WEBVTT - Wrong Ring Wrong Man with Simon Curtis... (S4 E12 "Just Say Yes")

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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<v Speaker 1>you a Charlotte? Ah? Hello, everybody, welcome back to Are

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<v Speaker 1>You a Charlotte? We are here with part two with

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<v Speaker 1>Simon Curtis. We are breaking down Just Say Yes, which

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<v Speaker 1>was directed by David Frankel, written by Cindy Schueback, and

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<v Speaker 1>Simon knows everything. You guys, Let's talk about Carrie. Oh yes, wow, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this whole episode. Let me just tell you this memory

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<v Speaker 1>that I have, and I had forgotten that it was

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. This is the episode where Carrie finds an

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<v Speaker 1>engagement ring in Aiden's jim bag in her apartment. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other things happened to but the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I remember about this is that Gwyneth Paltrow did

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<v Speaker 1>a magazine, either Vogue or Harper's Bazaar, and she in

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<v Speaker 1>her interview talks about how she really related to Carrie

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode with the ring being wrong. Wow, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were like, oh my god, Gwyneth Paltrow, We were

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<v Speaker 1>so excited and that she understood that she related and

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<v Speaker 1>understood what that would be like, like you're with the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong person and they've picked out the wrong ring for you.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't get you. You know, it was really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot that this was this episode. And not only that,

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<v Speaker 1>but we begin the episode with this whole thing where

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<v Speaker 1>her building is going, co Op. I had forgotten all

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<v Speaker 1>of these details, and so she walks in and she's

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<v Speaker 1>all shocked, and then she says to Aiden, like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what am I going to do? I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to move and he's like why, you know, why

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<v Speaker 1>can't we buy it? He's so offhanded, And I love

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<v Speaker 1>how they staged that whole scene because it's not they're

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<v Speaker 1>not even like looking at each other and that.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's in terms of the big sex and the

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<v Speaker 2>city conversations. The Aiden conversation is one that I'm also

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<v Speaker 2>very passionate about because I've been in Aiden as a

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<v Speaker 2>villain camp since I was a kid. Even that first

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<v Speaker 2>moment she walks in, you can hear panic in her voice.

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<v Speaker 2>My building is going, co Op, did you get the tomatoes?

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't even acknowledge what she says. That's a good point,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just like, and it's yet another instance of

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<v Speaker 2>everything about Carrie is trivial. Everything is just this thing

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<v Speaker 2>that he needs to steer and control because even his

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<v Speaker 2>response is well I'll buy it. I'll tear down the

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<v Speaker 2>wall and then you can live with me, like and

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<v Speaker 2>then like.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some joke about rent, like what would be the rent?

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<v Speaker 1>And he leans over to kiss her.

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<v Speaker 2>And her face there's all these and like and God

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<v Speaker 2>bless him for that performance. But there's just these this

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<v Speaker 2>subtle breadcumb crumb trail the entire series, even leading into

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<v Speaker 2>in the second movie. He's the one who who moves first.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the one that has her kiss him in the

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<v Speaker 2>second It happens in the second movie, like every time

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<v Speaker 2>Aidan pops up, he's always a villain. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>so glad. I was pissed for much of him, just

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I was like, we are not retconning this.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot have the entire world being like, oh Aiden, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>finally when we got his last episode, I was like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there he is there. Just like that, when he was

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<v Speaker 2>like get off of me, I was like, there, we

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<v Speaker 2>got you.

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<v Speaker 1>I interest in it, but I was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there you are there. And that scene, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>is such a microcosm of that. She walks in with

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of devastating life changing news for herself and

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<v Speaker 2>his responses did you get the tomatoes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. That is true. It's interesting, It's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the thing that's interesting also when I'm watching,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm rewatching, and obviously I have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of feelings about Big as well, right, yeah, But I

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<v Speaker 1>think the thing that really, the thing when Corbett is

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<v Speaker 1>on screen that I mostly think about is how incredible

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<v Speaker 1>their chemistry is, and also how I would hate to

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<v Speaker 1>say that character is him, because I don't think it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's pretty different than Aiden, but I also

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<v Speaker 1>feel like he really takes what's on the page and

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<v Speaker 1>twists it in a really interesting way. Oh yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that that he's just so good at

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<v Speaker 1>playing Aiden, but in general, he's just a really good actor.

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<v Speaker 1>But like their chemistry kind of would carry anything really yeah. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But then separately, he has so much going on in

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<v Speaker 1>his head at all times, as does she, So like

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<v Speaker 1>watching the two of them is super fascinating, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are times I feel that way about Chris and her also,

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<v Speaker 1>But then in this particular episode, I did not feel that,

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<v Speaker 1>which we'll get to.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that incredible chemistry is what disguises the

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<v Speaker 2>general population from actually acknowledging how villainous. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>character is with Carries.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that that's true. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a charm that he brings. Yeah, that also confuses

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<v Speaker 1>the picture. But isn't that how relationships are too?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Absolutely, that als why the show is so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely definitely. And I do also feel

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<v Speaker 1>like sometimes I watch it and I'm like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to take care of Carrie. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's just got all these feelings. But she's also like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm independent, I'm fine, I'm gonna move. I hate to move,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna move. I just want to help her

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<v Speaker 1>and take care of her, and she doesn't really let anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting. It's interesting. Yeah, I have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different thoughts and feelings when I watch it. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>she walks in, she says this, he's got a whole

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<v Speaker 1>plan in about two seconds, that he's gonna buy the

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<v Speaker 1>apartment next door, charge her some kind of questionable rent,

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<v Speaker 1>and knock the wall down, and then he leaves. And

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<v Speaker 1>but then she she has a voice over saying that

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<v Speaker 1>apparently he's doing his plan because he's got clothes just

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<v Speaker 1>covering the whole apartment. So she's trying to put his

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<v Speaker 1>clothes back into the bag, which is when she finds

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<v Speaker 1>the jewelry box. She opens it, she sees this really

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<v Speaker 1>sad looking gold engagement ring with a pear shaped diamond,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she throws up, which I also completely forgot about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, wow, one of her two physical reactions to marrying him.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is definitely and that.

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<v Speaker 2>He rejected him the entire time. Yeah, ives in the

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<v Speaker 2>joke wedding dress and vomit at the ring.

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<v Speaker 1>My god, I mean, And also like, it's so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't just say, well, Samantha does.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's why I love Samantha, because she was

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<v Speaker 2>right at the table full of girls who are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be supportive. She's the one that's like, no, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally understand why Charlotte wouldn't be doing that. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also felt like, come on, she threw up, for

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<v Speaker 1>God's sake. It's a lot. It's a lot, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Yeah, but I did really like Samantha's

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<v Speaker 1>point of view to wait. So then so then this

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<v Speaker 1>is where it gets a little bit weird. So she

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<v Speaker 1>goes she goes to the coffee shop. We discussed it all.

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<v Speaker 1>She finds out that Miranda actually he had a part.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a hideous ring.

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's a moment. There's a moment. So a first off,

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<v Speaker 2>your makeup in this entire season, it's unbody ever looked

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<v Speaker 2>on camera ever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's they Nicky Liederman. Yeah, at this point in time,

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<v Speaker 1>I was telling a makeup artist about this a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks ago on a job. I believe this is

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<v Speaker 1>when who made this. Someone made this product called magic

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<v Speaker 1>and there's this like this is that's funny. It could

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<v Speaker 1>have been like smash Box or somebody, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>this jar of stuff and it was kind of iridescent,

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<v Speaker 1>and they said like we made this like how they

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<v Speaker 1>make car paint, and we thought that was great.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like this is using technology, using car painting.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like whoa. And we would take it our young

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<v Speaker 1>selves and we would just mirroor it all over our

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<v Speaker 1>whole faces. It was like a primer, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>call it that. And then you put your makeup over it.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point I think I'm wearing like like

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<v Speaker 1>Laura Mercedy tinted moisturizer because it's as anything, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>I had that magic all over underneath. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it worked, but I don't think they make

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<v Speaker 1>it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>You look like a porcelain doll in this entire season,

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<v Speaker 2>and that particular scene is one of the scenes where

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<v Speaker 2>it's just you sit down and Charlotte looks so like

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<v Speaker 2>this beautiful doll like this, like it's hot, in the

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<v Speaker 2>blue polo dress with a slick back and listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I never I didn't appreciate it of the time, I

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't. I always good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I know it's sad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really sad.

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<v Speaker 2>An entire episode they have Charlotte looking like a goddess.

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<v Speaker 1>You I know, I don't know how I'm so together.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's pretty good. I liked my hair in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the Scottish scene. It's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's perfect, really good, like Audrey Hepburn like it's stunning.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really good. I know, it's really good. We were

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<v Speaker 1>we were doing great at the time. We were really

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<v Speaker 1>we were. We were functioning well, which is funny since

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like vague on my memory of it all, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, And I was just probably trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get some sleep, you know. Anyway, let's go back,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, You're very sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole reason that I even interrupted that is because

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<v Speaker 2>there's this tiny, tiny moment where Miranda says I picked

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<v Speaker 2>the ring. They cut back to you for a millisecond

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<v Speaker 2>and you're laughing, and I wanted to ask if that

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<v Speaker 2>was a break or if that was sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It was real. I'm pretty sure it was real.

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<v Speaker 2>So good, pretty sure it was real.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Cynthia is super funny, you know, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>funny too, because like we would crack up a fair

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<v Speaker 1>amount at the coffee shop scenes. But also there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of pressure about the coffee shop scenes because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's so kind of precise and everyone has

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<v Speaker 1>to be like just on their queue and you can't

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<v Speaker 1>mess a word up or anything. We would be there

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<v Speaker 1>so many hours, right, and Michael would always be like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you have to and their props have to

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<v Speaker 1>be so on. Everything has to be so on. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do think, excuse me, when they would we would.

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<v Speaker 1>I could tell by this point in time that they've

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<v Speaker 1>figured out good ways, Like we used to just be

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<v Speaker 1>like straight on like films, straight right, and now we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing the angles, like the cut across. So and that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reason we'd be there so long. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to have reactions to each person, so

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<v Speaker 1>to each angle, you know what I mean. But that

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<v Speaker 1>did look like a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that did look like oh but no, but it

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<v Speaker 2>felt it felt so real. Which also and also this

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<v Speaker 2>moment where Charlotte is just laughing at the coffee table,

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<v Speaker 2>that was rare.

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<v Speaker 1>It's rare, but really good, really good. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>Frankel's really Frankel directed Product Devil Worst Product one and two. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a good director. And I think he also really

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<v Speaker 1>knew us, you know, so like there's that that you

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<v Speaker 1>can see in a good way. Yeah, And I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>like we seem very kind of settled and comfortable, which

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<v Speaker 1>I liked. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, back to Carry, So Carrie Carry goes with us.

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<v Speaker 1>She finds out that Miranda has something to do with it,

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<v Speaker 1>but Miranda doesn't know what he's going to ask, and

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<v Speaker 1>so now she's all like, what am I going to say?

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<v Speaker 1>What am I going to say? And then she goes

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a little strange to me. She takes

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<v Speaker 1>Aiden out to her. She was a very pretty dress,

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<v Speaker 1>and she says, I'm gonna I'm gonna accept his proposal

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<v Speaker 1>to move in, because does she somehow think that then

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<v Speaker 1>he won't propose? What is she doing?

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<v Speaker 2>She even says I'll cut him off at the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it, and it's she is. I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what Carrie or Sarah Jessica's signs are. But Carrie

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<v Speaker 2>always feels like such a sagittarius to me, and or

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<v Speaker 2>a libra like one of those two. And it's but

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<v Speaker 2>that is such, that is such sagittarius behavior, like yes,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's being like, well let me, I'll do this,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't do that, or you do that, and got

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<v Speaker 2>to work Sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Jica's in aries, but as is Cynthia.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, they're strong, but they love powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank god. It works out, thank god, thank god. But

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I'm like, oh Lord and man, I just got

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<v Speaker 1>to get behind one of them and go up the

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<v Speaker 1>mountains whatever mouthin they want to climb. I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to keep up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's beautiful, I know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, here we are back to carry Carrie carry

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to stay on task, but we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it because it's a weird scene. It's a weird scene.

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<v Speaker 1>So Carrie's out there trying to hel a cab in

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<v Speaker 1>a super fantastic color block dress.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Also the episode before when she's writing she's eating a

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<v Speaker 2>rocket pop which is that color palette?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, you're fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's so weird you even notice that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>incredible it's the exact same, yes color palette of the

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<v Speaker 2>pop seic.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, I want to get your opinion on.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Jessica was on this week I Guess in the

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<v Speaker 1>World and she I had this crazy outfit jogging her

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<v Speaker 1>memory takes visuals. I've now started printing out pictures from

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<v Speaker 1>when she comes on to show her to see if

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<v Speaker 1>she'll remember things based on the outfit, which she does.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said, just out of the blue that from

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<v Speaker 1>this crazy outfit where she's got the purple tights pulled

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<v Speaker 1>up over her shorts, do you remember this and the

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<v Speaker 1>purple Victoria's secret bra Huh? She said, if she were

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<v Speaker 1>to be collecting three outfits that would be quintessentially Carrie

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<v Speaker 1>and show who Carrie was as a character, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the outfits, the purple type with the

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<v Speaker 1>toes showing in the outfits.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand me too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cool, but I wonder what the other outfits would be.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I'm just dying to ask her.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I feel like one of one of mine that

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<v Speaker 2>I would put in was when she goes to dinner

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<v Speaker 2>with Big and he's dating the movie star and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a movie star.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yes, it was the same episode when we talked

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<v Speaker 1>to her about it and we showed it to her,

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<v Speaker 1>and she did not say that one. So she did

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<v Speaker 1>love that one. Yeah, she'd love that one. And that

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<v Speaker 1>skirt came from Century twenty one that I got Molly

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about, which was great Westwood, but it ended

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<v Speaker 1>up at Century twenty one, which is insane but okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I had asked her, would it also be

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<v Speaker 1>the white dress at the Columbus Fountain when she and

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<v Speaker 1>ate and break up? She said no, because that's not

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<v Speaker 1>quintessentially carry that's kind of like put on Carrie, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try to be looking a certain way

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<v Speaker 1>for him.

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<v Speaker 2>What about when Carrie leaves justin Thureau when he's the

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<v Speaker 2>premature ejaculator and she leaves it after breaking up with

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<v Speaker 2>his mother and she sees the girls and knocks with

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<v Speaker 2>the aviator a.

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<v Speaker 1>Good one, but I don't think that that. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think she would pick that one because it's not kooky enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, would I pick it as one of my

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<v Speaker 1>all time favorites, definitely, But I don't think it would

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<v Speaker 1>be quintessentially Carrie because it isn't creative enough. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting from what she was saying. But I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to get to the bottom of this. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>get her back on the podcast just to ask her

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<v Speaker 1>this question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because also with the Aviators, women weren't wearing the Creators.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so true.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she was giving body and hair, but also

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<v Speaker 2>the choice. With the Aviators, she was rocking George Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Rayband Aviators and that was not no, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a Sarah Jessica thing exactly. She wore that.

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<v Speaker 1>She wore those big time all all the time. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back to the plot. So she's out there

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get a cab in this fantastic dress and

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<v Speaker 1>who should pull over because they're in midtown but mister

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<v Speaker 1>Big and they have this wacky scene in the cab

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<v Speaker 1>where he's trying to ask her about aid and she

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<v Speaker 1>has a little secret smile and he says, what's that smile?

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like nothing, and he's like what and she says,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't really want me to tell you. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>you said do and so she says something to the

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<v Speaker 1>effect of he's going to ask her to marry him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, how do you know? And she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just know. She doesn't tell him how she actually knows,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is interesting. And then he goes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not going to work out, and she's like why

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<v Speaker 1>not and he goes cause you're not the marry and

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<v Speaker 1>he smiles like that's a compliment or whatever. It's weird,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she she's like, what do you mean, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you think about that?

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<v Speaker 2>I well, first, I love that she's wearing it almost

0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.880
<v Speaker 2>looks like a Judith Lieber, like I do that huge thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a big apple. And then big pulls up

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<v Speaker 2>in his town car. But there's there's just an energy

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<v Speaker 2>with that that I love that. It's really cute, and

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I mean that's just you know, they're

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<v Speaker 2>just the two ever circling planets orbiting each other, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's at that point. I feel it's always

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<v Speaker 2>felt to me like big in that moment, as having

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<v Speaker 2>the realization of like you can't slip away, like you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're, you're not supposed to You're not supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>move on, like we're going to be doing this forever.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think he thinks that, But I didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>that that he thinks that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I mean that he's still He's still in

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<v Speaker 2>his slime ball era, right, But that's like it's you know.

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<v Speaker 1>He is, right, Yeah, I thought so too. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>he looks like he was up all night drinking like

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<v Speaker 1>you probably was smoking his cigars and whatnot. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>who wants.

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<v Speaker 2>That's he's you know, I always take that character and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I love them together inevitably because his arc,

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<v Speaker 2>even though we don't experience it, we only experience it

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<v Speaker 2>through the lens of Carrie. We still get the arc

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<v Speaker 2>from the series beginning to end and how much he

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<v Speaker 2>as a person cracks open and changes everything because of

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<v Speaker 2>Carrie being in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>And how Carrie is from the jump this enigma to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and where I feel like he and Aiden differ is

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<v Speaker 2>that Carrie is also an enigma to Aiden. But he wants,

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to like break her and control, whereas Big,

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<v Speaker 2>it just seems like he is afraid of the feeling

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<v Speaker 2>that this enigma evokes in him. And it's because that

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<v Speaker 2>feeling is love, and it's something that is that's anathema

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<v Speaker 2>to him. And so I, even though he is this

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<v Speaker 2>slime ball, having experienced his arc so many times, I

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<v Speaker 2>have so much love for it, just because I know

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<v Speaker 2>where it leads him, and I know it is eventually

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<v Speaker 2>he has to crack open his heart and it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point. That's a really good point. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go with that. I'm going to stick with that

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<v Speaker 1>because that's a good point because since I have been rewatching,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been you know, like ew, you know, like fair amount.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In a way that surprised me because I was always

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<v Speaker 1>pro Big, Charlotte was pro Big. So I didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>harder about it than that. And I also think, as

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<v Speaker 1>I've said before, dear listeners, apologize from me. Apologies.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think in the nineties we were all just

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<v Speaker 1>so used to that type of man, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>really elusive you know, shut down, Yeah, where you're always

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<v Speaker 1>having to try, try, try, I didn't think twice about it.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, I thought, yeah, of course she wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be with him. I didn't think about it. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I look back, I'm like, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think in that moment, he's really I think

0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.959
<v Speaker 2>they're both trying so hard to pretend like they're friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they are. These pals definitely can jab each other

0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.560
<v Speaker 2>and like make quips about each other's life. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I also think there's an element of him in that

0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.440
<v Speaker 2>scene where he's he's trying to be sarcastic and play

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<v Speaker 2>around like, oh, this is you know, you're not the

0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.719
<v Speaker 2>marrying kind. Like it's like a sly dig with his buddy,

0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.520
<v Speaker 2>but Carrie's not your buddy, like it's it's so I

0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.000
<v Speaker 2>think that's also an element of like he's playing games

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<v Speaker 2>with himself, trying to like make himself believe that this

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<v Speaker 2>is his pal and not the love of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right. It's interesting. It's very interesting. I mean, I

0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.959
<v Speaker 1>guess it's good that they it's interesting to see the progression,

0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, over time of their characters. Definitely, Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>also like when they went out to dinner in the

0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:46.840
<v Speaker 1>country episode, when she goes back and goes out to

0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:48.640
<v Speaker 1>dinner with them and he talks about the actress. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just like, what is happening? Yeah, it's weird, but it

0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.520
<v Speaker 1>do feel like it, Yes, I do feel like it

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<v Speaker 1>is like when you're trying to be friends with an

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<v Speaker 1>ex and you are literally sitting there like why am

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<v Speaker 1>I doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Like, well what am I doing?

0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.840
<v Speaker 2>And with them that there's this energy vortex. It just

0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.120
<v Speaker 2>keeps pulling them back together. And you know, I feel

0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:10.879
<v Speaker 2>like so much of his acting out, especially by the

0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:12.920
<v Speaker 2>time we get to season four, it's just because he's

0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:17.000
<v Speaker 2>every time he's with her, he doesn't It's it's he's

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<v Speaker 2>getting more and more scared of this mysterious emotion that

0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.600
<v Speaker 2>she elicits from him, which is love interesting. Okay, I

0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:25.879
<v Speaker 2>don't want to feel that he doesn't want to know

0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:26.320
<v Speaker 2>what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Go on this. We're going to go on this. Okay, wait,

0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.879
<v Speaker 1>then we get Okay. So at this point, I'm feeling

0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of frustrated because I'm like with Aiden and definitely

0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.240
<v Speaker 1>with Big right, which is kind of sad and not

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:38.840
<v Speaker 1>how I felt at the time that we were ranking

0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:40.600
<v Speaker 1>the show, when I just thought they were both great.

0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:47.879
<v Speaker 1>So then so then she goes she goes, she she, she,

0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.000
<v Speaker 1>We're back with Carrie and they're out in a beautiful

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.919
<v Speaker 1>summer night. I love these scenes when we're filming in

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<v Speaker 1>the no way. I did read something that supposedly they're

0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.840
<v Speaker 1>in the they're in. Yeah, I think that the note

0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:02.360
<v Speaker 1>that we have Hannah, I don't think that that. I'm

0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:04.240
<v Speaker 1>just going to ignore this one. I'm going to fully

0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:05.760
<v Speaker 1>ignore it. Sorry, it was a trivia thing. I'm going

0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:07.280
<v Speaker 1>to ignore it. But to get in my mind for

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<v Speaker 1>a second, it looks like the village. To me, it

0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:12.680
<v Speaker 1>looks like Perry Street, which is what it should be, right,

0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.680
<v Speaker 1>because that's where Carrie's apartment is. I'm not supposed to

0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:17.119
<v Speaker 1>say that, I don't think, but who cares whatever.

0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Everyone knows, yeah, like tourists.

0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:23.959
<v Speaker 1>And that's why I'm not supposed to say because the

0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:25.480
<v Speaker 1>people that people don't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>But whatever, get over it. You bought the sexon that,

0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you bought Carrie's house, deal with that glove eggies time.

0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Really I think that's the situation.

0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, you know what, what a gift in your

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 2>life that you get to live in a national monument.

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I would be making people's cookies and.

0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:44.520
<v Speaker 1>That would be sweet. That would be sweet unless they

0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:46.040
<v Speaker 1>did so. And I think at one point maybe it

0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.040
<v Speaker 1>was for sale, but now I don't know what happened

0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:49.400
<v Speaker 1>with it. But anyway, it is there.

0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:50.200
<v Speaker 2>It's there.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone knows where it is. It's Perry Street. And to me,

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.280
<v Speaker 1>that shot when they're they're going to take Pete for

0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.280
<v Speaker 1>a walk, and it's so beautiful and the trees are

0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:57.840
<v Speaker 1>lit so.

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<v Speaker 4>Beautifully, it's gorgeous, so gorgeous, and so I mean, I

0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:06.000
<v Speaker 4>know that they say that we kind of made New

0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 4>York City like into a fantasy, but also I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like that's how it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And like a spring summer night, it's like, ooh, magical.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like do settling. Like it wasn't the summer.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't hot and steamy, but there was this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I think it is hot and steamy.

0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh they well, they made a good job of not

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<v Speaker 2>didn't look.

0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Like she's wearing those tiny shorts. Yes, yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's hot. I think it's hot. I think this

0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 1>the summer of two thousand and one. Yeah, the summer

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:33.919
<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and one. It wasn't like one hundred

0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:37.240
<v Speaker 1>and five hot, but it was glorious hot like hot

0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and bright colors and fantastic and you know, like still

0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:41.800
<v Speaker 1>summer and all.

0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:43.919
<v Speaker 2>I can see this beautiful humidity in the air with

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.640
<v Speaker 2>the lights and it doesn't look like it doesn't look

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.960
<v Speaker 2>like thog, It like real steam in the air and

0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:53.200
<v Speaker 2>it's so pretty. It is really love that of them walking.

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Down so gorgeous, and Aiden is very good in this scene.

0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.840
<v Speaker 1>He pretends that he's trying to get a poop bag

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<v Speaker 1>for the.

0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Dog, which is exactly how Carrie Bradshaw wants to be

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:10.399
<v Speaker 2>proposed to, with a fake out dog poop bag.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pretty good though, because she's really expecting it now.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you remember when they go to the dinner

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.639
<v Speaker 1>where she's like, I say yes to moving in and

0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:20.280
<v Speaker 1>then she says I have to go to the bathroom

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 1>and they cut to him and he looks sideways. You

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.119
<v Speaker 1>can just tell he's like, what is she doing? Like

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 1>I think he's got it all figured out? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean?

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:30.160
<v Speaker 5>This?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is another reason which is another part of him

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.080
<v Speaker 2>controlling her. He tricks her. Instead of giving her a

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 2>real proposal that Carrie would actually love, he does the

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:42.119
<v Speaker 2>poop bag trick, which, along with the ring that is

0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:43.679
<v Speaker 2>not the proposal for Carrie.

0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:44.360
<v Speaker 1>That's wrong.

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Proposal wrong guy.

0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 1>No, you're right, You're right, because he's like he's doing

0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.080
<v Speaker 1>the like if it were me. Yeah, and I was

0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.840
<v Speaker 1>walking my dog and someone proposed to me. Not that

0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I really care about this in life, I don't, but

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 1>like that would be the time or the place, you

0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, walking my dog in the summer night. Yeah, yeah,

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 1>but not Carrie.

0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Not carry sweatshorts.

0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:06.960
<v Speaker 2>It's so cute, is so good.

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 1>It's so cute. But anyway, he gets down, he surprises

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 1>her and of course, thank god is the good ring.

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Thank God in heaven. And then we find out later

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that's Samantha had something to do with that, which I

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:18.880
<v Speaker 1>did not remember this either.

0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 2>You didn't remember that.

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:24.679
<v Speaker 5>Oh gosh, oh I love that scene that's at the

0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 5>end of it, Like, oh my gosh, it's her delivery

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:31.280
<v Speaker 5>and that's so so so good.

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really good. It's really good. So and then

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.119
<v Speaker 1>it's a beautiful ring, which I also didn't remember. And

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:36.679
<v Speaker 1>this is the ring that she's now going to wear

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 1>around the necklace, correct, which is so crazy. I mean,

0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:43.840
<v Speaker 1>like it's all very interesting, very interesting. I do feel

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:45.800
<v Speaker 1>like we need some some input from the writers on

0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:48.119
<v Speaker 1>how I forgot to ask Michael about the ring around

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.359
<v Speaker 1>the neck. Yeah, we got to find out how that

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 1>came about.

0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Because she's allergic to him. She's allergic to a life

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:56.399
<v Speaker 2>with him. I mean, she vomited, she breaks out in

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:58.480
<v Speaker 2>a rash. She can't put the ring on her finger,

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 2>like she's allergic to it, because puts it on when

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.920
<v Speaker 2>she gets it though, I can't wear the ship and

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 2>it's because her subconscious nose the whole time.

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Do you think you're right? Yeah? I do. You think

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 1>you're right?

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.440
<v Speaker 2>And that's what makes it so satisfying to watch her

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 2>come to terms with.

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.639
<v Speaker 1>That definitely, most definitely.

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 2>And face that definitely.

0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 1>And I don't really remember at the time. Did people

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 1>feel in the world like she shouldn't be with him?

0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:29.359
<v Speaker 2>People know, everybody was pro aid and everybody. Yeah, And

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 2>I think that also fed the narrative of you know,

0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 2>people have this. You know, certain people who I don't

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 2>align with and don't like them, will always fight have

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 2>these opinions about Carrie. Yeah, and you know, like these

0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>people who call Carrie a narcissist or all of these things,

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:51.399
<v Speaker 2>which I think is just such bullshit because to me,

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Carrie Bradshaw is she's an artist. She is deeply courageous

0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 2>in her capacity for love and her willingness to search

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 2>for love and to be loved. Yeah, And I to me,

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 2>she's always just such a beacon of that, Like she's

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 2>just she's living very honestly. She's she's really really trying

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:22.359
<v Speaker 2>in an earnest way to find happiness, find love. And

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:24.399
<v Speaker 2>I've just always found her to be very courageous.

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right.

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 2>And also with this aident scenario and even with Big

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 2>when she had the affair, you know, I would never

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 2>villainize her because she's just trying to follow her heart

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 2>and to figure out her her heart and what her

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:39.879
<v Speaker 2>soul needs and wants.

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I agree, I agree. I do think though, back to

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 1>how we were talking earlier about the show kind of

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, changing things and shaking things up or whatever,

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't really done that your your heroine, your your

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 1>lead is gonna cheat, you know, like blatantly. You know

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. It's true and it kind of a

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say, unapologetic way, because she is apologetic.

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Obviously she's tortured about it, but also she does it

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>right like we weren't afraid to do that stuff. And

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's part of what you're saying is

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 1>that Carrie Cary was very honest about it.

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, which is amazing, Which is such a testament

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 2>to the show because even now, when we try to

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:23.960
<v Speaker 2>have female characters that are depicted in an honest way,

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>the internet will come for the actor's next. Meanwhile, we

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 2>have Walter White selling meth and killing people for eight

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.879
<v Speaker 2>seasons of television, and he is might as well be

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ himself, like Saint Candles, true, true, and well,

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 2>Carrie Bradshaw is just trying to figure her life out

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:50.159
<v Speaker 2>and there are people who call for her head and

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know what, this woman's just trying to

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 2>figure it out, and she's just writing and loving and

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:59.919
<v Speaker 2>doing it with such like fierce earnesty and honest.

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 1>I agree, really, no, I agree. I agree. She is

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>very she's very much pursuing like her own version of

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 1>the truth, you know, and that's what she writes about.

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>That's what she's doing. It's what we talk about, you know,

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 1>all of us all the time. I agree with you.

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about Miranda because we've got this very interesting

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 1>development with the baby where she decides to finally tell

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Steve at the like hot Dogs Stand or whatever, what

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 1>is it?

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:26.240
<v Speaker 4>Is?

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>It?

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 2>It's ice crazy. I'm sorry, that's what That's such there

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 2>so there are when you go back and watch the series,

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:36.399
<v Speaker 2>there are so many subtle moments that are so funny

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 2>they make me belly laugh. First of which is Charlotte

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 2>and I'm dating a man with the funkiest tasting spunk,

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 2>and you just get up and walk out and there's

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>not an acknowledgement, there's nothing that's just personal gone. I

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 2>laugh until I cry at just the physical comedy of that.

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 2>It's so funny, and this is one of them. Carrie's

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 2>voice is Meanwhile, Miranda is looking for the perfect moment

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 2>immediate cut Steve, I'm pregnant. It's just so dead parent.

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 2>It's funny, so fucking funny.

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>It's funny. It's funny. It's true, the cutting, the editing,

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, and the delivery and the writing. It's all

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>very funny. And I agree, very funny, and I didn't

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>remember it. This is the like where I'm just watching

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>everything for the first time. You know, it's really funny,

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>just a genius. I also I couldn't really remember how

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't still really I'm not I don't have clarity

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>almost going to have with Steve and Miranda. I know

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 1>where they get to, but I don't know how they

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>get there, don't know how they get there.

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting.

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 2>This is this is such a fascinating experience for me

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 2>also because I mean, I listened to the podcast, so

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 2>I know, you know, I've heard you talk, you know,

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 2>at length about your experience with it and how this

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 2>podcast is an exploration back into something that you haven't

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 2>touched in so long because it was such a significant

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 2>portion of your life. Yeah. And then someone like me

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>I from pre pubescence was watching this and then immediately

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>rewatching and rewatching, and me and my best friend in Oklahoma,

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Mandy Like, she got like the Swayed the Pink Swayed

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 2>DVD sid book for herself when she was going to

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>owe you her first year. So we just would devour

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 2>the DVDs over and over again.

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Did you have the one where Michael Patrick did the

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>voice over of it?

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>It was the full series collection with the Pink Sway

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 2>And I don't I don't know if we ever watched

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 2>the special features together I think.

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>You would have to go to the special features in there.

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>He had when the show was ending, he had gone

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>in and recorded like thoughts or whatever. I don't know

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that I've ever heard it, but occasionally someone will like

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>write to me and say like, oh, Michael Patrick said

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.719
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah blah blah. And it was kind

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>of the early version of podcast.

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, DVD feature attes right. And so for me,

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 2>like I've seen I've literally seen all these episodes like

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 2>sixty eight times to amazing here that that's such a

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 2>fascinating I know it is interesting.

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting for me too, because like, first of all,

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>there's my memory. Then there's my memory of the show,

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 1>like my memory of shooting the show them my memory

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 1>of the show. And then sometimes my memory of the

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>show doesn't actually match the show, you know, Like I

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 1>was telling you, like we were to take all these

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>scenes with Charlotte, I would have spread them out. I

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know what season I would have put them in,

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 1>but I had no idea. They were like bam, bam, bam.

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot.

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that was one of the things that I

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 2>was talking about that I in my dream for the

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 2>next iteration of seeing these characters. I just missed the

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I want the jam packed, I want the I want that.

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>It's each episode is such a little mini roller coaster

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 2>and it takes you on that, and so this episode

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 2>is such an encapsulation of that.

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>It's true, It's true. The only sad thing about Charlotte's

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>roller coaster of this episode is it doesn't come up.

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 1>It just ends really down. And I don't know what

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 1>happens next.

0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Do you really not know? I mean, oh my god.

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 1>I can try to think of some things that I

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 1>could guess. I think there's that scene where we're going

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 1>to break up but he comes back for the town

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>of Country shoot or whatever it is.

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's this, Okay, I don't know. I

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but that is that is coming right that

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>the next because the next episode is long Pink, It's delicious,

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>And that's the that's Samantha's where she's talking about Richard

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 2>when Samantha find Richard. We quote that all the time.

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, long.

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:40.479
<v Speaker 2>It's oh, that's like one of the iconic lies, Richard

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 2>with the perfect dick. Yeah.

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 1>But then by the end, too much information.

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.479
<v Speaker 2>But then by the end that's when they have that

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 2>beautiful needle drop that carries the entire end of the

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 2>episode with the Shade song by your Side, and it's

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>and then that's oh God. In the next episode is

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 2>with Your Rogain and your speed Stick when they move

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>in together, when Carrie and Aiden he's moved in and

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 2>he choose one of from Manolo Blannocks.

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Don't have a single memory all this stuff.

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, you're ship, my ship, and like they yeah,

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 2>oh it's such a good Oh, it's it's jam packed. Wow.

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 2>But Charlotte's is what was her?

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea.

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>It's right after Oh, it's the cardboard Baby. It's the

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 2>cardboard baby. Don't you bring up in here. You are

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the man who got me a cardboard baby.

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>It's really bad. Did you hear Trey when he came on, Sorry, Kyle,

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>it's really sad. Kyle came on those twice, right, No,

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 1>just once, and he was like, yeah, I wasn't sure.

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure how I felt about the Cardboard Baby,

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, yeah, they they just you're just

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 1>trying things, Kyle. Sorry, Trey doesn't know. Obviously, I can't

0:33:58.560 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>separate them.

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 2>No, clearly, Oh, that's so cute.

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>It's really sad. It's so sad. Yeah, it is really

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>funny too when like, on the one hand, I feel

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:23.759
<v Speaker 1>like I have really good separation and everything, but then

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 1>when you actually try to have a conversation about it

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>all comes out. Yeah, it's all tangled up.

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Wow, you know what I mean. That's beautiful though, that

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:32.360
<v Speaker 2>those experiences are.

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Like that for sure. For sure. I mean you know,

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 1>because you you know you you're trying to do the

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>work on a deep level, right, so I guess you are.

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's the end of this episode with Charlotte.

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 2>The conversation after the Scottish Fling is it's I mean,

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 2>even rewatching it this morning to come here and talk

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:56.280
<v Speaker 2>about it with you, just watching both of you as actors.

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 2>You're so in it. And you know when you get

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 2>to watch eight actors do a ping pong match, that

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 2>is just like it lights you up to watch that

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 2>scene is astonishing. You're so so genuinely in it. And

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 2>when he's selling Charlotte, he says, I just want to

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>be for a while, and Charlotte has this look and says,

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 2>you don't even want to try. I know, set And

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:26.240
<v Speaker 2>it's but it's too It's like League of Legends actors.

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Just Oh, I'm so glad because I think for me,

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 1>what's hard about it is number one because at that

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 1>point in life, I hadn't had a ton of experience

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 1>someff that I have now necessarily, but I don't know.

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 1>And I also feel like I couldn't go deep every

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>single scene, right, And also these things are happening, so

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 1>she's processing, right, But like because Kyle and I are

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.640
<v Speaker 1>not connected at that point, right, we're not because when

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>we were connected, it was so fun to watch, you

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, And now we're really not, Like

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.879
<v Speaker 1>you could tell he's the character is shut down, right,

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>not the actor. But it's sad for me to watch it.

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 1>I just feel sad. I feel sad and like disappointed,

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.839
<v Speaker 1>which I guess is how Charlotte feels. So I can't guess.

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying is I can't completely separate myself and

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 1>watch objectively. I still feel the feelings.

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Of which is a testament to the quality of the performance,

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 2>the fact that it has this psychic resonance with you

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 2>decades later.

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>But don't you think that's just being an actor too?

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:28.760
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, that's being a really good actor.

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 2>That's being that's being that's that's being a top tier.

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 1>That's so nice, that's so nice. But yeah, I just

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 1>felt really it was like I was so sad. I

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know, and I just feel like disappointed, Like I'm like,

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I did that. I don't know

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>if it's good enough. With all Charlotte type thoughts, you

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. It's sad. Though it's sad to watch, it's.

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Hard to watch.

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely she taking wants it so much.

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 2>It took that for her to get to Harry so totally.

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 1>And Miranda weird Miranda, and then and then and then

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 1>we didn't even mention Samantha with Richard. Where's my Samantha page?

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Because Samantha's with Richard and they're on the plane, which

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember this at all, Right, is this? Yes?

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 2>So Samantha her her first uh plot point in the

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 2>episode is she has the meeting with Richard and oh

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>that's funny seven minutes late, and well, it took me

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes to get through your labyrinth of the lobby.

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, and so he's such an ick.

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh he's disgusting in this My God, what's wrong with you? Women? Troubles?

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 2>Like it's he's so bad.

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 1>It's so like like you would never do that now,

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>like if you did, that would be a total villain.

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Immediate villain, Yeah, immediate, it would be somehow that was

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that was like, I so kind of want to fuck

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 2>him on his plane though.

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.799
<v Speaker 1>It's so funny, but also the way that he plays it,

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:57.359
<v Speaker 1>he does give it a like he plays against the

0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 1>shouting a bit, like he's doing the thing that's in

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 1>the script, but he also got and then he very

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 1>quickly like he's yelling at her because he's unhappy about

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 1>this other hotel getting attention or something in the paper.

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>And then she tells she's He's like, so, what are

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 1>you going to do about it? And she's like, well

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I already did this and this and this, and he's like, oh, okay.

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:18.879
<v Speaker 2>Exactly because she is she's good at what she does,

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:21.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's nice. Exactly.

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:21.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I like that.

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 2>It's I know, it's such a good moment of like

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 2>having this sort of like swinging dick competition and Samantha's

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:30.880
<v Speaker 2>not going to like step down, which is really interesting.

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 1>And I hadn't remembered that about their relationship at all.

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I just remember that he was supposed to be some

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 1>big deal or whatever, like.

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Like a hotel magnet.

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like Schnobble or whatever. I don't know who are

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 1>those ones Ea Schaeffer, you know what I mean, the

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:52.240
<v Speaker 1>totally yeah. Anyway, it's interesting. And then they're on the plane.

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:53.359
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm just.

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Like wow, I love it.

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 4>Wow wow.

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>And then and then Richard agrees that he likes sleeping

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 1>around and whisking girls away on it. Oh that's how

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 1>they end up on the plane. That was also interesting

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>because he's like, I mean, I guess it's like she's

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>tried to have her relationship with Maria, which obviously didn't

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 1>go that well because Maria wanted to talk a lot

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 1>and Maria I know, And now she's like, well, I'm

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 1>going to be with someone like me. Yeah, right, because

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 1>part of the way he gets on the plane, he's like, yeah,

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>I like to whisk girls off.

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 2>And then she says that's what I'm saying, Like this

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.839
<v Speaker 2>they are both like monogamy, and I know that's what

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 2>she loves.

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 1>I know, which is interesting because right because at a

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 1>certain point aren't they going to be monogamous.

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:40.919
<v Speaker 2>By the end of the next episode with the needle drop.

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 2>It's the next episode. The episode opens with her talking

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 2>long pink, It's delicious, and then it ends with them

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:51.839
<v Speaker 2>in the pool at dawn on the roof. Yes song

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 2>comes in and it's just like.

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Got it okay, now it's now it's no, it's making sense,

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>making sense. This is interesting, Okay. I mean the Richard

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:05.400
<v Speaker 1>storyline like pretty much not much memory. I remember the

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 1>visual of the I think I went to that apartment

0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:10.879
<v Speaker 1>because I think we had to read through there because

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 1>we would have to do our read throughs at lunch,

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, because we had no time or whatever, and

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 1>we would try to be at Silver Cup where we

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.279
<v Speaker 1>were filming our studio, because that the writers had a

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 1>floor there. Yeah, and so we would go up there

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 1>for lunch. But if we didn't, if we couldn't time

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 1>it correctly for the next read through, because the writers

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 1>need to hear the read through before they can do

0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 1>their adjustments and whatnot, then we would have to be

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 1>on location for the read through. And I think we

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:33.719
<v Speaker 1>were there because I remember standing on that roof and

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>it was really gorgeous.

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's amazing.

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Downtown. It was pretty impressive.

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.839
<v Speaker 2>When you get to that scene and I'm curious to hear.

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now it makes you feel because I'm excited.

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 2>It's so beautiful and it's it's the first time in

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 2>the series we get one of those songs coming in

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:49.879
<v Speaker 2>at the end, which is so cool.

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I wonder why we changed our you know, thoughts on

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 1>the music or whatever.

0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Why we it was beautiful though.

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it worked.

0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh god, it works so Like Michelle brand if

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.360
<v Speaker 2>I just breathe at the end of the Trapeze episode,

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:09.440
<v Speaker 2>that one is perfect, like we done. No, no, it's coming.

0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, I love that. I don't remember that. That

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>one's so I mean every time on the West Side Highway,

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, there it is, yep, so great. Oh my god, Yes,

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 1>we really do change it up. You know what I

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 1>think it was. It was that we could finally afford it.

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, there has to be a budget, yeah,

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 2>because those were big songs.

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Definitely, definitely, And before that I think it was all original.

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I love the original music.

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 1>You do.

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Yeah.

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:38.400
<v Speaker 1>That's good. I think at some point there was a

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 1>CD which I thought was odd.

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 2>No, it's iconic music, and it's so just that. The

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:49.720
<v Speaker 2>jazz running through this New York City show a heaven

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 2>so true.

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Wait did we do enough of Miranda? Probably not.

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh Steve shows back up with the hand Me Down ring.

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that are you Steve? I know, I

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:03.800
<v Speaker 2>don't want to marry you either, especially.

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Not right now. He goes, he's so great. And also like,

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just so funny and crazy, and like,

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 1>who thought of that? You know what I mean?

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 2>It's so good.

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:21.359
<v Speaker 1>It's really funny and good and so counter to the

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:23.279
<v Speaker 1>I think they thought, like, well, if we're going to

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.960
<v Speaker 1>have this beautiful proposal on the street in the night, right,

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:28.839
<v Speaker 1>we have to counterpoint to that, you know, So they're

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 1>the counterpoint. But later they're not going to be Yeah yeah,

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 1>but that takes a while, right, Yeah. Yeah, it's super interesting.

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how. I don't know, Like I said,

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how we get from this point to

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>where they're going.

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's so good, it's oh my god, it's it's that.

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 2>That's when I'm That's what I'm saying. They're the most

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 2>beautiful character arcs ever.

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they really worked hard at it and The

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 1>funny thing is that in my mind I had not

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:59.359
<v Speaker 1>really been clear on how completely different the idea of

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:02.319
<v Speaker 1>each episode was in the beginning versus now, right, Like,

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I knew in my mind that at a certain point

0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 1>we really doubled down on the long term story arc, right,

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.880
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I love as a viewer, That's what

0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to watch, right, And the fact that it

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.879
<v Speaker 1>wasn't in a soapy way. You know that we're having

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 1>their relationship stories, but they're not soapy, right, So we're

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:22.919
<v Speaker 1>keeping the comedic element, but we're also kind of going

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.399
<v Speaker 1>to a drama element and mixing it up. I love

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:27.040
<v Speaker 1>that so much as a viewer.

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 2>And that's what's also so satisfying is because you still

0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 2>get the element of sitcom. You're still seeing each of

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 2>these four women deal with a certain iteration of something

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 2>in their own lens, in their own lane and their

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 2>own capacity, from their own perspective, and it's always still maintaining.

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 1>That right right, right. I mean, I wouldn't describe it

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 1>as sitcom, but I know what.

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:52.319
<v Speaker 3>You're saying, that element, you know what I mean, eving

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 3>the connected kind of the idea of the show that

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 3>we're turning over one theme with each character.

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, I wouldn't say sitcom because sitcom really

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 1>means situational comedy, which used to be like the one

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>set like the friend's coffee shop set, right when that

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>meant for cameras and an audience, right, So we were

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:16.400
<v Speaker 1>never that. We were single camera and kind of like

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>a little movie, even though we weren't, you know what

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:19.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 2>And again that's why Sex and City changed everything, because

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.239
<v Speaker 2>you didn't really even know what to call it at

0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:27.799
<v Speaker 2>the time, and didn't know what to call it really

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:30.520
<v Speaker 2>because it was comedy and it was right, but it

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>also evolved into this beautiful drama that just has now

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 2>spanned decades and so it's it's it's Shakespearean as it

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 2>is comedic. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean Shakespeare has both, right, Yeah, it's good,

0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:47.319
<v Speaker 1>It's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven, I have one pressing question for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, I have I have put a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>work okay preparing this. I had to discuss it with

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 2>my boyfriend too length, because oh, he's a turbos stand

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.719
<v Speaker 2>like he listens to the podcast the second that.

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 1>It drops so sweet.

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.959
<v Speaker 2>But he was like, he was like, you can't because

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:13.759
<v Speaker 2>I had like a zodiac answer with the rising moon

0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:15.279
<v Speaker 2>and sun, and he was like, you can't say that.

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Chris like christ and likes it the most if you

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 2>just pick one and stick with it. And I was like,

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, so horrible.

0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:23.879
<v Speaker 1>You can do whatever you want.

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 2>You can do whatever. I liked. I liked that challenge

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<v Speaker 2>and his feedback I agreed with, ok.

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I still want you to ask a question, Simon, are

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<v Speaker 1>you a Charlotte?

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I am a Samanthamantha first, and let me tell you

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:49.640
<v Speaker 2>tell me having watched the show six trillion times there,

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:51.959
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously, there's so much more to the show

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 2>than sex. There's so much more to Samantha than sex,

0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 2>and there's so much and hearing hearing my partner say

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:00.880
<v Speaker 2>this to me, I was like, at first I was

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:03.920
<v Speaker 2>taken aback, and then it was like oh And the

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:06.320
<v Speaker 2>more we talked it out, the more I was like, Holy,

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:12.480
<v Speaker 2>you're right. There's a fierceness to Samantha's loyalty. Like there's

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 2>a scene it's in season one, the Connecticut baby Shower.

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, she stole my baby. Man, you bitch.

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Let's go into like like that's that's how I operate. Also,

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 2>she is always it's not that she is always driven

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 2>by a need to express her opinion. She's driven by

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:42.240
<v Speaker 2>this expectation that her opinion is valid, as is everybody

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:45.760
<v Speaker 2>else around her. And it's confusing to her. Why would

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 2>you not share your opinion? Why are you not sharing

0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts? And that's that also is like that's so me,

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Like that's like having to put my foot in my

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 2>mouth at times, or just speaking a little too bluntly,

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 2>like I would be the person at the coffee table

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 2>to be like wrong ring, wrong man, but like to

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:09.160
<v Speaker 2>just say it, and there's and how else to describe it,

0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Like it just an aversion to rules for the sake

0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:19.320
<v Speaker 2>of rules. Samantha is ferociously existing on her own terms, definitely,

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and like refuses to abide by the status quo for

0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:27.279
<v Speaker 2>the sake of the status quo. She will make decisions

0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 2>form her life, even even the tidbits that we get

0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:34.720
<v Speaker 2>about her life. She has come from nothing and nowhere

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:39.480
<v Speaker 2>and has built something just because she believed that she could. Definitely,

0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:43.880
<v Speaker 2>and the part of me too that has in past

0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 2>because my first answer when I was talking about this

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 2>with my boyfriend was Charlotte and he was like, no,

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 2>you're a Samantha. And my first thing that I cling

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:57.080
<v Speaker 2>to with my Charlotte answer is the eternal optimist. You know.

0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm a cancer survivor. I had leukemia as

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:04.319
<v Speaker 2>a child wild and I was always just my sense

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 2>of optimism is what allowed me to survive. I just

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:11.160
<v Speaker 2>had this belief in knowing that I was going to

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 2>live and go on and do all of these things.

0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:15.279
<v Speaker 2>And it's that's something that's always been a part of

0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 2>me with with Charlotte, and in having this conversation, I

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:23.280
<v Speaker 2>realized that that's something about Samantha as well. Yes, Samantha,

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 2>there's you know, there's a line in season six where

0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:29.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, Carrie is debating if she can be with

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>the Russian because he already has a kid and he's

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:35.640
<v Speaker 2>had of a sectomy, and Samantha is the one who

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 2>tells her, you know, well, what else is on the table?

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:40.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's a pretty fabulous life too. Like she also

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 2>in a different sense, is she's always looking at from

0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 2>a positive perspective or how can what's to build positively here?

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 2>What's the positive past forward or positive path forward? And

0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 2>it's so it's it's interesting, there is this sense of optimism,

0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:03.759
<v Speaker 2>and I just aligned. I align with that.

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:04.719
<v Speaker 1>I like it.

0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:05.839
<v Speaker 2>I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, just out of curiosity. If you were going to

0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:21.319
<v Speaker 1>answer it with an astrology type of an answer, what

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:22.040
<v Speaker 1>were you going to say?

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:24.960
<v Speaker 2>So my answer for that, and I love yours, so

0:49:25.000 --> 0:49:29.359
<v Speaker 2>you want to know that answer my I was going

0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:32.520
<v Speaker 2>to say that my son's sign is a Charlotte, my

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:37.160
<v Speaker 2>rising is a Carrie and a Samantha Moon cool.

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:39.480
<v Speaker 1>So your interior would be Samantha.

0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:42.879
<v Speaker 2>I like that emotional, like the the you know, sense

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 2>of emotion that's really good through the.

0:49:45.239 --> 0:49:48.359
<v Speaker 1>No Miranda, No Miranda, No, no Miranda, She's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just not in my chart.

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's no. You don't seem right.

0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I love Miranda, she doesn't love She's just not in

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 2>my I love it. That's not my girl's birth chart.

0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Love it, love it. Well, this is what I want

0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:04.919
<v Speaker 1>to say. You are such a joy, but also such

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:09.760
<v Speaker 1>an encyclopedia of knowledge about our show. Oh my God,

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:14.480
<v Speaker 1>can quote lines from all the seasons, every episode, whenever appropriate.

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:15.399
<v Speaker 1>It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just it's it's so hard to accurately convey

0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:22.279
<v Speaker 2>to you how much part of my life it's been.

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.799
<v Speaker 2>It's just it doesn't even make sense and even thinking

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:30.000
<v Speaker 2>about it, like I it's it's every day when I if I,

0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:32.480
<v Speaker 2>if I'm leaving the house, Sex and the City is

0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.920
<v Speaker 2>what my dogs watch. Like it's that's what like turning

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:37.920
<v Speaker 2>on noise for the dogs while they leave. It's just

0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:39.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, like they watch Sex and the City. And

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:43.279
<v Speaker 2>so when I get and inevitably, like I finish out

0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:46.200
<v Speaker 2>the episode playing, I'll come home, you know, from whatever

0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 2>it is that I've been doing, and I watch the

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:51.080
<v Speaker 2>next episode. And that's in addition to my you know,

0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:55.719
<v Speaker 2>constant series rewatches, and you know, you go through so

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 2>many years of that and all of a sudden it's like, well,

0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:01.160
<v Speaker 2>I was watching it on repeat as a child. I

0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>was watching it on repeat in high school, Like this

0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:08.000
<v Speaker 2>was my comfort when I moved by myself out into

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the world, like from Oklahoma to LA Like that was

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:13.799
<v Speaker 2>like that was my comfort, my sense of home, my

0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:18.440
<v Speaker 2>sense of you know, inspiration to go do and be something.

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:20.799
<v Speaker 1>Right and interesting.

0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's just always been the touch point, the comfort,

0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:28.839
<v Speaker 2>like a sense of warmth and safety with these characters.

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I do feel I was telling Sarah Jessica when she

0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:37.520
<v Speaker 1>was on I do feel more like I of course

0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:41.279
<v Speaker 1>experienced you know, the filming of it, right, Yeah, so

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:44.319
<v Speaker 1>they are my friends, and I do feel this like

0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:48.200
<v Speaker 1>intense connection and it was hard to be objective about

0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.799
<v Speaker 1>how the fans perceived it. But rewatching and then kind

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 1>of experiencing it anew when I'm away from it, like

0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I went traveling a bit. I didn't didn't film the podcast. Yeah,

0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:00.560
<v Speaker 1>so didn't watch it for a couple of weeks back

0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 1>turned it back on. You do feel a warmth, like

0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you feel like a physical thing when you're watching it.

0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:11.359
<v Speaker 2>It's a cashmere blanket kind of amazing. It is. It's

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:12.280
<v Speaker 2>so comforting.

0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've gotten a little insight into what

0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:18.839
<v Speaker 1>it's like to just be a fan in a way

0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:22.400
<v Speaker 1>that I'm very thankful for. It's really really fascinating.

0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:27.640
<v Speaker 2>It's deeply magical that you guys mad magic, yeahk you,

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:30.040
<v Speaker 2>And it's so lucky and it's changed the world. I mean,

0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:32.040
<v Speaker 2>you can invite me on it all you want, but

0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 2>it is true. I'm telling you. It's it's it's the

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:39.600
<v Speaker 2>show that changed everything. It's the show that changed everything.

0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Simon Curtis, thank you so much. Excellent, excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess it's been the honor, privilege, and pleasure of my life.

0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:53.440
<v Speaker 1>You're just a joy in every way. Thank you, so

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:57.080
<v Speaker 1>so smart and thoughtful and so many insights. Thank you,

0:52:57.360 --> 0:53:00.120
<v Speaker 1>and all of my listeners who are hardcore fans are

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:05.279
<v Speaker 1>going to appreciate that M.