Speaker 1: Adam Carl Lone.
Speaker 2: She's a queen of talking, and so she's getting not
Speaker 2: afraid to feel this episode of soul.
Speaker 1: Just let it flow.
Speaker 2: No one can do we quiet Cary Lone.
Speaker 1: Is sound of carlund.
Speaker 3: Okay, Adam Mack is here and he shows up ready, ready,
Speaker 3: like a muffin. Have you put that? Okay? And not
Speaker 3: just in the house, I mean you, Oh no, wait
Speaker 3: is it working? Look, I'm in charge of my own electronics.
Speaker 3: That's always interesting. You are awesome and you rolled up
Speaker 3: with Ford Fairchild, the greatest photographer in Nashville, Tennessee, the.
Speaker 2: Goat of creative genius.
Speaker 3: I agree, right, Yes, Ford has done all of my podcasts,
Speaker 3: cover shoots, He has done my husband's a couple or
Speaker 3: one or two of their album covers. A thousand horses. Yes,
Speaker 3: I mean that's just me personal. I also just love everything.
Speaker 3: And he's done your stuff all like the.
Speaker 2: Last year of my life has been basically covered in
Speaker 2: Ford Fairchild's magic.
Speaker 3: Good for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, lucky me.
Speaker 3: Lucky you know what. That's what I love about Nashville.
Speaker 3: How cool is it to collaborate with creative people who
Speaker 3: you get in a room. Because I know this from Ford,
Speaker 3: and so I'm sure this is the way you guys are.
Speaker 3: You just start dreaming stuff up and then you actually
Speaker 3: turn it into reality. Yes, isn't that bananas?
Speaker 2: Sometimes we go too far, you gotta go you gotta
Speaker 2: know your edges, we do. You gotta go far too
Speaker 2: far so that then you know where the limit is exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's how I mean, honestly. Yeah. So yeah, we kind
Speaker 2: of did that last year with my album cover.
Speaker 3: We were just just go cowboy, yes, which is so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Thank you. So that album cover was actually a I
Speaker 2: had a friend of mine who's a graphic designer, draw
Speaker 2: me as a tarrort card for like when the single
Speaker 2: Disco Cowboy came out. So then when we were planning
Speaker 2: the album shoot, Ford was like, could do you think
Speaker 2: you could just like make that outfit and recreate that
Speaker 2: outfit in like a week and a half.
Speaker 3: And I was like, And that's another thing. It's always
Speaker 3: the last minute, right, Oh. Magic always happens in stressful moment.
Speaker 2: Yes, you you've got you've got to put the pressure
Speaker 2: on for for something beautiful to come out. Right, diamonds right,
Speaker 2: treasure diamonds, something on your pants to linstones, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: so and we did we we uh. The cover ended
Speaker 2: up being like a replica of like a real life
Speaker 2: what is it Dick's Disney Live action version of the
Speaker 2: Terror card was what we came up with, and it
Speaker 2: was freaking cool.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, And for this is your first management position,
Speaker 3: right second time, just come up here for a second.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have just for one second, came here, just
Speaker 3: for one second, Come here, come here, come here. Just
Speaker 3: don't sit on Ruby though. Okay, so Ford Ford is
Speaker 3: the only uh well actually you're not the only other
Speaker 3: guy with son Michael who has seen me without clothes on.
Speaker 3: But like you took pictures of me nude when I
Speaker 3: was pre married because I wanted to do a bood
Speaker 3: wash shoot and never forget when I was feeling myself
Speaker 3: and Ford did it.
Speaker 4: Yep, and yeah, and we were like we were doing
Speaker 4: the cover, the very first cover of this podcast, and
Speaker 4: then yeah, yeah, and of course I'm just trying to
Speaker 4: like make sure it's the most cinematic thing ever. I
Speaker 4: wanted to be so extra and so I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I was in that mode and then Caroline
Speaker 4: hits me up and it's like, hey, so I'm never
Speaker 4: gonna look this hot ever again. And I want to
Speaker 4: do a boudoir shoot and give it to Michael for Christmas.
Speaker 4: Right was something and I was like, okay, cool and
Speaker 4: then off the shirt.
Speaker 2: Case tits out, it's out, tit's off for sure.
Speaker 4: But and we of course we did like haste fool
Speaker 4: old school playboy vibes, like like a lot of skin
Speaker 4: in like white sheets, and it was so sexy and
Speaker 4: so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I mean, like look at her, you know it was.
Speaker 2: It was insane.
Speaker 3: But then Ford thought that I was just such a
Speaker 3: natural this that he called me to do another shoot
Speaker 3: for like a brand to lay in sheets, and I
Speaker 3: almost did it again. Then I hated it off to
Speaker 3: someone who's actually really good at it. I can't remember
Speaker 3: you like that that. I just like love to do
Speaker 3: this so much that I should do it like in
Speaker 3: front of other people.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it was for it was for a
Speaker 4: lyric video for some crazy pop artists.
Speaker 2: What that is so crazy? Like soft porn model. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I forgot all about that.
Speaker 3: Oh, but I just love that you were like so
Speaker 3: confident in my ability to like do this publicly.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, for no, oh, this is supposed to
Speaker 2: be a Christmas present. I don't know. I forgot all
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 4: I forgot all about that, and I think that that
Speaker 4: whole thing got scrapped anyways, so it wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 2: But anyways, I'm gonna let you all go have fun.
Speaker 3: We love you, Ford and Ruby's here. Ruby is she
Speaker 3: was born to love. Okay, so Adam, let's talk about
Speaker 3: your life. You grew up. Wait, it's either Arkansas Alabama.
Speaker 2: Neitheruy, dang it.
Speaker 3: Okay. I'm like, it's so funny that I interview people
Speaker 3: because I have the memory of a squirrel saying like,
Speaker 3: I can't remember anything. I have everything written down. And
Speaker 3: then I try to go off because oh I got this,
Speaker 3: and then I'm like, oh, yeah, you're from Hawaii.
Speaker 2: How's your mom?
Speaker 3: I did that. I did that. No, I did that
Speaker 3: on an interview. I am not kidding. I just did
Speaker 3: that recently on an interview. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: so you lived through some trauma your dad passed away,
Speaker 3: and she's like, nope, nope, Dad's not dead, very alive.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Jade, ept you were supposed to line of me?
Speaker 2: Holy shit? Oh wait, can I cuss?
Speaker 3: Will?
Speaker 2: You just you can just cut Okay, great, love it
Speaker 2: because I do.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I mean maybe I try not to like
Speaker 3: cuss like every other work.
Speaker 2: So I just it just will happen, Okay, totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you go. I mean, cussing is
Speaker 3: just a part of accentuating the conversation. Ruby is cussing
Speaker 3: in her own way right now. Somebody's outside anyway, Adam, So,
Speaker 3: welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 3: Very professional over here.
Speaker 2: Hey, I love Hey, we love chaos. Yeah, the theme
Speaker 2: is we love chaos.
Speaker 3: That's the theme. I didn't know that was our theme,
Speaker 3: but I'm glad to know of our new friendship. Okay, great, great, great, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love it. You know, every time Ford rolls up, though,
Speaker 3: I immediately feel chaotic in a great way. And no
Speaker 3: surprise that you do too. But it makes me like excited.
Speaker 2: It's like chaotic good whatever they call that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like chaos, like activating, like oh, let's go
Speaker 3: do something awesome. Yes, because you really activate creativity, for
Speaker 3: you're a creativity activator. When you are around, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're about to do something fun.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's go right now. We'll be right back after this.
Speaker 3: Well, and you know what I think that is. I
Speaker 3: just look back to being in this town and the
Speaker 3: creative town and all that. It is so cool to
Speaker 3: get to just like be with people and you never
Speaker 3: know what's going to happen, create stuff, push the limits,
Speaker 3: and then land where you want to land.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, like finding your people and you really find like
Speaker 2: your people who get you and see the same visions
Speaker 2: that you have and share. That's us. That was kind
Speaker 2: of like when we really started working together, we really
Speaker 2: clicked and we're like, oh my god, this is going
Speaker 2: to be freaking crazy, and it has been. Okay. So
Speaker 2: you're from Kentucky, from Kentucky, Russellville, Kentucky, small little town hour,
Speaker 2: you love your town.
Speaker 3: You wrote your song wait what the song called the.
Speaker 2: One that Got Away or that Ain't Country.
Speaker 3: The One that Got Away and no, and that Ain't Country.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so That Ain't Country was kind of like
Speaker 2: a response to when I put the Disco Cowboy music
Speaker 2: video out. It premiered with CMT and was like my
Speaker 2: first CMT moment.
Speaker 3: They you know, it went to like number one or
Speaker 3: two or something. Number one all the way, yeah, all
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 2: I mean to start at the top and so obviously,
Speaker 2: look in this fabulous comes with its own set of
Speaker 2: challenges and hurdles. So that was my lesson on not
Speaker 2: reading comments. Have you ever had that lesson?
Speaker 3: You know, I have played so neutral my whole life
Speaker 3: and been such a people pleaser that I have avoided
Speaker 3: a lot of harsh comments intentionally. And then I got
Speaker 3: into a life coach about two years ago, and I
Speaker 3: realized I am a high functioning, codependent people pleaser, and
Speaker 3: I've been working on that, and so I have probably
Speaker 3: gotten more negativity in the past few years than before.
Speaker 3: But also I'm just practicing being more comfortable with people
Speaker 3: not agreeing with everything I say. And I don't have
Speaker 3: to agree. I don't have to agree with everything anybody says.
Speaker 3: And I'm actually pushing myself, like with my interviews, to
Speaker 3: have realer conversations because everyone's so afraid to have real conversations.
Speaker 3: But like, we don't all have to agree on everything,
Speaker 3: but we can still like have a ball, love each other.
Speaker 2: Right, or find a middle ground middle ground. We can
Speaker 2: we can coexist in a.
Speaker 3: Way that nobody's You don't have to be best friends
Speaker 3: with everybody. We don't have time for that.
Speaker 2: I want to be no new friends, honestly, like you're
Speaker 2: the last one. Thank you. I'm on it today. You're
Speaker 2: the last new friend.
Speaker 3: God in there. I love it when I make the cut,
Speaker 3: like especially in the nick of time.
Speaker 2: Yes, so so. A lot of the comments on that
Speaker 2: disco cowboy video were quite literally that ain't country. This
Speaker 2: this country music. So I just, like I said, let
Speaker 2: me just take that and I'm going to write a
Speaker 2: song about what is country, Like how people from the
Speaker 2: country act, who love each other and treat each other well,
Speaker 2: who respect their neighbor and love their neighbor, like all
Speaker 2: the things that I'm from, my hometown and my small
Speaker 2: town living, like the people in my town show up
Speaker 2: for me, they support me, they love me regardless of all.
Speaker 2: Love this, you know, and that song, really, that song
Speaker 2: really has been like a journey even to like put
Speaker 2: it out and to see the response and see people
Speaker 2: in other small towns who are queer or other or
Speaker 2: different and feel like, oh my gosh, I'm not so
Speaker 2: alone in this tiny town where I thought everyone hated me.
Speaker 3: You know, why do you think it comes across as
Speaker 3: people hating you?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's well, some of it
Speaker 2: is Some of it just point blank is hate, and
Speaker 2: it is people who don't who've never seen anything like
Speaker 2: me before, or challenge the traditional stereotype of what a
Speaker 2: man in country music looks and sounds like and sings about.
Speaker 2: So I know that I ruffle some feathers and that's cool.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm just here to exist and thrive and
Speaker 2: love myself and whoever wants to be on the journey
Speaker 2: with me, You're welcome if you don't.
Speaker 3: How has the journey to getting to the spot been
Speaker 3: for you? Has it been a long yes? Have you
Speaker 3: always loved yourself?
Speaker 2: No? Do we do a second?
Speaker 3: You're so confident in it now?
Speaker 2: Is anyone born loving their self? Because I'm so confused.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do that to my daughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. We talked about that.
Speaker 3: Yes, but we're probably gonna overcompensate and they're gonna have
Speaker 3: all sorts of problems that we can't foresee.
Speaker 2: It's fine, Yeah, it's fine. You're doing the best you can. No, So, no,
Speaker 2: I haven't. I grew up very closeted, very religious, very much.
Speaker 3: Do you always know you're gay?
Speaker 2: Always?
Speaker 3: Always?
Speaker 2: Maybe? Since like five years old? Like, how did you
Speaker 2: because I just knew that the Red Power Ranger made
Speaker 2: me feel something different. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Is the Red Power Okay, like you liked that one
Speaker 3: of the.
Speaker 2: Best, Yes, and like wanted to be best friends with
Speaker 2: the pink Power Ranger. We're really going through this But no, no,
Speaker 2: I mean, like.
Speaker 3: So Power Rangers were the first moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my gay awakening. Okay, Okay, No, I mean, like
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just knew that I didn't really
Speaker 2: have like the same things that all of my guy
Speaker 2: friends liked, you know what I mean. But then very
Speaker 2: quickly learned through indoctrination that how I was feeling was
Speaker 2: not acceptable or permitted.
Speaker 3: What does indoctrination mean?
Speaker 2: Like the religion that I grew up in was just
Speaker 2: like this is the way that we are going to
Speaker 2: be and that's not okay.
Speaker 3: So what age was that.
Speaker 2: Oh, around the same age, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It was like around this same age five to eight
Speaker 2: when I started feeling like something isn't really clicking here.
Speaker 2: I also was being taught all of these things about
Speaker 2: like gay people and homosexuality being a sin and that
Speaker 2: you're gonna burn in hell and like that. So I
Speaker 2: went through like my whole childhood, very closeted, very insecure,
Speaker 2: very much like questioning how I was being presented to
Speaker 2: the world, constantly having that through high school, which you know,
Speaker 2: we don't need high schoolers don't need any extra reasons
Speaker 2: to feel insecure, am I right?
Speaker 3: High school is really something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it wasn't until after high school, after I
Speaker 2: moved to Nashville, which I moved to Nashville in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: So I've been here, however, along that math.
Speaker 3: Is how old are twelve?
Speaker 2: Twenty two?
Speaker 3: Twenty two?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, so you moved here, right? Did you go to
Speaker 3: college or go straight to.
Speaker 2: Big to college for one semester Western Kentucky University that well,
Speaker 2: because I did not pass.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe you didn't need college.
Speaker 2: You know, clearly clearly college could not teach me what
Speaker 2: I needed to know. No, I mean, like I did try.
Speaker 2: That was like the thing, the thing that was supposed
Speaker 2: to uh we were all supposed to do. Listen.
Speaker 3: I get that. I had a timeline too, like a
Speaker 3: visible timeline. You go to high school, you graduate, you
Speaker 3: go to college, then you kind of like find it
Speaker 3: And it's not like anyone put this on me. It's
Speaker 3: just what the timeline was right, and then you graduate
Speaker 3: and then you should probably start finding someone to settle
Speaker 3: down with, get a career, get like some stability lined up, somehow,
Speaker 3: have some kids by the time you're definitely by the
Speaker 3: time you're thirty. I mean, if not thirty, then it's over.
Speaker 2: It's over right. No, No, life is just begun.
Speaker 3: I know. And I did it all out of order
Speaker 3: and not in any kind of particular. I loved it
Speaker 3: any of it, Yeah, but I get that, but it
Speaker 3: is hard to break out of that timeline when you
Speaker 3: feel like there is all this pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and it took me leaving Russellville, like removing
Speaker 2: myself from it and experiencing a whole new world. I
Speaker 2: mean I had never.
Speaker 3: Left, and that was the one that got away. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's small town because those lyrics are pretty profound, saying
Speaker 3: like what if I how does the course go?
Speaker 2: So it's like I was the one that got away,
Speaker 2: the one that got out, left who I thought I
Speaker 2: ought to be back in that town. Basically, the idea,
Speaker 2: the concept, the concept for the song was like if
Speaker 2: I had stayed, if I had stayed in Russellville and
Speaker 2: not come out and not like chosen myself and to
Speaker 2: love myself. What would my life had looked like? And
Speaker 2: so it kind of just goes through that like what
Speaker 2: I've married a woman, would I have kids? Would I
Speaker 2: like still be trying to like fit into this mold
Speaker 2: that I thought I had to be put in in?
Speaker 2: So yeah, that song, that song is maybe one of
Speaker 2: the most special songs and.
Speaker 3: The one A boy like me about your mom. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: because your mom really it sounds like she really struggled
Speaker 3: with this and she didn't want you. She don't want
Speaker 3: you not to like for God's sake, it sounds like
Speaker 3: from the song.
Speaker 2: Well, I think because she also born and raised in Russellville,
Speaker 2: never left never really even like been out of the
Speaker 2: country like this, hasn't traveled a lot. Like really, all
Speaker 2: she knows is what she was taught until I came
Speaker 2: along and taught her a whole new way of living.
Speaker 3: But isn't that what our children do?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, and yours well too? Yeah, like uh but
Speaker 2: it was. It's it's crazy because you know, the journey
Speaker 2: that she has had has been just the most beautiful,
Speaker 2: inspiring she I mean, when I came out to her,
Speaker 2: it was not pretty. There were lots of tears, there
Speaker 2: were lots of loud voices, and she said a lot
Speaker 2: of hurtful things that she regrets. And it was maybe
Speaker 2: two weeks after that that she like called me and apologized. Luckily,
Speaker 2: my sister had like talked some sense into her and
Speaker 2: let her know that, you know, I was the same
Speaker 2: person that she loved growing up. She just knows a
Speaker 2: little bit more about who I actually am. And since then,
Speaker 2: which that was probably eleven years ago, she is just like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, the most proud mom. She is like
Speaker 2: the mom for all queer kids, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: She's like she wants to adopt every queer child whose
Speaker 2: parents have not accepted them. You know. So it's been
Speaker 2: really cool. And in writing that song, I just wanted
Speaker 2: to kind of like write her a love letter, a
Speaker 2: thank you for doing the work, going on the journey
Speaker 2: and loving her child regardless of anything else.
Speaker 3: You know, what, do you think her fear was.
Speaker 2: How people would treat me? For sure? She's told me
Speaker 2: that in hindsight, her fear, her fear came from how
Speaker 2: how the world would treat her son. She didn't want
Speaker 2: me to have to walk through this life as someone
Speaker 2: who was constantly a target for people to harass or
Speaker 2: hate or any of that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I think there was some fear of like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: gonna burn in hell in the in the beginning, and
Speaker 2: now she's kind of in a place where like, no,
Speaker 2: my God loves everyone. I know that God made you
Speaker 2: just the way that you're supposed to be. I think
Speaker 2: the last line in Boy Like Me is God doesn't
Speaker 2: make mistakes or something something like that. I don't know,
Speaker 2: and that is that is kind of her mo now
Speaker 2: is like God made you exactly who you're supposed to be,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna love you exactly the.
Speaker 1: Way you are.
Speaker 3: So how has she worked that into her faith? How
Speaker 3: has she balance?
Speaker 2: She Well, she does not go to church like like
Speaker 2: an organized like in a in a church. She kind
Speaker 2: of just like practices her faith with herself, which like.
Speaker 3: Is where faith is anyway, shouldn't it be?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, for sure, shouldn't it be? So yeah, that's
Speaker 2: really it.
Speaker 3: She has a true personal relationship with God that she
Speaker 3: has cultivated for herself for her life, and that's totally
Speaker 3: what we all have to do.
Speaker 2: And it's all love. Like her, her religion is love
Speaker 2: and that's what I say. My religion is too. My
Speaker 2: religion is love. Love everybody, treat people well, make people
Speaker 2: feel good. That's that's all that matters to me.
Speaker 3: So it's so interesting. I love hearing perspectives like yours,
Speaker 3: where you've had to like really step into something that
Speaker 3: was super uncomfortable. It was hard, it wasn't necessarily accepted
Speaker 3: where you were. So but you talk so fondly of
Speaker 3: your town and that ain't kind of tree and I
Speaker 3: know you love those people, but yet they have such
Speaker 3: different views. So we're coming out of such a heated
Speaker 3: time in the world. Yeah, how do we bridge that gap?
Speaker 3: Because obviously everyone has love at their core, and obviously
Speaker 3: everyone is trying to do it they think is right,
Speaker 3: but we're just missing the point. And everyone's missing some point,
Speaker 3: you know, because we're not all connecting. What do we
Speaker 3: need to do?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we need to unravel all of
Speaker 2: the things that we have been told that we're supposed
Speaker 2: to think about one another, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I mean I am truly a hillbilly at heart,
Speaker 2: Like truly I.
Speaker 3: Am truly just like what do you like to do
Speaker 3: as a hillbilly?
Speaker 2: I mean I grew up in field, going to field parties,
Speaker 2: riding four wheelers. I grew up on a farm, Like
Speaker 2: all of the all of the shit you would not
Speaker 2: see me doing today is how I grew up. Well, actually,
Speaker 2: I probably would actually still do all those yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: So I think that also is kind of uh. I
Speaker 2: always kind of think of it as my superpower because
Speaker 2: like I grew up as as like a very country
Speaker 2: hill billy running barefoot out in the woods kid. So
Speaker 2: I think I still carry a lot of that and
Speaker 2: a lot of my best friends, Like I still am
Speaker 2: friends with so many people from my hometown, like my
Speaker 2: core friend group growing up. So I kind of see
Speaker 2: that as part of my superpower. Like I see those
Speaker 2: people who typically don't align with who I am, and
Speaker 2: like see who they are, and I am who they are,
Speaker 2: and so it's like it's this weird balance of like, yes.
Speaker 3: I'm grace for people in other words.
Speaker 2: Absolutely grace and love like I love you.
Speaker 3: Someone probably but they probably have some traits that you
Speaker 3: adamantly disagree with absolutely and they probably feel the same way.
Speaker 3: But you can see the core of the.
Speaker 2: Good soul you. I do tend to see the good
Speaker 2: in people. I tend to lead with love and I
Speaker 2: just want to have a good time, Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'm like, uh was my enneogram seven, which is just
Speaker 2: like let's have a good time. If you're bringing the negative,
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta get out of here.
Speaker 3: But normally sevens are avoiding something.
Speaker 2: Well we'll get to that.
Speaker 3: Like normally sevens are wunning out of the good times
Speaker 3: and don't have to deal with the ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah well yeah a little bit.
Speaker 3: Sevens are the best.
Speaker 2: But the best, right, I mean I I am engaged
Speaker 2: to an eight, so it's.
Speaker 3: Like, oh man, you really found a balance. Yeah right,
Speaker 3: my dad's an eight. Really, don't mess around with an eight.
Speaker 3: They will get it done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is honestly, he's also like
Speaker 2: my co manager with Ford, Oh.
Speaker 3: Is he just like so efficient, so like when he
Speaker 3: gets it done, like don't get in his way, like
Speaker 3: he's going to make it happen. The Spreads Cats are great.
Speaker 3: Congratulations on this team. You needed him, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: but honestly, without him, none of this would actually come
Speaker 3: into existence because it would just be floating around in
Speaker 3: the stratgy.
Speaker 2: Exactly wonderful, exactly, No, it's truly execut. We've been together
Speaker 2: like seven and a half years, and it really my
Speaker 2: career hadn't really gained momentum until the last like probably
Speaker 2: four years, which in large part is because he is
Speaker 2: the grounding the he is the Okay, you've got great ideas, but.
Speaker 3: Let's feel that kite in just a little bit.
Speaker 2: Let's figure out what a realistic way to execute this is.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yes, God, job, that's great. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean what were we talking about.
Speaker 3: So case in point and this is why we need
Speaker 3: eight yeah, uh huh. We were talking about how you've
Speaker 3: been with him for seven years?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, seven and a half. We're getting married in June.
Speaker 2: We are going to go to Sedona, Yes, and just
Speaker 2: find a mountain and seal the deal.
Speaker 3: I love that. Sodona is such a cool place.
Speaker 2: It's our favorite place on Earth, which it sounds so random.
Speaker 3: But it is just like, is that nearly Joshua? I've
Speaker 3: been to Sedona? Is that near Joshua? Tweak? We really
Speaker 3: want to go to Joshua Tree.
Speaker 2: Just went in September.
Speaker 3: How was it? What happens there? Things happen at Joshua
Speaker 3: Tree that don't happen anywhere else. In the world. People
Speaker 3: have awakenings. Well, did you have one? ANSD your awakening?
Speaker 2: We enhanced are awakening.
Speaker 3: You're looking for a spiritual awakening? Okay, did you have one?
Speaker 2: We did?
Speaker 3: What did you How did you connect with the spirit?
Speaker 2: I mean, well, there's something about the desert that, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I was a cactus in a past life
Speaker 2: or something. I could see that, because like.
Speaker 3: I just feel very cactousy. You know, honestly, I think
Speaker 3: cactus thistles are like the most beautiful plant ever, like
Speaker 3: the thistle on a cactus. I have actually written a
Speaker 3: self description about myself as a cactus thistle before, because
Speaker 3: I see you pring myself to that.
Speaker 2: I see you.
Speaker 3: Strong and beautiful, but don't come near because I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: So it's it's like, yeah, I don't know, there's something
Speaker 2: about the desert that is just so magnetic for both
Speaker 2: of us that we feel so like at peace. And
Speaker 2: I think we also just I'm sure you can relate
Speaker 2: like we've been together a long time and we just
Speaker 2: have gotten a little caught up in the chaos of
Speaker 2: life and we just needed like a little like reset,
Speaker 2: and so we went to the desert and opened up
Speaker 2: our minds and had the most beautiful week in the
Speaker 2: desert alone fire.
Speaker 3: Did you like have a connection with God? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean like you spelt him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe even more so just like felt closer together,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like we really used that
Speaker 2: time to like disconnect and connect together, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we did that in uh like September. It was so hot.
Speaker 2: Don't go in September.
Speaker 3: In September it was like.
Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty one to zero when we landed.
Speaker 2: I was melting wo to z one to zero. Wow,
Speaker 2: didn't even know that existed. Dum, Actually it does. In
Speaker 2: the desert.
Speaker 3: Part of the cleansing was sweating.
Speaker 2: Yes, we we just sweat out all of the demons.
Speaker 3: And toxins and get that out. I mean, I go
Speaker 3: to hot Yoda all the time. I loved Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so we uh we we just we love Sedona.
Speaker 2: It's something something magical is going on over there. So
Speaker 2: we're just gonna go and Elope and find a mountain
Speaker 2: top and get married.
Speaker 3: And when do you win?
Speaker 2: Uh June?
Speaker 3: Okay, we all invite friends and family. No, okay, so
Speaker 3: why are you gonna wait till June?
Speaker 2: Because well, because I don't want to get confused with
Speaker 2: an anniversary date. So I thought that I would just.
Speaker 3: You're the details here, I think, Yeah, I thought.
Speaker 2: We could just pick the same date that we started
Speaker 2: dating as the marriage day, and then there's just one
Speaker 2: date to remember.
Speaker 3: You don't have to worry about your engagement date once
Speaker 3: you get your marriage date.
Speaker 2: No, like are when we started dating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're that's impressive that you're going to celebrate that
Speaker 3: one too, But.
Speaker 2: Like, we just keep it on the same date and
Speaker 2: then But.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that if you want to get married, you
Speaker 3: can convince me once you get married, you could drop
Speaker 3: the gate the dating date, like, unless you just want
Speaker 3: to celebrate, which, honestly, you should celebrate everything you can
Speaker 3: in this life, because life is worth celebrating. Yes, But
Speaker 3: I mean, like my husband and I we just celebrate
Speaker 3: our marriage date.
Speaker 2: Right, But then when but then, like what if then
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, how long have we been together? Though
Speaker 2: I don't know? No who cares?
Speaker 3: Who cares? Okay, because eventually you're just together forever, Okay.
Speaker 2: Lee, We're probably just gonna go get married next week.
Speaker 2: It's settled.
Speaker 3: So I'm kind of like, I'm whimsical with this stuff.
Speaker 3: We eloped on a beach, yeah, and decided the day before. Okay,
Speaker 3: so like I'm not really someone who's gonna plan it out.
Speaker 2: I am not either. That's why I'm like, I don't
Speaker 2: really know how this is gonna go. It could just happen.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's what we were on vacation in the Bahamas, and
Speaker 3: literally we knew we were gonna get married, and we're like,
Speaker 3: we don't want to do a big wedding. That sounds
Speaker 3: very stressful and not fun and maybe a people pleaser.
Speaker 3: Having back then, before I did some life coaching and stuff,
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna have to entertain this whole wedding,
Speaker 3: and what if people aren't having good time where something
Speaker 3: goes wrong, Like it's gonna be way too stressful, all
Speaker 3: the money spent just like stress, stress, stressress. Yes, let's
Speaker 3: just get her on the beach and swimsuit cover ups.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, so you didn't do you didn't do anything.
Speaker 2: That's what that's me too.
Speaker 3: And then we had a party when we got back.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what we're doing.
Speaker 1: It's the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for people who are wired like that, it's really great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't want tradition. We don't want to pour
Speaker 2: sand in an hour glass and make people sit in
Speaker 2: silence for thirty minutes while they stare at us. I
Speaker 2: don't want any of that.
Speaker 3: Have your vision.
Speaker 2: I have my vision. It's going to be cute, and
Speaker 2: it's going to be spiritual, and it's going to be
Speaker 2: exactly what we need want it to be. You know,
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: I promote just eloping, yeah, and I feel like it
Speaker 3: more eloping.
Speaker 2: You don't need to be eloping more.
Speaker 3: Unless you just met, and you don't need to elope,
Speaker 3: like you know what.
Speaker 2: No rules, whatever you rules, do it? Who cares?
Speaker 3: One of my very best friends also eloped after like
Speaker 3: four months of knowing someone and they're married with two kids.
Speaker 2: Doing been together a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, like probably like fifteen years at this point.
Speaker 2: It okay. His sister, His sister and her uh now
Speaker 2: wife eloped on Sunday just two weeks decided we're gonna
Speaker 2: get alope, We're gonna go Elope next Sunday, and so yeah,
Speaker 2: can you can you believe his parents had two gay games?
Speaker 3: I was trying to put that together. I'm like, did
Speaker 3: you say his sister and his so his his parents
Speaker 3: have a gay son and a gay daughter.
Speaker 2: Yes they do.
Speaker 3: That's really like that can't be that common.
Speaker 2: And it's the they're the only two siblings, like they're
Speaker 2: they're the only two siblings.
Speaker 3: But uh, okay, you know, did they like did they
Speaker 3: know they're gay? Was it a big thing coming up?
Speaker 1: They?
Speaker 2: I think Lee knew but didn't come out until high
Speaker 2: school and Ali didn't come out until college, like much later.
Speaker 2: But yeah, wild, isn't it wild?
Speaker 3: For the parents? School journey, it's all been a journey.
Speaker 3: It's still a journey. Journey, still a journey. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's that's that's crazy to have too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they like they grew up and went to
Speaker 2: like Christian schools and Christian high private high schools and
Speaker 2: all the things. So yeah, a little different journey for
Speaker 2: them than my journey with my mom, but it has
Speaker 2: been so great.
Speaker 3: There's always an opportunity to learn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for my mom and their mom and to have
Speaker 2: that like kind of I don't know, like perspective if
Speaker 2: you will, like for their mom to see my mom
Speaker 2: and that my mom somehow balances being religious and having
Speaker 2: a relationship with God and also unconditionally loving her child.
Speaker 2: It's been a really good thing.
Speaker 3: Man. We are here just to learn some lessons.
Speaker 2: Aren't weane?
Speaker 3: Literally Yeah, I think about the all time. I have
Speaker 3: so many friends going through stuff right now, like losing people, divorce,
Speaker 3: like all sorts of situations, and I'm like, man, we
Speaker 3: are really here just to like learn. Yeah, And when
Speaker 3: you're in the middle of a growth phase? Was it
Speaker 3: for that we were talking about earlier? Like it's like, man,
Speaker 3: is this ever going to end? And it's like another
Speaker 3: level and then you have to go to another level
Speaker 3: as soon as you start like elevating your thoughts, then
Speaker 3: it's like.
Speaker 2: Another hurdle, all right, which which is I guess? I
Speaker 2: guess the point for me is to find the balance
Speaker 2: in it all and find that like and just understanding
Speaker 2: that it's all teaching us what we need to know
Speaker 2: to be better in the next phase of life, right,
Speaker 2: And so that's kind of how I have centered myself
Speaker 2: in the chaos a little bit.
Speaker 3: You know who I love is mel Robbins And she's
Speaker 3: this awesome author podcaster, and she has this new book
Speaker 3: called Let Them. It's called the let Them Theory, and
Speaker 3: it's basically like let them do like leave you out
Speaker 3: of inviting you to a party, Let them think this
Speaker 3: way about whatever. Let them like have a decision that
Speaker 3: you don't agree with, like, let them let you have
Speaker 3: weird badst Let you not be fully excited about everything
Speaker 3: that's ever happened in your childhood and these people did
Speaker 3: that or whatever, this, that and the other. Let people
Speaker 3: don't worry about it, don't hang on to it, like,
Speaker 3: just let them.
Speaker 2: And isn't that all we all are really asking for.
Speaker 3: Too, is like everybody to understand my mind. If you
Speaker 3: got up in this mind, I couldn't even I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Even for you. I'm scared for you, okay, and.
Speaker 3: Constantly learning and rewiring and getting new information, and like
Speaker 3: nobody's setting stone right. Just let people evolve, let people live,
Speaker 3: Let them live.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: What is it doing to you to let somebody else.
Speaker 3: And keep yourself create the life that you want.
Speaker 2: Surround yourself with the people that you align with, and
Speaker 2: fuck everybody else.
Speaker 3: And just do you ultimately, if we all could, just
Speaker 3: like literally like you said, just stay centered on love,
Speaker 3: focus on the betterment of ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3: Let us have a therapy for this therapy lesson today.
Speaker 3: Welcome to my therapy. Couch. You cannot sit down without
Speaker 3: spilling your entire life.
Speaker 2: Much is this gonna cost?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, just your entire soul.
Speaker 2: My two French bulldogs? Will that work?
Speaker 3: Pearl? And who are they?
Speaker 2: Priscilla and Pearl? My little pigs.
Speaker 3: They're so cute, ye, the cutest. We sit around and
Speaker 3: talk about how much we love our dogs all the time,
Speaker 3: all the time, like how much they add to our life?
Speaker 2: What is this obsession?
Speaker 3: Like they add so much?
Speaker 2: I love it. I live in a zoo and I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you have two dogs any other thing?
Speaker 2: Well, actually have We have three dogs, but two of them.
Speaker 2: Mini is No, she's just senior citizen. She's she's literally
Speaker 2: knocking on the Rainbow bridges door like, hey, y'all got
Speaker 2: space for me. No, We've got her like set up
Speaker 2: in what we call hospice care. We've got like a
Speaker 2: corner of our living room where we've like barricaded her
Speaker 2: from being trampled by wild pigs. And that's she's like
Speaker 2: a fifteen year old chihuahua.
Speaker 3: So you know, maybe she's getting the best with worlds
Speaker 3: because she's in on all the action. Yes, she sees everything,
Speaker 3: she hears those rascals. Yes, but yet she's like, I.
Speaker 2: Am locked off not getting murdered. Okay, that's not how
Speaker 2: we wanted.
Speaker 3: To get We don't want that for many many Yeah.
Speaker 2: So three dogs, two cats, and then a stray cat
Speaker 2: just showed up outside. I don't know, I'm like snow
Speaker 2: white or some shit. Like the animals just hear me calling,
Speaker 2: and they're like the birds land on your arms, literally birds,
Speaker 2: eagles landing on my arm. I don't know how they
Speaker 2: got here. I'm like bringing them all in and Lee
Speaker 2: comes home and he's like fucking pissed.
Speaker 3: Just there's another one.
Speaker 2: There's another one. We now have three cats and three dogs.
Speaker 3: But listen, I love to collect animals do I can't
Speaker 3: help it. I love it.
Speaker 2: I relate to animals more than I relate to people sometimes,
Speaker 2: especially in my home space, because I'm such a like wild, kooky,
Speaker 2: crazy person when it comes to like being social with people.
Speaker 2: When I get home, I'm like a calm, haveurbal refreshment.
Speaker 3: So you like introvert extrovert when you get home, you
Speaker 3: need to introvert hard yep.
Speaker 2: With just my dogs piled on top of me.
Speaker 3: And just kind of like let your body calm down, literally, yeah,
Speaker 3: because you go use all your energy and then you
Speaker 3: have to.
Speaker 2: Just like get it back. And I get that from
Speaker 2: my wild pigs. They like feed me my energy back.
Speaker 3: They can't wait to give it to you because they
Speaker 3: love you so much, so much, so much. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: So are you touring this year? Are you on the road?
Speaker 3: You just don't want it for mar and Morris a
Speaker 3: lot recently?
Speaker 2: Right, Well, so we we did stumble upon opening for
Speaker 2: Maren Morris last year.
Speaker 3: That's so fun.
Speaker 2: It was so fun.
Speaker 3: Are you all friends?
Speaker 2: I mean no, but.
Speaker 3: You had a great time.
Speaker 2: No, but we had a great time. And she was
Speaker 2: such a grand so sweet, and she was just magnificent.
Speaker 3: And I remember when she came out, I was like, man,
Speaker 3: Maren has such a great boy.
Speaker 2: That voice is like no other. Like, yeah, the best
Speaker 2: part about opening for her was that then I got
Speaker 2: to like sit as close as I've ever set to
Speaker 2: like witness her show and experience all that she is.
Speaker 2: It was unreal. I mean, just like vocals down like
Speaker 2: the tiniest, tiniest little person just with the biggest voice
Speaker 2: you've ever heard.
Speaker 3: Isn't it cool to get to see people that you
Speaker 3: admire their talent and you see them in action, like
Speaker 3: we were actually talking about Raina, our friend who does
Speaker 3: Jey for Landy Wilson. Yes, amazing.
Speaker 2: No, she does wardrobe. She does the wardrobe, she does
Speaker 2: the whole wardrobe.
Speaker 3: No, she does not where she takes all of her clothes.
Speaker 2: Yes, Rainda Girr stylist extraordinary, but she like.
Speaker 3: Sews all of Lanny's clothes. So they just come up
Speaker 3: with this, don't talk about the creatives. They just come
Speaker 3: up with vision.
Speaker 2: Yes she does, and then make them. Well after that,
Speaker 2: well I'll show you some of the things that she's made.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be totally freaking.
Speaker 3: She probably has all her measurements so she can just
Speaker 3: whip anything up. Oh yeah anytime, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So now she's been doing it for long enough that
Speaker 2: exactly that she just has these wild crazy ass ideas.
Speaker 2: It just makes and just makes it just.
Speaker 3: Gives them to Lanny and she just loves them. Yes,
Speaker 3: that is what is so cool when a creative community
Speaker 3: comes together, because to get the full picture you need
Speaker 3: so many different elements. You need someone to catch the
Speaker 3: visuals in photography like a Ford Fair child, We love
Speaker 3: you so much. You need a Raina to understand the
Speaker 3: clothing aspect. You need someone to help you co write.
Speaker 3: Ruby says he you need a Ruby, you need a
Speaker 3: movie to give you love. But like, no, it's not
Speaker 3: that an artist can't be all of that, but you
Speaker 3: need to be able to collaborate with people who have
Speaker 3: that same kind of creative energy and who have an expertise.
Speaker 2: In something different than you. Yes, you know, because that's
Speaker 2: where the magic happens. Yes, that's even with like even
Speaker 2: with like my style journey that I have been on.
Speaker 3: How would you call your style?
Speaker 2: No, it's like it's like western glam um, Yeah, like
Speaker 2: western he'll billy glam. I don't know. It's uh. I
Speaker 2: love a Rynstone. I love uh. I love to pay
Speaker 2: homage to like days past, like the sixties when men
Speaker 2: weren't afraid to wear ls.
Speaker 3: You were heels. Hello, I know, h John Travolta and
Speaker 3: Disco Fever were heels all the time.
Speaker 2: Yes, So like for me, that is where a lot
Speaker 2: of my inspo comes. Raina actually got me a this
Speaker 2: like West, how the West was worn, And it's like
Speaker 2: this old book of just like all all of the
Speaker 2: things you can even imagine of, like western wear and
Speaker 2: so we'll just like be flipping through this book and
Speaker 2: like find inspiration from a suit from nineteen sixty that
Speaker 2: we want to like recreate in a different.
Speaker 3: Way and it can do it. So y'all can come
Speaker 3: up with it and she can do it. How fun?
Speaker 2: Is that? So fun? I've learned so much from her.
Speaker 3: Like these so fun.
Speaker 2: These sparkly pants.
Speaker 3: Are custom made me. You made those me, so you
Speaker 3: like cut one up and then put another one in.
Speaker 2: I just like smoke a little stone, a little you know,
Speaker 2: And that's that is how I also work through like
Speaker 2: my own neuroses.
Speaker 3: Is like, oh yeah, I process at all.
Speaker 2: Yep. Remember we talked about like going home and sitting
Speaker 2: in silence. For me, that is like ron stoning a
Speaker 2: pair of pants and stone and stony and.
Speaker 3: Thinking about everything that you've gone through. Yes, I've known
Speaker 3: some healers in my life and they say, that's what
Speaker 3: that is actually used for. People use like you know,
Speaker 3: natural medicines for all sorts of stuff. But really, ultimately,
Speaker 3: if you use it wisely and correctly, it does help
Speaker 3: you process your life in a spiritual way totally, you know, totally.
Speaker 3: I do that in yoga. I will literally cry in
Speaker 3: the back of the yoga class because I will just
Speaker 3: be sitting there going through my entire life. And I
Speaker 3: did that. I did it. I probably did it for
Speaker 3: two years straight. I had a bunch of miscarriages and
Speaker 3: then just lunch a bunch of life stuff, and just
Speaker 3: like I was so overwhelmed with all of my like
Speaker 3: sorrow that I would go to yoga and just get
Speaker 3: in the back of the class, and I would feel
Speaker 3: the pain in my body like where it was locked
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, like a memory would
Speaker 3: come flooding in and I would just weep and weep
Speaker 3: and weep and weep, and then.
Speaker 2: It would just go away, right.
Speaker 3: And I just did that until I didn't have any
Speaker 3: more tears.
Speaker 2: To cry, no tears left to cry.
Speaker 3: You gotta get them out. If you keep them all
Speaker 3: locked in, they stay stuck, literally get stuck in your body.
Speaker 2: Of your body, and then you have like I don't know,
Speaker 2: some weird yeah.
Speaker 3: And we're not doctors, so by the way, we are
Speaker 3: not diagnosing. But I do believe that, like trauma, pain
Speaker 3: gets stuck in your body, you have to get it out.
Speaker 2: And I'm not a doctor, but that's the truth.
Speaker 3: I am not a doctor. That's my own experience, and
Speaker 3: I am here to live the tale that I feel
Speaker 3: so like I used to I could cry on demand
Speaker 3: all the time because I had so much like just
Speaker 3: store trauma.
Speaker 2: And you can't anymore.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I could get crying, but I'm not.
Speaker 3: They're not ready hears aren't just like they're not like actively,
Speaker 3: they're not just waiting for a moment to trigger them.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I kind of feel like I am
Speaker 2: a little bit like, Okay, well you're.
Speaker 3: Still in it though. That's good, but you're in the
Speaker 3: process of healing and getting them out truly. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: just because now I feel a little hardened and I'm
Speaker 3: like whoa. But I'm like thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, really.
Speaker 3: So happy because for so long I was like literally
Speaker 3: available to cry at any given moment. Yeah, the world
Speaker 3: is too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, and and and we're all on the journey
Speaker 2: of you know whatever. The radical self love is what
Speaker 2: we like to say, I love that.
Speaker 3: Tell me what you love about music, why you love
Speaker 3: country music, what you want your audience to feel from
Speaker 3: your show.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I have only ever known country.
Speaker 3: Music, being from Arkansas and Alabama. Yeah, in Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like spending so much time in Arkansas growing up
Speaker 2: as a child. Did you know there is a Russellville, Arkansas? Okay,
Speaker 2: and that I'm from Russellville, Kentucky.
Speaker 3: Oh it's like on the line. It's like text Arcana.
Speaker 3: It's in Arkansas and in Texas Arkansas.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know much you know about geography? Okay,
Speaker 2: but Kentucky and Arkansas do not touch.
Speaker 3: Okay? Are you being mean to me right now?
Speaker 2: Never?
Speaker 3: Did you trick me?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, no no wait no, I'm just
Speaker 2: saying that there is a Russellville, Arkansas, and there's also
Speaker 2: a Russellville, Kentucky.
Speaker 3: Oh they're two different ones.
Speaker 2: Very different, very very much like hundreds of miles apart.
Speaker 3: I said, I did the Amazing Race two times and
Speaker 3: we ended up in all these countries, and JIN would
Speaker 3: be like, Caroline, where are we going to be?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: I have no idea, Like I have geography here?
Speaker 2: Did you love it? Yes? Can I just ask you
Speaker 2: a couple of things?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 2: Can I turn the titles here really quick? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: go for it? What what?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What were you on the show for a long time?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: We made it with two seasons. We were season twenty two.
Speaker 3: We made it to the season finale, me and Jen
Speaker 3: Wayne who's in Runaway June, who Ford also knows has
Speaker 3: done pictures for her. We made it to the finale,
Speaker 3: got to the season foul finale where we were putting
Speaker 3: light bulbs in that letter I on the Mirage skyscraper
Speaker 3: in Vegas, and then I skydived into the Vegas Motor
Speaker 3: Speedway with an electric light suit on that was like
Speaker 3: lighting up and like the sky sky dived in and was
Speaker 3: like raising for the finale and almost one we lost
Speaker 3: by like basically twenty seconds. No, and then we got
Speaker 3: invited back to All Stars with all the favorite like
Speaker 3: cast and had another world of Mitcher and we we
Speaker 3: got fourth the first time and we got second on
Speaker 3: All Stars.
Speaker 2: Shut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was epic it went. I'm so I got
Speaker 3: so lucky with how that played out because it was
Speaker 3: just the most.
Speaker 2: Fun was it Not really hard?
Speaker 3: Though it's so hard. But Jen Partner and I were
Speaker 3: perfect partners because we were both single. We were both
Speaker 3: boy crazy. We love it. We're in our late twenties.
Speaker 3: We were best friends. We had been in a band
Speaker 3: together for like seven years, so we had learned how
Speaker 3: to live in the most strenuous situations, learned how to fight,
Speaker 3: We learned how to We knew each other's strengths, we
Speaker 3: knew each other's weaknesses, and we also knew that the
Speaker 3: only way to win would for us to be fully
Speaker 3: teammates and not tearing each other down. And so we
Speaker 3: never tore each other down. We would always try to
Speaker 3: do the challenge that would be the best fit for
Speaker 3: the person. But sometimes you draw one and like Jin
Speaker 3: had a swim and she can't swim that she had
Speaker 3: to because she it was her time to do it.
Speaker 3: It just worked out where she had to do that challenge.
Speaker 3: So sometimes that happens. You know, she didn't drown, She
Speaker 3: didn't drown. We ended up that's what we got out.
Speaker 3: We'd made it to the finale. But like so sometimes
Speaker 3: and then like I had like she was so good
Speaker 3: at memory stuff, so like when we thought there was
Speaker 3: a memory challenge, she could take either one of us, right, God, yes,
Speaker 3: But then like if it was skydiving, I was like,
Speaker 3: give it to me all day because I want that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what my strength would be because I
Speaker 2: watched this show and I think, God, I would I
Speaker 2: would kill it on this show, and then now we're
Speaker 2: talking about it, like, but I'm not gonna do heights.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely not gonna be good at puzzles, and my
Speaker 2: stamina for cardio is not very high.
Speaker 3: I mean you might have a hard time.
Speaker 2: So that's actually everything that this show.
Speaker 3: You have to be a physical is no joke running
Speaker 3: all the time. You are stressed out all the time,
Speaker 3: and you are constantly at a tin like it took
Speaker 3: us like two months to.
Speaker 2: Calm down, and you're in other countries.
Speaker 3: In other countries you can't speak the language or you
Speaker 3: can't speak the language. You're like, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 3: like having these breakdowns. Thank god, Jin. It's cool under pressure,
Speaker 3: and she's so good at communicating and the puzzles and
Speaker 3: thanking and being smart because I was.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know, nobody, nobody knows what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Jin was like the cool call here, like you're yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: but also she's created anyway, we were just a great match.
Speaker 2: We did a great job.
Speaker 3: It was fun. I'm obsessed with Some people do terrible
Speaker 3: because they rip each other apart.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen a couple of those. I've seen a
Speaker 2: couple of those couples who maybe aren't couples.
Speaker 3: You fight really hard on the amazing race. You're shooting
Speaker 3: yourself in the foot because it's already hard enough. Yeah,
Speaker 3: isn't that in life?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And we realized that, like just being positive and uplifting
Speaker 3: and being a team player helping other people.
Speaker 2: You probably took that took so much from that experience
Speaker 2: into your life.
Speaker 3: After trusting the process, doing the very best you can
Speaker 3: every single time, and then you can't worry about the outcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: And I did it a perfect time in life. I
Speaker 3: wasn't married, I was single, our band had just kind
Speaker 3: of fallen apart. It was like epic.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, well I am gonna go Binge four
Speaker 2: twenty four. I'll watch both. I'm not even I'm not
Speaker 2: even the great.
Speaker 3: I just watched them with my daughter, and because she
Speaker 3: like found she saw the I was on it, She's like, Mom,
Speaker 3: can we watch it? And I was like, I hadn't
Speaker 3: seen it in ten years. And I just watched him
Speaker 3: again and I was like, I'm so proud of myself
Speaker 3: because I feel like we were such good, Like I
Speaker 3: feel proud of the person I am on the show too,
Speaker 3: because we were positive, we were kind, we worked hard,
Speaker 3: we showed up for each other. Yeah, Like, I'm so
Speaker 3: glad that I can show you.
Speaker 2: This was such a little like nostalgic moment to share
Speaker 2: with your daughter, to be like, oh my gosh, this
Speaker 2: was before you and I did that. I did all this.
Speaker 3: It's cool.
Speaker 2: That's really cool.
Speaker 3: I love that, Adam, thanks for that walked on memory lane.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, thank you for sharing, Thank you for caring. No,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm seriously I'm going to go bingj it
Speaker 2: and then I'll text you and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're literally a superhero.
Speaker 3: Yes exactly, thanks for noticing. Yeah, so what do you
Speaker 3: want people to feel wh they're at your shows?
Speaker 2: Well, gosh, yeah, I'm sorry. I got on that tangent.
Speaker 3: I love you. We're already been talking an out hour,
Speaker 3: so we'll probably up up here. But I literally love it.
Speaker 3: I love just chatting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is shooting the breeze. I love that. No,
Speaker 2: I mean, basically, to sum it all up, I grew
Speaker 2: up loving country music. It's all I ever knew. I
Speaker 2: struggled when I first moved to town twelve years ago
Speaker 2: or however long it was trying to figure out how
Speaker 2: someone like me fits into a space where I didn't
Speaker 2: see anybody that looked like me or told stories like me,
Speaker 2: or told stories that I could relate to. And I
Speaker 2: struggled with trying to fit into the box that was
Speaker 2: set before me that I thought, this is the only
Speaker 2: way that it works. And so I did that for
Speaker 2: a long time, a very many years. I did that,
Speaker 2: try to try to just like do what's on the radio.
Speaker 2: Just try to write songs that are on the radio,
Speaker 2: and that's how you'll be successful.
Speaker 3: Which is not authentic.
Speaker 2: It's not at all.
Speaker 3: And like it's not real, so like, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: And so it wasn't until really, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: the pandemic really kind of shook everyone and was like, hey,
Speaker 2: figure out what matters to you, okay, really really yeah,
Speaker 2: And for me that was like figuring out that I'm
Speaker 2: just truthfully going to write songs that are my experience,
Speaker 2: write the stories that I wish that I had been
Speaker 2: able to hear growing up. And it wasn't until that
Speaker 2: point that I kind of found and connected to my people,
Speaker 2: like the people who get me.
Speaker 3: You know what, Funny, we run so hard thinking that like,
Speaker 3: if we actually let people know it was on the inside,
Speaker 3: they would hate us. But then when you actually show
Speaker 3: people what's on the inside, then people are like, oh.
Speaker 2: Wait, I feel that too, that's me too, for everyone,
Speaker 2: that's for anyone.
Speaker 3: You've got to show you and the people who you
Speaker 3: resonate with are looking for you.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's how you find How how are your
Speaker 2: people supposed to find you if you're not gonna let
Speaker 2: them know who you are? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Oh that was like profound on a pillow. But truthfully,
Speaker 2: that's truthfully what happened to me. It wasn't until I
Speaker 2: started putting myself out there and not being afraid to
Speaker 2: like be all of this and all like incorporate all
Speaker 2: the things that I love and that make me who
Speaker 2: I am. It wasn't until that moment that it all
Speaker 2: clicked for me, and I was like.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, And now you probably don't have like
Speaker 3: distress about it because you're just doing you.
Speaker 2: I'm just and I'm an independent artist. I get to
Speaker 2: make all of my own decisions as long as Ford
Speaker 2: says I candly, no, I yeah, yeah no, But but
Speaker 2: really I think there's power in that too. I think
Speaker 2: being in this town for so long, I was constantly
Speaker 2: running towards what I thought would would make me successful,
Speaker 2: a record deal, a publishing deal, whatever those things are.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't until the last few years where I
Speaker 2: realized the power in my independence and like that that
Speaker 2: meant that I am in control. I get to make
Speaker 2: all of the decisions. I get to tell my story
Speaker 2: on my terms, exactly how I want to do it,
Speaker 2: exactly what I wanted to look like. And that has
Speaker 2: been the most inspiring I have felt, so I don't know,
Speaker 2: like lifted from all of the weight of what I
Speaker 2: thought I needed to be, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I'm just having more fun. I'm just literally having fun,
Speaker 2: which is crazy. This is this is our job.
Speaker 3: Hey just go Calbo, Cowbo, Just go Cowboy. Y'all go
Speaker 3: check it out. And if you're doing some shows, I'm
Speaker 3: are you on the road?
Speaker 2: Not right now, but we are. We've got a new
Speaker 2: album coming out in the new year.
Speaker 3: Are we talking about it?
Speaker 2: We can?
Speaker 3: Okay, tell me about it. I did not even realize that.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, did you? You probably told me that And
Speaker 3: I just want to listen to is that while we're
Speaker 3: here to talk about the new album?
Speaker 2: Wait is wait? Are we here to promote a new album?
Speaker 3: I know, we just wanted to chat.
Speaker 2: What the hell?
Speaker 3: Oh god, thank god we got to.
Speaker 2: This where am I? Yeah, No, we're we're we're talking
Speaker 2: about it, but we're also not talking about all the details.
Speaker 2: Basically post post well we didn't really talk about you know,
Speaker 2: the whole like festival thing where I like canceled a
Speaker 2: festival gig that I had in my hometown, which was
Speaker 2: a whole thing, but it's what led to me opening
Speaker 2: for Marion, And it was truly a time where I
Speaker 2: chose myself, even though I was kind of scared to
Speaker 2: like be a canceler, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 2: to cancel a big gig, especially like in my hometown
Speaker 2: I was so excited for. But there was just like
Speaker 2: some people who were talking about protesting and showing up
Speaker 2: and picketing in front of my set and like not
Speaker 2: allowing me to put on my show and causing problems
Speaker 2: with like the board, and then the board was like
Speaker 2: also the lady who booked me called him, was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're just concerned that you're gonna be like promoting homosexuality,
Speaker 2: and I was like, look at me, I'm a walking
Speaker 2: billboard for homosexuality. So just existing, I guess, is promoting homosexuality.
Speaker 2: But like with all of that, all the things that
Speaker 2: that were that kind of unfolded, I chose to not
Speaker 2: do the show.
Speaker 3: That was a big decision.
Speaker 2: It was I felt like I was letting a lot
Speaker 2: of people down in the moment. It was a really
Speaker 2: tough thing for me to do, and in doing so,
Speaker 2: oh it ended up Oh, I mean, I posted a
Speaker 2: video because I also had never canceled a show. I
Speaker 2: was like, I want people to know, like what's going on.
Speaker 2: I don't want them to think that I'm just like
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. And so I posted a video
Speaker 2: and and basically by Ford.
Speaker 3: Okay, by Ford, I know for this is to leave
Speaker 3: thirty minutes ago, thanks for saying.
Speaker 2: And so I posted a video online and just explained
Speaker 2: what was going on. And it was like a matter
Speaker 2: of hours that it had like gone viral, and our
Speaker 2: country queens like Kelsey Ballerini and Maren Morris and Brandy
Speaker 2: Clark and a bunch of these divas were just like
Speaker 2: in my comments, like showing up for me and supporting me.
Speaker 2: And next thing that I knew Maren's team was reaching
Speaker 2: out to me to open for her Lunatics show in Chicago,
Speaker 2: and it was so this album that's coming out is
Speaker 2: really everything post that moment.
Speaker 3: That a life changing moment for you.
Speaker 2: Yep, it was a moment where I chose myself and
Speaker 2: stood stood up for myself and it was scary. But
Speaker 2: then everything that has came from that year, this past
Speaker 2: year has been so life altering, and the songs that
Speaker 2: I've been writing are just like from that space, from
Speaker 2: that place of like choosing myself, choosing my family, my
Speaker 2: chosen family, the people who show up for me. It's
Speaker 2: really just it's been the most beautiful project I've ever
Speaker 2: worked on. Really a lot of therapy, a lot of healing.
Speaker 3: Music is healing.
Speaker 2: Yeah we did, I haven't told.
Speaker 3: Want to do? Is it still under wrapped? Okay? Okay, Okay?
Speaker 3: When is it coming out?
Speaker 2: It is coming out in the summer, and I.
Speaker 3: Mean we can tell what it is, no, don't. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: Remember when I talked about being independent, I can do
Speaker 2: whatever I want.
Speaker 3: Okay, Then what is it?
Speaker 2: It's called Southern Spectacle.
Speaker 3: Okay, and it's.
Speaker 2: Which kind of just encompasses everything you see everything that
Speaker 2: I am. It is uh, it's audacious, and it is campy,
Speaker 2: and it's funny, and it's silly and it's heartfelt. It's
Speaker 2: like all of the things that make me who I
Speaker 2: am wrapped up in an album.
Speaker 3: Hey, congrats on your most authentic album. That has to
Speaker 3: feel so good, so good, so good. I have loved
Speaker 3: getting to know you, Adam, sister for life. I can't
Speaker 3: wait to follow your journey. I always wrap up with
Speaker 3: leave your Light, and it's super open ended. What do
Speaker 3: you want people to know? Just drop some inspo?
Speaker 2: I feel like I have dropped some inspo here. Let
Speaker 2: me just see leave your light, well, leave your light
Speaker 2: wherever you go, right, take your light with you. Spread joy,
Speaker 2: spread love, positivity, be kind to people, and have a
Speaker 2: good damn time.
Speaker 3: Preach right, Adam, thank you so much for joining. This
Speaker 3: was so fun, Adam Mac. Check out your music and
Speaker 3: follow along on your journey. And congrats. I'm getting married
Speaker 3: next year.
Speaker 2: Gosh, thanks sister.
Speaker 3: Okay, bye bye