1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: After our last show and wide media coverage, the Bishop 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: of Charlotte North Carolina is slowing limitations to the traditional 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: at Mass, but other dioceses are pressing forward. We'll tell 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: you which ones and what will Pope Leo the fourteenth 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: do on this edition of The Prayerful Posse. Thanks welcome 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: to this Arroyo Grande series, The Prayerful Posse, where we 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: dive into matters of faith and its impact on culture. 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: I want to convene the Posse joining me now, Father 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Gerald Murray, canon lawyer from the Archdiocese of New York, 10 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: and I'm Raymond Arroyo. 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: Bob is out traversing the planes, Father, but it will 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 2: be back next week. 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: Go subscribe to the Arroyo Grande podcast on iHeart, Apple, 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: Spotify or on YouTube at Arroyo Grande Show so you 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: don't miss an episode of the Posse. 16 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: Father, I want to get to the biggest story of 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: the week. 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: We spent last week's episode exposing those newly an ounst 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: policies of Bishop Michael Martin to stamp out the traditional 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: Latin Mass in all but one chapel in his Charlotte 21 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: North Carolina diocese. He claimed he was doing it to 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: promote the concord and unity of the church. Well well, well, 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: after a ferocious backlash both inside and outside the Charlotte Diocese, 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: bishop Martin is slowing his role. He's still planning on 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: killing the Mass in four parishes and allowing it in 26 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: that new chapel, but instead of July eighth, the changes 27 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: will occur now on October second. Bishop Martin says this 28 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: will allow the faithful and clergy to quote absorb the changes. 29 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: Your reaction, father, I mean, he's still killing the mass. 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: If he doesn't change in October. So I mean, he 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 3: was pretty sad on changing it now in July, and 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 3: we are now in June. So this was basically a 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: matter of a few weeks away, four weeks or so. No, 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: I think this is very wise decision on his part. Sure, 35 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: he never expected the level of upsetness that this would create, 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: and then beyond the borders, so to speak. So yeah, 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: I'm very pleased he made this decision because, as he 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 3: said in his communication, if Pope Leo makes another decision, 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: any other decision regarding the Mass, then they'll abide by that. 40 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: So that's that's a very wise decision. In fact, that 41 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: would have been the wisdom, don't do anything until Pope 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 3: Leo makes some provision, because we all know this is 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 3: one of the top agenda items that's sitting on his desk, 44 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: what to do about Latin mess Yeah. 45 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: Well, we talked about this last week when Pope Francis 46 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: died and this was still a source of such controversy. 47 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: Why do anything until you get new guidance from the 48 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: new man in charge. But visa via the Pope, Pope 49 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: Leo met with Cardinal Roche, who's the head of the 50 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: Vatican's Liturgy Office, very early in the week. Did that 51 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: have any effect, do you think or might it have? 52 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: You know, it's possible that the Pope has been briefed 53 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: on the situation in Charlotte and may have asked Cardinal 54 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: Rose to, you know, put a little bit of space 55 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: in between you know, the document from Bishop Martin and 56 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: what's going to happen eventually. And if that's the case, 57 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: that's all to the good. We don't know that, so 58 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: that's speculation, but it's a nice thing that the Bishop 59 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 3: Martin has decided that it's in the interest of everyone 60 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 3: that nothing happened at the moment. 61 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Bishop Martin and a lot of these bishops 62 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: mean to conform to Pope Francis's legislation Tradisionis Custodis, which 63 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: demanded the stamping out of the ancient Latin. Right before 64 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: we go further, Father, after last week's show, I had 65 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people asking us, who cares what language 66 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: the Mass is in? If it's Latin or Spanish or English, 67 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: the Mass is the Mass, But actually this traditional Latin 68 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Mass is the ancient Roman, right, it's a different version 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: of the Mass. Explain how it's more than language at 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: issue here. 71 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Latin is kind of like the tag you put 72 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: on it, because all the Masses were in Latin, no 73 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: matter what country you lived in. And then after Vatican 74 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: Two the vernacular was introduced, so now we have the 75 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: new Mass in English and French and Spanish, et cetera. 76 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 3: The ritual is different in the sense that the forms 77 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 3: of the prayers were changed. Some prayers were excised from 78 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: the new Mass. A series of new eucharistic prayers, for instance, 79 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: were added to the new Missile which weren't in the old. 80 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: Prayers at the foot of the altar were done away with, 81 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: except for the confedio or, which was modified that's the 82 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: confession of sin beginning of Mass to ask pardon. The 83 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 3: offeratory prayers were changed, other rituals were changed. We used 84 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: to say Lord, I am not worthy three times, now 85 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: we say it once. The kiria used to be nine 86 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 3: kirie kyrie kirrie christe eleis on, etc. So there were 87 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: changes which you know, were basically it was like a 88 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: slim down version of the old Mass with some new additions. 89 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 3: And it didn't really meet the expectations I think of 90 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 3: a lot of people, and you know, the dissatisfaction that 91 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: exists has not gone away over time. And I jopp 92 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 3: All the second and Benedict recognized it and then they 93 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: made accommodations. 94 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 95 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: Well, and now, as you mentioned earlier, Bishop Martin has 96 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: said in Charlotte, he will change his policy depending on 97 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: whether the Vatican comes forward and offers an amendment to 98 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: put Francis's letter Apostolic letter on this issue. Do you 99 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: expect Pope Leo to amend that Apostolic letter? Cardinal Guhl 100 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: of Singapore was quoted in a recent interview with saying 101 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: that why are you barring people from going to the 102 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: traditional Latin Mass? 103 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: You know, I do expect they'll be this issue will 104 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 3: be addressed because it's one of the hot button issues 105 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: that you know dog the last years of the pontificate 106 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 3: of Pope Francis. You know, people could not understand, as 107 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: we've discussed on this, uh these airwaves, how is it 108 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: that a group of people going to church on Sunday 109 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: the next week are said, you can't come in here anymore? 110 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: Before I ask you want is no longer celebrate? No, 111 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: we have empty churches? Why would you empty them out? 112 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: Even further so, I mean it doesn't make from a 113 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 3: pastoral point of view, why would you, you know, put 114 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 3: a stop sign in front of people who want to 115 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: come and worship. Now, the issues about liturgical order and 116 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: unity in the church, that's something that Benedict and Pope 117 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: John Paul the Second addressed and have thought about. And 118 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 3: then the experience with their accommodations to the old mask 119 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 3: crowd was very well received. You know, I think you 120 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: said once on this on this program. You know, one 121 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: week you go to the old Mass, the next week 122 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: you go to the New Mass, and there's no problem. 123 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: You just say this week I do this, next week 124 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 3: I do that. I think that's the kind of approach 125 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: we need. 126 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's you know, as we mentioned last week, 127 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: I almost think of it as music. You don't pro 128 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: opera or never go to an opera because you listen 129 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: to jazz. Now, the fact is there are times when 130 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: you want opera and there's something beautiful there. But in 131 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: the sense of the Mass, it's much more than music. 132 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: This is worship of God and the ancient worship of God. 133 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: And I think young people are coming for just that. Father, 134 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: You see them in your parish and in your diocese. 135 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: But look less people think that Charlotte, North Carolina is 136 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: the only place where the Latin Mass is being stamped out. 137 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: If you believe that, you're wrong. 138 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: There are other places, like the Archdiocese of Detroit, where 139 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: the new Archbishop Edward Weisenberger has announced on July first, 140 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: the extraordinary form of the Mass will not be allowed 141 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: in any parish churches. Father, he says, the Vatican has 142 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: sole authority to grant parish's permission to celebrate this traditional Mass, 143 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: but it is allowed in other dioceses. What do you 144 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: make of this demand by Pope Francis that Rome be 145 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: the sole arbiter, the only party able to grant permission 146 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: to celebrate this mass. 147 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, this was one of the provisions of traditional 148 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: custodias that was most irksome because it's said the old 149 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: the traditional Latin Mass can be celebrated in places, but 150 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: not in parish churches. And you say to yourself, what 151 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: sense does that make. If it can still be celebrated, 152 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: why would you restrict it from the place where people 153 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: actually go to Mass on a regular basis. The idea 154 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: essentially was it was sort of like, you know, Death 155 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: by a thousand cuts. You know, well, well, first we'll 156 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 3: get it out of parishes, then we'll put it in chapels, 157 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 3: and then we'll restrict how many you can have, and 158 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: then people lose interest, which is you know, for me, 159 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: that was a pastially irresponsible approach. And the fact of 160 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: the matter is when the Vatican issued that the document 161 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: saying that only it couldn't happen in parish churches, bishops 162 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: could then write to Vatican say I'd like an exemption 163 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 3: for that. It's called a dispensation in law, and if 164 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: it has been granted, Because of course, local bishops turned 165 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: to Romans in the Wait a minute, is this the 166 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: kind of centralization that's going to promote harmony in the church, 167 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: where people in Rome make decisions about where people can 168 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: go to Mass, the local bishops knows more. In fact, 169 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: that's one of the things you know, we're talking about 170 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: Vatican two. Yeah, the great aspects of Vatican Two was 171 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 3: returning responsibility to diocesan bishops for the ordinary pastoral care 172 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: of they're faithful. So this was undue centralization, but it 173 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: was in pursuit of a goal, because you're right, Pope 174 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 3: Francis wanted to stamp out the old Mass. He didn't 175 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 3: want to do it immediately. And you know, now that 176 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: he's gone to the Lord, it's up to the next 177 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: pope to say that was a laudable goal, We're going 178 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 3: to continue to stamp it out, or he's going to say, no, 179 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: that was a mistaken approach. We're going to go back 180 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: to what Benedict had arranged a nice accommodation. 181 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: Well, in the Diocese of Jefferson City, the former bishop 182 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: there got just what you mentioned, a dispensation to allow 183 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: the Latin Mass at want one one parish church. At 184 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: the end of June, Father, that extension will end and 185 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: there will be no Latin Mass in Jefferson City. Now, 186 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: why is this such a controversy. 187 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it's an. 188 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: Ancient mass, it's the foundation of the new Mass. Why 189 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't you want people to see it or at least 190 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: make the connection that this came from that. 191 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: Why would you want to deny that to people? 192 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: Well, you know, there are a lot of speculation on this. 193 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 3: We know that Post Francis asserted multiple times that people 194 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: who like to go to the Old Mass basically have 195 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: an emotional problem, that they're attached to externalities and ancient 196 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: things and they're looking for security blankets. Essentially, for me, 197 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 3: that was a caricature and basically a false narrative. It's 198 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: not the reality, and I've seen that on the ground. 199 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 3: There was another the liturgical school promoting this, which is 200 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: associated with Sanencelmo and Rome. They're basically saying no turgical 201 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 3: movement meant we walked away from that past expression, we're 202 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 3: not going back. So they put it in terms of 203 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: like a Hegelian progress thing. Things only get better over 204 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: time and we have to kind of go along with 205 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 3: where things are going. And the answer to that is no. 206 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 3: Wait a minute. One of the goals that the Segrament 207 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: accounts was resourcement, meaning going back to the ancient fonts 208 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: of Christian teaching and gaining a new appreciation well liturgically. 209 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: So many things that were introduced into the New Mass 210 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: were innovations. They weren't getting back to ancient custom. The 211 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: three eucharistic prayers, these were his or innovations. Now one 212 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: of them is based on an ancient form, but it's 213 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: certainly not the ancient form. It was modified and reduced. 214 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: So with all these details, I can basically say Poet 215 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 3: Francis's lack of sympathy for people who go to the 216 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: Latin Mass I think overshadowed his pastoral judgment, which is 217 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: to say, why in the world would I tell people 218 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: I don't want you going to your parish church on 219 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: Sunday because you don't like to go to the New Mass. 220 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: You like you the old Mess. I'm glad they want 221 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: to go to Mass. 222 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: Right, who cares? 223 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: I mean, assuming that these are illicit and valid versions 224 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: of the Mass, which no one has ever contended that 225 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: they weren't, this is a problem. Doesn't Pope Leo Father 226 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: have to address this? I mean, there's a fundamental disagreement 227 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: here between the two previous popes, Benedict and Francis Benedict 228 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: said this was what was true and holy in the past, 229 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: remains true and holy today. Francis comes along and he says, no, 230 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,599 Speaker 1: the traditional right is a form of rebellion against the 231 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: Second Vatican Counsul. 232 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 2: It needs to be stamped out. 233 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: Didn't this set up a competition between the two rights 234 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: rather than a harmony? 235 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: It did? It did, and it basically imputed motives to 236 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: people who like the Old Mass that they are that 237 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 3: they don't accept Vatican two. No, I don't think that's 238 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: the case. There may be a few. But then the 239 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: questions were, what don't they accept That's a long debate. 240 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: We're not going to get into that. The vast majority 241 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: of people just want to go to a reverent Mass, right, So, 242 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: and that's and then yeah, the idea, by the way, 243 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 3: if you accept the premise people with emotional problems go 244 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: to the Old Mass, which I don't accept. No, Well, 245 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: what response to a person with an emotional difficulty is 246 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 3: to say, we're punishing you. No more candy, no more, 247 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: no more ice cream. 248 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: Go to the firehouse on Sunday. 249 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to go somewhere. I mean, we basically 250 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 3: say to people, let's get to the root of the 251 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: issue here, Why is it that you like the Old Mass? 252 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: You know, one of the nice things about Pope Leo, 253 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: and everybody was saying it and the lead up to 254 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 3: his installation was he's a good listener. He's a good listener. 255 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: So I think, you know he's he lives in the 256 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 3: Anglo sphere, meaning he's aware of what's being discussed in 257 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 3: English language media. And if there's one topic that crosses 258 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: the Atlantic pretty quickly, it's what do you do with 259 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: the Pope Francis suppression of the Old Mass? 260 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is definitely a hot topic, and I 261 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: know he's aware of it. I want to hit some 262 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: other areas where Pope Leo made news this week. It 263 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: was widely reported that Leo had corrected that's the way 264 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: it was depicted. Corrected Pope Francis this week who intimated 265 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: in a couple of gatherings that couples living together in fidelity, 266 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: just living together, that that was like a marriage. And 267 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: Pope Leo said this week at the Family Jubilee quote, 268 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: perhaps many young people today who choose cohabitation instead of 269 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: Christian marriage in reality needs someone to show them in 270 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: a concrete and clear way, especially by the example of 271 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: their lives, what the gift of sacramental grace is and 272 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: what strength derives from it. Someone to help them understand 273 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: the beauty and grandeur of the vocation to love and 274 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: the service of life that God gives to married couples. 275 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: And that's a quote from John Paul. The second from 276 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: familiaris consortio, and then he goes on marriage is not 277 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: an ideal, but the canon of true love between a 278 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: man and a woman, total faithful love. Your thoughts father 279 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: at this jime. 280 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: No beautiful thoughts, a beautiful teaching from Pope Leo. It's 281 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 3: precisely the kind of thing that we need. We we 282 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: live in a world where cohabitation for marriage for Catholics 283 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: is now basically the universal practice in the United States. 284 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean every single couple, but I've been a priest. 285 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: When I was a priest or or dain forty years ago, 286 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: it was the rarity for a couple to live together. Yeah, 287 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 3: now I basically expected. And most people when you ask them, 288 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: what's the where do you live with your dress? You 289 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: know the same as that, And most people don't realize 290 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: that it's wrong, because you know, they understand that the 291 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: Church doesn't accept it. But there's the social stigma attached 292 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 3: to living before marriage is gone in the United States, 293 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: and sad to say, in the Catholic Church we followed suit. 294 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: So Leo's making a great reminder and that's very encouraging, 295 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: you know. And marriage is not an ideal. In other words, 296 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: observing the law of God is not an ideal because 297 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: we say, you know, in an ideal world, you know, uh, 298 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: my favorite baseball player with bat five hundred. You know, well, 299 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 3: of course, in an ideal world. Yeah, but guess what, 300 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: no one expects him to hit five hundred. But I 301 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: don't say in an ideal world, married couples remain faithful 302 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: for life. No, we say, marriage by nature is for life, right, 303 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: and therefore you conform to nature if you want to 304 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: cooperate with God's plan and. 305 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: It's a lived reality. It's to be lived, not to 306 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: be imagined. And I think that's what he's saying there. 307 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: And we during the last Pontifica, we heard a lot 308 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: about dreaming and imagining and dreaming, and I think Pope Leo. 309 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: Is very practical here. What do you make of all 310 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: these dating apps? Father? 311 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you look, I imagine you deal with marriage 312 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: prep every week with young people in your parish. Has 313 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: the technology made things harder for them to find that 314 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: mate that they can spend the rest of their lives 315 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: with and be married to. 316 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm up two minds on dating apps. 317 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: You know, here's someone who's a peer for the last 318 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: twelve years on YouTube on a regular basis. So I'm 319 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: not going to criticize the internet. Because the internet allowed 320 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 3: more people to hear sermons and listen to your discussions 321 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 3: of news and the church. This has goal to the good. 322 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: So dating apps are you know, kind of like you know, 323 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: if father knew how she talked about the naked public square. 324 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: This isn't a naked public square unless you go to 325 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 3: the wrong dating apps. You know, this isn't dating apps 326 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 3: that are decent and responsible and had protections. Those are 327 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: good and I do not criticize them. So the sad 328 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 3: part is that we live in a world because of 329 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: various factors, where people don't ing commingle in common spaces 330 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 3: the way they used to. I mean, one of the 331 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 3: nice things about New Orleans is that the architecture teaches 332 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: you how people lived. In other words, the narrow streets, 333 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: the houses all together. The cathedral has a plaza because 334 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 3: you got a space in front of the church where 335 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: people can mean, that's how people used to live. Now 336 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 3: you live in an apartment building, your car is parked 337 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: in an underground space. You get in your car, you 338 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: drive to work, you don't see anybody. Yeah, so there 339 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: alternate ways. So I would say some of those dating 340 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: apps horrible. I'd stay away from them. They're basically promoting 341 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: fornication and adultery. But decent, good ones and they're out 342 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: there allow people to get to know each other, so 343 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: that's good. 344 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to move on to a Netherlands. Cardinal 345 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: William Aiku is a medical doctor. We talked about him 346 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: during the conclave. Those who watch regularly will remember he's 347 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: calling for the Church father to come together and give 348 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: more attention to church teaching on gender affirming therapies and 349 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: transgender treatments. He says, the connection between biological and creation 350 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: and biological sex and gender are really important and are 351 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: lost here. 352 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: Why is that not well articulated? 353 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 3: Do you think it's not articulated because there's a section 354 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: of the church, including some bishops, who accept this erroneous 355 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: notion that a man can claim to be a woman, 356 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: and a woman can claim to be a man, and 357 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 3: they don't view gender confusion as a problem. But that 358 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: is kind of like, you know, well now I discovered 359 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: who I really am. The church doesn't teach this, it 360 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: cannot teach it. Unfortunately, Pope Francis and his pastoral openness, 361 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: he used to sadly an occasion he would refer to 362 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: transvestite says she or he when they weren't. He would 363 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: have a group come to his audiences that a nun 364 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: he knows used to deal with and just say this 365 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: is don't do this. It was a famous story when 366 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 3: a Spanish woman who claimed to be a man said, 367 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: you know, I've got married to a woman. I'd like 368 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: the two of us to come and visit you in Rome, 369 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 3: and Pope said, come on over, and then he called 370 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 3: her a woman even though she was a man. And 371 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: by the way, you can't be married if you're two women. 372 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: So and the Pope called the other woman the spouse. 373 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: I mean, just that was Pope Francis. It was a 374 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: sloppy it was unthought out, in my opinion, because elsewhere 375 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 3: he criticized gender ideologies. Yes, anyway, no Cardinal Ike is 376 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 3: what I like about him. Is he stating something which 377 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 3: is a simple truth that nobody would have questioned during 378 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 3: the pontificates of John Paul the second in Benedict sad 379 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: to say confusion during the pontificty of Post Francis led 380 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: some people you know and we you know, we have incidents. 381 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 3: We won't get into details, but Bishop's publicly tolerating this 382 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: kind of masquerade where people dress up like the opposite sex, 383 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 3: claim to be, you know, a man or a woman, 384 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: and they're not rebuked or given pastoral guidance to stop it. 385 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 3: So good for the cardinal. 386 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: Like okay, an outrageous story, I have to get to 387 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: an episode of the Apple Plus series Friends and Neighbors. 388 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: This episode features a couple, including actor John ham not 389 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: only breaking into a Catholic church, but busting into a 390 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: tabernacle and snacking on the hosts. Sadly, the characters and 391 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: the writers know exactly what they're doing. 392 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: Wa, this is the body of Christ. 393 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 3: Should be careful. 394 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: Father, your reaction to this. 395 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, just the idea of breaking 396 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: into a church for snacks during a date. I doubt 397 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: we'd see John hamm breaking into a mosque on TV. 398 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 3: But go on now. This is reprehensible and outrageous and 399 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: so offensive to the religious sentiments of a large percentage 400 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 3: of the American population, let alone of the world. It 401 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 3: is coming from the media empire, which basically says the 402 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 3: church is an insensitive group of people who regularly offend 403 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: people and shouldn't do it. And they do the exact 404 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 3: opposite of what they claim other people should be doing. 405 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 3: They offend people, and they do it knowingly mocking the 406 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: sacraments of the Catholic Church by having an act. You know, 407 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 3: in this case, the character break into a tabernacle when 408 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 3: the priest isn't in church and then giving a Holy Communion. 409 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 3: As a snack, the woman brings some kind of jam 410 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 3: and dips the host the body of Christ into the 411 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: jam and eats it. And then he puts the tabern 412 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: the seborium on the floor at a certain point and 413 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 3: lays on top of this woman in a bench until 414 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 3: a priest discovers them and throws them out. This is horrible, 415 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: This is absolutely insane. Apple is a huge corporation which 416 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: has a huge audience and religiously diverse population. Why in 417 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: the world would they single out a group to attack 418 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 3: who form a large part of their clientele. It's outrageous. 419 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 3: It reflects sad to say, and I wish Bill Dunney 420 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: you I hope Bill Dunne you will be able to 421 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 3: speak on this publicly. But this reflects a mindset of 422 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 3: the elites that treats religion as an obstacle to everything 423 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 3: that we want to do in the future. And what 424 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 3: do we do We tear religion down by mocking it. 425 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 3: These people should not mock religion. If anything, they should 426 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 3: look in the mirror and say, how am I being 427 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 3: unfaithful to my creative tolerance by doing this? 428 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: M Yeah, no, it's outrageous. 429 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: And again, the most sacred species in the Catholic Church, 430 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: the body and blood of Jesus in the Eucharus. I mean, 431 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: you would never take the most sacred aspect of another 432 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: faith and profane it in this way and make jokes 433 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: of it and then give voice to it. I mean 434 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: I was stunned when he says, this is the body 435 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: of Christ. Now you're culpable. 436 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: It's really bad for you. So I think people really 437 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: should register their displeasure with this. It was a horrible scene. 438 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 3: Apple needs to hear from the people. Why in the 439 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 3: world will we even think of doing anything like this 440 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 3: as an entertainment form. You're treating religion as something that 441 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 3: needs to be put down in crushed. Well, that, my friends, 442 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 3: is the atheistic program that is promoted by this notch. 443 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 3: We have to stop it. Apple's got to hear. We 444 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: don't want this garbage. 445 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: I want to move on to a story, and this 446 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: is breaking that Pope Leo had a phone call with 447 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: Russian President Vladimir Putin. 448 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: I'll read you the Vatican print out. 449 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: It says during the phone call, in addition to matters 450 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: of mutual interest, special attention was paid to the situation 451 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: in Ukraine and peace. The Pope made an appeal for 452 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: Russia to make a gesture that would promote peace, stress 453 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: the importance of dialogue, for the realization of positive contacts 454 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: between the parties and seek solutions to the conflict. Father 455 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: there was some talk weeks ago that the Vatican was 456 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: willing to host a negotiation between Zelenski and Putin. It's 457 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: not explicitly mentioned in this readout, but maybe that was 458 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: part of the conversation here, and that's what's what the 459 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: jes sure peace is referencing No. 460 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: I think that's in the background of this. Obviously, Pope Leo, 461 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: as the new Pope, has already expressed the desire, you know, 462 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: for an end of this war, the Russian assault on 463 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: Ukraine and for the you know, the people, the rights 464 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: of the Ukrainian people need to be restored. So that 465 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 3: is something that he's spoken about. And of course you're 466 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: absolutely right. He even offered to have the Vatican as 467 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: the place. 468 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: And for me, this is perfect. 469 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: Don't go to Geneva or Brussels, go to the spiritual 470 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 3: center here. In many ways of the whole world, certainly 471 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 3: of Europe and the Christian history, and say, look, both 472 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: Russia claims to be, you know, a religiously respectful country, 473 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 3: even though they demolished Orthodox churches in the Ukraine, to 474 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 3: come together in a place where Jesus is worshiped and 475 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: honored and say, Jesus, we want to stop this. I'm afraid, 476 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: of course, potent you know, KGB has lots of ways 477 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: of acting, and you know. 478 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well he's the fact that he had the conversation. 479 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: I thought, it's a good sign. 480 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 3: It's good time. Amen. 481 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: Final question, I guess the Pope is making a visit 482 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: to the United States, at least virtually father. On June fourteenth, 483 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: Chicago's Great Field will be featuring a Mass and a 484 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: prayer service with a video message from the hometown Pope. 485 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever seen a pope speak to 486 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: his hometown in an arena where he once attended games. 487 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 2: This is a first. 488 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: Well, I'm all in favor of it, by the way, 489 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 3: I mean, no, that's a great for the archide. Chicago 490 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 3: has to rejoice. I mean, one of their sons is 491 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 3: now the Pope in Rome, he's the Pontiffs so and then, yeah, 492 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 3: I love baseball, you know. I think it's a great 493 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 3: sport and it certainly defines American history. So you know, 494 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 3: Pope Leo is a ballfan, and it's great that the 495 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 3: Chicago White Sox are doing this in the darch diocese. 496 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 3: So you know, God bless the Cardinal Supic and his 497 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 3: priests are going to be there. And yeah, the video message. Yeah, 498 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: you know, one of the things we hear is priests. 499 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: Oh you know what do priests doing their free time? Well, 500 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 3: one thing, I watched baseball and I went through Yankee 501 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 3: game a few weeks ago. I know, Hope Leo won 502 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 3: the baseball games. 503 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: Yes, so good, I mean yeah, just because these interest 504 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: These are good healthy pastimes and I love the idea. 505 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: You know they have this image now near the seat 506 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: where he sat during the World Series. Yeah, so they're 507 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: really the great field is really putting on the dog 508 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: for the for the Pope, and that's a good thing. 509 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: We will leave it there. Father, thank you so much 510 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: for the time. 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