Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is art imitating life or
Speaker 2: life imitating art, but there was a horror movie announced
Speaker 2: and I can't ignore the connections it has to Boy
Speaker 2: Meets World. Okay, Okay, I'm gonna share. I was trying
Speaker 2: to find a poster, but it was released so like recently,
Speaker 2: like this trailer was just like within the last hour,
Speaker 2: and I saw it and went, this isn't real, is it?
Speaker 2: And then I realized it is real? And I'm going
Speaker 2: to show you two things about it. One is the
Speaker 2: name of the film, and the second part is the
Speaker 2: star of it. Okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 1: Here we go. And then there was sean.
Speaker 3: Adam Scott.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the name of the movie is one hundred
Speaker 2: percent Hokum h O k u M. That is the
Speaker 2: name of the movie, and it is starring Adam Scott.
Speaker 2: Huh is that not insane?
Speaker 4: Hom that happened?
Speaker 3: Yeah, HOCM. We decided to do it.
Speaker 2: HOCM.
Speaker 4: We are not a part of this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is what is is hocum the name of a
Speaker 5: town or something or Okay?
Speaker 2: So my novelist very scary looking obviously you can see
Speaker 2: here like it's this is a very scary moving, and
Speaker 2: it's it's produced by Saint. People's like long legs and
Speaker 2: I mean it's supposedly like gonna be.
Speaker 4: The last thing you were on had a description. There
Speaker 4: we go Hokum.
Speaker 2: No, you want me to see it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to see the description the last.
Speaker 6: Thing I was reading at first it said something like,
Speaker 6: he's an author travels.
Speaker 4: To an Irish inn, unaware of the witch rumored.
Speaker 2: Well, let's share it. Adam Scott's ours and Damian McCarthy's
Speaker 2: new horror film Hokum, which follows a novelist who travels
Speaker 2: to an Irish end to scatter his parents' ashes, unaware
Speaker 2: of the witch rumored to haunt the place.
Speaker 4: Cool, So what do we think is the witch named
Speaker 4: Hokum or or.
Speaker 5: The like the hocom you're stopping here.
Speaker 2: There's a witch here, hocme, there's a witch here, pocus.
Speaker 1: Hocme.
Speaker 2: My body is tingling.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that is so funny.
Speaker 5: It's not weird.
Speaker 2: Am I the only one who was like it was like,
Speaker 2: that's very strange.
Speaker 1: It is strange.
Speaker 2: Hocum itself is a weird title. And then now I'm
Speaker 2: Scott and.
Speaker 3: Now he's starring Scott.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow.
Speaker 4: All right, well, hocum, we're going to go see this together.
Speaker 3: That's what It's just scary. I don't scary now, hocum, hocum.
Speaker 3: I can't sleep tonight.
Speaker 1: Is what I was talking.
Speaker 2: But you guys, we should see this and we should
Speaker 2: RecA it's hope.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not watching that, which is are real and
Speaker 6: they scare me.
Speaker 1: I do or know that.
Speaker 2: And we could shoot like ourselves in that like weird
Speaker 2: radar looking thing where you can see Danielle's scream when
Speaker 2: something crazy happens in the dark.
Speaker 4: You'll see me. You'll see like most of the movie's right.
Speaker 4: But also I have my thumbs in my ear and
Speaker 4: I go like.
Speaker 2: This, yeah, she covers her So the sound.
Speaker 4: The sound is huh, you're still seeing yeah. But then
Speaker 4: if I want to it's very quickly to just do this.
Speaker 4: But it more importantly is that I have my fingers
Speaker 4: in my ears. It's more about the sound.
Speaker 3: That was so sired night Live. And then I pull
Speaker 3: out my arms. I smell them like this.
Speaker 4: I'm like this, like thumbs are.
Speaker 2: Smell them real quickly.
Speaker 4: That's what I was for Halloween. This pasture are.
Speaker 2: You Yeah, yeah, I will say that when I see
Speaker 2: a horror movie and there's something like a nail, like
Speaker 2: I know a nail's going through someone's leg or something,
Speaker 2: I will put my hand in front of my eye,
Speaker 2: but I still see. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: Why I want to.
Speaker 4: I want to watch, but I want it to be limited.
Speaker 4: I want to see it like through a little only.
Speaker 2: A little bit, like you want to see it through
Speaker 2: a peopole.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to see it through a people. And
Speaker 4: I need to have my hands in my ears to
Speaker 4: calm the sound because the sound's the worst part. So ears,
Speaker 4: and then just peephole and then I can close the
Speaker 4: people like we just did Indiana Jones at Disneyland, and
Speaker 4: I know where the spiders come up, and so I
Speaker 4: blocked my face. Oh okay, Like I could just close
Speaker 4: my eyes, but I have to be more dramatic than that,
Speaker 4: so I had to fully cover my head with my arms,
Speaker 4: and yeah, it works.
Speaker 6: Did you see the meme that I sent you, which
Speaker 6: I thought was pretty perfect, not the one?
Speaker 4: Oh yes, it was unbelievable. Will sent me an Instagram
Speaker 4: DM with a meme that said you, and it was this.
Speaker 4: It says when someone asks what my biggest fear is,
Speaker 4: but I can't answer flying economy internationally, so I just
Speaker 4: say spiders. Well that's okay. Also you but no spiders.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, oh well interesting.
Speaker 2: Well Hocum May one, twenty twenty six. Okay, so maybe
Speaker 2: we'll birthday. Yeah, maybe we'll just create a Hocum Rewatch
Speaker 2: podcast and just talk about it every episode.
Speaker 6: That sounds great. Can we can actually do it from
Speaker 6: an Irish pub in Ireland? Because then I'm yeah, good.
Speaker 4: Luck, thank you. Welcome to this episode of Pod Meets World.
Speaker 4: I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm Roder Strong, and I'm Wilfredell.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 4: We've been dreading the season seven recaps since the moment
Speaker 4: Angel and Vicki first pitched us this podcast, but we
Speaker 4: always knew that if we ever made it to the
Speaker 4: end of the series, there would be at least one
Speaker 4: silver lining, probably wrapped in barbed wire. That bright spot,
Speaker 4: our show's second iconic wrestling cameo, the only man to
Speaker 4: survive both a fifteen foot fall through a steelcage and
Speaker 4: a note session with Michael Jacobs, and now a thirty
Speaker 4: years later, one of our most requested podcast guests. He
Speaker 4: was best known as Mankind, a masked horror movie ready
Speaker 4: loon who took the WWE by storm during its iconic
Speaker 4: Attitude era of the nineties. In addition to that deranged
Speaker 4: fan favorite, he also simultaneously performed as two other characters,
Speaker 4: Cactus Jack and Dude Love, once even appearing as all
Speaker 4: three during a single royal rumble. Oh God, But to us, yeah,
Speaker 4: isn't that crazy? Just would leave in the somebody.
Speaker 3: Else, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: We'll have to ask about that.
Speaker 4: But to us, he was just the lovable teddy bear
Speaker 4: who showed up in our season seven episode for Love
Speaker 4: and Apartments in order to referee a wrestling match where
Speaker 4: the winner claimed the least to an apartment. Why or
Speaker 4: how Mankind suddenly popped into the show is never explained,
Speaker 4: but considering it meant keeping this guy in our lives
Speaker 4: for more than thirty years, we are more than happy
Speaker 4: to just let that slide. He's a WWE Hall of
Speaker 4: Famer who wrestled around the world, most infamously in Japan,
Speaker 4: then with mythic stops in WCW and ECW, making him
Speaker 4: one of the biggest stars in wrestling history. He's a
Speaker 4: three time WWE Champion and eleven time tag team Champion.
Speaker 4: Including an all time run in the Rock and Sock Connection,
Speaker 4: and he was the inaugural WWE Hardcore Champion. He is
Speaker 4: undeniably the hardcore legend, but most importantly for the next
Speaker 4: hour or so, he is our former co star. Finally,
Speaker 4: Welcome to Pod Meets World, the Great Mick Foley. It's
Speaker 4: so good to see you. We have been kind of
Speaker 4: counting down the episode for the last three years basically
Speaker 4: to get to you.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad to be here. I understand. It's
Speaker 1: like a phenomenon this podcast. You guys that going on.
Speaker 4: You You hear about it quite a bit at conventions.
Speaker 1: Huh Yeah. I keep it being asked when I'm going
Speaker 1: to be on it. Yeah, I guess whenever they invite me.
Speaker 1: But no, the invitation has been there for a long time.
Speaker 1: And can I share what happened earlier today?
Speaker 4: You certainly can? I would love to. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I text Danielle and I'm like, hey, know, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: You know, I woke up early just so I could
Speaker 1: do this. I don't see anyone on there, and we
Speaker 1: deduced that when I was told nine am, I mistakenly
Speaker 1: thought that made East Coast time. When it is Westcot.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn this chair around a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm here, not in the format you'd like me
Speaker 1: to be, but but I'm here.
Speaker 4: You're here. And you know what when he texted me
Speaker 4: at six am and he was like, Hey, is it
Speaker 4: six Pacific or is it? And I was like, it's
Speaker 4: definitely not right now because I'm in a robe.
Speaker 1: And are you doing up at six am? Sleep?
Speaker 4: Mike, You're so sweet to think that I would still
Speaker 4: be asleep at six am when I have two small
Speaker 4: children and nine thousand jobs. Yeah, no, I had. I
Speaker 4: had already lived a couple lives by six am and
Speaker 4: was happy to write you back. And I'm thinking he
Speaker 4: was like, I'm going back to sleep. I said, please do, Danielle.
Speaker 1: You will have a Santa video. It's I recorded it
Speaker 1: a few days ago and my guy is doing the editing.
Speaker 1: You know how much Friday taking these videos. So my
Speaker 1: guy's doing the editing, and I believe you'll really enjoy it,
Speaker 1: as will of the children.
Speaker 4: Well, I am so excited to get your Christmas everything
Speaker 4: you do around Christmas. You're wearing one of your Christmas shirts.
Speaker 4: I did tell the guys that you have every Yeah,
Speaker 4: how many Santa Slash Christmas shirts do you think you have?
Speaker 1: Well, in twenty fourteen, we had this little documentary called
Speaker 1: I Am Santa Claus and it's really good. It's touching
Speaker 1: a unique way if people want to track it down
Speaker 1: streaming somewhere. And Morgan Spurlock was the executive producer and
Speaker 1: I told him, you know, there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of money and to promote a small,
Speaker 1: low budget documentary film, so I said, I will wear
Speaker 1: something Christmas eat every single day for this year and
Speaker 1: I will document it on social media. And I did,
Speaker 1: which actually caused my profile to lose followers. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: my kids are like that, Yeah, why are you losing followers?
Speaker 1: I said, I don't think people like the whole Christmas
Speaker 1: in my mark thing. So I probably had like maybe
Speaker 1: one hundred different things at that time, but I've scaled down.
Speaker 1: It was one of those things where you lose. I
Speaker 1: lost weight and I gave away all my stuff because
Speaker 1: I didn't want that signal to myself that I was
Speaker 1: going to be that heavy again. Then I did get
Speaker 1: that heavy again. I had to buy a new things
Speaker 1: and now I'm back down almost ninety nine point two
Speaker 1: pounds down from my all time high, so I'm proud
Speaker 1: of that. For you, a shirt fits me much better.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that it's hard, especially when at the Galaxy
Speaker 1: cons and they have that amazing selection of homemade candy.
Speaker 1: It could be really tough to get. Yeah, it could
Speaker 1: be really tough, but I probably have. I'd say I
Speaker 1: still have about forty forty shirts, probably forty shirts combination
Speaker 1: button down T shirts, long sleeve shirts. I'm still known
Speaker 1: to fire ups and that King Cole. Oh holy night
Speaker 1: in the month of the year.
Speaker 4: I love it. I love that you're mister Christmas. It
Speaker 4: really it brings our family a lot of joy. So
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 1: You're welcome.
Speaker 4: My first question is had you ever seen Boy Meets
Speaker 4: World before Mankind came barging into the girls apartment to
Speaker 4: inexplicably referee a match?
Speaker 1: What I was thinking of that earlier after I talked
Speaker 1: to you or texted with you, as I was laying
Speaker 1: back down, I was like, why did Mankind show up
Speaker 1: to referee the match? It just wet, It just seemed
Speaker 1: to make sense, right, we don't have a referee. And
Speaker 1: then boom, I knocked on the door. And like somebody
Speaker 1: asked for a referee. Yes, I had because my son
Speaker 1: and daughter were fans of the show. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: really I always enjoyed it. You know. It was one
Speaker 1: of those things where the ultimate, I think compliment is
Speaker 1: that when someone is multitasking on their phone, they're reading
Speaker 1: the paper, whatever it might be, while simultaneously watching the show,
Speaker 1: when they put down everything else just to enjoy the
Speaker 1: show with their children. Yeah, I really liked it. I did.
Speaker 1: And then when I met the cat you guys, and
Speaker 1: you kind of took me in. Did not make me
Speaker 1: feel like I was, you know, outside, And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, for fifteen years now, since we've all gotten
Speaker 1: back in touch, it makes people's feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Speaker 1: See that I was on the show one time, and
Speaker 1: it's it's been responsible for a really good friendship.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, you were only on the show once.
Speaker 6: It seems like you were on more than once because
Speaker 6: of your such a presence.
Speaker 1: It was just that one time. And if you remember,
Speaker 1: Will at the end of the show, I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: like throw you up into the air and the bumbent
Speaker 1: is like if anyone's seen me in wrestling, I didn't
Speaker 1: have great deltoid development, Like I could lift you up
Speaker 1: into the air, but I could not yet. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm not capable of doing that, and I can only
Speaker 1: lift your like like Headlang and the stunt guys, like
Speaker 1: I thought you're wrestlers, Like if you see my arms,
Speaker 1: I can't see you. There were things I could do
Speaker 1: and things I could not do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm also not at the time, especially I wasn't light.
Speaker 6: You know, I was probably close to two hundred pounds
Speaker 6: at that point, so lifting that anybody lifting that up
Speaker 6: is tough.
Speaker 3: God, that's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, But that was where you stood up and
Speaker 1: you called mankind of bully. I know you're back down,
Speaker 1: and I said something like something or throwing. You went
Speaker 1: throwing please. And then there's that. I won't say it's
Speaker 1: an iconic photo, but it's a popular photo of me
Speaker 1: laying down in bed as Mankind. Hello kitty, yeah a
Speaker 1: hello kitty. Yeah that was that was so great.
Speaker 4: You have a long storied history wrestling in Bingo halls Japan,
Speaker 4: ECW thumbtacks, death matches, marbed Wire was acting in a
Speaker 4: Family Network sitcom. Ever, something you saw in the car
Speaker 4: for Mankind.
Speaker 1: Fed No especially early mankind. You know, I was cactus
Speaker 1: jacked for twelve years, went to WW, and so I
Speaker 1: was I had this kind of scary mask, and I
Speaker 1: decided I was going to do my best to make
Speaker 1: this character dark and foreboding. And I guess it was
Speaker 1: working because as a certain point WW asked me not
Speaker 1: to participate in anymore Make a Wish events and I
Speaker 1: was yeah. I was like, you know, it hurts, right,
Speaker 1: And I was like why, And one of our road
Speaker 1: agents said, brother, you have to understand, it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be one of the best nights of their lives and
Speaker 1: you're making it one of the worst. So that was
Speaker 1: kind of a dark, scary character. Because I got to
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World, he mankind of lightened up so much.
Speaker 1: He was like, it was like a big Muppet. So
Speaker 1: I didn't I had not foreseen it, but I welcomed it.
Speaker 1: Thought it was a strange choice, but it seemed to work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so how did it come about? You didn't know
Speaker 4: anybody from the show.
Speaker 1: They I knew one of your producers man like, yeah.
Speaker 4: Because Mark was already gone there.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, they'll come to me. I'll have to help.
Speaker 1: I might have been checked Pishlar. It was Tishlar. Yeah, Bobler.
Speaker 1: So Bob Tishler was a friend of Barry Blaustein's who
Speaker 1: directed Beyond the Mat and uh, you know, they they
Speaker 1: knew wrestling was really popular. And despite what our critics,
Speaker 1: you know, w AB critics thought there was a crossover,
Speaker 1: there was a definite crossover. And you see that even
Speaker 1: to this day. Uh, Danielle not so much, you will
Speaker 1: when they pointed out Danielle in the audience, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm at home yelling to my TV with my kids.
Speaker 1: Will is right next to her.
Speaker 4: Will no one care?
Speaker 1: Just do ever?
Speaker 3: Just the dude sitting next to Panga. That's all it is.
Speaker 1: But there's you know, clearly acrossolver audience. And you know,
Speaker 1: as as the years go by, it only makes what
Speaker 1: you you, all of you did more iconic. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't use it talking about the photo, but all
Speaker 1: of you if it's an iconic show and you probably
Speaker 1: experienced what I did, is that for a little while,
Speaker 1: you're on top of the mountain. For a little while,
Speaker 1: people think you're washed up, and then as the years
Speaker 1: picked by, it's like no, no, no, here we go.
Speaker 4: We want them again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're relevant, right. It happens to bands, it
Speaker 1: happens to wrestlers, and happens to actors. And if you could,
Speaker 1: like I don't want to say I'm obsessed, but very
Speaker 1: much taken with the whole David Cassidy story. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And if he would have just realized, if somebody could
Speaker 1: have said, hey, twenty years from now, you're going to
Speaker 1: be back and bigger than ever, he wouldn't have needed
Speaker 1: to be depressed for twenty years, right, Like, I think
Speaker 1: maybe we need to as a support group support other
Speaker 1: wrestlers at their sitcom stars. Let you know, hey, you
Speaker 1: may have troubled picking up jobs because you're so you know,
Speaker 1: you're seen as that one, that one person, but you
Speaker 1: give it twenty years and you'll clean up on the
Speaker 1: convention circuit. So we need to be there for those
Speaker 1: other sitcom stars.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So you mentioned that you were Cactus Jack for twelve years,
Speaker 6: and we know that you've played so many different kind
Speaker 6: of characters in the wrestling world.
Speaker 3: Is there one you preferred to play over the other ones?
Speaker 1: Well? Well, when I started as Mankind, I remember having
Speaker 1: so much trouble breathing through that mask I did with
Speaker 1: Stone as of run in. I guess if you have
Speaker 1: to start off in a company, attacking the undertaker and
Speaker 1: leaving them lying is a good way to do it.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't see the upside because I was having
Speaker 1: so much trouble breathing in that mask. It was so prohibitive,
Speaker 1: and I remember calling my wife and saying, maybe I
Speaker 1: could just do this for six weeks and become Cactus Shack.
Speaker 1: And then I as time went on, I began to
Speaker 1: see how that, you know, that character was working for me,
Speaker 1: and it became a little easier, and I, you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't take as long to kind of get into
Speaker 1: that character beause Cactus Jack was essentially me with the
Speaker 1: dial turned up. That's the best portrayals of characters, whereas
Speaker 1: Mankind in the beginning was it was like a little
Speaker 1: bit of character acting because I was trying something different, darker,
Speaker 1: and it was on My face was obscured. But as
Speaker 1: that became to feel natural, I began to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: But later on, when I did have that kind of
Speaker 1: transformation from dark to light, especially when I teamed up
Speaker 1: with Dwayne Johnson, you know, we just we started making
Speaker 1: people feel happy and and that was me, just with
Speaker 1: the nerd dial turned up a little bit. I realized
Speaker 1: something very vital. I realized our audience was nowhere near
Speaker 1: as hip and cool as we were making them out
Speaker 1: to be. And I remember thinking, there's a lot more
Speaker 1: on me out there than there are them. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: going to embrace it. I'm not going to be afraid
Speaker 1: of it. I'm not going to try to be the
Speaker 1: eleventh guy to be stone cold light. I'm going to
Speaker 1: see if there's an avenue for someone who's you know,
Speaker 1: a little naive and polite, who doesn't just beat up
Speaker 1: people as soon as he has a disagreement. You know,
Speaker 1: that seems counterintuitive, but it really worked for that character.
Speaker 1: And again, you know, big kudos to Dwayne Johnson, not
Speaker 1: only is my tag team partner, but earlier on a
Speaker 1: really great opponent for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, another opponent someone that ties into the Boy Meets
Speaker 4: World universe. Vader, a wrestler, not only appeared on Boy
Speaker 4: Meets World a few times, but also had a historic
Speaker 4: feud with you as Cactus Jack INWW. He broke your nose,
Speaker 4: split your eyebrow open, And then there's the infamous power
Speaker 4: bomb onto a concrete one of the worst bumps of
Speaker 4: your career leading to a concussion and numb extremities.
Speaker 1: Ideah, for a few seconds, definitely for a fifty minutes.
Speaker 4: And so I ask you, how were you both so
Speaker 4: insanely kind and nice in real life? And what was
Speaker 4: your relationship with Leon?
Speaker 1: Like? You know what? I really When people asked me
Speaker 1: about my favorite rivalries, my favorite opponents, I'll say Rock Austin, Undertaker,
Speaker 1: Triple H. I'm probably leaving out one Terry Funk in Japan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they'll say, like, what about later, And I'll say, well,
Speaker 1: those those matches weren't fun, but they were great matches.
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, they were great, but they weren't fun
Speaker 1: because you had to really I mean Leon, he had
Speaker 1: a very, very physical style. He was the hardest hitting wrestler.
Speaker 1: I think anyone who's been in the ring with him
Speaker 1: will say, yeah, hands down, he's the hardest hitting wrestler.
Speaker 1: He took what he Yeah, he took what he did
Speaker 1: really seriously. And you but the thing with Leon is
Speaker 1: if you were willing to take what he gave and
Speaker 1: give back, he was in a position where he could
Speaker 1: make you look better than you'd ever be cause they
Speaker 1: were so they were so physical. I met a couple
Speaker 1: of fans in Birmingham, UK and they said, we were
Speaker 1: at the match you had with Vader, probably in ninety three,
Speaker 1: and he said. I turned to my friend and I said,
Speaker 1: I can't believe what they're doing to each other at
Speaker 1: a house show, which is a non televised event. And
Speaker 1: I said, that is a coincidence, because that's exactly what
Speaker 1: I was saying to myself. Well, at a house show.
Speaker 1: But Leon, you know, you knew if you went out
Speaker 1: there you were in for. It wasn't a night off.
Speaker 1: And I saw three, maybe four people during my time
Speaker 1: in WCW. They would see their name on the chalkboard
Speaker 1: against Vader and they would leave. They would leave. Now
Speaker 1: I don't know if they will retire, but they just
Speaker 1: look at their friends like shake their head. And not
Speaker 1: one time did I see their friends go, hey, come on,
Speaker 1: think about it. They went like, okay, I understand because
Speaker 1: he could be you know, he was ruthless out there,
Speaker 1: but he was deep down he was you know, he
Speaker 1: was a nice guy and a sensitive guy. And during
Speaker 1: the last two years of his death, before his death
Speaker 1: years of his life, we were in Leon. Please don't
Speaker 1: try to let the ww Hall of Fame dictate to
Speaker 1: you whether your career was successful or not. And it
Speaker 1: was like the words are going in one ear and
Speaker 1: out the other, and he would end, he would listen
Speaker 1: to what I said, and he go, I just have
Speaker 1: to get in that Hall of Fame. And I was like,
Speaker 1: Leon and it's a really special thing on one hand,
Speaker 1: by the other hand, to kind of make believe, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like a few people make that choice. You know.
Speaker 1: It's not like they put the issue out to the
Speaker 1: fans to vote on or they have a team of
Speaker 1: forty journalists like they do in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where the head injuries came into play,
Speaker 1: where he just could not he could not get that
Speaker 1: out of his mind. And he was inducted posthumously. I mean,
Speaker 1: I did go to the powers that be and I said,
Speaker 1: Leo's got two years to live. We know he's going
Speaker 1: to get in sooner or later. I'm just asking you
Speaker 1: if you could make it sooner. And why they why
Speaker 1: they waited. I don't know. I would have meant so
Speaker 1: much to him, But he was a great guy and
Speaker 1: we had really great matches, and I understand you know,
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen those episodes at the time. I've seen
Speaker 1: them rerun where he is the father of one of
Speaker 1: the one of the children. Yeah, yeah, and uh, I
Speaker 1: guess you can kind of see where, you know, Frankie's
Speaker 1: not getting along with everyone. To forget me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: But then that Leon being his father kind of explains
Speaker 1: who he is a little bit. It's been a while,
Speaker 1: you're not in your head but not really agreeing with me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't remember ourselves, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure you get people all the time, because
Speaker 1: I know the shot says he was sixty years ago
Speaker 1: or whatever. Y. Hey, can I tell you Bill Shatner story?
Speaker 4: Please please?
Speaker 1: Because you know Bill's like the Grand Pooba of the conventions, right,
Speaker 1: like we all play a role in the hierarchy, but
Speaker 1: he's way up there at the top, right. Uh. And
Speaker 1: So I had seen Shatner's documentary on a plane and
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I thought, all right, he's had
Speaker 1: an interesting life. This is going to be an A
Speaker 1: Diz documentary. And it was different. It was a lot different.
Speaker 1: And I told myself, I know Bill always Yeah, he
Speaker 1: just says hi to me. You know, I've never had
Speaker 1: a real conversation with him, and I'm risking the risking
Speaker 1: possibility of the very real possibility being stubbed by Shatner.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to at least take the time to
Speaker 1: let him know how much I enjoyed that documentary. So
Speaker 1: I go up to him and he's in a scooter,
Speaker 1: you know, because he's what, he's ninety years old.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he's on a scooter and I say, excuse me,
Speaker 1: mister Shatner, and I tell him exactly what I said
Speaker 1: to you, and he looks at me and he says,
Speaker 1: I love Dark Side of the Ring. I said, I said,
Speaker 1: you know there was an episode about me. He says,
Speaker 1: I know. That's why I'm telling you, and he looks
Speaker 1: at me. He goes, the dedication and your willingness to
Speaker 1: sacrifice for your business is so admirable, and I said, wow,
Speaker 1: thank you. I sure wish we had that on video.
Speaker 1: He goes, would you like it on video? Here? I
Speaker 1: was thinking he's the guy who snubs me, and uh,
Speaker 1: I guess he's the exact opposite. Made me feel pretty good.
Speaker 4: That's a cool story. I love hearing those stories you.
Speaker 4: So back to your Boy Meets World episode, what do
Speaker 4: you remember most from that week of taping.
Speaker 1: When I got to you know, rehearse that everyone was
Speaker 1: really nice and open towards me, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you'll read like a memoir about somebody who was a
Speaker 1: guest star or something and they'll say, you know, no
Speaker 1: one really had time for me. And there was one
Speaker 1: I read one of the uh, one of the Walton
Speaker 1: girls from the show, the seventy show, The Waltons talk
Speaker 1: about it. A guest star and I don't want to
Speaker 1: say the guest star was and she ran up to
Speaker 1: him on his current show and said, oh hi, and
Speaker 1: he he didn't really remember or didn't think much of it.
Speaker 1: And I contrast that with me being your guest star.
Speaker 1: And literally every time we see each other, you know,
Speaker 1: we sit down, we talk. I think I think we're
Speaker 1: all we're will you and my writer including you. We're
Speaker 1: on bro hugg terms, right, absolutely. Yeah. Danielle thinks in
Speaker 1: a little firmer, but I always let her initiate the contact,
Speaker 1: and I think it's cute. I think it was about
Speaker 1: a year ago where we had agreed to wear each
Speaker 1: other's shirt and so there's a great photo of me
Speaker 1: and you, and you're wearing the Halloween Havoc shirt with
Speaker 1: me and Vyner on it. I'm wearing the shirt. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't think you get royalties on the one that
Speaker 1: you get off at.
Speaker 4: Sea that as the royalties off anything.
Speaker 1: No, no, I know that it's one.
Speaker 4: It's one way wrestling treats their their people better than
Speaker 4: than network. But yes, that was so fun. We Mick
Speaker 4: and I talked about it via text before we went
Speaker 4: to the can. He said, listen, I'm going to wear
Speaker 4: a Tipega shirt. Do you want? And I was like,
Speaker 4: I'll wear my mankind, I've wear my Halloween Havoc shirt.
Speaker 4: Let's do it. And then we picked the day took
Speaker 4: the photo. So much fun. Always always enjoy seeing you
Speaker 4: and I.
Speaker 1: Want to reiterate this is based on me being on
Speaker 1: the show what y years ago and we're wearing each
Speaker 1: other's shirts. Yeah, it's been really it's been a lot
Speaker 1: of fun.
Speaker 4: How much were you involved, if I mean in the
Speaker 4: answer I think is entirely how much were you involved
Speaker 4: in choreographing the wrestling that we did in the episode.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. I think it had been pretty
Speaker 1: laid out. I think I had a few ideas, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I was an essential part of that,
Speaker 1: because you know, if you guys did something was per
Speaker 1: you know, it was perfect. Now, why you're wrestling for
Speaker 1: an apartment that remains, that's a valid question.
Speaker 4: That's a miss.
Speaker 3: We don't know either.
Speaker 1: How a referee magically shut up your door another valid question.
Speaker 1: Another mystery, best less of the ages. But I think
Speaker 1: you guys had been working on your scene and you
Speaker 1: may have asked me if you It seems to me
Speaker 1: like I was there for tips, but I wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to force my vision of a wrestling match on you.
Speaker 4: Okay, was mister Soco originally in the script or did
Speaker 4: you pitch that?
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I would assume that Bob Tishler was
Speaker 1: in the mid that he would have known and wanted
Speaker 1: mister Soco in the mix.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, because of your day job, do you think having
Speaker 4: a live studio audience was intimidating for you as an
Speaker 4: actor or did it actually make you feel more at home?
Speaker 1: No? I liked it. I liked it, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember if if your show, Yeah, your show was been
Speaker 1: the first one I did, and I saw mister Feenie.
Speaker 1: I told him what a big fan of Saint Elsewhere
Speaker 1: I was. He William Craig. Wait, no, he was Doctor
Speaker 1: Craig and Saint Elsewhere. His real acting name.
Speaker 4: Is William Daniels.
Speaker 1: William Daniels. Yeah, And so I told him what a
Speaker 1: big Saint Elsewhere fan I was. And then I told
Speaker 1: him my favorite line, because he was he was undergoing
Speaker 1: psychotherapy as doctor Mark Craig. And the doctor said, now
Speaker 1: this dream where you said you saw the silver spaceship
Speaker 1: sewing in the yellow haze of the sun. And he
Speaker 1: said I was kneeling and I was young, which is
Speaker 1: such a great line, you know. And there was another
Speaker 1: one about him being bit by a spaniel and how
Speaker 1: the next time he saw that dog when he riding
Speaker 1: his bike, he had a stick and he and he
Speaker 1: hit the spaniel and then he just looked at the doctor.
Speaker 1: He said, I shouldn't have hit Joe's cocker. So they
Speaker 1: had some fun lines you know that you either got
Speaker 1: or you didn't get.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He used to tell us one specifically about how he
Speaker 6: was playing the piano and uh, there's flower, there's a
Speaker 6: flower base on the piano. And the line is something
Speaker 6: like I've always enjoyed two lips on the organ. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And so he would tell us they would throw in
Speaker 6: these lines everywhere, and he's like they would take it
Speaker 6: as far as they possibly could without needing some kind
Speaker 6: of a sensor to come in and say something yeah
Speaker 6: crazy yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's that show broke ground because they had a
Speaker 1: patient with particular cancer and I believe that word had
Speaker 1: never been on network TV before, so it was a
Speaker 1: landmark show. But anyway, going back to the live audience,
Speaker 1: I would I found some reassurance and finding out like
Speaker 1: you could mess up a line, and then the crowd
Speaker 1: was they're there for you, right, these are they really
Speaker 1: want to lift up the every one of them I
Speaker 1: think takes. I know because I was in the audience
Speaker 1: for an episode of Jessevius. My younger kids really liked
Speaker 1: Jesse and you see that, you see like, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: part of this. We can make this show better with
Speaker 1: our support. And so when I saw I don't know
Speaker 1: who who missed the line, but you know played it
Speaker 1: off with the laugh and the crowd like enjoyed being
Speaker 1: in on that. It's almost like that peek behind the
Speaker 1: curtain that you know w W used to offer. Now I
Speaker 1: think it curtains a little too wide open. Yeah, pretty
Speaker 1: wide open, you know, And I don't know how I
Speaker 1: feel about that. I like the idea of reading between
Speaker 1: the lines and being shown glimpses, but that was that
Speaker 1: was fun for me, And once I realized that that
Speaker 1: everyone was there, you know, too, to lift up the show,
Speaker 1: and that it was okay to make mistakes. I think
Speaker 1: it's really important in anything you do to not be
Speaker 1: afraid of mistakes. You know, like you're part of the process,
Speaker 1: and anytime you're playing, not to make mistakes, you can't
Speaker 1: really play to win. So I think it's great if
Speaker 1: you make a mistake and it becomes it's almost like
Speaker 1: when actors break on SNL and the crowd loves the course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as long as you don't do it too often, right,
Speaker 1: you know. I think it was done too often, it
Speaker 1: loses its uniqueness. But I felt very welcomed and supported
Speaker 1: on the set.
Speaker 4: When it aired in nineteen ninety nine. Did you get
Speaker 4: any response from it from either other wrestlers or the public.
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like the WWE was so red hot,
Speaker 4: you would have been helping us more than we were
Speaker 4: helping you. But did you get response from it back then?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did, and that was nice, but not surprising
Speaker 1: because your show was so popular and WW was at
Speaker 1: that time. It was super popular and it is as
Speaker 1: well in a different type of way, but globally more
Speaker 1: popular than ever. But what did surprise me was that
Speaker 1: every time that Love and Apartments episode came over in
Speaker 1: reruns that I would get the feedback. So it did
Speaker 1: not surprise me that I got initial feedback. It does
Speaker 1: surprise me. Stop surprising me ten fifteen years ago, the
Speaker 1: fact that people will come up to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've signed a few of those photos with Hello Kitty,
Speaker 1: and it's really you know, it's that role and the
Speaker 1: three lines I delivered on Avatar Last Airbender are the
Speaker 1: things that people remember me for outside of wrestling. And
Speaker 1: every once in a while, I'll see you like a
Speaker 1: certain type of expression on the face. I don't mean
Speaker 1: to generalize, but it's usually women of thirty five to
Speaker 1: fifty and it's an expression and I'll go say yes
Speaker 1: to the dress. Yes, I knew that I knew you
Speaker 1: from somewhere ten years earlier. It was the same expression.
Speaker 1: I go celebrity wife spot. Yes I knew. I knew
Speaker 1: You're from somewhere.
Speaker 4: That is so funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I got called, like by a friend of
Speaker 1: mine who was going to be on say yes to
Speaker 1: the dress, And she says, will you come into New
Speaker 1: York and help me make the selection? I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'm exactly the guy you want making your most
Speaker 1: important decision. Yeah. Yeah, why wouldn't you want me on there?
Speaker 1: And I had I had a really good time. Like
Speaker 1: as soon as I saw Randy, although I'd never seen
Speaker 1: the show, I was like, okay, yeah, I can play
Speaker 1: off Randy. And you know, they were appalled by my
Speaker 1: fanny pack and course, and when I when my friend
Speaker 1: Heather finally found the dress of her dreams and everyone's
Speaker 1: like it's perfect, I was like, it needs just one thing,
Speaker 1: and I took the fanny pack off, and Randy all
Speaker 1: but tackled me, don't be there, don't be there. So
Speaker 1: I did have a good time, but uh, nothing in
Speaker 1: terms of recognition compares to your show at Avatar.
Speaker 4: Well, soon after Boy Meets World, The Rock would host SNL,
Speaker 4: which was a big step for wrestling in pop culture,
Speaker 4: and you made a cameo on that week show. I
Speaker 4: know you are a big comedy fan, so this must
Speaker 4: have been a big deal for you. Was it just
Speaker 4: an incredible week?
Speaker 1: Wasn't it incredible? Well? I was there. I wasn't there
Speaker 1: all week like rock was. I was there. The final
Speaker 1: day rehearsal, we get a guy, a writer named Tommy
Speaker 1: Blocha who is best known for metal How do you
Speaker 1: pronounce metalcalypsecalypse? So Tommy Blacha was the brains behind go
Speaker 1: ahead and say it, well I have a metal metal acalypse.
Speaker 1: And he had written me and Triple H and Big
Speaker 1: Show into a few scenes. Yeah uh And and then
Speaker 1: we did a cold open. How I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of the little fellow a big show had behind his
Speaker 1: back And Vince was like, what do you have to
Speaker 1: be on your back show? And he's like nothing, come on, Joe,
Speaker 1: give it show to me. He turns around. He had
Speaker 1: the little guy who did the man. I can't believe
Speaker 1: it what I'm saying, but he was a show had
Speaker 1: him tucked behind his back like in a hammerlocked position
Speaker 1: where you don't actually have much strength, right, but he
Speaker 1: was able to hold one hundred and fifty pound human
Speaker 1: being for like a minute behind his back with one
Speaker 1: of arm. It was like he had him in the front,
Speaker 1: you know this way he had him in the back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, you know his lats and did it.
Speaker 1: But I know right the power it must take and
Speaker 1: show I was the least interesting WW guy on that
Speaker 1: show because Rock was in another stratosphere like that really launched.
Speaker 1: I think that opened people's minds up to his potential
Speaker 1: and it was fun but like it was it was
Speaker 1: when I say, but I mean, the key takeaway for
Speaker 1: me was that I could see the Rock's future expanding
Speaker 1: as the show is going on. Like when he was
Speaker 1: doing they asked him if he, you know, be willing
Speaker 1: to poke fun in himself. He said, I'll do anything,
Speaker 1: but he didn't want to do a wrestling skit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so when he did Superman in Smallville, yeah, he just
Speaker 1: he just crushed it and then he crushed it. He
Speaker 1: he really, you know, he nailed every one of his skits.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked me when I dropped the People Out People's
Speaker 1: elbow on one of the cast members, like he said,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised Rock let you do that. When he saw
Speaker 1: it in rehearsal, I said, I didn't do that rehearsal.
Speaker 4: Oh exactly. He wouldn't have let me do it.
Speaker 1: Let me do it. But we all had a great time,
Speaker 1: and I think but it was funny because at that point,
Speaker 1: I've been on the road, you know, almost NonStop with
Speaker 1: WW for four years, especially on Saturday nights, and so
Speaker 1: I hadn't actually seen the show in a long time,
Speaker 1: even though I grew up loving it, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: my parents let me stay up late to watch the original.
Speaker 1: You know, I just I thought John Belus she was
Speaker 1: the man, and it's Chevy Chase and dan Aykroyd and
Speaker 1: Gilda Radner, like this was just you know, an amazing
Speaker 1: cast they had. But I kind of fall touch. So
Speaker 1: at that time when Will Ferrell came up, I really
Speaker 1: didn't even know who he is. You know, isn't that
Speaker 1: crazy seeing as how you know, yes, not just huge,
Speaker 1: but ubiquitous he is. Everyone was really nice, Jimmy Fallon,
Speaker 1: Cherry O, Terry, Cherry O, Terry. The cast could not
Speaker 1: have been nicer. But I wasn't that aware of who
Speaker 1: they were because they hadn't hit reruns yet. They hadn't
Speaker 1: you know, they weren't on syndication but that was a
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, Tina Fay was great to me, and
Speaker 1: she remembered me from I guess you know, she okay
Speaker 1: me being a guest star on thirty Rock, which was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, incredible, And I went up to
Speaker 1: her at the end of the at the end of
Speaker 1: my time there, and I said, first of all, can
Speaker 1: be can I be on every episode? And I said,
Speaker 1: I want you to know that everyone has been so
Speaker 1: nice to me, and I know that comes down from
Speaker 1: the top. And she she thanked, she thanked me for that.
Speaker 1: She was great. So every everyone I met was really
Speaker 1: nice to me. I wish I'd been more aware, but
Speaker 1: unless they've been on the show for more than four years,
Speaker 1: I probably had not seen them.
Speaker 4: You were also a multiple time New York Times bestselling author,
Speaker 4: and you have been telling stories your entire career. Did
Speaker 4: you ever think about writing scripts for TV or movies?
Speaker 1: Ooh, oh, I think it's a different I think it's
Speaker 1: an entirely different skill set. I do even when I
Speaker 1: even when I wrote a couple of graphic novels, I
Speaker 1: had to write them out as if they were short stories.
Speaker 1: So I I did write a script for Have a
Speaker 1: Nice day. I wrote it all in I'm Loose Leaf,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I you know, it was okay.
Speaker 1: I don't know it was okay, but it is. It's
Speaker 1: a different it's a different skill set. No, I never
Speaker 1: really considered that. Honestly.
Speaker 4: It's never too late, you know.
Speaker 1: You never know. I have ideas, I have to write
Speaker 1: them out, like their stories. I have to oh, that's okay,
Speaker 1: adjectives and things like that, and then have someone else
Speaker 1: like turn it around. Like I was always good in
Speaker 1: pitch meetings because when I retire, yeah, in two thousand,
Speaker 1: there was like a run of four straight years where
Speaker 1: credible Bob Tischler was one of them. We pitched a product,
Speaker 1: Bob titshlar uh, a Bob Pitschler product to the you know,
Speaker 1: the four Networks, and Bob was not a pitch guy,
Speaker 1: and I remember I was like, oh, we're drowning in here,
Speaker 1: and I kind of took over the pitch and we got.
Speaker 1: We got, we went to script and then it never
Speaker 1: got past that and I had something resulting, you know
Speaker 1: as sizzle reel. It didn't work out, but there was
Speaker 1: four years in a row where I would go and
Speaker 1: I was pretty good at pitching other people's ideas, but
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything. It looks have you heard the
Speaker 1: rumors now about this docu series? Paul walter Hauser signed
Speaker 1: on to star and produce, and he said, dude, like,
Speaker 1: I'm just worried, I'm a little I'm too short to
Speaker 1: play you. I said, Paul, you're the height that people
Speaker 1: think I am, so you're going to be fine because
Speaker 1: I was six' four WHEN i went INTO, wwe and
Speaker 1: people THOUGHT i was five ten BECAUSE i hunched. OVER
Speaker 1: i wrestled guys who you, know Like undertaker And kane
Speaker 1: were much bigger than. ME i, said you're the hype
Speaker 1: people THINK i, am and he's such a great actor
Speaker 1: that it's opening doors for. Us SO i might be
Speaker 1: in a pitching meetings. AGAIN i love.
Speaker 6: That i'm curious because you, KNOW i always love people
Speaker 6: in the know and people who know you know everything
Speaker 6: about their business inside and, out who they. Admire so
Speaker 6: taking yourself out of the, equation who do you think
Speaker 6: is the best wrestler of all?
Speaker 1: TIME i Think Terry funk was the best wrestler of all.
Speaker 1: TIME a lot of people haven't seen. Him he gave
Speaker 1: the greatest wrestling Interview i've ever, heard and it consisted
Speaker 1: of one, word. Forever he was interviewed when he retired
Speaker 1: for good from wrestling the first time in nineteen eighty,
Speaker 1: one and then he was wrestling until the mid probably
Speaker 1: around two thousand and, seven two thousand and, eight so
Speaker 1: it was a short lived. Retirement But terry, realized like
Speaker 1: in a stoic culture Like, japan there was an avenue
Speaker 1: open for someone willing to show. Emotions and you, know
Speaker 1: no one ever wept openly or wept at all In japanese.
Speaker 1: Wrestling and here's this, guy tough as they, come but
Speaker 1: he was. Sensitive he would cry and the blood was
Speaker 1: commingled with the sweat and the. Tears and he gave this.
Speaker 1: Interview they tried to, interview and he just said, forever, forever.
Speaker 1: Forever and a couple of years, later in nineteen ninety,
Speaker 1: Nine i'm giving a backlot tour Of Universal, Studios, hollywood
Speaker 1: and as my golf cart's going, BY i hear someone
Speaker 1: going forever, forever AND i turned. Around it Was Eddie
Speaker 1: murphy Doing Terry funk. Promo But terry had the ability
Speaker 1: to suspend disbelief not just among the audience but among his,
Speaker 1: Opponents and so there was this one scene WHERE i
Speaker 1: was the guest enforcer ringside For Jerry lawler And funk
Speaker 1: was coming out as the enforcer or manager for a
Speaker 1: guy named Man. Scout you, know a grown up Boy.
Speaker 1: Scout you, know which is a great Independ scouts. Hilarious, Yeah,
Speaker 1: danielle you've been known to appear as an. Independent, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it's a it's a good. Character AND i See
Speaker 1: terry AND i can feel that it's it's a big.
Speaker 1: Crowd it's about fifteen, hundred which is really good size
Speaker 1: for an independent, show AND i CAN i can feel
Speaker 1: that a lot of the fans don't know Who terry
Speaker 1: is because he was before their. Time but by the
Speaker 1: time he, left he's all that people were thinking. About,
Speaker 1: yeah he comes into that, ring And i'm saying to
Speaker 1: the referee AS i See terry's eyes on his way
Speaker 1: down to the, RING i, said you'd better. Run he
Speaker 1: goes WHAT i, said you'd better. Run and As terry
Speaker 1: gets in the, RING i start, urgency you better, run
Speaker 1: you'd better, Run AND i bailed out and he staid
Speaker 1: in the ring And terry punched him square in the
Speaker 1: forehead with his left hand which is a devastating left.
Speaker 1: Hand and after the, show after after the, MATCH i
Speaker 1: come back and the ringing hounder has got a big
Speaker 1: goose egg on his. Head he's got an ice pack
Speaker 1: and he, SAID i can't believe he hit. Me AND
Speaker 1: i looked at him AND i, said what part of the?
Speaker 1: Words you'd better run ringing Out Terry. Funk you never
Speaker 1: know what he might. Do so he you, know he
Speaker 1: did have respect for his. Opponents it's not that he
Speaker 1: uh you, know took, liberties but when you got in
Speaker 1: there with, him there was a very real sense among
Speaker 1: the crowd where they, go, OH i think this one's.
Speaker 1: Real but everything he, did, Yeah and he went from being,
Speaker 1: uh you, know a like a more traditional babyface champion
Speaker 1: h to be hit forty two and he came back
Speaker 1: on W cw is middle aged and, crazy and then
Speaker 1: even as he got, older it became old age and.
Speaker 1: CRAZY i pitched an idea to the creative team in
Speaker 1: two thousand and six that would pay off in the
Speaker 1: mat be me And edge Against Tommy dreamer And Terry.
Speaker 1: Funk AND i, said this whole angle hinges upon us
Speaker 1: being able to convince fans That Terry funk is crazy
Speaker 1: in about two weeks And dusty Rose pipe he, goes
Speaker 1: that ought to be easy Because Terry funk is. Crazy you, know.
Speaker 4: That's a Good Dusty rhodes. Impression that's not, bad, Right,
Speaker 4: yeah that's pretty. Good you mentioned, retiring and we are
Speaker 4: speaking to you shortly After John cena's big. Retirement. Yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah can You i'm excited for you to be able
Speaker 4: to have THIS x to give this. Explanation can you
Speaker 4: explain to people who were upset that he lost the
Speaker 4: match why it was necessary for him to lose the?
Speaker 4: Match and do you Think gunther was the best guy
Speaker 4: to do?
Speaker 1: It? Oh, Yes john felt it was. Necessary it WAS i,
Speaker 1: mean it was the right thing to do for the
Speaker 1: sake of. Business it's because Now gunther will essentially have
Speaker 1: that proverbial rocket strap to his. Back do you think
Speaker 1: he was THE i think he was the right guy
Speaker 1: because he. Is you, know he's got such a believable.
Speaker 1: Style he's very. Convincing but you might say he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the pomp and circumstance that that some of the guys.
Speaker 1: Do i'm down to ten, percent so you might want
Speaker 1: to sign me out in a few. Minutes and if
Speaker 1: he needed that little. Something this would be that little. Something,
Speaker 1: now when Brock lesnar defeated The undertaker At, WrestleMania ending that,
Speaker 1: streak he Had Paul hayman on his, side And Paul
Speaker 1: hayman made sure that every, week every week for at
Speaker 1: least a, year he was the man who would defeat The.
Speaker 1: Undertaking repetition is the, key you, know when it comes
Speaker 1: to promoting, something and nobody's better out Than. Paul SO
Speaker 1: i don't know if if they're going to align someone with,
Speaker 1: him BUT i think he is a great guy to
Speaker 1: do that. For i'm only going to argue the other
Speaker 1: point is that because it Was Saturday night's main, event
Speaker 1: because we were drawing in hopefully a few million new,
Speaker 1: fans uh OR i would say at least a million new,
Speaker 1: fans you had the opportunity to show them just how
Speaker 1: JOYFUL ww can, be and we didn't give them that.
Speaker 1: Moment AND i wonder if in the bigger, picture you
Speaker 1: don't know because there's no, textbook BUT i can see both.
Speaker 1: Points when when he, LOST i mean the camera hit
Speaker 1: those reactions and people were genuinely.
Speaker 4: Hurt there were chairs in my, house really, house you
Speaker 4: are the children both, both and wrestling is kind of
Speaker 4: famous for the retire but then come. Back do you
Speaker 4: Think John cena is really?
Speaker 1: Gone? Wait are you pointing fingers at, Me, Danielle, NO i.
Speaker 1: RETIRED i came back in six.
Speaker 4: Weeks uh did you enjoy your?
Speaker 1: Vacation, well you, KNOW i got the phone CALL i
Speaker 1: had retired from in my, MIND i was never going
Speaker 1: to wrestle. Again and THEN i got a phone call
Speaker 1: From Jim ross, Saying, Hey we've got some plans for
Speaker 1: Your WrestleMania so do you want me to host like
Speaker 1: a panel or. Something you should? Know we would like
Speaker 1: you to be in the main. Event AND i, said
Speaker 1: BUT i just.
Speaker 3: Retired that's the opposite of, retiring.
Speaker 1: Is the option. Retired BUT i will say, THIS i
Speaker 1: am the only person in ww history to try to
Speaker 1: talk their way out of being in A WrestleMania main event.
Speaker 4: EXACTLY i don't.
Speaker 1: KNOW i, failed BUT i, tried SO i. Did but
Speaker 1: then it was another four years BEFORE i came. BACK
Speaker 1: i think every person has allowed one big comeback match
Speaker 1: that does not violate the trust of the, fans but after,
Speaker 1: that it's at least partially a grab for, money And
Speaker 1: john's taking plenty of. That SO i will say that
Speaker 1: for anyone who's down About John cena's last, match just
Speaker 1: go to YouTube and look for the song medley From
Speaker 1: Ricky stinicky and you'll feel good all over. Again that's movie. Magic.
Speaker 1: There have you seen? It? No, oh you need to see?
Speaker 1: It and then? Ryder how about? You, NO i don't even.
Speaker 1: Know you need to Watch Ricky snicky When John. CENA i.
Speaker 1: CAN'T i don't know how MUCH i can give away
Speaker 1: from a you, know not just a content but A pg.
Speaker 1: Standpoint what the medley is. About it is. Brilliant it
Speaker 1: was one of those few times That i've laughed so
Speaker 1: hard my back, hurt and it IS i think he
Speaker 1: learned his fearlessness from. Wrestling you, know here's the guy
Speaker 1: who showed up essentially naked at The Academy, awards, RIGHT i,
Speaker 1: MEAN i believe he had like the modesty pouch but
Speaker 1: nothing else so he could get a. Laugh and you,
Speaker 1: know he poked fun of himself in the Train, wreck you,
Speaker 1: know the. Humor and he's been increasingly better and better
Speaker 1: at everything he. Does BUT i feel like the musical
Speaker 1: montage where by turns he Is devo from the, eighties
Speaker 1: he Is Alice. Cooper he, Is, yeah he put and
Speaker 1: every one of his songs is about a certain act
Speaker 1: that some guys do when they're. Alone so it's. Brilliant
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 6: Brilliant and If i'm looking at it right, now they're
Speaker 6: looking at what it actually.
Speaker 3: Is so it's a. Movie Ricky sicky is a.
Speaker 1: Movie Ricky snicky is the imaginary friend that this core
Speaker 1: group of friends created from. Childhood they can they could
Speaker 1: blame anything. On and then they have to actually produce
Speaker 1: him at a, party and they hire this actor with
Speaker 1: some serious question. Marks and that actor Is John, cena
Speaker 1: best known as under the pseudonym Rock Hard. Rick he's
Speaker 1: best known for performing off off The boardwalk At Atlantic.
Speaker 1: City and it's just. Brilliant but he puts everything he
Speaker 1: has into. It and it's Oh. Billy one of them
Speaker 1: Is Billy, Idyl so It's Billy idle and, uh there's
Speaker 1: another one or, two But, Devo Alice Cooper Billy idle.
Speaker 1: Man he hats off to, him and he's a good.
Speaker 1: Guy his. Dad i'm actually better friends with his dad
Speaker 1: THAN i am With, john just because his dad comes
Speaker 1: out to my events Anytime i'm In, boston you, know
Speaker 1: He one of the Great christmas gift openings in our
Speaker 1: house was my Son mickey is very talented. Guitarist he
Speaker 1: thought he was getting a new amplifier and there was
Speaker 1: this one package that he just knew was his. Amplifier
Speaker 1: we were recording. It he tears into. It it was
Speaker 1: a case Of johnny fabulous Is fabo? Pop Because John cena's,
Speaker 1: dad at eighty years, old is one of the best
Speaker 1: independent managers in, Wrestling and the letdown Of seeing twenty
Speaker 1: four he was. Devastated and THEN i had the amp behind.
Speaker 4: Them oh my, god that's. Amazing, yeah that's a good
Speaker 4: gift exchange right. There, well we are so honored that
Speaker 4: you are a part Of Boy Meets world's, legacy and
Speaker 4: we still hear about you And vader all the time
Speaker 4: everywhere we, go especially the, conventions and so the fact
Speaker 4: that because of you And, leon we are also always
Speaker 4: connected TO wwe is very special to. Us so thank
Speaker 4: you for gracing us with your presence long. Time we're
Speaker 4: happy to have you.
Speaker 1: CLOSING i just want to say it's great to see
Speaker 1: you looking so. HEALTHY i know you've been through a
Speaker 1: lot and, uh if you noticed the folly text messages
Speaker 1: were more frequent when, uh you, know when you were
Speaker 1: going through.
Speaker 4: That, yeah you were really you were really good about
Speaker 4: checking in with, me making SURE i was. Okay and
Speaker 4: you also you've survived a terrible car.
Speaker 1: Crash yeah, YEAH.
Speaker 4: I mean we both really went through it around the same,
Speaker 4: time so we were checking in with each. Other so
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Speaker 1: That's, right, writer thank, you, will thank, You, danielle thank.
Speaker 1: YOU i had a great.
Speaker 4: Time oh my, gosh what a. Life.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah i'd love to pitch something with him BECAUSE
Speaker 6: i just want to see him in the room.
Speaker 4: Exactly you, know he'd be.
Speaker 5: Great when he said, that he's, LIKE i Think i'm
Speaker 5: pretty good Pitch like we, know oh, yeah how about.
Speaker 3: You we know you're good in pitch.
Speaker 4: Meetings so. Fun that's been a that's been in a long.
Speaker 4: Time that's a long time coming that, Interview jensen says
Speaker 4: he's been in a pitch meeting With. Mick what was
Speaker 4: the pitch meeting.
Speaker 2: W W e WHEN i was working, there he came.
Speaker 2: In it's just ideas and he's, great tremendous of, Course i'm.
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