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Speaker 3: All right, here we go, it's our two. We got news, Jmack.

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Speaker 1: We started our show an hour ago talking about Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: So we had a bumpy.

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Speaker 1: Otah and three straight days he has scuffed and struggled.

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Speaker 1: Today two picks in the seven on seven red zone drill.

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Speaker 1: So that red zone is a place you do not

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Speaker 1: make mistakes. I'm sure at the front of the end

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Speaker 1: zone you throw it low. If it's at the back

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Speaker 1: of the end zone, you throw it high. You don't

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Speaker 1: throw picks in the red zone. He had two today.

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Speaker 1: People are getting a lit still worked out and I

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Speaker 1: go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Hey, JJ Watt, I'm sure you saw JJ Watt put

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Speaker 4: something on social It was alluded to your take on

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Speaker 4: Caleb Williams and you know, training camp picks and so forth,

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Speaker 4: and he kind of tried to pick it apart.

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Speaker 5: And all these people think, oh, see coward drawing. It's

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Speaker 5: no big deal that Caleb Williams is messing up here.

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Speaker 6: Early on.

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Speaker 1: You guys, everything is something. Yeah, nothing is everything. But

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Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels last year at camp, Dan Quinn and

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. First week of camp, we're saying publicly, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, this kid is miles ahead of where rookies are.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton is texting me during camp. Last year, bo

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Speaker 1: Nicks needs a few starts. He's gonna get good really fast.

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Speaker 1: By October, bow Knicks had a passer rating over one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Everything matters. I want to bring in the former Bears coach.

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Speaker 1: It's so apropos that we have Dave Wantat on the

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Speaker 1: show today. Six years Bears, five years, Dolphins thirty nine

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Speaker 1: years coaching football. So listen, you can give Caleb a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a pass for last year it was

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had a three head coaches by the

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Speaker 1: end of it.

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Speaker 3: But Dave.

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Speaker 1: The critics of Caleb Williams said he plays too much

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Speaker 1: hero ball, he could struggle with accuracy, he could be

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Speaker 1: a little bit moody. So when I see with Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson all of these things coming out at camp.

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Speaker 3: He's not getting.

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Speaker 1: Plays in the footwork, he's again little hero ball holding

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Speaker 1: on the ball. It's something. Is I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear that. It's nothing. Isn't it something?

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Speaker 6: Yes, it is. And I'll tell you this in training camp,

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Speaker 6: and you know I lived this. You know, we would

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Speaker 6: go through training camp and let's say we were struggling

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Speaker 6: it's just a training camp. Those things usually do show

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Speaker 6: up once you start playing for real, but it's early,

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Speaker 6: and I would just say this, Hey, let's keep in

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Speaker 6: mind last year training him, he was a guy that

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Speaker 6: a starting point there and then and then Ben does

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Speaker 6: everything by timing. By that, I mean it's one, two, three,

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Speaker 6: And I would probably say the biggest difference between here

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Speaker 6: We'll have a couple of good conversations.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about Mike McDaniel. So I

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Speaker 1: do think in this day and age, offensive coaches have

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Speaker 1: mean Sean McDermott can't be great, But even Belichick felt

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Speaker 3: He was quirky, he was unique.

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Speaker 1: In my takeaway, now two three years later, is a

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Speaker 3: They don't run the ball.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of clever, it's a lot of multiple

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Speaker 1: sets in motion. I would move off Tyreek Hill. I

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Speaker 1: I don't think it is. You've been there. What are

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Speaker 6: Well, you know two thoughts. Number one the Tyreek Hill situation.

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Speaker 6: to go to the playoffs as a wildcard, which they

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Speaker 6: But that last game if they win and two or

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Speaker 6: not go in the game, and they asked you that

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Speaker 6: hit it right on the head. You know. Chris Breer

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Speaker 6: I don't know Mike as a head coach, but the

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Speaker 6: players that they signed as free agents, the players that

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Speaker 6: year at Miami was, he's a tough guy. Oh, we've

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Speaker 6: drafted the big tackle grant out of Michigan. But you

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Speaker 6: know why he is a tough guy. It's weak, it's

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Speaker 6: it's you know, I hate to say this, but it's

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Speaker 6: probably too late. It's like halfway through the season you

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Speaker 6: decide that you want to run the football. It's too late.

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Speaker 6: That's training camp and now all of a sudden they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny about guys like Kyle Shanahan,

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Speaker 1: I think McDaniel again, I just I understood the media

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Speaker 3: Shanahan runs the ball. He loves to run the ball,

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Speaker 3: and we all know.

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Speaker 6: The quarterback is the key to all this stuff. At

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Speaker 6: the end of the day, who is down there saying

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Speaker 6: problem with Tyreek Hill. They haven't really bonded since the

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Speaker 6: end of the season when Tyreek Hill said he didn't

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Speaker 6: want to have any to do with the Dolphins, he

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Speaker 6: didn't like their culture. Well, I'll tell you what happened

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Speaker 6: to minicamps, Colin, what happened to OTAs. These guys had

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Speaker 6: six months to work through that problem, that issue, whatever

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Speaker 6: it is, to what extent, I don't know. But when

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Speaker 1: When I watched those old Dallas Cowboy Films, NFL Films,

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Speaker 1: And I hear Troy Aikman. Jimmy had left, Barry was there,

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Speaker 1: that takes That's why I like my quarterbacks sometimes to

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Speaker 1: and finally Andrew Berry came out and said, that's just

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Speaker 3: What do you do?

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Speaker 1: You don't have a dominant quarterback, You drafted two kids,

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Speaker 1: you got Kenny Pickett. What do you do with tickets?

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Speaker 1: How do you address it? As a coach? It would

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Speaker 1: be so hard for me to watch Sador Sanders and

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Speaker 1: What do you make of what he did? And how

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Speaker 1: how much do you think that will hurt his Cleveland experience?

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Speaker 6: I think it's going to affect him. I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 6: You know he's a quarterback. If you're a defensive lineman.

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Speaker 6: It's still wrong, it still would concern you. But I'll

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Speaker 6: be honest with you, I've had defensive lineman that it's

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Speaker 6: for that. Okay, we cannot give these people any reason

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Speaker 6: We got a reason to just put a real doubt

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Speaker 6: up to to draft him. Why. I don't know all

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Speaker 6: don't think it's just another check to the box.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I was saying this this week and

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Speaker 1: it sounds weird. I said, the most important thing when

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Speaker 1: you take a job is your quarterback. That's why Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: took the Chargers, justin Herbert. But the second most important

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Speaker 3: And I said, I.

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Speaker 1: Worry about Joe Burrow becoming Matt Stafford. We all know

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Speaker 1: he's great, but there's it's a circus of coaches. They

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. He was upset about more holdouts. How do

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Speaker 1: you think the Burrough thing? How do you think it

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Speaker 1: plays out? Because Dave, he's the best quarterback. Last year,

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Speaker 5: All right. Uh, this is a tough one because we're

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Speaker 7: Well no, no, they still have cousins.

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Speaker 1: But if Atlanta is decent and has the thirteen, fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: fifteenth pick, then you're gonna have to give up both

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Speaker 1: first round picks and next year's number one. I think

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Speaker 1: that would get you the number one or two pick

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Speaker 1: that gets you in the discussion. I don't know three

439
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Speaker 1: number ones is come on through.

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Speaker 5: Here's the interesting thing about Arts Manning. So you know,

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Speaker 5: the producer here on this segment try to sell me, well,

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Speaker 5: what if Arch doesn't go one, and he's like twelve.

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Speaker 5: Couldn't the Rams they could afford to move up for

444
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Speaker 5: him there, right? And I was like, there's no chance

445
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Speaker 5: Arch is going anywhere other than one.

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Speaker 7: That would be my guest, would you okay, your disagree?

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Speaker 1: I mostly agree. But here's the other reality why the

448
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Speaker 1: Rams couldn't do it. Because the team that has the

449
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Speaker 1: number one pick is going to be Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: With the Saints, and they need a quarterback exactly.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the Manning family of New Orleans

452
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Speaker 1: the children's hospitals named after him. So getting Arch Manning

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans for the Saints his dad Archie played there,

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Speaker 1: I remember of those bad same seams would literally be

455
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Speaker 1: the greatest gift, the greatest football gift any franchise has

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Speaker 1: had in maybe fifty years.

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Speaker 5: And let's be real, there's no world where there's a

458
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Speaker 5: Ricky Williams or herschel Walker type deal for Arts man,

459
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Speaker 5: I don't think. I think more people would want to

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Speaker 5: get him in the building given his pedigree. By the way,

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Speaker 5: did you know he's six four two fifteen. Yes, when

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Speaker 5: we talk about like Justin Herbert and all these big.

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Speaker 1: Strapping Josh tag and he's athletic, he can move, he

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Speaker 1: can run, He's going one.

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Speaker 7: I don't care what Drew Aller does.

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Speaker 3: Well, we know the worst teams in the league. I

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Speaker 3: mean we do.

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Speaker 1: Last year there were seven bad teams. Because the league

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Speaker 1: has become so quarterback offensive head coach Triven, you can

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Speaker 1: look at the teams that are gonna stick. Yeah, Cleveland's

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Speaker 1: not gonna be good. The division's got too much talent

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Speaker 1: Lamar Burrow and the Steelers Aaron, They've got a good roster.

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Speaker 1: We know the Saints are going to be bad. The

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Speaker 1: New York Giants could be really, really bad. So all

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Speaker 1: those have a Manning tie. Cleveland has a Manning tie.

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Speaker 1: New Orleans does, and Eli played with a Giant. So

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Speaker 1: you could almost write it down the three or worst teams,

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Speaker 1: three or four.

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Speaker 3: Worst treams of Lake. It's not difficult.

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Speaker 1: It's just unless there's an injury to a quarterback, you

481
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Speaker 1: can kind of pinpoint, who's going to be god awful

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Speaker 1: right now?

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Speaker 5: And by just for the record, the guys who were

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Speaker 5: projected number one before the season in recent years have

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Speaker 5: they don't like tumble a little bit. They tumble out.

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Speaker 5: Remember the kid at Oklahoma, Spencer Ratler. He went from like, Oh,

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Speaker 5: he's gonna be the first pick to like out blake Yours,

488
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Speaker 5: Quinn Ewers, quinn Yours tums way down to the sixth round.

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Speaker 5: But I'll say this I did.

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Speaker 1: I was not a Rattler or a Ewers fan, so

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Speaker 1: I didn't agree on this show.

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Speaker 3: I never bought into those guys.

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Speaker 1: I bought into Caleb Williams, ibout into Jade and Daniels,

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Speaker 1: I about into Andrew Luck. I did buy into Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: I completely buy into arch Mannings talent and is just intelligence,

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Speaker 1: his athletic ability.

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Speaker 3: I buy into it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think there's anywhere arts. The only

499
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Speaker 5: thing he could do is say I'm not coming out.

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Speaker 5: I want to stay another year in Austin. But I

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Speaker 5: would put that really small percentage. Next up, Colin, let's

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Speaker 5: go to the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 7: Who obviously are coming off the down year.

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Speaker 5: However, the schedule has everybody geeked, including Nick Bosa, who

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Speaker 5: believes this team is going to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 10: I definitely think this group can win a super Bowl

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Speaker 10: if you look at like our nineteen team and nobody

508
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Speaker 10: thought that was It's not about all having a huge

509
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Speaker 10: name guy at every position and like kind of like

510
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Speaker 10: we did in twenty three or whatever. Yeah, it's just

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Speaker 10: how you gel and how you play. And I think

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Speaker 10: when I look at who we have in this team,

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Speaker 10: I think we undoubtedly have a chance to do.

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Speaker 7: Oh here's a fun part, Colin.

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Speaker 5: We have a screen shot here of forty nine ers

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Speaker 5: notable offseason moves them addition and losses.

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Speaker 7: Are you ready for the.

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Speaker 5: Look at the ads by the way, they had to

519
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Speaker 5: sneak Robert Salah in there and a backup quarter about dude,

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Speaker 5: they didn't just lose guys.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Banks is a very good guard.

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Speaker 1: Deebo, I mean, Greenlaw and Hufungo are at Chavarris Ward's

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Speaker 1: a good corner. They lost four really notable defensive players.

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Speaker 1: And you can say what you want, but Banks and

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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel are going to be high end starters for

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Speaker 1: the Packers and the Commanders.

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Speaker 5: The only counter is well, wait a sick They lost

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Speaker 5: all these high end starters on defense. Oh, the defense

529
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Speaker 5: stunk last year? Now was it because these guys are

530
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Speaker 5: getting long in the tooth? Or was it the offense

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Speaker 5: was just so inept due to the injuries that the

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Speaker 5: defense was on the field a lot, And you have

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Speaker 5: to it kind of makes you wonder a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Why would they let all of these guys go.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's because they're paying brock perty That's why they're

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Speaker 1: letting them go. That's why I keep saying, if Christian

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey plays six team games, the Niners are going to

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Speaker 1: be a playoff team. But if he goes down with

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Speaker 1: those defensive losses, I'm sorry, bro this team's not nearly talented.

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Speaker 5: Those defenders were still so elite. Why was this not

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Speaker 5: even a top ten unit last year when it should

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Speaker 5: have been.

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Speaker 1: Top Because they made a move to Robert Sala. They

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Speaker 1: did not love their defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 5: That's why they went and got Sla All about Okay,

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Speaker 5: All right, final story con this is interesting. Kind of

547
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Speaker 5: went down yesterday. Defensive tackle Christian Wilkins. Remember he signed

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Speaker 5: a massive one hundred and ten million dollars deal with

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Speaker 5: the Raiders last March.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's over for him.

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Speaker 5: The Raiders released him after one season with the team,

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Speaker 5: and now it gets ugly. They are the Raiders are

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Speaker 5: claiming they don't have to pay him due to how

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Speaker 5: he rehabbed a previous foot injury. Wilkins has filed a

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Speaker 5: grievance with the NFLPA. There was a foot fracture in

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Speaker 5: Week five. Injury required surgery, knocking him out for the season.

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Speaker 7: It was still.

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Speaker 5: Bothering when training camp came back and the Raiders released

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Speaker 5: him and voided thirty five million in guaranteed money. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: this is going to get ugly between the two and.

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Speaker 7: Then it gets him in spicy Now. You know Wilkins

562
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Speaker 7: was a stud back like three years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good player.

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Speaker 5: Guess who's talking to him already? The New England Patriots

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Speaker 5: and Mike Rabel. They are kicking the tires. Wilkins from Massachusetts,

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Speaker 5: went to high school in Connecticut, and Rabel recruited him

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Speaker 5: to Ohio State when he was back at Ohio State recruiting.

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Speaker 3: No, he's a good play, he's a high end player, and.

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Speaker 5: You know he's going to be motivated given how bad

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Speaker 5: it went with Vegas.

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Speaker 7: Kind of spicy cone.

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Speaker 1: Jmcklanews, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 2: The herd line.

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Speaker 1: Nash Jamett got to look at all those Niner losses

575
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Speaker 1: and suddenly his bravado. You can see it dripping out

576
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Speaker 1: of the jmac confidence meter. That's what I say about

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. If mccav free is healthy, they're fine. But

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey's coming off injuries. Trent Williams got about a year left.

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Speaker 1: Theyfunga is a pro bowler, green Law is a pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: Eugene Banks is an excellent, excellent guard. Deebo Samuel is

581
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Speaker 1: a playmaker. They're all gone, and they have been. Let's

582
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Speaker 1: be honest, they have been. Unlike the Rams, who have

583
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Speaker 1: been unbelievable in the last three years in the draft,

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Speaker 1: the Niners have not. The Niners have missed on as

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Speaker 1: many draft picks as they've hit on. The Rams have

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Speaker 1: hit on every defensive draft pick for three straight years.

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Speaker 1: Every single guy you can go, Young, Kobe Turner, Jared

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Speaker 1: verse Line, everybody's hit. Niners have missed on a lot

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Speaker 1: of picks. So that's why you keep saying, oh, this

590
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Speaker 1: isn't that. All I know is I'm gonna take McVeigh

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Speaker 1: three years of great drafting stafford over.

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Speaker 3: I mean those do now.

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Speaker 1: Devon Hargrove was a disappointment, but he's still a body.

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Speaker 1: He was a disappointment. He didn't live up to the deal.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, when your additions are a defensive coordinator

596
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Speaker 1: and your losses are multiple starters. Here's another one that

597
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Speaker 1: is undervalue. Jalen Moore, the left tackle.

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Speaker 7: Oh he was a swing tackle.

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Speaker 1: Come on, okay, everybody in the league need to when

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Speaker 1: you have an old left tackle, Jalen Moore, Okay, is

601
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Speaker 1: more valuable than you think because Trent Williams it is,

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Speaker 1: and he's great. It's highly doubtful he's starting seventeen games.

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Speaker 3: I'd agree.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now the Niners did have They struggled in the draft

606
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Speaker 5: for a couple of years because of that. Trey Lance

607
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Speaker 5: Dealer really set him back this past draft. The kid

608
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Speaker 5: mikel Williams out of Georgia is a superstar. Weight Akala

609
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Speaker 5: is gonna unleash him. I really like the running back

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Speaker 5: out of Oregon, you know him, Jordan James.

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Speaker 7: He's going to contribute. Every running back is good. It

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Speaker 7: with Shannon I like him.

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Speaker 5: Nick Martin, the linebacker out of Okay State very good,

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Speaker 5: and then they got the defensive tackle from Texas.

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Speaker 7: It's gonna be fine.

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Speaker 5: Okay, twelve wins, lock it up, Niners are going to

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Speaker 5: be fine.

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Speaker 3: Coming right, twelve wins, twelve and five.

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Speaker 1: I consider thirteen, but hope it's not overcast in any

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Speaker 1: of those games for brock Purty.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 2: in neon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: look to become back to back tournament champs as they.

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Speaker 7: Take on Spain.

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Speaker 3: So I have said, I don't know why I care

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 1: They're arguably the worst team in the league, and they

631
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Speaker 1: have four quarterbacks, none in their prime or none special.

632
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Speaker 1: I think Joe Flacco will win the Cleveland Brown starting job.

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Speaker 3: I said that months ago.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll move Kenny Pickett and I think they'll

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Speaker 1: they'll keep the two young guys.

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Speaker 3: So Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 1: In OTAs was completing eighty percent of his throat but

638
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Speaker 1: now in camp, as Dave Wantstat said, you face a

639
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Speaker 1: pass rush, it's not as easy. So shador is not

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Speaker 1: taking first team reps does not surprise me. Here's here's

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Speaker 1: his thoughts on what's transpiring with the Browns.

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Speaker 11: I don't think that's that's not my place, you know,

643
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Speaker 11: to answer it, To even be able to give the

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Speaker 11: answer to that, I feel like it's not in my control.

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Speaker 11: So I'm not even gonna think about that or have

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Speaker 11: that even in my thought process of why. It is, Like,

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Speaker 11: there's a lot of people that want to have the

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Speaker 11: opportunity to be at this level, and I'm here and

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Speaker 11: I'm thankful to have the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: So whenever that is it is.

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Speaker 3: I like his answer. I think he's been humbled.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I don't love the hat on backwards, but it's not

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Speaker 1: the Wednesday press conference, so I'm not going to be

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Speaker 1: too judgmental on that. It's just, you know, it's camp nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Nobody cares. But yeah, I think it's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: And I've said this before. I don't remember ever a time.

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Speaker 1: I've been guessing on quarterbacks forever, and I think I've

659
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Speaker 1: had a pretty good track record now that Sam Darnold's

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Speaker 1: turned it around. I think my track records pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like guys that the GMS did, and I

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Speaker 1: think I've been right on it. I thought Shador was

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Speaker 1: a solid, you know, in a weak quarterback draft.

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Speaker 3: He's not cam Ward, you know.

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Speaker 1: But if he gets drafted like Jackson Dart did at

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Speaker 1: the end of the first round or second round, I

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Speaker 1: thought that was reasonable. He fell to the fifth, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think he would have been drafted in the

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Speaker 1: fifth if not for Jimmy Haslam, because if you remember

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Speaker 1: the Andrew Berry and Kevinfanski reaction to the draft pick

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Speaker 1: they drafted two rounds earlier, Dylan Gabriel, the quarterback from Oregon,

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Speaker 1: it looked as though the owner made the pick. So

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Speaker 1: I find it fascinating. I mean, I didn't think he

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Speaker 1: was a great prospect, but got he in a terrible

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Speaker 1: old line and no run game at Colorado, and he

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Speaker 1: completed the most He's the most accurate college quarterback of

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Speaker 1: all time. And he was good against good teams. He

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Speaker 1: was productive, he wasn't over, he was running for his life.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, I probably just whiffed, So I

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Speaker 1: am and I'll sit again. I think Flaco starts, they

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Speaker 1: move Picket, somebody's gonna go down in camp. They'll get

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Speaker 1: a seventh round pick for Picket. I think Cleveland wants

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Speaker 1: more picks. They're gonna fight like hell to get a

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Speaker 1: sixth round pick at a Kenny Pickett if they move him,

685
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Speaker 1: because they got two firsts. I think they want they

686
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Speaker 1: want every pick possible, So if they finish like third

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Speaker 1: or fourth in the draft, they can move up to

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Speaker 1: number one. I think they give away the farm and

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Speaker 1: probably should to get arch Manning. But here I had

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Speaker 1: Dave wanstad On earlier. Here's his thoughts on sort of

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Speaker 1: all this speeding tickets and the nonsense with Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 6: No one ever talked about it. But your quarterback is

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Speaker 6: the face of the program, and everything is going to

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Speaker 6: be magnified that this kid does. And the second thing

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Speaker 6: that really bothers me is, you know, and I'm sure

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Speaker 6: Dion's told him this, son, there's a reason that you

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Speaker 6: fell from the first round down to the fours a

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Speaker 6: fifth round. There's a reason for that. Okay, we cannot

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Speaker 6: give these people any reason to think anything negative about

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Speaker 6: you except football performance. If the football performance isn't good enough, hey,

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Speaker 6: that's it. But don't give them any other reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought Dave nailed it on the Caleb Williams stuff.

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Speaker 3: And the Shador Sanders stuff. It's and I hear this.

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Speaker 1: All the time about well, I mean, come on, speeding tickets.

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Speaker 1: Speeding tickets for the average citizen aren't good, but a

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Speaker 1: speeding ticket for a CEO of a company. Two of

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Speaker 1: them in a week makes you look like you're irresponsible.

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Speaker 1: There are certain offices in a building, the corner one

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Speaker 1: with the really nice oak tables. You're not judged the

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Speaker 1: same and you getting a speeding ticket. Thirty four percent

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Speaker 1: of American men have been arrested. You hold quarterbacks, even

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Speaker 1: in a football locker room, to a totally different standard.

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Speaker 1: They're the one that sits up there on a Wednesday

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Speaker 1: with the big bank sponsor behind him, you know, telling

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Speaker 1: you Tom Brady and Big Ben, especially Brady Brady for

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Speaker 1: years did a Monday radio hit in Boston. Do you

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Speaker 1: think he needed to do it. No, he wanted to

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Speaker 1: set the agenda for the franchise. Big Ben did the

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Speaker 1: same thing Big Ben in Pittsburgh. Those guys didn't need

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Speaker 1: the money. They did it to set the agenda going

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Speaker 1: into practice, create some intensity and urgency, win or lose.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I just you got to do better.

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Speaker 1: So it is kind of a fascinating space right now

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Speaker 1: for Shuitar Sanders. Here's the other thing. Fans and I

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Speaker 1: agree on this completely. Yesterday I had a topic. The

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Speaker 1: Athletic came out with their top rated every NFL team.

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Speaker 1: They had the Packers at like five or six and

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Speaker 1: the Broncos at fourteen, and I'm like, well, Denver's better

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Speaker 1: than fourteen, and I don't think the Packers are top.

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Speaker 3: Five or six. Well, they did a fan poll.

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Speaker 1: These were their power camp ratings power ratings yesterday. So

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Speaker 1: I said, Broncos are too low, Packers are too high.

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Speaker 3: Well, what do you know.

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Speaker 1: The Athletic had a fan poll this morning and the

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Speaker 1: most overrated team was the Packers and the most underrated

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Speaker 1: team was the Broncos. So now they're both going to

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Speaker 1: be fine because they have offensive coaches and they have

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Speaker 1: young talented quarterbacks going into their prime or in their prime.

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Speaker 1: I mean bo Nix is pretty old, so he may

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Speaker 1: be in his prime at the end of this year

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of next year. So they're both going

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Speaker 1: to be fine because there is a recipe. If you

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Speaker 1: look at the Super Bowl odds right now, look at

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Speaker 1: this JMX. The super Bowl odds this year ten of

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Speaker 1: fourteen teams, seventy five percent the highest ones have an

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Speaker 1: offensive coach. So now now you could say, what about Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: what about Baltimore? Yes, if you have Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, what about Washington or Jaden Daniels. If you

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Speaker 1: have a superstar, game changing quarterback, then it becomes less relevant.

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Speaker 1: But by and large, what are the teams all of

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Speaker 1: the top have in common, either a superstar quarterback or

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Speaker 1: an offensive coach. And if you look at the final

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Speaker 1: four coaches left in the last four or five years,

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Speaker 1: the last guy to win a Super Bowl defensive guy

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Speaker 1: was Belichick.

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Speaker 3: Think how long ago that was.

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Speaker 1: So there is clearly a blueprint, a process, and a formula.

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Speaker 1: So both Denver and Green Bay are fine because they've

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Speaker 1: got a good offensive coach and a better than average quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So I think they'll both. I think they're both going

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Speaker 1: to be playoff teams.

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Speaker 5: Probably when you look at those odds on the screen

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Speaker 5: for the radio audience, the Bill's Ravens.

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Speaker 7: Eagles Chiefs are top four. I think it's pretty clear.

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Speaker 5: If you're looking for value to bet on, you have

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Speaker 5: to go a into the NFC where it's an easier

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Speaker 5: path like the in the AFC column. You may have

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Speaker 5: to go through mahomes Lamar and Josh Allen, and that's

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Speaker 5: like mission impossible. So I'm seeing the Rams at plus

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Speaker 5: twenty two hundred, and I'm like, wait a minute. I

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Speaker 5: know gambling guys who like the Rams. I know you're

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Speaker 5: on the Rams. They had a great offseason. Why why

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Speaker 5: are they below the Commanders?

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Speaker 3: What about the lasting year?

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Speaker 1: So I get McVeigh, Stafford, great GM, big money, and

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Speaker 1: they've hit three straight years of defensive draft picks and

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Speaker 1: they have no contracts disputes and they're basically the same

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Speaker 1: odds as the Bengals.

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Speaker 7: How are the Packers ahead of the Rams? I mean

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Speaker 7: even Packer's division is probably tougher.

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Speaker 1: I don't If you and I said, let's name the

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Speaker 1: best players between the Rams and Packers, Stafford's your best player.

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Speaker 5: I can argue, well, Davante's better than any receiver.

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Speaker 7: The Packers have.

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Speaker 3: Also Jared Verse.

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Speaker 1: Jared Verse is top five player, and by the end

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Speaker 1: of this year, Jared Verse will be thought of as

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Speaker 1: a top five pass rusher. Now they do have Josh

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Speaker 1: Jacobs and Zach tom and.

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Speaker 7: Kyen Williams is really freaking good with the Rams.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that Josh Jacobs is that much better

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Speaker 5: than him.

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Speaker 7: Like, where are the Packers better than the Rams?

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Speaker 1: Like, not in the front seven, defensively, secondary, maybe in

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Speaker 1: the secondary, maybe not at wide receiver with Puca Devonte

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Speaker 1: Adams all call tell you. I think they're more athletic.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna see how Terrence Ferguson, the rookie from Oregon

798
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Speaker 1: does with the Rams. He was a second or third

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Speaker 1: round pick. I think I really like the Packers tight ends.

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Speaker 1: They're not great, but they're really really good.

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Speaker 7: We'll give you that. That's all you got.

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Speaker 1: Head coach, quarterback, defensive front seven, consistent pass rush. It's

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Speaker 1: Rams all day.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, yeah, I Rams are the value bet

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Speaker 7: on that boarder.

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Speaker 1: It's funny that a big market team and Sean McVay

807
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Speaker 1: and Matt Stafford everywhere I looked the last three years.

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Speaker 1: Now the knock on the Rams and it's fair. In

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Speaker 1: terms of plus minus, their point differential was actually the

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Speaker 1: lowest of top teams in the league. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of that is because Buffalo and Baltimore and Detroit and

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia just crushed people. The Rams tend to beat you.

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Speaker 1: You know, Stafford's not running around creating. They beat you

814
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Speaker 1: on the whiteboard, They beat you schematically, they beat you

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Speaker 1: with coaching and precision. So the Rams are not the avalanche. Baltimore, Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia and Detroit have been often with great mobile quarterbacks

817
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: and great old lines. But I think the Rams again

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Speaker 1: this year, are undervalued.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, baseball trade deadline. Adam Wainwright Tomorrow's headlines

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