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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: Ray drops.

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Speaker 1: Look, I am in the middle of a beautiful female sandwich.

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Speaker 2: Call me an oreo, I'm creamy.

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Speaker 3: That's how it was starting.

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Speaker 2: You didn't.

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Speaker 4: It's more an orgy, maybe an orgy of the mines.

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Speaker 3: Maybe orgy of the mind is wild but still accurate.

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Speaker 4: Right or do the mind? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is well, you know that could be the case.

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Speaker 2: That could be the case.

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Speaker 1: But listen, I am here with Claudia Jordans and we

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Speaker 1: have Blue Tolusa, Jordy.

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Speaker 5: The Legend, the myths, the woman, the voice.

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Speaker 3: I'm up a rocket tour. People be getting mad at me.

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Speaker 4: H girl, start of my life.

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Speaker 3: Can't get away with nothing like You're in a good company.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we do here, and we are ship starters,

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Speaker 4: but we tell the truth.

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Speaker 3: That part, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like and yeah, people get mad. They can get mad

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Speaker 4: if they want to. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, We're just here to have conversations. And today we're here,

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Speaker 1: y'all to talk about another episode of The Braxton So

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Speaker 1: before we get into all of the dealings, okay, of

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Speaker 1: what has been happening in this past week's episode, well night,

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Speaker 1: the past week tonight's episode, Okay, I first want to

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Speaker 1: talk about things that were happening this week as it

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Speaker 1: relates to the Braxtons. So Blue and Claudia, as you

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Speaker 1: two know, last week's episode, the ladies aka the sisters

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Speaker 1: had a big argument about this cease and desist and

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Speaker 1: whether or not the sister sent it?

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Speaker 2: Who's sentims? A big who done it? Who's zooming? Who

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Speaker 2: Aretha Franklin? It was a mystery Claudia and Blue. The

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Speaker 2: mystery has been solved.

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Speaker 1: So a lawyer went online and decided to clear the air. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so the lawyer said, he they listen. They referred to

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Speaker 1: him as the Braxton's family attorney, which means he is

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Speaker 1: represented everybody, even the past or the present except Tamar.

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Speaker 2: But he went online to say that.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the sisters who hired him to send the

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Speaker 1: cease in the sist.

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Speaker 2: But it's in his exact words blew. He said that

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Speaker 2: it wasn't anybody vagina.

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Speaker 3: Wow, it wasn't anybody with the vagina, how much you

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Speaker 3: want to bet? He says female as well in conversation,

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Speaker 3: it was nobody with the vagina.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's anything like that legal jargon?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: Is that how lawyer's talk now?

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Speaker 3: I don't think it is. And that already tells me

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Speaker 3: what kind of paths of this is.

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Speaker 4: Do you think he's Is he from legal zoom?

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Speaker 3: It's giving he wants the one thousand plus one thousand

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Speaker 3: that church, or he's gonna cuss you out like it's

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Speaker 3: it's very much that that bracket of professional and I

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Speaker 3: want to know who hired him.

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Speaker 4: Look at Carlos's face, he's already stressed out over us.

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Speaker 4: He's like, damnit, high minutes.

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Speaker 3: In already one thousand plus one thousand. This is only

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Speaker 3: twelve hundred and thirty five.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm used to two aries, so Claudia's and Aris.

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Speaker 2: I'm a libra, what are you blue?

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Speaker 3: I'm an aries tourist, Cusp and I always warned people

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Speaker 3: because according to the others Georgy, I'm an aries, but

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Speaker 3: I don't claim them. So I'm a taurist. Why don't

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Speaker 3: they see me coming? If I claim, y'all have to

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Speaker 3: stay taurists so they can let me know.

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Speaker 4: You clean it off. You try to go in there

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Speaker 4: like a trojan horse.

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Speaker 3: Huh yeahmatorius stable another.

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Speaker 2: Ari, So I listen. I love an aries.

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Speaker 6: I love in aries.

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Speaker 2: Look clearly, it's.

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Speaker 4: Such a favorite. It's not a favorite sign.

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Speaker 2: My favorite sign. I would have to say.

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Speaker 1: All my life, I have always been connected to scorpios.

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Speaker 4: Oh the darkness, okay, I I thought I was gonna

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Speaker 4: say sad.

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Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say Gemini. Because the neighbors

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Speaker 3: are geminised with the gossip together. They love the kiki.

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Speaker 3: A Gemini in the corner talking about you, I'm mourning

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Speaker 3: all of you. If you see a Libra and a

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Speaker 3: Gemini in the court, you are the topic.

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Speaker 4: I must go hit you them. Gemini.

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Speaker 5: Do you catch them on a group text talking about you?

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Speaker 4: Man, maybe going in on you till you be like, damn,

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Speaker 4: I thought he's my friend.

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Speaker 2: Is that that happened to you before?

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Speaker 4: Claudia yeah, it was I thought. I was like, damn,

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Speaker 4: you said that about me.

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Speaker 2: I am so fastered by this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, before I get into the recovery episode,

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Speaker 1: we have to dissect the zodiac sign of the sisters

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Speaker 1: because I need to understand the dynamic of what exactly

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Speaker 1: is going on with these girls.

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Speaker 2: But okay, so the lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Said that someone who doesn't have a vagina hire him

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Speaker 1: to send the cease and desist. Ashley Braxton, who is

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Speaker 1: the daughter of Michael Braxton, the sister's only brother. Ashley

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Speaker 1: said on TikTok that was her father. She actually sent

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Speaker 1: the cease and desist. Now, the word on the curb

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Speaker 1: is this, Claudia Blue, and I would love to get

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on this. The word on the curb is

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Speaker 1: the fact that this lawyer allegedly is super close to

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Speaker 1: Tony and Trina and that perhaps in order to keep

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Speaker 1: their hands clean, allegedly they reached out to their brother

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Speaker 1: to do it on behalf of the family.

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Speaker 2: Blue, what are your thoughts on that? Does that sound

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Speaker 2: like something that is believable on.

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Speaker 3: A scale of one to ten? How authentic are we

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Speaker 3: going to be today?

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Speaker 2: Carlos, Claudia Jordan to Carlinos king it has to be

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Speaker 2: a tend.

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Speaker 3: For the way I'm at all, I'm in the right place.

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Speaker 4: The just that the only thing do with ponytails and eyelashes.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 3: The show is over. Okay. So my take on this

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Speaker 3: is through the lens of an EQ coach, and I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna say this. I was not surprised by what he

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Speaker 3: said because I feel like the way the mechanism that

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Speaker 3: it themselves. They would have always hid behind someone. So

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Speaker 3: them him saying it's somebody with a vagina, I think

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Speaker 3: he intended to say that from the beginning, which is

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Speaker 3: why the brother was the one who was used. I

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Speaker 3: think they're all complicit. I think they're all complicit. And

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Speaker 3: I actually have a lot to say about Twanda Braxin

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Speaker 3: in particular because I'm just gonna start here. So you

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Speaker 3: guys can do a temperature check if you're ready or not.

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Speaker 3: You know how the mother has several children, right, because

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Speaker 3: I believe a fish sticks from the head. When a

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Speaker 3: mother has several children, she knows what every child is

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Speaker 3: insecure about, and she tries to speak to it. Right.

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Speaker 3: So if Carlos. If you were the short son, she'd

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Speaker 3: be like, well, you're tall enough if you were a

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Speaker 3: good man, you know what I mean, Like, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: Have you noticed that in every single scene where Everylyn's

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Speaker 3: talking to Twanda, the first thing she says is hey, beautiful, Hey,

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Speaker 3: pretty girl, Hey gorgeous, because she's trying to offset the

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Speaker 3: obvious pain that Towanda has about how she's perceived in

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Speaker 3: the hierarchy of her sisters.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And so there's a certain level of pandering the family

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Speaker 3: does to Twanda, And there's a certain level of manipulation

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Speaker 3: that Tauanta does on behalf of the family that I'm

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Speaker 3: ready to call BSR because Tamar is not perfect. And

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Speaker 3: you can be imperfect and be an imperfect victim. Tamar

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Speaker 3: is an unsympathetic imperfect victim. And I think the family

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Speaker 3: has a long documented history of being annoyed that she

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Speaker 3: is the one who's always whistleblowing on things that they've

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Speaker 3: agreed to toxically keep them themselves. And the reason that

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Speaker 3: she's defending Ashley so much is because she's seeing it

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Speaker 3: happens Ashley.

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Speaker 2: She's seeing it wow.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why. And for those who are like, well,

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Speaker 3: it's it's self serving. First of all, nobody does anything

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Speaker 3: that they don't get anything from being good at Being

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Speaker 3: strategic doesn't mean you're insincere. We're on a show right now,

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Speaker 3: the show is being produced. It doesn't mean we're gonna

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Speaker 3: lie right so production being involved doesn't make it insincere.

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Speaker 3: I think the reason why she was so passionate about

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Speaker 3: Ashley is because she was Ashley. So when you see

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Speaker 3: her talking about herself, you're actually seeing her motivation to

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Speaker 3: have Ashley's back because she's watching it happens the next generation,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of people aren't clocking that she's being triggered.

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Speaker 3: She's been triggered by a real offense that is being

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Speaker 3: hidden behind a family dysfunction. That's just my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Claudia Jordan, I think you're my legal band.

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Speaker 4: Nah. You made some great points.

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Speaker 5: I think the reason why it's easy to uh not

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Speaker 5: take Tamar's side for the audience a lot of times

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Speaker 5: in the family is because sometimes she can come off

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Speaker 5: as a bit much right, or she may aggravate you

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Speaker 5: or a certain thing she does because she's you know,

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Speaker 5: gregarious and louder and stuff, So it's easy to like

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Speaker 5: not take that person's side, right, Well, she's always it,

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Speaker 5: so she's always that. But like you're saying, to your point,

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Speaker 5: I get it. You're saying, you can still have those

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Speaker 5: traits and still be to the truth. Yeah, And and

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of times, depending on the messenger

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Speaker 5: or what we already think about someone, that sometimes frames

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Speaker 5: what we are willing to believe about. The more take

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Speaker 5: their sides, Like, we've probably both been victims of that, right,

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Speaker 5: because they.

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Speaker 4: May not like you.

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Speaker 5: Everything you say to that is a lie or nope,

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Speaker 5: you're lying, you fool of shit. They don't want to

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Speaker 5: hear it, right, but if they like you, right, And

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Speaker 5: it's so frustrating when someone is light, they get believed

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Speaker 5: for things that may or may not be true.

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Speaker 4: We've all seen that, yep.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And when you're the one that's on the opposite

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Speaker 5: end of that, it's so frustrating because the more you

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Speaker 5: fight it and say no but she they're like, oh,

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Speaker 5: you're being a hater, you're jealous. Up there you go again.

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Speaker 3: This should go again whole time. To Wanda, what happened

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Speaker 3: to the thirty five K baby? Like there was there

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Speaker 3: was a scene where they're arguing where Twanda kind of

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Speaker 3: stumbles through an admission that she took thirty five thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars from her sister that never got paid.

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Speaker 2: Back, that it was a gift exactly.

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Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, think about that that was

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Speaker 3: a gift even when the phone right when she said, hey,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know me and to Wanna were on the

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Speaker 3: same phone plan, and I was paying for her phone

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Speaker 3: until I went to go switch providers and saw that

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Speaker 3: it was a family pan and I had been paying

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Speaker 3: for her and Tauanta's reaction isn't to say it's untrue.

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Speaker 3: It's to say, well, family takes care of family. You've

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Speaker 3: been caught stealing allegedly twice in this one conversation. But

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Speaker 3: And so when you're in a family that is a

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Speaker 3: One, She's gonna have to acknowledge her impact right Because

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Speaker 5: What would you give advice? What advice would you give to Towanda?

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know how, it's fascinating. I'm with

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Speaker 3: So I'm a spiritualist and I'm also an emotional intelligence coach,

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Speaker 3: who level where's you learn that from the Harvard School

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Speaker 3: I have people in my family who act like this.

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Speaker 4: That's amazing.

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Speaker 1: And how are people able to get in contact with you?

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Speaker 3: Blue Centric shop dot com. That's where you can see

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Speaker 3: my manifestation candles book one on one with me, take

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Speaker 5: Do you think in this family dynamic there's one victim

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Speaker 1: So before we get more in, I gotta bring on

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Speaker 1: the other man of the hour, y'all, fellow aries, give

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Speaker 3: I love you.

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Speaker 6: What's up? I love you too? Baby?

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Speaker 8: Y'all know me in Blue? First of all, Hello Quaudia,

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Speaker 8: Hello Carlos. It's going to do much like the spirit

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Speaker 8: of resolution for the Braxtons. I was running late. So, hey, you.

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Speaker 4: Have a friend.

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Speaker 6: No, I have rough allergies.

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Speaker 8: Actually, I wish I had a story for you about

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Speaker 4: I want to hear some gallivantation.

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Speaker 8: You want to hear the gallivante. You want to read

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing to Dustin. Every time somebody would

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Speaker 2: And Blue was cooking.

439
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 1: Blue you you mentioned that all of the sisters are

440
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 1: victims and that the unintentional villains are the mother are

441
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 1: the parents last week's episode. What I did say to

442
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Speaker 1: Claudia Dustin, because look, I have nine siblings, so it's

443
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: ten of us and Blue you're ready for this. I'm

444
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: the middle child. I'm a Libra, I'm number five of ten.

445
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Speaker 3: Okay, because kardash and we'll continue.

446
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm Kim Kardashian. Yeah, you're the Kim.

447
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 3: Kardashian from what you're explaining.

448
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 4: And you're the rich one too.

449
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, no worry a.

450
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 2: My Kim Kardashian the family.

451
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you are, you are.

452
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 4: Family.

453
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: He likes what you pretty.

454
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: I want you, I want I want her to explain

455
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: it before.

456
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: I move on.

457
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: Okay, Kim, You're You're shiny from the middle. You're the

458
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: one who was able to break away from the fray

459
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 3: while still being family minded, and you're the shining one

460
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: who brings blessing to the rest of the family.

461
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 8: There she goes, spinning facts like she always do.

462
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Speaker 5: Do you have a sex Hey, Carlos, I know, h

463
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 5: now listen, listen because because I about the guy got

464
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Speaker 5: real quick.

465
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Speaker 1: I always knew I was gonna be from the camera

466
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: and everything I did in my life, I said no

467
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: because I don't want that to back to Hally now

468
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: that I'm perfect. But like, that was what thing Claudia

469
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: that even like if me and my ex African would

470
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: do something, we would watch it and I would immediately

471
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: delete it and I would delete the deleted folder and I.

472
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: Would burn the Okay, well that's fact, but enough about me.

473
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 2: Last week's episode, Claudia so funny.

474
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: Last week's episode, I did share with Dusty Claudia that

475
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: again middle child often kids. The mother told Tony Braxton.

476
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: Who's the oldest and she's a libra. Tony Braxton's the

477
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: oldest of six kids, five boys.

478
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Speaker 2: Three girls.

479
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: They were in a girl group that was formed by

480
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Speaker 1: the mother. She raised them to be the female version

481
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: of the Jackson Five.

482
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: Five sisters. Okay La Reid saw the sisters.

483
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: And handpicked Tony Braxton and said, I only want you.

484
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 2: The other four were for all thetis and purposes rejected.

485
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: Tony has said out of her own mouth in plenty

486
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: of interviews that anytime she achieved something as a solo star,

487
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: her mother would say, that's fine, but don't forget about

488
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: your sisters. She also said her biggest regret is doing

489
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: the Braxton's family values because of the drama that came

490
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: about with that being said, what are your thoughts on

491
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Speaker 1: knowing that information? As you say that the sisters are

492
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: just trying to figure things out because were they based

493
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Speaker 1: on that? Did their mother not do the greatest job?

494
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: But when it came to making sure the sisters all

495
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Speaker 1: support each other. Despite Tony being selected as a solo star, I.

496
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Speaker 3: Made a list. I didn't make a list of the

497
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 3: archetypes that the sisters are present. Wow, it's very quick right,

498
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 3: Tony is the superstar eldest daughter. Anybody who knows what

499
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: an eldest daughter is means that you've been adultified, right,

500
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: Like the adultification of young black girls is a very

501
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: very spoken on topic, which means you're robbed of something

502
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: in order to make that those that come after you

503
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: are okay, yep, And so there's a certain level of

504
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: exhaustion that comes with that, inherently regardless of your character.

505
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: Number two, we have funny enough Tamar. Tamar is the

506
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: unsympathetic victim. She's the extreme opposite. She's the baby who

507
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: recognized I'm the last of these six children. I have

508
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: to do what I need to do to get attention.

509
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: And so in her mind, unless I do something, no

510
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: one's paying me any mind. And they have fed into

511
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: that because they only include her when she's in trouble,

512
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 3: and so subconsciously you think, if I'm making a raw row,

513
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 3: they're gonna pay attention to me. Right. If you watch

514
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: old videos of the Braxes when they were all including Tony,

515
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: Tony would be dancing. The only person dancing as hard

516
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: as Tony would be Tamar, the eldest and the youngest.

517
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: We already see what that's happening. And here's the thing

518
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: too about and I wonder if she's been fully diagnosed

519
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 3: as a high functioning autistic woman. When people lie, my

520
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: brain starts to scream. They're lying, they're lying, they're lying.

521
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 3: My therapist had to work through emotional regulation. And so

522
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: I often say that Tamar is the most annoying and

523
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: the most honest, because the little girl in her who

524
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 3: wants attention also is screaming like Paul Revere. But there's

525
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: a fire over there. There's a fire over there, and

526
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: they're like, Tamar, shut up. We're at church. We're not

527
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: gonna talk about that now. So the eldest have been

528
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: taught to hush and keep it cute. But she's getting

529
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: attention by screaming out the thing that is happening in

530
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: an inconvenient moment so she can get attention. Then we

531
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: have Trina, who I call the complicit sidekick m Her

532
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: thing is that she knows and if she plays the

533
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: middle in the way that Kim and Carlos didn't, if

534
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: she plays the middle by being everybody's sidekick, right, everybody's

535
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 3: yes man, who she's like vodka, anybody who's around her,

536
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: she takes on their flavor, laving her own. But whatever

537
00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: you got elevated Trina and vodka for acting right. She's

538
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: a complicit sidekicks. I watch the show too, Claudia boots

539
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: and then, oh god, this is gonna hurt my heart.

540
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna speak on the dead, so I'm gonna

541
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: skip over to Twanda. And this is where things get trigated.

542
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 3: This think where things get real treaty. Twanda thought that

543
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: she was going to be the one who I couldn't

544
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: be the prettiest, I couldn't be the shiniest, I couldn't

545
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: be the most talented, but I can be the reliable

546
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: one to be the one that because I'm always of service,

547
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: I have been transactionally showing my value. So when the

548
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: optics for the public say that I'm not the superstar,

549
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: my family feels codependent on me. She is will be

550
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: called a stoic manipulator because the first thing she says

551
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: when you displease her is not too much. I know

552
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: where the body are buried. That she says that way

553
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: too quickly.

554
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 6: She gets the fat.

555
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: She'll help you, but weaponize that help when you inconvenience

556
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: her kind of me either, because the thing is Tawanda

557
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: Broxton has never done anything for anybody that we haven't

558
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: heard about repeatedly. Never. Trina even said in the last episode, well,

559
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: Taunta's always been upset that you know, she's always there

560
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: for everybody, but no, why's there for her? That's a

561
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: cute story. It's a story. And what makes me sad

562
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: is Tajuanta thought that she was going to be second.

563
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: Nobody banked on Tamar being the breakout star in the

564
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: longest running black led reality show in history. Nobody banked

565
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: on the outlier being second to the superstar. And there's

566
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: an inherent did I say this not resentment, but it's

567
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: starting to turn into hatred. There's an underlying resentment that

568
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: the sisters have that has grown heaviest in Tuanda because

569
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: Towanda keeps trying to shame Tamar and the one thing

570
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: we can all agree on is Tamar box and the shameless.

571
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: Usually I can use shame to shut people up, but

572
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: this one can't be shamed. I'll let you put the

573
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: money or down payment of my house. Else I'll have

574
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: my family on your family plan, on your phone and not.

575
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 6: Pay you back for six years.

576
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: Don't you dare get out of line hole because you're

577
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: the annoying one that nobody likes and I'm the one

578
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: that everybody needs.

579
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta pro.

580
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: I'm on. I'm onto you.

581
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, she broke all that down. We on you, Twanda,

582
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 8: and who in the hell is scratchy? I'm still on that,

583
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 8: you know what I'm say. I've been thinking since last week.

584
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 8: Damn it, I got thoughts. You know what I'm saying.

585
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 8: I'm sired of all of that, Towanda. Let me just

586
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 8: say this, since we're talking about who they are and

587
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 8: how they're showing up in his sisterhood, right.

588
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 6: Towanda, literally I'm blue.

589
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 8: You don't even know the dimes you just dropped, right, because,

590
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 8: just as you describe the way you described Tony superstared,

591
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 8: Tamar's popularity as well as natural inclination to be busy

592
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 8: because she's always seeking attention, right, it's two other sisters

593
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 8: currently that sit in the middle, and that's Trina and

594
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 8: Twuanda that haven't done as much to garner the attention, right,

595
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 8: And I think that that the couple with ego and

596
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 8: you know a couple other things that are natural but

597
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 8: maybe not the most healthy have contributed to the way

598
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 8: that they look at each other, Twanda. They all have

599
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 8: an opportunity, though, to showcase the most robust parts of

600
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 8: their lives on this television show. Right, we watch Twanda

601
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 8: go through, I mean, step by step, moment by moment,

602
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 8: every thought, feeling concerned, napping, invitation, centerpiece. We watched every

603
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 8: detail of this wedding planning, right, but we breeze through

604
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 8: what a two minute scene about her working as an

605
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 8: actor and as a producer and a director on a film.

606
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. We skip. We really that

607
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 8: was one scene. But we're on episode four and we

608
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 8: still play in this wedding. She's still singing when she

609
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 8: talks about the wedding, the wedding, everything that she talks

610
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 8: about with the wedding, she sings. That's the most singing

611
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 8: she hadn't done since there was the Braxtons, you.

612
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying.

613
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 8: And I've just been thinking about that and thinking about that,

614
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 8: because I definitely believe that it heavily contributes to what

615
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 8: we witnessed at that dinner table during that scene. Then

616
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 8: willing to go solo, all the willingness to expose this

617
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 8: and expose that you trying to literally move Tamar down

618
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 8: a peg and not in the way that she needs

619
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 8: to be right, because she definitely does.

620
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said I don't. God has helped me. You said,

621
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: I don't argue with sick people. Yeah, objectively speaking, you're

622
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: the broke bald one. So like I need everybody to

623
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: pan out, because.

624
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 8: Ma'am, it is what it is with them shoes on too.

625
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 8: Did y'all see them them Bobby Socks and Mary James

626
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 8: that Tawanda had on when it was going on a yacht.

627
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 8: She just be doing anything and I think that.

628
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 6: Dookie Brown and purple Dookie Doo Dooo, Doodoo Brown, go go,

629
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 6: that's what it is. Sut up.

630
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: Not to stop, y'all because I want you to finish.

631
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: I want to go record saying that Claudia Jordan is

632
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: still playing the role of Carlos King for the first time.

633
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: She is trying not to laugh. She is Clauda.

634
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 4: Y'all got me in a weird position right now.

635
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, y'all got me.

636
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 4: I'm trying I'm Carlos right now. Let's have a.

637
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 3: Shame the devil tell THEO.

638
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: I have done that. I have done, Claudia bite her tug.

639
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: Claia doesn't feel good? Does it do?

640
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 6: To be?

641
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: Like?

642
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 6: I don't have.

643
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 5: I don't have such a negative take on Towanda.

644
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 6: I don't. Yeah, I don't.

645
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 5: And I'm going to hear maybe because I'm new to

646
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 5: the party, but I just don't like. And I was

647
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 5: at the wedding. It didn't look like shit, it looked good.

648
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 5: So I'm just like, I'm not jumping in on that

649
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 5: and just just to go along because I don't feel

650
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 5: that way and the whole point of being Yeah, and

651
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 5: I'm not that deep in like I'm new to the show.

652
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 5: I need watching, So I don't know the deep, long

653
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 5: the roots of a lot of this stuff. I'm just

654
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 5: coming in this season like I'm fresh. I'm just going

655
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 5: by what I see in real life and who's been

656
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 5: night like, who I've had issues with or who've been

657
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 5: cool with. Yeah, so I'm trying to like be Braxton.

658
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 3: Has, by by the way, agrees with me. The late

659
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: great Tracy Braxton has been on the record saying what

660
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 3: I'm saying right now. So let's let's just say as

661
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: a matter of because I'm good at not getting sued

662
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: legally speaking, There is a scene of Tracy Braxton literally

663
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: years ago before she passed away, saying, Twanda, you act

664
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: like you're helping everybody, but you'd be the one who

665
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: be thrown rocks and hide in your like. Tracy literally

666
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 3: called her out on this. I made sure when I

667
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: had this theory that I traced it through facts, because

668
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: I did watch the first ten seasons and then to

669
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: blast her off. So I've been a longtime fan for

670
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: over a decade, and I've been watching and watching and watching.

671
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: And we all know that person who helps you just

672
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: so they can keep you in line. We all know

673
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: that girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they're supposed to be likable.

674
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: What's the first thing I said when Ruby what's her face?

675
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 3: His mother was found for Stockholm? You remember remember Ruby Rose,

676
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: and she her mother passed away because we found out

677
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: that her mother was abusing her to help her. To

678
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: be applauded for helping her. Right the first time people

679
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: said this, you would have never thought she was so loving,

680
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: she was so caring. You would have never thought stoic

681
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 3: manipulators are supposed to be hard to believe when they

682
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: are called out, because the helpfulness is louder than the manipulation.

683
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 5: Well, I hope to get to know these like this,

684
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 5: like the psychology of it all throughout this season, you know,

685
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 5: like I'm coming I'm the newbie, like I'm coming in

686
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 5: this like okay, I'm learning this like week by week.

687
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 4: Okay, I am going by you know.

688
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 5: I just would hear stuff about them or little limited

689
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 5: reactions or actions. I'd have interactions with them when I

690
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 5: be out, so I'm seeing all the stuff like through

691
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 5: kind of fresh eyes, like damn, okay, all.

692
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: Right, no, Which is why your your pob Claudia is

693
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: important because listen, all four of us have our very

694
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: different opinions and views of the show.

695
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: The three of us have been watching us since season one.

696
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: Claudia has been in the industry, like I said, for

697
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: a very long time, so she has interaction with these people.

698
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: Claudia, before I listen, I.

699
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: Want to hear a lot about Blues opinion about Tony

700
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: Braxton not going to Twanda's bridal shower and her reaction

701
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: to that, and then in this night's episode, her reaction

702
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: when Tony said it's Tamar invited. So before we get

703
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: into that, Claudia, you and Tamar did College Hill together,

704
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: celebrity college here.

705
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry College Hill. Well last year, it aired last year.

706
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: But y'all taped it in twenty twenty three, right, yeah,

707
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: but it aired last year.

708
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 5: Though, No, we filmed it in like I think February

709
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 5: and air the same year.

710
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So last year you were in the same house

711
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: with Tamar Braxton.

712
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 2: You spent a month with her.

713
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: What can you share with us just about like your

714
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: time being spent because Blue obviously is really doing a

715
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: deep dive base on the historical nature of their sisterhood

716
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: from birth until now. You're the only one that I

717
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 1: know personally that has had that long of a time

718
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: with her in the house word show. What are your

719
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: thoughts on this and what people are saying about Tamar?

720
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: You know whether or not you know she is to

721
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: blame for something like this.

722
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 5: So before we did College Show, like listen, it's no

723
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 5: secret there were years that Tamor and I did not

724
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 5: fuck with each other.

725
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 4: Okay, it was like it goes way back.

726
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 5: We did a show called Tiny Tonight and things went

727
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 5: left on that show and I actually left the set

728
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 5: in tears.

729
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 4: Like I'm like, I can't fucking do the show.

730
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 5: Like it was like that It was really really bad,

731
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 5: and it was like carried out over to social media

732
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 5: and it was years and years and years, and I

733
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 5: was like, damn, I don't even have a history with

734
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 5: this lady, you know what I mean? Like it was crazy,

735
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 5: and thank God foxhol we end up having her come

736
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 5: on and then we squashed it as much as we

737
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 5: could on camera, so it was already the blow was

738
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 5: already softened by the time I got in the house,

739
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 5: So it wasn't I wasn't worried about it when I

740
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 5: got there. It was actually we had a good interaction.

741
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 5: We actually had great conversations on the show. From what

742
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 5: I can see about her, she definitely is the youngest, right,

743
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 5: like you know how like the baby of the family.

744
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 5: Like they definitely want attention, they definitely want to win everything,

745
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 5: and when they don't win, I do feel like she

746
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 5: gets upset about things, you know. But I think if

747
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 5: you recognize that and someone you can like work with

748
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 5: them or deal with them or understand them more than

749
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 5: just writing somebody off like where they come from, you know.

750
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 4: Like I think it's when you.

751
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 5: Have that many sisters, I would imagine I'm the oldest,

752
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 5: I'm the oldest, so I'm like, I was the adult

753
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 5: right away, right when you're when you're in that position,

754
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 5: I see how it's like it's like what about me?

755
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 5: What about what I think? And I want to be heard?

756
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 5: And I definitely saw that with her, But when like

757
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 5: there wasn't an audience around and it was like one

758
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 5: on one, so sweet, so cool, so like I love.

759
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 5: I had really enjoyed my time with her, and I

760
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 5: got to see a different side that I would have

761
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 5: never known had I didn't have a how I didn't

762
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 5: have the had I not had that experience. So me before,

763
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 5: I'm going by what I see on the real, what

764
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 5: I see on social media, what I see in clips

765
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 5: where you're like, oh, that's a lot, right, and it's

766
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 5: easy to jump on that. That's a lot bandwagon, And

767
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 5: I think we all can probably say that, like I know,

768
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 5: you know, people that don't know me probably have really

769
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 5: negative things to say about me. But then one on

770
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 5: one is so much different. It's so much different when

771
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 5: I want it's so much different when the noise of

772
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 5: everybody else's.

773
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 4: Opinions are not in the room.

774
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 5: And I'm glad I had to have that, you know,

775
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 5: because I got to see things a little differently. But

776
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 5: I can see how it's easy to go against her

777
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: or to believe the worst from some of the surface antics. Right,

778
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 5: the loudness, the this, the that, those aren't really character things.

779
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: That's the personality, I guess right, it's not really.

780
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 5: Like So I can see how it'd be easy to

781
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 5: be demonized for those things.

782
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what I'll say too is, listen, I I've

783
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: had you know, I'm friends with Tamar. That's that's that's

784
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: publicly known, and she's been on my podcast. I did

785
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: an interview with Towanda, who I love and enjoy that's

786
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: now going viral again because a lot of people are

787
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: right blue TikTok, they are clipping my Towanda interview.

788
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: So I love the family.

789
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't know Tony Braxton and I am meaning personally,

790
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: and I don't know Trina personally at all all. But

791
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: what I will say about the two of them, but

792
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: I will say about Timar is this. Obviously, I'm somebody

793
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: that loves big personalities.

794
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 6: I just.

795
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 3: Carlos No.

796
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: So listen, it's no secret that I am friends with

797
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: Tamar and I I'm in love with her. I love her,

798
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: I love her. I haven't had a bad experience with her. Ever,

799
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: me and her had disagreements, as friends do. But one

800
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: thing I will say about her that I agree with

801
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: Claudia that doesn't get shown a lot. And it's funny

802
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: because she made this joke once because she tweeted something

803
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: this is like last year and it went viral and

804
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: she called me and she said, you saw what happened?

805
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: I said, yes, why did you post that?

806
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 6: She said?

807
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: And she deleted it. She said, Carlos, I forget that.

808
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,240
Speaker 2: I'm fathoits. Sometimes I'm like, you're hilarious.

809
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: So what I will say is she is conscious when

810
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: things do go left, and she is somebody who in

811
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: my opinion based on my conversations with her personally, she

812
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: is somebody and I've seen it happen. And I spoke

813
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: to her honestly like the other day and we had

814
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: a conversation, and what I said to her was, I

815
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: really do feel the growth that you are exemplifying, and

816
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the world to continue seeing that. Listen,

817
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: You're only as good as your last episode as a

818
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: reality star. And I do think when it comes to

819
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: this show, she now is going through the PTSD of

820
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: what she had to experience when it was filming and

821
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: deal with the aftermath of it. And I think with

822
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: Towanda's this my interview with Towanda, and I've had conversation

823
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: with Towanda two not recently, and Tomanda, to me is

824
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: somebody who I do think what Blue is saying did

825
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: rely a lot on being the reliable one, and whether

826
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: or not she used that as manipulation, you know, I think,

827
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the family can talk about that, but

828
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: I do think when you come from a big family,

829
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: you do subconsciously take on these archetypes. You really do,

830
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: you really do, and it is a lot of times

831
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: how you identify yourself and what you are rewarded for

832
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: your characteristics as a youth. And that's why for me,

833
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up because this to me, and

834
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: I wonder if the three you called in this episode,

835
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: this to me was the most fascinating a part of

836
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: the episode because to me, it did talk about all

837
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: the things that Blue is breaking down. When Tomanda learned

838
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: that Tamar wasn't coming to Mexico, she obviously wasn't happy

839
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: and she felt like nobody's here from me.

840
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: Tony didn't come either.

841
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: She dident'ifyed Tony to the Bridgeton party and Tony did

842
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: not come there either. And what's funny is there's a

843
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: viral clip that's on line, uh party.

844
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: City, Risidon Seana ryans hat got nothing do with that that.

845
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 6: It ain't even that blue.

846
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 8: There's a there's a tweet going around friend where somebody

847
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 8: clipped that scene where Towanda was on the phone with

848
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 8: Tony and she was letting her know she wasn't coming

849
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 8: to the to the bridal show when they were at

850
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 8: the bridle shop looking at the dresses.

851
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 6: Somebody clipped it.

852
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 8: I wish I had the tweet save as I would

853
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 8: credit the person, but they clipped it and rolled.

854
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 6: Uh.

855
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 8: All the Twanda friends looked so sad, like she had

856
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 8: promised him they was gonna get to meet Tony.

857
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 6: And that was.

858
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 3: Literally on my notes Dustin, literally that was yes.

859
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it, but okay, let's talk about that.

860
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: But the reason why I say all of this was

861
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: fascinating is because Tony not coming. I didn't feel the

862
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: reaction match Tamar and that's only there for Tony.

863
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 3: According to Tauanta's friends, like the wedding is over apparently.

864
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: So Breaka down blue for me at Claudia and dust

865
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: a child because.

866
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 3: I will say this, I do not have any ire

867
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 3: against Twanta Braxton. I'm counter balancing her pr to make

868
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: it because Tamar is not the devil in Twanta is

869
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: not an angel. That's what I was.

870
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 6: I just want to put that hand being ray because

871
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 6: I want to make a note.

872
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 8: Right number one, we're talking about Braxton's right, this is

873
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 8: some family ship, right, and so it go is It's

874
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 8: so difficult almost to offer commentary on it because it's

875
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 8: such a personal matter, right, anything that goes on with

876
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 8: them's family shit.

877
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 6: Another thing that I want to know.

878
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 8: Because I see we just had a discourse, and not

879
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 8: a discourse, we just talked about who they are in

880
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 8: their personality.

881
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 6: Thes Ryan.

882
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 8: Claudia recalled your experience working with Tamarrow on College Hill. Carlos,

883
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 8: you recalled your friendship with tamaraw how she showed up

884
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 8: to you. Because Tamar Braxton has been in numerous conflicts

885
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 8: confrontations that have been public, right, people have people have

886
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 8: painted a picture of who she is based on that,

887
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 8: and they don't really judge her based.

888
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 6: On the circumstance anymore.

889
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 8: Right, Because there's been so many occurrences people now feel

890
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 8: like she's a messy person. She's dedicated to drama and

891
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 8: mess so anytime you hear a story involving her, you

892
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 8: can count on her to play that role. That's really

893
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 8: not fair to her, right, because things are different each circumstance,

894
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 8: each situation is totally different one to the next, and

895
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 8: people should be given a fair shot, right, So I

896
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 8: do think we should give her grace for that. I

897
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 8: also want to make the note that this is not

898
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 8: a show where we are deciding which Braxton we like

899
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 8: and which one we don't. Right, we don't have that

900
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 8: responsibility in this conversation to determine whether or not Tamar

901
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 8: is good or bad, you know what I'm saying. We're

902
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 8: talking about what happened on this damn show, and because

903
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 8: it's family shit, the historical context matters. It's relevant, right,

904
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 8: because there's a timeline that has brought.

905
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 6: Them to these determinations.

906
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 8: But us in the commentatory space, I don't feel that

907
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 8: we have to carry the load of deciding who's good

908
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 8: or bad amongst them or whatever. We're just talking about.

909
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 8: We calling it like we see it, based on what

910
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 8: was on the show. A lot of people will take

911
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 8: because we're talking about Tamar and we're talking about Twanda,

912
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 8: just like if we were talking about the rap girls.

913
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, people would take whatever we

914
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 8: say and clip it, make it, you know, form it,

915
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 8: shape shifted to fit whatever narrative. I just want to

916
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 8: be clear that this is not a conversation, nor was

917
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 8: last week or any other week we talk about this shit.

918
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 8: It was not our you know, time or choice to

919
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 8: bash any of them. We have opinions based on what

920
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 8: we saw on the show, and that's what we're talking about.

921
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 5: It will one hundred percent be perceived that way as

922
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 5: it is tam our side and I'm not, and it's

923
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 5: gonna be like it and it's not.

924
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 8: We shouldn't have to say.

925
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 4: On College Hill and tell calls me talking.

926
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 5: Just remind me of something I was impressed when I

927
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 5: was doing College Hill with Tamar that things I thought

928
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 5: that would.

929
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 2: Set her off.

930
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 5: It's almost like she has done some work right, and

931
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 5: I could tell where I would be like bracing myself, like, oh,

932
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 5: she about to go to funk off.

933
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 4: And she didn't.

934
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 5: And she would tell us repeatedly, I'm trying to work

935
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 5: on myself. I'm trying to do better, and I have

936
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 5: to give credit for that because being aware of it.

937
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 5: First of all, nobody ever wants to admit that they

938
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 5: even have anything wrong with them, especially on TV when

939
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 5: you got a bunch of fans kissing your ass all

940
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 5: the time, and then to say it on camera as well.

941
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 5: She did say it, and I did see her almost

942
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 5: like you know, when you're like trying to all right

943
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 5: one to like doing a countdown in your head to

944
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 5: kind of calm yourself down. And she did do that,

945
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 5: and I appreciated that because I braced myself for the

946
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 5: you know, the version that I dealt with before, and

947
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 5: she wasn't like that. I will say she was definitely

948
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 5: actively working on herself on the process in the month

949
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 5: we there, because there were things that she dealt with

950
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 5: that I wouldn't ever want to deal with, Like she she.

951
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 4: Had a roommate her in Santana.

952
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 5: Santana light the room really really cold, Tama want the

953
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 5: room really really hot, and she dealt with that for

954
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 5: like thirty days when that would make anyone kind of snap.

955
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 5: And I saw her patience and I saw her I

956
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 5: saw some evolution there, and I do think a lot

957
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 5: of times, we don't like to give.

958
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: People on television grace for evolution.

959
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 5: Once we decide who they are, damn it, that's who

960
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 5: they are for the entirety of their career.

961
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 4: Nope, because back in two.

962
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 5: Thousand and nine you said this, so you are forever

963
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 5: that and we don't do that. But we expect that

964
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 5: for ourselves, right, and realize we expect people to like

965
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 5: allow us to grow up or to so I want

966
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 5: to point that out, like I want to some positivity

967
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 5: to that as well.

968
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 4: And I was impressed with that.

969
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 3: I will say this. I mentioned it to you and

970
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: Carlos before we started that a friend, a mutual of Tamar's,

971
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 3: and I was trying to develop a show with us

972
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: and a third party, and I said, hey, has Tamar

973
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: seen me? Does she know how I talk?

974
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 6: Like?

975
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: Is she aware of what you're doing? And then he said, no,

976
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: she loves that You're so sincere. And I had just

977
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 3: been an episode where I had humanized someone that the

978
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: audience was beating up on. Right, So as a person,

979
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: the fact that she knows that I am blunt, but

980
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 3: trusted that because I was humanizing people, that we could

981
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: work together. That was when I was like, it's tam

982
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: I working on herself, because nobody who's not working on

983
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 3: themselves would be able to even strugg me rights. I

984
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: have to give you some flowers, Dustin. Did y'all see

985
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 3: what Dustin just did. We were having a critical analysis

986
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: about the behavior of the Braxtons, and something in him

987
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 3: internally said, let's also make sure that we are under

988
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: scoring the compassion. The fact that we have yet to

989
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 3: see that happen amongst her sisters the entire season. Is

990
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: my point, something that is natural to complete strangers on

991
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: a commentary show is still not happening with your own family.

992
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: So we can't talk about the family business, but we

993
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: can talk about what happens when the family fails you continuously.

994
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, and that's all it is.

995
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 6: Man.

996
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 8: I actually was surprised at some of the reactions and

997
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 8: some of the conversations I saw surrounding this, because people

998
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 8: immediately were kind of like, they're not listening to Tamar

999
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 8: in this situation as having a conversation.

1000
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 6: People knew that and like her hater, Like I said,

1001
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 6: I just try.

1002
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 8: To keep it on the show shit, because I have

1003
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 8: my opinions on her and different choices and behaviors that

1004
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 8: she's exhibited and shit, she's done.

1005
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.

1006
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 8: But it's not personal for me, and so I just

1007
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 8: wanted to offer that note, that's all, and thank you

1008
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 8: for clocking that boot like you always do, my girl,

1009
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. But that's a real thing, man.

1010
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 8: At the end of the day, it's a black family

1011
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 8: were talking about. I don't think any of them are

1012
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 8: without fault, you know what I'm saying. Everybody contributed to,

1013
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 8: including Tony. You know, she might be the shortest one.

1014
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 8: She got something to say too, So everybody has contributed to,

1015
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, the state of affairs, and

1016
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 8: now that being said, we are going to talk about it,

1017
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 8: and we are going to identify what we, you know,

1018
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 8: feel based on what we saw. And although I think

1019
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 8: that Tamar has not been given the floor in the

1020
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 8: capacity that she needed, you know what I'm saying, when

1021
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 8: it comes to her sisters and what they need to

1022
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 8: talk about, Tamar also bears a lot of responsibility in

1023
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 8: this because she willingly allows things to just go completely

1024
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 8: off the rails. And there's never been a conversation more

1025
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 8: important out of all of the conflicts that we've been

1026
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 8: privy to her having publicly, there's never been one that

1027
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 8: was more deserving of patience, more deserving of taking a

1028
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 8: beat before you respond and really thinking about what's going

1029
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 8: on in this one with her and our sisters, and

1030
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 8: I wish that we would have saw Tamar like do

1031
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,479
Speaker 8: that for one time.

1032
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 6: I wish we would have seen it.

1033
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 8: Although yeah, we have seen progress, I guess, and yes

1034
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 8: she has been different than she was previously, but these

1035
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 8: are fucking sisters, you know what I'm saying, And based

1036
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 8: on what they were talking about, I just would have

1037
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 8: liked to see her handle it differently because she was right.

1038
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 8: That's why she had a bag full of you know

1039
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. She had a hot bag at that table,

1040
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 8: She had ceasing desists in their phone bills and shit,

1041
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, all kinds of stuff.

1042
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 6: She was scared.

1043
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: That's one thing I will say is when people are triggered,

1044
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 3: we have to take logic off the table, because being

1045
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 3: triggered is an illogical mindset. When you're triggered, you're not

1046
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: being logical, You're time traveling to the past to something

1047
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: that hurts you. And justin I'm not sure if you

1048
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 3: were here when I said it earlier about how the

1049
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: thing about Ashley was twofold. Nobody does things for one reason.

1050
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 3: It's a document nature, right. We are all people who

1051
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: are used to the industry. We can produce content about

1052
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 3: something we sincerely care about while still thinking like producers,

1053
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: and us being producers doesn't make us insincere. Some people

1054
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: act like just because Tamar knows how to produce that

1055
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: she can't also simultaneously be sincere, which is doesn't make sense.

1056
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 3: I think that Ashley triggers her because watching Ashley be

1057
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: silenced and then and then cast away by the family

1058
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 3: reminds her of what she believes happened to her. Something

1059
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 3: happened to Ashley, and at a moment allegedly where Ashley

1060
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: should have expected the family to wrap their arms around her,

1061
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: they instead shamed her and pushed her away. And so

1062
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: when Tamar says Ashley, Tamar is thinking about baby Tamar,

1063
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: and that's why she almost doesn't interchangeably. The argument at

1064
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: the table was about Ashley, but Tamar was like, you're

1065
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 3: doing it again. The thing you did to me, you're

1066
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: doing it to my niece. Now you're doing it again.

1067
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 3: So yes, I want to get clicks producing it on

1068
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 3: my show. But also what do we always say, be

1069
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 3: the person who you didn't have when you were growing up,

1070
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 3: and when that's what I want to.

1071
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying.

1072
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 5: But one thing that run me the wrong way, and Cam,

1073
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 5: I don't get man hit it was it became about

1074
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 5: y'all trying to ruin my business, and fuck that it

1075
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 5: should not no say what it is like say it's

1076
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 5: about Ashley, not about the business, because then it took

1077
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 5: a little bit of steam out of that, you know

1078
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 5: what I mean?

1079
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 3: Like I felt like that they're not there. But the

1080
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: thing what I'm saying is they're not separate there to

1081
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 3: her in the brain. They don't get separated like that.

1082
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 3: That's logic. Again. The way it happens when you have

1083
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: trauma is that what y'all did to Ashley is what

1084
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 3: y'all did to me. And y'all resent that I was

1085
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: the breakout star and y'all trying to fuck up my

1086
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: business and this is another way that you're trying to

1087
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 3: fuck up my business. It's not separate like that. We

1088
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: keep on wanting the human experience to be compartmentalized. That's

1089
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: not how the human brain works. When something triggers you,

1090
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 3: it's like tangled chords in the back of a TV set,

1091
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 3: not you and Ashley and me being the breakout star

1092
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: and you guys resenting me and to one of throwing

1093
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 3: rocks and taking money from me and hiding her hand,

1094
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: and it all becomes one big ball that's happened to

1095
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: all of us be out in the moment, and then

1096
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 3: later be like, I know I was mad about this,

1097
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 3: but now that I'm recognizing.

1098
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 2: I was mad about everything gets gets brought up. Is

1099
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: that the reason why? Is that the reason why for me?

1100
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: Because going back to Towanda, because I do want to

1101
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 1: be able to have all of us have a healthy

1102
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: discussion because Towanda is getting dragged on social media. And

1103
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: you know how I feel about reality stars. I think,

1104
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: like Dustin said, keep it to the show, a lot

1105
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: of y'all doing the most with it, and I don't

1106
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: think it's fair to her, Like if you want to talk.

1107
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: About what she did on the show, fine cook.

1108
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: But I think when you, I think, when people are

1109
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: doing extreme bullying, I don't like to see it.

1110
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: But I also, oh girl, they they.

1111
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 4: Are dragging her. It's actulutely yeah, that's.

1112
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: Why I like, it's really bad and I don't want

1113
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: to want.

1114
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 5: To I can look everything too far.

1115
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: So what I want to do is this because I

1116
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: agree when you talk about the hierarchy and the reason

1117
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: why I want to go back to the way Tony

1118
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: is positioned in this family of sisters. So look when

1119
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: you say, you know, jokingly, I'm the kim kid my family.

1120
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: What I will say, and I'm being honest, and I

1121
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: told this it doesn't Callia last week. My siblings don't

1122
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: treat me that way. They don't give a fuck about

1123
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: what I do. They like you Carlos, right. But but

1124
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: what I what I saw with the disappointment, not just

1125
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: by her friends.

1126
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: I do want us to laugh. That was funny. They

1127
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: all did look disappointed.

1128
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: Whatever somebody said, they were problems and degree I digress.

1129
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 3: It was a Chris.

1130
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: Foul.

1131
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: It's when Tony then came and when when when they

1132
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: when they had the boat, that didn't go to they

1133
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: have a boat, and then Tony showed up being told

1134
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: being Tony Braxon the superstar.

1135
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I saw.

1136
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: I saw the defense and the go down immediately, even

1137
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: when they argue and Trina goes You're the Superstar, stop it.

1138
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: And one thing that I didn't talk about last week.

1139
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: I want to talk about.

1140
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: Is you have two sisters fighting right.

1141
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: The fact that if y'all look at the body language,

1142
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: Trina goes in the middle of them and puts her

1143
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: back towards Amar.

1144
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 2: When my siblings are fighting, you grab the both of them.

1145
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: It's similar to when Chloe was in the middle of

1146
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: Courtney and Kim literally fighting each other, and what you

1147
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: saw was Chloe tried to get the buff from them

1148
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: off of each other.

1149
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: What I thought was fascinating was this.

1150
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: There is something about Tony Braxton when it comes to

1151
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: the way she's try in the family, and I saw.

1152
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: It with you the Superstar Stop It.

1153
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: A lot of people are mad at Towanda per saying

1154
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: to Tony, would you like to press charges?

1155
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm very mad about that.

1156
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't talk about that.

1157
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: And then and then we saw that although based on

1158
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: what I've seen the five episodes, Tony has disappointed Towanda

1159
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: a couple of times, but a dinner I miss a

1160
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: child seems to make everything okay.

1161
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: And I wanted to talk to you Blue about that.

1162
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: What is that about?

1163
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 6: Lord?

1164
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 3: Okay? So I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm choosing my

1165
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: words intentionally. If you are someone, let's say, I believe

1166
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 3: everything to Wanna has ever shown us, and I'm not

1167
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 3: putting on my my equ hat. Right, If you are

1168
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: someone who's like the stick in the ground, is that

1169
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 3: I am the caring one. I'm the one who makes

1170
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: sure that everything that happens is okay, people have what

1171
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 3: they needed. There's a crisis, I'm your girl, right, I'm

1172
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 3: your girl. Crisis, I'm your girl. Tawanda Braxman, how is

1173
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 3: it that you are at what I still call the

1174
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: party city bridgeton a bridal thing and you get a

1175
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: call from Tony Braxton saying, Angie Stone has just passed away.

1176
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: Half of my band was on that bus with her.

1177
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to rework everything and have extra rehearsals

1178
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: to make up for this epic tragedy, the loss of

1179
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 3: a friend and now the disparaging of what's gonna supposed

1180
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: to be having on my show. And your first thought, as

1181
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: the helpful one who kids about people, right, the compassionate one,

1182
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 3: is I'm annoyed that you can't come to my party.

1183
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 3: And for me, there's these moments where Tuanda's selfishness, the

1184
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 3: part of her who wants to be constantly whatever the

1185
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: mass slips off. That was a mass slip off moment

1186
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: for me. If I got a call from Tony D.

1187
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 3: Braxton saying that Angie Stone has passed away and half

1188
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 3: the band it was going to be in my show

1189
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: and so I have to do rehearsals. Fuck Bridgington. In

1190
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 3: that moment, I would be worried about my sister and

1191
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: the tragedy that just happened. There's a selfishness that keeps

1192
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 3: poking out this season that I think the audience doesn't

1193
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: have the language, but it's putting a bad taste in

1194
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 3: their mouth because they feel bamboozled because they used to

1195
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 3: love her. I're bullying, but I do agree that they're

1196
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 3: responding to something that is a massive is slipping and

1197
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 3: everybody takes some kind of responsibility for that sum and

1198
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 3: that alone disgusted me.

1199
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 5: Do you think it's selfishness, like just pure selfishness, or

1200
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 5: do you feel like she's always like okay, she's probably.

1201
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 4: Feeling like the middle sisters. I feel like the invisible ones.

1202
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 5: Right, You've got Tony Braxon and you've got Tamar Braxen. Right,

1203
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 5: they get the most attention, they have the most wealth.

1204
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 5: It's about them. It's it's them, right, And you're the

1205
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 5: one that feels overlooked. You're already addressed how she probably

1206
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 5: isn't like the attractive one all that other stuff that

1207
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 5: goes along with that, right, And yeah, probably some selfishness,

1208
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 5: but also what about me? She probably always feels like

1209
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 5: an act thought, always feels kind of cast aside, always

1210
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 5: feels like she's.

1211
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 4: You know, you can like not show up to her.

1212
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 6: Shit.

1213
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to be not double's advocate, but I'm

1214
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 5: just trying to think about how.

1215
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 3: She's an advocate for this. And the answer to your

1216
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 3: question is you just describe selfish with three different languages.

1217
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 3: It's all selfish. So one of the things we teach

1218
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 3: in class is that people pleasers are liars because being

1219
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 3: a people pleaser means I'm gonna do whatever it takes

1220
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 3: to be liked. Oh, so the premise is already selfish.

1221
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do whatever it takes to be Like whenever

1222
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 3: a client says to me, blue, my heart is so big,

1223
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: my heart is so big, I'm so generous, I'm so loving,

1224
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 3: nobody's ever there for me. I'm Jesus Christ. I'm about

1225
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 3: to levitate. I say, those are all pretty ways of

1226
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 3: saying you suck at setting boundaries, take responsibility. And so

1227
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 3: the thing about Twanda is I understand that she loves

1228
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 3: her family. I think they all love each other, which

1229
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 3: is why they're in so much pain. But even that,

1230
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 3: the feet is story of it's oh well, how come nobody?

1231
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 3: That's part of the selfish I'm sorry. You have to

1232
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: get to a point where you have to say, what's

1233
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 3: about me? It's going to be about me, what's about you?

1234
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 3: It's going to be about you. And I know how

1235
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 3: to advocate to get what I need. But when you

1236
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 3: constantly let people rely on you and don't ask for

1237
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 3: what you want until you are complaining and holding it

1238
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 3: against their head, there's a thing called fog, fear, obligation,

1239
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 3: and guilt. Tuanta lives fog. Anything you do for Towanda

1240
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 3: is because you're scared of that narrative. She is wielding

1241
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 3: it above you. Trina's family was going through their own

1242
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 3: thing with a husband having some cardiovascular issues. She was

1243
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 3: worried that her husband could die of a cardiac arrest

1244
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: and she still didn't feel safe enough to tell Towanda

1245
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 3: because of that very narrative. That narrative is the loudest

1246
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 3: part of her selfishness. I'm gonna use this. Nobody's there

1247
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 3: for me to guilt you into doing things even when

1248
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 3: you ain't got it. You think, you know why when

1249
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 3: I don't have it, I don't advocate for myself. So

1250
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 3: when you don't have it, you're not allowed to advocate

1251
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 3: for yourself either. That is selfish.

1252
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 8: I mean, she's been saying that from I know, Claudia,

1253
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 8: you had mentioned that you just started watching this season,

1254
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 8: but people that have been watching film the beginning. Tuanta's

1255
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 8: been saying that for years. She's been I said, I

1256
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 8: don't want to say using that. I don't want to

1257
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 8: say using that right, but she's been saying that for years,

1258
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 8: that she's always there for everybody.

1259
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 6: Ain't nobody there for her.

1260
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: She also said it another country off Dustin.

1261
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: She did set on my podcast because Dustin was going

1262
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: viral on TikTok.

1263
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: I asked her. I said, people.

1264
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: Think you're you're the real villain, and well, people are

1265
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: clocking they're saying instead of saying, no, I'm not the villain.

1266
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: Or yes I am, they're saying. Towanda's response to Carlos

1267
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: King was, well, if I'm the villain, how am I

1268
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: the most reliable?

1269
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: How how I was?

1270
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: How am I the villain when I offered to carry

1271
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: Tamar's baby as a sarrogate? How am I the villain

1272
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: when I'm the one everyone calls them when they need something?

1273
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 2: So these are.

1274
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 3: Things constantly, She's constantly weaponizing her virtue. That is selfish

1275
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 3: and it is manipulative. Objectively speaking, this is not personal

1276
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: for me either, guys, to me these right Although I

1277
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 3: did see Tony Braxton a couple of weeks ago. She's

1278
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 3: very tiny, and she smells good but like and it

1279
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 3: was a room full of R and B singers and

1280
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 3: she's still Tony D. Braxton in a room.

1281
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: When she walk up that boat and the purple is

1282
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 1: there's something even when she got up in Tamar's face

1283
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: and she there is something about her.

1284
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 4: She has that.

1285
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 2: She she has the eye the t like she just

1286
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: she has it.

1287
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: But it's one thing to have it in the rim

1288
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: of celebrity. What I find fascinating is she has it

1289
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: in the family to me and that and that I

1290
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: think that's the thing that I can't put my fingers

1291
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: on because even when you talk about let's just say,

1292
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: for the argument of another family, the Jackson's and the Kardashians, right,

1293
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson obviously gonna be.

1294
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: King of pop.

1295
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: But what I found so fascinating by, you know, listening

1296
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: to their stories and watching their you know, biography and

1297
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that, that family never really kissed up to Michael,

1298
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was sort of like,

1299
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: that's Michael or that's Jen and we call her we

1300
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: call her Dunk because she had she had a big butt.

1301
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 1: We call her Dunk. On the Kardashians, the running joke

1302
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: is Chem is Chris favorite, right, because I mean she is.

1303
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,479
Speaker 1: But those sisters you saw it Courtney, Courtney has time

1304
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: for Kim like she has time for her, Yes, but.

1305
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: Those sisters don't bow down to Kim.

1306
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 4: Well.

1307
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: I find fascinating about the Braxton's dynamic is there is

1308
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: this halo over Tony that we see as fans. But

1309
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating that I feel like they see

1310
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: it too as sisters or.

1311
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 5: That's like that's kind of like maybe I'm not articulating

1312
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 5: my point as as good, but I do feel like, yes,

1313
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 5: we can sit here and say all the things that

1314
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 5: this one's doing wrong and that one was everyone, But

1315
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 5: I just.

1316
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 4: Try to think about how they feel.

1317
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 5: May not be right or wrong, but like the Origin

1318
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 5: story right in your in everyone's mind, you're not doing

1319
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 5: the wrong because you have your reasons of why you

1320
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 5: behave like that, why it's selfish, whatever it is.

1321
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 4: But if you're always.

1322
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 5: Seeing someone bow down to this one and then the

1323
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 5: young one comes on that you didn't bank on, like

1324
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 5: Blue said, then she blows the fuck up. I think

1325
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 5: she feels a little insignificant. I think she feels a

1326
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 5: little invisible. So her thing be yes, I will find

1327
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 5: my lane here. I gotta find my lane somewhere. That's

1328
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 5: what it looks like to me. Yes, I didn't have

1329
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 5: the the the the long years of watching.

1330
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 4: I'm just looking.

1331
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 5: I'm coming in as a fresh pair of eyes with them.

1332
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 5: What I think is damn like I've been invisible. I

1333
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 5: feel invisible a whole life. I kind of got closed

1334
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 5: with the group that didn't work out for me.

1335
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 4: And then you know, like.

1336
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 5: I'm sure we should have never heard about the allegations

1337
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 5: of Tamar allegedly stealing a man, and we should actually

1338
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 5: equally have never heard about I pay your phone bill

1339
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 5: and even stealing from me. That should have been some shit.

1340
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 5: They protect each other. I feel like that was I

1341
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 5: hated seeing that on television. I hated that like that.

1342
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 5: It's hard to get over. Like it's an episode to us,

1343
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 5: it's their life to them, and that's just gotta hurt,

1344
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

1345
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 3: Responsibility though, Claudia, what you said was perfect. I think

1346
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 3: you have done a great job of empathizing with how

1347
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: she got here. My issue is, at fifty something years old,

1348
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: what comes next. It's not to you, but it's your

1349
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 3: responsibility to do something about it, and you have not

1350
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 3: done anything about it in twelve years. At a certain point,

1351
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: you're lazy.

1352
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 4: Now, well, I'm only five episodes in. I'll let you know.

1353
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: I gotta, I got, I got, I gotta, I got

1354
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: a big question. I got a big question for you

1355
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: for all of them.

1356
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 4: Actually, maybe.

1357
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 2: You know we all do. That's why you know we

1358
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 2: all feel bad for them.

1359
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: That's why Destin said, there's some real black family stuff,

1360
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: like we all we all understand how bad it is,

1361
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,839
Speaker 1: but look, we have a job to do. We're recapping

1362
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: the episode. But we're doing it in a way that's

1363
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: thought provoking the biggest question of the evening to me

1364
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: that I want all of us to talk about, because yes,

1365
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: we talked about Tawanda the the sort of title that

1366
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: the world is giving her as the real villain. We

1367
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: talked about Tony the superstar. Well we haven't talked about that.

1368
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: I think needs at least another couple of minutes to

1369
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: talk about. Is the underdog being another superstar. One thing

1370
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are saying, and obviously Tamar

1371
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: intimated this in the conversation about you all jealous of me,

1372
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: this grammy throat and all this stuff I did, right, No, no, no, right.

1373
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 3: So that's their culture. We've watched they collectively fight nasty

1374
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 3: like that and it's icky.

1375
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: So I gotta the biggest question I have is this,

1376
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: And I did ask Tamar this on when I did

1377
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: my live interview. Tamar, Okay, when Ellie re picked Tony,

1378
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: you're the superstar and I'm gonna throw all this money

1379
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: at you to make you one.

1380
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: And no shade to Ellie Reid, he did that, like

1381
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: he he We all say.

1382
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: Even forty years later, there's something about Tony Bracks that

1383
01:09:58,760 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: You're just like.

1384
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 2: Gee, she's she's that girl. She has it.

1385
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: They they were background fingers on the Summer Whole Day's video.

1386
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: This is her first album, guys, Okay, they were her

1387
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: background singers. Right years later, Tamar advanced, do this reality show.

1388
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: It's the bracton family values. We're all watching it because

1389
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: we love Tony and we're all giving her sisters a chance.

1390
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 2: The audience sees Tamar Braxton, and I'll speak for myself.

1391
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: I saw that show and said, Tony, I'm gonna play

1392
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: the Lee bra album against this.

1393
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 2: But who who is this?

1394
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: Everybody said, right, I'm like this, this one is somebody

1395
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: that I know for a fact in high school.

1396
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 2: We've been best friends.

1397
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: And then not only was her personality a star her

1398
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: first not her first album, but the album that came

1399
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: after the first couple of seasons was Us, a Grammy

1400
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: nominated album. So my question is, with the sisters appearing

1401
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: to always put this halo over Tony, did did they

1402
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: not have enough to give any more when their baby's

1403
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: sister became.

1404
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 2: A big star too.

1405
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 6: And and and and and.

1406
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: Are they dealing are they dealing with?

1407
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: We we know what it felt like to give it

1408
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: to Tony okay, but damn now Tamar has it.

1409
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 9: Is that is that what we're seeing displaying today, No

1410
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 9: yes and no right yes in the sense of they

1411
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 9: arrived at that point, but the only piece missing, and

1412
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 9: that you lay it out beautifully by the way, Carlos.

1413
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 8: But the only thing, the only piece that I would

1414
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 8: add is that by the time the Rexton Family values

1415
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 8: came into you know, their world, Tamar did gain you know,

1416
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 8: stardom from that show, but there had also been years

1417
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 8: of occurrences prior to that. So the difference in the

1418
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 8: two is they put the halo over Tony's head when

1419
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 8: she got picked by La Reed back in the day.

1420
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 8: Then Tony becomes famous, they're now the sisters of the

1421
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 8: famous one, and a whole bunch of shit happens over

1422
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 8: the years that makes.

1423
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 6: Them not like Tamar.

1424
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 8: And then they get into and mind you along that time,

1425
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 8: she marries Vince, who has means, so now she has

1426
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 8: access to her own financial resources to live a great life,

1427
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 8: you know, which only drew her closer to Tony because

1428
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 8: now you know, they can kick it and do things

1429
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 8: without Tony having to be responsible for everything. Naturally, they

1430
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 8: gravitated towards each other. So then then the show blows

1431
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 8: up and now Tamar has the stardom element as well,

1432
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 8: but they don't feel like she deserves it because of

1433
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 8: all the shit that happened over the years that they

1434
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 8: feel like she was at fault for.

1435
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 6: So I think that's the difference.

1436
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 8: When Tony got platformed or pedestal amongst the sisterhood, right,

1437
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 8: she he was still young and innocent. When Tamar got

1438
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 8: the superstardom from the television show, she was a grown

1439
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 8: ass woman who they felt had been mistreating them for years,

1440
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 8: and so they really were upset that she they allegedly

1441
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 8: they may it makes sense to assume that they would

1442
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 8: have been upset because they didn't feel like she deserved

1443
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 8: the benefits the stardom, the attention, her being lauded and

1444
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 8: heralded out of amongst all of them, right, But that's

1445
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 8: exactly what happened. So I think that's the difference between

1446
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 8: the two situations, with both of those sisters becoming the

1447
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 8: stars out of the fray. I think the difference is

1448
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 8: they wasn't mad at Tony when it happened to her,

1449
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 8: and they've been pissed at Tamar for so long when

1450
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 8: it happened to her that there is an inherent resentment there.

1451
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 8: There is a part of them that appears to feel

1452
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 8: like she don't deserve the benefits of what she's getting.

1453
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 5: And once you have resentment towards someone, the last thing

1454
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 5: you want to see is for them to blow up

1455
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 5: in your face. That's the last thing you want to see,

1456
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 5: sister or not, you're like, oh, like yeah, I think that's.

1457
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 3: There's only one caveat that I want to put, like

1458
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 3: an agree, I would change the person who mistreated them

1459
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 3: to the person who embarrassed them. I don't think it

1460
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 3: was Tamar bad things. I think they got comfortable seeing

1461
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 3: her as the embarrassing sister who was the punchline of

1462
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 3: a bunch of jokes. We see you as a clown,

1463
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 3: We clown you as the stereotypical loud too much because

1464
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 3: to it herself. I'm embarrassed by Tamar. I'm embarrassed by her,

1465
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,480
Speaker 3: and Tony is the superstars the superstars.

1466
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 1: Embarrassing that that that it was embarrassment.

1467
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 3: Tamar wasn't doing these dastly deeds. She was being annoying.

1468
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 3: That is her greatest in my family. And to add

1469
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 3: to that, that's when Tam.

1470
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: That's when Tony said in last week's episode Paying for

1471
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: PR that your your your actions online, I have to

1472
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 1: pay a publicist embarrassed me.

1473
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 3: And I think that you know why. Embarrassment means I'm

1474
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 3: being myself and we're incompatible because you find who I

1475
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 3: am annoying. Mistreatment means I am a villain or I

1476
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 3: am doing things that are dastardly. I don't think Tamar

1477
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 3: was doing dastardly things. I think what's happening is she

1478
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 3: is grating to their nerves. They find out said that

1479
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 3: she's grading to their nerves right. She does things like

1480
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 3: she'll start singing. There's the thing I want you guys

1481
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 3: to learn about called gray rocking. Gray rocking is what

1482
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 3: happens when someone is trying to be narcissistic around you

1483
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 3: or make you feel like shit, and you completely shut

1484
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 3: down being emotional and you detach yourself right Like, let's

1485
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 3: say your parents are cussing you out. You're like, Mama,

1486
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 3: I love you, Stop yelling, Mama, I love you, Mom.

1487
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 3: I'm here to take I'm here to visit you at

1488
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 3: the facility. Please stop. You do. Gray rocking as the

1489
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 3: way to stay centered and not engage even if you

1490
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 3: feel like you're being dehumanized or mistreated. Guess what Tamar's

1491
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 3: gray rocking is. She sings. Tamar feels as if she

1492
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 3: is under attack. She literally will close her eyes, start

1493
01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 3: talking to God and start singing to somebody abby who

1494
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 3: was untrained. That seems like she's being annoying and dismissive

1495
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 3: in this field. She's actually gray rocking to steady herself.

1496
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 3: It's something that happens in the moment where you feel

1497
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 3: triggered and you're trying to make sure that you don't

1498
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 3: do something that's gonna get you.

1499
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 8: Arrested than that friend, because think about it, Think back

1500
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 8: and think about that scene back in then you've been

1501
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 8: watching it.

1502
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 6: You get it blue.

1503
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 8: Remember when Tamar went around the table like your man

1504
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 8: don't work, yo, man, I want to.

1505
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 7: Do here we go, okay, young man a cheata young man,

1506
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 7: a computer with cheat, young man, make money.

1507
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 2: Off of you. I said this one by here he different.

1508
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 6: Now she did that. Oh yeah, let's give that was.

1509
01:16:53,479 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: Emmy award winning or sorry, Tony, something not only some

1510
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: you deserve it in this bar.

1511
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 8: Now that's the only piece I would add because I

1512
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 8: agree she does get on their nerves, right, But I

1513
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 8: think that they also feel that in addition to getting

1514
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 8: on their nerves, she has been harmful.

1515
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 6: To them in a way that was on camera.

1516
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 8: Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like you tried like

1517
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 8: you're trying to embarrass me. You going there about personal matters.

1518
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 8: She knew that they money went up as high as hers,

1519
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 8: and she would call their niggas broke on the show

1520
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 8: and all kinds of shit, like she would cross lines

1521
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:36,440
Speaker 8: habitually that people understood to be beyond disrespectful.

1522
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 6: And so I think it's a mix of both.

1523
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 3: I think it's what the poor of contention is. I

1524
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: think before the show she was embarrassing. I think when

1525
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 3: she got to the show and was being pushed aside

1526
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 3: or dismissed and realized that she was popular, that's when

1527
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 3: she could finally attack back. Guys, I think the timeline matters.

1528
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 3: I think when you are the this happened to me,

1529
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 3: and it's probably happened to you guys. Right, you're in

1530
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 3: a group and you could tell I'm the person in

1531
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 3: the group chat that people are probably not responding to.

1532
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 3: Like everybody else, we know who's the most popular person

1533
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 3: in the group chat. They say, Hiyody, oh girl, we

1534
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 3: missed you. My friend was just complaining about this last

1535
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 3: week somebody else in the group chat. Yo, here's a

1536
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 3: five paragraph about what I went through, and it's like, oh,

1537
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 3: everybody's read it.

1538
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 2: And when I'm doing.

1539
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 3: People used to leave on read in the group chat.

1540
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 3: Imagine we introduced three million new people to the group

1541
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 3: chat and suddenly they're responding to me. Now that they're

1542
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 3: finally responding to me, now I'm going to get my

1543
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 3: lick back, the chronological order matters.

1544
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 6: No, I don't know Blue. This is the only reason I'm.

1545
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,799
Speaker 3: Not saying she's perfect. What I'm saying is she finally

1546
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 3: had momentum. She's always been petty, but Petty's momentum is different.

1547
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 8: But she been had the moment on Blue because think

1548
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 8: about it, she married Vince, who is a superstar talent manager.

1549
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 8: It's pictures and video of her vacation and topless protecting

1550
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 8: Lady Gaga from being exposed to the properazic Caniraal.

1551
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:55,919
Speaker 3: I'm talking about money, We're talking about public.

1552
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 6: No, no, no, That's what I'm saying.

1553
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 8: Even with that right, as far as her being ignored

1554
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 8: in the group chests, so to speak, right, Tamar was

1555
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 8: best friends with Tiny for years. You know what I'm saying,

1556
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 8: Tamar has lots of long Claudia, you know, you just

1557
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 8: brought up Tiny tonight from back in the day, and

1558
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 8: that was that was way later in their friendship. They

1559
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 8: had been friends for years up to that point.

1560
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 4: I think that was like twenty eleven.

1561
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 8: And Tamar has always been She's always been Tony Braxton's

1562
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 8: baby sister who could sing who She always had this personality.

1563
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 8: We just didn't get introduced to it until Braxton Family Values.

1564
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 8: But behind the scenes, Tamar been kind of that girl

1565
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:36,560
Speaker 8: for a minute.

1566
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 6: So it's not like she was.

1567
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 8: Somewhere in a corner, you know what I'm saying where

1568
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 8: they was like, oh, that's just our annoying baby sister.

1569
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 6: No, Tamar was living, had a.

1570
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 8: Full life, ended up marrying rich, staying, and she was

1571
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 8: in the circles in the mix.

1572
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 6: She just wasn't on television.

1573
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,879
Speaker 8: And so I think that once the addition of agreeing

1574
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 8: with y'all right, once the addition of the television cameras

1575
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 8: came in, that was too much for some of them

1576
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 8: sisters to handle.

1577
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 6: That's what I believe.

1578
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 8: I believe it was fine until the rest of the

1579
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 8: world was privy to it. But I don't for one

1580
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,959
Speaker 8: second think that Tamar was somewhere being an ignored, feeble

1581
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 8: you know child that was and they got it and

1582
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 8: broke out.

1583
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 3: No, it's about currency, guys. Tamar wanted to be the

1584
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,919
Speaker 3: next Tony, and I think we have to not conflate

1585
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 3: what we know behind the scenes versus what the audience knows,

1586
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 3: because it's a different currency. There are people Crowls contested

1587
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 3: this who are rich and famous in no celebrities who

1588
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 3: would give a path their fortune just to be known

1589
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 3: by the public. You cannot conflict the two, you cannot

1590
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 3: conflate them. And so what I'm saying is Tamar's currency

1591
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 3: wasn't what you just listed. Her currency was US. And

1592
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 3: the minute we got behind her, it put a battery

1593
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 3: in her pack and she finally started getting her look back,

1594
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 3: which was immature. Tamar retell you herself. She was immature,

1595
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 3: which was dispectful. Tama retell yourself. It was disrespectful. But

1596
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 3: even Macaudy was saying earlier, Tamar grew up in a

1597
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 3: fan where imagine, if you're going to an audition, right

1598
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 3: and dust, then you see three men who look just

1599
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 3: like you. Mm hm, You're like, well, I gotta be

1600
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 3: the best of these, the four of us, because they

1601
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 3: all look like me. Right, there's a competition that happens

1602
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 3: in an audition. Now what happens with the audition is

1603
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 3: against your brothers. Tamar has been taught since she was

1604
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 3: a child to be in competition with women who she

1605
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 3: shares blood with and has not felt safe. So when

1606
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 3: she means a Claudia Jordan, her first reaction is, I

1607
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 3: don't trust women, because even the women who look like

1608
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 3: me I can't trust. I'm definitely not gonna trust somebody.

1609
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 6: Else alike them. Braxtons lookike.

1610
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 8: You've seen strong Kwanda daughter and Ashley and type.

1611
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 6: They all look alike. You know what I'm saying.

1612
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 8: She had moved her hair back one time in one

1613
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 8: of them scenes, and I was like, she looks just

1614
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 8: like Ashley and Tamar. They all look alike. They're pretty family.

1615
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 8: They all look alike.

1616
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 3: I think currency is important, guys, because one of the

1617
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 3: things I will say is a lot of people in

1618
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 3: the industry know me. Less than one hundred people probably

1619
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 3: know me outside of the industry, Right, I'm the person

1620
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 3: who knows everybody behind the scenes, I don't know, so

1621
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 3: people are acting like I'm new. I'm years into my career.

1622
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 3: But because I stepped from producing to be in front

1623
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 3: of the camera, Now'm anukid on the block twenty one

1624
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 3: years into my That's what happens to tamor You know

1625
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 3: how I know because my old ass was listening to

1626
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 3: her first actual album in college. I was looking to

1627
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 3: Tamar's first album when I was in college in the

1628
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,919
Speaker 3: late nineties. And so I need you guys to understand

1629
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 3: that there's a Peter Pan happening with Tamar because I

1630
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 3: clocked Twanda at the clock Tamar. Tamar was having a

1631
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 3: second puberty at forty on camera that are knowingly immature,

1632
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 3: that are based on the stunted growth of for not

1633
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 3: being able to evolve behind the scenes in the way

1634
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 3: that was probably healthier. And I'm gonna say this, her

1635
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 3: mother stepping in could have changed this. There's a thing

1636
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 3: that happens with the mother. And this is not a blame.

1637
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 3: It's just talking about moments that were lost for her accountability.

1638
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 3: Her mother had said, Hey, I know Twanda that you

1639
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 3: and Tamar and Tony had that big melee. Let's have

1640
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 3: a conversation. I'm gonna bring all my girls together and

1641
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 3: we're going to talk. But instead of what is happening

1642
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 3: in this family is they're comfortable being in clusters. Oh,

1643
01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 3: Tamar is not talking, and so and so. So we're

1644
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 3: all come being in this corner? Was I talking? So

1645
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 3: and so? We're comfortable be in this corner. There there's

1646
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 3: a lack of rearing that these women still need in

1647
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 3: their forties and fifties, unfortunately, that they probaly didn't give

1648
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 3: when they were younger. And I honestly think that that

1649
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 3: Tony being a superstar so early is why the matriarchal

1650
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 3: role isn't coming away the way it needs to.

1651
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 4: What advice would you give to the mom?

1652
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 5: I know it's late now, forties and fifties, right, so

1653
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 5: it's like, you know a lot of tuff people should

1654
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 5: have been done, but moving forward to get to a

1655
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 5: better healthier place.

1656
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 4: If you could give advice to mom Evelyn, what would.

1657
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 5: You tell her, like if she could she go back

1658
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 5: and make repair some of this damage in the family

1659
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 5: that you're saying that you that you're that you.

1660
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 4: Think, what do you think? What would your advice to

1661
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 4: her be?

1662
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 3: That's a beautiful question and to be perfectly honest, and

1663
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 3: it's it's the same thing that I said about Tamar

1664
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 3: when you ask me, what could Tamar do? Acknowledgment? There's

1665
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 3: no safety without acknowledgment. If I'm gonna tell you right now,

1666
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to get emotional. If Twanda and Trina

1667
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 3: and Tony sat down with Tamar and said, you get

1668
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 3: on our nerves sometimes, and we've all said horrible things

1669
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 3: to each other, and we love you. We think you're

1670
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 3: deeply talented, and we are sorry for any pain we

1671
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 3: might have unintentionally caused you or made you feel unseen,

1672
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 3: Tamar would probably start sobbing because it would feel like

1673
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 3: her feelings were finally being acknowledged. I think what happens

1674
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 3: with all the sisters is they're all in pain in

1675
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: these little silos saying do you see me? Do you

1676
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 3: see me? Do you see me? No one ever gets acknowledged.

1677
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 3: On that I watched the whole thing over again before

1678
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 3: I came here. No one ever gets acknowledged. And when

1679
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 3: I was younger, I saw this thing on Oprah. Shout

1680
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 3: out to Oprah, and they said that all human beings

1681
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 3: walk around the world asking the same three questions, Do

1682
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 3: you hear me? Do you see me? Do I matter?

1683
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 3: Nobody on the rack Stents has ever said yes to

1684
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,520
Speaker 3: those questions to each other explicitly hear except for Tony,

1685
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 3: I hear you, I see you, and I matter. If

1686
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,719
Speaker 3: their mother was to sit them down and explain to them,

1687
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 3: there are no good guys or bad guys. There are

1688
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 3: moments where I might have failed you because I didn't

1689
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 3: army with the ability to show up for each other

1690
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 3: as sisters. Twanda, we love the fact that you take

1691
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 3: care of us. How about you stop being so transactional

1692
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 3: and just want to show up for you, tell us

1693
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 3: what you need and will create space for you. Trina,

1694
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 3: get rid of the Canadian accent. Tamar, I know you smissed, Tamar.

1695
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 3: I know you get dismissed a lot. You're not always wrong. Sometimes,

1696
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 3: even if you stay in a way that we don't like,

1697
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 3: you're not always wrong. Simply acknowledging impact has a very

1698
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 3: deep seated reaction in people's hearts. I've watched gang members

1699
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 3: who I used to work with back in the day

1700
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 3: talk about impact, and you see grown men crying because

1701
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 3: you finally see me. Tawanda and Tamar are both crying

1702
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 3: the same thing. Nobody sees me. Nobody sees me, Nobody

1703
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 3: sees me. Start with your mom, see them, see all

1704
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 3: of them, good and bad, rather than letting these archetypes persist.

1705
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 8: I also think everybody needs to realize they grown as hell,

1706
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 8: their kids growing as hell, and at a certain point,

1707
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 8: although you have baggage and issues from childhood, you got

1708
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 8: to fast.

1709
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 6: Forward to where you're at today with certain shit, right, Like.

1710
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 8: There are things that are immediately deserving of our attention.

1711
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying. I just had a conversation

1712
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 8: with my brother. Y'all know I talked to my brother

1713
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 8: every day. I had a conversation with him earlier this

1714
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 8: morning about some family shit, and we were just saying,

1715
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 8: how like yeah, but like today, you know what I mean,

1716
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 8: who are you? How do you show up in your

1717
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 8: relationships type shit? And that's the first thing they need

1718
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 8: to do. Then they need to sit in a padded

1719
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 8: room because as you can see, they might kick each other,

1720
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.

1721
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 6: So they need to be in a padded room.

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01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 8: And do exactly what Blue said, look at each other

1723
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 8: and just lay it the fuck out for real. That's

1724
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 8: what you got to do was resistant. I'm sorry, Claudia,

1725
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 8: but the mama was resistant to that. When they did

1726
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 8: that workshop with Iyanla on the show The Moms, Miss

1727
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,799
Speaker 8: Evelyn was resistant to be very resistant to Ianda helping.

1728
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 8: She refused to commit to the process and all of

1729
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 8: that kind of stuff. So I just think that that

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01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 8: coupled in with the religious idea of you know what

1731
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 8: I'm saying, you're in the church and there's a way

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01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 8: to do things and ship. I think there's been a

1733
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 8: lot of necessary conversations that simply haven't happened out of

1734
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 8: respect and out of an old way of doing things.

1735
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 8: So yeah, I'm with my girl Blue. There's just some

1736
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,919
Speaker 8: accountability that needs to be passed around, like orders.

1737
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 5: I think with this group though, outside of looking in,

1738
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 5: is who would go first? Because everybody feels like but me,

1739
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 5: but my pain, but I but me. I think it's

1740
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 5: never gonna happen. Honestly, I really.

1741
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 3: They're selfish Claudia to finally come around.

1742
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 5: I'm not saying they're not, but I'm just saying, like,

1743
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 5: it ain't just Tamar, I mean, it's not all of them.

1744
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 5: I feel like it's a little bit heavy anti Tijuana

1745
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 5: on this and more pro temar and I think everyone

1746
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 5: has a pain on this. And depending on who you

1747
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 5: talk to first, you know, I mean, oh yeah, she

1748
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 5: did that, you know what I mean? Whoever you say

1749
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 5: it down with and you hear hear from their mouth,

1750
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 5: it's gonna make sense to you, right. No, but she

1751
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 5: did this to me like it's who came what came first,

1752
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 5: the chicken or the egg. And I just feel like

1753
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 5: nobody would want to go first, to be the one

1754
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 5: to humble themselves, to say you know what, I see

1755
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 5: you and I understand and how I did you wrong

1756
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 5: or whatever.

1757
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 4: No one wants to do that, like we've seen this.

1758
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 5: Well, I'm new to this, but that is who that

1759
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 5: is the brave person, the one person who can.

1760
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 4: Come forward amongst those sisters and say it. Whether it's

1761
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 4: the mother or.

1762
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 5: The sisss, I will give them the ultimate props. Hopefully

1763
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 5: one of them does do it, and see.

1764
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 2: How it didn't.

1765
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 3: It didn't go well because here's the thing, and this

1766
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 3: is not I will say this. I'm not being team

1767
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 3: to Tamar. I'm being team counterbalancing the edit. The edit

1768
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 3: has heavy on one end, and my Gemini rising means

1769
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 3: if you're too heavy here leawers will understand. I gotta

1770
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 3: put it over here, right, So we're counterbalancing the edit

1771
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 3: that's making her seem like a one dimensional villain when

1772
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 3: she's actually an unsympathetic a victim. Right. We have to

1773
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 3: be careful, though. Tamar literally went on camera and said,

1774
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 3: I have been diagnosed with anxiety. I'm a medication. I've

1775
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 3: realized that a lot of my behaviors is because I

1776
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 3: am mentally unstable, and I'm working on my stability, and

1777
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 3: that's why I win. When Twanda said, well, I don't

1778
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 3: argue with sick people, That's what I'm saying is when

1779
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 3: you tell somebody I've been to the lady and she said,

1780
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 3: I'm not all the way rap tighte. They got me

1781
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,839
Speaker 3: on lexapro and a couple of other things. I'm realizing

1782
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 3: now that my mental is not the way it needs

1783
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 3: to be, and your family weaponized that against you. I

1784
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 3: don't know who's gonna go first, but it can't be

1785
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 3: Tamar now, simply because it's already been thrown back in

1786
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 3: her face.

1787
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: It has to be again. I hate to bring myself

1788
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: into it. It has to be Tony because the thing

1789
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: is this you clocked it blue. Early on in the episode,

1790
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: there is something about the oldest child being a woman.

1791
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: There's something because as yeah, it's like a second mother,

1792
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:57,839
Speaker 1: it really is. And on top of that, Tony Braxton

1793
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 1: is the only one that they all respect, even yeah,

1794
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: they listen to her.

1795
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 2: I think, Tony, next.

1796
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 1: Week, we'll do this next week, and please remind me,

1797
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: please remind me, so this is gonna be good. Typically,

1798
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: the oldest sister is the one who sawt of rallies

1799
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: the troops of the siblings.

1800
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 2: And calls shit out.

1801
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm forty six, and my oldest, my sister, who's the

1802
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 1: oldest of.

1803
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:28,480
Speaker 2: Ten, she's in her early fifties.

1804
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: Till this day, we all low keate listen to her

1805
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: when she holds court. I am curious, though, why Tony

1806
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 1: Braxton doesn't show up as that, because yes, we can

1807
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 1: talk about how we didn't like when Tamar said, and

1808
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: I agreed, right, my.

1809
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 2: Grammy throwing all this stuff and bragging them whatever.

1810
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I didn't like when Tony said,

1811
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm Tony Braxton.

1812
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 2: Don't fuck with a heavy hitter.

1813
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 1: Yes, like right, So I think I think Tony also

1814
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: has to show up not as the superstar who shows

1815
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: up with the bolt that doesn't move, but I'll take

1816
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 1: you child, I'll pay for it, but show up as

1817
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 1: the oldest sister who has to do the job of

1818
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: getting the girls back together.

1819
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 5: And I want to say, I don't think Tamar is

1820
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 5: the villain. I do not think Tamar is the villain.

1821
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 5: I will say, we can all make the other person

1822
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 5: feel like the victim, seem like the villain when we

1823
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 5: tell our side of the story. But I think they

1824
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 5: all weaponize things against each other. Yeah, we's Tony Braxton

1825
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 5: with I'm the Superstar, with Tamar putting her sister on

1826
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 5: blast about the bills and you being broke. We all

1827
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 5: know that she makes someone that was kind of wrong

1828
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 5: and with them when they with Tawana saying the thing

1829
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 5: about I don't talk to sick people. That was all

1830
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 5: fucked up. There's enough blame to go across the board.

1831
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 5: Nobody is innocent here, right, Yet no one does have

1832
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 5: to start it. I do think it needs to be

1833
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 5: Tony or the mama.

1834
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 3: I make sure it Matrich have.

1835
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 8: To do it, and and honestly, the person should do

1836
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 8: it is the damn brother because it's his daughter.

1837
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 2: That they run over him.

1838
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: That's my think about it, doesn't that's why he's never

1839
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: been on the show.

1840
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he want No, he's a nurse. He wants no

1841
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 2: parts of this. No, he's a nurse. He's like, I don't.

1842
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 3: Know, it's just I live.

1843
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: But I will say is next week, next week, rain drops,

1844
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 1: the four of us, we're gonna dissect the dynamic between

1845
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: Tony and Tamar because what what what happens when you

1846
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 1: are the superstar and somebody is on your heels?

1847
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:44,600
Speaker 6: What happens?

1848
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, you think you take that a that's a

1849
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 3: good question.

1850
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 2: It's a good question.

1851
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know what happens when you have been

1852
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: Harold did as the superstar and then all of a

1853
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 1: sudden you have your baby sisters on your heels, the

1854
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 1: annoying one.

1855
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 2: So we'll die out.

1856
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 4: That they also use her start them to like shut you, shut.

1857
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 5: You the hell up when they want to like sun

1858
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 5: you she's the superstar and you're like, okay, I don't

1859
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 5: count as much.

1860
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 4: Definitely a lot of.

1861
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 2: Little we'll dive into. We'll dive into that next week

1862
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,520
Speaker 2: in addition to the episode.

1863
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 3: But I was like, great, I didn't because you know,

1864
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 3: I got a lot of areas and tourists and shipp

1865
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,839
Speaker 3: in my chart, so I worried about scaring.

1866
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 6: People like.

1867
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 2: This was good, This was good. This is good. So

1868
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 2: Ray Johns, We'll be back next week.

1869
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 1: Claudia, dust It Blue, thank you for another amazing episode.

1870
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 6: Yes.

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01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,

1872
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie nim It in a partnership with the

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01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 1: Lack Effect Network. You can also find us on my

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01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 1: YouTube channel at the Carlos King Underscore