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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is art imitating life or

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Speaker 2: life imitating art, but there was a horror movie announced

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Speaker 2: Meets World. Okay, Okay, I'm gonna share. I was trying

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Speaker 2: to find a poster, but it was released so like recently,

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Speaker 2: And then I realized it is real? And I'm going

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Speaker 2: to show you two things about it. One is the

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Speaker 2: name of the film, and the second part is the

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Speaker 2: star of it. Okay, okay, all right.

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Speaker 1: Here we go. And then there was sean.

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Speaker 3: Adam Scott.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the name of the movie is one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent Hokum h O k u M. That is the

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Speaker 2: name of the movie, and it is starring Adam Scott.

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Speaker 2: Huh is that not insane?

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Speaker 4: Hom that happened?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, HOCM. We decided to do it.

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Speaker 2: HOCM.

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Speaker 4: We are not a part of this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, is what is is hocum the name of a

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Speaker 2: So my novelist very scary looking obviously you can see

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Speaker 2: it's it's produced by Saint. People's like long legs and

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Speaker 2: I mean it's supposedly like gonna be.

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Speaker 4: The last thing you were on had a description. There

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Speaker 4: we go Hokum.

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Speaker 2: No, you want me to see it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to see the description the last.

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Speaker 6: Thing I was reading at first it said something like,

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Speaker 4: To an Irish inn, unaware of the witch rumored.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's share it. Adam Scott's ours and Damian McCarthy's

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Speaker 2: new horror film Hokum, which follows a novelist who travels

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Speaker 2: of the witch rumored to haunt the place.

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Speaker 4: Cool, So what do we think is the witch named

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Speaker 4: Hokum or or.

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Speaker 5: The like the hocom you're stopping here.

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Speaker 2: There's a witch here, hocme, there's a witch here, pocus.

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Speaker 1: Hocme.

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Speaker 2: My body is tingling.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, that is so funny.

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Speaker 5: It's not weird.

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Speaker 2: Am I the only one who was like it was like,

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Speaker 2: that's very strange.

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Speaker 1: It is strange.

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Speaker 2: Hocum itself is a weird title. And then now I'm

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Speaker 2: Scott and.

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Speaker 3: Now he's starring Scott.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow.

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Speaker 4: All right, well, hocum, we're going to go see this together.

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Speaker 3: That's what It's just scary. I don't scary now, hocum, hocum.

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Speaker 3: I can't sleep tonight.

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Speaker 1: Is what I was talking.

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Speaker 2: But you guys, we should see this and we should

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not watching that, which is are real and

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Speaker 1: I do or know that.

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Speaker 2: And we could shoot like ourselves in that like weird

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Speaker 4: You'll see me. You'll see like most of the movie's right.

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Speaker 4: But also I have my thumbs in my ear and

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Speaker 4: The sound is huh, you're still seeing yeah. But then

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Speaker 4: But it more importantly is that I have my fingers

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Speaker 3: That was so sired night Live. And then I pull

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Speaker 4: That's what I was for Halloween. This pasture are.

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Speaker 3: Why I want to.

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Speaker 4: I want to watch, but I want it to be limited.

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Speaker 6: Did you see the meme that I sent you, which

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, it was unbelievable. Will sent me an Instagram

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Speaker 4: It says when someone asks what my biggest fear is,

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Speaker 6: That sounds great. Can we can actually do it from

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Speaker 4: Luck, thank you. Welcome to this episode of Pod Meets World.

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Speaker 4: I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm Roder Strong, and I'm Wilfredell.

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Speaker 4: We've been dreading the season seven recaps since the moment

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Pod Meets World, the Great Mick Foley. It's

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Speaker 4: so good to see you. We have been kind of

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Speaker 4: to get to you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad to be here. I understand. It's

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Speaker 1: like a phenomenon this podcast. You guys that going on.

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Speaker 4: You You hear about it quite a bit at conventions.

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Speaker 1: Huh Yeah. I keep it being asked when I'm going

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Speaker 1: But no, the invitation has been there for a long time.

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Speaker 1: And can I share what happened earlier today?

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Speaker 4: You certainly can? I would love to. Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I text Danielle and I'm like, hey, know, I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: You will have a Santa video. It's I recorded it

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Speaker 4: Well, I am so excited to get your Christmas everything

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Speaker 1: Well, in twenty fourteen, we had this little documentary called

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Speaker 1: I said, I don't think people like the whole Christmas

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that it's hard, especially when at the Galaxy

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Speaker 4: My first question is had you ever seen Boy Meets

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, But that was where you stood up and

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Speaker 4: You have a long storied history wrestling in Bingo halls Japan,

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Speaker 1: Fed No especially early mankind. You know, I was cactus

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so how did it come about? You didn't know

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Speaker 1: They I knew one of your producers man like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I might have been checked Pishlar. It was Tishlar. Yeah, Bobler.

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Speaker 4: Will no one care?

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Speaker 4: We want them again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're relevant, right. It happens to bands, it

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Speaker 1: much taken with the whole David Cassidy story. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 6: So you mentioned that you were Cactus Jack for twelve years,

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Speaker 3: Is there one you preferred to play over the other ones?

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Speaker 1: Leon and it's a really special thing on one hand,

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00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: by the other hand, to kind of make believe, you know,

437
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: it's like a few people make that choice. You know.

438
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: It's not like they put the issue out to the

439
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: fans to vote on or they have a team of

440
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: forty journalists like they do in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

441
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: And I think that's where the head injuries came into play,

442
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: where he just could not he could not get that

443
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: out of his mind. And he was inducted posthumously. I mean,

444
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: I did go to the powers that be and I said,

445
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 1: Leo's got two years to live. We know he's going

446
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: to get in sooner or later. I'm just asking you

447
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: if you could make it sooner. And why they why

448
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: they waited. I don't know. I would have meant so

449
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: much to him, But he was a great guy and

450
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: we had really great matches, and I understand you know,

451
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen those episodes at the time. I've seen

452
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: them rerun where he is the father of one of

453
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: the one of the children. Yeah, yeah, and uh, I

454
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: guess you can kind of see where, you know, Frankie's

455
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: not getting along with everyone. To forget me if I'm wrong,

456
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: But then that Leon being his father kind of explains

457
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: who he is a little bit. It's been a while,

458
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: you're not in your head but not really agreeing with me.

459
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't remember ourselves, that's the problem.

460
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure you get people all the time, because

461
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: I know the shot says he was sixty years ago

462
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. Y. Hey, can I tell you Bill Shatner story?

463
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 4: Please please?

464
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: Because you know Bill's like the Grand Pooba of the conventions, right,

465
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: like we all play a role in the hierarchy, but

466
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: he's way up there at the top, right. Uh. And

467
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: So I had seen Shatner's documentary on a plane and

468
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I thought, all right, he's had

469
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: an interesting life. This is going to be an A

470
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: Diz documentary. And it was different. It was a lot different.

471
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: And I told myself, I know Bill always Yeah, he

472
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: just says hi to me. You know, I've never had

473
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: a real conversation with him, and I'm risking the risking

474
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: possibility of the very real possibility being stubbed by Shatner.

475
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: But I'm going to at least take the time to

476
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: let him know how much I enjoyed that documentary. So

477
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: I go up to him and he's in a scooter,

478
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, because he's what, he's ninety years old.

479
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think so.

480
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

481
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: So he's on a scooter and I say, excuse me,

482
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: mister Shatner, and I tell him exactly what I said

483
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: to you, and he looks at me and he says,

484
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: I love Dark Side of the Ring. I said, I said,

485
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: you know there was an episode about me. He says,

486
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: I know. That's why I'm telling you, and he looks

487
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: at me. He goes, the dedication and your willingness to

488
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: sacrifice for your business is so admirable, and I said, wow,

489
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: thank you. I sure wish we had that on video.

490
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: He goes, would you like it on video? Here? I

491
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: was thinking he's the guy who snubs me, and uh,

492
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: I guess he's the exact opposite. Made me feel pretty good.

493
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 4: That's a cool story. I love hearing those stories you.

494
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 4: So back to your Boy Meets World episode, what do

495
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: you remember most from that week of taping.

496
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: When I got to you know, rehearse that everyone was

497
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: really nice and open towards me, and uh, you know,

498
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: you'll read like a memoir about somebody who was a

499
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: guest star or something and they'll say, you know, no

500
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: one really had time for me. And there was one

501
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: I read one of the uh, one of the Walton

502
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: girls from the show, the seventy show, The Waltons talk

503
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: about it. A guest star and I don't want to

504
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: say the guest star was and she ran up to

505
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: him on his current show and said, oh hi, and

506
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: he he didn't really remember or didn't think much of it.

507
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: And I contrast that with me being your guest star.

508
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: And literally every time we see each other, you know,

509
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: we sit down, we talk. I think I think we're

510
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: all we're will you and my writer including you. We're

511
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: on bro hugg terms, right, absolutely. Yeah. Danielle thinks in

512
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: a little firmer, but I always let her initiate the contact,

513
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: and I think it's cute. I think it was about

514
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: a year ago where we had agreed to wear each

515
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: other's shirt and so there's a great photo of me

516
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: and you, and you're wearing the Halloween Havoc shirt with

517
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: me and Vyner on it. I'm wearing the shirt. You know.

518
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: I don't think you get royalties on the one that

519
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: you get off at.

520
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 4: Sea that as the royalties off anything.

521
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: No, no, I know that it's one.

522
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 4: It's one way wrestling treats their their people better than

523
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: than network. But yes, that was so fun. We Mick

524
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 4: and I talked about it via text before we went

525
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: to the can. He said, listen, I'm going to wear

526
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: a Tipega shirt. Do you want? And I was like,

527
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: I'll wear my mankind, I've wear my Halloween Havoc shirt.

528
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 4: Let's do it. And then we picked the day took

529
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 4: the photo. So much fun. Always always enjoy seeing you

530
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 4: and I.

531
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: Want to reiterate this is based on me being on

532
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: the show what y years ago and we're wearing each

533
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: other's shirts. Yeah, it's been really it's been a lot

534
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: of fun.

535
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: How much were you involved, if I mean in the

536
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 4: answer I think is entirely how much were you involved

537
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 4: in choreographing the wrestling that we did in the episode.

538
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. I think it had been pretty

539
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: laid out. I think I had a few ideas, but yeah,

540
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't think I was an essential part of that,

541
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: because you know, if you guys did something was per

542
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, it was perfect. Now, why you're wrestling for

543
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: an apartment that remains, that's a valid question.

544
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 4: That's a miss.

545
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: We don't know either.

546
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: How a referee magically shut up your door another valid question.

547
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: Another mystery, best less of the ages. But I think

548
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: you guys had been working on your scene and you

549
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: may have asked me if you It seems to me

550
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: like I was there for tips, but I wasn't trying

551
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: to force my vision of a wrestling match on you.

552
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: Okay, was mister Soco originally in the script or did

553
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: you pitch that?

554
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I would assume that Bob Tishler was

555
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: in the mid that he would have known and wanted

556
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: mister Soco in the mix.

557
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

558
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 4: So, because of your day job, do you think having

559
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 4: a live studio audience was intimidating for you as an

560
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: actor or did it actually make you feel more at home?

561
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: No? I liked it. I liked it, and I can't

562
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: remember if if your show, Yeah, your show was been

563
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: the first one I did, and I saw mister Feenie.

564
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: I told him what a big fan of Saint Elsewhere

565
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: I was. He William Craig. Wait, no, he was Doctor

566
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: Craig and Saint Elsewhere. His real acting name.

567
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: Is William Daniels.

568
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: William Daniels. Yeah, And so I told him what a

569
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: big Saint Elsewhere fan I was. And then I told

570
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: him my favorite line, because he was he was undergoing

571
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: psychotherapy as doctor Mark Craig. And the doctor said, now

572
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: this dream where you said you saw the silver spaceship

573
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: sewing in the yellow haze of the sun. And he

574
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: said I was kneeling and I was young, which is

575
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: such a great line, you know. And there was another

576
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: one about him being bit by a spaniel and how

577
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: the next time he saw that dog when he riding

578
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: his bike, he had a stick and he and he

579
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: hit the spaniel and then he just looked at the doctor.

580
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: He said, I shouldn't have hit Joe's cocker. So they

581
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: had some fun lines you know that you either got

582
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: or you didn't get.

583
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

584
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 6: He used to tell us one specifically about how he

585
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 6: was playing the piano and uh, there's flower, there's a

586
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 6: flower base on the piano. And the line is something

587
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 6: like I've always enjoyed two lips on the organ. Yeah,

588
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 6: And so he would tell us they would throw in

589
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 6: these lines everywhere, and he's like they would take it

590
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 6: as far as they possibly could without needing some kind

591
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 6: of a sensor to come in and say something yeah

592
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 6: crazy yeah.

593
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: And that's that show broke ground because they had a

594
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: patient with particular cancer and I believe that word had

595
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: never been on network TV before, so it was a

596
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: landmark show. But anyway, going back to the live audience,

597
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: I would I found some reassurance and finding out like

598
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: you could mess up a line, and then the crowd

599
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: was they're there for you, right, these are they really

600
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: want to lift up the every one of them I

601
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: think takes. I know because I was in the audience

602
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: for an episode of Jessevius. My younger kids really liked

603
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Jesse and you see that, you see like, Okay, we're

604
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: part of this. We can make this show better with

605
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: our support. And so when I saw I don't know

606
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 1: who who missed the line, but you know played it

607
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: off with the laugh and the crowd like enjoyed being

608
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: in on that. It's almost like that peek behind the

609
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: curtain that you know w W used to offer. Now I

610
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: think it curtains a little too wide open. Yeah, pretty

611
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: wide open, you know, And I don't know how I

612
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: feel about that. I like the idea of reading between

613
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: the lines and being shown glimpses, but that was that

614
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: was fun for me, And once I realized that that

615
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: everyone was there, you know, too, to lift up the show,

616
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: and that it was okay to make mistakes. I think

617
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: it's really important in anything you do to not be

618
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: afraid of mistakes. You know, like you're part of the process,

619
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: and anytime you're playing, not to make mistakes, you can't

620
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: really play to win. So I think it's great if

621
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: you make a mistake and it becomes it's almost like

622
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: when actors break on SNL and the crowd loves the course. Yeah,

623
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: as long as you don't do it too often, right,

624
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: you know. I think it was done too often, it

625
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: loses its uniqueness. But I felt very welcomed and supported

626
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: on the set.

627
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: When it aired in nineteen ninety nine. Did you get

628
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 4: any response from it from either other wrestlers or the public.

629
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like the WWE was so red hot,

630
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 4: you would have been helping us more than we were

631
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: helping you. But did you get response from it back then?

632
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did, and that was nice, but not surprising

633
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: because your show was so popular and WW was at

634
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: that time. It was super popular and it is as

635
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: well in a different type of way, but globally more

636
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: popular than ever. But what did surprise me was that

637
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: every time that Love and Apartments episode came over in

638
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: reruns that I would get the feedback. So it did

639
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: not surprise me that I got initial feedback. It does

640
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: surprise me. Stop surprising me ten fifteen years ago, the

641
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: fact that people will come up to me. I mean,

642
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: I've signed a few of those photos with Hello Kitty,

643
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: and it's really you know, it's that role and the

644
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: three lines I delivered on Avatar Last Airbender are the

645
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: things that people remember me for outside of wrestling. And

646
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: every once in a while, I'll see you like a

647
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: certain type of expression on the face. I don't mean

648
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: to generalize, but it's usually women of thirty five to

649
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: fifty and it's an expression and I'll go say yes

650
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: to the dress. Yes, I knew that I knew you

651
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: from somewhere ten years earlier. It was the same expression.

652
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: I go celebrity wife spot. Yes I knew. I knew

653
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: You're from somewhere.

654
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: That is so funny.

655
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I got called, like by a friend of

656
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: mine who was going to be on say yes to

657
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: the dress, And she says, will you come into New

658
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: York and help me make the selection? I was like, yeah,

659
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: because I'm exactly the guy you want making your most

660
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: important decision. Yeah. Yeah, why wouldn't you want me on there?

661
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: And I had I had a really good time. Like

662
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: as soon as I saw Randy, although I'd never seen

663
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 1: the show, I was like, okay, yeah, I can play

664
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: off Randy. And you know, they were appalled by my

665
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: fanny pack and course, and when I when my friend

666
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: Heather finally found the dress of her dreams and everyone's

667
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: like it's perfect, I was like, it needs just one thing,

668
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: and I took the fanny pack off, and Randy all

669
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: but tackled me, don't be there, don't be there. So

670
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: I did have a good time, but uh, nothing in

671
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: terms of recognition compares to your show at Avatar.

672
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: Well, soon after Boy Meets World, The Rock would host SNL,

673
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: which was a big step for wrestling in pop culture,

674
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: and you made a cameo on that week show. I

675
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 4: know you are a big comedy fan, so this must

676
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 4: have been a big deal for you. Was it just

677
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 4: an incredible week?

678
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: Wasn't it incredible? Well? I was there. I wasn't there

679
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: all week like rock was. I was there. The final

680
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: day rehearsal, we get a guy, a writer named Tommy

681
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: Blocha who is best known for metal How do you

682
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: pronounce metalcalypsecalypse? So Tommy Blacha was the brains behind go

683
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: ahead and say it, well I have a metal metal acalypse.

684
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: And he had written me and Triple H and Big

685
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: Show into a few scenes. Yeah uh And and then

686
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: we did a cold open. How I'm trying to think

687
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: of the little fellow a big show had behind his

688
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: back And Vince was like, what do you have to

689
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: be on your back show? And he's like nothing, come on, Joe,

690
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: give it show to me. He turns around. He had

691
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: the little guy who did the man. I can't believe

692
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: it what I'm saying, but he was a show had

693
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: him tucked behind his back like in a hammerlocked position

694
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: where you don't actually have much strength, right, but he

695
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: was able to hold one hundred and fifty pound human

696
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: being for like a minute behind his back with one

697
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: of arm. It was like he had him in the front,

698
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: you know this way he had him in the back.

699
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, you know his lats and did it.

700
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: But I know right the power it must take and

701
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: show I was the least interesting WW guy on that

702
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: show because Rock was in another stratosphere like that really launched.

703
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: I think that opened people's minds up to his potential

704
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: and it was fun but like it was it was

705
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: when I say, but I mean, the key takeaway for

706
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: me was that I could see the Rock's future expanding

707
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: as the show is going on. Like when he was

708
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: doing they asked him if he, you know, be willing

709
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: to poke fun in himself. He said, I'll do anything,

710
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: but he didn't want to do a wrestling skit. Yeah,

711
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: so when he did Superman in Smallville, yeah, he just

712
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: he just crushed it and then he crushed it. He

713
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: he really, you know, he nailed every one of his skits.

714
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: Somebody asked me when I dropped the People Out People's

715
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: elbow on one of the cast members, like he said,

716
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: I'm surprised Rock let you do that. When he saw

717
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: it in rehearsal, I said, I didn't do that rehearsal.

718
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 4: Oh exactly. He wouldn't have let me do it.

719
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: Let me do it. But we all had a great time,

720
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: and I think but it was funny because at that point,

721
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: I've been on the road, you know, almost NonStop with

722
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: WW for four years, especially on Saturday nights, and so

723
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: I hadn't actually seen the show in a long time,

724
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: even though I grew up loving it, you know, I mean,

725
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: my parents let me stay up late to watch the original.

726
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: You know, I just I thought John Belus she was

727
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: the man, and it's Chevy Chase and dan Aykroyd and

728
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: Gilda Radner, like this was just you know, an amazing

729
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: cast they had. But I kind of fall touch. So

730
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: at that time when Will Ferrell came up, I really

731
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: didn't even know who he is. You know, isn't that

732
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: crazy seeing as how you know, yes, not just huge,

733
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: but ubiquitous he is. Everyone was really nice, Jimmy Fallon,

734
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: Cherry O, Terry, Cherry O, Terry. The cast could not

735
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: have been nicer. But I wasn't that aware of who

736
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 1: they were because they hadn't hit reruns yet. They hadn't

737
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, they weren't on syndication but that was a

738
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, Tina Fay was great to me, and

739
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: she remembered me from I guess you know, she okay

740
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: me being a guest star on thirty Rock, which was

741
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, incredible, And I went up to

742
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: her at the end of the at the end of

743
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: my time there, and I said, first of all, can

744
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: be can I be on every episode? And I said,

745
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: I want you to know that everyone has been so

746
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: nice to me, and I know that comes down from

747
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: the top. And she she thanked, she thanked me for that.

748
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: She was great. So every everyone I met was really

749
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: nice to me. I wish I'd been more aware, but

750
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: unless they've been on the show for more than four years,

751
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: I probably had not seen them.

752
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: You were also a multiple time New York Times bestselling author,

753
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 4: and you have been telling stories your entire career. Did

754
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 4: you ever think about writing scripts for TV or movies?

755
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: Ooh, oh, I think it's a different I think it's

756
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: an entirely different skill set. I do even when I

757
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: even when I wrote a couple of graphic novels, I

758
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: had to write them out as if they were short stories.

759
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: So I I did write a script for Have a

760
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: Nice day. I wrote it all in I'm Loose Leaf,

761
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I you know, it was okay.

762
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: I don't know it was okay, but it is. It's

763
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: a different it's a different skill set. No, I never

764
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: really considered that. Honestly.

765
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 4: It's never too late, you know.

766
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: You never know. I have ideas, I have to write

767
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: them out, like their stories. I have to oh, that's okay,

768
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: adjectives and things like that, and then have someone else

769
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: like turn it around. Like I was always good in

770
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: pitch meetings because when I retire, yeah, in two thousand,

771
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: there was like a run of four straight years where

772
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: credible Bob Tischler was one of them. We pitched a product,

773
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: Bob titshlar uh, a Bob Pitschler product to the you know,

774
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: the four Networks, and Bob was not a pitch guy,

775
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: and I remember I was like, oh, we're drowning in here,

776
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: and I kind of took over the pitch and we got.

777
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: We got, we went to script and then it never

778
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: got past that and I had something resulting, you know

779
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: as sizzle reel. It didn't work out, but there was

780
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: four years in a row where I would go and

781
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: I was pretty good at pitching other people's ideas, but

782
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything. It looks have you heard the

783
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: rumors now about this docu series? Paul walter Hauser signed

784
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: on to star and produce, and he said, dude, like,

785
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm just worried, I'm a little I'm too short to

786
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: play you. I said, Paul, you're the height that people

787
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: think I am, so you're going to be fine because

788
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: I was six' four WHEN i went INTO, wwe and

789
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: people THOUGHT i was five ten BECAUSE i hunched. OVER

790
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: i wrestled guys who you, know Like undertaker And kane

791
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: were much bigger than. ME i, said you're the hype

792
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: people THINK i, am and he's such a great actor

793
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: that it's opening doors for. Us SO i might be

794
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: in a pitching meetings. AGAIN i love.

795
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 6: That i'm curious because you, KNOW i always love people

796
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 6: in the know and people who know you know everything

797
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 6: about their business inside and, out who they. Admire so

798
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 6: taking yourself out of the, equation who do you think

799
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 6: is the best wrestler of all?

800
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: TIME i Think Terry funk was the best wrestler of all.

801
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: TIME a lot of people haven't seen. Him he gave

802
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: the greatest wrestling Interview i've ever, heard and it consisted

803
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: of one, word. Forever he was interviewed when he retired

804
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: for good from wrestling the first time in nineteen eighty,

805
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: one and then he was wrestling until the mid probably

806
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: around two thousand and, seven two thousand and, eight so

807
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: it was a short lived. Retirement But terry, realized like

808
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: in a stoic culture Like, japan there was an avenue

809
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: open for someone willing to show. Emotions and you, know

810
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: no one ever wept openly or wept at all In japanese.

811
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: Wrestling and here's this, guy tough as they, come but

812
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: he was. Sensitive he would cry and the blood was

813
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: commingled with the sweat and the. Tears and he gave this.

814
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: Interview they tried to, interview and he just said, forever, forever.

815
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: Forever and a couple of years, later in nineteen ninety,

816
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: Nine i'm giving a backlot tour Of Universal, Studios, hollywood

817
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: and as my golf cart's going, BY i hear someone

818
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: going forever, forever AND i turned. Around it Was Eddie

819
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: murphy Doing Terry funk. Promo But terry had the ability

820
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: to suspend disbelief not just among the audience but among his,

821
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: Opponents and so there was this one scene WHERE i

822
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: was the guest enforcer ringside For Jerry lawler And funk

823
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: was coming out as the enforcer or manager for a

824
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: guy named Man. Scout you, know a grown up Boy.

825
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: Scout you, know which is a great Independ scouts. Hilarious, Yeah,

826
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 1: danielle you've been known to appear as an. Independent, yeah, yeah,

827
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: yeah it's a it's a good. Character AND i See

828
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: terry AND i can feel that it's it's a big.

829
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: Crowd it's about fifteen, hundred which is really good size

830
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: for an independent, show AND i CAN i can feel

831
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: that a lot of the fans don't know Who terry

832
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: is because he was before their. Time but by the

833
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: time he, left he's all that people were thinking. About,

834
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: yeah he comes into that, ring And i'm saying to

835
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: the referee AS i See terry's eyes on his way

836
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: down to the, RING i, said you'd better. Run he

837
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: goes WHAT i, said you'd better. Run and As terry

838
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: gets in the, RING i start, urgency you better, run

839
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: you'd better, Run AND i bailed out and he staid

840
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: in the ring And terry punched him square in the

841
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: forehead with his left hand which is a devastating left.

842
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: Hand and after the, show after after the, MATCH i

843
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: come back and the ringing hounder has got a big

844
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: goose egg on his. Head he's got an ice pack

845
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: and he, SAID i can't believe he hit. Me AND

846
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: i looked at him AND i, said what part of the?

847
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: Words you'd better run ringing Out Terry. Funk you never

848
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: know what he might. Do so he you, know he

849
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: did have respect for his. Opponents it's not that he

850
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: uh you, know took, liberties but when you got in

851
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: there with, him there was a very real sense among

852
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: the crowd where they, go, OH i think this one's.

853
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: Real but everything he, did, Yeah and he went from being,

854
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: uh you, know a like a more traditional babyface champion

855
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: h to be hit forty two and he came back

856
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: on W cw is middle aged and, crazy and then

857
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: even as he got, older it became old age and.

858
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: CRAZY i pitched an idea to the creative team in

859
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and six that would pay off in the

860
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: mat be me And edge Against Tommy dreamer And Terry.

861
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: Funk AND i, said this whole angle hinges upon us

862
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: being able to convince fans That Terry funk is crazy

863
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: in about two weeks And dusty Rose pipe he, goes

864
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: that ought to be easy Because Terry funk is. Crazy you, know.

865
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 4: That's a Good Dusty rhodes. Impression that's not, bad, Right,

866
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 4: yeah that's pretty. Good you mentioned, retiring and we are

867
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 4: speaking to you shortly After John cena's big. Retirement. Yeah,

868
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 4: yeah can You i'm excited for you to be able

869
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 4: to have THIS x to give this. Explanation can you

870
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 4: explain to people who were upset that he lost the

871
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 4: match why it was necessary for him to lose the?

872
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: Match and do you Think gunther was the best guy

873
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 4: to do?

874
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: It? Oh, Yes john felt it was. Necessary it WAS i,

875
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: mean it was the right thing to do for the

876
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: sake of. Business it's because Now gunther will essentially have

877
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: that proverbial rocket strap to his. Back do you think

878
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: he was THE i think he was the right guy

879
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: because he. Is you, know he's got such a believable.

880
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: Style he's very. Convincing but you might say he doesn't

881
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: have the pomp and circumstance that that some of the guys.

882
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: Do i'm down to ten, percent so you might want

883
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: to sign me out in a few. Minutes and if

884
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: he needed that little. Something this would be that little. Something,

885
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: now when Brock lesnar defeated The undertaker At, WrestleMania ending that,

886
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: streak he Had Paul hayman on his, side And Paul

887
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: hayman made sure that every, week every week for at

888
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: least a, year he was the man who would defeat The.

889
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: Undertaking repetition is the, key you, know when it comes

890
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: to promoting, something and nobody's better out Than. Paul SO

891
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: i don't know if if they're going to align someone with,

892
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: him BUT i think he is a great guy to

893
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: do that. For i'm only going to argue the other

894
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: point is that because it Was Saturday night's main, event

895
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: because we were drawing in hopefully a few million new,

896
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: fans uh OR i would say at least a million new,

897
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: fans you had the opportunity to show them just how

898
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: JOYFUL ww can, be and we didn't give them that.

899
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: Moment AND i wonder if in the bigger, picture you

900
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: don't know because there's no, textbook BUT i can see both.

901
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: Points when when he, LOST i mean the camera hit

902
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: those reactions and people were genuinely.

903
00:50:51,960 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 4: Hurt there were chairs in my, house really, house you

904
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 4: are the children both, both and wrestling is kind of

905
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 4: famous for the retire but then come. Back do you

906
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 4: Think John cena is really?

907
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: Gone? Wait are you pointing fingers at, Me, Danielle, NO i.

908
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: RETIRED i came back in six.

909
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: Weeks uh did you enjoy your?

910
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: Vacation, well you, KNOW i got the phone CALL i

911
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: had retired from in my, MIND i was never going

912
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: to wrestle. Again and THEN i got a phone call

913
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: From Jim ross, Saying, Hey we've got some plans for

914
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: Your WrestleMania so do you want me to host like

915
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: a panel or. Something you should? Know we would like

916
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: you to be in the main. Event AND i, said

917
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: BUT i just.

918
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: Retired that's the opposite of, retiring.

919
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: Is the option. Retired BUT i will say, THIS i

920
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: am the only person in ww history to try to

921
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: talk their way out of being in A WrestleMania main event.

922
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 4: EXACTLY i don't.

923
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: KNOW i, failed BUT i, tried SO i. Did but

924
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: then it was another four years BEFORE i came. BACK

925
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: i think every person has allowed one big comeback match

926
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: that does not violate the trust of the, fans but after,

927
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: that it's at least partially a grab for, money And

928
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: john's taking plenty of. That SO i will say that

929
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: for anyone who's down About John cena's last, match just

930
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: go to YouTube and look for the song medley From

931
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 1: Ricky stinicky and you'll feel good all over. Again that's movie. Magic.

932
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: There have you seen? It? No, oh you need to see?

933
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: It and then? Ryder how about? You, NO i don't even.

934
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: Know you need to Watch Ricky snicky When John. CENA i.

935
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: CAN'T i don't know how MUCH i can give away

936
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: from a you, know not just a content but A pg.

937
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: Standpoint what the medley is. About it is. Brilliant it

938
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: was one of those few times That i've laughed so

939
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: hard my back, hurt and it IS i think he

940
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: learned his fearlessness from. Wrestling you, know here's the guy

941
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: who showed up essentially naked at The Academy, awards, RIGHT i,

942
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: MEAN i believe he had like the modesty pouch but

943
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: nothing else so he could get a. Laugh and you,

944
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: know he poked fun of himself in the Train, wreck you,

945
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: know the. Humor and he's been increasingly better and better

946
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: at everything he. Does BUT i feel like the musical

947
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: montage where by turns he Is devo from the, eighties

948
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: he Is Alice. Cooper he, Is, yeah he put and

949
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: every one of his songs is about a certain act

950
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: that some guys do when they're. Alone so it's. Brilliant

951
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: it is.

952
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 6: Brilliant and If i'm looking at it right, now they're

953
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 6: looking at what it actually.

954
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: Is so it's a. Movie Ricky sicky is a.

955
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: Movie Ricky snicky is the imaginary friend that this core

956
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: group of friends created from. Childhood they can they could

957
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: blame anything. On and then they have to actually produce

958
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: him at a, party and they hire this actor with

959
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: some serious question. Marks and that actor Is John, cena

960
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: best known as under the pseudonym Rock Hard. Rick he's

961
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: best known for performing off off The boardwalk At Atlantic.

962
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: City and it's just. Brilliant but he puts everything he

963
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: has into. It and it's Oh. Billy one of them

964
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: Is Billy, Idyl so It's Billy idle and, uh there's

965
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: another one or, two But, Devo Alice Cooper Billy idle.

966
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: Man he hats off to, him and he's a good.

967
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: Guy his. Dad i'm actually better friends with his dad

968
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: THAN i am With, john just because his dad comes

969
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: out to my events Anytime i'm In, boston you, know

970
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: He one of the Great christmas gift openings in our

971
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: house was my Son mickey is very talented. Guitarist he

972
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: thought he was getting a new amplifier and there was

973
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: this one package that he just knew was his. Amplifier

974
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: we were recording. It he tears into. It it was

975
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: a case Of johnny fabulous Is fabo? Pop Because John cena's,

976
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: dad at eighty years, old is one of the best

977
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: independent managers in, Wrestling and the letdown Of seeing twenty

978
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: four he was. Devastated and THEN i had the amp behind.

979
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 4: Them oh my, god that's. Amazing, yeah that's a good

980
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 4: gift exchange right. There, well we are so honored that

981
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 4: you are a part Of Boy Meets world's, legacy and

982
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 4: we still hear about you And vader all the time

983
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 4: everywhere we, go especially the, conventions and so the fact

984
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 4: that because of you And, leon we are also always

985
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 4: connected TO wwe is very special to. Us so thank

986
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 4: you for gracing us with your presence long. Time we're

987
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 4: happy to have you.

988
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: CLOSING i just want to say it's great to see

989
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: you looking so. HEALTHY i know you've been through a

990
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: lot and, uh if you noticed the folly text messages

991
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: were more frequent when, uh you, know when you were

992
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: going through.

993
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 4: That, yeah you were really you were really good about

994
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 4: checking in with, me making SURE i was. Okay and

995
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 4: you also you've survived a terrible car.

996
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: Crash yeah, YEAH.

997
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 4: I mean we both really went through it around the same,

998
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 4: time so we were checking in with each. Other so

999
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 4: it's it's always nice to see us healthy and well.

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00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: That's, right, writer thank, you, will thank, You, danielle thank.

1001
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: YOU i had a great.

1002
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 4: Time oh my, gosh what a. Life.

1003
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah i'd love to pitch something with him BECAUSE

1004
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 6: i just want to see him in the room.

1005
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 4: Exactly you, know he'd be.

1006
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 5: Great when he said, that he's, LIKE i Think i'm

1007
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 5: pretty good Pitch like we, know oh, yeah how about.

1008
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: You we know you're good in pitch.

1009
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 4: Meetings so. Fun that's been a that's been in a long.

1010
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 4: Time that's a long time coming that, Interview jensen says

1011
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 4: he's been in a pitch meeting With. Mick what was

1012
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 4: the pitch meeting.

1013
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: W W e WHEN i was working, there he came.

1014
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: In it's just ideas and he's, great tremendous of, Course i'm.

1015
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: Sure, well thank you all for listening to this. Episode

1016
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 4: Of Pod Meets world as. Always you can follow us

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Speaker 5: Done it's like little screwed up WHAT i did and it's.

1028
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Speaker 3: Awful SO i DON'T i don't think we should even air.

1029
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Speaker 2: This this episode should be.

1030
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,000
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