WEBVTT - ADAM MAC: Get Real About Flipping The Script on Country Music

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Carl Lone.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a queen of talking, and so she's getting not

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<v Speaker 2>afraid to feel this episode of soul.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let it flow.

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<v Speaker 2>No one can do we quiet Cary Lone.

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<v Speaker 1>Is sound of carlund.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Adam Mack is here and he shows up ready, ready,

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<v Speaker 3>like a muffin. Have you put that? Okay? And not

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<v Speaker 3>just in the house, I mean you, Oh no, wait

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<v Speaker 3>is it working? Look, I'm in charge of my own electronics.

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<v Speaker 3>That's always interesting. You are awesome and you rolled up

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<v Speaker 3>with Ford Fairchild, the greatest photographer in Nashville, Tennessee, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Goat of creative genius.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, right, Yes, Ford has done all of my podcasts,

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<v Speaker 3>cover shoots, He has done my husband's a couple or

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<v Speaker 3>one or two of their album covers. A thousand horses. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that's just me personal. I also just love everything.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's done your stuff all like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year of my life has been basically covered in

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<v Speaker 2>Ford Fairchild's magic.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, lucky me.

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<v Speaker 3>Lucky you know what. That's what I love about Nashville.

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<v Speaker 3>How cool is it to collaborate with creative people who

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<v Speaker 3>you get in a room. Because I know this from Ford,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I'm sure this is the way you guys are.

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<v Speaker 3>You just start dreaming stuff up and then you actually

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<v Speaker 3>turn it into reality. Yes, isn't that bananas?

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes we go too far, you gotta go you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>know your edges, we do. You gotta go far too

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<v Speaker 2>far so that then you know where the limit is exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how I mean, honestly. Yeah. So yeah, we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of did that last year with my album cover.

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<v Speaker 3>We were just just go cowboy, yes, which is so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. So that album cover was actually a I

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<v Speaker 2>had a friend of mine who's a graphic designer, draw

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<v Speaker 2>me as a tarrort card for like when the single

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<v Speaker 2>Disco Cowboy came out. So then when we were planning

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<v Speaker 2>the album shoot, Ford was like, could do you think

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<v Speaker 2>you could just like make that outfit and recreate that

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<v Speaker 2>outfit in like a week and a half.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, And that's another thing. It's always

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<v Speaker 3>the last minute, right, Oh. Magic always happens in stressful moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you you've got you've got to put the pressure

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<v Speaker 2>on for for something beautiful to come out. Right, diamonds right,

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<v Speaker 2>treasure diamonds, something on your pants to linstones, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so and we did we we uh. The cover ended

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<v Speaker 2>up being like a replica of like a real life

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<v Speaker 2>what is it Dick's Disney Live action version of the

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<v Speaker 2>Terror card was what we came up with, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was freaking cool.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome, And for this is your first management position,

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<v Speaker 3>right second time, just come up here for a second.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna have just for one second, came here, just

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<v Speaker 3>for one second, Come here, come here, come here. Just

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<v Speaker 3>don't sit on Ruby though. Okay, so Ford Ford is

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<v Speaker 3>the only uh well actually you're not the only other

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<v Speaker 3>guy with son Michael who has seen me without clothes on.

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<v Speaker 3>But like you took pictures of me nude when I

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<v Speaker 3>was pre married because I wanted to do a bood

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<v Speaker 3>wash shoot and never forget when I was feeling myself

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<v Speaker 3>and Ford did it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, and yeah, and we were like we were doing

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<v Speaker 4>the cover, the very first cover of this podcast, and

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<v Speaker 4>then yeah, yeah, and of course I'm just trying to

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<v Speaker 4>like make sure it's the most cinematic thing ever. I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to be so extra and so I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I was in that mode and then Caroline

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<v Speaker 4>hits me up and it's like, hey, so I'm never

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<v Speaker 4>gonna look this hot ever again. And I want to

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<v Speaker 4>do a boudoir shoot and give it to Michael for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 4>Right was something and I was like, okay, cool and

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<v Speaker 4>then off the shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>Case tits out, it's out, tit's off for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>But and we of course we did like haste fool

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<v Speaker 4>old school playboy vibes, like like a lot of skin

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<v Speaker 4>in like white sheets, and it was so sexy and

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<v Speaker 4>so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like look at her, you know it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was insane.

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<v Speaker 3>But then Ford thought that I was just such a

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<v Speaker 3>natural this that he called me to do another shoot

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<v Speaker 3>for like a brand to lay in sheets, and I

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<v Speaker 3>almost did it again. Then I hated it off to

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<v Speaker 3>someone who's actually really good at it. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 3>you like that that. I just like love to do

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<v Speaker 3>this so much that I should do it like in

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<v Speaker 3>front of other people.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, it was for it was for a

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<v Speaker 4>lyric video for some crazy pop artists.

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<v Speaker 2>What that is so crazy? Like soft porn model. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I forgot all about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, but I just love that you were like so

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<v Speaker 3>confident in my ability to like do this publicly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, for no, oh, this is supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be a Christmas present. I don't know. I forgot all

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<v Speaker 2>about that.

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<v Speaker 4>I forgot all about that, and I think that that

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<v Speaker 4>whole thing got scrapped anyways, so it wasn't meant to be.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyways, I'm gonna let you all go have fun.

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<v Speaker 3>We love you, Ford and Ruby's here. Ruby is she

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<v Speaker 3>was born to love. Okay, so Adam, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 3>your life. You grew up. Wait, it's either Arkansas Alabama.

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<v Speaker 2>Neitheruy, dang it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. I'm like, it's so funny that I interview people

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<v Speaker 3>because I have the memory of a squirrel saying like,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember anything. I have everything written down. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I try to go off because oh I got this,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I'm like, oh, yeah, you're from Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 2>How's your mom?

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<v Speaker 3>I did that. I did that. No, I did that

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<v Speaker 3>on an interview. I am not kidding. I just did

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<v Speaker 3>that recently on an interview. And I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>so you lived through some trauma your dad passed away,

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<v Speaker 3>and she's like, nope, nope, Dad's not dead, very alive.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Jade, ept you were supposed to line of me?

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit? Oh wait, can I cuss?

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<v Speaker 3>Will?

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<v Speaker 2>You just you can just cut Okay, great, love it

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<v Speaker 2>because I do.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, I mean maybe I try not to like

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<v Speaker 3>cuss like every other work.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just it just will happen, Okay, totally.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, if you go. I mean, cussing is

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<v Speaker 3>just a part of accentuating the conversation. Ruby is cussing

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<v Speaker 3>in her own way right now. Somebody's outside anyway, Adam, So,

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<v Speaker 3>welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Very professional over here.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I love Hey, we love chaos. Yeah, the theme

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<v Speaker 2>is we love chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the theme. I didn't know that was our theme,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm glad to know of our new friendship. Okay, great, great, great, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. You know, every time Ford rolls up, though,

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<v Speaker 3>I immediately feel chaotic in a great way. And no

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<v Speaker 3>surprise that you do too. But it makes me like excited.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like chaotic good whatever they call that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like chaos, like activating, like oh, let's go

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<v Speaker 3>do something awesome. Yes, because you really activate creativity, for

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<v Speaker 3>you're a creativity activator. When you are around, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we're about to do something fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, let's go right now. We'll be right back after this.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and you know what I think that is. I

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<v Speaker 3>just look back to being in this town and the

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<v Speaker 3>creative town and all that. It is so cool to

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<v Speaker 3>get to just like be with people and you never

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<v Speaker 3>know what's going to happen, create stuff, push the limits,

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<v Speaker 3>and then land where you want to land.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like finding your people and you really find like

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<v Speaker 2>your people who get you and see the same visions

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<v Speaker 2>that you have and share. That's us. That was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like when we really started working together, we really

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<v Speaker 2>clicked and we're like, oh my god, this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be freaking crazy, and it has been. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 2>you're from Kentucky, from Kentucky, Russellville, Kentucky, small little town hour,

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<v Speaker 2>you love your town.

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<v Speaker 3>You wrote your song wait what the song called the.

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<v Speaker 2>One that Got Away or that Ain't Country.

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<v Speaker 3>The One that Got Away and no, and that Ain't Country.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, so That Ain't Country was kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a response to when I put the Disco Cowboy music

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<v Speaker 2>video out. It premiered with CMT and was like my

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<v Speaker 2>first CMT moment.

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<v Speaker 3>They you know, it went to like number one or

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<v Speaker 3>two or something. Number one all the way, yeah, all

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<v Speaker 3>the way.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean to start at the top and so obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>look in this fabulous comes with its own set of

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<v Speaker 2>challenges and hurdles. So that was my lesson on not

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<v Speaker 2>reading comments. Have you ever had that lesson?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I have played so neutral my whole life

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<v Speaker 3>and been such a people pleaser that I have avoided

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of harsh comments intentionally. And then I got

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<v Speaker 3>into a life coach about two years ago, and I

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<v Speaker 3>realized I am a high functioning, codependent people pleaser, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've been working on that, and so I have probably

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<v Speaker 3>gotten more negativity in the past few years than before.

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<v Speaker 3>But also I'm just practicing being more comfortable with people

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<v Speaker 3>not agreeing with everything I say. And I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to agree. I don't have to agree with everything anybody says.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm actually pushing myself, like with my interviews, to

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<v Speaker 3>have realer conversations because everyone's so afraid to have real conversations.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, we don't all have to agree on everything,

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<v Speaker 3>but we can still like have a ball, love each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, or find a middle ground middle ground. We can

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<v Speaker 2>we can coexist in a.

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<v Speaker 3>Way that nobody's You don't have to be best friends

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<v Speaker 3>with everybody. We don't have time for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be no new friends, honestly, like you're

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<v Speaker 2>the last one. Thank you. I'm on it today. You're

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<v Speaker 2>the last new friend.

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<v Speaker 3>God in there. I love it when I make the cut,

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<v Speaker 3>like especially in the nick of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so so. A lot of the comments on that

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<v Speaker 2>disco cowboy video were quite literally that ain't country. This

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<v Speaker 2>this country music. So I just, like I said, let

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<v Speaker 2>me just take that and I'm going to write a

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<v Speaker 2>song about what is country, Like how people from the

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<v Speaker 2>country act, who love each other and treat each other well,

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<v Speaker 2>who respect their neighbor and love their neighbor, like all

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I'm from, my hometown and my small

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<v Speaker 2>town living, like the people in my town show up

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<v Speaker 2>for me, they support me, they love me regardless of all.

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<v Speaker 2>Love this, you know, and that song, really, that song

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<v Speaker 2>really has been like a journey even to like put

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<v Speaker 2>it out and to see the response and see people

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<v Speaker 2>in other small towns who are queer or other or

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<v Speaker 2>different and feel like, oh my gosh, I'm not so

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<v Speaker 2>alone in this tiny town where I thought everyone hated me.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, why do you think it comes across as

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<v Speaker 3>people hating you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know if it's well, some of it

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<v Speaker 2>is Some of it just point blank is hate, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is people who don't who've never seen anything like

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<v Speaker 2>me before, or challenge the traditional stereotype of what a

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<v Speaker 2>man in country music looks and sounds like and sings about.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know that I ruffle some feathers and that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I'm just here to exist and thrive and

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<v Speaker 2>love myself and whoever wants to be on the journey

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<v Speaker 2>with me, You're welcome if you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>How has the journey to getting to the spot been

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<v Speaker 3>for you? Has it been a long yes? Have you

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<v Speaker 3>always loved yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Do we do a second?

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<v Speaker 3>You're so confident in it now?

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<v Speaker 2>Is anyone born loving their self? Because I'm so confused.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to do that to my daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly. We talked about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but we're probably gonna overcompensate and they're gonna have

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<v Speaker 3>all sorts of problems that we can't foresee.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fine, Yeah, it's fine. You're doing the best you can. No, So, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't. I grew up very closeted, very religious, very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you always know you're gay?

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<v Speaker 2>Always?

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<v Speaker 3>Always?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe? Since like five years old? Like, how did you

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<v Speaker 2>because I just knew that the Red Power Ranger made

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<v Speaker 2>me feel something different. You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Is the Red Power Okay, like you liked that one

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<v Speaker 3>of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Best, Yes, and like wanted to be best friends with

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<v Speaker 2>the pink Power Ranger. We're really going through this But no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like.

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<v Speaker 3>So Power Rangers were the first moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my gay awakening. Okay, Okay, No, I mean, like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I just knew that I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>have like the same things that all of my guy

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<v Speaker 2>friends liked, you know what I mean. But then very

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<v Speaker 2>quickly learned through indoctrination that how I was feeling was

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<v Speaker 2>not acceptable or permitted.

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<v Speaker 3>What does indoctrination mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Like the religion that I grew up in was just

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<v Speaker 2>like this is the way that we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be and that's not okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So what age was that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, around the same age, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like around this same age five to eight

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<v Speaker 2>when I started feeling like something isn't really clicking here.

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<v Speaker 2>I also was being taught all of these things about

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<v Speaker 2>like gay people and homosexuality being a sin and that

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna burn in hell and like that. So I

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<v Speaker 2>went through like my whole childhood, very closeted, very insecure,

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<v Speaker 2>very much like questioning how I was being presented to

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<v Speaker 2>the world, constantly having that through high school, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't need high schoolers don't need any extra reasons

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<v Speaker 2>to feel insecure, am I right?

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<v Speaker 3>High school is really something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it wasn't until after high school, after I

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<v Speaker 2>moved to Nashville, which I moved to Nashville in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been here, however, along that math.

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<v Speaker 3>Is how old are twelve?

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty two?

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty two?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you moved here, right? Did you go to

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<v Speaker 3>college or go straight to.

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<v Speaker 2>Big to college for one semester Western Kentucky University that well,

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<v Speaker 2>because I did not pass.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, maybe you didn't need college.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, clearly clearly college could not teach me what

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to know. No, I mean, like I did try.

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<v Speaker 2>That was like the thing, the thing that was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to uh we were all supposed to do. Listen.

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<v Speaker 3>I get that. I had a timeline too, like a

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<v Speaker 3>visible timeline. You go to high school, you graduate, you

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<v Speaker 3>go to college, then you kind of like find it

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not like anyone put this on me. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just what the timeline was right, and then you graduate

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<v Speaker 3>and then you should probably start finding someone to settle

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<v Speaker 3>down with, get a career, get like some stability lined up, somehow,

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<v Speaker 3>have some kids by the time you're definitely by the

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<v Speaker 3>time you're thirty. I mean, if not thirty, then it's over.

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<v Speaker 2>It's over right. No, No, life is just begun.

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<v Speaker 3>I know. And I did it all out of order

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<v Speaker 3>and not in any kind of particular. I loved it

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<v Speaker 3>any of it, Yeah, but I get that, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is hard to break out of that timeline when you

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<v Speaker 3>feel like there is all this pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and it took me leaving Russellville, like removing

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<v Speaker 2>myself from it and experiencing a whole new world. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I had never.

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<v Speaker 3>Left, and that was the one that got away. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that's small town because those lyrics are pretty profound, saying

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<v Speaker 3>like what if I how does the course go?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like I was the one that got away,

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<v Speaker 2>the one that got out, left who I thought I

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<v Speaker 2>ought to be back in that town. Basically, the idea,

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<v Speaker 2>the concept, the concept for the song was like if

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<v Speaker 2>I had stayed, if I had stayed in Russellville and

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<v Speaker 2>not come out and not like chosen myself and to

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<v Speaker 2>love myself. What would my life had looked like? And

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<v Speaker 2>so it kind of just goes through that like what

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<v Speaker 2>I've married a woman, would I have kids? Would I

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<v Speaker 2>like still be trying to like fit into this mold

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<v Speaker 2>that I thought I had to be put in in?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that song, that song is maybe one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most special songs and.

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<v Speaker 3>The one A boy like me about your mom. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because your mom really it sounds like she really struggled

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<v Speaker 3>with this and she didn't want you. She don't want

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<v Speaker 3>you not to like for God's sake, it sounds like

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<v Speaker 3>from the song.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think because she also born and raised in Russellville,

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<v Speaker 2>never left never really even like been out of the

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<v Speaker 2>country like this, hasn't traveled a lot. Like really, all

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<v Speaker 2>she knows is what she was taught until I came

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<v Speaker 2>along and taught her a whole new way of living.

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<v Speaker 3>But isn't that what our children do?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yes, and yours well too? Yeah, like uh but

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It's it's crazy because you know, the journey

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<v Speaker 2>that she has had has been just the most beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>inspiring she I mean, when I came out to her,

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<v Speaker 2>it was not pretty. There were lots of tears, there

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<v Speaker 2>were lots of loud voices, and she said a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of hurtful things that she regrets. And it was maybe

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks after that that she like called me and apologized. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 2>my sister had like talked some sense into her and

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<v Speaker 2>let her know that, you know, I was the same

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<v Speaker 2>person that she loved growing up. She just knows a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more about who I actually am. And since then,

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<v Speaker 2>which that was probably eleven years ago, she is just like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, the most proud mom. She is like

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<v Speaker 2>the mom for all queer kids, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like she wants to adopt every queer child whose

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<v Speaker 2>parents have not accepted them. You know. So it's been

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<v Speaker 2>really cool. And in writing that song, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of like write her a love letter, a

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for doing the work, going on the journey

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<v Speaker 2>and loving her child regardless of anything else.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, what, do you think her fear was.

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<v Speaker 2>How people would treat me? For sure? She's told me

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<v Speaker 2>that in hindsight, her fear, her fear came from how

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<v Speaker 2>how the world would treat her son. She didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>me to have to walk through this life as someone

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<v Speaker 2>who was constantly a target for people to harass or

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<v Speaker 2>hate or any of that, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was some fear of like, oh, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna burn in hell in the in the beginning, and

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<v Speaker 2>now she's kind of in a place where like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>my God loves everyone. I know that God made you

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<v Speaker 2>just the way that you're supposed to be. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the last line in Boy Like Me is God doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make mistakes or something something like that. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is that is kind of her mo now

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<v Speaker 2>is like God made you exactly who you're supposed to be,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna love you exactly the.

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<v Speaker 1>Way you are.

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<v Speaker 3>So how has she worked that into her faith? How

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<v Speaker 3>has she balance?

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<v Speaker 2>She Well, she does not go to church like like

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<v Speaker 2>an organized like in a in a church. She kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just like practices her faith with herself, which like.

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<v Speaker 3>Is where faith is anyway, shouldn't it be?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, for sure, shouldn't it be? So yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>really it.

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<v Speaker 3>She has a true personal relationship with God that she

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<v Speaker 3>has cultivated for herself for her life, and that's totally

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<v Speaker 3>what we all have to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's all love. Like her, her religion is love

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what I say. My religion is too. My

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<v Speaker 2>religion is love. Love everybody, treat people well, make people

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<v Speaker 2>feel good. That's that's all that matters to me.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's so interesting. I love hearing perspectives like yours,

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<v Speaker 3>where you've had to like really step into something that

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<v Speaker 3>was super uncomfortable. It was hard, it wasn't necessarily accepted

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<v Speaker 3>where you were. So but you talk so fondly of

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<v Speaker 3>your town and that ain't kind of tree and I

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<v Speaker 3>know you love those people, but yet they have such

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<v Speaker 3>different views. So we're coming out of such a heated

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<v Speaker 3>time in the world. Yeah, how do we bridge that gap?

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<v Speaker 3>Because obviously everyone has love at their core, and obviously

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<v Speaker 3>everyone is trying to do it they think is right,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're just missing the point. And everyone's missing some point,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, because we're not all connecting. What do we

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<v Speaker 3>need to do?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think we need to unravel all of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that we have been told that we're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to think about one another, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean I am truly a hillbilly at heart,

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<v Speaker 2>Like truly I.

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<v Speaker 3>Am truly just like what do you like to do

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<v Speaker 3>as a hillbilly?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I grew up in field, going to field parties,

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<v Speaker 2>riding four wheelers. I grew up on a farm, Like

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<v Speaker 2>all of the all of the shit you would not

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<v Speaker 2>see me doing today is how I grew up. Well, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I probably would actually still do all those yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that also is kind of uh. I

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<v Speaker 2>always kind of think of it as my superpower because

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<v Speaker 2>like I grew up as as like a very country

0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 2>hill billy running barefoot out in the woods kid. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think I still carry a lot of that and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of my best friends, Like I still am

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<v Speaker 2>friends with so many people from my hometown, like my

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<v Speaker 2>core friend group growing up. So I kind of see

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<v Speaker 2>that as part of my superpower. Like I see those

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<v Speaker 2>people who typically don't align with who I am, and

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<v Speaker 2>like see who they are, and I am who they are,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's like it's this weird balance of like, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm grace for people in other words.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely grace and love like I love you.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone probably but they probably have some traits that you

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<v Speaker 3>adamantly disagree with absolutely and they probably feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 3>But you can see the core of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Good soul you. I do tend to see the good

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<v Speaker 2>in people. I tend to lead with love and I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to have a good time, Like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, uh was my enneogram seven, which is just

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<v Speaker 2>like let's have a good time. If you're bringing the negative,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta you gotta get out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>But normally sevens are avoiding something.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we'll get to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Like normally sevens are wunning out of the good times

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<v Speaker 3>and don't have to deal with the ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah well yeah a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Sevens are the best.

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<v Speaker 2>But the best, right, I mean I I am engaged

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<v Speaker 2>to an eight, so it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, oh man, you really found a balance. Yeah right,

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<v Speaker 3>my dad's an eight. Really, don't mess around with an eight.

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<v Speaker 3>They will get it done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is honestly, he's also like

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<v Speaker 2>my co manager with Ford, Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Is he just like so efficient, so like when he

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<v Speaker 3>gets it done, like don't get in his way, like

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<v Speaker 3>he's going to make it happen. The Spreads Cats are great.

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<v Speaker 3>Congratulations on this team. You needed him, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>but honestly, without him, none of this would actually come

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<v Speaker 3>into existence because it would just be floating around in

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<v Speaker 3>the stratgy.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly wonderful, exactly, No, it's truly execut. We've been together

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<v Speaker 2>like seven and a half years, and it really my

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<v Speaker 2>career hadn't really gained momentum until the last like probably

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<v Speaker 2>four years, which in large part is because he is

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<v Speaker 2>the grounding the he is the Okay, you've got great ideas, but.

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 3>Let's feel that kite in just a little bit.

0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Let's figure out what a realistic way to execute this is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, yes, God, job, that's great. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean what were we talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>So case in point and this is why we need

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<v Speaker 3>eight yeah, uh huh. We were talking about how you've

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<v Speaker 3>been with him for seven years?

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, seven and a half. We're getting married in June.

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 2>We are going to go to Sedona, Yes, and just

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.639
<v Speaker 2>find a mountain and seal the deal.

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 3>I love that. Sodona is such a cool place.

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:41.920
<v Speaker 2>It's our favorite place on Earth, which it sounds so random.

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:44.320
<v Speaker 3>But it is just like, is that nearly Joshua? I've

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 3>been to Sedona? Is that near Joshua? Tweak? We really

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 3>want to go to Joshua Tree.

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Just went in September.

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:54.120
<v Speaker 3>How was it? What happens there? Things happen at Joshua

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:55.920
<v Speaker 3>Tree that don't happen anywhere else. In the world. People

0:24:56.200 --> 0:25:00.880
<v Speaker 3>have awakenings. Well, did you have one? ANSD your awakening?

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 2>We enhanced are awakening.

0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:05.360
<v Speaker 3>You're looking for a spiritual awakening? Okay, did you have one?

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 2>We did?

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:08.119
<v Speaker 3>What did you How did you connect with the spirit?

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, well, there's something about the desert that, yeah,

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I think I was a cactus in a past life

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 2>or something. I could see that, because like.

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 3>I just feel very cactousy. You know, honestly, I think

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 3>cactus thistles are like the most beautiful plant ever, like

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.600
<v Speaker 3>the thistle on a cactus. I have actually written a

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 3>self description about myself as a cactus thistle before, because

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:31.159
<v Speaker 3>I see you pring myself to that.

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 2>I see you.

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 3>Strong and beautiful, but don't come near because I'm just kidding.

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's like, yeah, I don't know, there's something

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 2>about the desert that is just so magnetic for both

0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:48.639
<v Speaker 2>of us that we feel so like at peace. And

0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>I think we also just I'm sure you can relate

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 2>like we've been together a long time and we just

0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:57.960
<v Speaker 2>have gotten a little caught up in the chaos of

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 2>life and we just needed like a little like reset,

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:06.199
<v Speaker 2>and so we went to the desert and opened up

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>our minds and had the most beautiful week in the

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 2>desert alone fire.

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 3>Did you like have a connection with God? Yeah, I

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 3>mean like you spelt him.

0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and maybe even more so just like felt closer together,

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like we really used that

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:30.360
<v Speaker 2>time to like disconnect and connect together, you know. So yeah,

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:35.160
<v Speaker 2>we did that in uh like September. It was so hot.

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't go in September.

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 3>In September it was like.

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:42.160
<v Speaker 2>One hundred and twenty one to zero when we landed.

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I was melting wo to z one to zero. Wow,

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't even know that existed. Dum, Actually it does. In

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>the desert.

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:51.479
<v Speaker 3>Part of the cleansing was sweating.

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we we just sweat out all of the demons.

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 3>And toxins and get that out. I mean, I go

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 3>to hot Yoda all the time. I loved Yeah.

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so we uh we we just we love Sedona.

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 2>It's something something magical is going on over there. So

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:13.199
<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna go and Elope and find a mountain

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 2>top and get married.

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 3>And when do you win?

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh June?

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we all invite friends and family. No, okay, so

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:22.360
<v Speaker 3>why are you gonna wait till June?

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Because well, because I don't want to get confused with

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 2>an anniversary date. So I thought that I would just.

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.920
<v Speaker 3>You're the details here, I think, Yeah, I thought.

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 2>We could just pick the same date that we started

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.640
<v Speaker 2>dating as the marriage day, and then there's just one

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 2>date to remember.

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.200
<v Speaker 3>You don't have to worry about your engagement date once

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 3>you get your marriage date.

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 2>No, like are when we started dating.

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're that's impressive that you're going to celebrate that

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 3>one too, But.

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Like, we just keep it on the same date and

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 2>then But.

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying that if you want to get married, you

0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 3>can convince me once you get married, you could drop

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.679
<v Speaker 3>the gate the dating date, like, unless you just want

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.159
<v Speaker 3>to celebrate, which, honestly, you should celebrate everything you can

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 3>in this life, because life is worth celebrating. Yes, But

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like my husband and I we just celebrate

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 3>our marriage date.

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, But then when but then, like what if then

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh, how long have we been together? Though

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know? No who cares?

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Who cares? Okay, because eventually you're just together forever, Okay.

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Lee, We're probably just gonna go get married next week.

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:25.880
<v Speaker 2>It's settled.

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 3>So I'm kind of like, I'm whimsical with this stuff.

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 3>We eloped on a beach, yeah, and decided the day before. Okay,

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 3>so like I'm not really someone who's gonna plan it out.

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I am not either. That's why I'm like, I don't

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 2>really know how this is gonna go. It could just happen.

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 3>That's what we were on vacation in the Bahamas, and

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 3>literally we knew we were gonna get married, and we're like,

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 3>we don't want to do a big wedding. That sounds

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 3>very stressful and not fun and maybe a people pleaser.

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 3>Having back then, before I did some life coaching and stuff,

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I'm gonna have to entertain this whole wedding,

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 3>and what if people aren't having good time where something

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.239
<v Speaker 3>goes wrong, Like it's gonna be way too stressful, all

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 3>the money spent just like stress, stress, stressress. Yes, let's

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 3>just get her on the beach and swimsuit cover ups.

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, okay, so you didn't do you didn't do anything.

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 2>That's what that's me too.

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 3>And then we had a party when we got back.

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what we're doing.

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 1>It's the best.

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for people who are wired like that, it's really great.

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't want tradition. We don't want to pour

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 2>sand in an hour glass and make people sit in

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 2>silence for thirty minutes while they stare at us. I

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>don't want any of that.

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Have your vision.

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I have my vision. It's going to be cute, and

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be spiritual, and it's going to be

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 2>exactly what we need want it to be. You know,

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 3>I promote just eloping, yeah, and I feel like it

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 3>more eloping.

0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 2>You don't need to be eloping more.

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.160
<v Speaker 3>Unless you just met, and you don't need to elope,

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 3>like you know what.

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 2>No rules, whatever you rules, do it? Who cares?

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 3>One of my very best friends also eloped after like

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 3>four months of knowing someone and they're married with two kids.

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Doing been together a long time.

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, like probably like fifteen years at this point.

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 2>It okay. His sister, His sister and her uh now

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 2>wife eloped on Sunday just two weeks decided we're gonna

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 2>get alope, We're gonna go Elope next Sunday, and so yeah,

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 2>can you can you believe his parents had two gay games?

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:23.719
<v Speaker 3>I was trying to put that together. I'm like, did

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 3>you say his sister and his so his his parents

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 3>have a gay son and a gay daughter.

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes they do.

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 3>That's really like that can't be that common.

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 2>And it's the they're the only two siblings, like they're

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 2>they're the only two siblings.

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 3>But uh, okay, you know, did they like did they

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 3>know they're gay? Was it a big thing coming up?

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 1>They?

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I think Lee knew but didn't come out until high

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 2>school and Ali didn't come out until college, like much later.

0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, wild, isn't it wild?

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 3>For the parents? School journey, it's all been a journey.

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 3>It's still a journey. Journey, still a journey. I mean,

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 3>that's that's that's crazy to have too.

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, they like they grew up and went to

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>like Christian schools and Christian high private high schools and

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>all the things. So yeah, a little different journey for

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 2>them than my journey with my mom, but it has

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 2>been so great.

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 3>There's always an opportunity to learn.

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for my mom and their mom and to have

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 2>that like kind of I don't know, like perspective if

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 2>you will, like for their mom to see my mom

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 2>and that my mom somehow balances being religious and having

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 2>a relationship with God and also unconditionally loving her child.

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>It's been a really good thing.

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 3>Man. We are here just to learn some lessons.

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Aren't weane?

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 3>Literally Yeah, I think about the all time. I have

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 3>so many friends going through stuff right now, like losing people, divorce,

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 3>like all sorts of situations, and I'm like, man, we

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 3>are really here just to like learn. Yeah, And when

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 3>you're in the middle of a growth phase? Was it

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 3>for that we were talking about earlier? Like it's like, man,

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.479
<v Speaker 3>is this ever going to end? And it's like another

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 3>level and then you have to go to another level

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 3>as soon as you start like elevating your thoughts, then

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 3>it's like.

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Another hurdle, all right, which which is I guess? I

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>guess the point for me is to find the balance

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 2>in it all and find that like and just understanding

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 2>that it's all teaching us what we need to know

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>to be better in the next phase of life, right,

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>And so that's kind of how I have centered myself

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 2>in the chaos a little bit.

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 3>You know who I love is mel Robbins And she's

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 3>this awesome author podcaster, and she has this new book

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 3>called Let Them. It's called the let Them Theory, and

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 3>it's basically like let them do like leave you out

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 3>of inviting you to a party, Let them think this

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 3>way about whatever. Let them like have a decision that

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 3>you don't agree with, like, let them let you have

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 3>weird badst Let you not be fully excited about everything

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 3>that's ever happened in your childhood and these people did

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 3>that or whatever, this, that and the other. Let people

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 3>don't worry about it, don't hang on to it, like,

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 3>just let them.

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>And isn't that all we all are really asking for.

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 3>Too, is like everybody to understand my mind. If you

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 3>got up in this mind, I couldn't even I couldn't.

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Even for you. I'm scared for you, okay, and.

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Constantly learning and rewiring and getting new information, and like

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 3>nobody's setting stone right. Just let people evolve, let people live,

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Let them live.

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>What is it?

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 2>What is it doing to you to let somebody else.

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 3>And keep yourself create the life that you want.

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Surround yourself with the people that you align with, and

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 2>fuck everybody else.

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 3>And just do you ultimately, if we all could, just

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 3>like literally like you said, just stay centered on love,

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 3>focus on the betterment of ourselves.

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that.

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 3>Let us have a therapy for this therapy lesson today.

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 3>Welcome to my therapy. Couch. You cannot sit down without

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 3>spilling your entire life.

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Much is this gonna cost?

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, just your entire soul.

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 2>My two French bulldogs? Will that work?

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Pearl? And who are they?

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Priscilla and Pearl? My little pigs.

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 3>They're so cute, ye, the cutest. We sit around and

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 3>talk about how much we love our dogs all the time,

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 3>all the time, like how much they add to our life?

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 2>What is this obsession?

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Like they add so much?

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I live in a zoo and I

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>love it.

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you have two dogs any other thing?

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, actually have We have three dogs, but two of them.

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Mini is No, she's just senior citizen. She's she's literally

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:44.399
<v Speaker 2>knocking on the Rainbow bridges door like, hey, y'all got

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 2>space for me. No, We've got her like set up

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 2>in what we call hospice care. We've got like a

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>corner of our living room where we've like barricaded her

0:34:56.520 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 2>from being trampled by wild pigs. And that's she's like

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.040
<v Speaker 2>a fifteen year old chihuahua.

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 3>So you know, maybe she's getting the best with worlds

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 3>because she's in on all the action. Yes, she sees everything,

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 3>she hears those rascals. Yes, but yet she's like, I.

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Am locked off not getting murdered. Okay, that's not how

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 2>we wanted.

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 3>To get We don't want that for many many Yeah.

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 2>So three dogs, two cats, and then a stray cat

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 2>just showed up outside. I don't know, I'm like snow

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 2>white or some shit. Like the animals just hear me calling,

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 2>and they're like the birds land on your arms, literally birds,

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 2>eagles landing on my arm. I don't know how they

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 2>got here. I'm like bringing them all in and Lee

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:37.280
<v Speaker 2>comes home and he's like fucking pissed.

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Just there's another one.

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 2>There's another one. We now have three cats and three dogs.

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 3>But listen, I love to collect animals do I can't

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 3>help it. I love it.

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 2>I relate to animals more than I relate to people sometimes,

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>especially in my home space, because I'm such a like wild, kooky,

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 2>crazy person when it comes to like being social with people.

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 2>When I get home, I'm like a calm, haveurbal refreshment.

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 3>So you like introvert extrovert when you get home, you

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 3>need to introvert hard yep.

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 2>With just my dogs piled on top of me.

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.879
<v Speaker 3>And just kind of like let your body calm down, literally, yeah,

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 3>because you go use all your energy and then you

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:15.399
<v Speaker 3>have to.

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Just like get it back. And I get that from

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:21.279
<v Speaker 2>my wild pigs. They like feed me my energy back.

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 3>They can't wait to give it to you because they

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 3>love you so much, so much, so much. Yeah, okay,

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 3>So are you touring this year? Are you on the road?

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 3>You just don't want it for mar and Morris a

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:34.800
<v Speaker 3>lot recently?

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, so we we did stumble upon opening for

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 2>Maren Morris last year.

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:43.479
<v Speaker 3>That's so fun.

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 2>It was so fun.

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Are you all friends?

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean no, but.

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 3>You had a great time.

0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 2>No, but we had a great time. And she was

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.359
<v Speaker 2>such a grand so sweet, and she was just magnificent.

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 3>And I remember when she came out, I was like, man,

0:36:58.800 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Maren has such a great boy.

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 2>That voice is like no other. Like, yeah, the best

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 2>part about opening for her was that then I got

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>to like sit as close as I've ever set to

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:15.839
<v Speaker 2>like witness her show and experience all that she is.

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 2>It was unreal. I mean, just like vocals down like

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 2>the tiniest, tiniest little person just with the biggest voice

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>you've ever heard.

0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:31.359
<v Speaker 3>Isn't it cool to get to see people that you

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 3>admire their talent and you see them in action, like

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 3>we were actually talking about Raina, our friend who does

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Jey for Landy Wilson. Yes, amazing.

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:43.399
<v Speaker 2>No, she does wardrobe. She does the wardrobe, she does

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 2>the whole wardrobe.

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 3>No, she does not where she takes all of her clothes.

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Rainda Girr stylist extraordinary, but she like.

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 3>Sews all of Lanny's clothes. So they just come up

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.839
<v Speaker 3>with this, don't talk about the creatives. They just come

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 3>up with vision.

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes she does, and then make them. Well after that,

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>well I'll show you some of the things that she's made.

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna be totally freaking.

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 3>She probably has all her measurements so she can just

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 3>whip anything up. Oh yeah anytime, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 2>So now she's been doing it for long enough that

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 2>exactly that she just has these wild crazy ass ideas.

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 2>It just makes and just makes it just.

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 3>Gives them to Lanny and she just loves them. Yes,

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.280
<v Speaker 3>that is what is so cool when a creative community

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 3>comes together, because to get the full picture you need

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 3>so many different elements. You need someone to catch the

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:32.799
<v Speaker 3>visuals in photography like a Ford Fair child, We love

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 3>you so much. You need a Raina to understand the

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 3>clothing aspect. You need someone to help you co write.

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 3>Ruby says he you need a Ruby, you need a

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 3>movie to give you love. But like, no, it's not

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 3>that an artist can't be all of that, but you

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 3>need to be able to collaborate with people who have

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 3>that same kind of creative energy and who have an expertise.

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 2>In something different than you. Yes, you know, because that's

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 2>where the magic happens. Yes, that's even with like even

0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 2>with like my style journey that I have been on.

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 3>How would you call your style?

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 2>No, it's like it's like western glam um, Yeah, like

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>western he'll billy glam. I don't know. It's uh. I

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 2>love a Rynstone. I love uh. I love to pay

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 2>homage to like days past, like the sixties when men

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>weren't afraid to wear ls.

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 3>You were heels. Hello, I know, h John Travolta and

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 3>Disco Fever were heels all the time.

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:34.839
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So like for me, that is where a lot

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 2>of my inspo comes. Raina actually got me a this

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:41.880
<v Speaker 2>like West, how the West was worn, And it's like

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 2>this old book of just like all all of the

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:51.279
<v Speaker 2>things you can even imagine of, like western wear and

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 2>so we'll just like be flipping through this book and

0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:59.359
<v Speaker 2>like find inspiration from a suit from nineteen sixty that

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.879
<v Speaker 2>we want to like recreate in a different.

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 3>Way and it can do it. So y'all can come

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 3>up with it and she can do it. How fun?

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Is that? So fun? I've learned so much from her.

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 3>Like these so fun.

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>These sparkly pants.

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Are custom made me. You made those me, so you

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 3>like cut one up and then put another one in.

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I just like smoke a little stone, a little you know,

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:27.120
<v Speaker 2>And that's that is how I also work through like

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 2>my own neuroses.

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:30.359
<v Speaker 3>Is like, oh yeah, I process at all.

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:32.959
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Remember we talked about like going home and sitting

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 2>in silence. For me, that is like ron stoning a

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:39.359
<v Speaker 2>pair of pants and stone and stony and.

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Thinking about everything that you've gone through. Yes, I've known

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 3>some healers in my life and they say, that's what

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 3>that is actually used for. People use like you know,

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 3>natural medicines for all sorts of stuff. But really, ultimately,

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.239
<v Speaker 3>if you use it wisely and correctly, it does help

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:56.840
<v Speaker 3>you process your life in a spiritual way totally, you know, totally.

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.759
<v Speaker 3>I do that in yoga. I will literally cry in

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 3>the back of the yoga class because I will just

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 3>be sitting there going through my entire life. And I

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 3>did that. I did it. I probably did it for

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 3>two years straight. I had a bunch of miscarriages and

0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 3>then just lunch a bunch of life stuff, and just

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.239
<v Speaker 3>like I was so overwhelmed with all of my like

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 3>sorrow that I would go to yoga and just get

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:19.760
<v Speaker 3>in the back of the class, and I would feel

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:21.880
<v Speaker 3>the pain in my body like where it was locked

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden, like a memory would

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 3>come flooding in and I would just weep and weep

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 3>and weep and weep, and then.

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:28.359
<v Speaker 2>It would just go away, right.

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 3>And I just did that until I didn't have any

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 3>more tears.

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:33.720
<v Speaker 2>To cry, no tears left to cry.

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:35.879
<v Speaker 3>You gotta get them out. If you keep them all

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 3>locked in, they stay stuck, literally get stuck in your body.

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:42.839
<v Speaker 2>Of your body, and then you have like I don't know,

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.240
<v Speaker 2>some weird yeah.

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:47.879
<v Speaker 3>And we're not doctors, so by the way, we are

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 3>not diagnosing. But I do believe that, like trauma, pain

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:55.239
<v Speaker 3>gets stuck in your body, you have to get it out.

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not a doctor, but that's the truth.

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 3>I am not a doctor. That's my own experience, and

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 3>I am here to live the tale that I feel

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.320
<v Speaker 3>so like I used to I could cry on demand

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 3>all the time because I had so much like just

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 3>store trauma.

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 2>And you can't anymore.

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean, I could get crying, but I'm not.

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 3>They're not ready hears aren't just like they're not like actively,

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 3>they're not just waiting for a moment to trigger them.

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you know, I kind of feel like I am

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:20.840
<v Speaker 2>a little bit like, Okay, well you're.

0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 3>Still in it though. That's good, but you're in the

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.439
<v Speaker 3>process of healing and getting them out truly. Yeah, I'm

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 3>just because now I feel a little hardened and I'm

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:29.760
<v Speaker 3>like whoa. But I'm like thank you.

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, really.

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:34.880
<v Speaker 3>So happy because for so long I was like literally

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 3>available to cry at any given moment. Yeah, the world

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:39.080
<v Speaker 3>is too much.

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, and and and we're all on the journey

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 2>of you know whatever. The radical self love is what

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 2>we like to say, I love that.

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Tell me what you love about music, why you love

0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 3>country music, what you want your audience to feel from

0:42:59.600 --> 0:42:59.959
<v Speaker 3>your show.

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I I have only ever known country.

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:08.720
<v Speaker 3>Music, being from Arkansas and Alabama. Yeah, in Kentucky.

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like spending so much time in Arkansas growing up

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 2>as a child. Did you know there is a Russellville, Arkansas? Okay,

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:17.520
<v Speaker 2>and that I'm from Russellville, Kentucky.

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh it's like on the line. It's like text Arcana.

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:22.280
<v Speaker 3>It's in Arkansas and in Texas Arkansas.

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:26.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know much you know about geography? Okay,

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 2>but Kentucky and Arkansas do not touch.

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay? Are you being mean to me right now?

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Never?

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:33.319
<v Speaker 3>Did you trick me?

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 2>No? No, no, no, no no wait no, I'm just

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:39.280
<v Speaker 2>saying that there is a Russellville, Arkansas, and there's also

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:40.760
<v Speaker 2>a Russellville, Kentucky.

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh they're two different ones.

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Very different, very very much like hundreds of miles apart.

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:47.799
<v Speaker 3>I said, I did the Amazing Race two times and

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:49.799
<v Speaker 3>we ended up in all these countries, and JIN would

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 3>be like, Caroline, where are we going to be?

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:53.399
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea, Like I have geography here?

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Did you love it? Yes? Can I just ask you

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:56.280
<v Speaker 2>a couple of things?

0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Sure?

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.319
<v Speaker 2>Can I turn the titles here really quick? Yeah? Yeah,

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:02.759
<v Speaker 2>go for it? What what?

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 1>What?

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:05.399
<v Speaker 2>What were you on the show for a long time?

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:08.399
<v Speaker 3>We made it with two seasons. We were season twenty two.

0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 3>We made it to the season finale, me and Jen

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Wayne who's in Runaway June, who Ford also knows has

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:16.440
<v Speaker 3>done pictures for her. We made it to the finale,

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 3>got to the season foul finale where we were putting

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 3>light bulbs in that letter I on the Mirage skyscraper

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 3>in Vegas, and then I skydived into the Vegas Motor

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Speedway with an electric light suit on that was like

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 3>lighting up and like the sky sky dived in and was

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 3>like raising for the finale and almost one we lost

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:39.279
<v Speaker 3>by like basically twenty seconds. No, and then we got

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 3>invited back to All Stars with all the favorite like

0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:45.400
<v Speaker 3>cast and had another world of Mitcher and we we

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 3>got fourth the first time and we got second on

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 3>All Stars.

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Shut.

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was epic it went. I'm so I got

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:54.839
<v Speaker 3>so lucky with how that played out because it was

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 3>just the most.

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Fun was it Not really hard?

0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Though it's so hard. But Jen Partner and I were

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 3>perfect partners because we were both single. We were both

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:08.360
<v Speaker 3>boy crazy. We love it. We're in our late twenties.

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 3>We were best friends. We had been in a band

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 3>together for like seven years, so we had learned how

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.959
<v Speaker 3>to live in the most strenuous situations, learned how to fight,

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:20.719
<v Speaker 3>We learned how to We knew each other's strengths, we

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:24.239
<v Speaker 3>knew each other's weaknesses, and we also knew that the

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 3>only way to win would for us to be fully

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 3>teammates and not tearing each other down. And so we

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 3>never tore each other down. We would always try to

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:36.279
<v Speaker 3>do the challenge that would be the best fit for

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:38.799
<v Speaker 3>the person. But sometimes you draw one and like Jin

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 3>had a swim and she can't swim that she had

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 3>to because she it was her time to do it.

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:46.840
<v Speaker 3>It just worked out where she had to do that challenge.

0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 3>So sometimes that happens. You know, she didn't drown, She

0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 3>didn't drown. We ended up that's what we got out.

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 3>We'd made it to the finale. But like so sometimes

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 3>and then like I had like she was so good

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:57.840
<v Speaker 3>at memory stuff, so like when we thought there was

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 3>a memory challenge, she could take either one of us, right, God, yes,

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 3>But then like if it was skydiving, I was like,

0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 3>give it to me all day because I want that.

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what my strength would be because I

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>watched this show and I think, God, I would I

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 2>would kill it on this show, and then now we're

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:17.840
<v Speaker 2>talking about it, like, but I'm not gonna do heights.

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm definitely not gonna be good at puzzles, and my

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 2>stamina for cardio is not very high.

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:23.439
<v Speaker 3>I mean you might have a hard time.

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:27.360
<v Speaker 2>So that's actually everything that this show.

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:31.720
<v Speaker 3>You have to be a physical is no joke running

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 3>all the time. You are stressed out all the time,

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:37.279
<v Speaker 3>and you are constantly at a tin like it took

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:38.319
<v Speaker 3>us like two months to.

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Calm down, and you're in other countries.

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 3>In other countries you can't speak the language or you

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:44.879
<v Speaker 3>can't speak the language. You're like, I don't know, I'm

0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 3>like having these breakdowns. Thank god, Jin. It's cool under pressure,

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 3>and she's so good at communicating and the puzzles and

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:51.920
<v Speaker 3>thanking and being smart because I was.

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 4>Like, I don't know, nobody, nobody knows what I'm saying.

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:01.359
<v Speaker 3>Jin was like the cool call here, like you're yes, yeah,

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 3>but also she's created anyway, we were just a great match.

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 2>We did a great job.

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 3>It was fun. I'm obsessed with Some people do terrible

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:09.880
<v Speaker 3>because they rip each other apart.

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've seen a couple of those. I've seen a

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 2>couple of those couples who maybe aren't couples.

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:16.720
<v Speaker 3>You fight really hard on the amazing race. You're shooting

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.360
<v Speaker 3>yourself in the foot because it's already hard enough. Yeah,

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:20.800
<v Speaker 3>isn't that in life?

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:24.759
<v Speaker 3>And we realized that, like just being positive and uplifting

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 3>and being a team player helping other people.

0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:30.759
<v Speaker 2>You probably took that took so much from that experience

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 2>into your life.

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 3>After trusting the process, doing the very best you can

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 3>every single time, and then you can't worry about the outcome.

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know.

0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 3>And I did it a perfect time in life. I

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.920
<v Speaker 3>wasn't married, I was single, our band had just kind

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 3>of fallen apart. It was like epic.

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, well I am gonna go Binge four

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty four. I'll watch both. I'm not even I'm not

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 2>even the great.

0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 3>I just watched them with my daughter, and because she

0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 3>like found she saw the I was on it, She's like, Mom,

0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 3>can we watch it? And I was like, I hadn't

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:04.799
<v Speaker 3>seen it in ten years. And I just watched him

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 3>again and I was like, I'm so proud of myself

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 3>because I feel like we were such good, Like I

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 3>feel proud of the person I am on the show too,

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 3>because we were positive, we were kind, we worked hard,

0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.239
<v Speaker 3>we showed up for each other. Yeah, Like, I'm so

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:20.279
<v Speaker 3>glad that I can show you.

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:24.280
<v Speaker 2>This was such a little like nostalgic moment to share

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.399
<v Speaker 2>with your daughter, to be like, oh my gosh, this

0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 2>was before you and I did that. I did all this.

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:31.160
<v Speaker 3>It's cool.

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:32.600
<v Speaker 2>That's really cool.

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:36.399
<v Speaker 3>I love that, Adam, thanks for that walked on memory lane.

0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, thank you for sharing, Thank you for caring. No,

0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm seriously I'm going to go bingj it

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.120
<v Speaker 2>and then I'll text you and be like, oh my god,

0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 2>you're literally a superhero.

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:51.360
<v Speaker 3>Yes exactly, thanks for noticing. Yeah, so what do you

0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:52.760
<v Speaker 3>want people to feel wh they're at your shows?

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, gosh, yeah, I'm sorry. I got on that tangent.

0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 3>I love you. We're already been talking an out hour,

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:01.600
<v Speaker 3>so we'll probably up up here. But I literally love it.

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:02.880
<v Speaker 3>I love just chatting.

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is shooting the breeze. I love that. No,

0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, basically, to sum it all up, I grew

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 2>up loving country music. It's all I ever knew. I

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:20.960
<v Speaker 2>struggled when I first moved to town twelve years ago

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:25.760
<v Speaker 2>or however long it was trying to figure out how

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 2>someone like me fits into a space where I didn't

0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 2>see anybody that looked like me or told stories like me,

0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 2>or told stories that I could relate to. And I

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 2>struggled with trying to fit into the box that was

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.160
<v Speaker 2>set before me that I thought, this is the only

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:48.279
<v Speaker 2>way that it works. And so I did that for

0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 2>a long time, a very many years. I did that,

0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 2>try to try to just like do what's on the radio.

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Just try to write songs that are on the radio,

0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.080
<v Speaker 2>and that's how you'll be successful.

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Which is not authentic.

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:02.360
<v Speaker 2>It's not at all.

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.719
<v Speaker 3>And like it's not real, so like, yeah, I know.

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:11.560
<v Speaker 2>And so it wasn't until really, I mean, I think

0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:16.319
<v Speaker 2>the pandemic really kind of shook everyone and was like, hey,

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:21.440
<v Speaker 2>figure out what matters to you, okay, really really yeah,

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:25.439
<v Speaker 2>And for me that was like figuring out that I'm

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:30.480
<v Speaker 2>just truthfully going to write songs that are my experience,

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:34.279
<v Speaker 2>write the stories that I wish that I had been

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 2>able to hear growing up. And it wasn't until that

0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 2>point that I kind of found and connected to my people,

0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:44.920
<v Speaker 2>like the people who get me.

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:48.319
<v Speaker 3>You know what, Funny, we run so hard thinking that like,

0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 3>if we actually let people know it was on the inside,

0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:52.319
<v Speaker 3>they would hate us. But then when you actually show

0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:54.640
<v Speaker 3>people what's on the inside, then people are like, oh.

0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Wait, I feel that too, that's me too, for everyone,

0:50:58.200 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 2>that's for anyone.

0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 3>You've got to show you and the people who you

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 3>resonate with are looking for you.

0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, that's how you find How how are your

0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:08.920
<v Speaker 2>people supposed to find you if you're not gonna let

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 2>them know who you are? You know what I mean?

0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh that was like profound on a pillow. But truthfully,

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 2>that's truthfully what happened to me. It wasn't until I

0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:25.440
<v Speaker 2>started putting myself out there and not being afraid to

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:29.399
<v Speaker 2>like be all of this and all like incorporate all

0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:31.480
<v Speaker 2>the things that I love and that make me who

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I am. It wasn't until that moment that it all

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:37.520
<v Speaker 2>clicked for me, and I was like.

0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, And now you probably don't have like

0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:41.000
<v Speaker 3>distress about it because you're just doing you.

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm just and I'm an independent artist. I get to

0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:46.959
<v Speaker 2>make all of my own decisions as long as Ford

0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 2>says I candly, no, I yeah, yeah no, But but

0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:02.279
<v Speaker 2>really I think there's power in that too. I think

0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:06.799
<v Speaker 2>being in this town for so long, I was constantly

0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:10.879
<v Speaker 2>running towards what I thought would would make me successful,

0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:14.839
<v Speaker 2>a record deal, a publishing deal, whatever those things are.

0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:19.880
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't until the last few years where I

0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 2>realized the power in my independence and like that that

0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:27.200
<v Speaker 2>meant that I am in control. I get to make

0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 2>all of the decisions. I get to tell my story

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 2>on my terms, exactly how I want to do it,

0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:35.839
<v Speaker 2>exactly what I wanted to look like. And that has

0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:40.680
<v Speaker 2>been the most inspiring I have felt, so I don't know,

0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:44.200
<v Speaker 2>like lifted from all of the weight of what I

0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 2>thought I needed to be, you know what I mean.

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.840
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just having more fun. I'm just literally having fun,

0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:54.200
<v Speaker 2>which is crazy. This is this is our job.

0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:59.400
<v Speaker 3>Hey just go Calbo, Cowbo, Just go Cowboy. Y'all go

0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.359
<v Speaker 3>check it out. And if you're doing some shows, I'm

0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:03.560
<v Speaker 3>are you on the road?

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Not right now, but we are. We've got a new

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:08.759
<v Speaker 2>album coming out in the new year.

0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:10.359
<v Speaker 3>Are we talking about it?

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:10.719
<v Speaker 2>We can?

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay, tell me about it. I did not even realize that.

0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:15.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, did you? You probably told me that And

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:17.000
<v Speaker 3>I just want to listen to is that while we're

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:18.440
<v Speaker 3>here to talk about the new album?

0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:20.959
<v Speaker 2>Wait is wait? Are we here to promote a new album?

0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:22.239
<v Speaker 3>I know, we just wanted to chat.

0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:22.960
<v Speaker 2>What the hell?

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:24.799
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, thank god we got to.

0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 2>This where am I? Yeah, No, we're we're we're talking

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:31.279
<v Speaker 2>about it, but we're also not talking about all the details.

0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Basically post post well we didn't really talk about you know,

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the whole like festival thing where I like canceled a

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:47.120
<v Speaker 2>festival gig that I had in my hometown, which was

0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:51.360
<v Speaker 2>a whole thing, but it's what led to me opening

0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 2>for Marion, And it was truly a time where I

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:58.840
<v Speaker 2>chose myself, even though I was kind of scared to

0:53:58.960 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 2>like be a canceler, you know what I mean, like

0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:05.360
<v Speaker 2>to cancel a big gig, especially like in my hometown

0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I was so excited for. But there was just like

0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:14.640
<v Speaker 2>some people who were talking about protesting and showing up

0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 2>and picketing in front of my set and like not

0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:21.440
<v Speaker 2>allowing me to put on my show and causing problems

0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:24.560
<v Speaker 2>with like the board, and then the board was like

0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:28.239
<v Speaker 2>also the lady who booked me called him, was like, yeah,

0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:31.320
<v Speaker 2>they're just concerned that you're gonna be like promoting homosexuality,

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, look at me, I'm a walking

0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:41.400
<v Speaker 2>billboard for homosexuality. So just existing, I guess, is promoting homosexuality.

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.720
<v Speaker 2>But like with all of that, all the things that

0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:48.400
<v Speaker 2>that were that kind of unfolded, I chose to not

0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 2>do the show.

0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:51.040
<v Speaker 3>That was a big decision.

0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.120
<v Speaker 2>It was I felt like I was letting a lot

0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:55.960
<v Speaker 2>of people down in the moment. It was a really

0:54:56.200 --> 0:54:59.880
<v Speaker 2>tough thing for me to do, and in doing so,

0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:04.840
<v Speaker 2>oh it ended up Oh, I mean, I posted a

0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 2>video because I also had never canceled a show. I

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 2>was like, I want people to know, like what's going on.

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't want them to think that I'm just like

0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing that. And so I posted a video

0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:18.080
<v Speaker 2>and and basically by Ford.

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay, by Ford, I know for this is to leave

0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:23.319
<v Speaker 3>thirty minutes ago, thanks for saying.

0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:31.040
<v Speaker 2>And so I posted a video online and just explained

0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:33.440
<v Speaker 2>what was going on. And it was like a matter

0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:38.160
<v Speaker 2>of hours that it had like gone viral, and our

0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:41.800
<v Speaker 2>country queens like Kelsey Ballerini and Maren Morris and Brandy

0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Clark and a bunch of these divas were just like

0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:48.400
<v Speaker 2>in my comments, like showing up for me and supporting me.

0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:51.840
<v Speaker 2>And next thing that I knew Maren's team was reaching

0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:57.440
<v Speaker 2>out to me to open for her Lunatics show in Chicago,

0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 2>and it was so this album that's coming out is

0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:05.720
<v Speaker 2>really everything post that moment.

0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:07.120
<v Speaker 3>That a life changing moment for you.

0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Yep, it was a moment where I chose myself and

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:15.440
<v Speaker 2>stood stood up for myself and it was scary. But

0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:19.840
<v Speaker 2>then everything that has came from that year, this past

0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:25.160
<v Speaker 2>year has been so life altering, and the songs that

0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:28.560
<v Speaker 2>I've been writing are just like from that space, from

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:33.680
<v Speaker 2>that place of like choosing myself, choosing my family, my

0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.560
<v Speaker 2>chosen family, the people who show up for me. It's

0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:41.879
<v Speaker 2>really just it's been the most beautiful project I've ever

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:46.840
<v Speaker 2>worked on. Really a lot of therapy, a lot of healing.

0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Music is healing.

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah we did, I haven't told.

0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 3>Want to do? Is it still under wrapped? Okay? Okay, Okay?

0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:58.080
<v Speaker 3>When is it coming out?

0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:04.319
<v Speaker 2>It is coming out in the summer, and I.

0:57:04.280 --> 0:57:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Mean we can tell what it is, no, don't. I

0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:07.120
<v Speaker 3>don't know.

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Remember when I talked about being independent, I can do

0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:10.040
<v Speaker 2>whatever I want.

0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Then what is it?

0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:12.920
<v Speaker 2>It's called Southern Spectacle.

0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:15.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, and it's.

0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Which kind of just encompasses everything you see everything that

0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I am. It is uh, it's audacious, and it is campy,

0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's funny, and it's silly and it's heartfelt. It's

0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:33.640
<v Speaker 2>like all of the things that make me who I

0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:35.920
<v Speaker 2>am wrapped up in an album.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, congrats on your most authentic album. That has to

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<v Speaker 3>feel so good, so good, so good. I have loved

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<v Speaker 3>getting to know you, Adam, sister for life. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>wait to follow your journey. I always wrap up with

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<v Speaker 3>leave your Light, and it's super open ended. What do

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<v Speaker 3>you want people to know? Just drop some inspo?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I have dropped some inspo here. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me just see leave your light, well, leave your light

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<v Speaker 2>wherever you go, right, take your light with you. Spread joy,

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<v Speaker 2>spread love, positivity, be kind to people, and have a

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<v Speaker 2>good damn time.

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<v Speaker 3>Preach right, Adam, thank you so much for joining. This

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<v Speaker 3>was so fun, Adam Mac. Check out your music and

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<v Speaker 3>follow along on your journey. And congrats. I'm getting married

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<v Speaker 3>next year.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, thanks sister.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, bye bye