ten years ago,

1001
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: and then there's a music sting and Fong bolts up

1002
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: from his chair. But then Master Shum says kind of

1003
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: sadly that his father didn't believe in ghosts, and for

1004
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: this reason, he had no worries about trying to dig

1005
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: up the buried treasures of the General of Pinan or

1006
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: General Pinan. I think this is maybe the same tomb

1007
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: we saw being dug up by people earlier in the movie.

1008
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was supposed to be a

1009
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: depiction of the same scene, but you know, people digging

1010
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: for treasure in a general's tomb, though the general's name

1011
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: appeared to be spelled differently.

1012
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be the same, right, Yeah.

1013
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: Master Shum says his father lived peacefully for ten years

1014
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: after this act of grave robbing. But then one day

1015
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: ten years later was attacked by a swarm of killer butterflies.

1016
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: They assaulted the castle in the form of a cloud

1017
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: and descended to slaughter many men that day, and in

1018
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: the reenactment we see butterflies circling the towers in the

1019
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: castle walls. They leave soldiers and servants lying bloody in

1020
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: the courtyard. There are a lot of these sickening close

1021
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: ups of butterflies crawling over dead men. And then another

1022
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: line where I think it's not supposed to be funny,

1023
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: but something gets lost in the In the subtitle, Fong says,

1024
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: don't worry over it, let's work out together.

1025
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. The subtitles are again generally confusing in places, but

1026
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 3: rarely like actually, goofy, This is I think maybe the

1027
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: one real exception, And I had a nice hearty laugh

1028
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 3: about it.

1029
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: I think what it must mean is let's work it

1030
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: out together. I think he's saying like, we will solve

1031
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: the problem. That's how I took it, right, Yeah, that's

1032
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: I think clearly what they meant. But I also I

1033
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: couldn't help it. Then imagine like, yeah, let's go work out,

1034
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: let's let's hit the weights Yeah, some of these characters

1035
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: might work out together, but I don't think it would

1036
00:56:48,719 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: be Fong who would do it. He does not even lift. Okay. Meanwhile,

1037
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: we get a report to Tinfung about Big Eyed and

1038
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: how he died. They say that his wounds are made

1039
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: of numerous tiny holes and his skin is swollen, all

1040
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: symptoms of poison. And in a line that will be

1041
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: repeated by many characters many times throughout the film, someone says,

1042
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: are there really killer butterflies? It's sort of unanswered. It

1043
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: seems like maybe there are. There are some general creepy

1044
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: stalking around in the tunnels in the dark. Who's following who?

1045
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't always know, but Green Shadow is in the

1046
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: mix here somewhere.

1047
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of the Scooby Doo section of the film.

1048
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 3: There's a lot of creeping around. Who's creeping? You're not

1049
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: really entirely sure, but hopefully masks will be pulled off

1050
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 3: later on.

1051
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: Oh boy will they? So Suddenly the sneaking around is

1052
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: interrupted by a scream. One of Tinfung's White Flag soldiers

1053
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: is found lifeless on the ground up above, killed in

1054
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: the same way as Big Eyed. I guess by the butterflies,

1055
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: they're really piling on the butterfly deaths at this point,

1056
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: so Bosston he comes up with a solution, gets his

1057
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: warriors together, and he says, cover the castle in nets.

1058
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: So surely these nets will prevent any butterflies from getting in.

1059
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: Is that going to work? Is it going to work?

1060
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: Of course not?

1061
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: But will it look cool? You bet it will.

1062
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: They're like, they're really just like stacking butterfly murders every

1063
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: couple minutes at this point between the flashbacks and and

1064
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: what's happening in the present, So we also see the

1065
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: Red Flags out hunting. It's mostly like the White Flag

1066
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: warriors who are hanging out at the castle with Boss Ten.

1067
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: We see the Red Flags out hunting for butterflies with

1068
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: handheld nets, and they remark that there is not a

1069
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: single butterfly to be found in a twenty mile radius.

1070
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: Where could the killer insects be hiding. But here we're

1071
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: about to get into some investigation scenes, and just a

1072
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: warning if you want to go into this movie without

1073
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: any of the surprises spoiled, you know we're about to

1074
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: spoil things as we go along, So before warned. Inside it,

1075
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: Night Fong, the Scholar, and Green Shadow meet in one

1076
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: of the tunnels to discuss the castle. They conclude that

1077
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: there has to be a secret entrance to the underground labyrinth,

1078
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: but they cannot find the door, even though they've both

1079
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: been looking for it. So while they go looking around,

1080
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: they come across a hidden room with these hanging screens

1081
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: covered in thousands of dead butterfly specimens. It's like a

1082
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: lepidoptery collection.

1083
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 3: Now this is highly suspicious. Now we seem to be

1084
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 3: getting somewhere with the butterfly mystery.

1085
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: Right, So Fong and Green Shadow discuss whose work the

1086
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: collection could be, possibly the servant Chi. They note that

1087
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: they both thought that Chi had been with them separately

1088
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: at the time the White Flag soldier was found killed

1089
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: the previous night. So how could Chi have been in

1090
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: two places at once. Hmmm, we'll come back to that,

1091
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: but oh no. Next, Master Shum is attacked by butterflies

1092
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: inside his meditation room. He's but he's like locked inside

1093
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: the room, so they cannot go in help him. The

1094
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: door is locked from the inside, and everybody's watching through

1095
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: a grate in the door as he is killed by

1096
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: a swarm of butterflies. Eventually they are able to blast

1097
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: the doors open with gunpowder but it's too late. Master

1098
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: Shum lies dead on the floor, surrounded by pieces from

1099
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: his go board. Oh boy, Rob, I know you like

1100
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: a will reading scene, don't you.

1101
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where we get the will reading, where

1102
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, he left a will? Should we read it?

1103
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 3: Should we gather everyone together? Are there agents or individuals

1104
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 3: out there who don't want us to read the will? Oh?

1105
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:34,479
Speaker 3: I think that might be the case.

1106
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, Lady Shum says, Master Shum left an unusual will.

1107
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: It says, quote, my dear wife, I have a wish left.

1108
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: Let out the message carrying pigeon, and in three days time, Shin,

1109
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: Quack and Lee will arrive. I have a letter to

1110
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: be read to them. Remember, read it in all three's presence. Remember,

1111
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: So these new characters are being introduced in Quak and Lee.

1112
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: Who are they? Well? Fong says that it's rumored that

1113
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: ten years ago a very knowledgeable hermit lived. Not only

1114
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: was he an excellent martial artist, he was also learned

1115
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: in the human sciences, and he had four students known

1116
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: as the Thunders. Now one of the students, one of

1117
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: the Thunders, was named You, and You is now dead,

1118
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: but the other three are Lee Schin, and Quak, and

1119
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: they are the three mentioned in the Will. So here

1120
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: we get a summary of the three Thunders courtesy of Fong.

1121
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: Fong says, first of all, Lee, Lee is best at

1122
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: small hand weapons. He is called the Thousand Hands. His

1123
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: attacks are totally unexpected. His expertise is second to none.

1124
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: Second we have Quawk. Quak is also known as magic Fire.

1125
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: He quote has the most killing power. And here we

1126
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: cut to a raven flying a scream and men lying

1127
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: scorched on the rocks. And apparently he wiped out a

1128
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: sect known as Fireball in one night. So there's some

1129
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: indication that Quak can like send a bird that somehow

1130
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: leaves men lying scorched on the earth. How does that work?

1131
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: Who knows. Finally, there's Shin, who is known as Flying Cloud.

1132
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: Nobody knows what he looks like, and he once went

1133
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: through the Forbidden Palace. They say, I don't know what

1134
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: that means. Do we eventually see Flying Cloud. I'm a

1135
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: little hazy on this. I you know, I'm confused. There

1136
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: may be something I missed. I totally admit that it

1137
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: may have gone past me, But I don't think Shin

1138
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: actually appears in the film. Okay, unless it's like the

1139
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: secret identity of another pre existing character and that's revealed

1140
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: at some point and I missed it. Okay, I'm not

1141
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: alone there, Okay, I don't think so.

1142
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 3: Okay. The other two we definitely see though, and they

1143
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 3: play important parts, especially Quark, who mentioned in the cast.

1144
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: But they're both really cool. So the Thunders are on

1145
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: their way, and Tinfoam warns his fighters not to confront

1146
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: the Thunders. This is a danger situation because on one hand,

1147
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: you've got Tinpholm's warriors. You know, they're fighting for power.

1148
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: But the Thunders are these other extremely dangerous martial heroes,

1149
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, these people from the martial world, and you

1150
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: put the put them all in the place together, They're

1151
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: they're going to fight. I think at some point Boston says,

1152
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: two Tigers can't exist at the same time.

1153
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 3: Now, not discounting other influences, of course, but I mean,

1154
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 3: one can't help but be reminded of John Carpenter's later

1155
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: film A Big Trouble in Little China, in which we

1156
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 3: have the four Storms, who are exceptional martial artists slash

1157
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 3: sorcerers who have all sorts of crazy weapons and abilities,

1158
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 3: and you know, here we have the three Thunders. So

1159
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 3: you know, I can't help but wonder if this had

1160
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: any influence on the ultimate form.

1161
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: Of that film. Well, I think I've read somewhere that

1162
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: the same directors other film, Zoo Warriors and the Magic Mountain,

1163
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: was a major influence. It's on a big trouble.

1164
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 3: All right, we'll have to come back to Zoo lawyers.

1165
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 3: It just sounds too entyson, but.

1166
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: The film goes a great length to express and it's

1167
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: good to hammer home here that this is a dangerous

1168
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: situation having Boss ten and the Thunders in the same place.

1169
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: Because these are rivals, they are likely to come into conflict. Now. Next,

1170
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: there's a scene where Fong, the scholar, questions Chi, the

1171
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: servant at the castle. He asks her about the lepidoptery

1172
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: room with all the butterfly specimens, and she confirms that

1173
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: it is Master Schum's room. And then Fong asks her

1174
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: why there are two cheese, because you know, remember he

1175
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: and Green Shadow both were with Chi in different places

1176
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,959
Speaker 1: at the same time. She acts frightened by this question

1177
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: and tries to run away, but she leads Fong to

1178
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: a different hidden room, a strange room that is revealed

1179
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: to be something like a cross between an arsenal and

1180
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: an alchemist's lab. It's full of these weird ancient scientific instruments,

1181
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: things that look like weapons, and containers of powders, and

1182
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: these like wooden planks with burn marks on them, almost

1183
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like explosives or incendiaries have been

1184
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: tested here. And so here Fong meets with Green Shadow.

1185
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: They explore the room and they discuss the the sort

1186
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: of a principle of like gunpowder I think being explored here.

1187
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: They discuss a sort of secret history of gunpowder weapons,

1188
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: including a legendary secret weapon known as the fire gun.

1189
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: So it's a question I think, like was the owner

1190
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: of this room trying to create a like secret gunpowder weapon.

1191
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 3: You know, it's again kind of interesting synchronicity here because

1192
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: for our Crossbow episodes that aired earlier this week, I

1193
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 3: was reading, you know a great deal and need them

1194
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 3: about about gunpowder innovations and gunpowder weaponry in ancient China,

1195
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 3: many of which used crossbow or crossbow related elements, And

1196
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 3: you know, none of what we see in this film

1197
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 3: here even really captures like the weird variety of gunpowder

1198
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 3: based weaponry that was developed in China over the centuries

1199
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Speaker 3: is pretty amazing stuff.

1200
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Speaker 1: Now, next we're going to meet some of the Thunders.

1201
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: They don't arrive at the castle conventionally because, like the

1202
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: White Flag Warriors are sort of outside awaiting the arrival

1203
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: of the Thunders. Instead, we see the Thunders meeting each

1204
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: other in secret, already underneath the castle. They're in the

1205
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: tunnels beneath the castle. It's a very cool creepy scene

1206
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: where Lee and Quak here appear in shadow, wearing hoods

1207
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: and cloaks at first, so their faces are hidden in darkness.

1208
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: At first. They're almost even a little suspicious of each other.

1209
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: They say, why did Master Schuman invite them to the

1210
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: castle early? They say, Shin used to be the first

1211
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: to come here. Why isn't he here yet? But then

1212
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: suddenly their little rendezvous is interrupted by discovering that Green

1213
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: Shadow is there. Green Shadows spying on them again, always

1214
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: one step ahead, and they like try to they try

1215
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: to like throw weapons at her and stuff, but she's

1216
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: too quick. They can't catch her. And so here eventually

1217
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: all of the characters meet one another. We get the

1218
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: full all cast introduction, and the Thunders kind of get

1219
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: up to speed on what has happened so far at

1220
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: the castle, but they're still a waiting for Shin the

1221
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: third Thunder to arrive so that the letter can be read,

1222
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: and more characters ask the same question that keeps coming

1223
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: up to kill her. Butterflies really exist? The Thunders discuss

1224
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: this in secret between each other. They're very wary of

1225
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: the others Lee and Quak. They say that anyone who

1226
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: is in our friend is our enemy, and these people

1227
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: don't seem to be friends.

1228
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of distrust here, but yeah, but it

1229
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 3: would also seem like, well, we finally have all of

1230
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 3: the characters in play that are going to be in play.

1231
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 3: He might well think this, but he would also seemingly

1232
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 3: be wrong, because they are more mysterious individuals who are

1233
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 3: going to show up and impact the plot.

1234
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: Right, But before the last really important character shows up,

1235
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: we'd get a few more sort of like scenes of

1236
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: Green Shadow and Fong, our two main investigators working out

1237
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: what's going on here. So they meet one night. First

1238
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: of all, it's funny because Pong's just like out for

1239
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: a walk and Green Shadow does wire stunts like just

1240
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: dropping in on him while nothing's going on. So they

1241
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: talk about killer butterflies. But then Fong and Green Shadow

1242
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,879
Speaker 1: sort of compare notes. They say, you know, the Thunders

1243
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: seemed to know the castle well and they were close

1244
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: with Master Shum. Why didn't he call them for help initially?

1245
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: Why did he call Boss ten instead of the Thunders?

1246
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 3: You know, coming back to where he said about Green Shadow,

1247
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 3: it really does feel like Green Shadow has not just

1248
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: walked down a hallway or just strolled from point A

1249
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 3: to point B in a very long time. It's always

1250
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 3: on wires.

1251
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I love it. She's living that wire life, you know.

1252
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: Also more plot updates. Remember those eight pages of Fong's

1253
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: memoirs from the paper Mill, Well, Tinfong shows them to

1254
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: Fong and Pong confirms, Yeah, the guy the paper Mill

1255
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: was right. I did not write this. This is not mine.

1256
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: Somebody is forging works in my name. Fong reasons from

1257
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: this because the pages of his memoirs are stories about

1258
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: killer butterfly attacks. He says, there must be someone trying

1259
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: to use my name to spread the rumor of killer butterflies.

1260
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: I wonder if that same person is controlling the butterflies.

1261
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 1: And then oh whoa. Things totally do a major shift

1262
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,799
Speaker 1: once again, we get our first slasher movie scene, basically

1263
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: Madame Schum in her chambers at night is attacked by

1264
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: this film's Jason Voorhees, the Armored Warrior. Rob What do

1265
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: you want to say about the armored Warrior?

1266
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 3: And the scene, Oh, the armored Warrior is just absolutely terrifying,

1267
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 3: just you know, black armor, seemingly just impossible to hurt.

1268
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 3: You can't name him or stop him. Just a strong

1269
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 3: proto slasher vibe here. And he eventually busts out. A

1270
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 3: lot of his action is just more like punches and

1271
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 3: grabs and throws and then like some sort of like

1272
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 3: more minor cloth type stuff. But he also has this

1273
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 3: other strange weapon that he'll he'll bust out that looks

1274
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 3: kind of like a cross between a lacrosse stick and

1275
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 3: a deep fryer basket, only you know, more deadly looking,

1276
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 3: and it seems to slash and shred when it comes

1277
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 3: into contact with human flesh.

1278
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: I was going to compare his weapon to the goat

1279
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: foot lever that we talked about in the Crossbow episode.

1280
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: It's like it's a claw hook weapon that's got like

1281
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: two toes on it. But yeah, this rough material almost

1282
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: like barbed wire strung between the two toes. Yeah.

1283
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 3: I looked around a little bit. I couldn't find anybody

1284
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 3: talking about this and comparing it to known weapons. So

1285
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if it actually has anything like a

1286
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 3: real world analog, if it has something it's supposed to

1287
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 3: be inspired by, something to do with butterflies. I don't know.

1288
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 3: I'm assuming for now that it's just, you know, purely

1289
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 3: a creation of fantasy. But it's very effective.

1290
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: But the scene is interesting because it starts as like

1291
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: it's like a slash or horror scene. This, you know,

1292
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: this monstrous war attacks Lady Shum in her chamber. She escapes,

1293
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: the fighters get there in time to defend her and

1294
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: chase this warrior off. But then there's like a series

1295
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: of awesome fight scenes. So it's like Tinfong versus the

1296
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: armored Warrior, and Tinfong is cool. We finally see him

1297
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: in action. He fights with this another strange weapon. It's

1298
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: like a very short baton. Do you know what this

1299
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: would be called?

1300
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 3: Rob I'm not sure now does this baton shoot things?

1301
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,759
Speaker 3: Or am I thinking this is just a straight up baton?

1302
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. There are some things that shoot things.

1303
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: I don't remember if his shoots things.

1304
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, things get very The fighting is again kind of

1305
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 3: mind melting, and there are a number of unique weapons

1306
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 3: being utilized. Pure fantasy action here.

1307
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: But then there's also Green Shadow versus Armored Warrior, and

1308
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: she uses wires in her fighting of him. But eventually

1309
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: the Armored Warrior escapes into the night. He gets away,

1310
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: so they don't get to catch him. They don't get

1311
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: to unmask him or know the identity of the killer.

1312
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: Now Madam Schum thinks she knows the identity of the killer.

1313
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: She thinks it must be the third Thunder who hasn't

1314
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: arrived yet, Shin, And she's like, maybe he wants to

1315
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: get to the letter or the will that Master Shum

1316
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: left before everybody else does. But hey, remember that thing

1317
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: about how Boss ten was saying, you know, two tigers

1318
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: can't exist. At the same time, we see some real

1319
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: conflict breaking out because the Red Flags and the White

1320
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: Flags end up fighting with the Thunders, and the Thunders

1321
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 1: just mess them up. There's like a scene where the

1322
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: Thunders attack the Red Flags in the forest and are

1323
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: just like chopping their arms off and stuff, and they

1324
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: fight with the White Flags. The White Flags are no

1325
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: match either.

1326
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Thunders are not to be messed with. You're

1327
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 3: gonna get shredded, you're gonna get blown up, you're gonna

1328
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 3: get caught on fire.

1329
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 1: But then later the two Thunders we see investigator. They're

1330
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: running around in the tunnels underneath the castle and this

1331
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: is Lee and Quak and they catch sight of the

1332
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: Armored Killer. They see him and they're like hey, and

1333
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: they chase after him in the dark, and this leads

1334
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: to the Butterfly room, the one with all the butterfly

1335
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: specimens mounted on screens, and another amazing fight scene. So

1336
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 1: there is an attack where the armored Warrior like tries

1337
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: to attack the Thunders by throwing I guess the poison

1338
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: butterflies at them and the thousand hand Thunder Lee he

1339
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: intercepts the butterflies with darts and it's this awesome, scary

1340
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: fight scene in tight corners. I thought this was a

1341
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: really good one. Again, the armored warrior, whose identity is hidden,

1342
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: he's using the strange claw hook weapon is very visceral

1343
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: and scary and up close and personal. And there's one

1344
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 1: moment where you think Lee has won because like the

1345
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: armored Warrior goes down, but then he suddenly pops back

1346
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: up and he is victorious. He kills Lee by like

1347
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: ramming his head into a clay pot.

1348
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 3: This is a great kill sequence, and it's one of

1349
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 3: these where like the way we describe it, like okay

1350
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,560
Speaker 3: puts them in a headlock, rams his head into a

1351
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 3: pot that it doesn't sound as impressed, but the way

1352
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 3: that it shot, it's very thrilling and feels like just

1353
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: very viscerally violent, even though it's not like super bloody

1354
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 3: or anything.

1355
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: Okay. Next we get some big reveals. Like we said,

1356
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: there are a lot of twists that come in this movie.

1357
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: So next we follow Chi in the underground tunnel by herself.

1358
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: Remember she's the servant who carries the lantern, and she

1359
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: wanders with her lantern and wearing a mask over the

1360
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: bottom of her face. What's she doing? Oh, suddenly we

1361
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: see her walking not just through the tunnels, but she's

1362
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: walking into a cavern like an opening in the tunnels

1363
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: where she's surrounded by butterflies, and yet she's not afraid

1364
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: of them. They don't seem to be harming her. She

1365
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: kneels beside an underground pool and then she puts something

1366
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: in the water and makes it foam and sizzle. And

1367
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: it produces these white fumes. The butterflies seem like affected

1368
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: by the fumes. Rob, what did you did? It seem

1369
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 1: almost kind of like the butterflies were like boiling up

1370
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: out of the water or something.

1371
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: I guess, Yeah, this was one of the moments where

1372
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 3: I'm kind of piecing it together. But I'm blaming the

1373
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 3: subtitles for my lack of a pure understanding of what

1374
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 3: we're dealing with here, because again, so many things in

1375
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 3: the film like just makes sense on a visual level.

1376
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 3: You don't need the subtitles to explain what's happening. But

1377
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 3: there's some sort of like magical potion based explanation here,

1378
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 3: and we're not getting.

1379
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: All of it. I mean, I think I'm following what's happening.

1380
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: I could be making mistakes, but essentially here Chi is

1381
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: caught Green Shadow and the scholar Fong appear they have

1382
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: been watching her, and they reveal they say, we know

1383
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: you're not Chi. You are Madam Schum disguised as Chi.

1384
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: That's why there were two cheese. There's the real Chi

1385
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: and then Madam Schum has a Chi costume that she

1386
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: puts on and she like hides part of her face

1387
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: to pretend to be her. They say that she has

1388
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: quote butterfly controlling medicine and that Lady Shum has discovered

1389
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 1: the art of controlling butterflies. Apparently, Fong talks about it

1390
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,600
Speaker 1: almost like the art of controlling butterflies is something that

1391
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: is known to have been known in the past, but

1392
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: was lost and now has been rediscovered.

1393
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, fair enough, Okay, it's all making sense now.

1394
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: So Green Shadow and Fong here are confronting her. They're like,

1395
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: now you're gonna tell us everything that's going on, because

1396
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: we know you're in on it. But they're interrupted by

1397
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: the armored warrior in the black armor, the mask, the weapon.

1398
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: He comes out and Madam Schum is killed, and the

1399
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: armored warrior escapes, and we see butterflies crawling over Lady

1400
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: Shum's dead body as if to mourn it. And then

1401
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: later the armored warrior comes back and caresses Lady Shum's

1402
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,759
Speaker 1: body as well. Here's the scene with the killer reveal.

1403
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: The killer is unmasked and it is Master Schum himself,

1404
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: the Master of the Castle. He's not dead after all,

1405
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: and he's confronted by Fong alone this time, who's put

1406
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: all the pieces together. He says that Master Schum is

1407
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: actually you. Remember when they were describing the thunder there

1408
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: are three thunders still living, but one of the thunders

1409
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: was already dead. Well, it turns out that that thunder

1410
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 1: was you, and he wasn't dead. It's Schum, the master

1411
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: of the castle. So this is a plan of the Thunders,

1412
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: many years in the making to create secret weapons here

1413
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: at the castle, to protect the secret of the weapons.

1414
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: And now you must be doing some new stage of

1415
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: the plan.

1416
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm buying all of that, but I still don't

1417
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 3: know why we invited people to the castle. I don't

1418
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 3: know why the secret will. I feel like there's a

1419
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 3: lot of stuff that I can't quite stitch together.

1420
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I think I understand it. So

1421
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: take me Master Schum and Madam Schum here. They used

1422
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: killer butterflies first of all, to get rid of all

1423
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: the spies in the castle, because there were spies here

1424
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: sent by the other thunders to keep track of you. Okay,

1425
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: so they drive all the spies out with butterflies that

1426
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: either killed them or made them flee. And then they

1427
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: keep using the butterflies and attack so all around to

1428
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: create a confusion. Then Schum created the false memoirs of

1429
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: Fongs to spread stories about the killer butterflies killed the

1430
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: paper mill owner when he saw through it. The whole

1431
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,919
Speaker 1: point of this was to get the other Marshal heroes

1432
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: to get Tin Fong and Green Shadow to the castle

1433
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: to make them fight with the thunders, because you wants to,

1434
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: I think, rule over everything. He wants to be in charge.

1435
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: So he wants all the other Marshal heroes to get

1436
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: together into a tight space, to be in the same

1437
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 1: place and have to fight each other, just like what

1438
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: happened and we heard in the backstory when all the

1439
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: Marshal heroes fought each other and wiped each other out. Okay,

1440
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: he wants to be the last one standing.

1441
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so everything is going is going according to plan here.

1442
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 3: It's about getting these all these great warriors together, having

1443
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 3: them destroy each other so that he can rule over

1444
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 3: everyone instead.

1445
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's right, all right, I could again.

1446
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 3: I feel like I would have been on top of

1447
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 3: it had the sub titles binge is a little tighter, ye,

1448
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 3: But I'm there now.

1449
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a complicated plot, but I think

1450
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: it's a good twist, and so Schum basically admits, yep, Fong,

1451
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 1: you figured it out. But men who know too much

1452
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 1: cannot live. So he reveals his claw weapon and he's

1453
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: gonna kill Fong. There's like a chase, and then all

1454
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: kinds of different fighting happens. Schum ends up killing Chi,

1455
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,799
Speaker 1: the actual servant. Chum then fights Green Shadow. Fong watches

1456
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 1: as Shum fights Green Shadow. He's helpless, he's not a fighter,

1457
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: he can't intervene, and then Tin Fong shows up and

1458
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: he gets involved in the fight again. It's like trading

1459
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: off between the different heroes fighting the Armored Warrior. But

1460
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: Schum once again escapes into a tunnel.

1461
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 3: I have to and I have to drive home here

1462
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 3: that you know, I'm not like a Hong Kong action

1463
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 3: completist or anything. There are a number of like very

1464
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 3: prestigious Hong Kong action films that I haven't seen, so

1465
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 3: I can't like speak universally in all of this. But

1466
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 3: all of this action is just blistering. It's just very

1467
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 3: like technically proficient, you know, well shot inventive. It's just

1468
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 3: you never know what's going to happen next. And so

1469
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 3: even though you get just multiple fights and different pair ups,

1470
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 3: everything is just captivating.

1471
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: And I really love that the different heroes have their

1472
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: different like fighting styles, so when they trade off fighting

1473
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 1: the villain. There there's a lot of variety in the

1474
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: fight scenes. It's not just like a samey kind of

1475
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: fighting over and over. You get Green Shadow with her

1476
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: like wire stuff, you get Boss ten with this little baton,

1477
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: you get of course, the you know, the Armored Warrior

1478
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 1: with his scary visceral kind of fighting with the claw weapon,

1479
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: and then of course you get the Thunders. So after

1480
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: showm escapes, Fong says, this is the terrible situation. This

1481
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: is going to turn into an all out war between

1482
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 1: Tin Fung and the remaining Thunders. So Fong leaves the

1483
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: castle at dawn to avoid the battle, and then we

1484
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: see the final battle going on. Again. Two tigers can't

1485
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: exist at the same time. So we've got ten Verse

1486
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: says the magic Fire Thunder, he's the one left alive.

1487
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: The Armored Warrior returns and it's a three way fight.

1488
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: They're sort of like all trying to kill each other.

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Speaker 1: They end up there's like an explosion. I think it's

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Speaker 1: when the statue, the demonic statue explodes. They fighters fall

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Speaker 1: through the floor into the catacombs below, magic Fire is

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Speaker 1: pinned by a falling pillar. Then you and magic Fire

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Speaker 1: have this like conversation. You says, you know I was

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Speaker 1: left here to protect the secret gun. Why did you

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Speaker 1: other thundersind spies to report on me? And you know,

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Speaker 1: they're like hashing out their grievances, and you is giving

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Speaker 1: a speech as the victorious villain. But meanwhile Boss Tin

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Speaker 1: sneaks up on you and as he does a maniacal laugh,

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Speaker 1: Boston springs from cover and there's another fight again. There's

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Speaker 1: some ground grappling, there's some sliding along on wires, and

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Speaker 1: then finally the villain is defeated when Tin like slams

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Speaker 1: his head into to a rock face while while running

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Speaker 1: down a done the length of a wire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of like a hyper accelerated zip line death

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Speaker 3: sequence that if I when I explain it like that,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't really sound like like you probably can't picture it,

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Speaker 3: but within the context of this ridiculously elaborate three way

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Speaker 3: fight scene, it's highly effective.

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Speaker 1: Oh but it's not over because Magic Fire is still

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Speaker 1: alive even though he's like trapped under a pillar. He

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Speaker 1: sends his killer bird after ten and you don't know

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Speaker 1: what the bird's gonna do. It's just like a bird

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Speaker 1: flying around chasing Boss ten. What's going to happen? Well,

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Speaker 1: you think Green Shadow comes to the rescue. She's here

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Speaker 1: to save ten. She flies through on a wire, She's

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Speaker 1: going to save the day. But then, oh, the most

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Speaker 1: devastating ending do you want to explain, rob.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, yeah, I mean, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: say that the stunningly nihilistic ending came out of nowhere

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Speaker 3: because issues with subtitles aside, it does seem like we

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01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 3: were ratcheting up to it. Like there's this sequence when

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Speaker 3: the sky there's leaving where Hang and Fung have this

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Speaker 3: last little conversation and Fung is like, I hope you win,

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Speaker 3: and it feels you know, very stark and and and

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Speaker 3: in dark, and we end up like flashing back to

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Speaker 3: that here in a bit. But yeah, so Green Shadow

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Speaker 3: like zips into the scene with her you know, general optimism. Uh,

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Speaker 3: and she goes and like catches the bird in mid air,

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Speaker 3: and the bird explodes like a hand grenade, just blowing

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Speaker 3: Green Shadow up. Like there's no way she survives this,

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Speaker 3: like just killed instantly, and and you know, Fung is

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Speaker 3: like like no, and then it comes flying right at

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Speaker 3: Fung's face and explodes in his face freeze frame, and

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Speaker 3: that's pretty much the end. And I was like, wow,

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Speaker 3: like that was just jaw dropping, because again with this

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Speaker 3: feels like a major Wusha subversion here, like this is

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Speaker 3: not our heroes conquering evil or it's not a you know,

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Speaker 3: the sort of tropes that you would expect to encounter

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Speaker 3: in a film like this. No, this is like all

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Speaker 3: of our heroes are dead except for the scholar who

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Speaker 3: only survived because he left ahead of the cataclysmic final battle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there is a symmetry like it talked about

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Speaker 1: in the backstory with the narration at the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: The movie seems to end with all of the martial

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Speaker 1: heroes have killed each other. They're all gone now, and

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Speaker 1: the only one left is the chronicler to tell the story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean it really really packs a punch. Again,

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Speaker 3: just a fitting way to cap all of this just

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01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 3: you know, essentially like high tech fantasy martial arts that's

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Speaker 3: happening here and just have this just again just very

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Speaker 3: nihilistic ending where everybody dies. But again, like I say,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't it. They were clearly building up to this

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01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 3: in many ways, so it doesn't feel forced in any

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Speaker 3: fashion either.

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Speaker 1: So in the end, I'd give a big thumbs up

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Speaker 1: to the Butterfly Murders. It is not only it's Bonker's

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01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: premise of killer Butterflies. It is that, but it is

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01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: so much else. It just gives you so much to

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01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: work with and it keeps you guessing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, so, yeah, highly recommend this one. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I hope it gets a better release at some point

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Speaker 3: in the future. It would be great. But on the

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Speaker 3: other hand, I didn't see any indication that that's coming,

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Speaker 3: So I would say, don't you know, don't waste time.

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Speaker 3: If this interests you, go watch it in whatever format

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Speaker 3: you can find it in, because it's it's worth the journey.

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Speaker 3: All Right, Well, that's it for this episode of Weird

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Speaker 3: House Cinema. We're going to go ahead and close out,

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Speaker 3: but a reminder that we're primarily a science podcast with

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Speaker 3: core episodes on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but on Fridays we

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Speaker 3: set aside most serious concerns to just talk about a

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Speaker 3: weird film here on the Weird House Cinema. If you

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Speaker 3: want to see a list of all the movies we've

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Speaker 3: Our user name is weird House, and we have a

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Speaker 3: list of all the movies and sometimes a peek ahead

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Speaker 3: at what's to come. If you would like to follow

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Speaker 3: little video kind of like teaser of the film, so

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Speaker 3: of the trailer in addition to the trailer audio that

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Speaker 3: you'll hear in the actual episode.

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