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Speaker 1: Not only will this year's Super Bowl feature two black

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks for the first time in NFL history, which is

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal phenomenal feat both Mahomes versus Hurts, that matchup

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Speaker 1: will also combine to form the youngest quarterback duo to

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Speaker 1: ever face off in the Super Bowl. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: it for years of like age, how long are you

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Speaker 1: going to keep hiring these old dogs trying to make

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Speaker 1: them do new tricks? Go get a new dog that

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Speaker 1: Happy Black History Month and welcome to episode number two

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Speaker 1: hundred of the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. My name is Gabe Henderson,

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Speaker 1: and we got a big group inside TCO Radio studio

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Speaker 1: here with me and Egan. We got Vikings dot Com

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Speaker 1: statum Everett Jay Nelson is now on the turntables replacing

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Speaker 1: Eric Davis, and now my guy, Ron Johnson from Vikings

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Speaker 1: Game Day Live in Fox and nine. It's here and

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Speaker 1: it is officially Pro Bowl week. The Vikings have seven

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowlers making the trip out west to Las Vegas

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Speaker 1: to participate in the reimagined twenty twenty three Pro Bowl games.

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Speaker 1: And before we get there, this past week for football

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Speaker 1: fans has been quite exciting, to say the least with

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start off with this ryn AFC NFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game. Going into that game, in my opinion, it's

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Speaker 1: week's games, I would probably sum it up using your

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Speaker 1: first and last tweets from Sunday. Your first tweet said

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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers have the worst luck ever. That

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Speaker 1: was your first tweet on Sunday talking about the Eagles

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Speaker 1: versus forty nine Ers game. And then your last tweet

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Speaker 1: on Sunday was hashtag cancoon on please describe? I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you think about the forty nine Ers, that offense

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Speaker 1: I'm like, how do they continue to get these guys

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Speaker 1: t J. Hockinson, and then Kirk Cousins is better than

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Speaker 1: brock Purty. So why can't you get that all the time? Well,

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Speaker 1: you have to watch how they do it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you look at Trent Williams. He's not Christian Dearrisaw, but

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Speaker 1: One quarterback get hurt, another quarterback gets hurt. Now brock Purty,

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Speaker 1: mister irrelevant, comes in, takes the world by storm. Everybody

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Speaker 1: like the first drive a sign ready, great play, football

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Speaker 1: like you know, baseball elbow things that he's out six

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Speaker 1: it's like the double duty of like who who do

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Speaker 1: And it was like the lesser of two evils, like

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Speaker 1: I'll take the Mahomes is because the daddy is an

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Speaker 1: can't you just mute them? The Mahomes. Yeah, I do,

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Speaker 1: I do. I don't follow either of them. I do

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Speaker 1: follow Patrick Mahomes because I like them. Uh, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to unfollow because it's like other people posted and hate,

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Speaker 1: like bar Stood. Barstood posted this his TikTok and said,

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Speaker 1: can the chiefs Joe Burrow? Like it's something like only

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Speaker 1: one man could protect America from Jackson Mahomes in Brittany,

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Speaker 1: and it's Joe Burrow. There's a video of Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: then you just watch the TikTok. It's like, dude, come down,

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Speaker 1: like you haven't won anything. You didn't do anything. Your brother,

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Speaker 1: like he went to a waffle house and lost his mind.

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Speaker 1: you know, and try to pass to post a bad review.

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Speaker 1: And you know, a long story short, it was his fault.

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Speaker 1: He threw champagne on fans, like what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Like you didn't do anything, like calm down, Like if

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Speaker 1: I'm Patrick Mahomes, I'm literally on my brother, Like, bro,

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Speaker 1: they post a lot of photos of him. I feel

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Speaker 1: like without his permission. Not that I know Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: but I definitely doesn't have things all over the social media.

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Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Brother? There's an idiot and TikTok

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Speaker 1: I got you? Like, Oh, it's come. He's gonna do

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Speaker 1: trying not to look. But Barstools is going to post.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem. Barstools will always post the Jackson Home stuff,

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Speaker 1: feeding the dragon, like you're feeding the fire ron. Welcome

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Speaker 1: for thirteen weeks, I was like I was a Payantician

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Speaker 1: because the Vikings for winning games. So it was you know,

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Speaker 1: I'd argue it's because their defense consistently puts them in

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Speaker 1: that Niners offense. True, you're you're a hundred percent right

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Speaker 1: Vikings defense wasn't always like the forty You're right now,

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Speaker 1: the Vikings defense. I call it the square peg round

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Speaker 1: hole phenomenon. When you take a square peg and try

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Speaker 1: to stick into a round hole it it's gonna work

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Speaker 1: doing that, eventually a squam peg can go you'll either

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Speaker 1: wear down the sides enough. Um good. This is not

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Speaker 1: on video because that's a terrible motion to make. But

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Speaker 1: but it's too late. It's too late. But eventually the

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Speaker 1: how old I am. But when you look at Patton

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Speaker 1: and I asked in this on the sideline before a game,

426
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, can you still do the stuff?

427
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Speaker 1: Like do you still have that capacity with this team,

428
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Speaker 1: because I was like this team to do some of

429
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Speaker 1: the stuff you did with the Ravens. When you think

430
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Speaker 1: about Rex when he used Bart, Scott, Ed Reid, ray

431
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Speaker 1: Lewis sugs Ed heartwell, he would put all those guys

432
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Speaker 1: on the field at the same time, like four linebackers

433
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Speaker 1: and two d lineman and he's like, oh yeah, man,

434
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Speaker 1: Like you look at Brian Asamoa, and you look at

435
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Speaker 1: like some of the speed backers we have. You look

436
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Speaker 1: at Cam Danzler at the time, or Cam Buying I'm sorry,

437
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,800
Speaker 1: at the time. It was Lewis scene could have come

438
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Speaker 1: in as well and been one of those chaos you

439
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,000
Speaker 1: call it the chaos guys. Yeah, a chaos guy. And

440
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,280
Speaker 1: so the Ravens called it control chaos, and it was

441
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,600
Speaker 1: it looked chaotic, but it was it was something to it.

442
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,480
Speaker 1: And you watch Ed Reid up in the gap and

443
00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,159
Speaker 1: Harry Si Smifican do this and then you take off

444
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,119
Speaker 1: running to the other hash or you you fake like

445
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,760
Speaker 1: you're here, you fake like you're gonna go, and you

446
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Speaker 1: come back and blit from a different side, like and

447
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Speaker 1: Ed Reid and Peyton Manning. I mean, I don't know

448
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Speaker 1: if he might have seen it on They had a

449
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Speaker 1: little sit down and he talked about that, like he's like, man,

450
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Speaker 1: I know, if I run this way, Peyton, you're gonna

451
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Speaker 1: think you have it and you're gonna throw it. And

452
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Speaker 1: Payton's like, yeah, and I know if I send this

453
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Speaker 1: receiver up the seam and I send this receiver on

454
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Speaker 1: this hitch and go, you're gonna jump the seam. But

455
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 1: then you fake jumped the seam and then you took

456
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Speaker 1: off after Reggie and you didn't even see the ball.

457
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, because I knew you were gonna

458
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Speaker 1: throw it. And that's that's what Rex Ryan had built.

459
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 1: He built it so that look, if you know this,

460
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Speaker 1: just do this. Let's get these guys to do what

461
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Speaker 1: you think they're gonna do in hot routes, and they

462
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Speaker 1: have the personnel like you have a smart corner in

463
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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson. I mean, we don't know what's gonna happen there,

464
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Speaker 1: but Cam Dancer I think can do it. We saw

465
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Speaker 1: Caleb Evans can definitely do it. Duke Shelley shown that

466
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Speaker 1: he can get going. Um So I like Mike Pennon

467
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Speaker 1: because you look at all the defense of the Jets

468
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Speaker 1: with Bart Scott and how good they were. You look

469
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Speaker 1: at the Packers, they were good, and all those teams

470
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Speaker 1: ran variations of three four four three. So he can

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Speaker 1: flip it. Like I said, Terrell Suggs came in as

472
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Speaker 1: a three four backer. They moved to a four to

473
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Speaker 1: three with them. So he has the tools to do it.

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Speaker 1: And so that's gonna be the question is, uh, does

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Speaker 1: he want it? You know, even though you interview for

476
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Speaker 1: a job, sometimes you get in there and you're like, h,

477
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Speaker 1: I don't really like Colt, Like, I don't have any

478
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Speaker 1: pressure I get paid. I'm sitting up in the booth,

479
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Speaker 1: like I'm at practice, I'm around football, Like who wouldn't

480
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Speaker 1: want to take a couple hundred thousand dollars to kind

481
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Speaker 1: of chill out and you know, not have the pressure

482
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Speaker 1: of a defensive coordinator even though coordinators make you know,

483
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Speaker 1: for a million dollars, but it's a lot of pressure

484
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Speaker 1: with that money. So and you can get fired if

485
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Speaker 1: you suck and then be gone. So maybe maybe, I mean,

486
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Speaker 1: you see him in the caffeterier. We all seeing when

487
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Speaker 1: the cafeteria A lot in these you know, smiling, good mood,

488
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Speaker 1: good energy, and I guess that's the lack of stress

489
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Speaker 1: of not being a coordinator. So yeah, there there is

490
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Speaker 1: some some challenges with you know, having that pressure of

491
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Speaker 1: that role. But there will be a lot of challenges

492
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Speaker 1: this week in Las Vegas with the Pro Bowl Games,

493
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Speaker 1: the new reimagined Pro Bowl Games. There's eleven different challenges

494
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Speaker 1: this year around. I'm not gonna name them all, but

495
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 1: longest drive passing, a precision passing, there's a golfing, and

496
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Speaker 1: then the Pro Bowl this year. But before we talk

497
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Speaker 1: about the obvious news on the AFC side, the NFC, like,

498
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Speaker 1: how do you feel about our seven players that have

499
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Speaker 1: been selected to playing the Pro Bowl Games this year? Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean I haven't even looked at all the names.

501
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say is her cousins Justin Jefferson,

502
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: Zadarius Smith, TJ Hodginson, Andrew Depaula, Dalvin Cook who replaced

503
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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, and then Danil Hunter who was just recently

504
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Speaker 1: added replacing Hassan Reddick who's playing in the Super Bowl.

505
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Speaker 1: So all legit Pro Bowlers all deserve it, all legit.

506
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Speaker 1: The one thing that I think is is gonna be

507
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Speaker 1: a hot topic. People are going to break up. There's

508
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Speaker 1: a quarterback that got put into the Pro Bowl that

509
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 1: threw two touchdowns and three interceptions, and so how do

510
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: you throw two touchdowns total and three interceptions and you're

511
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Speaker 1: considered a Pro bowler. I think that's what's gonna start

512
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: to screw this thing up because I think I'm fine

513
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: with like the top guys getting it. And then because

514
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Speaker 1: it's not like actual a thing, like you're not playing

515
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: a game, so you don't need another quarterback per se,

516
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Speaker 1: Like if if a quarterback drops out, just have another

517
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Speaker 1: list of guy, Like, just have the next guy who

518
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Speaker 1: should be in it, whether it it's um DeAndre Hopkins

519
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: or who, like, get another name. Don't just say Tyler Huntley.

520
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Speaker 1: I mean nothing against Tyler Huntley, but you threw two touchdowns?

521
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Speaker 1: Why are you? How are you a pro? Because now

522
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: he'll be able to use like he might have a

523
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: clause in his contract they said if you make the

524
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, you get one hundred fifty thousand dollars this year,

525
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Speaker 1: which I'm pretty sure is a backup. He probably did

526
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Speaker 1: and they probably said, oh sure, thought a million dollars

527
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Speaker 1: at that, You're not gonna make the Pro Bowl and

528
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: then now the owners would raiders are like what the what,

529
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: like we gotta pay this duffer Like no, like you

530
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 1: gotta get voted in. Actually you can't be a replacement

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Speaker 1: to a placement to a replacement, like I think that's

532
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: where it changes. But no, I think all those guys

533
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: are very deserving of it. Um. I think it's gonna

534
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: be fun. I think the Clinton Portis had him on

535
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: my show and he bought up the injuries in football.

536
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Speaker 1: I think going this route it is cool to watch

537
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: on TV. Like Dion Sanders talked about these have a

538
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: dunk contest back in his day, so like all that

539
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: stuff is cool, Like bring a dunk contest back, bring

540
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: a three ball, three thy basketball, get dangerous with those guys,

541
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Speaker 1: but bring it like a three point contest into it,

542
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Speaker 1: you know, like like a past you know, skills basketball

543
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: challenge like that, like do some stuff there on TV.

544
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, man, okay, I didn't know this dude

545
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: can shoot like that, you know, and then all like

546
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: this dude sucks, never pick up a basketball again. But

547
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Speaker 1: I think I think the game itself was getting so

548
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: watered down it was actually boring. And now I'll tune in. Yeah,

549
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: I'll tune in for a flag football game, you know,

550
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: just because and and don't tear your hamstrings up trying

551
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: to you know, hit your four three. But I think

552
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: you know, flag football, dodgeball, golf, it's about longevity. You

553
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: don't want to see a guy like Sean Taylor decapitate

554
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: a punter in the Pro Bowl. That was my guy. Um,

555
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, like the Sean Taylor's my guy because I

556
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: was just like I said, I was talking to UH

557
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: when Clinton came in to Shaw. I talked about like

558
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: being I was with the h the Commanders back then,

559
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: the Washington football team. I was only there for a

560
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: couple of months, you know, in practice squad or not,

561
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: but a preseason and so on and so forth, and

562
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: we talked about that. We talked about like Sean Taylor

563
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: and how big he was, like he was my size

564
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: playing safety, like sixty three two twenty pounds. You don't

565
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: see that anymore and can run like a deer. And

566
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: so you got that guy hitting a punter like that

567
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: punter's right, like dude, like it's the Pro Bowl, right,

568
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: Like why did you hit me like this? And so

569
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Speaker 1: I think the overall NFL, though, like guys weren't playing anymore.

570
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: Guys were just being friends out there. You know, Receivers

571
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: couldn't get hit anymore. Make it fun, like make it

572
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: TV friendly, you know, I think it's gonna be great,

573
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: like the Long Drive too, Like I'm guessing to be

574
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: good golfers, but maybe a bad golfer gets in it.

575
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: That's funny, Like it's a good TV park on it. Yeah,

576
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: go if you hit a fan with a golf ball,

577
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully the fan doesn't get hurt, but yeah,

578
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: I hit a fan with a golf ball, Like, yeah,

579
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be fun to me. I look at

580
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: it as you know, they tried doing that a little

581
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: bit when they had the rookie game playing on the

582
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Speaker 1: beach and the guy tears his ACL you know, for

583
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Speaker 1: a while they've been trying to go through and figure

584
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Speaker 1: out what can we do to have these things be

585
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: fun and people are still getting hurt. But but to me,

586
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: like it's almost like ABC Wide World of Sports for

587
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: us that are old enough to remember that, where they're

588
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: just like random athletes on a Saturday on ABC running

589
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: a steeple chase type thing and doing whatever. Even the

590
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: other day they showed you know. Ironically now Tom Brady

591
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Speaker 1: throwing there was like the moving targets and things like that.

592
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Speaker 1: That's the stuff that I think people, especially social media age,

593
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff is perfect for social media. So

594
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: things like the kick dec do and the dodgeball and

595
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, those are the pieces I think

596
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Speaker 1: that I'll end up being great social media just for

597
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff Kirk practices. Because last time he

598
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Speaker 1: did the throwing thing, social media a lit them up.

599
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: Because those first three throws weren't even close to targets.

600
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, of course, you know, but yeah, I think

601
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be fun. They got to be

602
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: fun for those guys. Got his neighbor out there in

603
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: a four wheeler just driving at Target. His neighbor would would,

604
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: oh yeah, his neighbor's already shoveled. His neighbors are on

605
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Now that's awesome. And just just seeing that the Pro

606
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Speaker 1: Bowl games will be flag football, I think that raises

607
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: a question for me, and I asked Pa this question

608
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: earlier this year. I think Taydor was on the show.

609
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: It was our live podcast of the Minnesota Vikings podcast

610
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Hill earlier this year when it was announced

611
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Speaker 1: that it would be flag football. He said, well, since

612
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Speaker 1: his flag football, why not put the Pro Bowl at

613
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Speaker 1: the middle of the year like the NBA does. True,

614
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: Is that a valid point or no? No, because you

615
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: need the whole season. NBA can do it because they

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Speaker 1: have forty games to go off of, like forty fifth

617
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Speaker 1: they've already played fifty. Yeah, and so they they already

618
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Speaker 1: have they haven't had the NBA's usually Valentine to Day weekend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So and then they'll be they'll be like sixty games

620
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: in and then they'll do the All Star Game, and

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Speaker 1: then they'll have twenty two more games. So it's a

622
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: little bit different in NFL, Like eight games I don't

623
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: think is enough to decide who is the deal. I

624
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: think before the Super Bowl was fine. I think like,

625
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: if you're not going to do it, you might as

626
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: well do it after the Super Bowl. To me, the

627
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl side of it before was you had people

628
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: that would go to the Super Bowl and be like, ah,

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Speaker 1: I still I want to go to the Pro Bowl.

630
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: I just played last week. So they're like, well, if

631
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: those guys aren't going to be part of this roster,

632
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: then we're just going to turn around and do it

633
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: during this bye week essentially to get everyone healthy. And

634
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: for me, the Pro Bowl is weird. I listen to

635
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: the argument a little bit of saying, treat it almost

636
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Speaker 1: like just name everybody as an All Pro and then

637
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: whoever you want to have participate in these like specific events,

638
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: just invite them and give them a bonus of you know,

639
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: getting there, getting disposure. I'm sure there'd be some sort

640
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: of financial compensation, but yeah, usually it was winners got

641
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: thirty grand or winners got sixty, yeah, fifty, and losers

642
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: got thirty or twenty somewhere in there. And so for me,

643
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: I just look at us, name your roster of who

644
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: are the Pro Bowl players, like you're in All Pro,

645
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: and then for everybody else, you can either have those

646
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: people come in if they don't want to do it,

647
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: add a couple extra people like you know, we do

648
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: anyways to participate in these different pieces. And if they

649
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: want a free weekend in Las Vegas at a hotel

650
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: and bring the family and do your thing, you know

651
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: that that would be a solution in order for it

652
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: to not feel like it's just like well and you're

653
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: added and you're added as this stuff goes along. Because

654
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the quarterbacks are playing hot potato

655
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: in the AFC. It's just like you know, you you

656
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: take it, you take it. Like Derek Carr. Derek carrs

657
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: are pro bowler this year. The first version that came,

658
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: first question that came in mind for me is like,

659
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: is he representing the Raiders? Like I thought he wasn't

660
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: on the team anymore. Like that is bafling to me.

661
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: The crazy part on that is just the drama of it,

662
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: Derek Carr having to go back to Las Vegas to

663
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: play for this kind of stuff. And even he made

664
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: a comment social media wise of like gets I'm back.

665
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: He just wears fresnol jersey, right, Fresno State Bulldog, Like, yeah,

666
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a Raiders quarterback. Well, I'm gonna end it

667
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: with this the Super Bowl this year, Philadelphia Eagles versus

668
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. Not only will this year's Super

669
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: Bowl feature two black quarterbacks for the first time in

670
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: NFL history, which is a phenomenal, phenomenal feat, but Mahomes

671
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: versus Hurts that matchup will also combine to form the

672
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: youngest quarterback duo to ever face off in the Super Bowl.

673
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: Reading that as an African American, I'm proud to see that.

674
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: I saw Doug Williams talking. I think it was a

675
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: good Morning America just talking about that feat. But I

676
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: also feel like the NFL is continuing to get younger

677
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: and younger and younger each year, and I think that's

678
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: exciting to see. But as a Vikings fan is the

679
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: question that comes up is like, Okay, what are we missing? Yeah? Defensively, yeah,

680
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: you're going to bring in a new defensive coordinator. You're

681
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: gonna have other things that you know, kind of shake

682
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: out this offseason free agency wise and draft wise. But

683
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: what else are we missing? So? I mean, honestly, I

684
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: think it's defense. I think it's one defense and an

685
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: offensive like interior offensive lineman. When you look at the

686
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: first round, you got John Michael Schmidt out of Minnesota.

687
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think he will be a top

688
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: twenty pick. So he could be there for the Vikings.

689
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: That's I mean, he's he's a Minnesota kid, he's played.

690
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the best interior lineman in college football

691
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: in my opinion, as far as the other voters said

692
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: as well. But when you look at grade wise, he's

693
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: the top of everybody's board. So who knows how early

694
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: somebody wants an interior lineman, but I think that could

695
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: be a need if you if you think garb Bradberry's

696
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: not your guy, or you think Garret Bradberry can play guard,

697
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: you can get John Michael Schmidt at center, who can

698
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 1: play center and guard. He's done both. And so now

699
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: you bring in a kid who's done both, has the size,

700
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: can move, ran the zone run scheme with one of

701
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: the best college running backs in college football, and Moibrahm,

702
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: and so I think that's where you start. I think

703
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: your tackles are fine. I think as we're Cleveland is fine.

704
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: I think you need to find one of those pieces

705
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: to that puzzle in there in that middle and um

706
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: and and that could be a good look for you.

707
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: And then offensively, I think they're good. It's just finding

708
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: maybe you know, depending on contract wise, Adam Theelands, so

709
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: on and so forth, or Dalvin Cook. You know, you

710
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: just gotta figure out which direction you're gonna go. If

711
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna if you're gonna Tom Brady this thing and

712
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: be the lowest run total team in the NFL, then

713
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: just do it. Uh, don't have a fifty million dollars

714
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: running back. But if you're like, hey, we're gonna run

715
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: the ball like the forty nine ers, We're still gonna

716
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: throw the Deebo Samuel like you know and though and

717
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: George Kittle, then do that like have Derek or Derek Carr,

718
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: have Dalvin Cook, Justin Jefferson and TJ. Hopkinson, you know,

719
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: have that three headed monster. But then again that leads

720
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: Adam thieland as oh Man out kJ Osbourne. You probably

721
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: continue him and all from a sheet to just keep

722
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: him for another year or two and decide there. But

723
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: can you get running you know, can you get Christian

724
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: McCaffrey somewhat numbers out Alexander Madison. That's the other question.

725
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: So I'd say I don't think anything's missing. I just

726
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: think it's it's figuring that out now. Cornerback of course, depth,

727
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: the cornerback depth would have been there. If you look

728
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: at all the injuries to the DBS this year, Cam Danceler,

729
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: Caleb Evans, you know, it was it was to the

730
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: point where we were like, man, Caleb Evans. That's a

731
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: great because I remember when we did the draft show

732
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: this year, I said that I was like that's a

733
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: great acquisition for death. He's six four. He reminds me

734
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: of a long, tall guy that can you know. He

735
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: he gets beat, he has the arms to knock it down.

736
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh yeah, maybe he'll come and compete. Then

737
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: he has to start, and then he gets hurt and

738
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, I bringing Caleb Evan's back, where's you know?

739
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: So that's where he got to the point where cam

740
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: Danzer was hurt, Caleb Evans was hurt. Duke Shelley became

741
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: a guy where all like who's dude? Like literally, people

742
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: on the status She's like, who is dude? Shell? Like

743
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: where is he at? And so I think that's what's missing.

744
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: And then back to your point about quarterback though, the

745
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: two black quarterback conversation has been a thing. I mean,

746
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: I remember when I've played Black quarterbacks were not considered

747
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: like high value. It was always like, oh, well there

748
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: is dono McNabb, there's Michael Vick. But then he had

749
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: the dog fighting and oh there's Don McNabb, but he's

750
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: out of shape and he wants to party, and you know,

751
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: it was always something you know, it was never just

752
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: he's a good quarterback. It was always like, oh, well,

753
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: you know, is he immature? Is he this like if

754
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna give him all this money. But you know,

755
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: even Kyler Murray, you know, like white what white quarterback

756
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't play video games? But then you don't put

757
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: a clause in their quarter in there unless he's just reding.

758
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe he's ridiculous with the games. But

759
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: like there's other quarterbacks that play games and game, but

760
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: you don't put that in their contract to say, hey man,

761
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: you gotta put the game down and study at least

762
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: whatever time, like what like, don't give me the money.

763
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: Then if you really think that I'm spending more time

764
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: gaming and maybe he is, uh than studying, then don't

765
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: put it. But that's that's the stigma that black quarterbacks

766
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: always got. They're not good enough, they're not smart enough.

767
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: Warren Moon, you know, had to go to Canada. Tony

768
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: Dungee became a dB um. A lot of those guys

769
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: you look back. I mean, you put Tony Dungee into

770
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: day's NFL. With the way he ran, he would be

771
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback, you know, like he would truly be

772
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: looked at. He was at the University of Minnesota. Really

773
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: good quarterback in Minnesota, run in pass athlete, clearly because

774
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: he played safety in the NFL. Like you're not you're

775
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: not a good You're not good if you can't just

776
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: move and say, okay, I'm gonna be NFL safety now

777
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: from quarterback. So he had that uh T Martin you know, Tennessee,

778
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: same thing. Like I don't really know if he had,

779
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that's that's the that's the question mark.

780
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: They always they never got a chance to be backup,

781
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: like JaMarcus Russell never got a chance to ever be

782
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: a backup. It was just like, well, you're either our

783
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: starter or your bust. You know where you look at

784
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: guys like Chase Daniel. Yeah, now that was a bad one.

785
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: Uh he has a holy different life. But you know,

786
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: you look at Chase Daniel, he continues to just be

787
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: back up after backup after backup because he's a good

788
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: locker room guy. He's a good study guy. Jim Sorgie

789
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: played behind pay Manny for years, never played though, but hey,

790
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: he's a good locker room guy. A lot of black

791
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: quarterbacks don't get that. They don't consider them good smart

792
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: locker room guys. They just always and so now a

793
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: guy like Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, they're starting to show

794
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: people like, hey, look give me the keys to the castle,

795
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, Justin fieldspurg Yeah, And that's the thing that's

796
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: that's guys like that are going so, you know, for

797
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: for for it to just finally be in the first

798
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: ever like one, you gotta win. So it's not like

799
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: something you could hand black guys like okay, here, let's

800
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl with you. But the fact

801
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: that more teams aren't giving some of these quarterbacks chances

802
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: because when it's like between these two, let's go with

803
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: this guy and see what happens. And so you know,

804
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: I do know like Jalen Hurts is literally putting the

805
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: world on notice. Like every coach now is like, oh

806
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Like can I can I get an

807
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: RPO quarterback? You know? CJ. Stroud remember c J. Strout.

808
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, I don't know, Like Justin Fields, I don't know.

809
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: And now Jalen Hurts the Bears are like, oh wait,

810
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: we cant to do yeah, And I guarantee the Bears

811
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: will look like the Eagles next year, not defensively, probably

812
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: not the differences they don't have the offensive line that

813
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: Phillies correct, and that's gonna be That's what I'm saying.

814
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: Like when they're when they're looking at with their high

815
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: value offseason from Mattie even Flus and he kind of

816
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: he kind of alluded to it because they were saying

817
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: like are you gonna draft CJ. Strout or are you

818
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: gonna stick with Justin Fields? And he I think I

819
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: forgot the words he used, but he kind of said, like,

820
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: we need to build around what's gonna help us win,

821
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: and they haven't scratch to do it. That's the thing.

822
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: They have the draft cap and scratch. They got one

823
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: hundred million. It was two hundred and twenty four million.

824
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: I think it's the salary cap coming up. So they're

825
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: like thirty five million ahead of anybody else's. It's even

826
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: close to him as far as space. If they want,

827
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: they can buy a team. But that gets weird down

828
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: the road too when you're trying to build a behind

829
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: a younger guy like Fields. But still, yeah, and they

830
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: haven't you know, he's on his first contract. Yeah, so

831
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: but no, I think for the Bears, one hundred million dollars.

832
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: If I'm them, I'm going out and trying to find

833
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: the best offensive lineman, like two, you don't need five.

834
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: Two get one in the draft, maybe get some anchors,

835
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: get one in the draft. Find you a running back.

836
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: So if that's your guy, then keep him. If not,

837
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: and then you got to find him a man. You

838
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: got to find him a receiver. You look at Davante

839
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: Adams probably is not happy depending on what happens who

840
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: becomes his quarterback. Cardinals receiver Hopkins he wants to leave,

841
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: so that could be a Bears receiver there. So I

842
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: think that's the key for them. But I'm happy for

843
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: we know Mahomes is already good. I'm happy for Jalen

844
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: Hurts because everybody said the RPO and the running that's

845
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Speaker 1: that's not sustainable. It is. It's sustainable as long as

846
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Speaker 1: you are a coach that's willing to take what you

847
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Speaker 1: have and then make your offense around it. Don't have

848
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: your offense. I hate coaches that have an offense and

849
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Speaker 1: then say run my office fence, Like if they're not

850
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Speaker 1: good at it, what's the like Glenn Mason always said this.

851
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Speaker 1: He said Woody Hayes, which is a really old coach,

852
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Woody Hayes. There's a story Glenn Mason told him my show.

853
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: He said he told a kid, and you probably find

854
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Speaker 1: the footage he said with this black back would like that.

855
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't even seen the video. What he hayes chokes

856
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: the guy on the sideline. He can't do that anymore,

857
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: but he was talking about that and how scary what

858
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: he hayes was because it's like, man, he would choke

859
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: us like, which I'm like, you can't do that anymore,

860
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: but back then you could and get away with it,

861
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: and like you can choke up a coach like Tatum's

862
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: on the sideline with a microphone. He couldn't run by

863
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: and choke her up, like get out of the way,

864
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: get out of my way. Like I'm the head coach,

865
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: I do what I want to do. You go viral

866
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: to Tatum every punches Kevin O'Connell on the face. But

867
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Speaker 1: you know he told the story of he told a

868
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: player like I don't know two five times, but he said,

869
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Speaker 1: I told him a hundred times, you know, back up,

870
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Speaker 1: keep backing up, keep backing up, and the player didn't

871
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: do it. So when the game play happens, guy doesn't

872
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: back up, ball goes over his head and he goes

873
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: what he Hayes. He's like, yeah, I told him, Coach,

874
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: I told him a thousand times, Like in the meeting,

875
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: we told him, we told him on film, like when

876
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: you see this, you gotta get out of there. He's like,

877
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: you told him how many times? Like a thousand times, coach,

878
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: Like he just doesn't listen. He's like, you're a terrible teacher.

879
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: Like he's like, if you can tell a player a

880
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: thousand times and he still can't get it right, you're

881
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: a horrible at your job. And he's like, it's not

882
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: for that. Some players can't get right, like you have.

883
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: You have the players that you call him you can't

884
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: get right. But would he Hayes believe that if you

885
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: are not willing to figure out what can get him right.

886
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: Like so, he might be dyslexic, he might be a

887
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: visual learner. He might be a color learner. Like I

888
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: do that with my daughter's second grade basketball team, which

889
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: is the funny thing ever, but I've figured out for

890
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: them it's shapes. So to teach them a crossover, I'm like,

891
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: make a V because they know letters. And I'm like, oh,

892
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: when we're when we're passing in a square in our

893
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: defense I'm like, how do you make a square? And

894
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: they'll all line up to get in a square. I'm like, now,

895
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: let's make a triangle and they get into a triangle

896
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: and then they pass the ball in a triangle and

897
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, one girl here, two girls down at

898
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: the bottom, make a triangle. So do you yell shapes

899
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: from the sidelines? I do? I do. We have our

900
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: first game on the eleventh. I don't know what schools

901
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: or come. We have two games against the schools. But

902
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: my daughter she's the tallest second grader, so for the

903
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: other team, she's the tallest secon grader. So it's been

904
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: fun to watch her, just like because she can grab

905
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: rebounds and she puts it back up been secon grades

906
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: though nobody can really shoot and do anything, but like

907
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: watching them, it's like shapes. And so I thought about him, like, yeah,

908
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out because there's one guy trying to

909
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: teach these girls how to do stuff. I'm like, you gotta.

910
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: So we're teaching them a crossover, so I'm like, dribble

911
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: to the cone and make a V. And they were

912
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: all doing it. Like once they realize like, oh make

913
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: a V. Boom and they were going like, and I'm like,

914
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: these are second graders, but we figured out how to

915
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: teach them. And that's where I think good coaches come in,

916
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Speaker 1: which I think Kevin O'Connor is. I think a lot

917
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Speaker 1: of these head coaches now in the NFL realize, if

918
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Speaker 1: I get a guy in the draft and barring their

919
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: athletically enough good enough to do it, I'm gonna learn

920
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: how to teach this guy and create an offense around C. J.

921
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Strout or around what's the kid? Bryce Young from Alabama.

922
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: And it's not just black quarterbacks, you know, all quarterbacks.

923
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Speaker 1: I think mister Drubisky and some of these guys that

924
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: we assume out they can't. They go places like josh

925
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: Um what's the guy's name? No, uh, Tannehill, Ryan Tannehill.

926
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: They rolled him off. He goes to Tennessee and then

927
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: Tennessee's like, hey, let's just run the ball, play action

928
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: and then you roll out. You're a really good rollout quarterback.

929
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: And then he killed it and then they traded A. J.

930
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: Brown and he was pissed. But that's that's where a

931
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: guy like verbels like is he bad or we just

932
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: are they using them wrong? And Miami was trying to

933
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: make him Dan Marino. It's all about scheme. He's not

934
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: Dan Marino. He can't throw the ball forty times. You

935
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: need to play action, you need to roll, you need

936
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Speaker 1: to run the ball. And that's why. Then Tannehill became like,

937
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: oh wow, this Tannehill kill that they called him. Yeah,

938
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Speaker 1: Tanneth Thrill. How long did that? I don't know, Like

939
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: when it was an exciting season there was there? Well,

940
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: yeah they were one season for like three or four

941
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: years in a row. They were pretty good. Where Yah,

942
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: they were pretty good? Watch them, Yeah, I watched them

943
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Speaker 1: losing the Chiefs Chiefs man. To your point about the draft, though,

944
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Speaker 1: I saw this tweet from Louis Riddick. I thought it

945
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: was really interesting, so I just googled it and looked

946
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Speaker 1: it up. But um, speaking of getting guys on the

947
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, starters in the draft. The twenty twenty two

948
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: draft class for the Chiefs, there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

949
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 1: Five of them are starters. Wow, seventh rounder their last

950
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: pick was Pacheco. You look at that and you're like, okay,

951
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: so they have all this. You know, they're getting there.

952
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: They're getting things from their their draft class. The second

953
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: rounder who's not a starter, Sky Moore who's their punt returner.

954
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: So that's big, and then they have twelve selections in

955
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three draft. Wow, I'm just saying about

956
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Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie and that Drafs George Karloft is. Yeah, both

957
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: of those guys made plays for the Chiefs. So the draft,

958
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: you can win through the draft. We've seen teams do

959
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: it in the Kansas City Chiefs is another team that's

960
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: proven that you can do it that way. That's the

961
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Speaker 1: ultimate though, is to get quality veterans mixing with young talent,

962
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: and that's how you get a roster financially that can sustain.

963
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: And so you're just kind of replacing the old with

964
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: the new. They're coming in, they're making plays, and you know,

965
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: when you have tent pole anchors like you do with

966
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: the mahomes at, you know, at the most important position

967
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: and there you don't have to year after year keep

968
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: using top tier draft capital to try to fix that position.

969
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: Place like the Chiefs, it just feels like they're set

970
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: up for sustained growth forever. So we'll see how it goes.

971
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Speaker 1: We don't have seven draft picks this year, but we

972
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Speaker 1: have four. Yeah, but you can turn forward in a six.

973
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: He's gotta make some trades, maybe trade some players and

974
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Speaker 1: get some picks. It's gonna it's gonna He's gonna be

975
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: wheeling and dealing. It's gonna happen. I mean. But even

976
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: the treatment Duck and Big Duffy. I know, we broke

977
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: that down last year in the draft thing and I

978
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: kind of said I liked him, you know, I thought,

979
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, his size, his speed, um. But the Vikings

980
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: trade it back. You know that That's that's always a

981
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: question mark. It's like when you trade back, what do

982
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: you get out of it? Is it worth it? I

983
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: think Carlottis was available too, right, but it's all about

984
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: the h and again he's but he's a d N

985
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: does he fit in the three four? He does it

986
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: because we're trying to figure out if Daniel was coming back,

987
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: and then we signed Zadarius, so it's like, ah, do

988
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: we really need another pass rusher if we have, you know,

989
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: two guys that can rush the pass where we need corner,

990
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: never can have too many passers. The Eagles have shown

991
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: us that that is very true, very True's gonna be

992
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: a fun super Bowl. But I'm sure, we'll talk more

993
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: about that next week during Super Bowl Week, but ran

994
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: always a pleasure of having you on the Vikings. It's

995
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: about to be go time for them this week, Kas Fomenta,

996
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell. They're down in Alabama right now at the

997
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, so they're doing their due diligence making sure

998
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: that they have the right Vikings on the roster next

999
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: year via draft. So there will be a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk about that as we continue to move forward with

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Speaker 1: this twenty twenty three off season for Jay Nelson, Tatum, Everett,

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00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: Ron Johnson. My name is Gay Henderson. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: again for tuning into another edition of the Minnesota Vikings Podcast.