WEBVTT - Entitlement Creep Alert--CA's Socialized Healthcare. 

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<v Speaker 1>So back in the day when we first got acquainted

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<v Speaker 1>with Craig got Walls, we called him Craig the Obamacare

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<v Speaker 1>Lawyer because helps us understand what the legislation actually was

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<v Speaker 1>and what it would mean, as opposed to all the

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<v Speaker 1>political spin flying around at the time. If you like

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<v Speaker 1>your doctor, you can keep your doctor, et cetera. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's worth mentioning that always came to the conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>that Obamacare is going to lead to single payer payer

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare all across America. It's inevitable. Get ready for it? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and Craig was almost always one percent right. He is

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<v Speaker 1>now known as Craig the Healthcare Guru, and he joins

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<v Speaker 1>us to discuss cal Unicornia leading the way friends toward

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<v Speaker 1>bringing socialized health healthcare to everyone, including illegal alien aliens.

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<v Speaker 1>Craig got Walls, Joses, Now, Craig, how are you. I'm well,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you, gentlemen? Good? So, unbeknownst to many people,

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<v Speaker 1>Gavin Nucelini of cal Unicornia proposed something like universal healthcare

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<v Speaker 1>the other day in the budget. What do you actually proposed?

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<v Speaker 1>What does it mean? Well, I've got a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things going on at the state level right now, Gavin's

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<v Speaker 1>proposal was was kind of a quiet and the easy

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<v Speaker 1>one because in the past, in the past two years,

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<v Speaker 1>we extended medical which is California's version of Medicaid, and

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<v Speaker 1>that that is the that is the government sponsored healthcare,

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<v Speaker 1>the taxpayer funded healthcare that is designed to help the

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<v Speaker 1>low income. Now, it is worth noting before we go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead in when the government passed Medicaid, it was designed

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<v Speaker 1>to cover the lowest two percent of income folks in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. As of the latest government research in

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<v Speaker 1>California alone, of all children are on medicaid and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of all births are now covered by Medicaid. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you mentioned that because not to get too

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<v Speaker 1>far off track, but that's why you gotta fight things

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<v Speaker 1>like build Back Better, all those programs that they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get started where it'll just help this many people

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<v Speaker 1>for this long. These are how these things start and

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<v Speaker 1>you go from it's gonna cover two percent to it's

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<v Speaker 1>fifty anyway back to you, Craig, that's right. And one

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<v Speaker 1>more fun fact on this in nive when the government

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<v Speaker 1>passed Medicare and Medicaid, the government actuaries which I heard

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<v Speaker 1>earlier or on a podcast yesterday from you all that

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the number one jobs in America. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>government actuary said, you know what, it's gonna cost twelve

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<v Speaker 1>billion in nineteen ninety. So they looked out, they said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this whole thing is gonna cost clubly. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually cost a hundred and seven billion, and nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety they were only by a factor of nine. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we whatever we're doing here in California, you

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<v Speaker 1>can assume they're going to be off by a factor

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<v Speaker 1>of nine as well. So back to what Newsom did

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<v Speaker 1>with respect to unlawful residents. Um, we had two years

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<v Speaker 1>ago we had made it so that anybody here, whether

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<v Speaker 1>they're legal or illegal, can have free government medical through

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<v Speaker 1>the age of twenty six. Last year they said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not fair to just give it to

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<v Speaker 1>the young people. We ought to give it to the

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<v Speaker 1>old people too, So last year they made it legal

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<v Speaker 1>to give it to anybody over the age of fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>And this year, of course, they closed donut Hole because

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want to discriminate against the middle aged. And

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<v Speaker 1>so now the proposal is everybody who's here illegally can

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<v Speaker 1>get free medicaid. For all, perfect example of entitlement creep.

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<v Speaker 1>How you know, those just outside the window can reasonably

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<v Speaker 1>make the argument, hey, I'm just two years old or

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<v Speaker 1>what hell am I getting? That's why entitlements always grow.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, it's just like going back to whatever that

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<v Speaker 1>book was we've talked about, where it was for Civil

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<v Speaker 1>War veterans, then it was civil Civil War veterans wives,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was for the children and the wives of

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<v Speaker 1>Civil War well, anybody who was alive during the Civil War.

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<v Speaker 1>And then pretty soon it's everybody. Um, while up to

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<v Speaker 1>over fifty now closed the gap. Everybody incredible, everybody now everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>And and that's how you get from two percent of

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<v Speaker 1>people are going to be covered by this low income program.

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<v Speaker 1>So now half of all births are covered by the

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<v Speaker 1>low income program. And everybody listening should know that Craig

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely knows what he's saying when he uses the word free.

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<v Speaker 1>Um oh yeah, free. You know, Craig, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most interesting and revealing things you've taught

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<v Speaker 1>us through the years is that whether Congress or a

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<v Speaker 1>state legislature like California, one of the tricks they use

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<v Speaker 1>is they say, well, this will be affordable because we

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<v Speaker 1>will cut the compensation to doctors by and they'll just

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<v Speaker 1>take it so the numbers work. But of course that

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<v Speaker 1>never happens because the legislature in question never makes that

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<v Speaker 1>cut because no doctor would see any patients. What sort

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<v Speaker 1>of high jinks have you seen in the California build

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<v Speaker 1>it that make it dishonest? Well, you you absolutely nailed at, Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's exactly what happens is they say we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>trim this, We're gonna trim that, we're gonna cut this

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<v Speaker 1>so so far in the California. So the Gavin this

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<v Speaker 1>is just the Gavin proposal. This one's the easy one.

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<v Speaker 1>This one's gonna pass, the one we're talking about here

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<v Speaker 1>where we're going to give free healthcare to all all people,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they're here lawfully or not. The other one that

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats proposed just recently is an even more aggressive I

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<v Speaker 1>would call it beyond Medica to care for all. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's confusing when we've got medical that Medicaid, which is

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<v Speaker 1>low income Medicare which is for seniors, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>federal level they talk about Medicare for all, Medicare for all,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's never gonna happen honestly, because Medicare costs something

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<v Speaker 1>like fourteen thousand dollars per citizen, whereas Medicaid only costs

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<v Speaker 1>something like four thousand dollars per citizen because it reimburses

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<v Speaker 1>doctors so low. What what they're doing is they're setting

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<v Speaker 1>the targets out at Medicare for All. But ultimately what

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna do is what they've done exactly here with

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<v Speaker 1>this illegal alien bill, and that's they're they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>slide in Medicaid for all because Medicaid, even though it

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<v Speaker 1>would blow up our budget, would blow up our budget

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<v Speaker 1>only to the tune of one third of what Medicare

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<v Speaker 1>for All would blow up our budget. So what California

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<v Speaker 1>has done simultaneously with what Gavin's proposing is in the

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<v Speaker 1>legislative level, we're proposing cow Care, which will be one

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<v Speaker 1>step beyond Medicare for All, because this will be a

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<v Speaker 1>government run agency and a bore of government directors that

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<v Speaker 1>will coordinate all of our health care in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of California. This is the one that gets rid of

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<v Speaker 1>insurance companies and says basically, it's kind of like VA

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<v Speaker 1>for California. So UM I believe that this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. It's just going to happen. Get used to it,

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<v Speaker 1>bend over and take it. So what is what is

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<v Speaker 1>the world gonna look like in terms of access to doctors,

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<v Speaker 1>number of doctors care, that sort of stuff in your prediction. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to share. I wanted to share a few

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<v Speaker 1>just my opinion is I guess useful, right, But I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to share some statistics with you on this. If

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<v Speaker 1>you right now are seeking a disability, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>a disability and you have to get that disability through

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<v Speaker 1>the Social Security Administration at the federal level, your average

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<v Speaker 1>right time to get paid is six hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three days. Okay, that's how wealth government handles insurance. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>One more, just with respect to healthcare in the VA,

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<v Speaker 1>because this California Care thing is gonna look a lot

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<v Speaker 1>like the v A if they get it done. In

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<v Speaker 1>the v A reported, hey, we've got weight times down

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<v Speaker 1>to eight days. Great, because they had so many from

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<v Speaker 1>independent audit showed it was twenty seven days. Point being guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to see these kinds of weight times or

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<v Speaker 1>more whether you're trying to get a claim paid to

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<v Speaker 1>see a doctor, to see a specialist right now because

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<v Speaker 1>of all the people we've thrown in the Medicaid kids

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<v Speaker 1>can't see kids in the Medicaid system, of which half

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<v Speaker 1>of them were born into the Medicaid system, can't get

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<v Speaker 1>mental health expertise because the reimbursements are too low. A

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<v Speaker 1>few mental health providers and we can't we can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Why that's rough. Do you see any sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>I know that they have in Canada and Great Britain

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<v Speaker 1>where they have you know, government paid for healthcare where

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<v Speaker 1>you have a different sector for people who can afford

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<v Speaker 1>it of private healthcare. That that that that pops up

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<v Speaker 1>in California and becomes popular with a certain sector. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on how they ultimately craft this legislation. Jack Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes they talk about making that illegal in the state,

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<v Speaker 1>and what happens, You're just going to have all the

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<v Speaker 1>high end folks leave the state. But if they make

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<v Speaker 1>it legal that you can buy up, of course that'll happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll have a bifurcation in California and we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>this the haves and the have not. You end up

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<v Speaker 1>with more inequality, inequity, whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then and then you have now, right, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see a lot of folks from the middle class

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<v Speaker 1>to leave, just out of principle to even you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're not the rich folks who are being screwed directly,

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<v Speaker 1>not just to mention the taxes it's gonna take to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for all this. Well, right, But here's a question

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<v Speaker 1>for you, Craig. And I asked this partly because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking an email from a listener whose daughter gets their

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<v Speaker 1>insurance through essentially Obamacare, and cannot find a single medical

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<v Speaker 1>professional to take her business in the medium sized California

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<v Speaker 1>city she lives. She asked to drive an hour away

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<v Speaker 1>to a much larger city to even see a doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Will these laws compel force doctors and specialists and nurses

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<v Speaker 1>to see people in spite of the paltry compensation rates? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>of course these the proposed legislation does not state that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're you're going to have to get there. You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to get there if you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>make it work. And there's under our constitution there's no

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<v Speaker 1>way you can compel a doctor to not retire, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>So it just won't work. Um, But yes, ultimately that's

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<v Speaker 1>where you have to go. They're not. They're not saying

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<v Speaker 1>that out loud, of course, and it's I'm constitutional um.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's the mess will be in and your your

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<v Speaker 1>note with that listener on Obamacare is remember Obamacare still

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<v Speaker 1>reimbursing significantly more than medicaid. And where I think all

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna end up is medicaid for all, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be that much worse because Medicaid for

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<v Speaker 1>all is within the realm of possibility on the budget.

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<v Speaker 1>On the budget by the way, right now fo dollars

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<v Speaker 1>liability per citizen in the US they like to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the thirty trillion dollar debt. Fine, but thirty

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<v Speaker 1>trillion means nothing to you and me. What means something

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<v Speaker 1>to you and me is that each of us oh

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<v Speaker 1>four dollars to bring us back to neutral on the

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<v Speaker 1>US dead clock. Isn't medicaid the one that they say

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<v Speaker 1>you're better off with no health insurance than that. There

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<v Speaker 1>have been large university studies in the state of Oregon

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<v Speaker 1>that showed that that showed heart health outcomes and cancer

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<v Speaker 1>outcomes were actually better if you didn't have that insurance

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<v Speaker 1>because you weren't compelled to wait so long for such

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<v Speaker 1>poor care. Wow. Now, now you'll hear people debate that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously that but but there are studies that show that,

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<v Speaker 1>repeated studies that show for certain times of care, you're

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<v Speaker 1>better off with no insurance than with Medicaid. Craig got

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<v Speaker 1>walls online, the healthcare Guru, um, anything else of note

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<v Speaker 1>that we should cover before we let you go? God,

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<v Speaker 1>dang it, don't you ever have a good news I

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<v Speaker 1>want to explain a piece of that, by the way, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's I think it's something Tim Tim the lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Sander first mentioned with you. When you start governmentizing everything,

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<v Speaker 1>like you say, oh, there's a program for that, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a program for that, you you lose out on charity.

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<v Speaker 1>So part of the reason that the expansion of Medicaid

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<v Speaker 1>has made outcomes worse for those with Medicaid is that

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<v Speaker 1>you see less charity care because hospital systems and doctors

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<v Speaker 1>and so forth say, look, we don't need to do

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<v Speaker 1>as much charity care because the government's paying for it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why you end up with those kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>situations unintended consequences. Well, and keep in mind that the

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<v Speaker 1>result of failure in the private sector is you get fired.

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<v Speaker 1>You lose your accounts, etcetera. Which is why a guy

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<v Speaker 1>like Craig, for instance, he has to be right. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to pitch a political point of view because

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to get you to the police. He has

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<v Speaker 1>to be right for his clients or he will lose.

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<v Speaker 1>In the public sector and government, if you fail, you

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<v Speaker 1>get a bigger budget. So you're gonna see cascading failure

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the world of medicine, if I worked

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<v Speaker 1>with one disability carrier that made you wait six and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three days to get your disability money, I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>fired in a second. That carrier to be out of business.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, that's the standard and our u

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<v Speaker 1>US social Security system. Yeah, thanks, complicated and troubling. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for crag. Good to talk to you. You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Jan's good to hear from you. This is gonna happen

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<v Speaker 1>in the state of California, then it's gonna happen nationally.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is dragging it that direction, and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>and people because most people don't understand what it means.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough people are in favor of it. It's gonna happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll have a you know, the the older generation

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<v Speaker 1>will die off, and then you won't have anybody left

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<v Speaker 1>who remembers a time when health care was good and

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<v Speaker 1>fast and affordable. You've got this story from these folks

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<v Speaker 1>living in France and beloved, arm strong and giddy. Listener,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I'll read it to you now because

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<v Speaker 1>it's too depressing. Um uh. And and you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>the risk of making you, you know, put your head

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<v Speaker 1>in the oven, and don't do it, because you can't

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<v Speaker 1>get good medical care if you do. Um. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Bill put it in his fabulous book Bitter Pill

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<v Speaker 1>about the state of American medical care. The government is

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<v Speaker 1>involved where it should be, and not involved where it

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<v Speaker 1>should be, or not involved whar it should. It's non

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<v Speaker 1>involver it should be involved, and it is involved where

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<v Speaker 1>it shouldn't be involved. And it is so screwed up.

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<v Speaker 1>And it has to do with lobbyists and people being

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<v Speaker 1>bought off and the rest of it. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>there is any fixing it since among the public, the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest will for quote unquote reform is for government healthcare,

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<v Speaker 1>which will be a nightmare just and and and I

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<v Speaker 1>can understand. I mean, I deal with a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>prescriptions with my son. I've had my health stuff in

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of years. It's easy to want to

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<v Speaker 1>throw up your hands, stake just fine, just have the

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<v Speaker 1>government take it over, just so I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>go through this again to try to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to get my prescription and the the insurance to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for it, and now commen, I have to go to

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<v Speaker 1>this farmer blah blah blah. But it ain't gonna be better. No,

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<v Speaker 1>no that right then? Oh right then, isn't that just dandy?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? You can comment on any of these things

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