Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Ah? Hello, everybody, welcome back to Are
Speaker 1: You a Charlotte? We are here with part two with
Speaker 1: Simon Curtis. We are breaking down Just Say Yes, which
Speaker 1: was directed by David Frankel, written by Cindy Schueback, and
Speaker 1: Simon knows everything. You guys, Let's talk about Carrie. Oh yes, wow, wow,
Speaker 1: this whole episode. Let me just tell you this memory
Speaker 1: that I have, and I had forgotten that it was
Speaker 1: this episode. This is the episode where Carrie finds an
Speaker 1: engagement ring in Aiden's jim bag in her apartment. Now,
Speaker 1: a lot of other things happened to but the thing
Speaker 1: that I remember about this is that Gwyneth Paltrow did
Speaker 1: a magazine, either Vogue or Harper's Bazaar, and she in
Speaker 1: her interview talks about how she really related to Carrie
Speaker 1: in this episode with the ring being wrong. Wow, and
Speaker 1: we were like, oh my god, Gwyneth Paltrow, We were
Speaker 1: so excited and that she understood that she related and
Speaker 1: understood what that would be like, like you're with the
Speaker 1: wrong person and they've picked out the wrong ring for you.
Speaker 1: They don't get you. You know, it was really interesting.
Speaker 1: I forgot that this was this episode. And not only that,
Speaker 1: but we begin the episode with this whole thing where
Speaker 1: her building is going, co Op. I had forgotten all
Speaker 1: of these details, and so she walks in and she's
Speaker 1: all shocked, and then she says to Aiden, like, you
Speaker 1: know what am I going to do? I'm going to
Speaker 1: have to move and he's like why, you know, why
Speaker 1: can't we buy it? He's so offhanded, And I love
Speaker 1: how they staged that whole scene because it's not they're
Speaker 1: not even like looking at each other and that.
Speaker 2: So that's in terms of the big sex and the
Speaker 2: city conversations. The Aiden conversation is one that I'm also
Speaker 2: very passionate about because I've been in Aiden as a
Speaker 2: villain camp since I was a kid. Even that first
Speaker 2: moment she walks in, you can hear panic in her voice.
Speaker 2: My building is going, co Op, did you get the tomatoes?
Speaker 2: Doesn't even acknowledge what she says. That's a good point,
Speaker 2: and it's just like, and it's yet another instance of
Speaker 2: everything about Carrie is trivial. Everything is just this thing
Speaker 2: that he needs to steer and control because even his
Speaker 2: response is well I'll buy it. I'll tear down the
Speaker 2: wall and then you can live with me, like and
Speaker 2: then like.
Speaker 1: There's some joke about rent, like what would be the rent?
Speaker 1: And he leans over to kiss her.
Speaker 2: And her face there's all these and like and God
Speaker 2: bless him for that performance. But there's just these this
Speaker 2: subtle breadcumb crumb trail the entire series, even leading into
Speaker 2: in the second movie. He's the one who who moves first.
Speaker 2: He's the one that has her kiss him in the
Speaker 2: second It happens in the second movie, like every time
Speaker 2: Aidan pops up, he's always a villain. And I was
Speaker 2: so glad. I was pissed for much of him, just
Speaker 2: like that. I was like, we are not retconning this.
Speaker 2: I cannot have the entire world being like, oh Aiden, yes,
Speaker 2: finally when we got his last episode, I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: there he is there. Just like that, when he was
Speaker 2: like get off of me, I was like, there, we
Speaker 2: got you.
Speaker 1: I interest in it, but I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh, there you are there. And that scene, I feel like,
Speaker 2: is such a microcosm of that. She walks in with
Speaker 2: a sort of devastating life changing news for herself and
Speaker 2: his responses did you get the tomatoes.
Speaker 1: That's true. That is true. It's interesting, It's very interesting.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that's interesting also when I'm watching,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm rewatching, and obviously I have a lot
Speaker 1: of feelings about Big as well, right, yeah, But I
Speaker 1: think the thing that really, the thing when Corbett is
Speaker 1: on screen that I mostly think about is how incredible
Speaker 1: their chemistry is, and also how I would hate to
Speaker 1: say that character is him, because I don't think it is.
Speaker 1: I think he's pretty different than Aiden, but I also
Speaker 1: feel like he really takes what's on the page and
Speaker 1: twists it in a really interesting way. Oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think that that he's just so good at
Speaker 1: playing Aiden, but in general, he's just a really good actor.
Speaker 1: But like their chemistry kind of would carry anything really yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: But then separately, he has so much going on in
Speaker 1: his head at all times, as does she, So like
Speaker 1: watching the two of them is super fascinating, and there
Speaker 1: are times I feel that way about Chris and her also,
Speaker 1: But then in this particular episode, I did not feel that,
Speaker 1: which we'll get to.
Speaker 2: And I think that incredible chemistry is what disguises the
Speaker 2: general population from actually acknowledging how villainous. I think the
Speaker 2: character is with Carries.
Speaker 1: I do think that that's true. And I think that
Speaker 1: there's a charm that he brings. Yeah, that also confuses
Speaker 1: the picture. But isn't that how relationships are too?
Speaker 2: Right? Absolutely, that als why the show is so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely definitely. And I do also feel
Speaker 1: like sometimes I watch it and I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: just want to take care of Carrie. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: she's just got all these feelings. But she's also like,
Speaker 1: I'm independent, I'm fine, I'm gonna move. I hate to move,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna move. I just want to help her
Speaker 1: and take care of her, and she doesn't really let anyone.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. It's interesting. Yeah, I have a lot of
Speaker 1: different thoughts and feelings when I watch it. So anyway,
Speaker 1: she walks in, she says this, he's got a whole
Speaker 1: plan in about two seconds, that he's gonna buy the
Speaker 1: apartment next door, charge her some kind of questionable rent,
Speaker 1: and knock the wall down, and then he leaves. And
Speaker 1: but then she she has a voice over saying that
Speaker 1: apparently he's doing his plan because he's got clothes just
Speaker 1: covering the whole apartment. So she's trying to put his
Speaker 1: clothes back into the bag, which is when she finds
Speaker 1: the jewelry box. She opens it, she sees this really
Speaker 1: sad looking gold engagement ring with a pear shaped diamond,
Speaker 1: and then she throws up, which I also completely forgot about.
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, one of her two physical reactions to marrying him.
Speaker 1: I know this is definitely and that.
Speaker 2: He rejected him the entire time. Yeah, ives in the
Speaker 2: joke wedding dress and vomit at the ring.
Speaker 1: My god, I mean, And also like, it's so interesting
Speaker 1: that we don't just say, well, Samantha does.
Speaker 2: And that's that's why I love Samantha, because she was
Speaker 2: right at the table full of girls who are trying
Speaker 2: to be supportive. She's the one that's like, no, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: I totally understand why Charlotte wouldn't be doing that. But
Speaker 1: I also felt like, come on, she threw up, for
Speaker 1: God's sake. It's a lot. It's a lot, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, but I did really like Samantha's
Speaker 1: point of view to wait. So then so then this
Speaker 1: is where it gets a little bit weird. So she
Speaker 1: goes she goes to the coffee shop. We discussed it all.
Speaker 1: She finds out that Miranda actually he had a part.
Speaker 1: She's a hideous ring.
Speaker 2: There's there's a moment. There's a moment. So a first off,
Speaker 2: your makeup in this entire season, it's unbody ever looked
Speaker 2: on camera ever.
Speaker 1: It's they Nicky Liederman. Yeah, at this point in time,
Speaker 1: I was telling a makeup artist about this a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago on a job. I believe this is
Speaker 1: when who made this. Someone made this product called magic
Speaker 1: and there's this like this is that's funny. It could
Speaker 1: have been like smash Box or somebody, and it was
Speaker 1: this jar of stuff and it was kind of iridescent,
Speaker 1: and they said like we made this like how they
Speaker 1: make car paint, and we thought that was great.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: They were like this is using technology, using car painting.
Speaker 1: We're like whoa. And we would take it our young
Speaker 1: selves and we would just mirroor it all over our
Speaker 1: whole faces. It was like a primer, but they didn't
Speaker 1: call it that. And then you put your makeup over it.
Speaker 1: And at this point I think I'm wearing like like
Speaker 1: Laura Mercedy tinted moisturizer because it's as anything, right, But
Speaker 1: I had that magic all over underneath. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I think it worked, but I don't think they make
Speaker 1: it anymore.
Speaker 2: You look like a porcelain doll in this entire season,
Speaker 2: and that particular scene is one of the scenes where
Speaker 2: it's just you sit down and Charlotte looks so like
Speaker 2: this beautiful doll like this, like it's hot, in the
Speaker 2: blue polo dress with a slick back and listen.
Speaker 1: I never I didn't appreciate it of the time, I
Speaker 1: really didn't. I always good enough.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know it's sad.
Speaker 1: It's really sad.
Speaker 2: An entire episode they have Charlotte looking like a goddess.
Speaker 1: You I know, I don't know how I'm so together.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty good. I liked my hair in
Speaker 1: the in the Scottish scene. It's really good.
Speaker 2: So it's perfect, really good, like Audrey Hepburn like it's stunning.
Speaker 1: It's really good. I know, it's really good. We were
Speaker 1: we were doing great at the time. We were really
Speaker 1: we were. We were functioning well, which is funny since
Speaker 1: I'm like vague on my memory of it all, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And I was just probably trying
Speaker 1: to get some sleep, you know. Anyway, let's go back,
Speaker 1: thank you, You're very sweet.
Speaker 2: The whole reason that I even interrupted that is because
Speaker 2: there's this tiny, tiny moment where Miranda says I picked
Speaker 2: the ring. They cut back to you for a millisecond
Speaker 2: and you're laughing, and I wanted to ask if that
Speaker 2: was a break or if that was sure.
Speaker 1: It was real. I'm pretty sure it was real.
Speaker 2: So good, pretty sure it was real.
Speaker 1: Because Cynthia is super funny, you know, and it is
Speaker 1: funny too, because like we would crack up a fair
Speaker 1: amount at the coffee shop scenes. But also there was
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure about the coffee shop scenes because
Speaker 1: you know, it's so kind of precise and everyone has
Speaker 1: to be like just on their queue and you can't
Speaker 1: mess a word up or anything. We would be there
Speaker 1: so many hours, right, and Michael would always be like,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to and their props have to
Speaker 1: be so on. Everything has to be so on. But
Speaker 1: I do think, excuse me, when they would we would.
Speaker 1: I could tell by this point in time that they've
Speaker 1: figured out good ways, Like we used to just be
Speaker 1: like straight on like films, straight right, and now we're
Speaker 1: doing the angles, like the cut across. So and that's
Speaker 1: one of the reason we'd be there so long. Is
Speaker 1: that you have to have reactions to each person, so
Speaker 1: to each angle, you know what I mean. But that
Speaker 1: did look like a break.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that did look like oh but no, but it
Speaker 2: felt it felt so real. Which also and also this
Speaker 2: moment where Charlotte is just laughing at the coffee table,
Speaker 2: that was rare.
Speaker 1: It's rare, but really good, really good. And I think
Speaker 1: Frankel's really Frankel directed Product Devil Worst Product one and two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a good director. And I think he also really
Speaker 1: knew us, you know, so like there's that that you
Speaker 1: can see in a good way. Yeah, And I'm saying
Speaker 1: like we seem very kind of settled and comfortable, which
Speaker 1: I liked. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, back to Carry, So Carrie Carry goes with us.
Speaker 1: She finds out that Miranda has something to do with it,
Speaker 1: but Miranda doesn't know what he's going to ask, and
Speaker 1: so now she's all like, what am I going to say?
Speaker 1: What am I going to say? And then she goes
Speaker 1: and this is a little strange to me. She takes
Speaker 1: Aiden out to her. She was a very pretty dress,
Speaker 1: and she says, I'm gonna I'm gonna accept his proposal
Speaker 1: to move in, because does she somehow think that then
Speaker 1: he won't propose? What is she doing?
Speaker 2: She even says I'll cut him off at the past.
Speaker 2: Got it, and it's she is. I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know what Carrie or Sarah Jessica's signs are. But Carrie
Speaker 2: always feels like such a sagittarius to me, and or
Speaker 2: a libra like one of those two. And it's but
Speaker 2: that is such, that is such sagittarius behavior, like yes,
Speaker 2: like it's being like, well let me, I'll do this,
Speaker 2: you can't do that, or you do that, and got
Speaker 2: to work Sir.
Speaker 1: Jica's in aries, but as is Cynthia.
Speaker 2: Wow, they're strong, but they love powerful.
Speaker 1: Thank god. It works out, thank god, thank god. But
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, oh Lord and man, I just got
Speaker 1: to get behind one of them and go up the
Speaker 1: mountains whatever mouthin they want to climb. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to keep up.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful, I know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, here we are back to carry Carrie carry
Speaker 1: It's hard to stay on task, but we're going to
Speaker 1: do it because it's a weird scene. It's a weird scene.
Speaker 1: So Carrie's out there trying to hel a cab in
Speaker 1: a super fantastic color block dress.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Also the episode before when she's writing she's eating a
Speaker 2: rocket pop which is that color palette?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're fighting.
Speaker 2: I know, it's so weird you even notice that. That's
Speaker 2: incredible it's the exact same, yes color palette of the
Speaker 2: pop seic.
Speaker 1: You know what, I want to get your opinion on.
Speaker 1: Sarah Jessica was on this week I Guess in the
Speaker 1: World and she I had this crazy outfit jogging her
Speaker 1: memory takes visuals. I've now started printing out pictures from
Speaker 1: when she comes on to show her to see if
Speaker 1: she'll remember things based on the outfit, which she does.
Speaker 1: And she said, just out of the blue that from
Speaker 1: this crazy outfit where she's got the purple tights pulled
Speaker 1: up over her shorts, do you remember this and the
Speaker 1: purple Victoria's secret bra Huh? She said, if she were
Speaker 1: to be collecting three outfits that would be quintessentially Carrie
Speaker 1: and show who Carrie was as a character, that would
Speaker 1: be one of the outfits, the purple type with the
Speaker 1: toes showing in the outfits.
Speaker 2: I understand me too.
Speaker 1: It's cool, but I wonder what the other outfits would be.
Speaker 1: And now I'm just dying to ask her.
Speaker 2: Oh, I feel like one of one of mine that
Speaker 2: I would put in was when she goes to dinner
Speaker 2: with Big and he's dating the movie star and he's like,
Speaker 2: she's a movie star.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, it was the same episode when we talked
Speaker 1: to her about it and we showed it to her,
Speaker 1: and she did not say that one. So she did
Speaker 1: love that one. Yeah, she'd love that one. And that
Speaker 1: skirt came from Century twenty one that I got Molly
Speaker 1: to talk about, which was great Westwood, but it ended
Speaker 1: up at Century twenty one, which is insane but okay.
Speaker 1: But then I had asked her, would it also be
Speaker 1: the white dress at the Columbus Fountain when she and
Speaker 1: ate and break up? She said no, because that's not
Speaker 1: quintessentially carry that's kind of like put on Carrie, like
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to be looking a certain way
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 2: What about when Carrie leaves justin Thureau when he's the
Speaker 2: premature ejaculator and she leaves it after breaking up with
Speaker 2: his mother and she sees the girls and knocks with
Speaker 2: the aviator a.
Speaker 1: Good one, but I don't think that that. I don't
Speaker 1: think she would pick that one because it's not kooky enough.
Speaker 1: I mean, would I pick it as one of my
Speaker 1: all time favorites, definitely, But I don't think it would
Speaker 1: be quintessentially Carrie because it isn't creative enough. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm getting from what she was saying. But I'm going
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of this. I'm going to
Speaker 1: get her back on the podcast just to ask her
Speaker 1: this question.
Speaker 2: Yes, because also with the Aviators, women weren't wearing the Creators.
Speaker 1: That's so true.
Speaker 2: You know, she was giving body and hair, but also
Speaker 2: the choice. With the Aviators, she was rocking George Michael
Speaker 2: Rayband Aviators and that was not no, that's true.
Speaker 1: That was a Sarah Jessica thing exactly. She wore that.
Speaker 1: She wore those big time all all the time. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the plot. So she's out there
Speaker 1: trying to get a cab in this fantastic dress and
Speaker 1: who should pull over because they're in midtown but mister
Speaker 1: Big and they have this wacky scene in the cab
Speaker 1: where he's trying to ask her about aid and she
Speaker 1: has a little secret smile and he says, what's that smile?
Speaker 1: And she's like nothing, and he's like what and she says,
Speaker 1: you don't really want me to tell you. He says,
Speaker 1: you said do and so she says something to the
Speaker 1: effect of he's going to ask her to marry him,
Speaker 1: and he's like, how do you know? And she's like,
Speaker 1: I just know. She doesn't tell him how she actually knows,
Speaker 1: which I think is interesting. And then he goes, well,
Speaker 1: it's not going to work out, and she's like why
Speaker 1: not and he goes cause you're not the marry and
Speaker 1: he smiles like that's a compliment or whatever. It's weird,
Speaker 1: and then she she's like, what do you mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: what did you think about that?
Speaker 2: I well, first, I love that she's wearing it almost
Speaker 2: looks like a Judith Lieber, like I do that huge thing,
Speaker 2: but it's a big apple. And then big pulls up
Speaker 2: in his town car. But there's there's just an energy
Speaker 2: with that that I love that. It's really cute, and
Speaker 2: I you know, I mean that's just you know, they're
Speaker 2: just the two ever circling planets orbiting each other, and
Speaker 2: I think that's at that point. I feel it's always
Speaker 2: felt to me like big in that moment, as having
Speaker 2: the realization of like you can't slip away, like you're
Speaker 2: you're you're, you're not supposed to You're not supposed to
Speaker 2: move on, like we're going to be doing this forever.
Speaker 1: I do think he thinks that, But I didn't like
Speaker 1: that that he thinks that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean that he's still He's still in
Speaker 2: his slime ball era, right, But that's like it's you know.
Speaker 1: He is, right, Yeah, I thought so too. I was like,
Speaker 1: he looks like he was up all night drinking like
Speaker 1: you probably was smoking his cigars and whatnot. I was like,
Speaker 1: who wants.
Speaker 2: That's he's you know, I always take that character and
Speaker 2: that's why I love them together inevitably because his arc,
Speaker 2: even though we don't experience it, we only experience it
Speaker 2: through the lens of Carrie. We still get the arc
Speaker 2: from the series beginning to end and how much he
Speaker 2: as a person cracks open and changes everything because of
Speaker 2: Carrie being in his life.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: And how Carrie is from the jump this enigma to him,
Speaker 2: and where I feel like he and Aiden differ is
Speaker 2: that Carrie is also an enigma to Aiden. But he wants,
Speaker 2: he wants to like break her and control, whereas Big,
Speaker 2: it just seems like he is afraid of the feeling
Speaker 2: that this enigma evokes in him. And it's because that
Speaker 2: feeling is love, and it's something that is that's anathema
Speaker 2: to him. And so I, even though he is this
Speaker 2: slime ball, having experienced his arc so many times, I
Speaker 2: have so much love for it, just because I know
Speaker 2: where it leads him, and I know it is eventually
Speaker 2: he has to crack open his heart and it happens.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a really good point. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with that. I'm going to stick with that
Speaker 1: because that's a good point because since I have been rewatching,
Speaker 1: I've been you know, like ew, you know, like fair amount.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In a way that surprised me because I was always
Speaker 1: pro Big, Charlotte was pro Big. So I didn't think
Speaker 1: harder about it than that. And I also think, as
Speaker 1: I've said before, dear listeners, apologize from me. Apologies.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I do think in the nineties we were all just
Speaker 1: so used to that type of man, you know, the
Speaker 1: really elusive you know, shut down, Yeah, where you're always
Speaker 1: having to try, try, try, I didn't think twice about it.
Speaker 1: At the time, I thought, yeah, of course she wants
Speaker 1: to be with him. I didn't think about it. Now
Speaker 1: I look back, I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2: I also think in that moment, he's really I think
Speaker 2: they're both trying so hard to pretend like they're friends.
Speaker 2: Like they are. These pals definitely can jab each other
Speaker 2: and like make quips about each other's life. And so
Speaker 2: I also think there's an element of him in that
Speaker 2: scene where he's he's trying to be sarcastic and play
Speaker 2: around like, oh, this is you know, you're not the
Speaker 2: marrying kind. Like it's like a sly dig with his buddy,
Speaker 2: but Carrie's not your buddy, like it's it's so I
Speaker 2: think that's also an element of like he's playing games
Speaker 2: with himself, trying to like make himself believe that this
Speaker 2: is his pal and not the love of his life.
Speaker 1: Right right. It's interesting. It's very interesting. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess it's good that they it's interesting to see the progression,
Speaker 1: you know, over time of their characters. Definitely, Yeah, And
Speaker 1: also like when they went out to dinner in the
Speaker 1: country episode, when she goes back and goes out to
Speaker 1: dinner with them and he talks about the actress. You're
Speaker 1: just like, what is happening? Yeah, it's weird, but it
Speaker 1: do feel like it, Yes, I do feel like it
Speaker 1: is like when you're trying to be friends with an
Speaker 1: ex and you are literally sitting there like why am
Speaker 1: I doing this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like, well what am I doing?
Speaker 2: And with them that there's this energy vortex. It just
Speaker 2: keeps pulling them back together. And you know, I feel
Speaker 2: like so much of his acting out, especially by the
Speaker 2: time we get to season four, it's just because he's
Speaker 2: every time he's with her, he doesn't It's it's he's
Speaker 2: getting more and more scared of this mysterious emotion that
Speaker 2: she elicits from him, which is love interesting. Okay, I
Speaker 2: don't want to feel that he doesn't want to know
Speaker 2: what that is.
Speaker 1: Go on this. We're going to go on this. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: then we get Okay. So at this point, I'm feeling
Speaker 1: kind of frustrated because I'm like with Aiden and definitely
Speaker 1: with Big right, which is kind of sad and not
Speaker 1: how I felt at the time that we were ranking
Speaker 1: the show, when I just thought they were both great.
Speaker 1: So then so then she goes she goes, she she, she,
Speaker 1: We're back with Carrie and they're out in a beautiful
Speaker 1: summer night. I love these scenes when we're filming in
Speaker 1: the no way. I did read something that supposedly they're
Speaker 1: in the they're in. Yeah, I think that the note
Speaker 1: that we have Hannah, I don't think that that. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to ignore this one. I'm going to fully
Speaker 1: ignore it. Sorry, it was a trivia thing. I'm going
Speaker 1: to ignore it. But to get in my mind for
Speaker 1: a second, it looks like the village. To me, it
Speaker 1: looks like Perry Street, which is what it should be, right,
Speaker 1: because that's where Carrie's apartment is. I'm not supposed to
Speaker 1: say that, I don't think, but who cares whatever.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows, yeah, like tourists.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm not supposed to say because the
Speaker 1: people that people don't like it.
Speaker 2: But whatever, get over it. You bought the sexon that,
Speaker 2: you bought Carrie's house, deal with that glove eggies time.
Speaker 1: Really I think that's the situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you know what, what a gift in your
Speaker 2: life that you get to live in a national monument.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I would be making people's cookies and.
Speaker 1: That would be sweet. That would be sweet unless they
Speaker 1: did so. And I think at one point maybe it
Speaker 1: was for sale, but now I don't know what happened
Speaker 1: with it. But anyway, it is there.
Speaker 2: It's there.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows where it is. It's Perry Street. And to me,
Speaker 1: that shot when they're they're going to take Pete for
Speaker 1: a walk, and it's so beautiful and the trees are
Speaker 1: lit so.
Speaker 4: Beautifully, it's gorgeous, so gorgeous, and so I mean, I
Speaker 4: know that they say that we kind of made New
Speaker 4: York City like into a fantasy, but also I feel
Speaker 4: like that's how it is.
Speaker 1: And like a spring summer night, it's like, ooh, magical.
Speaker 2: It looked like do settling. Like it wasn't the summer.
Speaker 2: It wasn't hot and steamy, but there was this.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I think it is hot and steamy.
Speaker 2: Oh they well, they made a good job of not
Speaker 2: didn't look.
Speaker 1: Like she's wearing those tiny shorts. Yes, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's hot. I think it's hot. I think this
Speaker 1: the summer of two thousand and one. Yeah, the summer
Speaker 1: of two thousand and one. It wasn't like one hundred
Speaker 1: and five hot, but it was glorious hot like hot
Speaker 1: and bright colors and fantastic and you know, like still
Speaker 1: summer and all.
Speaker 2: I can see this beautiful humidity in the air with
Speaker 2: the lights and it doesn't look like it doesn't look
Speaker 2: like thog, It like real steam in the air and
Speaker 2: it's so pretty. It is really love that of them walking.
Speaker 1: Down so gorgeous, and Aiden is very good in this scene.
Speaker 1: He pretends that he's trying to get a poop bag
Speaker 1: for the.
Speaker 2: Dog, which is exactly how Carrie Bradshaw wants to be
Speaker 2: proposed to, with a fake out dog poop bag.
Speaker 1: It was pretty good though, because she's really expecting it now.
Speaker 1: And do you remember when they go to the dinner
Speaker 1: where she's like, I say yes to moving in and
Speaker 1: then she says I have to go to the bathroom
Speaker 1: and they cut to him and he looks sideways. You
Speaker 1: can just tell he's like, what is she doing? Like
Speaker 1: I think he's got it all figured out? Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 5: This?
Speaker 2: Which is another reason which is another part of him
Speaker 2: controlling her. He tricks her. Instead of giving her a
Speaker 2: real proposal that Carrie would actually love, he does the
Speaker 2: poop bag trick, which, along with the ring that is
Speaker 2: not the proposal for Carrie.
Speaker 1: That's wrong.
Speaker 2: Proposal wrong guy.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, You're right, because he's like he's doing
Speaker 1: the like if it were me. Yeah, and I was
Speaker 1: walking my dog and someone proposed to me. Not that
Speaker 1: I really care about this in life, I don't, but
Speaker 1: like that would be the time or the place, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, walking my dog in the summer night. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but not Carrie.
Speaker 2: Not carry sweatshorts.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: It's so cute, is so good.
Speaker 1: It's so cute. But anyway, he gets down, he surprises
Speaker 1: her and of course, thank god is the good ring.
Speaker 1: Thank God in heaven. And then we find out later
Speaker 1: that's Samantha had something to do with that, which I
Speaker 1: did not remember this either.
Speaker 2: You didn't remember that.
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, oh I love that scene that's at the
Speaker 5: end of it, Like, oh my gosh, it's her delivery
Speaker 5: and that's so so so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good. It's really good. So and then
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful ring, which I also didn't remember. And
Speaker 1: this is the ring that she's now going to wear
Speaker 1: around the necklace, correct, which is so crazy. I mean,
Speaker 1: like it's all very interesting, very interesting. I do feel
Speaker 1: like we need some some input from the writers on
Speaker 1: how I forgot to ask Michael about the ring around
Speaker 1: the neck. Yeah, we got to find out how that
Speaker 1: came about.
Speaker 2: Because she's allergic to him. She's allergic to a life
Speaker 2: with him. I mean, she vomited, she breaks out in
Speaker 2: a rash. She can't put the ring on her finger,
Speaker 2: like she's allergic to it, because puts it on when
Speaker 2: she gets it though, I can't wear the ship and
Speaker 2: it's because her subconscious nose the whole time.
Speaker 1: Do you think you're right? Yeah? I do. You think
Speaker 1: you're right?
Speaker 2: And that's what makes it so satisfying to watch her
Speaker 2: come to terms with.
Speaker 1: That definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 2: And face that definitely.
Speaker 1: And I don't really remember at the time. Did people
Speaker 1: feel in the world like she shouldn't be with him?
Speaker 2: People know, everybody was pro aid and everybody. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I think that also fed the narrative of you know,
Speaker 2: people have this. You know, certain people who I don't
Speaker 2: align with and don't like them, will always fight have
Speaker 2: these opinions about Carrie. Yeah, and you know, like these
Speaker 2: people who call Carrie a narcissist or all of these things,
Speaker 2: which I think is just such bullshit because to me,
Speaker 2: Carrie Bradshaw is she's an artist. She is deeply courageous
Speaker 2: in her capacity for love and her willingness to search
Speaker 2: for love and to be loved. Yeah, And I to me,
Speaker 2: she's always just such a beacon of that, Like she's
Speaker 2: just she's living very honestly. She's she's really really trying
Speaker 2: in an earnest way to find happiness, find love. And
Speaker 2: I've just always found her to be very courageous.
Speaker 1: I think you're right.
Speaker 2: And also with this aident scenario and even with Big
Speaker 2: when she had the affair, you know, I would never
Speaker 2: villainize her because she's just trying to follow her heart
Speaker 2: and to figure out her her heart and what her
Speaker 2: soul needs and wants.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I do think though, back to
Speaker 1: how we were talking earlier about the show kind of
Speaker 1: you know, changing things and shaking things up or whatever,
Speaker 1: it wasn't really done that your your heroine, your your
Speaker 1: lead is gonna cheat, you know, like blatantly. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's true and it kind of a
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, unapologetic way, because she is apologetic.
Speaker 1: Obviously she's tortured about it, but also she does it
Speaker 1: right like we weren't afraid to do that stuff. And
Speaker 1: I think that that's part of what you're saying is
Speaker 1: that Carrie Cary was very honest about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, which is amazing, Which is such a testament
Speaker 2: to the show because even now, when we try to
Speaker 2: have female characters that are depicted in an honest way,
Speaker 2: the internet will come for the actor's next. Meanwhile, we
Speaker 2: have Walter White selling meth and killing people for eight
Speaker 2: seasons of television, and he is might as well be
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ himself, like Saint Candles, true, true, and well,
Speaker 2: Carrie Bradshaw is just trying to figure her life out
Speaker 2: and there are people who call for her head and
Speaker 2: it's like, you know what, this woman's just trying to
Speaker 2: figure it out, and she's just writing and loving and
Speaker 2: doing it with such like fierce earnesty and honest.
Speaker 1: I agree, really, no, I agree. I agree. She is
Speaker 1: very she's very much pursuing like her own version of
Speaker 1: the truth, you know, and that's what she writes about.
Speaker 1: That's what she's doing. It's what we talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: all of us all the time. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Miranda because we've got this very interesting
Speaker 1: development with the baby where she decides to finally tell
Speaker 1: Steve at the like hot Dogs Stand or whatever, what
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: It's ice crazy. I'm sorry, that's what That's such there
Speaker 2: so there are when you go back and watch the series,
Speaker 2: there are so many subtle moments that are so funny
Speaker 2: they make me belly laugh. First of which is Charlotte
Speaker 2: and I'm dating a man with the funkiest tasting spunk,
Speaker 2: and you just get up and walk out and there's
Speaker 2: not an acknowledgement, there's nothing that's just personal gone. I
Speaker 2: laugh until I cry at just the physical comedy of that.
Speaker 2: It's so funny, and this is one of them. Carrie's
Speaker 2: voice is Meanwhile, Miranda is looking for the perfect moment
Speaker 2: immediate cut Steve, I'm pregnant. It's just so dead parent.
Speaker 2: It's funny, so fucking funny.
Speaker 1: It's funny. It's funny. It's true, the cutting, the editing,
Speaker 1: you know, and the delivery and the writing. It's all
Speaker 1: very funny. And I agree, very funny, and I didn't
Speaker 1: remember it. This is the like where I'm just watching
Speaker 1: everything for the first time. You know, it's really funny,
Speaker 1: just a genius. I also I couldn't really remember how
Speaker 1: I can't still really I'm not I don't have clarity
Speaker 1: almost going to have with Steve and Miranda. I know
Speaker 1: where they get to, but I don't know how they
Speaker 1: get there, don't know how they get there.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: This is this is such a fascinating experience for me
Speaker 2: also because I mean, I listened to the podcast, so
Speaker 2: I know, you know, I've heard you talk, you know,
Speaker 2: at length about your experience with it and how this
Speaker 2: podcast is an exploration back into something that you haven't
Speaker 2: touched in so long because it was such a significant
Speaker 2: portion of your life. Yeah. And then someone like me
Speaker 2: I from pre pubescence was watching this and then immediately
Speaker 2: rewatching and rewatching, and me and my best friend in Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: Mandy Like, she got like the Swayed the Pink Swayed
Speaker 2: DVD sid book for herself when she was going to
Speaker 2: owe you her first year. So we just would devour
Speaker 2: the DVDs over and over again.
Speaker 1: Did you have the one where Michael Patrick did the
Speaker 1: voice over of it?
Speaker 2: It was the full series collection with the Pink Sway
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't know if we ever watched
Speaker 2: the special features together I think.
Speaker 1: You would have to go to the special features in there.
Speaker 1: He had when the show was ending, he had gone
Speaker 1: in and recorded like thoughts or whatever. I don't know
Speaker 1: that I've ever heard it, but occasionally someone will like
Speaker 1: write to me and say like, oh, Michael Patrick said
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah. And it was kind
Speaker 1: of the early version of podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, DVD feature attes right. And so for me,
Speaker 2: like I've seen I've literally seen all these episodes like
Speaker 2: sixty eight times to amazing here that that's such a
Speaker 2: fascinating I know it is interesting.
Speaker 1: It's interesting for me too, because like, first of all,
Speaker 1: there's my memory. Then there's my memory of the show,
Speaker 1: like my memory of shooting the show them my memory
Speaker 1: of the show. And then sometimes my memory of the
Speaker 1: show doesn't actually match the show, you know, Like I
Speaker 1: was telling you, like we were to take all these
Speaker 1: scenes with Charlotte, I would have spread them out. I
Speaker 1: don't know what season I would have put them in,
Speaker 1: but I had no idea. They were like bam, bam, bam.
Speaker 1: It's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was one of the things that I
Speaker 2: was talking about that I in my dream for the
Speaker 2: next iteration of seeing these characters. I just missed the
Speaker 2: I want the jam packed, I want the I want that.
Speaker 2: It's each episode is such a little mini roller coaster
Speaker 2: and it takes you on that, and so this episode
Speaker 2: is such an encapsulation of that.
Speaker 1: It's true, It's true. The only sad thing about Charlotte's
Speaker 1: roller coaster of this episode is it doesn't come up.
Speaker 1: It just ends really down. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: happens next.
Speaker 2: Do you really not know? I mean, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I can try to think of some things that I
Speaker 1: could guess. I think there's that scene where we're going
Speaker 1: to break up but he comes back for the town
Speaker 1: of Country shoot or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's this, Okay, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but that is that is coming right that
Speaker 2: the next because the next episode is long Pink, It's delicious,
Speaker 2: And that's the that's Samantha's where she's talking about Richard
Speaker 2: when Samantha find Richard. We quote that all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, long.
Speaker 2: It's oh, that's like one of the iconic lies, Richard
Speaker 2: with the perfect dick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then by the end, too much information.
Speaker 2: But then by the end that's when they have that
Speaker 2: beautiful needle drop that carries the entire end of the
Speaker 2: episode with the Shade song by your Side, and it's
Speaker 2: and then that's oh God. In the next episode is
Speaker 2: with Your Rogain and your speed Stick when they move
Speaker 2: in together, when Carrie and Aiden he's moved in and
Speaker 2: he choose one of from Manolo Blannocks.
Speaker 1: Don't have a single memory all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And she's like, you're ship, my ship, and like they yeah,
Speaker 2: oh it's such a good Oh, it's it's jam packed. Wow.
Speaker 2: But Charlotte's is what was her?
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: It's right after Oh, it's the cardboard Baby. It's the
Speaker 2: cardboard baby. Don't you bring up in here. You are
Speaker 2: the man who got me a cardboard baby.
Speaker 1: It's really bad. Did you hear Trey when he came on, Sorry, Kyle,
Speaker 1: it's really sad. Kyle came on those twice, right, No,
Speaker 1: just once, and he was like, yeah, I wasn't sure.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure how I felt about the Cardboard Baby,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, they they just you're just
Speaker 1: trying things, Kyle. Sorry, Trey doesn't know. Obviously, I can't
Speaker 1: separate them.
Speaker 2: No, clearly, Oh, that's so cute.
Speaker 1: It's really sad. It's so sad. Yeah, it is really
Speaker 1: funny too when like, on the one hand, I feel
Speaker 1: like I have really good separation and everything, but then
Speaker 1: when you actually try to have a conversation about it
Speaker 1: all comes out. Yeah, it's all tangled up.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know what I mean. That's beautiful though, that
Speaker 2: those experiences are.
Speaker 1: Like that for sure. For sure. I mean you know,
Speaker 1: because you you know you you're trying to do the
Speaker 1: work on a deep level, right, so I guess you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the end of this episode with Charlotte.
Speaker 2: The conversation after the Scottish Fling is it's I mean,
Speaker 2: even rewatching it this morning to come here and talk
Speaker 2: about it with you, just watching both of you as actors.
Speaker 2: You're so in it. And you know when you get
Speaker 2: to watch eight actors do a ping pong match, that
Speaker 2: is just like it lights you up to watch that
Speaker 2: scene is astonishing. You're so so genuinely in it. And
Speaker 2: when he's selling Charlotte, he says, I just want to
Speaker 2: be for a while, and Charlotte has this look and says,
Speaker 2: you don't even want to try. I know, set And
Speaker 2: it's but it's too It's like League of Legends actors.
Speaker 1: Just Oh, I'm so glad because I think for me,
Speaker 1: what's hard about it is number one because at that
Speaker 1: point in life, I hadn't had a ton of experience
Speaker 1: someff that I have now necessarily, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: And I also feel like I couldn't go deep every
Speaker 1: single scene, right, And also these things are happening, so
Speaker 1: she's processing, right, But like because Kyle and I are
Speaker 1: not connected at that point, right, we're not because when
Speaker 1: we were connected, it was so fun to watch, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And now we're really not, Like
Speaker 1: you could tell he's the character is shut down, right,
Speaker 1: not the actor. But it's sad for me to watch it.
Speaker 1: I just feel sad. I feel sad and like disappointed,
Speaker 1: which I guess is how Charlotte feels. So I can't guess.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I can't completely separate myself and
Speaker 1: watch objectively. I still feel the feelings.
Speaker 2: Of which is a testament to the quality of the performance,
Speaker 2: the fact that it has this psychic resonance with you
Speaker 2: decades later.
Speaker 1: But don't you think that's just being an actor too?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, that's being a really good actor.
Speaker 2: That's being that's being that's that's being a top tier.
Speaker 1: That's so nice, that's so nice. But yeah, I just
Speaker 1: felt really it was like I was so sad. I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I just feel like disappointed, Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I did that. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's good enough. With all Charlotte type thoughts, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's sad. Though it's sad to watch, it's.
Speaker 2: Hard to watch.
Speaker 1: It's definitely she taking wants it so much.
Speaker 2: It took that for her to get to Harry so totally.
Speaker 1: And Miranda weird Miranda, and then and then and then
Speaker 1: we didn't even mention Samantha with Richard. Where's my Samantha page?
Speaker 1: Because Samantha's with Richard and they're on the plane, which
Speaker 1: I don't remember this at all, Right, is this? Yes?
Speaker 2: So Samantha her her first uh plot point in the
Speaker 2: episode is she has the meeting with Richard and oh
Speaker 2: that's funny seven minutes late, and well, it took me
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes to get through your labyrinth of the lobby.
Speaker 1: Right, and so he's such an ick.
Speaker 2: Oh he's disgusting in this My God, what's wrong with you? Women? Troubles?
Speaker 2: Like it's he's so bad.
Speaker 1: It's so like like you would never do that now,
Speaker 1: like if you did, that would be a total villain.
Speaker 2: Immediate villain, Yeah, immediate, it would be somehow that was
Speaker 2: that was like, I so kind of want to fuck
Speaker 2: him on his plane though.
Speaker 1: It's so funny, but also the way that he plays it,
Speaker 1: he does give it a like he plays against the
Speaker 1: shouting a bit, like he's doing the thing that's in
Speaker 1: the script, but he also got and then he very
Speaker 1: quickly like he's yelling at her because he's unhappy about
Speaker 1: this other hotel getting attention or something in the paper.
Speaker 1: And then she tells she's He's like, so, what are
Speaker 1: you going to do about it? And she's like, well
Speaker 1: I already did this and this and this, and he's like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2: Exactly because she is she's good at what she does,
Speaker 2: and that's that's nice. Exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: It's I know, it's such a good moment of like
Speaker 2: having this sort of like swinging dick competition and Samantha's
Speaker 2: not going to like step down, which is really interesting.
Speaker 1: And I hadn't remembered that about their relationship at all.
Speaker 1: I just remember that he was supposed to be some
Speaker 1: big deal or whatever, like.
Speaker 2: Like a hotel magnet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Schnobble or whatever. I don't know who are
Speaker 1: those ones Ea Schaeffer, you know what I mean, the
Speaker 1: totally yeah. Anyway, it's interesting. And then they're on the plane.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Like wow, I love it.
Speaker 4: Wow wow.
Speaker 1: And then and then Richard agrees that he likes sleeping
Speaker 1: around and whisking girls away on it. Oh that's how
Speaker 1: they end up on the plane. That was also interesting
Speaker 1: because he's like, I mean, I guess it's like she's
Speaker 1: tried to have her relationship with Maria, which obviously didn't
Speaker 1: go that well because Maria wanted to talk a lot
Speaker 1: and Maria I know, And now she's like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be with someone like me. Yeah, right, because
Speaker 1: part of the way he gets on the plane, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like to whisk girls off.
Speaker 2: And then she says that's what I'm saying, Like this
Speaker 2: they are both like monogamy, and I know that's what
Speaker 2: she loves.
Speaker 1: I know, which is interesting because right because at a
Speaker 1: certain point aren't they going to be monogamous.
Speaker 2: By the end of the next episode with the needle drop.
Speaker 2: It's the next episode. The episode opens with her talking
Speaker 2: long pink, It's delicious, and then it ends with them
Speaker 2: in the pool at dawn on the roof. Yes song
Speaker 2: comes in and it's just like.
Speaker 1: Got it okay, now it's now it's no, it's making sense,
Speaker 1: making sense. This is interesting, Okay. I mean the Richard
Speaker 1: storyline like pretty much not much memory. I remember the
Speaker 1: visual of the I think I went to that apartment
Speaker 1: because I think we had to read through there because
Speaker 1: we would have to do our read throughs at lunch,
Speaker 1: you know, because we had no time or whatever, and
Speaker 1: we would try to be at Silver Cup where we
Speaker 1: were filming our studio, because that the writers had a
Speaker 1: floor there. Yeah, and so we would go up there
Speaker 1: for lunch. But if we didn't, if we couldn't time
Speaker 1: it correctly for the next read through, because the writers
Speaker 1: need to hear the read through before they can do
Speaker 1: their adjustments and whatnot, then we would have to be
Speaker 1: on location for the read through. And I think we
Speaker 1: were there because I remember standing on that roof and
Speaker 1: it was really gorgeous.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Downtown. It was pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: When you get to that scene and I'm curious to hear.
Speaker 1: Okay, now it makes you feel because I'm excited.
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful and it's it's the first time in
Speaker 2: the series we get one of those songs coming in
Speaker 2: at the end, which is so cool.
Speaker 1: I wonder why we changed our you know, thoughts on
Speaker 1: the music or whatever.
Speaker 2: Why we it was beautiful though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it worked.
Speaker 2: Oh oh god, it works so Like Michelle brand if
Speaker 2: I just breathe at the end of the Trapeze episode,
Speaker 2: that one is perfect, like we done. No, no, it's coming.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I love that. I don't remember that. That
Speaker 1: one's so I mean every time on the West Side Highway,
Speaker 1: I'm like, there it is, yep, so great. Oh my god, Yes,
Speaker 1: we really do change it up. You know what I
Speaker 1: think it was. It was that we could finally afford it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, there has to be a budget, yeah,
Speaker 2: because those were big songs.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, And before that I think it was all original.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the original music.
Speaker 1: You do.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's good. I think at some point there was a
Speaker 1: CD which I thought was odd.
Speaker 2: No, it's iconic music, and it's so just that. The
Speaker 2: jazz running through this New York City show a heaven
Speaker 2: so true.
Speaker 1: Wait did we do enough of Miranda? Probably not.
Speaker 2: Oh Steve shows back up with the hand Me Down ring.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that are you Steve? I know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to marry you either, especially.
Speaker 1: Not right now. He goes, he's so great. And also like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so funny and crazy, and like,
Speaker 1: who thought of that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: It's really funny and good and so counter to the
Speaker 1: I think they thought, like, well, if we're going to
Speaker 1: have this beautiful proposal on the street in the night, right,
Speaker 1: we have to counterpoint to that, you know, So they're
Speaker 1: the counterpoint. But later they're not going to be Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but that takes a while, right, Yeah. Yeah, it's super interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know how we get from this point to
Speaker 1: where they're going.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so good, it's oh my god, it's it's that.
Speaker 2: That's when I'm That's what I'm saying. They're the most
Speaker 2: beautiful character arcs ever.
Speaker 1: I mean, they really worked hard at it and The
Speaker 1: funny thing is that in my mind I had not
Speaker 1: really been clear on how completely different the idea of
Speaker 1: each episode was in the beginning versus now, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I knew in my mind that at a certain point
Speaker 1: we really doubled down on the long term story arc, right,
Speaker 1: And that's what I love as a viewer, That's what
Speaker 1: I want to watch, right, And the fact that it
Speaker 1: wasn't in a soapy way. You know that we're having
Speaker 1: their relationship stories, but they're not soapy, right, So we're
Speaker 1: keeping the comedic element, but we're also kind of going
Speaker 1: to a drama element and mixing it up. I love
Speaker 1: that so much as a viewer.
Speaker 2: And that's what's also so satisfying is because you still
Speaker 2: get the element of sitcom. You're still seeing each of
Speaker 2: these four women deal with a certain iteration of something
Speaker 2: in their own lens, in their own lane and their
Speaker 2: own capacity, from their own perspective, and it's always still maintaining.
Speaker 1: That right right, right. I mean, I wouldn't describe it
Speaker 1: as sitcom, but I know what.
Speaker 3: You're saying, that element, you know what I mean, eving
Speaker 3: the connected kind of the idea of the show that
Speaker 3: we're turning over one theme with each character.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I wouldn't say sitcom because sitcom really
Speaker 1: means situational comedy, which used to be like the one
Speaker 1: set like the friend's coffee shop set, right when that
Speaker 1: meant for cameras and an audience, right, So we were
Speaker 1: never that. We were single camera and kind of like
Speaker 1: a little movie, even though we weren't, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And again that's why Sex and City changed everything, because
Speaker 2: you didn't really even know what to call it at
Speaker 2: the time, and didn't know what to call it really
Speaker 2: because it was comedy and it was right, but it
Speaker 2: also evolved into this beautiful drama that just has now
Speaker 2: spanned decades and so it's it's it's Shakespearean as it
Speaker 2: is comedic. I love it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Shakespeare has both, right, Yeah, it's good,
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Seven, I have one pressing question for you.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, I have I have put a lot of
Speaker 2: work okay preparing this. I had to discuss it with
Speaker 2: my boyfriend too length, because oh, he's a turbos stand
Speaker 2: like he listens to the podcast the second that.
Speaker 1: It drops so sweet.
Speaker 2: But he was like, he was like, you can't because
Speaker 2: I had like a zodiac answer with the rising moon
Speaker 2: and sun, and he was like, you can't say that.
Speaker 2: Chris like christ and likes it the most if you
Speaker 2: just pick one and stick with it. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so horrible.
Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: You can do whatever. I liked. I liked that challenge
Speaker 2: and his feedback I agreed with, ok.
Speaker 1: I still want you to ask a question, Simon, are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2: I am a Samanthamantha first, and let me tell you
Speaker 2: tell me having watched the show six trillion times there,
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, there's so much more to the show
Speaker 2: than sex. There's so much more to Samantha than sex,
Speaker 2: and there's so much and hearing hearing my partner say
Speaker 2: this to me, I was like, at first I was
Speaker 2: taken aback, and then it was like oh And the
Speaker 2: more we talked it out, the more I was like, Holy,
Speaker 2: you're right. There's a fierceness to Samantha's loyalty. Like there's
Speaker 2: a scene it's in season one, the Connecticut baby Shower.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, she stole my baby. Man, you bitch.
Speaker 2: Let's go into like like that's that's how I operate. Also,
Speaker 2: she is always it's not that she is always driven
Speaker 2: by a need to express her opinion. She's driven by
Speaker 2: this expectation that her opinion is valid, as is everybody
Speaker 2: else around her. And it's confusing to her. Why would
Speaker 2: you not share your opinion? Why are you not sharing
Speaker 2: your thoughts? And that's that also is like that's so me,
Speaker 2: Like that's like having to put my foot in my
Speaker 2: mouth at times, or just speaking a little too bluntly,
Speaker 2: like I would be the person at the coffee table
Speaker 2: to be like wrong ring, wrong man, but like to
Speaker 2: just say it, and there's and how else to describe it,
Speaker 2: Like it just an aversion to rules for the sake
Speaker 2: of rules. Samantha is ferociously existing on her own terms, definitely,
Speaker 2: and like refuses to abide by the status quo for
Speaker 2: the sake of the status quo. She will make decisions
Speaker 2: form her life, even even the tidbits that we get
Speaker 2: about her life. She has come from nothing and nowhere
Speaker 2: and has built something just because she believed that she could. Definitely,
Speaker 2: and the part of me too that has in past
Speaker 2: because my first answer when I was talking about this
Speaker 2: with my boyfriend was Charlotte and he was like, no,
Speaker 2: you're a Samantha. And my first thing that I cling
Speaker 2: to with my Charlotte answer is the eternal optimist. You know.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a cancer survivor. I had leukemia as
Speaker 2: a child wild and I was always just my sense
Speaker 2: of optimism is what allowed me to survive. I just
Speaker 2: had this belief in knowing that I was going to
Speaker 2: live and go on and do all of these things.
Speaker 2: And it's that's something that's always been a part of
Speaker 2: me with with Charlotte, and in having this conversation, I
Speaker 2: realized that that's something about Samantha as well. Yes, Samantha,
Speaker 2: there's you know, there's a line in season six where
Speaker 2: you know, Carrie is debating if she can be with
Speaker 2: the Russian because he already has a kid and he's
Speaker 2: had of a sectomy, and Samantha is the one who
Speaker 2: tells her, you know, well, what else is on the table?
Speaker 2: And that's a pretty fabulous life too. Like she also
Speaker 2: in a different sense, is she's always looking at from
Speaker 2: a positive perspective or how can what's to build positively here?
Speaker 2: What's the positive past forward or positive path forward? And
Speaker 2: it's so it's it's interesting, there is this sense of optimism,
Speaker 2: and I just aligned. I align with that.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: Now, just out of curiosity. If you were going to
Speaker 1: answer it with an astrology type of an answer, what
Speaker 1: were you going to say?
Speaker 2: So my answer for that, and I love yours, so
Speaker 2: you want to know that answer my I was going
Speaker 2: to say that my son's sign is a Charlotte, my
Speaker 2: rising is a Carrie and a Samantha Moon cool.
Speaker 1: So your interior would be Samantha.
Speaker 2: I like that emotional, like the the you know, sense
Speaker 2: of emotion that's really good through the.
Speaker 1: No Miranda, No Miranda, No, no Miranda, She's.
Speaker 2: Just not in my chart.
Speaker 1: I guess it's no. You don't seem right.
Speaker 2: I love Miranda, she doesn't love She's just not in
Speaker 2: my I love it. That's not my girl's birth chart.
Speaker 1: Love it, love it. Well, this is what I want
Speaker 1: to say. You are such a joy, but also such
Speaker 1: an encyclopedia of knowledge about our show. Oh my God,
Speaker 1: can quote lines from all the seasons, every episode, whenever appropriate.
Speaker 1: It's incredible.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just it's it's so hard to accurately convey
Speaker 2: to you how much part of my life it's been.
Speaker 2: It's just it doesn't even make sense and even thinking
Speaker 2: about it, like I it's it's every day when I if I,
Speaker 2: if I'm leaving the house, Sex and the City is
Speaker 2: what my dogs watch. Like it's that's what like turning
Speaker 2: on noise for the dogs while they leave. It's just
Speaker 2: you know, like they watch Sex and the City. And
Speaker 2: so when I get and inevitably, like I finish out
Speaker 2: the episode playing, I'll come home, you know, from whatever
Speaker 2: it is that I've been doing, and I watch the
Speaker 2: next episode. And that's in addition to my you know,
Speaker 2: constant series rewatches, and you know, you go through so
Speaker 2: many years of that and all of a sudden it's like, well,
Speaker 2: I was watching it on repeat as a child. I
Speaker 2: was watching it on repeat in high school, Like this
Speaker 2: was my comfort when I moved by myself out into
Speaker 2: the world, like from Oklahoma to LA Like that was
Speaker 2: like that was my comfort, my sense of home, my
Speaker 2: sense of you know, inspiration to go do and be something.
Speaker 1: Right and interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just always been the touch point, the comfort,
Speaker 2: like a sense of warmth and safety with these characters.
Speaker 1: I do feel I was telling Sarah Jessica when she
Speaker 1: was on I do feel more like I of course
Speaker 1: experienced you know, the filming of it, right, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they are my friends, and I do feel this like
Speaker 1: intense connection and it was hard to be objective about
Speaker 1: how the fans perceived it. But rewatching and then kind
Speaker 1: of experiencing it anew when I'm away from it, like
Speaker 1: I went traveling a bit. I didn't didn't film the podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so didn't watch it for a couple of weeks back
Speaker 1: turned it back on. You do feel a warmth, like
Speaker 1: you feel like a physical thing when you're watching it.
Speaker 2: It's a cashmere blanket kind of amazing. It is. It's
Speaker 2: so comforting.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've gotten a little insight into what
Speaker 1: it's like to just be a fan in a way
Speaker 1: that I'm very thankful for. It's really really fascinating.
Speaker 2: It's deeply magical that you guys mad magic, yeahk you,
Speaker 2: And it's so lucky and it's changed the world. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can invite me on it all you want, but
Speaker 2: it is true. I'm telling you. It's it's it's the
Speaker 2: show that changed everything. It's the show that changed everything.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Simon Curtis, thank you so much. Excellent, excellent.
Speaker 2: Guess it's been the honor, privilege, and pleasure of my life.
Speaker 1: You're just a joy in every way. Thank you, so
Speaker 1: so smart and thoughtful and so many insights. Thank you,
Speaker 1: and all of my listeners who are hardcore fans are
Speaker 1: going to appreciate that M.