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This is the Buck Sexton Show, where the 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: mission or mission is to decode what really matters with 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: actionable intelligence magnor mistake American, You're a great American again. 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: The buck Sexton Show begins analysts. Remember no, Welcome to 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben Winegarden in four 23 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton coming to you live from the New York 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: branch of the Freedom Hunt, the only way Freedom Hunt 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: that exists into Camio and Cuomo's New York. Thank you 26 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: for taking this Friday night to hang with us here 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 1: in the New York Freedom Hut. I've guest hosted before, 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: but in case you didn't listen, I was senior contributor, 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: am a senior contributor of the Federalist, a Senior Fellow 30 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: at the London Center, and you can find me on 31 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: Twitter at b H Winegarden. I'd also urge you to 32 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: subscribe to my Big Ideas with Ben Winegarden podcast for 33 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: in depth interviews with great things, ankers and doers, folks 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: just like Buck Sexton. And I want to start by 35 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: thanking Buck for giving me the opportunity to fill in 36 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: here on a busy Friday nights. You know, Fridays are 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: supposed to be the slow days, but that's when all 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: the news actually gets dropped now in this twenty four 39 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: to seven media cycle, so let's get right to it. 40 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: I want to talk about three major themes today. One 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: of them national sovereignty, two, sabotage, three socialism. The three 42 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: ess For tonight's episode, the Border Wall is the big 43 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: story of the day and President Trump's emergency declaration, and 44 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: we'll play some audio from that in case you missed 45 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: it during the Your Busy Work Day from the Rose Garden, 46 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: and he laid out sort of his case for why 47 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: there needs to be an emergency declaration declared on top 48 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: of the funding that was received in the recently negotiated 49 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: Continuing Resolution. And let's talk about that Continuing Resolution for 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: a second. You know, we're more than two years into 51 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: this presidency. Republicans had the presidency, the House, the Senate, 52 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: and the House and Senate did nothing to advance the 53 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: president's agenda really when it came to immigration period, full stop. 54 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: The fact that it ever had to come to this, 55 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: this Continuing Resolution, twelve hundred pages released at three am 56 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: in the morning, ten pages of which were then released 57 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: after the fact Congressman themselves didn't even know where to 58 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: go for the full bill text is absurd and it's 59 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: really a slap in the face to the American people. 60 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: Over about sixty three million people voted for this president 61 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: and the fact that there was insufficient border wall funding 62 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: the first two years, and now you have to deal 63 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: with this basically phony negotiation where the President had to 64 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: grit his teeth and say, I accept this bill, but 65 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: I really don't like this bill. It's a travesty, and you, 66 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: as an American should take it as a slap in 67 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: the face that you're supposed representatives that this is the 68 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: best that they could come up with. So what was 69 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: in the bill. The bill is about more than the bill. 70 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: The bill is representative of the disdand that our political 71 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: establishment has for you and I three hundred and twenty 72 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: eight billion dollar continuing resolution with a measly one point 73 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: four billion dollars for the border wall. Now one point 74 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: four billion dollars is a lot, but in context of 75 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: the federal budget in a given year, where the federal 76 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: budgets well over three trillion dollars, probably close to four 77 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: trillion dollars at this point, it's nothing. It's nothing for 78 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: something as fundamental as territorial integrity, the job of the 79 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: government protect the homeland. That's number one. Peace and prosperity. 80 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: In order to have peace, you have to have a 81 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: secure border. So three hundred twenty eight billion dollars one 82 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: point four for the wall one point three seven five. 83 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: Of course, there are strings attached to this one point 84 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: three seven five. And consider by the way the strings 85 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: attached to this versus the lack of strings attached to 86 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: all the other asinine things that come out of Washington, 87 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: hidden deep within these bills that you'll never know about 88 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: because they are twelve hundred pages. So, first of all, 89 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: this wall funding one point four billion dollars, it's limited 90 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: to the Rio Grand sector. It's not just limited to 91 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: a fifty five mile area along the southern border in 92 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: the Rio Grand Valley of Texas and restricted so you 93 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: can't use it in a series of other areas that 94 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: they lay out, other areas which need secure fencing as well. 95 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: But there are two strings attached that really it just again, 96 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: it's more than disdain. It's just spitting in your face. 97 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: It's like a big joke that you can have a 98 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: twelve hundred page bill and have a couple provisions like these. 99 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: Section two twenty four A. I'll read it verbatim. None 100 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: of the funds provided by this Act may be used 101 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: by the Secretary of Homeland Security to place in detention, 102 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: Remove refer for a decision whether to initiate removal proceedings 103 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: or initiate removal proceedings against a sponsor, potential sponsor, or 104 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: member of a house of a sponsor or potential sponsor 105 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: of an unaccompanied alien child. Let me simplify that for you, 106 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of sponsors in there, and this 107 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: is typically loyally in the way that it's crafted. This 108 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: is a magnet for folks coming here and not being deportable. 109 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: That's what this is. You come with an unaccompanied alien 110 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: child referred to by the acronym UAC frequently, you can't 111 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: be thrown out. Think about what the incentive is there. Then, 112 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: of course you want to be a sponsor or, a 113 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: potential sponsor or, a member of a household of a 114 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: sponsor or, a potential sponsor of an unaccompanied alien child. 115 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: Because per section two twenty four A, you can't be 116 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: placed in detention, removed, or referred to a decision for 117 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: a decision whether to initiate removal proceedings. You can't be deported. 118 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: That's what it's saying. Here's another piece of text layered 119 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: into the bill, Section two thirty two A. Prior to 120 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: use of any funds made available by this Act for 121 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: the construction of physical barriers within the city limits of 122 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: any city or census designated place. Department of Homeland Security 123 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: and the local elected officials of such a city or 124 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: census designated place shall confer and seek to reach mutual 125 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: agreement regarding the design and alignment of physical barriers within 126 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: that city or the census designated place. Translation, local officials 127 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: are going to be the ones to determine where the 128 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: wall goes up and what kind of wall it is, 129 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: design and alignment of physical barriers. And oh, by the way, 130 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: it just so happens my understanding that those areas those 131 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: municipalities jurisdictions in the Rio Grand Valley, well they happen, 132 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: of course, be pretty much all blue districts. So what 133 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: do you think is going to happen then with that funding? 134 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: You know, there's other elements of this as well. There's 135 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: potentially a doubling of the amount of people in the 136 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: capped guest worker program hbtwo program, And you know we 137 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: can talk about that, and I guarantee you they're about 138 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: a thousand other things layered into this bill that make 139 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: you and I go crazy what it represents. Again, not 140 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: just a slap in the face to us and a 141 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: slap in the face to the president, but a total 142 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: dereliction of duty, a total lack of sincerity, of care, 143 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: of faithfulness to us as the citizen. You know what 144 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: the wall itself represents. It's not about the physical barrier. Yes, 145 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: of course, a physical barrier is necessary as one element 146 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: of having truly secure borders, because the first thing is 147 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: secure borders at home, and then we can worry about 148 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: the trillions of dollars that have been spent overseas that 149 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: haven't necessarily made us any safer. But it starts with homeland, 150 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: protecting the homeland. What does a wall represent. It represents 151 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: national sovereignty, priority number one essentially of a government, and 152 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: in the Constitution it talks about the need for the 153 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: government to protect us from invasion, which we essentially have 154 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: in which the emergency declaration today represents. It represents faithfulness 155 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: to the citizenry, it represents strength, it represents a pact 156 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: with us that the government respects us and they understand 157 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: that we are the number one responsibility, we the people, 158 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: and if not, they should all be thrown out of office. 159 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: That's what the wall represents for us for they left 160 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 1: for the Robert Francis O'Rourkes of the world, because I 161 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: will refuse to refer to him by that moniker, the 162 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: Beto moniker for folks like him. He says, let's tear 163 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: down the walls that exist today. How would that work 164 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: out for the country? Exactly? You know, the left makes 165 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: the argument it's immoral. A wall is immoral. Well, what 166 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: could be more moral than protecting the life and limb 167 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: of citizen ry? Okay, survival is moral, especially survival from 168 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: some of the worst people in the world. These drug 169 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: traffickers and incidentally terrorists and the terrorist groups that work 170 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: with the drug traffickers and child traffickers to get into 171 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: this country cause lots of crime, billions of dollars in damages, 172 00:09:53,920 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: all the associated cultural costs. They say, that's immoral. Okay. 173 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: The wall for us represents a citizen rate. For the left, 174 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: it represents an affront to multiculturalism and a lack of 175 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: concern that they have for the citizen ry because they 176 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: believe that everyone that there should be no borders, that 177 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: we're all the same, there's no differences in cultures. Well, 178 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: except that they know that their culture is superior to 179 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: deplorable culture. What they really care about at the end 180 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: of the day, what this is really all about, of course, 181 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: is the fact that the left wants the country overrun. 182 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: They at their core believe in some of them believe 183 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: in open borders because ideologically that's really where they are, 184 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: and they are really that deluded to think that there 185 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: is no difference between different peoples everywhere, and that's a 186 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: citizenship is something that should be treated cheaply and taken lightly. 187 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: And then for the others it is more cynical and political. 188 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: And a little bit later today we're going to talk 189 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: about one of the ways in which even absence and 190 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: amnesty in this country, mass illegal immigration to this country 191 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: actually gives the left substantial political power already full stop. 192 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: So before there is down the road, presumably some kind 193 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: of mass amnesty, the way that things are trending in 194 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: our political class, already there is power to having our 195 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: borders overrun. And that's really the point ultimately is that 196 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: this is a cynical power play from the left, though 197 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: it's sort of it's the old Cloward Piven overload the 198 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: system to force a change, overload the system, where illegal 199 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: aliens overload the system with government spending, put as much 200 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: power within the state as possible, doll out as much 201 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: our jest as possible. It all works in their favor 202 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: if you're a progressive, because a bigger state means more 203 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: power for you. That's where the left is right now. 204 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: But those on our side, quote unquote, we're talking about 205 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: a percentage of a percentage that really actually believes in 206 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: faithfulness to the Constitution, and faithfulness and fidelity to the 207 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: American people, and again to national sovereignty and territorial integrity 208 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: and citizenship itself. Citizenship itself is not a cheap word. 209 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: It's something to be held in very high esteem. And 210 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: for those immigrants who came here legally and actually had 211 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: to work for it, as opposed to spitting in the 212 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: face of those who are just abrogating the system, they 213 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: value that citizenship a lot of times, probably more highly 214 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: than folks who were born here and take it for granted. 215 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say. The reality of the situation is 216 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: that there's a bipartisan establishment, and that bipartisan establishment believes 217 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: essentially in open borders, some of them to different degrees. 218 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: It's open borders on the left and on the right, 219 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: what is it. It's cheap labor. That's sad on both sides. 220 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: It should be an affront to every concerned American. It 221 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: really should. If we could actually go to clip ten 222 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: Mark Meadows talking about the border wall, he speaks a 223 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: little bit about this. This is a president who has 224 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: performed over and over and over again. He's moved the 225 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: embassy to Jerusalem. He's brought back jobs from China to America. 226 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: The economy is roaring. We've got a number of people 227 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: that were hostages brought home. Every time they say he 228 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: won't do it, he does do it. He's going to 229 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: do it this time. I'm confident of that. I believe 230 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: that he will take it executive action to make sure 231 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: he gets the dollars that he needs to make sure 232 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: that that wall gets built. Congress won't do his job. 233 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: Quite frankly, we could have done a lot better. We 234 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: could have given him the five point seven billion that 235 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: he requested, But instead he's having to embark on a 236 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: three step process that I applaud. I mean, you know, 237 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: I can tell you that I wish that the executive 238 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: branch would have less ability to do things on their own. 239 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: That was House Freedom Caucus chair, Mark Meadow, and of 240 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: course he called for executive action and he got it. 241 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: This is Ben Winegarden in for Buck Sexon on the 242 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: Buck Sexon Show eight four nine zero zero Buck. That's 243 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: two eight two five eight four four nine zero zero 244 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: two eight two five. Follow me on Twitter at bh 245 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: Winegarden and apologize about that. The guys behind the glass 246 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: played a little joke on me before the break. We 247 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: now have the Mark Meadows clip. You've heard him. I 248 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: wholeheartedly agree with Mark Meadows. I suspect a lot of 249 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: you do too. No one wants the executive to have 250 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: to have the authority or to have to take a 251 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: measure like the President is taking, and it's clear that 252 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: he was very begrudgingly taking this measure as well. In fact, 253 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: in comments today he sort of went over why a 254 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: national emergency here is merited and then also why he 255 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: knows it's going to get caught up in litigation. If 256 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: we could go to quip six to Trump talking about 257 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: the national emergency in the wall, we're going to be 258 00:14:52,080 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: signing today and registry National emerg Agency. And it's a 259 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: great thing to do because we have an invasion of drugs, 260 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: invasion of gangs, invasion of people, and it's unacceptable. I 261 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: could do the wall over a longer period of time, 262 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: I didn't need to do this, but I'd rather do 263 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: it much faster, and I don't have to do it 264 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: for the election. I've already done a lot of wall 265 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: for the election twenty twenty. And the only reason we're 266 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: up here talking about this is because of the election. 267 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: That was the President speaking at the Rose Garden this afternoon, 268 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: explaining justifying the need to call for a national emergency. Here, 269 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: let me say what the real national emergency is in America. 270 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: It's that our leaders don't represent us. The media, the 271 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: left they love, they love to talk about, oh, dictatorship, 272 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: unprecedented violation of norms. They are actually the ones who 273 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: are violating the norms here because they don't care about 274 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: securing the country. We spend I mentioned before, we've spent 275 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: trillions of dollars overseas on engagements, and you'd be very 276 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: hard pressed. I'd be interested to hear from some of 277 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: you a bit later tonight, what has been the actual 278 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: outcome of Afghanistan. You know, we're there seventeen and eighteen years, 279 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: approaching twenty years. Maybe there will be some kind of 280 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: negotiation to get out of there. Can you define what 281 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: are the three seminole achievements of our time in Afghanistan? 282 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: What about in Iraq? It's pretty clear that Iraq has 283 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: become in many ways a proxy for Iran. It should 284 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: have been a counterbalance for it. Now it's a proxy 285 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: for it. So we've wasted all of this blood and 286 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: treasure overseas. And I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate 287 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: things that we need to be doing overseas, because I'm 288 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: as ardent accounter g hottest as you'll find, and I 289 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: believe in taking it to the enemy when they pose 290 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: a threat to US national interests. But it starts at home. 291 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: And if we don't have home right, then everything else 292 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: is in big trouble, big trouble. So what did the 293 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: President do with this invocation of his authority under the 294 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: National Emergency Act? Essentially he was able to identify, according 295 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: to the White House, eight up to eight point one 296 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: billion dollars available to build the border wall post declaration, 297 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: with additional funds having been reprogrammed. And so there's six 298 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: hundred and one million from the Treasury forfeiture fund, there's 299 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: up to two and a half billion from the DoD 300 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: funds Department of Defense funds transferred for support for counter 301 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: drug activities under Title ten and of the US Code, 302 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: Section two eighty four. There's up to three point six 303 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: billion dollars reallocated from the Department of Defense military construction 304 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: projects under the President's Declaration of a National Emergency Title ten, 305 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: US Code Section twenty eight O eight. And we'll talk 306 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: about the legal wranglings a bit later. Allow me to 307 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: allow me to have the President explain how he thinks 308 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: this is going to go down legally Quip seven, if 309 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: you would. Guys, we will have a national emergency, and 310 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: we will then be sued, and they will sue us 311 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: in the Ninth Circuit even though it shouldn't be there, 312 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: and we will possibly get a bad ruling, and then 313 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 1: we'll get another bad ruling, and then we'll end up 314 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court, and hopefully we'll get a fair 315 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: shake and we'll win in the Supreme Court. There you 316 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: have it. I think that's pretty wise legal analysis from 317 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: the President right there. In fact, the legal challenges are 318 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: already starting to fly this afternoon or this morning. Even 319 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: it might have been reported that Alexandroocazio Cortez and Joaquin 320 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 1: Castro are going to introduce legislation to try to block 321 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: the president's use of a national emergency here, and actually 322 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: the ACLU has tweeted as well that they're going to 323 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: be attacking it, and some folks are pointing to comments 324 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: from the President later on during this Rose Garden address 325 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: where he talks about, you know, I didn't want to 326 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: do it this way, we didn't need to do it 327 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: this way, but we have to do it this way. 328 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: And of course his words are going to be parsed 329 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: by the Ninth Circuit, as he mentioned, and we will 330 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: get into the legal wranglings of this. I do think 331 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: it will become very clear throughout this episode that legally 332 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: the president is on very sound footing, and we can 333 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: talk about executive power, separation of powers and the like, 334 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: but this is more a political question in reality than 335 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: a legal question, and it is sad that it has 336 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: come to it at this point. This is Ben Winegarten 337 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: in four Bucks Sexon on the Buck Sexton Show. Call 338 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: in lines are open eight four four nine zero zero Buck. 339 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: That's eight four four nine zero zero Buck two eight 340 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: two five eight four four nine zero zero two eight 341 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: two five. We'll be right back and talk about the 342 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: census citizenship question. Welcome back to the buck Sexton Show. 343 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: This is Ben Winegarden in four buck Sexton lines are 344 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: open eight four four nine zero zero two eight two 345 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: five eight four four nine zero zero two eight to five. 346 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: Follow me on Twitter at b H. Winegarden. All right, 347 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: we've been talking about the President's national emergency, sovereignty, border 348 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: wall funding and the like. Let's hear what you have 349 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: to say. Let's go to the phone, starting with doctor 350 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: Rick from Silver Spring, Maryland. Hello, doctor Rick. Yes, Hi, 351 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 1: good evening, and I tell you I could not be 352 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: more upset about this whole matter. Buck Show last night. 353 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: I think he did a great job talking about all 354 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: the problems with the bill. I think it you know, 355 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: I agree with him. I think it does more harm 356 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: than good, and I kind of wish the President had 357 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: said distinct stinks. I'm not going to say yes, and 358 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to shut down the government again. But I 359 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: want to get your take on it. Ben. Yeah, you know, 360 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: my opinion of it is this the bill cuts both ways. Obviously, 361 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: there are provisions in there that the incentive structure is terrible. 362 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: From the perspective of sovereignty, and it cuts against the 363 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: president's agenda, which is part of the reason that I've 364 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: argued that, look, even in getting this one point four billion, 365 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: which is a fraction of the five point seven billion, 366 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: which is a fraction of the twenty five billion, that 367 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: even with that, they had to fight him tooth and 368 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: nail through the shutdown and then put in all of 369 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: these potential poison pills, these land mines, as they've been 370 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: described by some within the bill. So again, I think 371 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: it's a reflection of Congress and a smack in the 372 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: face of sixty three million Americans now in terms of 373 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: what would the president's best strategy have been in this scenario. 374 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: There are a lot of folks who were advocating for 375 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: maybe a one or two week continuing resolution to allow 376 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: folks to actually examine the twelve hundred pages. God forbid, 377 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: we took more than two or three days seventy two 378 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: hours to look at what was actually in the thing. 379 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 1: Although of course we could have all guessed that there 380 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: would be things in the bill that were egregious. I 381 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: suspect that if you were in those White House conversations 382 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: about strategy here, the reality was that they said, given 383 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: the calendar and where we are relative to twenty twenty, 384 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: and how long legal challenges would potentially take, and how 385 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: much time has already been wasted on this, that this 386 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: was probably the end of the line, and we'll take 387 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: the one point four bill in because it's better than 388 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: nothing else. We'll live to fight another day. We'll get 389 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: the incremental funding to get to over five point seven 390 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: billion potentially all in, and there will be a court fight. 391 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: Hopefully the bulldozers will get rolling well before election day 392 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Although it's worth noting that the President talked 393 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: about twenty twenty and the political element of this, and 394 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: the press will say, you know, they love to say, oh, 395 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: this is Trump's vanity project. It's not Trump's vanity vanity project. 396 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: It's that he made a promise to the American people 397 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: that represents all those things that I mentioned in my monologue, 398 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: fidelity and faithfulness to the Constitution, and territorial integrity, and 399 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: the fact that it is imperative that we get a 400 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: handle on our homeland. So that's really my opinion of it. 401 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: Do you have any follow up to that, doctor Rick? Well, 402 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm just so very frustrated with the political ruling class. 403 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: Like you said, we had control of House and Senate 404 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: and the president. They could have gotten this done. Clearly 405 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: they didn't want to get this done. And I just 406 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: you know the fact that so disconnected from the people 407 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: warned us. You know, I would love for the presidents 408 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: say I'm building it, I'm using the army corps of engineers, 409 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: sue me, stop me and just build it um and 410 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: and you know, to you know, to be damned with, 411 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: you know, and let them try to stop it. You know, 412 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: I just I'm that's frustrated. Well, well, thanks so much 413 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: for the call. And and I think we're all frustrated 414 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: at our so called representatives that that's really what they are. 415 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: They represent us, they claim every midterm election, and you 416 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: know then for the senators when their races are up. 417 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: But it's a con essentially that it really is. And 418 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: again you look at it. You have basically the House 419 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus or at least a you know, disproportionate percentage 420 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: of the House Freedom Caucus that actually believes in the 421 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: things that they run on. And you have a handful 422 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: of senators and that is pretty much it. And it's 423 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: a very it's it's it's it's a it's a small 424 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: minority that speaks for the silent majority in this country. 425 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Charles in Boston. Charles, you 426 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: are on the buck Sex and show. How are you? Sir? 427 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: I agree with the first with the college just before me. 428 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm disappointed too. And uh, I don't know, and I'm 429 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: not really clear why the President couldn't have said, you know, 430 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: he said, I'm going to read the bill. I don't 431 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: like this. I'm going to view to it, have a 432 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: continuing resolution and then and then uh and then uh 433 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: Board of Security because this is getting serious enough where 434 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: uh that this is getting serious enough that I almost 435 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: think we ought to have the military on the boarder 436 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: imagine find the imagine. And Israel has a wall way 437 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: back way back in uh and uh in the early 438 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: modern era. UH, Vienna had a wall to keep out 439 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: invading terms from the Ottoman Empire. And these people are 440 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: invading from South America. And I just don't know how 441 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: this is going to turn out. And I'm just afraid 442 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: for our public. Basically, if we lose the twenty twenty election, 443 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: what happens to the country. Is the company going to 444 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: be worth living in? Anymore, or should we just say Okay, 445 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: let's you know. That's how frustrated I feel, and I 446 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: just wanted to get your take on it, mister weinegotten 447 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: and again I agree with it with the doctor who 448 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 1: called from Silver Spring, Maryland. Okay, I'll take your answer 449 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: off the air, and thank you for having me on. Bye, Charles, 450 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Thank thanks so much for that heartfelt call. Look, I 451 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: share your frustration and your concern about the direction of 452 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: the country, and this kind of gets to why Trump's 453 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: presidency was such a monumental act, a revolutionary act, revolutionary 454 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: in the sense of going back towards the people. I've 455 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: said this before in other forums that I believe and 456 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: I think that this continuing resolution reflects the fact that 457 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: Trump is a man alone in Washington, DC. And you 458 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: can read press accounts that sort of reflect this as well. 459 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: He holds ideas that can completely fly in the face 460 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: of ninety percent of the folks in Washington, DC. That 461 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: can't be said at elite cocktail parties, that go against 462 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: everything you learn at elite institutions that's reinforced in popular culture, 463 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: and it is near impossible to take on this behemoth. 464 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: He's one person essentially taking the swings and arrows for 465 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: sixty three million of US He is when they talk 466 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: about the presidency being the loneliest office in the world, 467 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: it really is the loneliest office in the world. When 468 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: you hear about the internal sniping, leaking, lying, sabotage in 469 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: the executive branch. It is one person standing up for 470 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: sixty three million, but there's almost no one else in 471 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: the political class there. It is a It really does 472 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: imperil our nation the fact that we don't have a 473 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: handle on this, and these measures are not the ideal measures, 474 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: And I think the President would be the first person 475 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: to agree on that he's taken every measure gun beyond 476 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: where other politicians would go. Clearly in terms of tactical 477 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: what should have been done in the near term, I'm 478 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: not sure that the continuing resolution would lead to anything 479 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: other than probably a worset deal. Even ultimately, it's very 480 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: tough sweating when your side consists of a president and 481 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: a few other people in Congress. It's very challenging. And 482 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: you see now that the president is using a power 483 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: that he'd probably rather not use, that's going to be challenged. 484 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: That has drawn the ire of even some conservatives and 485 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: some libertarians. We're going to speak with one of those. Incidentally, 486 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: we're going to speak with John You a little bit 487 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: later tonight, a constitutional scholar who has studied executive power 488 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: versus legislative power, the ins and outs of national emergencies. 489 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: And look, the Department of Defense is going to be 490 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: down at the border, their budgets being reallocated for these purposes. 491 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: And look, you saw it in the face of the 492 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: caravans as well. And the caravans are part of kind 493 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 1: of the series of events, the fact pattern leading up 494 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: to the justification for declaring a national emergency. And we're 495 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: going to go back to kind of the legal battle 496 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: over this and a little bit of the political battle 497 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: as well with John Yu as I mentioned a bit 498 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: later in the program, But I want to talk about 499 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: another issue that has really been off the radar except 500 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,959 Speaker 1: for wonky folks in Washington, d C. But which has 501 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 1: really drawn the focus of the left in a way 502 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: that I think few anticipated. And you could sort of 503 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: see this and I wrote about this in The Federalist, 504 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: and probably almost a year ago. Eric Holder, former Attorney General, 505 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: he came out and it's not as if he's made 506 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: a ton of public statements or written a ton of 507 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: op eds. He came out focused on this issue of 508 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: a census citizenship question. Now, let's start at the highest level. 509 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: Why would you care about the census and what does 510 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: the citizenship question have to do with this topic of 511 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: national sovereignty. The census is actually a vital document when 512 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: it comes to political power because it is used in 513 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: primarily two tasks, one apportioning seats in the US House 514 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: and two allocating upwards of eight hundred billion and perhaps 515 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: nine hundred billion dollars a year in federal funds down 516 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: to district. So let me say it state that again, 517 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: the number of representatives in your given states, and thus 518 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: the number of presidential electors that you send to the 519 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: Electoral College, is dictated by the census numbers. That redistricting 520 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: occurs every ten years, and that's why the twenty twenty 521 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: census is so essential. And again, nine hundred billion dollars 522 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: in federal funds are allocated. Nine hundred billion dollars, that's 523 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: like a third of the federal budget, maybe slightly less, 524 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: are allocated based upon the census. The question of the 525 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: census citizenship question, what is that? Well, the Trump administration 526 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: decided under Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, the Census Bureau fits 527 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: under the Commerce Department, that a citizenship question should be 528 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: included on the primary census. So every American, every household 529 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: who receives a census, Wilbur Ross and the Trump administration 530 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: would like the question to be asked, are you a 531 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: citizen of the United States. There are a few different 532 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: boxes relating to what your citizenship is, and then there's 533 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: no not a citizen of the United States. That's all 534 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: they want to ask. You would think that that would 535 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: be a pretty basic question that a country would want 536 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: to know. You know, in my district, what percentage of 537 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: people here are citizens? What percentage are non citizens? Well, 538 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: the backlash on the left has been massive, and here's why. 539 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: The census count that determines how many representatives are in 540 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: each state is based upon total people counted. Let me 541 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: repeat that total people counted, that citizens and non citizens. 542 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: And within non citizens, there are illegal immigrants and there 543 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: are people here who are here illegally. So the census 544 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: count to determine that apportioning counts illegal aliens. So if 545 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: you live in a state that as a disproportionate number 546 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: of illegal aliens, You might have a disproportionate number of 547 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: representatives in your state. A lot of people aren't aware 548 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: of that. Doesn't that strike you as strange that a 549 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: sent be political power? How many representatives you have, how 550 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: many electors go to the electoral college, and then what 551 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: percentage of the nine hundred billion plus dollars that gets 552 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: allocated down to the district levels based upon those population 553 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: counts that the numbers that influence that actually include illegal aliens. 554 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: Did you know that illegal aliens can actually dilute the 555 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: political power of some people, those who live in states 556 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: they're disproportionately citizens, and conversely creates more power for those 557 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: states that have more illegal aliens or more non citizens. Generally, 558 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: this isn't talked about very often. One of the reasons 559 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: that the Trump the reason the Trump administration wants to 560 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: include the question, and the reason they've argued for it, 561 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: is that in order to enforce the Voting Rights Act, 562 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: something that you would think Democrats would be on board with. 563 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: Properly enforcing provisions of the Voting Rights Act, you need 564 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: an accurate account of citizens versus non citizens. Otherwise non 565 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: citizens can dilute the political power of some artificially increase 566 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: the political power of others. So the Trump administration puts 567 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: forth the census citizenship question in their proposals and immediately 568 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: are met with a swift backlash from all sorts of 569 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: leftist advocacy groups. The case that lost for the Trump 570 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: administration is now going to be kicked up to the 571 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Today the news came out Wall Street Journal 572 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: headline quote, Supreme Court degree is to decide legality of 573 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: census citizenship question. Trump administrations seeking to ask census respondents 574 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: if they are US citizens. When we come back, we'll 575 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about the stakes of this fight, 576 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: about what the left is arguing. The insane arguments against 577 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: something is basic as you knowing what percentage of the 578 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: country is citizens versus non citizens in your own district, 579 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: what happens to your political power, Why some states are 580 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: going to lose representatives and some are going to gain representatives, 581 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: Why there's more funding for some states and not other states. 582 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: We'll get to this major legal argument that's brewing that 583 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: sticks to this point of national sovereignty and do we 584 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: defend the rights of our citizens and the political power 585 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: of our citizens. We'll get right back to that, and 586 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: we have an interview with someone who is supporting the 587 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: government's efforts to include that citizenship question at the top 588 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: of the hour. This is Ben Weinegarden in four Buck 589 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: Sexon on the Buck Sexon Show. Eight four four nine 590 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: zero zero two eight two five. 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All right, 596 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: before the break, I was talking a bit about the 597 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: census citizenship question and how this question is now going 598 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court based upon a ruling that came 599 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: down today and that the Trump administration had lost in 600 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: the Southern District of New York in a federal court 601 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: by an Obama appointed judge. And I mentioned the fact 602 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: that the census is such a vital, vital count because 603 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: the census really determines how much political power each state 604 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: has and ultimately how much political power each citizen has. 605 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: But it's impacted by non citizens because the counts that 606 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: we get out of the census total population count is 607 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: what matters to determine a portioning of the seats, an 608 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: allocation of hundreds of billions of federal dollars. Okay, So 609 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: why did Democrats hate the idea of the inclusion of 610 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: this question? What they state that they believe that there 611 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: will be an unconstitutional undercount, that non citizens will be 612 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: afraid to respond to a question are you a citizen 613 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: or not? In the census. We can walk through the 614 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: history of this, but this question was on the census 615 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: every decade from eighteen twenty to nineteen fifty, outside of 616 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: eighteen forty for whatever reason that was A similar question 617 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: has been asked of one in six households in nineteen eighty, 618 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, and two thousand on the long form Census. 619 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: The Obama administration, I don't think they're racist targeting illegal aliens. 620 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: They asked the question of one and thirty eight households 621 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: on the document that replaced the long form Census, the 622 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: American Community Survey. As mentioned, the Trump administration makes the 623 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: case that in order to enforce the Voting Rights Act, 624 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: something that we can all agree on, that they need 625 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: an accurate account of citizens versus non citizens. But the 626 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: Left has fearmongered about this issue, saying it's a Trump administration. 627 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: We can't trust them to ask this question. They're trying 628 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: to drive down non citizen numbers, But what is their 629 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: real argument. At the end of the day, they will 630 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: lose political power. In fact, in the judge's opinion from 631 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: New York who wrote against the Trump administration, he said 632 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: that the question was actually constitutional. He was fine with 633 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: a citizenship question. He differed with Commerce Secretary Wilber Ross's 634 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: judgment and the way he came to his decision. And 635 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: he wrote, and I quote here, the Court finds, by 636 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: a preponderance of evidence that the addition of a citizenship 637 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: question will cause, or is likely to clause etc. Etc. 638 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: Several jurisdictions to lose seats in the next congressional apportionment period. 639 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: Let's stop right there. People could potentially lose house seats 640 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: because of non citizens not being included. Thus the potentially 641 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: this all hypothetical question can't be asked. He added, a 642 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 1: net under account of people live in non citizen households. 643 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: Whilst it caused states to lose access to federal funding. 644 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: What does this all come down to At the end 645 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: of the day, it comes down to political power. It's 646 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: not about you the citizen. It's about political power for 647 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: those who benefit from those states with large non citizen populations. 648 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll talk with Jay Christian Adams. 649 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: His legal group has actually filed an amicist CUI bief 650 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: brief with the Trump administration that went to the Supreme Court. 651 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: We'll be right back on the buck Sex and show. 652 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: You're probably familiar with AARP. You or someone you know 653 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: might already be a member, But did you know that 654 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: AARP is about left wing politics. They lobby for a 655 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: lot of progressive causes. 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AMAC is better, better for you, better for America. 673 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United 674 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: States under protected, undocumented, unchecked, and illegal aliens should not 675 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: be treated the same as people who entered the US legally. 676 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: We must control our borders, must protect our borders. This 677 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: is Ben Weegarden in for Buck sexon on the Buck 678 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: Sex and Show eight four four nine zero zero two 679 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: eight two five Follow me on Twitter at bh wine Garden. 680 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: And those were just some of the few disingenuous Democrats 681 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: who over the years have of course completely flipped on 682 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: this issue, proving per usual that with them and of 683 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: course with many Republicans too, it's about power, it's not 684 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: actually about principle and those questions, and again, this question 685 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: of citizenship, border security and the like is really intrinsic 686 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: to the question of census citizenship, and I think a 687 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: unique microcosm of what the political class thinks about us, 688 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: because there isn't even a question. You've probably never even 689 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: heard the question asked, mister representative of my district, why 690 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: is it that illegal aliens can take political power from me? 691 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: Or conversely, why is it that this other district, this 692 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: other state has more political power by counting people who 693 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: have cheated the system. I talked a little bit about 694 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: the historical background of the census citizenship question, the Trump 695 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: administration's justification for it on the Voting Rights Act, and 696 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: the Democrats challenged to it, and I mentioned the judge 697 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: in the Southern District of New York, federal judge. He 698 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: shot down the Trump administration's ability to ask this question 699 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: not on constitutional ground. I'm going to quote from his 700 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: opinion here the citizenship question and I quote is quote 701 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: not inconsistent with the Constitution unquote. I it's not the 702 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: question that's an issue here, it's how the Trump administration 703 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: came to their determination. And by the way, this doesn't 704 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: even get into the fact that the groups who brought 705 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: this suit to this judge, Obama appointed judge in the 706 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: Southern district were of course leftist act VISC groups who 707 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: arguably should have had no standing, and the judge made 708 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: his argument that essentially some political power could be lost 709 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: among some groups if there was an undercount. But Secretary 710 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: Ross was the person who had the power delegated to 711 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: him to determine what questions go on that census, since 712 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: he is the Commerce Secretary and the Census sits under him. 713 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: The judge was not delegated that power. Secretary Ross was. 714 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: And by the way, that's a running theme that will 715 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: really run throughout this episode when we talk about not 716 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: just sovereignty, but everything that the president tries to do 717 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: visa via the legislative branch and vice versa. Where does 718 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: power reside. Here's what Secretary Ross said, quote Neither the 719 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: Census Bureau nor the concerned stakeholders could document that the 720 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: response rate would in fact decline materially. The Census Bureaus 721 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 1: analysis did not provide definitive empirical support for that belief. 722 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: And then he went on, even if there was an 723 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: i quote here an impact on responses, the value of 724 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: more complete and accurate day derived from surveying the entire 725 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: population outweighs such concerns. Unte you know, it seems pretty 726 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: reasonable to me, seems common sense to me. And more importantly, 727 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: who is a judge to question Secretary Ross's decision making? 728 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: The judiciary is out of control. The legislative branch is 729 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: actually supposed to be in the most important powerful branch, 730 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: the executive executes. The courts are there to review constitutionality, 731 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: period full stop. They're not there to question the judgment 732 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: of a person, in this case, an executive branch official 733 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: who was delegated pretty clear authority to ask whatever questions 734 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: are necessary, provided there is a constitutional purpose, and here 735 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: the constitutional purpose is enforcing the Voting Rights Act? So 736 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: what is the real story here? Was I mentioned? The 737 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,320 Speaker 1: judge himself admits that this is basically about political power. 738 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: Potentially some states could lose seats in the US House 739 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: and billions of dollars, some portion of which might be 740 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: allocated elsewhere, and as there was, some people might be 741 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: hurt by that based upon this hypothetical that people aren't 742 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: going to respond to a question that asks are you 743 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: a citizen or not? And oh, by the way, if 744 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: you're not a citizen, it doesn't ask are you here 745 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: legally or illegally? It's not asking people to self incriminate. 746 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: It is a pretty basic question of a country. Are 747 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: you a citizen? Are you not a citizen? I think 748 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,760 Speaker 1: that most Americans would probably agree. Guys behind the glass, 749 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: do you agree with that assertion? You should know who? 750 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: What percentage of Americans are citizens? What percentage of people 751 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: in America are non citizens? Seems pretty reasonable to me 752 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: in a country top of the list citizenship. No broader question. 753 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: Should should the census count all people? Oppose that? Also 754 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: to you, guys, if you are here illegally, should you 755 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,359 Speaker 1: be counted in a census so that maybe you get 756 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: one more see it in the House of Representatives in 757 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 1: your state? Is that fair? Is not fair? Pretty basic? 758 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,879 Speaker 1: But Democrats say, actually it's unfair. The other way, it's 759 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: actually unfair. So there are a lot of legal aliens, Well, 760 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: they use public services in your districts. You need more 761 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,959 Speaker 1: money now, But why is there another representative? And why 762 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: does a probably red state that has a lower percentage 763 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: of legal aliens, why do they get less political power? 764 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: And where are the Republicans. I've never heard a Republicans 765 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: say a word about Oh my gosh, this is actually 766 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: another magnet for illegal immigration, sanctuary cities. Have you ever 767 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: heard someone say, well, sanctuary cities are a magnet for 768 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: illegal aliens, and that's actually going to be in more 769 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: power for their state. So there's actually an incentive before 770 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: there's ever an amnesty for open borders. I think more 771 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: than anything this week, what we found out with this 772 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: bill is that both parties are for open borders. I 773 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: think they both became exposed and now we both know 774 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: what they're all about. Essentially, that's the stakes, and they 775 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: can't keep lying to us about it. In twenty twenty, 776 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: this would be a fundamental question. President Trump layed out 777 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: kind of what the fundamental questions are in that state 778 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: of the Union. You know, if we don't have a 779 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: border wall, we don't have sovereignty, we're not a country. 780 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,879 Speaker 1: Pretty basic thing, fundamental. It really the political class. They're 781 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: up in arms. How could you ever believe in, you know, 782 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: territorial integrity because apparently they don't believe that there are 783 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: border lines in this country. Okay, so borders. Do you 784 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: believe in borders or not? Do you believe in defending 785 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: your citizens or do you believe that America exists for 786 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: everyone in the world. Do you believe in in fanticide, 787 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: do you believe in socialism? Pretty basic things, and Republicans 788 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: will rally to the President's side on that. But then 789 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: when push comes to shove, when you get into the 790 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: nitty gritty of policy, he's pretty much left high and dry. 791 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: I still think probably the most telling act of this 792 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: Congress is what was their seminole achievements with the two 793 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 1: years under President Trump when we had all three branches? 794 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, the political class always said 795 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: with respect to healthcare and probably a bunch of other 796 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: things as well, well, to do this first, we need 797 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: the House. Okay, got the House. Well we need the Senate. 798 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: Got the Senate. Well we need the presidency. Got the presidency. 799 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: We need the Supreme Court? Got Supreme Court. Who's kidding? 800 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: Who here? Who is getting who here? And I want 801 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 1: to go back to that fundamental question about people in 802 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: the census. And this does get into a little bit 803 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: of the legal weeds, but it really shouldn't fundamental question 804 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,439 Speaker 1: that Americans should be able to pose to their representatives. 805 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: In my view, why should non citizens, including illegal aliens, 806 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: be able to increase the political power of some Americans 807 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: and decrease the political power of other Americans. So this 808 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: comes down to definition of people. A constitution talks about 809 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: Congress shall set the rules for counting citizens, and we'll 810 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: use it to apportion seats. That's Article one. Section two 811 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,320 Speaker 1: of the Constitution calls for a citizenship, citizens census counts, 812 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: apportioning representatives, and directing taxes. And then the language was 813 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: modified after the abolition of slavery under Section two of 814 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: the fourteenth Amendment. So of course before there were slavery provisions, 815 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: they were stricken after the abolition of slavery, so that 816 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,799 Speaker 1: every American was counted. Boy, And I'll quote here from 817 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: section to fourteenth Amendment, which requires that a portioning can 818 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: be based on quote, the whole number of persons in 819 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: each state, excluding Indians, not tax The section that becomes 820 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: both comes before proceeds Section two of the fourteenth Amendment. 821 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: Section one begins all persons born or naturalized in the 822 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,760 Speaker 1: United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof our citizens 823 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. 824 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,280 Speaker 1: So if you're reading that document like a normal person 825 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: and not like a liberal lawyer, okay, first sentence defines 826 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,879 Speaker 1: who persons are. Second sentence references persons. Those persons are 827 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 1: born or naturalized in the US and subject to the 828 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 1: jurisdiction thereof that's who the whole number of persons in 829 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: each state are. And the same holds true for the 830 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: Constitution itself, by the way, and the census count is 831 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: called for under the Constitution. The preamble of the Constitution 832 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: quote we the people of the United States, not as 833 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: constitutional scholar John Eastman puts it, we the people of 834 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: the world, or we any foreign nationals who happen to 835 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: be in the United States when a census is taken. 836 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,360 Speaker 1: This is pretty basic stuff. You never have heard this questions. 837 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: I have not heard a politician with any kind of 838 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 1: bully pulpit get up and say, why should illegal aliens 839 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,760 Speaker 1: dilute your vote and increase the power of another person's vote. Again, 840 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: this is minutia. This is getting into the weeds. But 841 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: this is just as this is vital, just like the 842 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: border wall is vital. And it comes from the same 843 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: line of argumentation, which is, are we a country or not? 844 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: Do we respect our citizens or not? And it's very 845 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: clear that the political quest does not. Otherwise you might 846 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 1: have heard Republicans one time step up and actually defend 847 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 1: the Trump administration on including the question, even though the 848 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: question can't be proven that it's going to suppress suppress 849 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 1: response rates, because who should be afraid of answering the 850 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: question Am I a citizen or not? When I check 851 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: the box not, it doesn't say yes, I'm here illegally, 852 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: Come arrest me. So there have been legal fights on 853 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: the definition of persons. It's been inconclusive. There's a legislative 854 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: solution as well. There's a representative from Ohio. His name's 855 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: Warren Davidson. He recently reintroduced a constitutional amendment, the Fair 856 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: Representation Amendment, that a portions representative sole we quote by 857 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: counting the number of persons in each state who are 858 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,319 Speaker 1: citizens of the United States unquote. And here's what he 859 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: says about that. He says, Ohio citizens should not have 860 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: their voices diminished by other states harboring illegal aliens in 861 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,720 Speaker 1: sanctuary cities. Many Americans don't even realize that through current 862 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 1: census practices, non citizens dilute the influence of citizens, especially 863 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: in Ohio and other states with lower non citizen populations. 864 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,879 Speaker 1: The status quo of awarding states greater representation for this 865 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: illegal behavior subverts our Constitution, proper census calculations are needed 866 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: to ensure that every citizens vote counts. Now, this amendment, 867 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,879 Speaker 1: of course, is just going to languish in Speaker Pelosi's House, 868 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: But here's the reality, it also languished in Republican control 869 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 1: at houses. Why is that the case? Why shouldn't this 870 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: fight be had? So I've argued, and in a piece 871 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: that's going to come out for the Federalist shortly, I 872 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: make the case that excluding non citizens from the census 873 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,439 Speaker 1: might be a legal and political loser, given the state 874 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: of today's courts and the political incentives around it. But 875 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: it's incumbent upon those of us who believe in the 876 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 1: rule of law and the sanctity of citizenship to challenge 877 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,319 Speaker 1: the statish quo, both in the courts and in the 878 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: legislative spheres, just as Democrats do on every single matter, 879 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 1: as you're seeing today, for example with the President's National 880 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,240 Speaker 1: Emergency Declaration. I mean, Democrats challenge on every single playing 881 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: field they possibly can. And when do Republicans put up 882 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: fights and what do Republicans put up fights for? As 883 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned before, what do they do in two years 884 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 1: their seminal achievement in that in that Congress was a 885 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: tax reform bill which wasn't even exactly what the president 886 00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,919 Speaker 1: had called for when he ran for office, and clear 887 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,959 Speaker 1: it was not Agenda item number one. They got their priority, 888 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,600 Speaker 1: and they ignored the priorities that the American people had 889 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: called for above all else. So, as I said, members 890 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 1: of the political establishment who cling to the status quo 891 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 1: should be put on record and made to answer the 892 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,359 Speaker 1: following question. 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You 919 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter at bh wine Garden and 920 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: I actually just tweeted out a quick explainer on the 921 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 1: Census citizenship for your reference. Or We've got a bevy 922 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: of callers from the Mid Atlantic region out tonight. Let's 923 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,279 Speaker 1: go to No in Virginia Beach, Virginia. No, you're on 924 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:08,000 Speaker 1: the Buck Sex and Show. Oh hey, then are you know, yeah, 925 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: pretty good. Uh, yeah, that's that's about three years three 926 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,359 Speaker 1: four years ago, Ched Kent did a really good, uh 927 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: exposay on what was Donald Trump or right about birthday 928 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,320 Speaker 1: citizenship and it actually went into the actual the framers 929 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,840 Speaker 1: of the amendment to see what they they went because 930 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: it was very lengthy debate on the Sun floor about it, 931 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 1: and it was a very very very good expersay on it, saying, 932 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 1: you know, basically that the children of illegal aliens are 933 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 1: not subjects to the jurisdiction there of evidence in the amendment, 934 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 1: and because they must be subduct the jurisdiction thereof and 935 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,279 Speaker 1: since the parents are the children are Yeah. No, it's 936 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 1: a it's a question that's been raised in and thanks 937 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: for the call. It's a question that's been raised in 938 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 1: any number of pieces of litigation, and of course the 939 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,359 Speaker 1: left raises great arguments. I think the arguments on our 940 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,080 Speaker 1: side are more compelling. You see conservative legal scholars who 941 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: are very split on this question, and of course usually 942 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,080 Speaker 1: the arguments are in some way former fashion sort of 943 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,640 Speaker 1: tinged by their views on immigration. More broadly, these questions 944 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,680 Speaker 1: really strike at the heart though, of the question of 945 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,840 Speaker 1: who are we as a nation. What did the language 946 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,719 Speaker 1: mean at the time it was written. And I think 947 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,759 Speaker 1: it's very hard to make the argument that subject to 948 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: the jurisdiction thereof doesn't mean subject to the jurisdiction thereof. 949 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,360 Speaker 1: That is, if you came here and your parents weren't 950 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,400 Speaker 1: citizens and you come into this country, whose jurisdiction are 951 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,360 Speaker 1: you subject to? Well, temporarily, of course, you're subject to 952 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: our laws, but that's not the power that typically you're 953 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: governed by. So I think it's a legitimate question. There's 954 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,799 Speaker 1: some great, great arguments out there. You can see on 955 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 1: the federalist Judge Hoe, who's a federal judge out of Texas, 956 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,319 Speaker 1: has written sort of the anti case on birthright citizenship. 957 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,840 Speaker 1: Michael Anton has stirred up the political class in many ways, 958 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:56,480 Speaker 1: but in particular his argument in favor of challenging birthright citizenship. 959 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,000 Speaker 1: And of course the President himself has brought up the question, 960 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 1: perhaps to raise it as a trial balloon and see 961 00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,880 Speaker 1: where the political wins might be. But I think it's 962 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,520 Speaker 1: a legitimate question and it absolutely should be debated. All right, 963 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,520 Speaker 1: let's go to Randy from Richmond, Virginia. Randy, you're on 964 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:15,319 Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton Show. Yes, it's been correct. It is. 965 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,840 Speaker 1: I got several things I want to talk about, but 966 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 1: I just want to want to talk about that. There. 967 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,239 Speaker 1: Mark Laman mentions a lot of times, this is like 968 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,359 Speaker 1: a post constitutent republic, and I really believe that. So 969 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,800 Speaker 1: I think what we're trying to do is save a republic. 970 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,520 Speaker 1: It's already gone. It's been gone for a number of years. 971 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: We just didn't recognize that. That's the first point. Second, 972 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: I feel like what mister Trump is trying to do 973 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,319 Speaker 1: it is not the way to do it. He is 974 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,160 Speaker 1: listening to the wrong advisers. He needs to come out 975 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,720 Speaker 1: to the people and persuade the twenty and thirty million 976 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,360 Speaker 1: people who have not been voting for over forty to 977 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,879 Speaker 1: fifty years. You get them back on side to vote 978 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 1: for liberty. Everything will change overnight, everything. But he too, 979 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,239 Speaker 1: you get those of people engage, You're not We're gonna 980 00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,760 Speaker 1: have the other forty million balloting for having no more liberty, 981 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,480 Speaker 1: others saying they want more socialist. That's what's gonna be 982 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,040 Speaker 1: all with your word more not polarized like the guy 983 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,959 Speaker 1: with Steve Days, and I think it is. He says 984 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,880 Speaker 1: we're balcan eye. That's absolutely correct. We're balcan eyed. We 985 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,319 Speaker 1: have been balcanized for many, many decades, and we'll never 986 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,520 Speaker 1: realized that. We're none starting to realize that only because 987 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 1: we're now engaged in the argument. And not to add 988 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,959 Speaker 1: to that, we have lost the arguments partly because we've 989 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,279 Speaker 1: lost the language. We don't even know what conservative means. 990 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: Conservative meant to be all one time preserved values, preservative 991 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,680 Speaker 1: to liberty, but they wouldn't mean it actually made no 992 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 1: because because it meants with the status quote, what is 993 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,760 Speaker 1: the status quote? It's not liberty, it's tyranny. It's statism, 994 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:51,400 Speaker 1: it's socialism. And we've had a social qualizized quas socialist 995 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,080 Speaker 1: state since the time of FDR really spent the time. 996 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: But Winter Wilson when he gave to the banking institutions 997 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:03,919 Speaker 1: control VERYCA and a COB for that the RS, why 998 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,319 Speaker 1: would they do that? The gato our lives and they've 999 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,759 Speaker 1: been controleing olives. So in the Federal Reserve when they 1000 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,640 Speaker 1: say well we'll go ahead and do this and that 1001 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,279 Speaker 1: say they're CONTROI what our currency? How you remain in 1002 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,520 Speaker 1: our lives? We don't when you do that. The gam 1003 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,279 Speaker 1: Congress gave that over to them their authority, didn't they 1004 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,560 Speaker 1: And you hear they do it again again and again 1005 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,400 Speaker 1: and again. Our enemy has been more of the Congress 1006 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 1: than anything else. But we keep voting on the same 1007 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,480 Speaker 1: people over and over again. Why because they give us 1008 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,120 Speaker 1: stuff like if you're a black person, I vote for 1009 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,040 Speaker 1: that guy over that because they gives me stuck. The 1010 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,800 Speaker 1: gam Press convinced half the people the vote against anything 1011 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,120 Speaker 1: portunity to liberty and vote for more socialism. So they 1012 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: vote in more Democrats to get what more Randy We're 1013 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,800 Speaker 1: gonna have to go to break shortly. I share your passion, 1014 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,399 Speaker 1: and I share your outrage. And actually in the next 1015 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,640 Speaker 1: hour we're gonna talk a little bit about how our 1016 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,720 Speaker 1: constitutional liberal liberties have been eviscerated. The language is stolen. 1017 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,439 Speaker 1: Woodrow Wilson, of course, was the start of all this. 1018 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: This is Ben Weingarten in four Buck Sex and on 1019 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 1: the Buck Sexon show. It for four zero two eight 1020 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:13,520 Speaker 1: two five. Will be right back. This is Ben weinertan 1021 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,840 Speaker 1: in for Buck sexon on the Buck Sexton Show eight 1022 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,800 Speaker 1: for four nine zero zero two eight to five eight 1023 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,360 Speaker 1: for four nine zero zero two eight two five. I've 1024 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,640 Speaker 1: been teasing this for a little bit in just a moment, 1025 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a constitutional scholar, a human trigger warning 1026 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,640 Speaker 1: as I like to call him, to talk a little 1027 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,000 Speaker 1: bit about citizenship, a bit this census question, but also 1028 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 1: the emergency that was declared today, and we'll talk a 1029 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:43,080 Speaker 1: bit about the legal ramifications, what the challenges are likely 1030 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,400 Speaker 1: to be, what the president will do to counter Potentially 1031 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,040 Speaker 1: this should be a fascinating legal battle to watch, in 1032 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,960 Speaker 1: part because it really implicates questions of separation of powers 1033 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,120 Speaker 1: and checks and balances, and in this case, as we'll 1034 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,400 Speaker 1: get to in a moment, here, you have a president. 1035 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,960 Speaker 1: Some will argue taking authority from the legislative branch, but 1036 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,280 Speaker 1: it's authority that the legislative branch delegated to the president 1037 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,760 Speaker 1: and the executive branch, and that's something that has done. 1038 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,439 Speaker 1: It's very commonplace, and you have constitutional conservatives who don't 1039 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,880 Speaker 1: like that necessarily. But what this reflects, as I mentioned 1040 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,800 Speaker 1: at the top of this episode, is the fact that 1041 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,840 Speaker 1: the president has avowed himself of every potential possible option 1042 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,919 Speaker 1: and was left with no choice by the political establishment 1043 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,960 Speaker 1: but to go with this route. And we'll see how 1044 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,560 Speaker 1: it plays out. And again I think this guest will 1045 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,080 Speaker 1: argue in just a sec that the legal authority is there. 1046 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,320 Speaker 1: This is more a political question than anything else. All right, So, 1047 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,480 Speaker 1: without further ado, John you is a human trigger warning 1048 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,760 Speaker 1: for Democrats everywhere. You probably know him as one of 1049 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,000 Speaker 1: the George W. Bush administrations chief legal architects of the 1050 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,960 Speaker 1: so called War on Terror. He currently serves as a 1051 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 1: law professor at Berkeley, where I understand he's very popular 1052 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,480 Speaker 1: on campus. And I should mention that John and I 1053 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,040 Speaker 1: did an interview on a completely different topic, his book 1054 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 1: Striking Power, How cyber robots and space weapons change the 1055 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,640 Speaker 1: rules for war that I think all of you will 1056 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,760 Speaker 1: find quite insightful. We'll tweet it out after the segment 1057 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: without further ado, Professor you, thanks for joining us today, Ben, 1058 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,320 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. And I like this new title, 1059 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,800 Speaker 1: human trigger Warning. I think I should get a what 1060 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,720 Speaker 1: is it a called a Twitter handle or a T 1061 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: shirt T shirt that has that on the front. I 1062 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,800 Speaker 1: love it and should be a right up top on 1063 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:29,160 Speaker 1: your resume as well. All right, so let's jump right 1064 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 1: into it. John, you wrote a piece that I thought 1065 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 1: was exceptional at National Review about a week ago where 1066 00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,840 Speaker 1: you challenge some of the arguments about the president's legal 1067 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,200 Speaker 1: authority to declare a national emergency and use that to 1068 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 1: reallocate funds for purposes of building a wall and supplement 1069 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 1: this one point three seventy five billion that he procured today. 1070 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,760 Speaker 1: What is your best argument for why the president has 1071 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:57,200 Speaker 1: the authority to do this? Well, first, as I think 1072 00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the media are really exactly 1073 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,480 Speaker 1: treating what President Trump has done, of making the argument 1074 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,160 Speaker 1: that it's a constitutional power grab and it's anything. But 1075 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: this is a case where Congress has the law called 1076 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,800 Speaker 1: the National Emergencies Act in nineteen seventy six, and it 1077 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,640 Speaker 1: said when the president issues a national emergency order, then 1078 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,560 Speaker 1: he has to go through the following steps which have occurred. 1079 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,960 Speaker 1: And most importantly, Congress does not sit there and define 1080 01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,680 Speaker 1: what a national emergency is. Instead, it just recognizes that 1081 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:37,080 Speaker 1: has been and is the president's progative. Then step two, 1082 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,960 Speaker 1: and this is the key, is Congress has already passed 1083 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,160 Speaker 1: a series of statutes that say, when there is a 1084 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,840 Speaker 1: national emergency declared by the president, then he can reallocate 1085 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:53,200 Speaker 1: funds from any military construction project to a new one 1086 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,840 Speaker 1: so long as it supports the troops. I think it's 1087 01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,320 Speaker 1: pretty straightforward. Actually, Then that the president has this already. 1088 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,000 Speaker 1: I think I'm afraid what you're seeing is almost a 1089 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:08,560 Speaker 1: Trump double standard. What would be normally approved, upheld, not 1090 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,720 Speaker 1: even controversial under any other president is seen as somehow 1091 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,520 Speaker 1: an attack on the constitution order just because the president's 1092 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,120 Speaker 1: last name is Trump. You know. I think that's actually 1093 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:25,000 Speaker 1: one of the untold stories of this presidency is there's 1094 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,280 Speaker 1: the attack leveled. And I've mentioned this before, Oh, norms 1095 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,720 Speaker 1: are being violated, the institutions are being threatened, the will 1096 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,680 Speaker 1: of the people is being thwarted by this president acting unilaterally. 1097 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,080 Speaker 1: Well actually relative to his predecessors. Can you think of 1098 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,240 Speaker 1: a more constrained president in the sense of judges probably 1099 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,440 Speaker 1: overreaching and the legislative branch really not being helpful in 1100 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:51,000 Speaker 1: any sense. Well, he has been, i think, challenging court 1101 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,720 Speaker 1: to a remarkable level. So you've seen cases where judges 1102 01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,800 Speaker 1: out here where I am in California, Hawaii have blocked 1103 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:07,640 Speaker 1: various policies, and then you have cases where it's taken months, 1104 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,800 Speaker 1: if not a year, for those cases to get to 1105 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,640 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, so that eventually the normal standards are applied. 1106 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 1: So a good example with the travel band, which I 1107 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,120 Speaker 1: think will I think this case about the wall will 1108 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,760 Speaker 1: play out very similarly to the travel band case. There 1109 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,880 Speaker 1: you had courts out and why here block abuse of 1110 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,760 Speaker 1: presidential power again given to him by Congress, that previous 1111 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:38,360 Speaker 1: presidents had used regularly to regulate the flow of immigrants 1112 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,240 Speaker 1: into the United States. And then it took you had 1113 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,560 Speaker 1: to go all Trump had to go all the way 1114 01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,440 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court to get the regular powers that 1115 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:52,040 Speaker 1: presidents exercise recognized and improved. And it's worth noting, of course, 1116 01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,600 Speaker 1: that in matters of national security, the president is typically 1117 01:02:55,640 --> 01:03:00,600 Speaker 1: provided wide latitude under the Constitution. Oh yes, and you know, 1118 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,040 Speaker 1: as you know, Ben, you you know you interviewed peoplefore 1119 01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:08,400 Speaker 1: about my other books. The Constitution put aside these congressional statutes. 1120 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,520 Speaker 1: But the Constitution created the presidency. The framers wanted the 1121 01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,800 Speaker 1: president to be a single person exactly so he could 1122 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:20,400 Speaker 1: act quickly and decisively in response to emergencies. This is 1123 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,080 Speaker 1: this is what Congress itself acknowledges when it gives the 1124 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,240 Speaker 1: president these kinds of broad powers by statute to act 1125 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,960 Speaker 1: in times of emergencies. So it's not a case where 1126 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,800 Speaker 1: the president and Congress disagree. This is a case actually 1127 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 1: where Congress has handed these powers to the president to 1128 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,760 Speaker 1: amplify his powers and make it easier for him to 1129 01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,160 Speaker 1: act in time of emergency. Now, I'm sure there's going 1130 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,360 Speaker 1: to be some sort of absurd argument made about what 1131 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:50,120 Speaker 1: is the definition of an emergency? And then does a 1132 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 1: judge get to overrule a president in the president's judgment 1133 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,800 Speaker 1: about what an emergency is? Is there any merit to 1134 01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,400 Speaker 1: an argument like that or do you see probably a 1135 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,160 Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit judge saying yes, there is a problem to it, 1136 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:07,160 Speaker 1: and the Supreme Court overruling that rationale. It's a great question. 1137 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,800 Speaker 1: You know, what you're asking is what the law is 1138 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,480 Speaker 1: and then predicting what some wild judge might do. So Unfortunately, 1139 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,720 Speaker 1: I think you're right, there's scott to be one judge 1140 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,160 Speaker 1: out there in the eight hundred federal judges in our 1141 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,560 Speaker 1: country who will strike this down, who just like the 1142 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,240 Speaker 1: judges struck down the travel Then I think they're going 1143 01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,680 Speaker 1: to be judges who misread the law just because they 1144 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,440 Speaker 1: want to stop Trump in any of these initiatives. But 1145 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,520 Speaker 1: then what the actual law says is that courts aren't 1146 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:44,480 Speaker 1: supposed to second guess the president in determining national emergency. 1147 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,440 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court has never substituted its judgment for the 1148 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:54,120 Speaker 1: presidents about whether a national emergency exists. The only question 1149 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,000 Speaker 1: is how much power can the president exercise if there 1150 01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,520 Speaker 1: isn't once he declares an emergency. And there is a 1151 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,640 Speaker 1: case from the nineteen fifties called Youngstown Sheet and Stealing Tube, 1152 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,320 Speaker 1: where President Truman declared a national emergency occur over the 1153 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,720 Speaker 1: Korean War, but then he tried to nationalize the steal 1154 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,320 Speaker 1: industry basically run a large sector of our economy. And this, 1155 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,480 Speaker 1: I think is very different from that. This is a 1156 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 1: case not where President Trump is claiming, oh, I can 1157 01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:26,640 Speaker 1: run the economy because of the border. But it's what 1158 01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,280 Speaker 1: he said, congress Or Ray said, I can move money 1159 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,200 Speaker 1: from one account to another to build military facilities. Is 1160 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,320 Speaker 1: much narrower power, not even really involving any claim of 1161 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,680 Speaker 1: constitutional authority by President Trump. But that said, and I 1162 01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,520 Speaker 1: expect the Supreme Court would uphold the president. That said, 1163 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,520 Speaker 1: I can't discount the possibility there's some trial judge in 1164 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,920 Speaker 1: San Francisco or Honolulu or Seattle who be willing to 1165 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,760 Speaker 1: try to throw the way to the courts against the 1166 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 1: president and spark a constitutional confrontation. Yeah, it strikes me 1167 01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,160 Speaker 1: actually since you raisetown steel, which all of those who 1168 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,080 Speaker 1: are critics of this policy ray, is that Youngstown is 1169 01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,840 Speaker 1: actually probably the right response to those who say President 1170 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,600 Speaker 1: Trump is creating a precedent that will allow some future 1171 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,920 Speaker 1: Democratic president to impose the New Green Deal by decree, 1172 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,480 Speaker 1: that Youngstown is actually probably a better analog for that 1173 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,480 Speaker 1: than this case. Do you see that as well? I mean, 1174 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:24,000 Speaker 1: I understand the worries of my conservative friends who say, 1175 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,480 Speaker 1: aren't you creating a precedent for you know, President Warren 1176 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,960 Speaker 1: or President Kamala Harris declaring a national emergency and then 1177 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:36,920 Speaker 1: eliminating fossil fuel imports and forcing electrification of all and 1178 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,760 Speaker 1: the slaughter of all cowns Exactly? Well, I believe it 1179 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,680 Speaker 1: was certain kinds of cows keep it in, as it were. 1180 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,880 Speaker 1: So you know the problem is that, you know, one 1181 01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:53,040 Speaker 1: it does say emergency. An emergency does imply an event 1182 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,880 Speaker 1: or something happening. So you couldn't declare national emergency about 1183 01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:01,240 Speaker 1: the weather or crime levels or you know, poverty. You know, 1184 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,040 Speaker 1: it's not a consistent social condition. It would have to 1185 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,080 Speaker 1: be something happening, and you're responding to something happening otherwise 1186 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,240 Speaker 1: than you're just you're not talking about an emergency. And 1187 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,640 Speaker 1: then second, as you say, this is more like Youngstown, 1188 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,280 Speaker 1: because again the question is what powers are you allowed 1189 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,160 Speaker 1: to exercise? Here? You're just talking about transferring money from 1190 01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,880 Speaker 1: one military construction account to another. It's kind of boring 1191 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,280 Speaker 1: federal budget accounting in a way. You know, these people 1192 01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,000 Speaker 1: were about a green New Deal and might let me 1193 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:36,040 Speaker 1: add I can't see President Harris or President Warrenson. Oh, 1194 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,000 Speaker 1: because President Trump did not declare national emergency over the wall. 1195 01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to restrain myself now. You know, I don't 1196 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,280 Speaker 1: think anything President Trump does is going to act as 1197 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,440 Speaker 1: some kind of restraint on what a future Warrant or 1198 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,760 Speaker 1: Harris presidency will do. But you know, there's a big 1199 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,520 Speaker 1: difference because they don't have any delegated power from Congress 1200 01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:00,560 Speaker 1: to force electrification of all of our energy and the 1201 01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,600 Speaker 1: end of use of fossil fuels and all the other 1202 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,560 Speaker 1: wild dreams they have in the screen New Deal project 1203 01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,160 Speaker 1: and the way I see it, and this is as 1204 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,320 Speaker 1: a layman talking here, you know, the delegation question is 1205 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,920 Speaker 1: really what this all kind of comes down to in 1206 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,679 Speaker 1: the final analysis, So is you've described it as sort 1207 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,599 Speaker 1: of transferring funds from one account to another that had 1208 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,080 Speaker 1: already been earmarked for the executive branch. Effectively, is there 1209 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,639 Speaker 1: an argument that certain provisions of the National Emergency Act 1210 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:32,479 Speaker 1: are unconstitutional because Congress is delegating powers It has no 1211 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,880 Speaker 1: right to delegate. Ie. Congress exists to make laws and 1212 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,919 Speaker 1: appropriate funds, and it isn't the president's job to basically 1213 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,639 Speaker 1: be able to have that power handed to him. Again, 1214 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,040 Speaker 1: I think this is a people like I've read commentary 1215 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,960 Speaker 1: some you know, people who are conservatives, you know, like 1216 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,519 Speaker 1: a Rampaul for example. I'm sorry, rand Pall, not a Rompall, 1217 01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,200 Speaker 1: a Rampaul for example. I think they're completely misreading this. 1218 01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,800 Speaker 1: You know, they're making this claim, Oh, the president is 1219 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,879 Speaker 1: seizing authority to use the power of the purse. It's anything. 1220 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,719 Speaker 1: But you know, if it had been like Lincoln, who 1221 01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,599 Speaker 1: actually at the start of the Civil War went into 1222 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,200 Speaker 1: the treasuring took money out without any congressional act, then 1223 01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,519 Speaker 1: you would have that argument. But this is a case 1224 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,160 Speaker 1: where Congress already put money in the pot and it 1225 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:24,280 Speaker 1: said spend it on military construction, billions of dollars, and 1226 01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,839 Speaker 1: then the president said, and then Congress says, under certain conditions, 1227 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,040 Speaker 1: you can move it from one project to the next. 1228 01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,680 Speaker 1: The money's already been appropriated by Congress, the purse has 1229 01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,960 Speaker 1: already been opened, and in fact then Congress already recognized 1230 01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,240 Speaker 1: the authority of a president to move it around. So 1231 01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,560 Speaker 1: I think you know, these claims that the president is 1232 01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,160 Speaker 1: evading the power of the purse taking away congress urs 1233 01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,919 Speaker 1: this is anything, But this is an area where Congress 1234 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,680 Speaker 1: wanted the president to have this power and gave it 1235 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:58,240 Speaker 1: away willingly. One of the attacks on the president's power, 1236 01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,479 Speaker 1: and we'll have to leave it at this question, but 1237 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,360 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your take on it. One of 1238 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,000 Speaker 1: the biggest assaults on his power during this presidency has 1239 01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:11,120 Speaker 1: been the use of universal or nationwide injunctions, where effectively 1240 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,680 Speaker 1: one in six hundred judges in federal courts across the 1241 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:19,240 Speaker 1: country can say, my judgment overrules the president's judgment, and 1242 01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:24,240 Speaker 1: thus a decision some kind of executive action will be 1243 01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:28,519 Speaker 1: vacated or stalled put on hold for everyone in the country. 1244 01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,640 Speaker 1: So one judge who has jurisdiction in one particular area, 1245 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,920 Speaker 1: their ruling applies to everyone nationwide. And this has of 1246 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,559 Speaker 1: course happened with the travel ban and in series of 1247 01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,960 Speaker 1: other instances as well. In response to that travel band case, 1248 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:45,280 Speaker 1: Justice Clarence Thomas, one of your former bosses, challenge the 1249 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:50,200 Speaker 1: notion that universal injunctions are necessarily constitutional, that there wasn't 1250 01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,640 Speaker 1: really a historical precedent for them. They're sort of a 1251 01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:57,080 Speaker 1: new creation, and frankly, he thinks that a president or 1252 01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:00,160 Speaker 1: some other party may have to challenge them to the 1253 01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,880 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I agree with him. Frankly, my question would be, 1254 01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,720 Speaker 1: is there a way do you believe that universal injunctions 1255 01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:11,920 Speaker 1: can be killed? Well, first, I agree with Justice Thomas, 1256 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,040 Speaker 1: who has I have to say, excellent taste in his hires. 1257 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,400 Speaker 1: But I have to say, Josice Thomas, I think is 1258 01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:21,559 Speaker 1: right on this, and I think it's fairly straightforward. A court, 1259 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,000 Speaker 1: like a district court like the ones here, have power 1260 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,320 Speaker 1: only over the people who appear before in its territory. 1261 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,760 Speaker 1: Sole San Francisco's territory of its courts is only the 1262 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,960 Speaker 1: northern part of California. They don't have, I think, the 1263 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,280 Speaker 1: authority to tell the entire federal government. God, I'm sorry, 1264 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to cut it right there. We will 1265 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,040 Speaker 1: have you back, and we will finish this conversation. And 1266 01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:45,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. This was John Yu and this is 1267 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,320 Speaker 1: Ben Weingarten in four Buck Sexon on the Buck Sex 1268 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,519 Speaker 1: and Show eight four four nine zero zero two eight 1269 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:56,000 Speaker 1: two five will be right back. This is the Buck 1270 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,040 Speaker 1: Sexon Show and this is Ben Weingarten in four Buck 1271 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,280 Speaker 1: Sexton ones. Open it for four nine zero zero to 1272 01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,880 Speaker 1: eight to five. You can follow me on Twitter at 1273 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,040 Speaker 1: bh Winegarden. Let's go to the phone here, Let's go 1274 01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,680 Speaker 1: to Charlie in Ocean City, Maryland. Charlie, you're on the 1275 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,959 Speaker 1: Buck Sex and Show. Thanks for taking my call, Arabn. 1276 01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:21,120 Speaker 1: I just I'm a little older senior citizen, but I 1277 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:26,920 Speaker 1: followed politics pretty well and I'm a conservative, and I'm 1278 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,439 Speaker 1: not ashamed of that. I think a lot of our 1279 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:39,760 Speaker 1: supposed conservative Republicans don't really vote that way. And my 1280 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,840 Speaker 1: question to you is, since you guys had such a 1281 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:49,640 Speaker 1: big voice, why can't we public they're voting, whether it 1282 01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,839 Speaker 1: be in the Senate or into Congress and make it public. 1283 01:12:54,479 --> 01:13:00,320 Speaker 1: Because all politicians, once they get into office, they're most 1284 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:07,439 Speaker 1: prioritize vision is reelection and if we start publishing how 1285 01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:13,280 Speaker 1: they vote, then they will be more aware of their voters, 1286 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,040 Speaker 1: which is me. Charlie thanks for the cause. So I 1287 01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,200 Speaker 1: think the idea here is sort of name and shame. 1288 01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,960 Speaker 1: Pull out the ten most vital votes and let's get 1289 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,640 Speaker 1: everyone on record, and let's put it out there. And 1290 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,920 Speaker 1: you know what I would suggest to you, Charlie, is, 1291 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,040 Speaker 1: like you said, the first role of politics is win. 1292 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,120 Speaker 1: The second role politics is win reelection. And for folks 1293 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,879 Speaker 1: in the House, they continue to sort of hoodwink voters. 1294 01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,479 Speaker 1: And part of this is that who do they really 1295 01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,680 Speaker 1: answer to? Ultimately they ultimately answer to their donors. And 1296 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,800 Speaker 1: you have every once in a blue moon, you know, 1297 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,760 Speaker 1: someone like a Dave of Brad who comes out and 1298 01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,920 Speaker 1: wins on principles and ideology. The best thing that we 1299 01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,120 Speaker 1: can do long term isn't any one particular election. We 1300 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,000 Speaker 1: have to take back the real institutions, the institutions that 1301 01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:02,040 Speaker 1: build civil society. Our full sure, our schools are media 1302 01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,320 Speaker 1: that should be our hundred year project. 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This is ben Wine 1324 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,040 Speaker 1: Garden in four Buck Sexon here at the top of 1325 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,240 Speaker 1: our three dialing numbers eight four four nine zero zero 1326 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,439 Speaker 1: two eight to five, and you can follow me on 1327 01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,639 Speaker 1: Twitter at bh wine Garden right in the past couple hours, 1328 01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,320 Speaker 1: we talked a lot about sovereignty citizenship, and I mentioned 1329 01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,640 Speaker 1: that this census citizenship question is really intrinsic to the 1330 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,599 Speaker 1: entire broader argument, and it's being challenged in mitigation right now, 1331 01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,040 Speaker 1: which we found out today is headed up to the 1332 01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,400 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Jay Chrishan Adams serve from two thousand and 1333 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,519 Speaker 1: five to twenty ten and the Voting Section at the 1334 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,040 Speaker 1: United States Department of Justice, so he knows a little 1335 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,360 Speaker 1: thing or two about the Voting Rights Act and why 1336 01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,920 Speaker 1: the census citizenship question is relevant to it. Today he's 1337 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,080 Speaker 1: President in General Council of the Public Interest Legal Foundation 1338 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,680 Speaker 1: known as PILF, which has filed amicus curi briefs alongside 1339 01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,439 Speaker 1: the Commerce Department, both in the New York federal case 1340 01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,559 Speaker 1: and now at the Supreme Court is where that New 1341 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,559 Speaker 1: York case has been punted to. Christian Adams joins us. Now, Christian, 1342 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:08,120 Speaker 1: how are you, sir? I'm great glad to be here. Well, 1343 01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,599 Speaker 1: it's my pleasure and thanks for all the great work 1344 01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,080 Speaker 1: that PILF does. Let's get right to it. I think 1345 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:18,040 Speaker 1: that this case of census citizenship is a perfect microcosm 1346 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:22,720 Speaker 1: for how the left uses lawfare to pursue its policy objectives. 1347 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,240 Speaker 1: And let's start with a very basic question about this 1348 01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:28,280 Speaker 1: New York federal case, which is who filed the case 1349 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,000 Speaker 1: against the Trump administration and did they have a right 1350 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,280 Speaker 1: to be heard? That is, did they have standing? Oh, 1351 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,080 Speaker 1: my gracious, who filed? Well, remember, there's a whole bunch 1352 01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:42,960 Speaker 1: of cases happening at one time. You have you have 1353 01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,840 Speaker 1: you have a tax going on in California, in Maryland. 1354 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,679 Speaker 1: These obviously came out of New York. You have groups 1355 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,679 Speaker 1: like the Legal Women Voters, you have you have other 1356 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:59,040 Speaker 1: organizations who all want to stop all want to stop 1357 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:05,679 Speaker 1: the the census, stop the Census from actually getting real 1358 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:10,080 Speaker 1: scientific data about the number of non citizens who live 1359 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:15,360 Speaker 1: in the United States. It's it's just an astonishing You know, 1360 01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,479 Speaker 1: we hear all the time about science and how one 1361 01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,080 Speaker 1: party is the party of science. Well, here's an example 1362 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,400 Speaker 1: where somebody doesn't want the truth about what's happening out there. 1363 01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,800 Speaker 1: So let's go to the substance of the case. You know, 1364 01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,639 Speaker 1: the argument is made that by having this question essentially 1365 01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,639 Speaker 1: are you a citizen or not? And the only box 1366 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,120 Speaker 1: if you're in the not category is no, not a citizen. 1367 01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:41,800 Speaker 1: So in other words, you don't out yourself as an 1368 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:46,280 Speaker 1: illegal alien potentially, but more broadly, why is it imperative 1369 01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:50,760 Speaker 1: that the government have accurate accounts of citizens and non citizens? Right? 1370 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:57,080 Speaker 1: The reason that the Trump administration offered is that it 1371 01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:00,400 Speaker 1: helps enforce the voting right Tack the Voting Right Attact, 1372 01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,559 Speaker 1: of course, prevents discrimination in voting. And I can tell 1373 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,120 Speaker 1: you from very first hand experience that that is the 1374 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:13,320 Speaker 1: truth that when you have citizenship data and you're preparing 1375 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,280 Speaker 1: a voting rights at case, you have a better case. 1376 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,440 Speaker 1: How do I know this because I do it repeatedly. 1377 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,320 Speaker 1: I won a case in federal court very recently as 1378 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,840 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, in the United States District Court 1379 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:30,000 Speaker 1: for Guam. I'm actually in representing an Air Force retire 1380 01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,120 Speaker 1: Air Force major in Guam who was denied the right 1381 01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,599 Speaker 1: to vote because he was not a native tomorrow. And 1382 01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:41,240 Speaker 1: we were able to prove that this law was racially 1383 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:46,040 Speaker 1: discriminatory in its intent because of the senses data from 1384 01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,080 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty and I won't trouble you with all the 1385 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,400 Speaker 1: ins and outs of that was very important that year 1386 01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,240 Speaker 1: because that's when Guam became a territory with the people 1387 01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,439 Speaker 1: they're getting rights as citizenship. So we were able to 1388 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,960 Speaker 1: figure out how many people were citizens and not citizens 1389 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,479 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty because the census asked that question. But 1390 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,120 Speaker 1: that's only one example. When I was at the Justice 1391 01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,720 Speaker 1: Department and I was bringing voting rights at cases, one 1392 01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,760 Speaker 1: of the things you would put in your initial complaint 1393 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,600 Speaker 1: was the citizen population. Now, the problem is that in 1394 01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,640 Speaker 1: most places in the country that's an estimate because you 1395 01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,040 Speaker 1: don't have the real data. Because remember that's what those 1396 01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,519 Speaker 1: fights all about, and so we would have to make 1397 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:32,040 Speaker 1: guesses sometimes, and getting citizenship data in the next senses 1398 01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,840 Speaker 1: will help him enforce the Voting Rights Act. YEA. So 1399 01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,160 Speaker 1: this judge who Obama appointed judge in the Southern District 1400 01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,080 Speaker 1: of New York, he says in his opinion that the 1401 01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:47,920 Speaker 1: census citizenship question is quote unquote not inconsistent with the Constitution. Ie, 1402 01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,639 Speaker 1: there's not really a constitutional argument against asking something as 1403 01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,240 Speaker 1: basic as are you a citizen or not? His beef, 1404 01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:58,960 Speaker 1: if I'm reading the opinion correctly, is with how Commerce 1405 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,519 Speaker 1: Secretary Wilber came to his decision, and then basically questioning 1406 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:06,320 Speaker 1: his judgment altogether. How is it possible that a judge 1407 01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,960 Speaker 1: can substitute his wisdom for the person to whom the 1408 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,679 Speaker 1: power is delegated here in this case, the Commerce Secretary. Right, 1409 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:18,040 Speaker 1: the Congress has specifically delegated this power to do the 1410 01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:22,240 Speaker 1: citizenship to do all the senses questions to Commerce Secretary 1411 01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,960 Speaker 1: Wilbur Ross. But you know what, the New York Immigration Coalition, 1412 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,200 Speaker 1: who's the plaintiff in that case, doesn't like that. So 1413 01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,680 Speaker 1: what they had to do was form shop go to 1414 01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:39,120 Speaker 1: Manhattan to find a judge who who apparently thinks that 1415 01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,880 Speaker 1: the President can be second guest on this no matter 1416 01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:47,880 Speaker 1: what Congress said to the contrary. And so what the 1417 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,440 Speaker 1: plaintiffs are saying is, hey, you didn't listen to the bureaucrats. 1418 01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,880 Speaker 1: You know, this is just a pretext. You're supposed to 1419 01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:58,599 Speaker 1: listen to the bureaucrats. You're supposed to basically do whatever 1420 01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,920 Speaker 1: the New York Immigration Coalition once, or they're going to 1421 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,640 Speaker 1: take you to court. And thank goodness, we have a 1422 01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,080 Speaker 1: Supreme Court now that is almost certainly likely to uphold 1423 01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:13,120 Speaker 1: the citizenship question. Yeah, this judge in New York essentially 1424 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:17,000 Speaker 1: struck down the citizenship question on the basis of the 1425 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,439 Speaker 1: administrative Procedures Act. In other words, the way that the 1426 01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,519 Speaker 1: Commerce Secretary came to his decision and what that decision 1427 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,599 Speaker 1: ultimately was. Do you think that case holds up at 1428 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,000 Speaker 1: all when it gets to the Supreme Court. No. I 1429 01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,479 Speaker 1: think what will happen is the Supreme Court justices who 1430 01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:37,479 Speaker 1: are very familiar with the exercises, simply reading what the 1431 01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,320 Speaker 1: laws says. Right. The law says that the Commerce Secretary 1432 01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:47,360 Speaker 1: has the authority to write the census questions, full stop. Okay, 1433 01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,960 Speaker 1: that's all you need to decide this case is to 1434 01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,839 Speaker 1: look at the law and see who has the power 1435 01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,439 Speaker 1: to write the census questions under a law passed by 1436 01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,920 Speaker 1: the Congress and signed by the President. That's the kind 1437 01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,200 Speaker 1: of basic stuff we learned in Schoolhouse Rock. When the 1438 01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:06,680 Speaker 1: laws passed, it is a law and we have to 1439 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,519 Speaker 1: follow it. But these days up is down and in 1440 01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,679 Speaker 1: is out. And this judge sided with the New York 1441 01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:18,200 Speaker 1: Immigration Coalition. Last question on this, and I think this 1442 01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,719 Speaker 1: really gets to the core of a much bigger argument 1443 01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,280 Speaker 1: which hasn't been made yet, but I believe should be made. 1444 01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:25,880 Speaker 1: And I'm going to argue in a piece coming out 1445 01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,800 Speaker 1: soon at the Federalists that it must be made. The 1446 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:33,800 Speaker 1: reality here is that non citizens essentially empower certain citizens 1447 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:38,560 Speaker 1: politically and disempower other citizens politically, because, as I've discussed 1448 01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,519 Speaker 1: earlier in this episode tonight, apportionment is determined based upon 1449 01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:47,280 Speaker 1: total population count ie citizens and non citizens, as well 1450 01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,719 Speaker 1: as the allocation of hundreds of billions of federal dollars 1451 01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:53,200 Speaker 1: are dictated based upon total population count. And it goes 1452 01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:57,200 Speaker 1: to this question of the definition of people the enumeration 1453 01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:01,160 Speaker 1: both in the Constitution and then in the fourteenth Amendment. 1454 01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,280 Speaker 1: In your view, is there a legal case to be 1455 01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:08,760 Speaker 1: made for defining people as citizens, period, full stop, and 1456 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,200 Speaker 1: is it being made? Well, Okay, now we're talking about 1457 01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,320 Speaker 1: a number of different things. Just to be clear, Apportionment 1458 01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:20,840 Speaker 1: is how many congressional seats each state gets, Okay, and 1459 01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,360 Speaker 1: so far they've used total population. It does say people 1460 01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,680 Speaker 1: in the Constitution, So the question is is that citizens 1461 01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,120 Speaker 1: non citizens are both. What I think is also very 1462 01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,240 Speaker 1: fascinating is when it comes to redistricting, you talk about 1463 01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:40,320 Speaker 1: political impacts all over the country. There are people elected 1464 01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:45,959 Speaker 1: to office who are elected solely because because they're counting 1465 01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,479 Speaker 1: non citizens for drawing the district lines for things like 1466 01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:55,559 Speaker 1: school board, county council, state legislatures. Who's getting screwed by this? 1467 01:23:55,720 --> 01:24:00,240 Speaker 1: For example, African Americans in Los Angeles. African Americans in 1468 01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:05,560 Speaker 1: Los Angeles have been losing political power and political seats 1469 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,080 Speaker 1: on council over the last twenty years because of the 1470 01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:13,559 Speaker 1: influx of illegal aliens into Los Angeles and the fact 1471 01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:18,040 Speaker 1: that they're being counted for the purpose of drawing district 1472 01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:22,400 Speaker 1: lines for school board and council seats, and so what's 1473 01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,439 Speaker 1: happened is African Americans have been squeezed out. Here's how 1474 01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,080 Speaker 1: that works. Let's say you need one hundred thousand people 1475 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,840 Speaker 1: in each district. Okay, it's probably more than that, but 1476 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,080 Speaker 1: we'll just take it. For an example, if you need 1477 01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,839 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people in a Hispanic district in Los Angeles, 1478 01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:41,240 Speaker 1: there might be seventy thousand citizen Hispanics and thirty thousand 1479 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,679 Speaker 1: non citizens. But in that African American district, where they're 1480 01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:48,200 Speaker 1: almost all citizens, it's going to take a hundred thousand citizens. 1481 01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,719 Speaker 1: So Hispanic seat gets created under the Voting Rights Act 1482 01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:56,679 Speaker 1: because there's seventy thousand Hispanic citizens, and a African American 1483 01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,479 Speaker 1: seat gets created only after there's one hundred thousand see 1484 01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:04,000 Speaker 1: see what happens. It's a political subsidy to areas with 1485 01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,760 Speaker 1: high alien populations. Last question, real quick before I let 1486 01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,479 Speaker 1: you go, because you've been doing great work on this 1487 01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,439 Speaker 1: HR one, the first bill put forth in the new 1488 01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,080 Speaker 1: Democratic House. Tell our listeners what they need to know 1489 01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:20,000 Speaker 1: about HR one. This is Nancy Pelosi's top priority. It 1490 01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,680 Speaker 1: takes every bad idea about elections and makes it a 1491 01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:28,679 Speaker 1: federal mandate. Takes all of the nonsense from California, just everything. 1492 01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:32,040 Speaker 1: It stripped states of their powers to run their own elections. 1493 01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:38,040 Speaker 1: It federalizes all state elections into one centralized control. It's 1494 01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,599 Speaker 1: their top priority. It is their number one priority. It's 1495 01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:45,120 Speaker 1: a disaster Christian On that sunny note, we'll leave it 1496 01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,360 Speaker 1: right there. Thanks so much for coming on. Appreciate all 1497 01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:49,960 Speaker 1: your great work. This has Ben Wangaran in for Buck 1498 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,599 Speaker 1: Sexon on the Buck Sexon Show eight four four nine 1499 01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,160 Speaker 1: zero zero two eight two five will be right back. 1500 01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,479 Speaker 1: By now. You've probably heard Buck talk about snippy dot 1501 01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,439 Speaker 1: com new social media website. 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That's eight four four nine zero zero 1519 01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:02,800 Speaker 1: to eight two five. All right, we're gonna go to 1520 01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,320 Speaker 1: the phone lines real quick, and I understand we have 1521 01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:10,639 Speaker 1: a one Robert Francis O'Rourke from El Paso, Texas joining us. 1522 01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,760 Speaker 1: Robert Francis, You're on the Buck Sexton Show. Hello, Benn, 1523 01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,920 Speaker 1: how are you I'm well, I'm well, mister a roork 1524 01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,920 Speaker 1: how are you, sir? I'm okay then, But I just 1525 01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,840 Speaker 1: like I just don't understand, like like why don't you 1526 01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,240 Speaker 1: open your heart the way that we should open the borders? 1527 01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,719 Speaker 1: Like I just I just want to know, like do 1528 01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:31,120 Speaker 1: you do you just not want like your heart to 1529 01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,760 Speaker 1: be full of love and immigrants. There's room in your 1530 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:37,360 Speaker 1: honor for immigrants, So representative of ROURK, I want to 1531 01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,400 Speaker 1: ask you about that. If you were elected president, would 1532 01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:45,919 Speaker 1: your first act be to tear down every wall? Absolutely? 1533 01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:47,800 Speaker 1: I want to tear down walls the same way then 1534 01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,840 Speaker 1: I want to tear down the barriers between people when 1535 01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,640 Speaker 1: like it's just time to give out hugs at a 1536 01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,519 Speaker 1: rally that like maybe has thirty or forty people down 1537 01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,600 Speaker 1: the street from a Trump rally with like fifteen or 1538 01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:04,360 Speaker 1: twenty thousand people. And I just also, I don't know 1539 01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,360 Speaker 1: if you know this, man, because I know you're a 1540 01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,960 Speaker 1: conservative and you think you know things, but perhaps like 1541 01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,679 Speaker 1: when you build walls and you're skateboarding, you can run 1542 01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:18,320 Speaker 1: into those walls. That's about that is a valid point 1543 01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,720 Speaker 1: that now it is valid that actually it is no, no, no, 1544 01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,160 Speaker 1: Can I ask you to the extent to which you're 1545 01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:28,040 Speaker 1: not living on the streets of Brooklyn these days. Do 1546 01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,599 Speaker 1: you have walls surrounding you when you're abode right now, 1547 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,559 Speaker 1: then let me explain something, okay, because when I'm the 1548 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,600 Speaker 1: next president, I just don't want to have to go 1549 01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:40,080 Speaker 1: over the same ground because I'm very busy. That's why 1550 01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,479 Speaker 1: I have to do social media while people see my 1551 01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,240 Speaker 1: root canal happening. And I just feel like it's time 1552 01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,720 Speaker 1: for people to understand that, yes, I'm maybe a mare 1553 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,559 Speaker 1: into a family that is worth like a cool four 1554 01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:57,080 Speaker 1: or five hundred million dollars, but I'm totally normal. And 1555 01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,479 Speaker 1: the compound in which I live, like when we go 1556 01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:04,040 Speaker 1: see like Papa and Mama and like say, are flying 1557 01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,839 Speaker 1: us in with helicopters? Of course there's walls, ben because 1558 01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:11,439 Speaker 1: like we're really important. Now, let me ask you something, 1559 01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:15,759 Speaker 1: because you went through many trials and tribuations in your life, 1560 01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,680 Speaker 1: what was the toughest thing about being a nanny on 1561 01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:23,719 Speaker 1: the Upper West Side of New York following your ivlegue education. Well, 1562 01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,479 Speaker 1: it's hard because like when you're a left wing sex 1563 01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,240 Speaker 1: symbol like I am, like you know, the people like 1564 01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,759 Speaker 1: ladies just come over and they're like, oh my god, Pato, 1565 01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,720 Speaker 1: you're going to stop climate change? And also I need 1566 01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:40,160 Speaker 1: to see your washboard apps. I'd be like, excuse me, first, 1567 01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,519 Speaker 1: are we going to bring down the climate one degree 1568 01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,240 Speaker 1: centigrade or not? And if they said yes, then obviously 1569 01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:50,439 Speaker 1: they could see my abdominal bless you may be the 1570 01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:54,400 Speaker 1: cause of global warming yourself. Actually, I think that's a 1571 01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,600 Speaker 1: fair point. And I just also want to say, band man, congratulations, 1572 01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,320 Speaker 1: I'll do it a great show, my friend, thank you 1573 01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,760 Speaker 1: so much for hope. The team is loving it, and 1574 01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:03,479 Speaker 1: I'm let you get back to it, all right. I 1575 01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,400 Speaker 1: appreciate it. But I was going to ask you, you know, 1576 01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,200 Speaker 1: do you think that the claim that Beato is cultural 1577 01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:11,599 Speaker 1: appropriation holds any water. I'm curious to see your thoughts 1578 01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:16,160 Speaker 1: on that. Uh is the cultural appropriation for millennials or 1579 01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,840 Speaker 1: is a cultural creation for a guy that uses a 1580 01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,080 Speaker 1: Hispanic nickname because he thinks it makes him sound cool. 1581 01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, when he's running against the Cuban. 1582 01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,880 Speaker 1: I leave this stuff to you. I have a great rest. 1583 01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm flying up the lines. You got people in the 1584 01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,599 Speaker 1: team calling in. Let me, let me let you get 1585 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,160 Speaker 1: back to you with my friend thank you so much 1586 01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,439 Speaker 1: for all your great work. Brother. I'll talk to you soon. Well, 1587 01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,400 Speaker 1: thank you for letting me fill your big shoes, Buck 1588 01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:38,880 Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. And that's a hell of a 1589 01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,519 Speaker 1: Beato impression, folks. He may be more likable than the 1590 01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,680 Speaker 1: actual Robert Francis O. Rourke. All Right, we're gonna go 1591 01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,559 Speaker 1: take one quick call and then we're gonna have to 1592 01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,960 Speaker 1: hit a break. Let's go to Don in Mobile, Alabama. 1593 01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,559 Speaker 1: Don you want to talk about the new Green Deal something. 1594 01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,120 Speaker 1: Beata L. Rourke surely is a fan of you. Are 1595 01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:58,519 Speaker 1: on the buck sex and show. Yeah, absolutely, Ben and 1596 01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,280 Speaker 1: uh let buck No, we need to start saying shields higher. 1597 01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:06,080 Speaker 1: I think, um, yeah, I've got a little, a little 1598 01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,760 Speaker 1: quick thing. I want to run by everybody. Magnetic propulsion 1599 01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:14,840 Speaker 1: train system from San Diego to probably somewhere around Brownsville, 1600 01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:18,439 Speaker 1: Texas runs along the border of the US Mexican border. 1601 01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,360 Speaker 1: The Democrats can start their pilot project for the Green 1602 01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:26,120 Speaker 1: New Deal. Let Trump have his money to build his 1603 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:33,160 Speaker 1: steel magnetic propulsion system. They can put their bullet train 1604 01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:37,519 Speaker 1: on top of it and they can travel from San 1605 01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:41,400 Speaker 1: Diego to Brownsville, and then they could start their oversea 1606 01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:46,240 Speaker 1: probably I don't know, maybe Costa Rica. You know, the 1607 01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,559 Speaker 1: train system they're talking about. They must have some kind 1608 01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,240 Speaker 1: of technology that we just don't know about yet, about 1609 01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:54,640 Speaker 1: doing away with aircraft and automobiles, and you know, I 1610 01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:56,920 Speaker 1: just thought that might be something we could, you know, 1611 01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,439 Speaker 1: ask Buck about what do you think? Well, yeah, and 1612 01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, probably for less than seventy seven billion dollars 1613 01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:05,280 Speaker 1: as well, which, oh, by the way, in California they 1614 01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:08,680 Speaker 1: failed to build a train from La to San Francisco. 1615 01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:14,120 Speaker 1: You know what, though, your your idea though, Yeah, I'm sorry, 1616 01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:18,479 Speaker 1: go ahead, don there, Yeah, you know your your idea though. 1617 01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,400 Speaker 1: There's definitely merit to because you see all the people 1618 01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,760 Speaker 1: fleeing in droves from California to Texas. So I think 1619 01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,479 Speaker 1: you might have a business plan there. You should probably 1620 01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:31,080 Speaker 1: talk to Elon Musk about that. Yes, sir, might make 1621 01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:35,000 Speaker 1: me a millionaire. Huh exactly. We sall know how to vote, brother, 1622 01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,679 Speaker 1: Shields high, Shields higher. I appreciate the call of Don. 1623 01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,719 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit in the last little 1624 01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:45,280 Speaker 1: remaining time that we have a bit about economics and 1625 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,800 Speaker 1: the New Green Deal, so called Green New Deal rather 1626 01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,000 Speaker 1: and what that's all about. You know, part of the 1627 01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:54,240 Speaker 1: argument that has not been leveled. But and maybe it's 1628 01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,000 Speaker 1: because people aren't taking it seriously, but they really should 1629 01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,719 Speaker 1: given how many members we're talking at least around seventy 1630 01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,799 Speaker 1: members of Congress that the Senate and the House, including 1631 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,880 Speaker 1: a number of announced presidential contenders on the Democratic side, 1632 01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:11,639 Speaker 1: Given how many folks are actually supporting this thing, it's 1633 01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,040 Speaker 1: probably worth taking a closer look at. And I think 1634 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,960 Speaker 1: what you really see is that the Democrats are scared 1635 01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,479 Speaker 1: because all the energy in their party is really with 1636 01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:25,320 Speaker 1: the Okazio Cortez Rashida twayib ilhan Omar caucus. That is 1637 01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,559 Speaker 1: where the power is. You saw it with Bernie Sanders, 1638 01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,759 Speaker 1: and this is just the young generation version of Bernie Sanders, 1639 01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,800 Speaker 1: because the progressives have dominated at our institutions for the 1640 01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,439 Speaker 1: last forty or fifty years. So Bernie is old, but 1641 01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,560 Speaker 1: his ideas are new. They're blooming right now, except that 1642 01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,800 Speaker 1: they've been tried repeatedly throughout history and failed and left 1643 01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:46,240 Speaker 1: people in poverty, misery, starvation. And we'll talk a little 1644 01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:49,400 Speaker 1: bit about that in our last half hour. But I 1645 01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,680 Speaker 1: also want to talk about the fact that what is 1646 01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,320 Speaker 1: the Green New Deal, Well, was the first New Deal 1647 01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:59,040 Speaker 1: itself such a smashing success. Did it actually lead us 1648 01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:02,800 Speaker 1: to prosper Did it get us out of the Great Depression? 1649 01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,559 Speaker 1: Words matter when we talk about the success of the 1650 01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,360 Speaker 1: New Deal. So a green new deal is going to 1651 01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:11,840 Speaker 1: be even better? Why challenge that assertion? And anyone who 1652 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,679 Speaker 1: loves liberty, and anyone who's honest should challenge that too. 1653 01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:16,800 Speaker 1: This has ben Winegarden in for Buck sexon on the 1654 01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,040 Speaker 1: Buck Sex and Show eight four four nine zero zero 1655 01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,200 Speaker 1: two eight two five eight four four nine zero zero 1656 01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:27,880 Speaker 1: two eight two five. Medicare for All would save the 1657 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,679 Speaker 1: American people a very large amount of money. Why aren't 1658 01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:35,120 Speaker 1: we incorporating the cost of all the funeral expenses of 1659 01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:38,120 Speaker 1: those who die because they can't afford access to healthcare. 1660 01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,440 Speaker 1: We look at these figures and we say, oh, unemployment 1661 01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:43,680 Speaker 1: is low. Everything is fine, right, Well, unemployment is low 1662 01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,839 Speaker 1: because everyone has two jobs. I need to occupy every airport, 1663 01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,759 Speaker 1: We need to occupy every border, we need to occupy 1664 01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:53,120 Speaker 1: every ice office. If we work our butts off to 1665 01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,080 Speaker 1: make sure that we take back all three chambers of Congress, 1666 01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,800 Speaker 1: rather all three chambers of government, the Presidency, the Senate, 1667 01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,080 Speaker 1: the House. You use the term the occupation of Palestine. 1668 01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:08,760 Speaker 1: What did you mean by that? Oh? Um? I think 1669 01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:12,840 Speaker 1: what I meant is like the settlement. Just last year, 1670 01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:16,439 Speaker 1: we gave the military a seven hundred billion dollars tack 1671 01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:20,400 Speaker 1: a budget increase which they didn't even ask for, and 1672 01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:23,360 Speaker 1: we're like, the world is going to end in twelve 1673 01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,120 Speaker 1: years if we don't address climate change. And your biggest 1674 01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:33,200 Speaker 1: issue is your biggest issue is how are we going 1675 01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,479 Speaker 1: to pay for it? No, I think it is a 1676 01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:39,559 Speaker 1: green dream, and I think that it is it is. 1677 01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,839 Speaker 1: This is ben Winegarden and this is the Buck Sexton 1678 01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:47,200 Speaker 1: show that was Alexandrocazio Cortez. I'm just speechless listening to 1679 01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:50,519 Speaker 1: that montage. Follow me on Twitter at b h Wine 1680 01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:53,680 Speaker 1: Garden and we started with that little montage because I 1681 01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,519 Speaker 1: wanted to talk a little bit about the Green New 1682 01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:00,080 Speaker 1: Deal and what it's all about. And Occazio Cortez as 1683 01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:04,760 Speaker 1: a freshman congresswoman from New York. Her counterpart in New York, 1684 01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:08,639 Speaker 1: the Governor Cuomo, recently made some remarks and I think 1685 01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:12,200 Speaker 1: that this all sort of fits together here. Now. Acasio 1686 01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:15,920 Speaker 1: Quartez recently in New York helped kill Amazon coming to 1687 01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:17,880 Speaker 1: New York, and she didn't make the arguments on chrony 1688 01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:20,640 Speaker 1: capitalism grounds, which might have been a legitimate argument. You know, 1689 01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,959 Speaker 1: should a city like New York or a state provide 1690 01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:28,240 Speaker 1: all sorts of incentives several hundred million dollars in essentially 1691 01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:32,120 Speaker 1: giveaways and then taxes that would not have to be 1692 01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:35,439 Speaker 1: paid down the road. Well, regardless, twenty five thousand jobs 1693 01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,160 Speaker 1: went up in smoke, and I think that's a pretty 1694 01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,839 Speaker 1: good start to where the Green New Deal is. Actually 1695 01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:44,599 Speaker 1: they would rather their impose their dream quote unquote green dream, 1696 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,760 Speaker 1: then actually see prosperity. She made the comment about, oh, well, 1697 01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,120 Speaker 1: everyone has two jobs and that's why unemployment is solo, 1698 01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:53,920 Speaker 1: which is not how unemployment is calculated. Of course. I know, 1699 01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,280 Speaker 1: by the way, during the Obama years, when they tried, 1700 01:36:56,479 --> 01:37:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, a fraction, just a mere the smallest percentage 1701 01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,240 Speaker 1: possible relative to what the Green New Deal is talking about, 1702 01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:07,800 Speaker 1: we had declining unemployment rates only because millions of people 1703 01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,240 Speaker 1: were falling out of the workforce. There is now a 1704 01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,599 Speaker 1: much higher percentage of people in the workforce and actively 1705 01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,840 Speaker 1: looking for jobs. It's completely different scenario because the policies 1706 01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:21,960 Speaker 1: have completely flipped. In any event, Acasio Cortez against Amazon, 1707 01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:25,720 Speaker 1: Cuomo and others for Amazon, and why was Cuomo for 1708 01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:30,519 Speaker 1: Amazon being here? Well, he complained recently that essentially all 1709 01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,679 Speaker 1: of the wealthy taxpayers are fleeing New York and going 1710 01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:37,240 Speaker 1: to Florida. Gee, can you imagine that A guy who 1711 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,760 Speaker 1: said conservatives are not welcome in this city, A guy 1712 01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:45,240 Speaker 1: who believes in infanticide and celebrates it, a guy who 1713 01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:50,320 Speaker 1: believes in taxing and spending ad infinitum. Why would people 1714 01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,280 Speaker 1: want to leave a place where your tax rate could 1715 01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,800 Speaker 1: be over fifty percent all in and go to a 1716 01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,840 Speaker 1: place where there's no state income tax and better weather 1717 01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:01,720 Speaker 1: for that matter. Well, the numbers are actually in, and 1718 01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,759 Speaker 1: the big winners you'll be shocked in net domestic migration 1719 01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,600 Speaker 1: in the past year include Florida plus one hundred and 1720 01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,559 Speaker 1: thirty two thousand, six hundred and two, Arizona plus eighty 1721 01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,479 Speaker 1: three thousand, two hundred and forty, and Texas eighty two thousand, 1722 01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:16,680 Speaker 1: five hundred and sixty nine. What states are losing New 1723 01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:19,320 Speaker 1: York negative one hundred and eighty thousand, three hundred and six, 1724 01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:22,400 Speaker 1: California negative one hundred and fifty six thousand and sixty eight, 1725 01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:25,200 Speaker 1: Illinois negative one hundred and fourteen thousand and one fifty four, 1726 01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:29,640 Speaker 1: and what do all these states have in common. It 1727 01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:34,200 Speaker 1: answers itself. It really answers itself. Okay, So then you 1728 01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:38,600 Speaker 1: have people like aoc Alexandriacazio Cortez. You know, she's celebrating, 1729 01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,160 Speaker 1: she tweeted anything as possible. Today was the day a 1730 01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,599 Speaker 1: group of dedicated every day in New Yorkers and their 1731 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,439 Speaker 1: neighbors defeated Amazon's corporate greed. It's worker exploitation and the 1732 01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:49,840 Speaker 1: power of the richest man in the world. Good good 1733 01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,679 Speaker 1: luck getting the Washington Post indorsement anytime soon, by the way, 1734 01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,400 Speaker 1: when you're attacking Jeff Bezos's company. But beyond that, yeay, 1735 01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,439 Speaker 1: down with jobs twenty five thousand jobs gone for a 1736 01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:03,840 Speaker 1: New Yorker, it's an amazing argument. But there's something that 1737 01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:08,320 Speaker 1: links both Acasio Quartez and Cuomo, and that is Cuomo 1738 01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:11,639 Speaker 1: doesn't want to see people fleeing his state because he's 1739 01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:15,360 Speaker 1: afraid there's actually competition. There's federalism in this country. There's 1740 01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:18,479 Speaker 1: still a concept of states being laboratories of experiment. And 1741 01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,200 Speaker 1: if my state has a much more favorable business climate, 1742 01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:25,240 Speaker 1: tax climate, other areas, you know, more freedom and education, 1743 01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:29,280 Speaker 1: educational choice than the like politicians to represent their values. 1744 01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,479 Speaker 1: People can still get up and walk, and the federal government, 1745 01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:34,559 Speaker 1: no matter how much power it has taken, there is 1746 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,720 Speaker 1: still a difference between these states. What AOC wants to 1747 01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:42,120 Speaker 1: do is help solve Andrew Cuomo's problem by federalizing everything 1748 01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,040 Speaker 1: so that there is no difference and there is no 1749 01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,800 Speaker 1: state to escape too. Just like America is the last 1750 01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:49,320 Speaker 1: fashion of freedom in the world, there's no other country 1751 01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:52,400 Speaker 1: to escape to when things get bad here. What the 1752 01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:55,120 Speaker 1: left wants to do is say, all of our states 1753 01:39:55,120 --> 01:40:00,640 Speaker 1: are struggling New York, Illinois, California, these progressive as the 1754 01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:03,280 Speaker 1: places where everything should be wonderful all the time, and 1755 01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:05,559 Speaker 1: they want to federalize the very policies that are at 1756 01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:08,040 Speaker 1: those states, so you can't go anywhere. And oh, by 1757 01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:11,240 Speaker 1: the way, the productive states have to subsidize the unproductive states. 1758 01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:20,519 Speaker 1: There is another element of this, and that ultimately comes 1759 01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:24,519 Speaker 1: down to the fact that the New Green Deal Green 1760 01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,840 Speaker 1: New Deal quote unquote, what it is really all about 1761 01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:32,320 Speaker 1: is socialism with a smiley face of environmentalism on it. 1762 01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:35,880 Speaker 1: It creates a facade of legitimacy based upon the fact that, 1763 01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:39,200 Speaker 1: according to Alexandriocazio, Cortez, the world is going to end 1764 01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:44,040 Speaker 1: in twelve years unless we massively redistribute wealth and power 1765 01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:47,000 Speaker 1: to Washington, DC. And oh, by the way, Washington DC 1766 01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:48,719 Speaker 1: is going to be the one creating all the jobs 1767 01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,719 Speaker 1: by imposing the same policies that let's say, let's see 1768 01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:54,920 Speaker 1: seventy seven billion dollars wasted in California to do a 1769 01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,479 Speaker 1: high speed train that they can't get between Los Angeles 1770 01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:02,799 Speaker 1: and San Francisco. But Accazio Cortez wants to do it intercontinental. Vermont, 1771 01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:06,040 Speaker 1: that's another progressive bastion. It's very small. You would think 1772 01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:07,120 Speaker 1: that if you were going to be able to have 1773 01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:09,679 Speaker 1: socialism anywhere, it would be in Bernie Sanders's home state. 1774 01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:13,040 Speaker 1: Guess what. Vermont ha to ditch single payer healthcare several 1775 01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:15,320 Speaker 1: years ago because it just didn't work. The costs were 1776 01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:19,479 Speaker 1: rising too high. That's in little Vermont. Now, people on 1777 01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:23,400 Speaker 1: the left, they'll tell you, well, look at the Scandinavian countries. See, yeah, 1778 01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:26,360 Speaker 1: they're not Venezuela. We don't believe in that sort of socialism. 1779 01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:28,439 Speaker 1: We believe in the Scandinavian kind. We'll look at the 1780 01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:30,519 Speaker 1: statistics and what you'll see is that besides the fact 1781 01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,599 Speaker 1: that the Scandinavian countries are small and they have relatively 1782 01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:37,440 Speaker 1: homogeneous populations that get along well. It's very cohesive culturally 1783 01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:39,040 Speaker 1: in the like, so you don't have any issues there. 1784 01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,240 Speaker 1: They actually have very free market economies and based upon 1785 01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:46,240 Speaker 1: some ratings, actually are more liberalized than the US is. 1786 01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,200 Speaker 1: So yes, they have generous welfare states, but they have 1787 01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:53,040 Speaker 1: societies that can deal with the downsides of them, first 1788 01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:55,639 Speaker 1: of all, and second, second of all, they're very restrictive 1789 01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,719 Speaker 1: in terms of their immigration. They want productive people coming, 1790 01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:02,559 Speaker 1: people who believe in the ethoses that animate those nations. 1791 01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,280 Speaker 1: And third, they have relatively free market economies that are 1792 01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:09,040 Speaker 1: able to underscore and overwhelm the largest that's doled out 1793 01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:13,360 Speaker 1: by the government. My question to all the green New 1794 01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:16,360 Speaker 1: dealers is how many experiences with central planning do we 1795 01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:20,160 Speaker 1: have to have before we realize the disastrous consequences everywhere 1796 01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,280 Speaker 1: they're tried, And how many times are people going to 1797 01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,839 Speaker 1: be duped by the fact that, except for the truest 1798 01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:28,400 Speaker 1: of true believers, what these policies are really about is 1799 01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:32,479 Speaker 1: more power in Washington, DC over your life. All you 1800 01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:34,160 Speaker 1: have to do to look at how this works out. 1801 01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:36,519 Speaker 1: You can look at Venezuela. For starters, you can go 1802 01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:39,759 Speaker 1: back to the founding of the United States, Flymouth Governor 1803 01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,240 Speaker 1: William Bradford back in Plymouth, we're talking in the sixteen 1804 01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:45,600 Speaker 1: twenties year prior to Thanksgiving, they essentially had communism, in 1805 01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:49,080 Speaker 1: his own words in his diaries, communism, and they almost 1806 01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:53,839 Speaker 1: literally died off when they implemented private property rights. Suddenly 1807 01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,559 Speaker 1: there was bounty and that led to the Thanksgiving that's 1808 01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:00,759 Speaker 1: been depicted. There are many other examples in real time 1809 01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:04,639 Speaker 1: in the real world recent years. East Germany versus West Germany. 1810 01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:07,920 Speaker 1: That was a real example of the exact same nation, 1811 01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:11,480 Speaker 1: essentially the same people, the same starting point, the same infrastructure. 1812 01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:14,400 Speaker 1: One was governor under the iron curtain of communism, the 1813 01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:17,800 Speaker 1: other was free. How did that turnout? North Korea versus 1814 01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:22,759 Speaker 1: South Korea today? Again, we can't get a high speed 1815 01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:26,479 Speaker 1: rail line in progressive California. You can't do socialized medicine 1816 01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:28,880 Speaker 1: in Vermont. What the Left wants to do that was 1817 01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:31,760 Speaker 1: make sure that these policies are imposed everywhere. They want 1818 01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:36,040 Speaker 1: to take these failures and put them on steroids. The 1819 01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:38,760 Speaker 1: size and scope of the Green New Deal would cover 1820 01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,400 Speaker 1: every aspect of your life. It wasn't just in the 1821 01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:43,519 Speaker 1: fact sheet that came out that they then had to 1822 01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:45,680 Speaker 1: pull back and claim it was a gaff or a 1823 01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:49,720 Speaker 1: doctor document created as some kind of right wing conspiracy. No, 1824 01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,160 Speaker 1: the size and scope says that the aims are what 1825 01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:55,720 Speaker 1: was in FDR's sort of square deal in effect or 1826 01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:59,760 Speaker 1: his second Bill of Rights rather, and those weren't rights, 1827 01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:03,160 Speaker 1: we're services. You have the right to great healthcare and 1828 01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,519 Speaker 1: affordable cost. You have the right to a job. You 1829 01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:08,800 Speaker 1: have the right to all manner of things that are 1830 01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,599 Speaker 1: created in a free world that government cannot decree. They 1831 01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:15,839 Speaker 1: cannot buy Fiat rain down from the heavens. Here are jobs, 1832 01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:19,439 Speaker 1: here is wealth, and the New Deal itself is a 1833 01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:21,800 Speaker 1: great example of that. And when we come back, we'll 1834 01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,160 Speaker 1: do a little history lesson to show that the New 1835 01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:27,000 Speaker 1: Deal was terrible. The Green New Deal will be ten 1836 01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,080 Speaker 1: times as disastrous. This is Ben Winegarden in for Buck 1837 01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:32,160 Speaker 1: Sexon on the Buck Sex and Show. Eight four four 1838 01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:34,240 Speaker 1: nine zero zero two eight two five eight four four 1839 01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:39,600 Speaker 1: nine zero zero two eight two five. This is the 1840 01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,600 Speaker 1: Buck Sexon Show. And this is Ben Weingarten in for 1841 01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:46,599 Speaker 1: Buck Sexon All right, before we close up shop tonight, 1842 01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:50,160 Speaker 1: As I was mentioning when I hear green New Deal 1843 01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:54,400 Speaker 1: raised words matter what was the New Deal? And the 1844 01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:56,360 Speaker 1: fact that we have to go through this history lesson 1845 01:44:56,520 --> 01:45:00,400 Speaker 1: every time socialism is brought forth really gets tiring, frankly, 1846 01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,080 Speaker 1: But it cannot be said enough. The New Deal was 1847 01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:05,720 Speaker 1: not some panacea that did not get us out of 1848 01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:09,680 Speaker 1: the Great Depression. It's a myth. A couple of economists 1849 01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:13,720 Speaker 1: proved this pretty well. Harold Cole of the University of 1850 01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:16,920 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and Leohnian of UCLA wrote back in two thousand 1851 01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:19,160 Speaker 1: and nine, and this was during the financial crisis, when 1852 01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:21,559 Speaker 1: there were all sorts of arguments for we need essentially 1853 01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,479 Speaker 1: a second New Deal, and we got part of the 1854 01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:26,320 Speaker 1: way there. They did an article and they showed that 1855 01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:29,760 Speaker 1: actually the New Deal impeded the recovery. Why did it 1856 01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,560 Speaker 1: impede economic recovery? Because it implemented all sorts of collectivists 1857 01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,400 Speaker 1: measures that hampered the free market's ability to adjust after 1858 01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:40,200 Speaker 1: the dislocation of the economic crash. If it didn't work, 1859 01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:42,479 Speaker 1: then after a crash, when your recovery is supposed to 1860 01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:45,720 Speaker 1: be quite strong because you're getting back to normal, why 1861 01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,120 Speaker 1: would it work now? Why would we take a booming 1862 01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:51,639 Speaker 1: economy and destroy it. Here's what they said in an 1863 01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:54,840 Speaker 1: article in the Wall Street Journal about their research. Quote here, 1864 01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,320 Speaker 1: there was even less work on average during the New 1865 01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,840 Speaker 1: Deal than before FDR took office. Total hours worked per 1866 01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:05,559 Speaker 1: adult including government employees, were eighteen percent below their nineteen 1867 01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:09,080 Speaker 1: twenty nine level between nineteen thirty and nineteen thirty two, 1868 01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:12,519 Speaker 1: but we're twenty three percent lower on average during the 1869 01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,960 Speaker 1: New Deal in nineteen thirty three to nineteen thirty nine. 1870 01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:17,960 Speaker 1: Private hours worked. We're even lower after FDR took office, 1871 01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:21,240 Speaker 1: averaging twenty seven percent below their nineteen twenty nine level 1872 01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:25,799 Speaker 1: compared to eighteen percent lower between nineteen thirty and nineteen 1873 01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:29,000 Speaker 1: thirty two. Total hours worked per adult in nineteen thirty 1874 01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:32,439 Speaker 1: nine remained about twenty one percent below their nineteen twenty 1875 01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:36,080 Speaker 1: nine level, So hours worked twenty one percent lower. Ten 1876 01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:41,120 Speaker 1: years after we actually had the crash. Per capita consumption 1877 01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:43,559 Speaker 1: did not recover at all. It remained twenty five percent 1878 01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:46,360 Speaker 1: below its trend level throughout the New Deal. So why 1879 01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:49,599 Speaker 1: did this all happen? They write in this paper about 1880 01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:52,879 Speaker 1: the fact that it was the new Deal that hampered 1881 01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:55,720 Speaker 1: any recovery. The new Deal is the answer, and I'll 1882 01:46:55,800 --> 01:47:00,519 Speaker 1: quote here, anti market policies choked off powerful recover reforces 1883 01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:02,880 Speaker 1: that would have plausibly returned the economy back to trend 1884 01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,479 Speaker 1: by the mid nineteen thirties. Most damaging were those at 1885 01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:07,879 Speaker 1: the heart of the recovery plan, including the National Industrial 1886 01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,840 Speaker 1: Recovery Act, which tossed aside the nation's antitrust acts and 1887 01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:15,120 Speaker 1: permitted industries to collusively raise prices provided they shared their 1888 01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:19,040 Speaker 1: newfound monopoly rents with workers. By substantially raising wages well 1889 01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:24,360 Speaker 1: above underlying productivity growth, that is collusion, government incentivized collusion 1890 01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:28,360 Speaker 1: in the economy. The NIRA, that's the National Industrial Recovery Act, 1891 01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,759 Speaker 1: covered over five hundred industries, ranging from autos and steel 1892 01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:35,920 Speaker 1: to ladies, hosiery, and poultry production. Each industry created a 1893 01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:38,840 Speaker 1: code of fair competition quote unquote, which spelled out what 1894 01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:41,120 Speaker 1: producers could and could not do, and which were designed 1895 01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:44,600 Speaker 1: to eliminate quote excessive competition that FDR believed to be 1896 01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,479 Speaker 1: the source of the depression. These codes distorted the economy 1897 01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:51,879 Speaker 1: by artificially raising wages and prices, restricting output, and reducing 1898 01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:55,320 Speaker 1: productive capacity. By placing quotas on industry investment in new 1899 01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:58,120 Speaker 1: plants and equipment, and on and on. That is basically 1900 01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:01,559 Speaker 1: what the New Green Deal New Deal Rather would do 1901 01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:05,360 Speaker 1: on steroids. At the end of the day, what did 1902 01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:10,400 Speaker 1: Henry Morgan thou Roosevelt's Treasury secretary say in nineteen thirty nine, 1903 01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:14,839 Speaker 1: after all of these different government interventions were tried, Quote, 1904 01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,719 Speaker 1: we are spending more than we have ever spent before, 1905 01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:20,439 Speaker 1: and it does not work. I say, after eight years 1906 01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:23,080 Speaker 1: of this administration, we have just as much unemployment as 1907 01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:27,280 Speaker 1: when we started, and an enormous debt to Boot New 1908 01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:31,839 Speaker 1: Deal disaster, Green New Deal disaster on steroids, President Obama 1909 01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:35,000 Speaker 1: so called stimulus and the other widespread government regulation and 1910 01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:39,679 Speaker 1: intervention after the financial crisis, including Obamacare. We the weakest 1911 01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:43,240 Speaker 1: recovery of any from any recession that we've had since 1912 01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:46,240 Speaker 1: the Great Depression. So why would this time be any different? 1913 01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:50,400 Speaker 1: Why would Alexandrocazio Cortez somehow have this divine knowledge that 1914 01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:53,200 Speaker 1: this time central planning is going to work. You know, 1915 01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:56,080 Speaker 1: the greatest economic stimulus we could ever have is for 1916 01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:59,760 Speaker 1: every citizen to read Bastiat and Hayek and Milton and 1917 01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:03,400 Speaker 1: Milton Freedman Rather and the founding Fathers. That would be 1918 01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:05,560 Speaker 1: the greatest economic stimulus. It would be a heck of 1919 01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:08,280 Speaker 1: a lot cheaper than a green new deal that's going 1920 01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:11,320 Speaker 1: to cost fifty times what our federal government budget is 1921 01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:16,360 Speaker 1: every year. Democrats will resist attempts to challenge this agenda, 1922 01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:19,679 Speaker 1: of course, because for them, this is all about power. 1923 01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,439 Speaker 1: And while we're on that topic of power, before we 1924 01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:26,680 Speaker 1: close up tonight, a reminder that this week we celebrated 1925 01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:31,200 Speaker 1: a sad anniversary, the fourtieth anniversary of the Islamic Revolution 1926 01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:35,200 Speaker 1: in Iran, which took a relatively dynamic and free, prosperous 1927 01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:39,280 Speaker 1: country authoritarian, yes in terms of its leadership, but relatively 1928 01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:42,760 Speaker 1: European and booming and secular, and turned it into what 1929 01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,240 Speaker 1: we have today, which is the world's leading state sponsor 1930 01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:49,400 Speaker 1: of jihad, with total restrictions on basically every possible liberty 1931 01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:54,720 Speaker 1: and economic basket case, and full on, truly totalitarian rule. 1932 01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:58,080 Speaker 1: So also the thirtieth anniversary of Salmon Rushti's book The 1933 01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:01,640 Speaker 1: Satanic Verses, leading to him having a fatua put on 1934 01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:05,560 Speaker 1: his head by the Supreme Leader in Iran. Why is 1935 01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:09,040 Speaker 1: Iran relevant? Well, Iran took a place that was relatively 1936 01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:14,559 Speaker 1: dynamic at the time, imposed their theocratic creed Islam, dominant 1937 01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:18,080 Speaker 1: Islam and tried to export it throughout the world and 1938 01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:21,919 Speaker 1: restricted all manner of freedom, freedom of speech, you can't 1939 01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:26,000 Speaker 1: criticize or in any way threatened, essentially the ruling creed there. 1940 01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:29,360 Speaker 1: I would suggest to you that America is free, but 1941 01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:32,240 Speaker 1: where progressives want to take us is to a state 1942 01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:38,200 Speaker 1: of anti religious, theocratic totalitarianism, where you can't have dissenting 1943 01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:41,080 Speaker 1: opinions or you'll get thrown out of social media or 1944 01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:44,200 Speaker 1: fired from your company, and where you also have control 1945 01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:47,720 Speaker 1: of government over every aspect of your life. It's not 1946 01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,599 Speaker 1: because you don't subscribe to Islam, it's because you don't 1947 01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:54,200 Speaker 1: subscribe to the state religion of progressivism. And if you 1948 01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:58,439 Speaker 1: dissent your livelihood, your freedom, all of it will be 1949 01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:01,040 Speaker 1: taken away, and those bad corrosive ideas can have an 1950 01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,880 Speaker 1: immediate impact. It's destroyed Venezuela, and the same thing could 1951 01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:07,240 Speaker 1: happen here faster than ever before in history. This is 1952 01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:09,519 Speaker 1: Ben Weingarten. 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