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Speaker 1: Welcome to Is this great game or what?

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Speaker 2: And our guest this week is my dear friend Jeremy Shaff,

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Speaker 2: the best journalists that we have at ESPN.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy, welcome to the podcast. This is Jeffrey Kirchin. I

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Speaker 1: think you met him once briefly.

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Speaker 3: I am so excited to be here. I'm a huge

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Speaker 3: fan of the pod. It really is. It's almost like

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Speaker 3: a warm blanket for me. You know what a kids

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Speaker 3: call them. They're like snugglies. Like I turn it on

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Speaker 3: and I just I feel good. I love listening to

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Speaker 3: you guys. I love the tone, I love the information,

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Speaker 3: I love the laughs. Thank you for having it.

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Speaker 4: Well, I you know, it's about time we got Jeremy

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Speaker 4: Shaff on the pod because he's only gotten to mention

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Speaker 4: in every episode for the last like six weeks.

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Speaker 5: I feel like, which is right.

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Speaker 3: Or maybe we willie At least Rice Rose and I

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Speaker 3: are time.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy is weighing in on all sorts of things, including

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Speaker 2: all the stupid stuff that we do.

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Speaker 1: We had the all female team.

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Speaker 2: Baseball, and Jeremy threw us Granny Hamner and all that,

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Speaker 2: and of course I left out Christy Mathewson.

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Speaker 1: And Jeremy did too. I felt so much.

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Speaker 3: I did too.

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Speaker 2: And what was that your grandmother grandfather's favorite player.

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Speaker 3: Grandfather Christy Mathewson was an idol. Even though he was

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Speaker 3: his time. His favorite player growing up was Zach whed

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Speaker 3: His favorite players were Zach Wheed and Dazzy Vance, but

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Speaker 3: Christy Mathewson was his idol. You know, Christy Mathewson turning

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Speaker 3: the twentieth century, the man who turned the game into

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Speaker 3: a gentleman's game and went to college at Bucknell and

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Speaker 3: played chess and enlisted, you know, in his late thirties

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Speaker 3: and World War One. So Christy Mathison was always like,

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Speaker 3: you know, when you heard his name, there was like

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Speaker 3: this like organ music or something, you know, this aura,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Jeff, It's just it's amazing that Jeremy

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Speaker 2: knows this much about the history of baseball.

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Speaker 1: So, Jeremy, I'm going to embarrass you several times.

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Speaker 2: Today, twenty twenty years ago, we're driving from Yankee Stadium

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Speaker 2: back into the city where Jeremy lives.

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Speaker 1: He's given me.

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Speaker 2: A ride and on the way he's telling me the

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Speaker 2: starting rotation from the nineteen ten Philadelphia A's you know Jack.

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Speaker 3: Who's and you know any bender playing? Yeah, it was guys.

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Speaker 2: Instead, Jeff, we pass a art gallery and he proceeds

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Speaker 2: with no pretense involved. He proceeds to tell me what

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Speaker 1: In that art gallery?

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Speaker 2: Like nobody can know both of those things, all said.

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Speaker 2: The only monette I know is Monett Davis, and he

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Speaker 2: knew all sorts of things hanging. Jeremy, where does this

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Speaker 2: vast depth of knowledge come from? Now, don't be modest.

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Speaker 3: He's playing you very I'm very flattered. I have. I've

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Speaker 3: spent my lifetime I'm fifty six now accumulating random facts,

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Speaker 3: you know, different things, historical stuff, baseball especially. I've tried

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Speaker 3: to broaden it out, but it was all kind of

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Speaker 3: all had all of that information in our fingertips, in

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Speaker 3: our pockets and our phones. Now it's totally useless. Like

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Speaker 3: we used to say, this is useless. Why did you

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Speaker 3: memorize every vice president? Why did you memorize every losing

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Speaker 3: major party candidate for president? It was like two because

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Speaker 3: you know, because knowledge and intelligence are different at least.

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Speaker 3: I could always say I've got a lot of knowledge,

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Speaker 3: but now it doesn't do anything for you, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean?

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Speaker 2: You can do that with President's Jeremy.

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Speaker 3: That I can do Tim. I can do the Kings

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Speaker 3: and Queens of England from the conquest to now in order.

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Speaker 3: So that's ten sixty six obviously to now. I used

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Speaker 3: but I've forgotten most of them. It's all, all of it.

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Speaker 3: All it means, as you guys know, is that I

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Speaker 3: had a misbegotten youth, a wasted youth. And and this

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Speaker 3: My dad wrote a story for the New York Times

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Speaker 3: in seventy eight about my baseball obsessiveness and trivia obsessiveness,

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Speaker 3: and you know, it's stuck, stuck baseball stuff. Most of

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Speaker 3: And then it was in the Browns and and it's

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Speaker 4: We had Mike Sure on the podcast, and he is

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Speaker 4: a seamhead in every way of course it you know,

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Speaker 4: his wife had to say, you heard.

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Speaker 3: In my life, I've never heard, right, And.

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Speaker 5: The obsession goes so deep.

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Speaker 4: And one thing I've heard from my dad about you,

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Speaker 4: and I think all three of us have this in

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Speaker 4: common when it comes to little isms about us that

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Speaker 4: are just unexplainable. So when you have and I want

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Speaker 4: you to confirm this for me, when you have bills

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Speaker 4: in your wallet, you organize them singles, fives, ten like.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a Willie Weinbaum thing. He loved. Just tell

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Speaker 3: just a couple of mints, right. It was Philly and

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Speaker 3: all look at these things, you know, our whole lives,

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Speaker 3: so naturally I memorized letters and which mints they correspond to,

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Speaker 3: and then it's just it's a short leap to then

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Speaker 3: organizing your bills in your wallet by those mints. Right,

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Speaker 3: you know, the a's for Boston's, the b's for New York,

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Speaker 3: the ce's for Philadelphia, et cetera. Why would say so crazy?

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Speaker 2: Jeff I said to Jeremy one night on like tested it.

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Speaker 2: I said, like c and he went like Philadelphia, don't

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Speaker 3: Now what I do. I do have to say it's

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Speaker 3: no longer. It's been about twenty years since they had

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Speaker 3: the circles with them. But there is a serial code

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Speaker 3: But they it used to be a big circle, so

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Speaker 3: I think I can still do it. Dia is Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: e Is Richmond, f IS Atlanta, g IS Chicago, h

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Speaker 2: Right, Jeremy, Jeremy, you're my friend.

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Speaker 5: But what is wrong with you?

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Speaker 2: How could you possibly know that after all that you

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Speaker 2: memorize it when you were like twelve and you're fifty

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Speaker 2: six and you could still do it fifty six.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, but there is there

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Speaker 3: is kind of a family trait for it. And my

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Speaker 3: father he was more he was better socialized than I was,

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Speaker 3: so he wouldn't talk about it, but he knew a

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Speaker 3: need to brag about it like I do. So. And

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Speaker 3: then his first cousin, my first cousin, once removed, is

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Speaker 3: a guy named Phil Shap Phil my cousin. He died

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Speaker 3: a few years ago, but he was widely considered remains

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Speaker 3: widely considered the foremost expert on jazz ever in the world.

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Speaker 1: Utah all times Sorry, Keith, greg.

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Speaker 3: Laden and Uh and his father as well, my uncle

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Speaker 3: Walter preceded him as a jazz expert, and Phil was

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Speaker 3: the kind of guy. Uh, if you said to him,

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Speaker 3: you were born on you were born? I know when

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Speaker 3: your wife was born, Jeff, she was born just a

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Speaker 3: few days before twenty one thirty one. When were you born?

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Speaker 5: I was born August ninth nine, when she was born

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Speaker 5: on twenty one thirty. We and we, Jeremy, we just

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Speaker 5: found this out. I mean, you would think we've been

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Speaker 4: For two years, but our whole lives have been surrounding

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Speaker 4: this amazing event at the Orioles.

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Speaker 5: I grew up in Maryland.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy would have anyway.

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Speaker 5: A guy like me would have married her because of that.

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Speaker 5: But I never knew.

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Speaker 1: All right, he would say, what.

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Speaker 3: So you tell him when you were born? He'd say, oh,

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Speaker 3: that was a Tuesday. And not through mathematical formula, but

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Speaker 3: because he knew a jazz record that was recorded that day,

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Speaker 3: and he would know every musician who played on the record.

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Speaker 3: super Bowl that year. He would have no idea, but

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Speaker 3: everything before nineteen sixty five he knew.

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Speaker 2: That's unbelievable that Jeremy, don't be modest here. Give me

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Speaker 2: something that you don't know anything about.

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Speaker 1: Now that that's a lot of things for me. Just

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Speaker 1: give me something that you have no pop culture, pop culture.

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Speaker 3: I know nothing about current pop culture. I am. I'm

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Speaker 3: fifty six, but I might as well be ninety six.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's it's totally foreign to me,

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Speaker 3: and I don't I haven't really followed, you know, new

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Speaker 3: the entire kind of hip hop era. I just don't

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Speaker 3: Katie Feeney, Annie Agar and it was like it was

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Speaker 3: like I was Uncle Junior in the Soprans like like

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Speaker 3: like it was like everything was like about Angie Dickinson,

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Speaker 3: that far. But it's yeah, that and that's not just it.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm like if I ended up on Jeopardy and

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Speaker 3: it was some kind of science category, my thirteen year

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Speaker 3: old son would blow me out of the water. I mean,

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Speaker 3: history is science, I'd be okay, but actually, like knowing

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Speaker 3: how things work, that is way beyond me. Not like

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Speaker 3: the Kirchins who have all this mathematical and scientific, you know,

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Speaker 3: stuff in their head.

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Speaker 2: Some of the Kirchens have that stuff in their head.

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Speaker 2: My father, Jeff's grandfather had that stuff in his head.

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Speaker 2: He was a PhD in mathematics MIT undergrad. It did

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Speaker 3: whole bunch of them, and now it seems like, you

433
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Speaker 3: know there and then there was that span where you

434
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: had perfect games, like what seven of them in like

435
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: four years or something. It was different, Jeremy.

436
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Speaker 4: I have to say the documentary you did was so

437
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 4: good that the interview the I watched it shortly before

438
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 4: we spoke to Jim Abbott, and I said to myself, well,

439
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Speaker 4: we're never ever going to interview Jim Abbot quite like

440
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 4: he got interviewed in that document, So.

441
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 5: We're gonna have to ask him a whole bunch of

442
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 5: other questions.

443
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: You probably didn't have twelve hours to do it. He

444
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: do very long interviews. And I do want to say,

445
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 3: you know, it was directed by Mike Farrell, and I

446
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 3: don't know if Tim, if you ever worked with Mike.

447
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: He's great.

448
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 3: I mean he's so great. I mean, I love taking

449
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: credit for things. It's really like my it's my m o.

450
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: You know.

451
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 3: But but and I would love to and given any opportunity,

452
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 3: but this was really you know, it is so much

453
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 3: about Mike, and it was so much about Mike's dynamic

454
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: with Jim and Jim. Just I mean, you just can't

455
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: ask for more kims of the story or the guy

456
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 3: he was.

457
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 4: He blew us away on our podcast, Jeremy, and he

458
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 4: was fantastic in your documentary. If anybody listening missed either

459
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 4: of those, go listen and watch both of those because

460
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 4: they're fantastic. But I want to talk about something else

461
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 4: you did in your career that has shared common ground

462
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 4: with my dad, which is related to Bobby Fisher, because

463
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 4: my dad.

464
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: I don't know the Bobby Fisher.

465
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 4: My dad's arguably top five favorite movie of all time

466
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 4: is Searching.

467
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 5: For Bobby Fisher.

468
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Speaker 3: I didn't know that that.

469
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: It's my guilty pleasure. It's the movie that not everybody

470
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: saw or loved that I think is one of the.

471
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Speaker 1: Greatest movies I've ever seen. I've loved it. I've seen it.

472
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Speaker 2: I've seen it twenty five times. It's so beautifully active. Yes,

473
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: all right, Jeff, get to the point.

474
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Speaker 3: I saw. I saw it. I thought it was a

475
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: great movie, and I interviewed it's Josh Wakin, who is

476
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: the inspiration, not like any kiss fortunately like weak right.

477
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: So my father and I interviewed him together on our

478
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: radio show a million years ago, and he became like

479
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,239
Speaker 3: a judo champion and a karate champion, right, like all

480
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: kinds of martial arts, not even like one night anyway.

481
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I digress.

482
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Speaker 5: Well, I got frustrated when he did that.

483
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 4: I said, you can't be a master chess champion and

484
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 4: be able to beat me up.

485
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 5: Okay, you gotta have one or the other. It's just

486
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 5: not fair. When we had ad Nan Urk on the show, ad.

487
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 4: Nan went to that went to the party for my

488
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 4: dad when he was inducted into the Hall of Fame,

489
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Speaker 4: and he wrote on this giant poster that my mom

490
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Speaker 4: put up, which is now hanging in his office, where

491
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Speaker 4: everybody get.

492
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Speaker 5: Congrats him, great career, so proud of you whatever. Dad.

493
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Speaker 4: He quoted a movie from a line from Searching for

494
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Speaker 4: Bobby Fisher, which is not the line anybody would have

495
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Speaker 4: quoted from.

496
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Speaker 2: It, right, that's how much it's where.

497
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: It's where Joan.

498
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: Allen says, he's not weak, he's decent and if you

499
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: or God darn it, I gotta remember you are.

500
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Speaker 3: I can't believe I can't remember the name of you.

501
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 3: Got you got?

502
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: He said. If you try to beat that out him,

503
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: I'll take him away. I swear to God. It was

504
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: one of the most powerful scenes in the entire movie.

505
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Speaker 2: I can't Dad, and Joan Allen was the mother and

506
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: he played God who played Gandhi, who played Gandhi help me.

507
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: Ben kings Kingsley played the coach.

508
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: Right, I thought, right, I thought, you're I thought there

509
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: was a character in the movie name down. He was

510
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: like like, oh, I got a Tom sever story in Gandhi. Yeah,

511
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 3: talent please, I'll hold on tell it now, all right.

512
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 3: So this is like my my claim to fame as

513
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: a kid. So when I was a kid, you know,

514
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: I've already mentioned Sever My dad wrote that book together,

515
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: and they were friendly and we were we both fam

516
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 3: Our family lived in the town of Greenwich, Connecticut, and

517
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: Tom lived in Greenwich, Connecticut. And one day my dad

518
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: came home with a cat, a Persian cat, no, I'm sorry,

519
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 3: Himalayan cat, which are like, you know, Persians and Siamese mixed, right,

520
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: I think and uh. And it was like, well, what

521
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: are we gonna name the cat? And like, you know,

522
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 3: I guess he thought, you know, Gandhi and the Himalaya

523
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: is India. It's all vaguely connected. So the cat was Gandhi,

524
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: but we called him gandhy to make any sense. But

525
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: that was our cat, the cat I grew up with,

526
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 3: you know, for like fourteen years. But this is the

527
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 3: sever the brother. He took home two cats. One went

528
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: to us and one went to Tom. And Tom named

529
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Speaker 3: his Fergie after mister Jenkins, to whom he had just

530
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: finished second for the nineteen seventy two Cy Young Award. Really,

531
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: so as a tribute to Jenkins, he named his cat Fergie.

532
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: And so we had brothers, you know, as I was

533
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 3: growing up. And then I remember sever more than once,

534
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: as I recall when he was with the Reds, you know.

535
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 3: So now at this point, Fergie's a few years old.

536
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: He would bring Fergie to spring training Andandy never went

537
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: to a spring training. He stayed home. He'd bring Fergie's

538
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: spring training, and he'd always run away, and so like

539
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: he'd missed a start trying to find his cat, Fergie

540
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: somewhere near where was it Plant City where the Reds.

541
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: I remember, like, oh, you know, my poor cat stuck

542
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: in an apartment in New York's City. We moved back

543
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: to New York. And now you know, Fergie, his brother,

544
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: his twin brother, is out there exploring the wilds of Florida.

545
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: That's my other end.

546
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: So the Gandhi story for me is that Steve Rush,

547
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: of the world's funniest, greatest writer ever, he wrote about

548
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: a guy that he played golf with. He said, this

549
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: guy hit it as long and he's hit it as

550
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: long and as true as the movie Gandhi. That's how

551
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: he explained this guy off the tee as long and

552
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: as true as the movie Ghanhi. I love that, all right, Jeremy,

553
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: we got to go back to Jim Abbott. I'm sorry

554
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: we got sidetracked by everything else.

555
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: He made us.

556
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: Cry at the end of that interview when we asked

557
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: him what does he say to an eight year old

558
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: who comes to him and is missing his left hand

559
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: his right hand, and he made.

560
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: He literally made talking about another Micha.

561
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: It was incredible.

562
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: So tell me about a moment that you had with

563
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: Jim Abbott that you did nazi coming, that you had

564
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: to pull yourself together in order to get through it.

565
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: So you know, during the interviews, I'm not sure we

566
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: had a moment like that where it it it hit

567
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: me in that way, you know, where I just couldn't

568
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: go on. I mean, there was a lot of emotion,

569
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: but I knew Jim's story really well, and he's you know,

570
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: he's he's great at communicating it, and he's very self

571
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 3: deprecating what really did hit me? And so, you know,

572
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: in the process of rolling out the film, we did

573
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: a film festival, and we did a number of premieres,

574
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: and every single time I would just start bawling, you know,

575
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: like in public, like I'm watching the film and I'm

576
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: just it would be a different moment each time. It

577
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't be the same time. Like the first time I

578
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: remember where in New York at this screening and you know,

579
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 3: there's a big crowd there and it's the first time

580
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: I'm seeing the final cut, and it's the first time

581
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: Jim seeing it at all, and where there was Shakim

582
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: Griffin and Mike's there, obviously Farrell and Jim's family. And

583
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: when he tells the story of his teacher who taught

584
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: him how to tie his shoelaces, who, you know, you

585
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: think about. You know, this is in nineteen seventy two

586
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: in Flint, Michigan, right, and one of his teachers has

587
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: taken the time and he tells the story right so

588
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: beautifully to figure out because one of the you know

589
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: things that you know, increased his sense of isolation. Was

590
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: he couldn't tie his own shoelaces with one hand, and

591
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: his parents would have to triple, not them, and all this,

592
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: and inevitably they'd still come undone and it would be embarrassing.

593
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: And he didn't need that. And one of his teachers

594
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: went home one night and he basically put his hand

595
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: one hand and I don't know which one, in a

596
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: fist and spent however much time it took to figure

597
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: out using his hand the way that Jim could use

598
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: could only use his right hand to tie shoes. And

599
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: there's something about that story, right, And then he comes

600
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: in he teaches, I'm well, and I'm thinking about it now,

601
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: you know it just and then there's the whole sequence

602
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: at the end, with all of those kids he's connected with,

603
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: and people who are once kids who are now adults,

604
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: whose lives he changed, whose you know, horizons he expanded. However,

605
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: you know, I don't put it as well as Jim,

606
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: whatever he did, But every time I'm just sitting there

607
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: like a puddle, and I'm like, this is embarrassing, and

608
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: I'm not known as a crier, and it gets the

609
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: those stories get me every time.

610
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Speaker 5: It's incredible.

611
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: It's the other people in their lives that that made

612
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: the big difference. It's not always mom, it's not always dad.

613
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's a coach, sometimes it's a teacher. And I

614
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 4: think it's just so incredible, and hearing that story just

615
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: chills all across the board.

616
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: Well, Jeremy, I'm gonna repeat, but when I saw Jim

617
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: in spring training last March, I just love this. I

618
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: saw him and I just casually said, Jim, tell me

619
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: about that triple you hit in spring training.

620
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: He just looked at me, his eyes got this big,

621
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: and he goes Rick Russell sinker down like he remembered it,

622
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: and he was.

623
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Speaker 2: I just thought that was so human of him. But

624
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: of course everything is so human about him.

625
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: All right, switching gears completely.

626
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: Here, Jeremy, you went to see the Savannah Bananas with

627
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: your daughter.

628
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: At Yankee Stadium. Please explain all of that.

629
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Speaker 3: Hey, So you know I have a friend Andrew Levy, who,

630
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: uh you know, he has this business where he like

631
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: arranged his appearances for mostly Yankee and stuff like that.

632
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: And his business sent out an email saying Savannah Bananas,

633
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: you know, tickets something like that. So I said to

634
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: my ten year old daughter, Annabelle. I said, Annabelle, you

635
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: have any interest you want to go to Yankee Stay

636
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: because she's always bugging me that I haven't taken her

637
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: to enough baseball games. And she's got a point, and

638
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: I say, do you want to go to a Savannah

639
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: Bananas game? Like thinking like she has no idea. She's like,

640
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 3: oh my god, the Savannah. It was like saying the

641
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: Beatles to like I came a girl in nineteen sixty three, right, Like,

642
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: I had no idea. She was aware of their existence,

643
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: and she was so excited. So we went. We took her,

644
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: We took a couple of her friends. And I mean,

645
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: I get to Yankee Stadium, I get there three hours

646
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: before first pitch and I walk out of the parking

647
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: lot and it's like the fourth of July. I mean,

648
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 3: I'm talking outside the stadium. I'm talking those ball fields.

649
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: I was not prepared for this. I had read the

650
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: website and all that it was like Marty Gras without

651
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 3: the Hurricanes. It was like it was Kingos. And then

652
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 3: the last time I had been at the stadium, I

653
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: hadn't been there this season was for the World Series,

654
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: and this was wilder. I mean, the you know, nothing

655
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: against the World Series. I love a good World Series.

656
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: The energy at this thing. It was sold out, every

657
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: seat was filled, everybody was into it. You know, the

658
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: music never stops. I was especially enthusiastic because I'd been

659
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: told that once you know, the first pitch is thrown,

660
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: you were on the clock, it's two hours. That was

661
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: not the case. Were extra never let We still got

662
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: out of there at like nine to twenty, and it

663
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 3: was you know, it was. It did remind me, I think,

664
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: you know, other people said obviously like when I was

665
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 3: a kid, I went to globe Trotter's games. I took

666
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: my son to a Globetrotter's game a couple years ago.

667
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: But this energy, with what is it sixty thousand plus

668
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: at the new Stadium, it was insane. And the enthusiasm,

669
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: the excitement, the kids were into it. You know, I

670
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: had no idea what was going on. I was trying

671
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: to listen to like twelve different rules and stuff. I mean,

672
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: I might as well have been in a cricket match,

673
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: but I don't know how that guy in the stilts

674
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: Fines home fleet.

675
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: I got no idea, but it was awesome Jeremy had,

676
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: we had Jesse Cole on and I want you to

677
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: explain about right, how do you explain the popularity of

678
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: the Savannah bananas.

679
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: In the country now?

680
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: What does it say about our country and the sports

681
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: and the entertainment that we like.

682
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think it says, you know that

683
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: we're in a different place than when we were kids,

684
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: the three of us through different eras, right, and I

685
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: think you know, we are in an era now where

686
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: I'm not sure kids have the same patience to sit

687
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: there and watch a traditional game.

688
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: Some do.

689
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: Of course there is enthusiasm, but you know it goes

690
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: beyond that. It's it's not like if you like the

691
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: Harlem Globetrotters, you don't like the NBA. Right, They've just

692
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: they've tapped into something and I don't know how they've

693
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 3: done it. Like I was thinking this to myself, you

694
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: will probably think of this. I know you've talked about

695
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: them a lot. When you were talking to Cole Like

696
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: if he'd come to me ten years ago, what was

697
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: he running the team in Greenville or something like that,

698
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: and said, I've got an idea, get this, We're gonna

699
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 3: do Like you know, a Max packin kind of thing,

700
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: you know, for the modern day, you know, like a

701
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 3: barnstorming House of David kind of thing where there, you know,

702
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: there's all kinds of carnival. It's a carnival atmosphere. With baseball,

703
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: I would have said good luck, right, and I would

704
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: have been and that's that's representative of my business acumen.

705
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: But they they have. Really I think it says that we,

706
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 3: you know, we're looking for ways to come together as communities.

707
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: We're looking for ways to have fun, you know, and

708
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: and you know, there's there's a lot in the world

709
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: right now that's not fun, and these guys it is.

710
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: It's pure fun. You know, it's not about These are

711
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 3: the rules that were etched in stone, you know, by

712
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: Alexander krt Right one hundred and seventy years ago. As

713
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: much as I respect those rules and and as as

714
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: much antipathy as I have for the Ghost Runner as

715
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: you guys, this is this is a fun brand of

716
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: a game that resembles baseball.

717
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree, And you know, honestly, I went

718
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 4: to the Phillies World Series game too. One game and

719
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 4: my poor wife, God bless her, to bring this up briefly,

720
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 4: we went to the no hitter game. And my wife

721
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 4: has been to probably twenty baseball games that are like

722
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: maybe and and eighteen of them were with me in

723
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 4: the time we've been together.

724
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: Hit her and she saw no hitter.

725
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 4: So apologies, but to the same Then at Citizens Bank Park,

726
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: we saw the bananas and it was just an unbelievable

727
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 4: amount of energy. And that's why I said we had

728
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: to get Jesse Cole on this podcast. Now, Jeremy, I

729
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: I hate to this is typical of our podcast.

730
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: Right.

731
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 5: We bounced around a little bit, you know.

732
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Speaker 3: The merch was, you know, the little all that, like

733
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: I've never seen so many yellow jerseys in my life, Like,

734
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: oh my god, I can't imagine how. I mean, they're

735
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: selling out Yankees. You can't get in there. And what

736
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: did like the first round of the playoffs wherever they

737
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: end up, right, you're they're not going to sell out

738
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: that place.

739
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 4: And one buddy who came with us for that game

740
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 4: is now the world's biggest Party Animals fan because he

741
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 4: bought all of the visiting team gear. He was like,

742
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 4: too many people were wearing yellow. Someone needs to root

743
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 4: for the Party Animals.

744
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: The firefighters. I don't I don't throw around these accusations lightly,

745
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: you know that, Tim, But I think they got cheated

746
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: at the end of that game. I don't understand how

747
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: they ended up losing that game. They had like a

748
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: three run lead with two outs in the night. Next thing,

749
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: I know, like some guys running the other way around

750
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: the bases and then there's nobody, like some guy from

751
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: the Bananas hits it into outfield. There's nobody in the outfield,

752
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: and they beat the firefighters. If I were the firefighters,

753
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: I'd have some issues with that.

754
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was rigged. All right, Jeremy.

755
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: We should finish on a funny note, but I want

756
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: to finish on an important note, and you need to

757
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: help me with this.

758
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: You started you are Look, just let me say this.

759
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: You're the best journalist we have at ESPN, and after

760
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: your father, you are the best interviewer I have ever seen.

761
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: But you started your career help me here on the

762
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: other side of the camera. Would you explain that and

763
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 2: what that did to help you get on this side

764
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: of the camera.

765
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was it was very simple. I

766
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 3: mean I was I was young, I was twenty three,

767
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: and fortunately, you know, my father had a lot of

768
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: Entree and a lot of friends at ESPN, and I

769
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: went up there for a job interview. I'd been working

770
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: in local television in New York. I spent one year

771
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: working at your old company tim at Time as it

772
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: was then known Time Life, and I was working on

773
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: these special projects for the nineteen ninety two Olympics. Technically

774
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: I was a Sports Illustrated employee, but I had nothing

775
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: to do with Sports Illustrated other than the fact that

776
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 3: I would sneak into the library what was it on

777
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: the sixth floor, just like rummage through all those great

778
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: old books in the files. And then I went to

779
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: work in this for a local TV station New York.

780
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: And then you know, I went up to ESPN for

781
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: an interview and they, you know, offered me an opportunity

782
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: to start doing some freelance producing and that became full

783
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: time after a few months. And and you know, it

784
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: was a totally different kind of ESPN. I mean, everything's different, right,

785
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: This was thirty plus years ago. And you know, when

786
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 3: you were a bureau producer, which is what I was

787
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: in New York for two years, you covered everything. You

788
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: covered the NFL, you covered baseball, you covered soccer, you

789
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: covered basketball, you covered the final four, you got to go.

790
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people now are mostly siloed

791
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: in their sport. You know, everybody's kind of a specialist.

792
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: But back then, you got to do everything. And they

793
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: hired me as a producer. I had made it clear

794
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: that I wanted to be on air, and they said, okay, you'll,

795
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: you know, settle down, you'll get a shot, you know,

796
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: do the let's see if you can, if you can

797
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: do this job. And doing that job for a couple

798
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: of years, I got to work with some of the

799
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: best people in the business. I mean, I got to

800
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 3: work with the reporters. I worked with Jimmy Roberts and

801
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: Mark Schwartz and Steve Cipher's and Andrea Kramer and David

802
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: Aldridge and Peter Gammon's and you know, and I got

803
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: to see them doing there. I'd see my dad do

804
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: the job all those years, up close, but seeing other

805
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 3: people do it, pressure situations, everybody watching SportsCenter, you know,

806
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: you know, covering trials, covering games, covered Don King's federal

807
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: trial for seven weeks with Jimmy Roberts, and then after

808
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: a couple of years, I mean basically what happened was

809
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: I got a couple of on air chances at ESPN.

810
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: They were not very impressed with me, and I got

811
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: an offer to go work. We would have worked together

812
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: at CNNSI and I thought I was gonna take it,

813
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: and then they said. Vince Douria, who was my boss

814
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: and my mentor, said all right, do another audition tape,

815
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: like you could probably do better. And I did one

816
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: with Willie at Wimbledon, and then, you know, a lot

817
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 3: of these things come down of timing and luck. Pam Oliver,

818
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 3: who was our reporter based in Texas at the time,

819
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: which essentially met covering the Cowboys, left for Fox. So

820
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: she goes to Fox in the summer ninety six and

821
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 3: now there is no one to go to Valley Ranch

822
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: every day and talked to Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin

823
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 3: and Emmett Smith and that whole cast of characters Barry

824
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: Switzer at the time. So Vince calls me. I was

825
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: working for NBC at the Olympics in Atlanta. He says,

826
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: I think we got something for you. I'm like what

827
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 3: he said, how do you feel about moving to Dallas.

828
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'll move anywhere wherever you want me to move.

829
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: Never lived outside in New York. And he said, all right,

830
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: you're going to Dallas. And I went to Dallas and.

831
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: They haven't been able to get rid of me since Jeremy.

832
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: My first day in Dallas was in January. January of

833
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two, I walked.

834
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: Did he still have the wait? Did you get the

835
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 3: tip for being the paper boy? Or that came.

836
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: Soon after?

837
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 2: So I'm a Maryland guy. I'm not a New York guy,

838
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: but I'm a Maryland guy. And Jeff I go all

839
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: the way to Texas and I'm scared to death because

840
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: I've never been basically outside of Maryland. I go to

841
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: work at the Dallas Morning News. I walk in the

842
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: office the first day Steve Smith at Dave Smith was

843
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: the sports editor who was my sports editor in Washington.

844
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: But I walk in and I'm like twelve years old.

845
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: I'm three feet tall. It's embarrassing. Harlest Wade, what a

846
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 2: great name for an old Texas sports trader. He looks

847
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: at me and he says he never met him. I've

848
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: met anybody yet.

849
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: And he looks at me. He goes, you must be

850
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: the new guy.

851
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: And I said, yes, I am, and he goes, you

852
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: are the smallest Yankee I've ever seen in my life.

853
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: That's what he said to me on my first day

854
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 2: after Dallas. Monny News basically my first day in Texas.

855
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: Ripped me for being tiny. Agreed, and then he called

856
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: me a Yankee. It was yeah, so you had similar.

857
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: And you're from a board of state. I'm a Yankee.

858
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 5: We're the Mason Dixon line over here, Jeremy.

859
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: New York to Dallas was not an easy adjustment, although

860
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 2: I learned to love living in Dallas.

861
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: Let's be clear about this. I loved living there, but

862
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: it took a little while.

863
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: Smallest yeah, I've ever seen.

864
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: I wanted.

865
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 3: It was a great experience for me. I was there

866
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: for less than two years when Jim Cohen, another of

867
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 3: you know, the old time ESPN bosses, called me after

868
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: about two years and said, hey, how do you feel

869
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: about coming back to New York? Because I think I

870
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: was at the airport before I hung up the phone.

871
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: And I don't get it wrong, I like Dallas, I

872
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: really did, but I was never there. I was I

873
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 3: was probably on the road two hundred days a year

874
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: at that point, and and I was like, God, it's hot.

875
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: It was really hot, and and it was it was

876
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: a lot of cowboys stuff, which was great. I was

877
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 3: on the air every day, you know, but it was

878
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 3: like it was you know, that was after they'd won

879
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: the third Super Bowl in four seasons, and then it

880
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: kind of went like that and it was just controversy

881
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: after controversy, which again, it was great experience as a reporter,

882
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: but I was eager to get back to the Northeast.

883
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 3: I was my first night in Dallas. So this is

884
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: this is a funny story. So I didn't know a soul.

885
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: I didn't know a single person in the state. And

886
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: I went to a party my a friend of mine

887
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: in New York. My girlfriend in New York, actually she

888
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 3: was from Texas, and she said, go to my friend's house.

889
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: He always has a bunch of people over and he

890
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: was this, you know man about town in Dallas. Heyway,

891
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: There's a guy at the party that night, probably like

892
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: twenty people, and he's a very talkative guy, and he's

893
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: a big sports saying he's asked me about what I'm doing,

894
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. He's telling me about his company blah

895
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 3: blah blah. And this guy's girlfriend work for him. Anyway,

896
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: long story short, I go to have lunch with him

897
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: next week. He shows me what his business is again

898
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: an example my business acumen. He shows me exactly what

899
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 3: he's doing. I say, oh, he said it was about

900
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: putting the Internet on radio. And I'm like, and he

901
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 3: showed you. Where'd you go to college? I said Cornell?

902
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: He said, oh, you could listen to Cornell hockey games

903
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: with the radio. Now I'm thinking, like, why would I

904
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 3: do that? Like, this's just like somebody wouldn't occur to me,

905
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 3: you know, as much as I'm a fan. Well, it

906
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: was Mark Cuban, amazing, and he sold his business about

907
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: six months later for two point two billion dollars.

908
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 5: And you could have gotten in for about one hundred bucks.

909
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 3: I think. So I'd read like one column a week

910
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 3: two point two billion dollars audio. It was audioneck dot

911
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: com and came Broadcast dot com. And my friend's girlfriend

912
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: worked for Mark. I thought, you got a check for

913
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: sixteen million. I saw Mark years later. I said, is

914
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: it true that April got sixteen million? He said twenty five?

915
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: And she would I think she was working for like minimum.

916
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 2: Wait, so, Jeff, we finally found something that Jeremy isn't

917
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: great at he is business acumen.

918
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: He had lunch with Mark Cuban, and he had no

919
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: idea where it was. I would have been in the

920
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: same boat. I wouldn't have done. I would have done

921
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: exactly what Jeremy did. Oh boy, oh my god.

922
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 2: H Jeremy, We've taken almost an hour with you. Thank

923
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: you so much for putting up with us. It was

924
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: so much fun. We laughed and we learned as we

925
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: always did. And now I gotta go look at my

926
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: wallet and see how my bills are lined up.

927
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: Because I feel so inferior. After Jeby, I feel.

928
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: So good in Boston. It's not hard ella San Francisco.

929
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 3: Those are all out of circulation.

930
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: You know, see Philadelphia.

931
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: All my knowledge is not only useless but obsolete. Like

932
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: like me, like me,