1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: But let's get right to the news about the Mets. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Can they pick up Gregory Soto for their bullpen? What 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: else do you know about, not just this, but what 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: else the Mets could be doing after this? 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: They want more as far as the bullpen is concerned. 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: And Will Salmon and the Athletic noted a few weeks ago, 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: I believe it was that teams look at their young pitching, 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: their prospect pitching pretty favorably, and they have guys that 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: they can move. They really rebuilt their system well, so 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: they're in good position to do not just a deal 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: like this with Soto, but other deals for other relievers 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: if that's what they want to do. 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 3: Is the value out there for the Mets to say 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: we want more of We talked about it earlier, more 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 3: of a Dennis Santana type than say they're going to 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: get outbid for a Emmanuel class A a bednark because 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: they already have a closer. 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: It's a good question, and always Eric, you know this too, 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: with closers and late inning guys. The psychology of going 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: from the ninth inning to the eighth inning, as certain 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: pitchers would that you mentioned, that's always an issue. So 22 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: maybe a Santana for them makes more sense. At the 23 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: same time, I believe Edward Diaz has an opt out 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: after this year, so a closer with control beyond this 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: year would also be useful. But you have to worry 26 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: about how he's going to react and not pitching the ninth, 27 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: especially if he's a guy who is not signed. Now 28 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: class is signed signed cheaply, so it wouldn't be as 29 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: much of an issue with him. It would be more 30 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: the pride factor. But I don't know the class is 31 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: even getting moved. 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: What about the other needs for them? We heard third base, 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 3: We heard centerfield for the Mets, which is more of 34 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: a priority because they have Vientos, because they have Tyrone Taylor. 35 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: You know they have options. Is there a priority there 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: for the Mets? 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: It would seem to me centerfield is more the priority, 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: and third base, as you mentioned, it's Fianto's beatty Mauricio. 39 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: Now those guys are available to and possibly the Mets 40 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: trade one of them to do something else, But in 41 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: my view that position they can continue patching together. Is 42 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: an ideal. No, but it's somewhere where you want to 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: give some guys a little bit of time. Now you 44 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 2: can argue if you're a Mets fan, you probably would 45 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: argue those guys have all gotten their chances, let's move on. 46 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 2: But centerfield, to me, that's something that they've been focused on, 47 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: and a guy like Harrison Bader, who they had before, 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 2: would make sense. Luis Robert Jr. Is someone that they've 49 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: talked about, so I can see them going any number 50 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: of ways on both. They could do a third baseman. 51 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: I just don't see it as important as perhaps the outfielder. 52 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: And lastly, on this trade, let's hit the Orioles side 53 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: of the equation. Can zero surprise here. They're going to 54 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: unload any player that's in this type of position right 55 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: a free agent after this year, and maybe even if 56 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: there's a. 57 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 4: Year and a half of control, depending on the player. 58 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: No question. And Scott, it's interesting that we're a week 59 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: out here, or almost a week out and this has 60 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: started for them, and it had to start. You have 61 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: so many guys on expiring contracts, from effun and Chicano 62 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: to now Domingez, Ryan O'Hearn and Cedric Mullens Junior. All 63 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 2: of these guys plus more that you can't just wait 64 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: until the last day and then pull the trigger. All 65 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: of a sudden No, you've got to go somewhat in sequence. 66 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: I can't say that they have it all planned out. 67 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: We're gonna trade Mullins on Tuesday, O hear, and on Wednesday. No, 68 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: But you have to get the ball rolling, and they 69 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: did with this trade. 70 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 4: All right. 71 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: You wrote a great article about the Padres I just 72 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: read it this morning, about the urgency of AJ Preller. 73 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: He's always urgent and you even said that in your article. 74 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: Can you give us a synopsis of how AJ Pereller 75 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: will attack the trade deadline differently or could attack it 76 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: differently than other gms do that are in different situations 77 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: than he's in. 78 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: Well, the premise of it, Eric, as you mentioned, is 79 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: that he's always in an urgent position. So when I've 80 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: heard from other executives in the last couple of weeks, well, 81 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: they've got to do something this year because they're gonna 82 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: lose King, and they're gonna lose Cease and they lose 83 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: Suarez the free agency. All of that is possible for sure, 84 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: But when is AJ Preller not operated like that? And 85 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: I know his contracts up next year, and you can 86 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: make the case, well he might be trying to get 87 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: a new contract, But again, he always operates the same way. 88 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: So he's going to try to do some things now 89 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: he's identified what he wants one or two bats. They 90 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: also could look for bullpen help because their guys have 91 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: thrown an awful lot as good as they are, and 92 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: if they trade cease, which is possible, then they would 93 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: need some kind of backfill in the rotation at the 94 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: very least. So if you ask me what aj Preller 95 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: is going to do, I have no earthly idea. If 96 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: you ask me, is he going to be busy? Yes, 97 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: I would expect to be busy, perhaps buying and selling, 98 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: just buying. I don't know. But this is a guy who, 99 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: unlike some of his peers, not all, but some, is 100 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: not worried about so much what if the models look 101 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: like and what the surplus value is going to be. 102 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: He routinely goes for it. Now, it doesn't always work, 103 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: we know that, and hasn't always worked with the free agents. Yes, 104 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: of course, when you fire as constantly as he fires, 105 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: you're gonna miss sometimes. It's just the nature of baseball. 106 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: It's the nature in every aspect of this game, from 107 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: players to front office people to media. No one is 108 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: always right But what I appreciate about him, and what 109 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: I believe fan should appreciate is at least this guy 110 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: takes a shot. He doesn't sit there and worry and 111 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: talk himself out of things. He tucks himself into things. 112 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: As a Padres fan, do they have to look at 113 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 3: it like a ledger sheet, say, okay, we get rid 114 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: of cease. That's seven million dollars on this side of 115 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: the ledger he could spend this, or because like you said, 116 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: we don't know about the financial situation. There was a 117 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: lot of drama early with the family. Is it if 118 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: you're a Padres fan, can you look at it that 119 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: way and say, man, if we could just drop this 120 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: guy's contract, we could pick up this Or is it 121 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 3: not going to be a dollar for dollar ledger or 122 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: could it go up higher? 123 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: We don't know the answer to that, And clearly they 124 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: have had some different financial restrictions in recent years since 125 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: the passing of Peter Seidler that they didn't before. And 126 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: they're in a funny spot with the luxury tax. They're 127 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: way over the first threshold, they're a little bit over 128 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: the second threshold. Now do they want to get under 129 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 2: the second threshold? I don't know that that matters so 130 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: much to them. But money isn't always It's always a 131 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: concern with every team, So I would imagine there's some 132 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: of that coming into play here. For instance, they can't 133 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: simply add twenty million dollars a payroll. Probably, but I 134 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: don't know if it's exactly as you said, Eric, where 135 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: if you're taking here, you've got to subtract there. I 136 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: don't know exactly how it's going to work. They might 137 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: they might be in a situation where they compile what 138 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: they're going to do, what would they want to do, 139 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: and then take it to ownership, and ownership says yeah 140 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: or nay. 141 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Right, Hey, let's always remember it this time of year. 142 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: The gms are working their butts off, but then everything 143 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: has to get approved. They have a boss, they're the 144 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: agent for the boss, which is the owner, and money 145 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: is getting moved to mid season. 146 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 4: They don't plan that way. 147 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: So anyway, let's work on a team that has been 148 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: difficult with budgeting the last few years for Jerry Depoto, 149 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: and that's the other big deal to hit. Josh Naylor 150 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: is acquired. To me, he seems like a Depoto dream. 151 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: He makes contact, he's a gamer, he's got some pop. 152 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: What did you think of this move for the Mariners 153 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: and potentially what's next for them? 154 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: I liked it for the Mariners, and right away after 155 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: the trade was made, you saw there be people basically 156 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: reporting that they're not done, and they're also in the 157 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: mix for Ajohano Suarez. If they got both those guys, 158 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: that theoretically should fix their offense, even though where Seattle 159 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: is a more difficult place to hit than Arizona. I 160 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 2: get it all that, but Suarez would be a coup, 161 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: no doubt, especially with the Yankees and Cubs and other 162 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: teams interested. But I did like this move, and to 163 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: Poto two because he has multiple things to do. You 164 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: also might want bullpen help. Can't wait till the last 165 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: day and do everything. So he got a jumpstart of 166 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: the market, just as he did last year with the 167 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: Rose Arena. And I am quite sure they have a 168 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: lot of balls in play, a lot of balls in 169 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: the air, and they're not done. They can't be done. 170 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: Let's stick with the Diamondbacks here. They got rid of Naylor. Obviously, 171 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: Heno Suarez is going to be maybe a bidding war, 172 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: we assume, because everybody seems to need a third basement 173 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: that has thirty five dingers thirty five plus. But is 174 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: there is there a case where the Diamondbacks offload more 175 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 3: players than any other team because of all their expiring contracts. 176 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: Yes, And when I reported yesterday that they were going 177 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: to sell, what I was told was, we don't know 178 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: how far we're gonna go. So could they unload five 179 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: or six guys? Yes, they could. I do not expect 180 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: them to trade Gowen and Kelly. I expected to trade 181 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: Gowan or Kelly. Now beyond that, and beyond Suarez, you're 182 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: talking about Randall Gritchik, you're talking about Shelby Miller possibly 183 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: if he gets back healthy, they can do still a 184 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: number of things. I don't know that they'll go beyond 185 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 2: the expiring contracts because they're going to want to compete 186 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: next year. But they're in a situation right now. They 187 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: know that this season, mostly because of injuries, is all 188 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: but lost. They've got this incredibly dynamic offense, or had 189 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: it with Josh Naylor involved. And could they be a 190 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: team that's quite active. Yes, I expect the Orioles to 191 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: make the most trades. Pittsburgh we're not sure about yet. 192 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: But Arizona is going to make multiple deals as. 193 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 3: Well, But why not both? Why not both Merrill Kelly 194 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 3: and Zach Gallen. 195 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: Eric mostly because you've got to get through the season 196 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 2: and they're not going to have enough pitching to get 197 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: through the season if they trade both. Now, could they 198 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: do it? Might they get pushed enough to where they 199 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: would do it, and then you figure out the rest 200 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: of the season. Yes, But it's also not a group there. 201 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: And this goes for the owner, Ken Kendrick, the general 202 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 2: manager Mike Haysen, and everyone in that front office that 203 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: likes to lose one hundred games. They've done that. Now 204 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: They're not going to lose one hundred this year obviously, 205 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying, They don't want to 206 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: just struggle through the last two months. And with Kelly, 207 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: he might be in more demand right now, even though 208 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: he's older than Goalon. I'm not sure how that dynamics 209 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: playing out. Kelly, in my view, they would have a 210 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: chance to resign. They give him a qualifying offer most likely, 211 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: and then he's been a guy, granted that has accepted 212 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: two below market deals to sign with Arizona, to stay 213 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: with Arizona, but he's comfortable there and with the right deal, 214 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: perhaps he would stay. He's going to be thirty seven 215 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: next season, if I'm not mistaken, So that might be 216 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: another reason too. You know this, Eric, once you trade 217 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: a player becomes that much harder to get him back. 218 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 4: It's still surprising to me. 219 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: Ken if they get an offer that makes sense and 220 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: that's better than what they would get for a comp 221 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: pick right, and it's fifty million dollars or more, I 222 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: think they'd get after the first round. If it's less, 223 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: they would get it after the second round, which starts 224 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: to not matter as much. Do you really think that 225 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: if they get solid offers for both of them. Kelly's 226 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: got a great track history in the playoffs a couple 227 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: of years ago, and I think some teams probably figure 228 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: they can fix Gallon, that they would deal both and 229 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: maybe try and get someone else to fill the innings 230 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: down the stretch, whether it's a veteran or one of 231 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: the young guys that they pick up and they try out. 232 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: Certainly could do that. And I can't recall the exact circumstance, Scott, 233 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: but they've done this before. I believe they traded someone. 234 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: Maybe it was Greanky. I think it was Granky. The 235 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: year they traded in they backfilled with Mike Leak, So yes, 236 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: of course they could do that. But standing is that 237 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: is not their initial intention. Now, as you guys know, 238 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: we're in the final days here, teams are going to 239 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: push for starting pitching. So if they get pushed on both, 240 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: and if they crossed the threshold that they have set 241 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: for both, of course they will do the trades and 242 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 2: worry about the rest later. But it seems that their 243 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: inclination is not to do that. 244 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I've got one more, maybe ek one more at 245 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: the finish line here. Mine is a general question. Have 246 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: we learned anything about teams on the fences on the 247 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: fence in the past twenty four to forty eight hours 248 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: the Angels, perhaps it sounds like the Cardinals will be selling. 249 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 4: Have you learned anything about teams like that. 250 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: The Diamondbacks were the first domino, and certainly we learned 251 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 2: yesterday and saw yesterday that they were going to sell. 252 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: The Cardinals are certainly leaning in that direction and are 253 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: expected to sell as well. Kansas City on the fence, 254 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay on the fence, A lot of teams still 255 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: on the fence. I would expect Minnesota they're going to 256 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: sell their expiring contract guys at the very least. But 257 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: this weekend will be a big weekend from number of teams, 258 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: and after this weekend we will similarly have some more 259 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: clarity on just who's in and out. Kansas City is 260 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: a fascinating one to me. They don't want to sell, 261 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: They want to compete, They want to contend. They feel 262 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: like they've built a good team and all this talk 263 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: of logo is fine, but they're not as into it 264 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 2: from what I understand as the rest of the world is. 265 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: So that's one team to watch for sure. 266 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: Ken, I have a benefit of not needing to troll 267 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 3: you on Twitter. I can ask your questions right here. 268 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 3: You said about the Blue Jays earlier needing a starting 269 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: pitcher because of Max Sure's are getting older, and I 270 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: think you had mentioned Bassett's contract is up. There is 271 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: there really more of a need for starting pitching with 272 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 3: the Jays than that relief pitching role or maybe some 273 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: slug even if Santan Derek comes back. 274 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: For our show's coming back first, we don't know about 275 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: Santan Derek. They certainly need bullpen help because of the 276 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 2: injuries that they've incurred in the bullpen in recent weeks. 277 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: Really all season a starter. I don't know that it's 278 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: a necessity, but you're talking about relying on Max Scherzer, who, 279 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: let's face it, has been on the injury list quite 280 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: a bit in recent years. Talking about relying on Eric Louer, 281 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: who has been tremendous for them, but you don't know 282 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: for sure if he's going to be able to sustain 283 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: it the whole season. So you're not only getting a 284 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: person in place for next year if you get that 285 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: controllable starter, but you're also reinforcing what you have for 286 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: this year. And I want to address some complaints from 287 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: Blue Jays fans yesterday because of fair territory focusing on 288 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: the Yankees' poor performance Wednesday night instead of praising the Jays. 289 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: We've been praising the Jays. The Jays are doing great. 290 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: We all love what the Jays are doing. The focus 291 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: after four eras and three innings the other night, twelve 292 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: in ten games against the Blue Jays, that was going 293 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: to be the Yankees. That's how the world works, folks. 294 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: Well said you want praise for the Jays. Ken literally 295 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: just gave it again. There is praise for the Jay's 296 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: It is on the record. 297 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 4: Thank you. 298 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: Ken. 299 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're covering this team a ton this year, not 300 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: as much last year because they weren't good. So we'll 301 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: talk much more about the Jays, including next week. We'll 302 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: see you next week on Monday on Fair Territory. Thanks guys, 303 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: thank you. That's Ken Rosenthal and there's the show promo 304 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: for you, Fair Territory. Yesterday's episode is full of notes 305 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: and information. We tried to get to other things because 306 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: yesterday's show covered a lot from Ken's notes column and 307 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: what he had been hearing, so tried to get to 308 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: some other things today. But make sure you backtrack for 309 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: that one and then catch Ken live. It's going to 310 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: be a well attended show on Monday morning. Cody, good 311 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: to see you, dude. Covering the team for the Athletic 312 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: covering the Detroit Tigers and Tiger Territory for US. So, Cody, 313 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to start with this one because this has 314 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: been going on since the last week of the first 315 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: half of the season. 316 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 4: Are the Tigers. 317 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 5: Okay, Well, they're not okay right now. They've lost ten 318 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 5: of eleven if you count the All Star break. They 319 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 5: have one win in the past sixteen days and they 320 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 5: haven't just been losing, They've been losing in pretty ugly fashion. 321 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 5: Lack of hitting, bullpen has actually been bad going back 322 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 5: to the start of June. Starting pitching has not been great. 323 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 5: In their series in Pittsburgh, we saw probably the sloppiest 324 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 5: play we've seen from the Tigers. So are they okay? 325 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 5: I think that's a harder question to answer, right. How 326 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 5: do you ever navigate the ups and downs of a 327 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 5: major league season? How do you know when to react, 328 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 5: when to really kind of freak out about something. I 329 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 5: think there's a lot of evidence that suggests the Tigers 330 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 5: are a good team, not just the way they started 331 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 5: this season, but look at how they ended last year. 332 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 5: Look at their run differential, which is still a pretty 333 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 5: good predictive stat. I think they're going to be able 334 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 5: to snap out of this. But this seems to keep 335 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,359 Speaker 5: happening night after night, and it does have to stop eventually, 336 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 5: so really bad stretch of baseball for the Tigers. It's 337 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 5: got in soon, or we could do these the tenor 338 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 5: of these conversations could start changing. 339 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: Are we starting to see a Minnesota Tigers collapse last year? 340 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: I know that maybe too soon, maybe too soon, But 341 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: the one thing that you said. You know, you're seeing 342 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 3: it in a lot of like different ways. The bullpen, 343 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 3: you know, there's different things. To me, it's the hitting. 344 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 3: Is there a concern in Detroit about going in Granted 345 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 3: you go into Pittsburgh they have good pitching, they have 346 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 3: really good pitching, and they got they got shell ACKed 347 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: in the box. To me, is this is this lack 348 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: of hitting more of a regression to the mean because 349 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: of some of these guys who had breakout years. To 350 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: talk about Spencer Torkelsen was gonna go to Triple A, 351 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 3: you talk about Zach McKinstry, everybody, you know, all these 352 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 3: storylines that built the Tigers offense early. Now are they 353 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 3: coming back down or is it just a blip in 354 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: a radar? 355 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's definitely some level of regression. I 356 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 5: felt as though the Tigers overachieved offensively in the first half. 357 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 5: It's not to say they're a bad offense, but they 358 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 5: finished the first half. Is the second best run scoring 359 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 5: lineup in the American League. That's a pretty lofty standard. 360 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 5: And yeah, Zach McKinstry, Hovey Bayas, some of those guys, 361 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 5: pretty reasonable to expect regression now, Spencer Torgelsen is actually 362 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 5: still raking, but Riley Green, who's carried this lineup, has 363 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 5: been a slump. Kerry Carpenter, who's one of their most 364 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 5: important hitters, is on the injured list. Some of these 365 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 5: guys you got back from the il Matt Vierling, Parker Meadows, 366 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 5: you were kind of expecting some contributions. They've been rusty, 367 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 5: They've been off to very slow starts. I think that's 368 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 5: still going to be a big deal for the Tigers 369 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 5: in the second half. If mckinstree slumps, if Hovey Bayaz slumps, 370 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 5: if a couple other guys, even Gla Torres, who's been fantastic, 371 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 5: is he gonna have a three to seventy three eighty 372 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 5: OBP the rest of the way. I don't know that's 373 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 5: a high bar. They need the likes of Meadows, Veerling 374 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 5: some of these other guys to step up and carry 375 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 5: some of the load here, whereas right now it seems 376 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 5: like almost every hitter in this order is going through 377 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 5: a little bit of something. Towerklsen has been one of 378 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 5: the brighter spots actually, and no one else has stepped 379 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 5: up to carry that load. I do think it's fair 380 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 5: to worry, how good is this offense? Is this an 381 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 5: average offense? I think it's probably realistically more of an 382 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 5: average offense than the elite type of offense they played 383 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 5: like in the first half. 384 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: Okay, let's get the rumors and needs. The trade deadline 385 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: is coming up, and no better time to struggle and say, well, 386 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: wait a minute, I didn't notice this. I didn't notice 387 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 3: we had this problem, and now we need to fill it. 388 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 3: Where do you see and where do you hear that 389 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: the moves are going to come for the Tigers in 390 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 3: the next few days. 391 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, we just talked about the offense. My 392 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 5: sense right now after a couple of conversations, not a 393 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 5: lot of upgrades being going on there. I know people 394 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 5: like to mention them in connection with Iohanio Suarez. The 395 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 5: fit makes sense one paper, I'm told the Tigers are 396 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 5: not closing the door. But not closing the door seems 397 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 5: a lot different than what the Mariners are saying, which 398 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 5: is that it's their top priority. Now, there's always a 399 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 5: little bit of posturing at the trade deadline, but I 400 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 5: don't get the sense the Tigers want to get in 401 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 5: a bidding war or ship any major prospects at this deadline. 402 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 5: They're not going to trade any of their top one 403 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 5: hundred type guys. Max Clerk's going nowhere, Kevin mcgonagall's going nowhere. 404 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 5: Even if you get into that mid tier of prospects. Look, 405 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 5: the Tigers are one of these modern front offices that 406 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 5: really likes to hoard their talent, that kind of covets 407 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 5: their prospects. I just don't see a big splash. Could 408 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 5: they find another hitter, platoon type bats upgrade. Maybe? My 409 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 5: sense is that their early efforts at the on the 410 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 5: trade market center around center on their relief market. This 411 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 5: team clearly needs bullpen help. Since the start of June, 412 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 5: their bullpen era is over five. They have the worst 413 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 5: swing and miss rate from the bullpen in the entire 414 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 5: American League. Now again, are they gonna go get Ryan Helsley? 415 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 5: Are they gonna go get Emmanuel class A? I'm not sure. 416 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 5: I think Hellsley might be on their radar, don't. I'm 417 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 5: not expecting an in division trade for Duran or class A. 418 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 5: This is also the Tigers. They like to be creative. 419 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 5: They always seem to have something up their sleeve that 420 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 5: no one else is thinking about. I wouldn't be shocked 421 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 5: if they identify a couple lesser names to bring in 422 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 5: to come help this bullpen. They're already talking about the 423 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 5: internal guys. They have some pitchers in TRIPAA they think 424 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 5: can help them. They're banking on internal improvements and a 425 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 5: couple of the right editions they hope that can fortify 426 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 5: a bullpen that desperately needs help. 427 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: Can that bullpen add a certain type of picture so 428 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: when fans look at it and they go, we we 429 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 3: get tons of swing and miss out of the bullpen. 430 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: To me, you don't even You're not even like barking 431 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 3: down the door of Johan Duran. You're not even looking 432 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: at guys that don't have a k per nine, you know, 433 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 3: over nine or ten. Is there a certain type of 434 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: pitcher that matches like the Mets. The Mets just needed 435 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: another lefty they got Greg Risoto. Is there something that 436 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 3: matches for that bullpen that would couple well with the 437 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 3: Tommy Kinleys of the world. 438 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent. I think you just nailed it. 439 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: Eric. 440 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 5: It's got to be someone who misses bats. At least 441 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 5: in my opinion, you can't have the worst swinging miss 442 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 5: rate in the American League from your bullpen. And you know, 443 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 5: there's a correlation between generating swinging miss and winning in 444 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 5: the playoffs. So maybe that's not the top end type 445 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 5: closer guy. But there are other pitchers out there who 446 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 5: miss a lot of bats. Read Detmer's is one name 447 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 5: who comes to mind. Like you can keep going down 448 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 5: the list. I think you're right. It needs to be 449 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 5: someone who can punch nine ten eleven guys per nine innings. 450 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 5: But keep in mind, the Tigers also really value pitchers 451 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 5: who limit walks. Now, finding a guy who can do 452 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 5: both one of the harder things to do out there. 453 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 5: I think they're gonna want a high swing and misrate 454 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 5: without sacrificing a ton of free passes. That's the type 455 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 5: of profile I'm looking for. 456 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 3: Right here, right here, Cody, For everybody listening, money is 457 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: their payroll flexibility for the Tiger's front office to get 458 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: these needs done, whether it's whether it's that big, big 459 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: arm or like you said, kind of middle tier arms, 460 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 3: like a Red Detmers type of thing. Do they have 461 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 3: the cash to do it? Because again, there's a team 462 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: that offered Alex Bregman. I forget how many hundred million. 463 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I think I don't think money should be 464 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 5: a real concern for the Tigers. They're not close to 465 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 5: the luxury tax. They were clearly willing to spend a 466 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 5: little more this past offseason. Again, I don't know that 467 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 5: they're going to be going after anyone with a huge 468 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 5: salary to begin with. That's I think that has a 469 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 5: lot more to do with not willing, not being willing 470 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 5: to give up their farm system than it does spending money. 471 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 5: I don't think cash should be any object for the 472 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 5: Tigers at this point. 473 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 3: Now going into the postseason. Last year they had Trek 474 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: Scoubel and that's about it. Is there a need to 475 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: maybe four to five starting pitching spot to just get 476 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 3: the rest of the starting pitchers healthy and ready to 477 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 3: go for the postseason. I get it. You're gonna have Flaherty, 478 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 3: You're gonna have Reeslsen, You're gonna have Terrek Scooble. I'm 479 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 3: not talking about somebody bumping out that that main line, 480 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: but maybe that fourth or fifth starter to fill some 481 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: of this role until the postseason. 482 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Tigers seem to like what they have internally 483 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 5: for the fourth guy, the fifth guy, cater Montero's actually 484 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 5: been okay for them this year. Saw your Gibson Longs 485 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 5: hurt right now, but they expect him to come back. 486 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 5: They signed was A Erkidi, which is a name a 487 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 5: lot of people haven't heard in a while. This offseason, 488 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 5: he's rehabbing from surgery. They think he's gonna come back 489 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 5: and pitch in August September and be able to start 490 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 5: games for them. They just called up Troy Melton, who's 491 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 5: a really interesting young guy. Can throw a hundred, gets 492 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 5: a ton of swing and miss. He could start, He 493 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 5: could move to the pin if need be later in 494 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 5: the year. I think that's their plan for the fourth 495 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 5: fifth spots. My personal question, like is they're married and 496 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 5: going and getting a real guy, like a guy who 497 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 5: can start game two of a playoff series. I seem 498 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 5: to want that more than a lot of people, and 499 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 5: I understand a starters are expensive. Be in the playoffs, 500 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 5: you could argue starting pitching matters less than ever. The 501 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 5: Tigers beat the Astros in the playoffs and took the 502 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 5: Guardians to five last year based on mixing and matching, 503 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 5: based on pitching chaos. You can do that in the postseason. 504 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 5: But I'd feel a little bit better having a guy 505 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 5: you can really count on, maybe a Merrill Kelly type. 506 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,959 Speaker 5: I'm told the Tigers don't really love Sandy al Contra 507 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 5: or Zach Gallon, but there's some other pretty quality pitchers 508 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 5: out there as much as Resoulcing Casey, Maiz Jack Flaherty. 509 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 5: Those are all very capable pitchers, but both have been 510 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 5: All of them have been a little bit up and down. 511 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 5: I don't know that you're trotting any of them out 512 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 5: there for Game two of the playoffs in Yankee Stadium 513 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 5: and thinking, Okay, these guys can go seven scoreless. Maybe 514 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 5: you're not feeling that way with a Merrill Kelly type either. 515 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 5: But I personally think there's some rooms upgrade the rotation, 516 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 5: but I'm told the Tigers don't necessarily. 517 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 4: View that as a real priority. 518 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: What is the style of Scott Harris now? Getting to 519 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: know him the last few years he's running the front 520 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: office for the Tigers. He has done a really nice 521 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: job the last few years. His team at a magical 522 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: run last year, they're great up into the last couple 523 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: weeks this year. What is his style as far as 524 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: making moves? Yeah, pragmatic is always the word that seems 525 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: to come up around Scott Harris very much. I think 526 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: a reflection of like the modern executive. 527 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 4: Right. 528 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 5: He's young, he's polished, he likes his prospects, he believes 529 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 5: in calculated risk, finding value on the margins, not necessarily 530 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 5: a guy who's going to go chase stars, chase big names. 531 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 5: They did go after Bregman harder than a lot of 532 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 5: people myself included, thought they would this offseason based on 533 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 5: other history. But I don't think Scott Harris is the 534 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 5: type of GM who actually sees not that he doesn't 535 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 5: see value in the trade deadline, but it's easy for 536 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 5: us in the media, for other teams out there to 537 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 5: maybe overrate what you can do at the trade deadline. 538 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 5: At the end of the day, you're getting I think 539 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 5: this is how the Tigers, for an office, views it. 540 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 5: You're getting rentals. You were trading parts of your future 541 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 5: for rental type players who may or may not perform 542 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 5: in a two month window for you, and then in 543 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 5: the volatility of the postseason. So yeah, when you think 544 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 5: Scott Harris, when you think the Tigers, there's very much 545 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 5: a big brain organization. Now they operate a little more 546 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 5: like the Rays or maybe the Astros of old. The 547 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 5: Astros of old did make some aggressive moves at the deadline, 548 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 5: But I don't think that swashbuckling, aggressive style at all 549 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 5: describes the Tigers Cody one. 550 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 4: More for you. 551 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: Do you think that the lack of competition right now 552 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: in the division affects things at all for this team? 553 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: You know, gives a little bit of complacency to the 554 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: front office and really ownership who controls all of the 555 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: decision makings. Or do you think they're very aware that 556 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: they could do damage in the playoffs? The American League 557 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: in general has not been as strong in my mind 558 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: as it usually is for this season and last season. 559 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 5: Now, yeah, I think you may be onto something there. 560 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 5: Right this is not an American league with a superpower. 561 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 5: The Tigers have been playing very bad baseball as of late. 562 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 5: But who's going to beat them in the playoffs? I mean, 563 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 5: there's certainly teams who could, but I don't know that 564 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 5: there's anyone. The Tigers are necessarily fearing right now, and 565 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 5: they've lost ten of eleven and they still lead the 566 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 5: ale Central by eight games now. They were up by 567 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 5: fifteen games not all that long ago. Suddenly the Guardians 568 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 5: are just close enough to be within shouting distance again. 569 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 5: But I think maybe that plays a role. I do 570 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 5: wonder would the calculus be any different if the Tigers 571 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 5: were only up by one or two games in their division. 572 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 5: There's a real thought that maybe there's more value in 573 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 5: acquiring players to get you to the playoffs, because once 574 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 5: you're in the playoffs, anything can happen. The Tigers, it 575 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 5: would take a pretty historic collapse at this point to 576 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 5: miss the postseason. I think they still feel good about 577 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 5: the core group they have stacking up against anyone else 578 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 5: in the American League. So a little bit of an 579 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 5: interesting discussion there. I don't think i'd call it complacency, 580 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 5: but I don't think that you know, when you look 581 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 5: and you're up eight games in the standings, that's definitely 582 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 5: not making anyone more urgent in that front office. 583 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like this team. I hope they get aggressive. 584 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: You've built up the prospect capital, You've got your time 585 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: to strike. 586 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 4: This is the year for it. You've got prime Scooples, Scott. 587 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 5: You could be good for the next twenty million years, 588 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 5: assuming all these prospects are exactly what you think you're 589 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 5: going to be, which is always had happen. 590 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 4: That never happens. It really doesn't. 591 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: It's probably the biggest mistake that front offices make is 592 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: that they think they're going to be good for longer 593 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: and the window closes sooner, and you always hear it 594 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: from former execs, But Cody, this was great, dude. 595 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 4: Great combo with you. 596 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: Tiger Territory is the show that you got to be 597 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: locked in on with Kieran and Cody. They are dialed 598 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: on anything that happens, including rumors, plus Austin Jackson for 599 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: select shows. There's the pretty promo. Cody, thanks for the time, dude. 600 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: We'll catch us soon. Hopefully we'll talk when the Tigers 601 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: swing a deal. 602 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 5: All right, sounds good, Thanks Scott,