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Speaker 2: Coast to coast.

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Speaker 1: College football was never meant to have conferences sixteen or

437
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Speaker 1: eighteen teams deep. But yet here we are, and so

438
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Speaker 1: scheduling is stupid right now. Even league scheduling is stupid

439
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Speaker 1: right now. So do we at least agree on that?

440
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Speaker 1: Do we all at least agree that it's pretty dumb

441
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Speaker 1: to have eighteen teams or sixteen teams in a conference

442
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Speaker 1: and have the vast disparity and strength of schedule team

443
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Speaker 1: A to team B. I mean, last year I looked

444
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Speaker 1: at Florida and then I looked at Missouri. These schedules

445
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: were from different planets, and yet allegedly they played in

446
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Speaker 1: the same conference. So here's what I would love to do,

447
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Speaker 1: and we've been working on this internally. I am really

448
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: really passionate maybe the right word. I'm really aggressive about

449
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Speaker 1: properly defining strength to schedule for our own purposes, per

450
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Speaker 1: pie the plural of purpose in house. I just want

451
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Speaker 1: to know that from my own self. However, I also

452
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Speaker 1: wish college football was a lot more dutiful about properly

453
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Speaker 1: defining strength to schedule. So again, there's a problem. But

454
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Speaker 1: what are we about around here? We want solutions, So

455
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Speaker 1: in house around here lately we've been working on blending

456
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Speaker 1: the proper criteria to properly define strength to schedule.

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Speaker 2: And by that I just.

458
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Speaker 1: Mean I want to be able to pull up your

459
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Speaker 1: one through twelve who are you playing this year? And

460
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Speaker 1: I want to really know how tough your schedule is.

461
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Speaker 1: And by tough, I don't mean let's just add up

462
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Speaker 1: the combined record of your opponents at the end of

463
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Speaker 1: the year, because you know, if you are what your

464
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Speaker 1: record says you are, then your schedule is a culmination

465
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Speaker 1: of what your opponent's records say they are. That's just

466
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Speaker 1: kindergarten nineteen eighty four. We've come a long way since then,

467
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Speaker 1: so we got a little better understanding of the sport

468
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: as it blends with data and mathematics and logic than

469
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Speaker 1: we did back then. So what we do in house

470
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Speaker 1: every year this year, no exception, is I do like

471
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Speaker 1: to go over in this time of year, because we

472
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Speaker 1: haven't even gone through spring yet. I like to look

473
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Speaker 1: at an odds board. Okay, I like to know, Hey,

474
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Speaker 1: what are the biggest sports books in the country saying

475
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Speaker 1: about a team's odds to win the.

476
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Speaker 2: Title this upcoming year. I go look at your roster talent,

477
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Speaker 2: and I weigh that.

478
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Speaker 1: I look at the quality of your coaching staff and

479
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Speaker 1: your organization, and I weigh that. And we throw all

480
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Speaker 1: of these things in a blender. Take all that criteria,

481
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Speaker 1: just toss it in a blender, weighed it properly, mix

482
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Speaker 1: it properly. There's no one thing that's disproportionately waited there,

483
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Speaker 1: although I mean I would argue roster grade is pretty

484
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Speaker 1: heavily weighted. But what we do is we do all

485
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Speaker 1: that and then we spit it out and I filter

486
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Speaker 1: the teams into eight different tiers, you know, so that

487
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Speaker 1: when I look at your schedule, I don't see that

488
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Speaker 1: you're playing Akron and then you're playing Charlotte, and then

489
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Speaker 1: you're playing Clemson, and then you're playing Ohio State. I

490
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Speaker 1: see that you're playing a Tier eight, and then a

491
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Speaker 1: Tier six, and then a Tier two and then a

492
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Speaker 1: Tier one. And that's how I like to define your schedule.

493
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Speaker 1: And that's a living, breathing rating that changes throughout the

494
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Speaker 1: year and.

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Speaker 2: So on and so forth.

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Speaker 1: So before we move on, I want to ask everyone,

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Speaker 1: does that make sense to you?

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Speaker 2: I just laid out the basic logic.

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Speaker 1: You may have minor tweaks that you would make, You

500
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Speaker 1: may have things that you care about a little bit

501
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Speaker 1: more than I do, but broadstrukes purposes, does that make sense?

502
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Speaker 1: Does that inform you, in other words, about how difficult

503
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Speaker 1: some schedule may be more than just looking at the

504
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Speaker 1: record of the teams on the schedule. If you answer no,

505
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Speaker 1: then the rest of this segment is not for you.

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Speaker 1: I would venture to think most of you understand to

507
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Speaker 1: some degree. This is college football. There's a little bit

508
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Speaker 1: more to how good a team is than what their

509
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Speaker 1: record indicates. And I'm not so much talking about grading

510
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Speaker 1: the team, Like if I'm Peate State over here and

511
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Speaker 1: I'm nine and three, well, let's say I'm nine and

512
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Speaker 1: two and you're playing me this weekend.

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Speaker 2: I'm not so much talking about whether nine and.

514
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Speaker 1: Two should be the way I judge peate state when

515
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Speaker 1: it comes to a playoff or anything like that. I mean,

516
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Speaker 1: for your purposes, you need to know, Hey, are my

517
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Speaker 1: two losses to the number one and number two team

518
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Speaker 1: in the country or did I lose two games to

519
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Speaker 1: average teams and then get fat on nine wins against

520
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Speaker 1: teams outside the top one hundred Like that matters very

521
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Speaker 1: much so when it comes to defining your strength of schedule.

522
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Speaker 1: So that's all we're trying to do here. So I'm

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Speaker 1: looking in the live chat people say, yes, this makes sense.

524
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Speaker 1: The reason I wanted you to answer that, or if

525
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Speaker 1: you were listening to the replay listening to the podcast later,

526
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Speaker 1: the reason I want you to answer that before I

527
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Speaker 1: tell you what I'm about to tell you is because

528
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Speaker 1: I want to know if the logic seems sound to you,

529
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Speaker 1: because this is the way you should approach this sort

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Speaker 1: of thing.

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Speaker 2: Does that reason?

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Speaker 1: Does that logic seem sound because there's no emotion involved

533
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Speaker 1: in it, There's no favoritism, there's no bias, there's no

534
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Speaker 1: anything like that. Right, do we agree with that? I

535
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Speaker 1: think most of us agree with that, all right. So

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Speaker 1: with that in mind, I need to inform you the

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Speaker 1: SEC has eleven of the twelve toughest schedules this upcoming year.

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Speaker 1: I'm just pausing for a second because we have thousands

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Speaker 1: upon thousands of examples, at least of people who were

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Speaker 1: listening to the show or watching the show who just

541
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Speaker 1: agreed that the logic makes sense that are now calling

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Speaker 1: at SEC homerism.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't even change anything.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I kind of had you agree on it

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Speaker 1: before I presented the number.

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Speaker 2: The number is the number. Number could change.

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Speaker 1: The number will change because we haven't gone through spring,

548
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Speaker 1: we haven't done our own inputs. So this is a

549
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Speaker 1: very very preliminary stat that I'm holding in my hand,

550
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: but just a very very broad February sort of look

551
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Speaker 1: at this, and this is another reason scheduling is so

552
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: broken in this sport. Right now, the SEC teams, we've

553
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Speaker 1: got sixteen of them. SEC teams face fifty four combined

554
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: Tier one opponents this year.

555
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Speaker 2: A lot of that's in conference play.

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Speaker 1: The Big ten face is forty okay, so SEC fifty

557
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: four Tier one opponents. Big ten a little behind, but

558
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Speaker 1: still way up there. Forty Tier one opponents. The ACC

559
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: has a combined eighteen Tier one opponents the Big twelve

560
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Speaker 1: has one, and I think that was an out of

561
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: conference game against like Oregon or something like that. Twelve

562
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Speaker 1: of the sixteen teams in the SEC are either in

563
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Speaker 1: Tier one or Tier two. That is not to say

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Speaker 1: that we would use this system to project that twelve

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Speaker 1: SEC teams finishing like the top fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Of course that's impossible.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the difficulty you have in playing that

568
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Speaker 1: team on any given Saturday when we're trying to define

569
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Speaker 1: your strength to schedule. So the pushback on this before

570
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Speaker 1: anyone even bothers typing it is a system like this

571
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Speaker 1: is built to be self fulfilling for the myth that

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Speaker 1: is SEC and or Big Ten supremacy, and the thinking

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Speaker 1: there is well, of course, if you game the criteria

574
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Speaker 1: on the front end, you can make the SEC or

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Speaker 1: the Big ten or any conference look as good as

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Speaker 1: you want to on the back end, which is.

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Speaker 2: Again why I asked, does the logic make sense?

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Speaker 1: Because see, when we run our data sets, when we

579
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Speaker 1: run our modeling, the computer doesn't even know what an

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Speaker 1: SEC team is or a Big ten team is. So

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Speaker 1: the insinuation there for anyone who thinks that's foul play

582
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: involved here would be well, yeah, the computer doesn't know

583
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: what an SEC team is, but you know because you

584
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: programmed the thing. You know that the SEC teams are

585
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Speaker 1: gonna disproportionately recruit at a higher level. So if you

586
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Speaker 1: tell the computer to disproportionately weight roster talent at a

587
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: higher level, then lo and behold, it's gonna say the

588
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: SEC plays buying large a tougher conference schedule. Yes it is.

589
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Speaker 1: Where's the flaw in that logic? Can you think of

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Speaker 1: something that makes an opponent tough that doesn't have to

591
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: do with the talent on the field? Am I missing

592
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: something there? So? Yes, this may say something you do

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Speaker 1: or don't like. I got plenty about the sport I

594
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: don't like. Hey, I wish the SEC didn't have sixteen

595
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Speaker 1: teams in the conference. I wish Texas and Oklahoma are

596
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Speaker 1: still in the Big twelve. I got a lot of

597
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Speaker 1: things I wish, but it's not reality. I wish Oregon

598
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Speaker 1: wasn't in the Big ten. I wish they were in

599
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Speaker 1: the Pac ten, and I wish it was called ten

600
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Speaker 1: instead of twelve.

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Speaker 2: I got a lot of things I wish.

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Speaker 1: I'm just calling balls and strikes here as it relates

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Speaker 1: to strength of schedule. So the thing I took away

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Speaker 1: from this is it's actually a really good time to

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Speaker 1: be an elite team in the Big Ten because the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten at the top's really good. I would argue

607
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Speaker 1: last year it was better than the SEC. I think

608
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Speaker 1: that's pretty obvious. I don't think many people disagree with that.

609
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Speaker 1: But think about the difference in the Tier two tier

610
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Speaker 1: three depth in the Big Ten. You got Ohio State

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Speaker 1: and any given year, Michigan, Oregon, Penn State's going to

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Speaker 1: be there. What is Tier two? It's really nothing. You

613
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Speaker 1: just kind of skip down to what the equivalent of

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Speaker 1: Tier three would be. In the SEC. We may not

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Speaker 1: have even had the equivalent of a Tier one, although

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Speaker 1: we did, but there is so much tier two. Twelve

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Speaker 1: of the sixteen teams in the SEC, by this logic,

618
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Speaker 1: are either Tier one or Tier two teams. The Big Ten,

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Speaker 1: by comparison, has four Tier one teams but only one

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Speaker 1: in Tier two. So there's a cliff and then it

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Speaker 1: drops off. So if you're Ohio State, State, Oregon, whatever,

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Speaker 1: in the Big Ten, and you qualify as elite for

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Speaker 1: that given year, you want to play as many conference

624
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Speaker 1: games as you can because statistically you're more than likely

625
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: playing a bunch of Tier three or below teams, and

626
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: you're getting fat and you get the flags on people

627
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: because you talk about how many conference games you're playing.

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Speaker 1: And Notre Dame also isn't a really good position here

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Speaker 1: because Notre Dame gets to decide their schedule. I got

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Speaker 1: no problem in Notre Dame. I'm normally the one defending

631
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: them when people hate on their schedule. But Notre Dame

632
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Speaker 1: doesn't play a lot of games against any tier of

633
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Speaker 1: the SEC, so they're playing a national schedule. They'll they'll

634
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: play a top ACC team in Miami, they'll play a

635
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: good one from the SEC, a good Tier two team

636
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: in Texas, A and M. This year, they'll play a

637
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Tier three or Tier four in the SEC on the

638
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: road at Arkansas. But look at the totality of that schedule,

639
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: it's a really manageable schedule. We have it in the

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Speaker 1: fifties this year, I think as of right now. So

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Speaker 1: we aren't talking about the same sport. It's what I'm

642
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: getting at. The whole purpose behind this, the whole reason

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Speaker 1: you have to talk about college football like this in

644
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: a way you would never talk about pro sports is

645
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: because in the NFL, the first hardest schedule and the

646
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: thirty second hardest schedule are relatively close together compared to

647
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: college football. Where you got Oklahoma this year. I want

648
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: you to listen to this. Oklahoma this year will play

649
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: six games against Tier one teams. They'll play three games

650
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: against Tier two teams. Brigham Young will play zero games

651
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: against Tier one or Tier two teams. And I'm supposed

652
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: to believe you are what your record says you are,

653
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: and they're playing the same sport. In reality, I mean

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Speaker 1: Brigham Young has got ten games versus teams Tier four

655
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Speaker 1: or worse. In reality, I think most people would look

656
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Speaker 1: at that and if Oklahoma went nine to three, you

657
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Speaker 1: would consider them better than a ten to two Brigham Young.

658
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: The committee would consider them better than at ten to

659
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Speaker 1: two Brigham Young. In a logic based world where this

660
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Speaker 1: is properly weighted, you would have a world where on

661
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: eleven and one Brigham Young is not superior to an

662
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Speaker 1: eight and four Oklahoma, depending on how that played out.

663
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Speaker 1: The disparity in these schedules is night and day. Night

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Speaker 1: and day. That is nine games Oklahoma plays. That is

665
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: tougher than Brigham Young's toughest game this year. We're not

666
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: even talking about the same sport. So there exists a

667
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Speaker 1: need to define strength of schedule much differently than you

668
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: are what your record says you are. We'll work on

669
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Speaker 1: it when i'm elected. If i'm elected, I think I

670
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: probably alienated a lot of people there. Again, I want

671
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: to remind you, I don't like the way it is

672
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: right now. I don't like that two schedules have completely

673
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: or two conferences have completely swallowed up the sport. Don't

674
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: like it, advocated against it, fought against it. Don't like

675
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Speaker 1: a lot of this. But once we're there, I'm not

676
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna pretend it doesn't exist. I don't say power for

677
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: very often on the show. The reason is because it

678
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: insinuates there are four equal conferences out there. There aren't.

679
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: There aren't at all. There's a grand canyon between the

680
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: top two and whoever number three is. The cutoff is

681
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: not after number four. The cutoff is after number two,

682
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: whether I like it or not, because I don't. But

683
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: to ignore that is to just ignore reality. And it's

684
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: almost like you're trying to You're trying to traffic in

685
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: this idealistic, like fairy tale college football world.

686
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't exist.

687
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: This college football is like Shawshank right now, it's a

688
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: very ugly, mean place. But what are we gonna do.

689
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: We gotta come in and clean it up, that's what

690
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: we gotta do. Let's move on. I had a question

691
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Speaker 1: about a noteworthy young man in the sport of college football.

692
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: So let me just go ahead and get to this

693
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: right quick. I promise we're going to handle this responsibly

694
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: this year. Greg from Houston, Texas, He said, I'm getting

695
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: really tired of seeing the Arch Manning hype. I'm tired

696
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: of seeing Arch being put on all these social graphics

697
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: as the best returning player or the best quarterback. He

698
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: hasn't played a big game yet, it's just because his

699
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: last name is Manning. Tell me I'm wrong. Well, Greg,

700
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: which graphics are you talking about? I need that first.

701
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: I need to know which social media graphic, which person,

702
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: which company defined Arch Manning as the best returning player

703
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: or the best returning quarterback? Show me that first, because

704
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, Greg,

705
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm saying I haven't seen it. But then, secondly, let's

706
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: be very careful here now. I'm not just talking to Greg,

707
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking to everyone. Remember a generation ago, guy by

708
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: the name of Tim Tebow comes through Florida, and by

709
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: the time he leaves Florida, I'm being told Tim Tebow

710
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: is the most polarizing player in college football.

711
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: And even at the time, I was still really young.

712
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Even at the time, I remember thinking, what's polarizing about

713
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow? So I had some buddies that hated Tebow,

714
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of Georgia fans, mainly so they don't just

715
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: hate him because of that Gator logo or the fact

716
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: that he beat him more times than not. They hated

717
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: him when you really got down to it and you

718
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: had them be honest with you. They hated Tebow because

719
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: he was overexposed. Everyone talked about him. He's on the

720
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: cover of every magazine. He is the lead topic on

721
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: Sports Center and College Football Live and College Football Final.

722
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: Its Tebow everywhere, tibo Mania, as they called him. So

723
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: their answer was I'm a hate Tim Tebow. Well, Tim

724
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: Tebow didn't write a single article about himself. Tim Tebow

725
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: didn't host a single segment about himself. So I always

726
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: wondered then, just like I'll wonder about Arch Manning this year.

727
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: Do you hate Arch Manning or do you hate the

728
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: over coverage of arch Manning. I would think it's the

729
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: latter disguised as the former. So what we'll do on

730
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: this show is we'll talk about arch Manning as the

731
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: situation warrants, but I will I'll tell you ahead.

732
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Speaker 2: Of time what my expectations are.

733
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Speaker 1: Like, he's number two over at FanDuel in the Heismanage

734
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: right now. That's high to me. I expect arch Manning

735
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: to play good enough for Texas to contend for.

736
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Speaker 2: A playoff spot.

737
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Speaker 1: Anything above and beyond that I'll be happy with. But

738
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Speaker 1: I will not be disappointed if that guy doesn't light

739
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: it up and rewrite the record books in year one. Now,

740
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: the hype train is going to be such that if

741
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: you buy into that, there's probably nothing he can do

742
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: to match it. I mean, very rarely does a player

743
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: you know of that caliber end up meeting the hype.

744
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: And if they do, that's great, But I don't expect

745
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: him to be that, you know, So I'm not going

746
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: to be let down if he's just the seventh best

747
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: quarterback in the country this year. That's where I stand

748
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: on it. But I do want to get to that

749
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: one other thing, Greg said. Greg said arch Manning wouldn't

750
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Speaker 1: be this hyped if not for his name. Well, here's

751
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: the thing, Greg, you're probably right about that. I doubt

752
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: we'd hear as much about arch Manning. He's a five

753
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: star quarterback and he's at the University of Texas, so

754
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: we'd still hear about him. But you're right, we probably

755
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't hear about him as much if his last name

756
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: wasn't Manning. But the insinuation there is there's nothing to

757
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: that last name. Well, how dumb would we have been

758
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: in retrospect if we had watched Archie Manning play his

759
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: career and then he's got a kid named Peyton coming along,

760
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, because this all happened, and Peyton has a

761
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: high profile recruitment because this actually happened, and he commits

762
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Speaker 1: to Tennessee, and folks run around saying, you know, it's

763
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: that last name that's drawn the hype.

764
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Speaker 2: Well, what did Peyton Manning go on to do?

765
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Speaker 1: Then he's got a brother named Eli, and so just rent,

766
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Speaker 1: swash and repeat.

767
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Speaker 2: It's the last name.

768
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Speaker 1: Dude gives them to win two Super Bowls, you know,

769
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: but it's just the last name man People are getting

770
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: so caught up in it. So now we're going another

771
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: generation down the lineage arch Manning. Yeah, he's got that

772
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: last name. What else does he have? Because of the

773
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Speaker 1: last name, number one, he's got total immersion for his

774
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: entire lifetime into what it means to play quarterback at

775
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: the highest level the sport can possibly put you in

776
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: number two. Obviously, the genetics checked out. If you've ever

777
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: seen him in person, you've watched him play, you understand

778
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: genetically he didn't get short changed. That's another thing that matters.

779
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: You know, DNA matters a lot when it comes to

780
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: your last name. And there's a very early indicator here

781
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: that in the way he handles himself, it's textbook arch Manning.

782
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: In reality, if he's as good as we think he'll be,

783
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: Texas would be willing to accept some baggage along with that.

784
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: No one will ever say that.

785
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: Sark would never say that publicly, but most head coaches know,

786
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Speaker 1: if you're guaranteeing me that I'm getting superstar caliber talent

787
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: at quarterback, a little diva personality every now and then,

788
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, a little tough to handle.

789
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: And practice every now and then, that's just par for

790
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: the course.

791
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: That's part of it. Will accept it because the reward

792
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: at the end of the day makes it worth it.

793
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: He hasn't had any baggage that we know about arch Man.

794
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: He's been like a model citizen over there. He had

795
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: heard a peep out of him. So you've got all

796
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: the pluses with what that last name entails. The dude

797
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: should be a punk, just like a snot nosed kid.

798
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: He's been handed everything his entire life.

799
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Speaker 2: He's none of that.

800
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Speaker 1: So all of the downside, all of the risk, I

801
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: don't see. I do see the reward. You are probably right, Greg,

802
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: he gets a lot more coverage before he's done anything

803
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: of note at the college level because of what his

804
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: last name was. But I don't just flippantly say that,

805
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: oh well, other than having the last name manning Man,

806
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: other other than the shooting Miss Lincoln, how was the

807
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: play now that other than the part before the other

808
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: than it's pretty significant that last name at the quarterback

809
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: position the sport of football probably gonna have some significance

810
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: that it carries. But we won't overhype him. You have

811
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Speaker 1: my word on that. Let's roll merrily along here they

812
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: are watching us. Sorry, sorry, Colin, I had my post.

813
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: Its screwed up. There we go they're watching us in

814
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, California, Chilicothe, Ohio, which I always thought was

815
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: Chillicooth probably prison pronounced at both times. And Salt Lake City, Utah.

816
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for tuning in too much

817
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: dismay and anguish and gnashing of teeth in the comments.

818
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: We have done the SEC and the Big ten program

819
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: rankings lately. So here's a good endpoint, Colin, It's time

820
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: to rank the ACC programs, not teams programs. What do

821
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: we care about here? How do we define a program?

822
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: Let's quick reminder. We define a program by how good

823
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: you acquire talent recruiting disproportionately, but also the portal. We

824
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: care about your wins and losses. How have you done

825
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: on the field. We care about your resource pool? You broke,

826
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: you got some money in the pockets. How's the facility

827
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: picture looking? And also we care about organizational stability, you

828
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: having the fire folks, you got constant roster and coaching churn.

829
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: And we care about these things over a rolling four

830
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: year period. So any given point to define a program,

831
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: I want a four year snapshot of those things. And

832
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: with that in mind, I think it's pretty obvious. Clemson

833
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: is still the number one program in the ACC. You

834
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: can say they're trending down. That's all relative, though Clemson

835
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: had a long way to trend down before they relinquished

836
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: the top spot of ACC programs. They have won six

837
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Speaker 1: of the last eight ACC championships, including two of the

838
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: past three. No one touches them. No one's touching them,

839
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: and that part. They're the number two recruiting program, number

840
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: two talent acquisition program in the conference right now. The

841
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: foundation been rock solid. Organizationally, they've been rock solid, zero doubt.

842
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: You can question.

843
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: Methodology or strategy here and there. Dabo's got the best program.

844
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: Clemson's got the best program in the ACC, and it's

845
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: the only program there that has a championship pedigree. It's

846
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: the only one, even to this day, where I can

847
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: look at them and say I could say Clemson winning

848
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: a national championship. I can't say that about Miami yet

849
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: under Mario. I can't say that about Mike Norvellan Florida State.

850
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: I have no clue what they're gonna be, and I

851
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: can't say that about anyone else in the conference. Like

852
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: Louisville at their best is probably not a national championship contender.

853
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: No one else in the ACC is so Clemson bio

854
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: pretty wide margin. Right now, I think is the number

855
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: one program in the ACC. Now here's where it gets.

856
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: It gets not fun per se and go as far

857
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: as still we're about to have fun. But this gets debatable.

858
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: So I think Miami is the number two program in

859
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: the ACC. Now they're the number one talent acquisition program

860
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: when you factor in recruiting and portal. No one's acquiring

861
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: talent better than them. So then the follow up is, yeah,

862
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: but they're not winning with it? Well they are. They are,

863
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: maybe not as much as you or I predicted them

864
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: to this past year. But somehow Mario's turned ten wins

865
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: into a disappointment at Miami. That's not a bad thing,

866
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. So they've improved their record year

867
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: over three years that he's been there. Their recruiting and

868
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: their talent acquisition has sored up to the number one

869
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: spot in the conference. You can you can tell me

870
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: they're not elite, and I would agree with you they're not.

871
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: Who are we putting above them? Factoring in the criteria

872
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: we're factoring in here? Who are we putting above them?

873
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: I can't put Florida State above them. Right now, I

874
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: have no clue what Florida State is. Last year was devastating,

875
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: which brings me to my next point. Florida State is

876
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: still number three because this is the reason we do this,

877
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: the reason we do program rankings instead of just team rankings,

878
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: because we do both of them. But the reason we

879
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: had program rankings in is cause Florida State, even though

880
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: they just had a disastrous twenty twenty four I got

881
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: Florida State as the number three program still in the ACC.

882
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: I just can't believe twenty twenty four happened. If you

883
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: defined what you thought the worst case would be for

884
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: Florida State last year, they were several losses worse than

885
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: worst case. But as bad as it was, that's one year.

886
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: So we're factoring in a rolling four year blend here.

887
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: The difference between a team and a program. Theoretically last

888
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: year was just a team. Now, I'd be lying if

889
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: I said I wasn't really nervous about what that meant

890
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: for the program.

891
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: But it doesn't just get turned off overnight.

892
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: They've got a thirteen win season and a ten win

893
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: season baked into the last four years. I'm not overlooking that.

894
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm not forgetting that just because last year was a disaster.

895
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: The outcomes of their approach make them prone to volatility.

896
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: So until they get their recruiting structure in such a

897
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: shape where they're disproportionately leaning on that instead of the portal,

898
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: they're going to be prone to up and down and

899
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: up and down. I don't like it, don't love it,

900
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: But that also means they could immediately bounce back this year.

901
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: Could Nevertheless, I got Florida State at number three, Louisville's

902
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: number four. I consider putting them at number three. Louisville

903
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: I have thought for a while as the most underrated

904
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: program in college football. I think they're led by the

905
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: most underrated head coach in college football. Their last four

906
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: years six wins, eight wins, ten wins, nine wins, Jeff

907
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: Brom I don't think most people would quickly rank as

908
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: a top ten head coach.

909
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: I think Louisville's got a top.

910
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: Ten head coach in college football, So they're in a

911
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: blessed position there. They are probably also the best portal

912
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: reliant program out there right now. They do to a

913
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: large degree what Florida State's been doing. They just do

914
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: it more consistently. There's less volatility with Louisville's approach. Florida

915
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: State goes and rides the portal to a thirteen win season,

916
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: and then they ride the portal straight into haities the

917
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: next year Louisville's. They hadn't won the conference, but Louisville

918
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: also hadn't dipped below eight wins the past three years,

919
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: so they are solidly in there as a top four.

920
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: If you wanted to argue with me that they should

921
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: be the number three program, I wouldn't push back, but

922
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: Florida State's highs have been higher than Louis's. That's why

923
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: Florida State got the edge. This number five spot's tough too.

924
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: SMU has been in the ACC for about thirty minutes.

925
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: I got SMU as the fifth best program in this conference. Now,

926
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: they had good records coming in, but you thought, is

927
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: that going to translate.

928
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: To Power League football? Yeah?

929
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: It did. They played for the conference title last year.

930
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: Schedule was very workable. I can't do anything about that.

931
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: I used to judge them based on what's there. They

932
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: also as a program I love sort of the won't

933
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: be denied attitude they have. I can't quantify that. That's

934
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: pretty anecdotal. I'm looking for supporting evidence to back up

935
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 1: my ranking of them.

936
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: I admit that the recruiting lately has ramped up.

937
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: You can see in the trajectory of a lot of

938
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: their criticals, you can see an acknowledgment that we're in

939
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: the ACC now, we're going to have to ramp it up.

940
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: And they have. They've leveled up in several areas. And

941
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 1: I already think they were pretty good when they got here.

942
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 1: So I got SMU five, all right, six through ten.

943
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: I'll cut it off at ten. I could go any

944
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: order here five through eight. Really, I could go any

945
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: order six to eight, especially, I can go any order.

946
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: I put Duke at number six. They got three straight

947
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: eight win seasons. They've been a good team, really good program.

948
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: They've got head coaching turnover, so they lost Mikelco, they

949
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: brought in Manny Diaz. They just made an ultra aggressive

950
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: move in the portal to get that quarterback from Tulane.

951
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: So I got them at six. I got NC State

952
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 2: at seven.

953
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: Very small gap here, splitting hairs to argue this losing

954
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: season last year Dingdom only because when things are that

955
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: neck and neck, the result of one season can raise

956
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: you or drop.

957
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: You a few degrees more than normal.

958
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, I got at eight. Program is in total

959
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: ascension mode. Their recruiting classes last three cycles, sixty second

960
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: up to thirty third up to twenty first. On field,

961
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: they've had a big jump, and you know, I think

962
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: they'd be garnering a lot more headlines had they won

963
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: that forty two overtime game against Georgia. They didn't, so

964
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: they're still in the weeds a little bit. I would

965
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: suspect Georgia Tech will be higher than eight when we

966
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: do this next spring. I got North Carolina nine, I

967
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: got Syracuse ten. Again, you're kind of splitting Harris when

968
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: you get down there. So there you go, our top

969
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: ten in the ACC. And for the record, the odds

970
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: to win the twenty twenty five ACC Championship, Georgia Tech's

971
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: got better odds than Florida State. Now, so forget about

972
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: what the programs are ranked. That's what the teams are

973
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: in line to do, at least in the odds board.

974
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: Right now, Let's continue to move merrily along. Appreciate you

975
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: guys being tuned in live here. Here's one of my

976
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: periodic smiley faces for the Live chap Hey USA, Canada tonight.

977
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: We moved the show up an hour so we can

978
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: get ready for d hockey tonight. Hockey on Fire right now,

979
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: Oklahoma not so much. Harry hit Me called me Peter,

980
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: So that's the first no no on the show. Secondly,

981
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: he said, give me a realistic expectation for Sooner football

982
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: this year. Well bred venables. First three seasons there six

983
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: and seven, ten and three back to six and seven.

984
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: Not great. So they flushed the offense which was ninety

985
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: seventh in points per game, and it was one hundred

986
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: and thirteenth in yards per game, and they were the

987
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: worst team in FBS in sacks. And they said, all right,

988
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: we got we gotta do something, and so they did,

989
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: and they went and got a quarterback out of the portal,

990
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: They got an offensive coordinator out of the portal, well,

991
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: the coaching portal at least. So the schedule's brutal. So

992
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: my expectation is not a ton of like huge improvement,

993
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: but I hope they at least make a Bowl. They

994
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: got to retool that offensive line, they got to replenish

995
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: the running back room. That's above and beyond the other

996
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: stuff that's obvious I just need noticeable improvement September to December.

997
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: If I just look at the team and I see that, Wow,

998
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: they look better now than they.

999
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: Did three weeks ago.

1000
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: At least that's progress. I'd hope we could have more

1001
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: in year four, but at least that's progress. Ironically, we

1002
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: were looking at b roll of them play Auburn last year.

1003
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: I kind of feel the same way about Auburn this year.

1004
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: So given their schedule, which could be the toughest in

1005
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: the league, seven and five would do it for me,

1006
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: But I don't think it would do it for Oklahoma fans.

1007
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: But you asked me what my expectation would be. I'm

1008
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: just not assuming this overnight rebound, and especially when you

1009
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: factor in that schedule. Remember what Florida did last year.

1010
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 1: Florida ended up gotting out of seven win season. If

1011
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: Oklahoma can do that, it's not the worst thing in

1012
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: the world. John Matti at quarterback, our buckleet offensive coordinator, Like,

1013
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: we don't know, We do not know. We thought Seth

1014
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: Latrell would be okay there, Well he wasn't, so we

1015
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: don't know.

1016
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: We got to find out if it blends.

1017
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: Right now, if the best case happens this is a

1018
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: nine win team, which puts you on college football playoff fringes.

1019
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: But I'm not predicting that they're over under six and

1020
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: a half wins. So if you can hit that over,

1021
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: you go seven wins for me with that schedule, I'm

1022
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: okay with it. I'm okay with I feel like, in

1023
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: a weird way, we're back on track.

1024
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: If we can get there, If we.

1025
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 1: Can get there, if you want to get anywhere, quick

1026
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: Trip probably the answer. I mean, if what you're riding

1027
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: in Carrie's fuel or if you yourself carry caffeine. They

1028
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: carried both of them in plentiful supply at Quick Trip.

1029
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: We appreciate them, the official energy supplier of the show

1030
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: of Pate State. We run on what Quick Trip provides,

1031
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: and we appreciate them. All right, got a couple of

1032
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: more things to get to here. Very interesting question about

1033
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: the Sunshine State. Jeff out of Albuquerque, New Mexico. He said,

1034
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: did you see Bud Elliott's backwards take on the Big twelve? Never? Oh,

1035
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: you know what I said, Colin, I said, the Sunshine State?

1036
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: All right, keep this up, Immunity, I just have to

1037
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: pull the ill switcher ruin myself all right here. We

1038
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: go pretend like you didn't hear any of that if

1039
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: you're watching live. So Jeff from Albuquerque, New Mexico, hit me,

1040
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: He said, did you see bud Elliott's backwards take on

1041
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve never winning a national title in our lifetime?

1042
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: As someone who has called it America's conference, I need

1043
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: Big twelve Paate to tell me how asinine this is.

1044
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: Confirmation bias is what Jeff has come to the table

1045
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: looking for. You are right, Jeff, that I am Big

1046
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: twelve Paate. It's my favorite conference to watch. I have

1047
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: called it America's college football conference. So Jeff is talking

1048
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: about this backwards tweet from one Budrick Elliott.

1049
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: What did Budrick say?

1050
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: Here's what he said, and if you're listening on podcasts,

1051
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: I'm showing it on the screen right now. He said.

1052
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: In terms of having a legit title contender, the Big

1053
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: Twelve is closer to the G five than it is

1054
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: to the other three Power four leagues. I love the

1055
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: Big Twelve for its entertainment value and competitiveness, but barring

1056
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: massive structural changes to college football, will all be dead

1057
00:53:54,920 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: before a Big twelve team wins the playoff? Uh, He's right.

1058
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 2: It's a shame. It's a crime and a shame, as

1059
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: Memo would.

1060
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: Say, But he's right. I don't know what you want

1061
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: me to tell you about that. Do you agree, Jeff

1062
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: or anyone else? Do you agree largely that talent wins championships,

1063
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: not the most talented team, but by and large, is

1064
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: talent going to rule the day at the end of

1065
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: the day, Yes, it is. What would you do if

1066
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: I told you the Big twelve does not have a

1067
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: single program that has recruited in the top twenty on

1068
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: average the past four years?

1069
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: And then what would you.

1070
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: Do if I told you the Big twelve doesn't have

1071
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: a program that's recruited in the top thirty on average

1072
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: the past four years. Because both of those things are true. Now,

1073
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: history's telling us that to win a national title, you

1074
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: got to be a top ten recruiter. I mean, there's

1075
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: one or two outliers like Michigan barely on the outside

1076
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: of the top ten on average recruiting the past four

1077
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: years when they won their title. But outside of those

1078
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: one or two outliers and their fringe outliers, history, this

1079
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: millennium has told us you got to be a top

1080
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: ten recruiting program to win a national title. I don't

1081
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: have a single top thirty in the Big Twelve. The

1082
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,959
Speaker 1: Big Twelve is not winning a national championship. Therefore, might

1083
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: I suggest that we retrain our focus in the Big Twelve.

1084
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: I watched the Big Twelve because I love the competitive

1085
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: balance in the league. I love that it's largely true

1086
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: to what a conference is supposed to be. And number three,

1087
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: I love the randomness, like everyone's pretty well evenly resourced.

1088
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Speaker 1: If I'm in the Big Twelve or if I'm watching

1089
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve, my goal for a team is win

1090
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: their conference, win the Big Twelve conference. If I'm Kansas ORF,

1091
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm TCU, That's what I'm focusing on. I want to

1092
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: get to Dallas on the first Saturday in December and

1093
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: win that league title, because that's a realistic goal because

1094
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: there's no one that's gonna dwarf me in terms of resources.

1095
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: There's no one that's gonna dwarf me in terms of

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Speaker 1: talent roster. There's no coaching staff or salary pool that

1097
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: is infinitely bigger than mine will ever be. I'm competing

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00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: against equally resourced programs, and that is fair, and that

1099
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: is a justifiable way of looking at the sport. However,

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Speaker 1: if I'm at Baylor and instead of worrying about winning

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Speaker 1: the Big Twelve, I'm judging success by whether or not

1102
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Speaker 1: I can win a national title, I'll be a failure forever.

1103
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Speaker 1: I'm not telling you don't dream big or whatnot, but

1104
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Speaker 1: let's dream realistically as well. They're telling you out there,

1105
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Speaker 1: for the sake of shoving a playoff down your throat,

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00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 2: They're not.

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00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: We don't even have forty teams play in the same

1110
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: sport we were supposed to pretend we do. We're supposed

1111
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: to throw around the monark or power for like it

1112
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Speaker 1: means something like, you're kidding yourself right now if you

1113
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,959
Speaker 1: think there's a realistic shot for one of these teams

1114
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: to make the playoff. But Josh, I just watched Arizona

1115
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: State win the Big Twelve. I did too.

1116
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 2: I was there on the field when they did it.

1117
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: Great story. Love everyone in that program, Love them to death.

1118
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: Did a show from Arizona State last year late in

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1121
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Speaker 1: everything about those dudes. Joe Conley probably one of my

1122
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: favorite strength to conditioning guys in America. Don't tell me

1123
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Speaker 1: about Arizona State. I love Arizona State. I love the

1124
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Speaker 1: Big twelve Arizona State. Josh. They took Texas to overtime.

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Speaker 1: How can you say they couldn't win a title. Well,

1126
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: the reason is because of what they would have had

1127
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,680
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1128
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1129
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Speaker 1: talent programs, probably top five talent programs by the time

1130
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Speaker 1: you get to the finish line. And I don't think

1131
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. But what's realistic is for Arizona State

1132
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: to do what they did last year, get picked dead last,

1133
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Speaker 1: and go win the league. Because the gap between one

1134
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,360
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1135
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,160
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Speaker 1: I just wish it. Whether you're a G five fan

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Speaker 1: I wish that selfishly. I wish that because it would

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Speaker 1: then I'll get out of here. Jack hit us up

1175
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: and said, what coach in Florida is facing the most

1176
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Speaker 1: pressure next year? They're all facing different kinds of pressure.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to answer this in February,

1178
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Speaker 1: but I will tell you if I had to just say, okay,

1179
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: let's rank the pressure on the coaches. Norvell's got the

1180
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: most pressure on him, followed by Napier, followed by Morio.

1181
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: If I'm looking at Napier, there was there's so much

1182
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: tangible about how they ended the season last year. Like

1183
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: you're thinking about Florida State, you're trying to grab air

1184
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: when you're trying to tell me, what are they right

1185
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: now Florida. There is a lot of tangible evidence that

1186
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: they are progressing rapidly.

1187
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: They're ascending as a program.

1188
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: We hope dj Lagway is one of the main reasons

1189
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: everybody stayed bought in there. Napier was as good as

1190
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: gone midway through last year, and then they just kept

1191
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: showing up to work and now they're the better for it.

1192
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: They still need a similar result record wise this year.

1193
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: Their schedule's brutal again, So I think that seven or

1194
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: eight win range or better, but minimum baseline at seven

1195
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: or eight win range, They're fine.

1196
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: He's fine. I think Napier is fine.

1197
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: Mario's fine too, Like there's not there's two different kinds

1198
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: of pressure in college football.

1199
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Speaker 2: We talk about it all the time.

1200
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: There's job security pressure, like you better win right now

1201
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: or you're fired, and then there's competitive pressure. Mario has

1202
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: no job security pressure. They just won ten games in

1203
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: the regular season. He's got competitive pressure, which everyone should

1204
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: have all the time. You shouldn't need your boss breathing

1205
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: down your neck. You shouldn't need the message boards calling

1206
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: you out to have competitive pressure. The competitive pressure for

1207
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: them is Miami used to mean something, and that doesn't anymore,

1208
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: or recently it hasn't, and I want it to mean

1209
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: that thing again, which means, if I've got a Heisman

1210
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: caliber quarterback and we lead the country and scoring, we

1211
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: better be better than just ten and two. You know,

1212
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: we'd better be a higher caliber outfit than blowing a

1213
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: lead to Syracuse and losing on the road at Georgia

1214
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: Tech games that were favored in games were supposed to win.

1215
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: But that's competitive pressure. There's no job security pressure on him.

1216
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 1: By the way, I know, we can just gloss over

1217
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: ten wins. Guys, outside of twenty seventeen, Miami had a

1218
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: ten win season only one other time since they joined

1219
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1220
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Speaker 1: the ACC in four So he's got them at a

1221
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: better level than they've been in a long time. And

1222
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: you could argue that, I mean, there's reason for optimism

1223
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Speaker 1: that they'll continue to improve.

1224
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: No guarantees in life.

1225
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: But I've got reason for optimism that they'll continue to improve.

1226
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: So that's that's competitive pressure down there now at Florida State.

1227
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: I've got no clue at Florida State. Logic says, how

1228
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: could you have job security pressure at Florida State when

1229
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: you just won the conference a year ago, when you

1230
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: just got a contract extension a year ago, and it's

1231
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: one season?

1232
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: It was just one down season. All that makes sense

1233
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: to me.

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01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: But are we trying to apply logic to an illogical world?

1235
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: Because if they went six and six, that'd be one thing.

1236
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: They went two to ten. Like I said earlier in

1237
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Speaker 1: the show, find me the biggest FSU hater in the world,

1238
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: go back to August and have that person's worst case

1239
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: record scenario for Florida State. It was not two and ten.

1240
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: So they did worse than the worst case that the

1241
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: haters of Florida State would have laid out for them.

1242
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: So was it one season? Yes?

1243
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: Do I still think Mike Norvell is the heck of

1244
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: a coach?

1245
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: Yes? I do. Did they make a ton of moves

1246
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: to overhaul things and change things? They changed both coordinator positions,

1247
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Speaker 1: He took a salary reduction.

1248
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: Yes to all of these things.

1249
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: Yes, But when you're that bad, when it falls off

1250
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Speaker 1: the cliff that violently, I'm uneasy because.

1251
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what you are.

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01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you are, so neither does

1253
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: the fan base. So it may be that they hop

1254
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: right back up and they win nine games this year

1255
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,959
Speaker 1: in all's well, that ends well, But what if they

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01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: what if they lose to Bama by seventeen and week

1257
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: one at home? Just like, what if that happens, Well,

1258
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: we're right back in the same vibe that we were

1259
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: to end the year. So yeah, there's pressure to varying

1260
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Speaker 1: degrees down there in the state of Florida. Okay, look,

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Speaker 1: it's hockey, guys. I strongly encourage you to do your

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Speaker 2: At the same time as usual Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: Until then for direct to Collins and producer Jesse, I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Baith.

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