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Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Jaguars. Senior writer John Osher, NFL network

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Speaker 1: analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks and senior reporter J. P.

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Speaker 1: Shaffick bring you the latest on yours Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. Bucky

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Speaker 3: Brooks in La.

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Speaker 2: I'm with John Oser, I'm JP Shaddick.

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Speaker 3: By the way, We're in the Miller Electric Center, the

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Speaker 3: Hyundai studios. As the off season continues, we'll get the

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Speaker 3: football coming up. We'll hear from Mark Lamping coming up

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Speaker 3: as well, Jaguar's team president on the opening of the

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Speaker 3: office building earlier this week.

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Speaker 2: Bucky, what's going on? What happened to you?

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Speaker 4: And c What are you talking about? Baseball is going great,

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Speaker 4: they're crushing it. Spraceball season is good.

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Speaker 5: Spring football season this year second year head coach.

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Speaker 4: Spring football is good. Women's team is in the sweet

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Speaker 4: six team. But I have no idea what you're talking about,

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Speaker 4: Like what life is good as Atario?

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Speaker 2: What would it be bad?

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Speaker 5: Buckie? That was a hard watch the other night.

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Speaker 4: Man. Oh you're talking about you talk about the men's

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Speaker 4: basketball team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm watching it.

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Speaker 6: With my wife. And again, I'm not the die. I'm

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Speaker 6: not tar Hill Blue, tar Hill Bred, tar Hill dead

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Speaker 6: like you are, but they're They're the team that I

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Speaker 6: follow and I loved Dean Smith, love Roy Williams.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look different time.

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Speaker 6: That was not a a Carolina coached team.

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Speaker 4: The other night, Yeah, would say it's not a Carolina

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Speaker 4: coach team. It was not a Carolina team from a

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Speaker 4: talent standpoint, even though Katob Wilson was injured. It's a

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Speaker 4: lot different, like to we're not gonna make this a

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Speaker 4: tar Hill podcast. But for most of my childhood I

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Speaker 4: am used to being first or second my team in basketball,

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Speaker 4: Like you could.

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Speaker 5: Write that in and believe you ought to be first.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And when they finished second, it was like, what

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Speaker 4: are we doing right? You know? Like so it's it's

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Speaker 4: been it's been a challenge to see them fall off.

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Speaker 4: And I'll say this, they finished fourth in the a

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Speaker 4: SEC this year, which was quite an accomplishment given after

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Speaker 4: they lost the player. But they are in a crossroads

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Speaker 4: in terms of who they're going to be in this

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Speaker 4: new world with nil revenue share in those things, you

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Speaker 4: have to either go all in on being transactional or

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Speaker 4: you have to be bold enough to be transformational and

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Speaker 4: say hey, we're gonna do it a certain way and

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Speaker 4: be okay when the results are not consistently what they

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Speaker 4: were back in the past.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was Roy's genius.

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Speaker 6: I mean even when Roy what won like three he

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Speaker 6: never went big time n B a.

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Speaker 5: Guy to do it. I wonder if you can do

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Speaker 5: it that way change, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I would. I would say the difference is though, because

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Speaker 4: when I look at all these teams, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if all of the great teams, like for instance, Houston

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Speaker 4: was really good. They're doing it with fourth and fifth

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Speaker 4: year players that have stayed in the program. They may

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Speaker 4: have a proer too. But I would say maybe the

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Speaker 4: difference is the profile is not that of a blue

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Speaker 4: blood where you expect it every year, so they build

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Speaker 4: it differently, and they had the patients to wait. I

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Speaker 4: don't know, like like in Kentucky. Kentucky and Carolina are

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Speaker 4: kind of in the same thing. The fan base doesn't

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Speaker 4: have the patience to wait for rebuild their expectations every year.

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Speaker 4: Every year. We need to be there.

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Speaker 6: Much like that when you can walk to Duke and

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Speaker 6: they never rebuild. I mean you can walk over there,

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Speaker 6: Buck but you know that.

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Speaker 4: Duke has not won a national title since twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 4: so a lot of that is a bit of a myth.

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Speaker 2: I don't know something.

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Speaker 4: Teams like you can go to the dance, but if

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Speaker 5: What's shirt? But he's bleeding light blue right now?

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Speaker 4: I mean they haven't. Carolina won one in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 4: and they went again in twenty sixteen. Duke, they ever won.

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Speaker 6: To look, this is not a Carolina podcast, but I

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Speaker 5: And this is probably the old guy in us. We're

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Speaker 6: You guys aren't as old as me. But Bucky's closer

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Speaker 4: I admit I'm there. Do you.

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Speaker 5: I used to love this thing.

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Speaker 6: I used to love college basketball.

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Speaker 5: I was into it.

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Speaker 6: Do I not have the interest in it because I'm

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Speaker 6: L They cycle in and out so fast. I'll always

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Speaker 6: use this. You hated later Iner, but you cared because

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Speaker 6: You don't know anybody now. They're not there long enough.

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Speaker 6: They're there for about a minute and a half and

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Speaker 6: then they're off. And that's too much of a generalization

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Speaker 6: a and they just can't attach to college basketball anymore.

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Speaker 4: I think college sports in general are kind of like that.

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Speaker 4: Football is just a kingpin that will never go away.

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Speaker 5: I think it's really hard recognized the helmets.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really hard when you can't, as you say,

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Speaker 4: grow to fall in love with the players that you see.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, they were terrible as a freshman, look at

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Speaker 4: we don't have that connection and college sports are I mean,

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Speaker 4: we're calling it college, but guys don't even really go

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Speaker 4: just a different time. But like the university and some

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Speaker 4: of these other schools, you had a crossroads where either

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Speaker 4: it looks like. Kind of like Dabbo and Clemson in football,

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Speaker 4: looking at Clemson struggle. But they're trying to do it

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Speaker 4: the way they did it when Trevor was there, as

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Speaker 3: And not many players these days are gonna go perfect

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Speaker 2: Those days are pretty much over.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect day.

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Speaker 4: I cannot believe that perfectly is over here talking about

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Speaker 2: You brought him up.

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Speaker 4: Like I would never bring I would never bring that guy.

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Speaker 3: Am good with That's enough Carolina talk for the day.

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Speaker 3: We've had enough of this already. Let's move along. Well

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Speaker 3: a little bit later, get into the Jaguars sending an

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Speaker 3: offer sheet to Jake Bobo wide receiver. The Seahawks, but

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Speaker 3: then the Seahawks matching it. We'll get into that. The

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Speaker 3: Jaguars business side this week officially cut the ribbon for

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Speaker 3: the new office space along the Saint John's River. The

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Speaker 7: In addition to the Jaguars business office headquarters, local private

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Speaker 7: investment firm timm Aquan Asset Management will occupy seven thousand

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Speaker 7: is open to YMCA members from all over. The first

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Speaker 7: Coded Network is now open and located on the first floor.

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Speaker 7: Eric Mann, thank you very much for your partnership to

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Speaker 7: help make this happen. Future plans also include a fifty

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Speaker 2: On the on the ground level.

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Speaker 7: Today, we are absolutely thrilled to be able to announce

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Speaker 7: that global law firm Fully and Lardner LLP will relocate

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Speaker 7: their Jacksonville office to occupy the entire fifth floor to

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Speaker 7: accommodate forty four attorneys and approximately sixty staff members.

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Speaker 4: Daniel white Lee is here. Thank you, thank you, thank

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Speaker 3: So that was announced today and then everybody who was

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Speaker 3: that was open, so adding to downtown Jacksonville. The mayor

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Speaker 3: was there Donna Degan today as well with some comments.

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Speaker 3: And this is the other side of the Jaguars business. Now,

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Speaker 2: And now the official opening today.

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Speaker 6: Johnny, speaking of Four Seasons, is your condo almost done?

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Speaker 6: Are they finishing that.

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Speaker 2: Up for me or buy?

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Speaker 5: Obviously BUCkies is done?

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Speaker 3: But if they want to throw that in, you would

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Speaker 4: What happened? What happened to you? Take that? Maybe maybe

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Speaker 4: with the next contract we can kind of bake that

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Speaker 6: Well, the three sixty five night at Room Ocean, he's

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Speaker 6: already baked in. It's he down for eleven days and.

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Speaker 3: Brooks sweep, we can, we can, we can bake some

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Speaker 4: As they say, everything is negotiable, Everything is negotiating.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: The worst thing they can say is no weld just

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Speaker 3: So that's the other side that happened today, which is

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Speaker 3: And some other companies in downtown. Actually that law firm

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Speaker 3: he was talking about moving from another part of downtown

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Speaker 3: that's a big step of the right direction. Certainly, time

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Speaker 3: down locking your seats for twenty twenty six. Place your

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Speaker 3: deposits now. Next season will be played at the Bank,

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Speaker 3: but seating capacity limited in bowl. Renovation spots are going fast.

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Speaker 3: There might be some people in the lower bowl affected

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Speaker 3: least this season, so there'd be some movement around. So

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Speaker 3: check it out. Go to a Jaguars dot com slash

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Speaker 3: tickets called nine O four to six three three two thousand,

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Speaker 3: talk with you representative and get the latest. All right,

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Speaker 3: we are in a free agency zone right now. The

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Speaker 4: So I would expect us to continue to look at

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Speaker 6: It's funny, JPI. I had run in right when freedency

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Speaker 5: And just when they go out.

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Speaker 6: So special once again, Special Teams coidner has to wait

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Speaker 3: So that works a lot of time in the NFL. Hey,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, to do a second round draft, I mean

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Speaker 6: Round is first round the Jaguars, don't right.

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Speaker 4: I had some We had somebody. We did a show

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Speaker 2: I got in Texas Tech, Jacob Rodriguez.

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Speaker 6: I have a question for the guy who won't mock

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Speaker 2: That's my question.

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Speaker 2: He goes to thirty thirty two.

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Speaker 6: So, Bucky, it does seem like it's a sweet spot

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Speaker 6: Who do you like, Who would you be happiest with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So when we talked about linebacker, Jacob ar Regaz

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Speaker 4: And the reason why he's appealing to me when I

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Speaker 4: If we're pieing the sky hoping that someone gets there,

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Speaker 4: Awareness he is kind of slippery as a pass. Rusher second,

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Speaker 6: That there are some real position groups that people love

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Speaker 4: to the toolbox for the. Decoordinator so you're looking for

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Speaker 4: that in the league is in the middle of A

442
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 4: i would say a bit of a, storm, sure where

443
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 4: we're seeing more teams kind of build their teams and

444
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 4: defenses like.

445
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 5: That it's, FUNNY, jp you AND i have.

446
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 6: Talked some fans ask us questions all the time and

447
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 6: ask me questions a lot in the, ozone and it

448
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 6: always takes four or five years sometimes for the verbage

449
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 6: that people who follow the game ask and is different

450
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 6: than the people who are actually coaching and playing.

451
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: It these.

452
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 6: Positions people always want to, know, well who's the starting, safeties, right.

453
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 2: Yea who's the you, know there's two of, them not so.

454
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 5: What are they? Playing are they playing a four to

455
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 5: three or a three? Four is?

456
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 6: It and we try to answer questions in that vein

457
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 6: because that's the verbiage that the fans and and us

458
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 6: have learned for thirty five, years and that's how we can.

459
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 6: Communicate but As bucky, said when you get in to

460
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 6: talk looking to the people who are putting guys in the,

461
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 6: field sometimes you ask the question about a four to

462
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 6: three and they give you sort of a blank, look

463
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 6: and it's, like, WELL i GUESS i can talk about

464
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 6: it four to, three but we nobody really plays that,

465
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 6: anymore you. Know so it's interesting how the league transitions

466
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 6: ahead of what of how we talk about.

467
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 3: It it's Not madden where you have to hit the

468
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 3: button and choose a four to three or three four or.

469
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: Whatever.

470
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, no it's.

471
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 4: So blended and that's what makes you really. Hard SO

472
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Speaker 4: i do the top five rankings by position for the

473
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 4: prospects and people are. Mad they're MAD jp because WHAT

474
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 4: i wrote had edge and outside. Linebackers what posted On

475
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 4: twitter And instagram was edge and defensive, end and people are, confused, like,

476
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 4: what what's the difference between an edge and a defensive?

477
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 4: End this and that and there is not like that

478
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 4: like some, guys edge is the general, category but everyone

479
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: wants a very clean definition for what a guy. Plays

480
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 4: and you can't give them that because some were looking

481
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 4: at an outside linebacker stand up player as a defensive.

482
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 4: End others will, say, oh that's an outside linebacker given their.

483
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 4: System some will look at the nickel guy like we

484
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 4: talked About jerry And jones as a. Nickel others will

485
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 4: look At Antonio johnson as a. Star it is just

486
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 4: however you want to categorize. IT i just know that

487
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 4: they're gonna be eleven guys on defense and they will

488
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 4: figure out how to play him. Somewhere and we have

489
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 4: to be more comfortable knowing that we're going to live

490
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 4: in the gray when it comes to labeling what a

491
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 4: player is and what he can.

492
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 6: Do, Yeah bucky AND i AS jp knows because he

493
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 6: reads them or do the position by position, breakdowns even

494
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 6: of The. Jaguars and it's sometimes hard because it's you,

495
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 6: know A bucky will be talking about defensive, Line, well

496
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 6: is defensive? Line does that include your? Edge does that

497
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 6: Include Josh? Allen and sometimes he stands up, sometimes you.

498
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 6: Know so it's an interesting when you're trying to break this,

499
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 6: down you do not break it down the same. Way

500
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 6: WHEN i was Writing bucky was playing in nineteen ninety,

501
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 6: eight you knew who the defensive ends.

502
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 5: Were it Was Tony.

503
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 6: Bright you, know it was very clear who played what

504
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 6: and maybe you'd have a guy kick, inside but it

505
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 6: wasn't like now where there's you, know over the, field

506
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 6: Is Antonio johnson in safety, usually but then there's times

507
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 6: where he Played.

508
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 4: Yeah it kind of Maybe i'm interesting to.

509
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 5: Try to break that, down And i'm with.

510
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 6: You fans get frustrated because they'll ask me questions AND

511
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 6: i always have to start off by saying yes sometimes

512
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 6: but in certain, looks this guy might be playing, this

513
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 6: and if he goes to another, team he might be playing,

514
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 6: this And i'll get emails back just answer the.

515
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 5: Question, well you can't always.

516
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 6: Just answer a positional question anymore with a very stock you,

517
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 6: know you want to go onto the web and you

518
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 6: want to be able to get everybody's depth, chart and it.

519
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 5: Just doesn't quite work that way.

520
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 4: Anymore it doesn't quite work that way because they also

521
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: changed the numbers when they started letting D lineman and

522
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 4: people wear single digits and all. That like that was

523
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 4: an acknowledgement that the world is completely different as it

524
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 4: relates to what, positions people, playing what labels we can

525
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 4: put on.

526
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 5: Them guess who didn't like? That Jay Z i got

527
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 5: a funny deal.

528
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 6: ME i. LOVE i KNOW i should always were and

529
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 6: should always.

530
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 5: Where you, know there's way too much of. It Zero

531
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 5: Now i'm. KIDDING i actually LIKE i actually like the.

532
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: Guys.

533
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 5: Zero that's pretty.

534
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 6: Cool And i'm even fine with THE dbs being in single.

535
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 6: Digits It it took me a, year but let the

536
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 6: record show That i'm okay with.

537
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: IT i don't even know you. Anymore, john change.

538
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 5: So much So roger does now have to call me.

539
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 4: Back.

540
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 3: Bucky we're looking forward to your full seven round mock written.

541
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: MOCK i know you're you're still.

542
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 4: Looking forward to it. Too you know When i'll do.

543
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 4: It i'll release it right after draft. Weekend but all out,

544
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 4: there all seven, picks all seven, rounds all the, picks

545
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: everything you, need right after draft.

546
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 6: Weekend, wow give me A carolina coach before he had

547
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 6: a helpful who's gonna be the?

548
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 4: Coach, well we just Got we just got turned down

549
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 4: From Brad. STEVENS i would ANTICIPATE Tdd golden turning us

550
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: down From. Florida now we're beginning to so does.

551
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 5: That mean That florida is a better job Than.

552
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: Carolina they're out of the tournament.

553
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 4: Too, YEAH i, MEAN i mean that they're throwing money all.

554
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 4: AROUND i mean. MONEY i ain't coaches like there's a

555
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: lot of. Money you must be donating big money down.

556
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 6: There what different world we're in he's doing? This florida

557
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 6: coach can turn down. You john's donating times with The

558
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 6: florida coach would have walked To Chapel.

559
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 4: Hill AND i would say that he still should walk

560
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 4: To Chapel. Hill why wouldn't you say that if you're

561
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: going back to those days With Norm sloan and, stuff

562
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 4: he should still be walking spend time at. State yeah we,

563
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 4: Can we'll do. It don't worry about. Us we'll be back.

564
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 6: When bucky starts pulling out Norms sloan AT nc state,

565
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 6: references WHICH i completely relate.

566
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 4: To AND i like. HIM i did not like. HIM

567
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 4: i was not a. Fan could you like?

568
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 6: Him Like David thompson going off the?

569
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 4: BACKBOARD i also did not like him as.

570
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 5: Well he's not like any of those.

571
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: Guys all, right all, right, gentlemen have a great. Week

572
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: bucky will do it again next, week.

573
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: And what next? Week is owner's? Meetings?

574
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 4: Right it.

575
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 3: Is, oh so maybe we'll have some news out of

576
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: that with rule changes and uh Maybe orlando Or, gamesville

577
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: wherever the.

578
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: Jack are we? Going are we going to the owners?

579
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 4: Meetings where the where we are always?

580
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: Going we're In Arizona Family.

581
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 5: Year so we're sitting this one.

582
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: Out we are sitting right here in the. Studio oh

583
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: that's not.

584
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 4: FUN i was hoping that they can get a little

585
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: little trip out of.

586
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: There you, Going you're, Going, Bucky, RIGHT i.

587
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 4: Would go if you guys are, Going but if you're not,

588
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: Going i'm not. Going like where fun is?

589
00:28:54,160 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: That that's a good. Point get back, There Bucky, Brooks

590
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: John ozer of J.

591
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: B shadrick or thanks To Joe, Fortunato Brett, reaber our entire,

592
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: crew and thanks for listening to huddle up With Bucky.

593
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: Brooks