1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Pushkin. For me growing up, it was oh, oh, oh, 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: it's the time join the morning show because you know, 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: my mom was a school teacher, so we was up early, early, 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: so I was listening to the time join them. And 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: then you know, Z ninety three played such a big 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: role in my life because you know, their original morning 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: show that I remember was The Breakfast Club, Baby Jay 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: and Tessa Tessa Spencer. My guest today is someone I've 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: wanted to interview for a long time because of what 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: he's meant over the last decade to the culture, black culture, 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: hip hop culture, internet culture, youth culture, all the cultures, 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: you name it. But if I'm being completely honest, the 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: real reason I wanted to sit down and talk to 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: Charlotte Magine the God is to see if some of 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: his confidence can run off on me. Most of my career, 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: I've been terrified to bring my self to work out 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: of fear of rejection or fear that I wouldn't be enough. 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm working through it with my therapist. 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: But what I admire about Charlemagne is that he seems 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: to not care at all about being rejected by his peers, 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: his co workers, his audience, anyone, and that confidence has 22 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: led to some of the most impactful and sometimes controversial 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: interviews over the last decade. As co host of one 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: of the most popular radio shows of all time, The 25 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club, Charlemagne made time to sit down with me 26 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: in New York City to discuss all of this, plus 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: his upbringing, parenting, and the criticisms that have come with 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: his success and more. This has started from the bottom, 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: hard earned success stories from people like us. First time 30 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: I ever saw you was it was you on the 31 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: Wendy Williams radio show going toe to toe with Andrew 32 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: Dice Club. Yeah. Yeah, that was like two seven. Yeah. 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: It was one of the most amazing things ever. And 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: even though you kind of got uh, I don't know, 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: I feel like Andrew kind of put it on you 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: that day. It was the way they edited it too, 37 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: But it was like, yeah, I had some I had 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: some good ones, but they didn't put all of them, 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: and they put the one about me calling them a 40 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: fat fanzie. But that's right. Looking back, you actually did 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: a lot better than I remember. At the time, I 42 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: was a dang like Andrew still got it. I remember 43 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: been like, oh man, but then I kind of put 44 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: you on my radar, and then I remember when the 45 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club came, I was like, oh, makes sense, like 46 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: this guy clearly clearly had it. But yeah, I want 47 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: to run through your radio trajectory. But first I thought 48 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: it'd be good to start with growing up in Monk's Corner, 49 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: South Carolina. Um, it's interesting, right, because you know, I've 50 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: been thinking about that a lot more lately, only because, 51 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: like you know, when I'm in therapy, I'm doing like 52 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: a lot of um in a child work, you know, 53 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of the issues that 54 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: you deal with as an adult, most of them directly 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: connected something that happened in your childhood. And so I've 56 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: been thinking about, like what was that upbringing, like growing 57 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: up in Monst Corner, South Carolina, and the word I've 58 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: come to realize that it is associated with that that upbringing. 59 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: It's simple. You know, Monst Corner when I was young 60 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: created a sense of ease in my life that I 61 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: feel like really helped me growing up because I didn't 62 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: move too fast and I didn't move too slow. That 63 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: still is a big, big part of me. So when like, 64 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, that anxiety that I've been feeling my whole life, 65 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: sets and I feel like, Okay, I might be moving 66 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: too fast, but then I don't want to move too slow. 67 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: But then it's just a certain ease, like like baby 68 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: Bears part just just it's a just right level of 69 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: ease that growing up in Monst Corner gave me that 70 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: I tend to tap into whenever, like things get really hectic. 71 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: You mentioned some of the anxiety that you have. When 72 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: did that start? Really, Yeah, as long as I know. 73 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: I mean, the first panic attack I remember having was 74 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: first grade, my mom dropping me off, Like I can 75 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: feel it right now, my mom dropping me off first grade, 76 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: first day of first grade, and like I just cried uncontrollably, 77 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: like like I just felt like abandoned, lost and just 78 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: scared like that that that same, you know, unexplainable feeling 79 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: of fear and panic and worry. And I think my 80 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: mom even says that I might have cried for like 81 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: the first week. I don't remember the first week. I 82 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: remember that one particular day, but it's like, yeah, that's 83 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: the first time I remember ever having like a panic attack, 84 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: and I had him throughout my life, like I've been 85 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: going to the emergency room thinking that I'm having a 86 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: heart attack. You know, thinking that I'm dying, you know, 87 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: and then you get there and the doctor's like, oh, 88 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: did you have an energy drink today? And you're like, 89 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: I did drink a red Bull earlier, and it's like, oh, 90 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: that's probably why your heart is doing that. That's the 91 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: worst feeling, you know. So it wasn't until twenty ten 92 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: that a doctor actually said to me, sounds like you 93 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: have anxiety. He was literally was like, it sounds like 94 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: you had a panic attack the things that you're describing. 95 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: And he was like, has this happened to you before? 96 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: And I'm like all the time, And you know, he 97 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: asked me what I stretched out about anything, and I'm like, 98 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: hell yeah, Because at the time, I had just been 99 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: fired for the fourth time from radio, and I'm back 100 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: living at home with my mom at like thirty one, 101 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: thirty two years old. My daughter's like one or two. 102 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: My wife is back living at home with her parents, 103 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, in mom's corner. So it's 104 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: like I was super stressed out collecting unemployment checks every week. 105 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: So in my mind, all I had to do was 106 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: get back in position and get me another job and 107 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: all of that would go away. And that wasn't the case. 108 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: You know. I ended up getting the breakfast club gig 109 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: and having the most success I've ever had in my life, 110 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: and it felt like all of those issues I had 111 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: historically dealt with were magnified times a hundred now. Yeah, 112 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, And so that's when I decided to like 113 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: finally go get some help and like go to therapy. 114 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: What do you think do you see that? Do you 115 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: see that same anxiety in your kids? Yeah, I haven't. 116 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it show up as bad as mine 117 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: was when I was at age. And I think the 118 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: beauty of life now is not only do I have 119 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: the language, I have the experience. So it's just like that, 120 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: and I wish that, you know, somebody had put me 121 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: in therapy when I was thirteen fourteen now me, I 122 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: definitely needed it because I was getting sexually abused at 123 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: eight years old. I didn't realize that at the time. 124 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that was molestia until I was twenty 125 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: something years old. You know, at the time, I just 126 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: thought I was eight year old kid. The neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, 127 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: we we would all were a bunch of young men. 128 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: We all be around having conversations about older women that 129 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: we were messing with, you know, in the neighborhood, Like 130 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: we all thought we were lying, but clearly we always 131 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: like telling the truth in different ways. Right, So, Um, 132 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: when I was fourteen, I definitely needed to unpack some 133 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: of that. Do you think you would have had it 134 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: at that age? Do you think the trajectory would have 135 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: been the same, Like you think you would have been 136 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: ended up in the streets the way you did? Probably not? 137 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: And the reason probably not, just because you know, even 138 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: with the screetch, Right, it's like a lot of that is, Um, 139 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: you trauma bond with people, yeah, because it's all a 140 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: bunch of individuals that are missing something, and like we 141 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: all want camaraderie, we all want family, we all want 142 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: a crew. And it's just sometimes men, we trauma bond 143 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: over bullshit, you know. So we trauma bond sometimes over crime, 144 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, we trauma bond over drugs, We trauma bond 145 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: over alcohol, you know. But most of the time it's like, yeah, 146 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: we're all trauma bonding to do the wrong thing, Like 147 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like let's go rob this 148 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: you know individual, or go rob this store or break 149 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: into this house, and let's go you know, figure out 150 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: a way to get some a pack the hustle. But 151 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: it's like what we're all lacking is like together this 152 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: like everybody, we're all tribal, and we all long for family, 153 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: right And I think that's what that's what a lot 154 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: of guys do when they when they click up in 155 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: that way. So I think for me, I definitely was 156 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: longing for like some type of family structure. Even though 157 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: I grew up in a house with an older sister, 158 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: two younger brothers, and a younger sister. I was the 159 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: second oldest. My oldest sisters like ten twelve years older 160 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: than me, and my younger siblings are like ten twelve 161 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: years younger than me, So I was kind of I 162 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: didn't have on an island, yeah exactly. So I ended 163 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: up kicking it with brothers and who are around my age, 164 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: and we all ended up doing a bunch of dirt. 165 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: And I don't even like to call it pear pressure 166 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: because I don't believe there's anything. I don't believe peer 167 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: pressure exists. I believe we all just want to be accepted, 168 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I think that when 169 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: somebody pushes you to do something, you do it because 170 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: you don't want to let them down. So it's a 171 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: lot of people pleasing that goals and the age, especially 172 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: at that age man. And it stays with you though, 173 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: That people pleasing stays with you, Like that's something that 174 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: I had to unpacking therapy, like stop being a people pleaser, like, 175 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: you know, because sometimes you'll be a people pleased to 176 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: your own detriment. Yeah, you know, I can't believe anyone's 177 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: ever accused you be the people pleasing man. No, I 178 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: think that a lot of that. Man. That's because you 179 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: seem you have strong opinions, not scared of voice even 180 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: if it alienates you. Yeah, well, no, you're right, I've 181 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: always been that way. Um, But no, there's there's been 182 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: plenty of times in my life where I just wanted 183 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: to be down. Literally, I just wanted to be down. 184 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to be accepted. I wanted to be embraced, 185 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: And you know, I can think about you know that time, 186 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: at that moment, like I just wanted to be embraced 187 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: by you know, my peers. You know. So that's why 188 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: I started doing what a lot of my PIDs was doing, 189 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: which was a lot of bullshit. You know what I mean, 190 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: because I wanted to be accepted some of that early stuff. 191 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: A couple of couple of drug cases. U. The last 192 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: one was you were around the shooting the first one. 193 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: The first one. The first one, I was in the 194 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: backseat of a car and my homeboy was in the 195 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: front seat. Somebody was driving, and we was in this 196 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: neighborhood like like like a two neighborhoods over from where 197 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: we are in Mongst Corner, two towns over rather from 198 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: where we are in Monst Corner. And we were just having, 199 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, some conversations with some young ladies. Then some 200 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: guys in the neighborhood didn't like that we would there. 201 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm on my fake tough guys ship, 202 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: my fake hardcore shit, so I'm acting like doughboy and 203 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: boys in the hood. I got my hand under my 204 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: shirt was up up yo, sup, because like the fuck 205 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: that means like what's up a problem? You know what 206 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: I mean? And they, you know, drove off. Then we 207 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: went to like I think it was Burger King McDonald's. 208 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: I remember, I think it was Burger King. So he 209 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: went to Burger King. As we're leaving, I see the 210 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: truck that those guys were in pulling up behind us, 211 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: and I say, I say tell him. I dude like, oh, 212 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: that some guys from the neighborhood. And so they pulled 213 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: up on the side of us. So I'm in the 214 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: back seat of the car, dudes talking shit out the window. 215 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: One of my guys pulled out and shot from the 216 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: passenging seat, and you know, luckily nobody was in the 217 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: fourth seat, so it was the driver passenger, and then 218 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: somebody was sitting behind the driver with the bullet hit 219 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: the headrest in the fourth seat behind the passenger seat, 220 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, all praises do to 221 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: God because you know, that could have been a situation 222 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: where somebody got killed. Now were all in jail for 223 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: twenty thirty years, you know what I mean. So so 224 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: even now when I think about stuff like that, I'm like, oh, yeah, 225 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, because I'm a big back to the future guy. 226 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: You know, you watch those those time heist movies. People 227 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: go back and little things change here and there and 228 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: change the whole trajectory of everything. And so yeah, that 229 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: was the first time I ever got arrested. Did it 230 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: change your relationship with your parents? It didn't change my 231 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: relationship with my parents. That actually made me realize my 232 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: dad was right, because my dad was always telling me 233 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: if I don't change my lifestyle, I'm gonna end up 234 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: in jail, dad, or broke sitting under the tree, you know. 235 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: So when I came home, I really was just looking 236 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: for positive things to do. Like, you know, I started 237 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: working at a warehouse called Industrial Acoustics Company, and you know, 238 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: from that point on, I wanted to keep a job. 239 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: But I worked there for like two to three weeks, 240 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: got fired from there, you know, to supervisor and never 241 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: forget her name, her name was Gail cop Supervisor was like, like, 242 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: you don't fit in here. You're not what we're looking 243 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: for now, mind you up. My job was literally like 244 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: I was clearing out an area, like a wooded area. 245 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh god, damn, I'm not fit to 246 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: clean out a wooded area, you know. But she was like, 247 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: you don't fit in here. So then I started working 248 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: out of Flower Garden just because I was looking to do, 249 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, something positive. And the flower Garden literally, and 250 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: now that I think back on it, it was literally 251 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,599 Speaker 1: a bunch of like migrants working there, Like you know 252 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: what I mean, It was clearly a bunch of people 253 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: who you know, weren't from this country, who were just 254 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: looking for work. Now now looking back on it, that's 255 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: what it was. It was literally just a bunch of 256 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: like Mexicans and you know, who knows what else, like 257 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: just working there, right, And so I was there for 258 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: like two weeks to His name was Dominique, the same thing. 259 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: Me and him got into a shouting match because I 260 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,359 Speaker 1: was just like it, shit feels like it was a plantation. 261 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: It literally was a flower garden. It was actually called 262 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: the Yeah, it was called just something playing taition flower garden. 263 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: But it literally was just we were out there in 264 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: the hot sun picking flowers and you know, other types 265 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: of shit. So I quit that and then that's when 266 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: I started like flirting with the screet you know what 267 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: I mean. That's when it was like, man, I gotta 268 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: figure out some ways to make money because you know, 269 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: I still got to pay my probation officer and shit 270 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: like that. And it was just a stupid mentality, right, 271 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: because when you're on probation, you got to keep a job. 272 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: That's number one, and you got to pay your probation fees. 273 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: So I started just saying that I was working with 274 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: my dad and I was doing tempt services but also 275 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: had got a fifty dollars slab. Fifty dollars slabs when 276 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: you're getting fifty dollars worth of rock, and you know, 277 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: I think you posted be like I think its supposed 278 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: to be one hundred dollars off each gram. So I 279 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: think a slab was one gram that you paid fifty 280 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: dollars for and you cut it up and you posted 281 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: it cuts up into like one hundred dollars worth a rock. 282 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: So that was the first time I liked dabbled in like, yeah, hustling. 283 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, did I left my Did I feel like, well, 284 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: how to my relationship my parents changed? Yeah? I thought 285 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: they were right, but I still was young and had 286 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: to figure things out for myself, which led me, which 287 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: led me back, which led me into actually hustling. You know. 288 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: After the break, Charlotte Magne's gonna take us on a 289 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: ride through his earliest experiences with radio and how that 290 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: helped build his foundation in the business. When did radio 291 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: enter your life, like, not only not as a career, 292 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: as a listener, Like, what's your earliest experiences with radio? 293 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: Like forever forever? And the reason I say forever because 294 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: like when I said, small town monks going to South Carolina. 295 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: So the radio station was Z ninety three Jams. We 296 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: were always around the radio. If it wasn't Z ninety 297 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: three Jams, it was another station called wpa L one 298 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: hundred point nine, and one hundred point nine was like 299 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: more underground with it, so they were playing like underground stuff, 300 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: not the mainscreen stuff. And like you know, there was 301 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: always like bone boxes around like my cousin and you know, 302 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: my cousin tis to my cousin Tye. He was the 303 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: first person let me hear like a real hip hop record. 304 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: Like prior to that, my sister had her radio in 305 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: her room. So my sister was listening to like Kidn't 306 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: Play and Salt and Pepper, you know what I mean, 307 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: stuff like that Hammer all the pop stuff, you know 308 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: what I mean. But my cousin let me hear Eric 309 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: B and Rock Kemp paid in full. Wow, and that 310 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: changed everything. Wow. That was like I don't know what 311 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: this thing is called hip hop, but I love it. 312 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: It felt like rock Kim was saying stuff like he 313 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: was telling stories, like you know what I mean. Yeah, 314 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: just just that is what introduced me to radio and 315 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: always wanting to be around a radio. It felt like 316 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: we might even have been around radio more than TV. 317 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: You know, back in the day TV it was certain 318 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: shows we were watching, but we weren't just turning the 319 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: TV on and keeping it on all day. If it 320 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: wasn't like Nintendo or you know the radio. Man, we 321 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: were outside, yeah, like you know what I mean, running around, 322 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: playing around. So it's like, for me, radio has always 323 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: been in my life as a listener, like who are 324 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: the personalities are? Because like I know, like in LA 325 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: and later I came to us, it was like syndicated, 326 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: but you know, in LA always felt like it was 327 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: like Big Boy was like was huge, you know, and 328 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: I felt like our guy. For me growing up, it 329 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: was oh, oh oh, it's the time Join Them morning 330 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: show because you know, my mom was a school teacher, 331 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: so we was up early early, so I was listening 332 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: to the time Join Them. And then you know, ZE 333 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: ninety three played such a big role in my life 334 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: because you know, their original morning show that I remember 335 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: was the Breakfast Club Baby Jay and Tessa Tessa Spencer, 336 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: and then you know, in the afternoons, it was like, 337 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: um a man, y'all need a rude boy. But then 338 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: it was like you know the night shows, the Top 339 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: nine at nine, you know, you want to call in 340 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: and request the song and hear your voice on the radio, 341 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: shout out your school whatever whatever. But yeah, those were 342 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: the people like growing up like Sean, people like Sean Dobe, Like, 343 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: those are the personalities that I would hear. Reggie c 344 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: You'd hear these people and they were just like regular 345 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: voices that you would hear all the time. Ken Moore 346 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: like I don't even know if Kim was Ki on Z. 347 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if Ki was one. I just did 348 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: the voices I remember. Yeah, you know, growing up like 349 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: those voices, those local radio voices. Are you growing up 350 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: a famous as anyone in the country. Absolutely? Do you 351 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: remember your first time on the radio. I don't remember 352 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: the very first time, but it definitely one of the 353 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: first times was my man Willy Will. There was a 354 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: guy named Willie Will. He was the night jock there 355 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: at the ninety three jams in Charleston, South Carolina. Me 356 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: and him used to wrap together. I met him at 357 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of recording studios that were in Charleston. 358 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: When I got my internship up there. I would always 359 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: just be up there and I'd be sitting in on 360 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: his show, and you know, he would definitely, you know, 361 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: call me to the microphone, you know, and I'd be 362 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: on the mike talking. So definitely my first time on air, 363 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure was with Willie will And in some way, 364 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: shape or form, because I remember wanted to remember the 365 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: program director telling him like, you know, you need to 366 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: get a cardboard cut out of Charlemagne and put it 367 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: in the studio because your energy goes up, you know 368 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: when he's in here, you know, with you. I remember 369 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: I remember him saying that to him, and yeah, which 370 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: which probably ultimately led to me being on air because 371 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: my man Ron White, you know spootha Ron White. Me 372 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: and Ron still talked to this day. Round. Was like 373 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: he just asked me one day, like, Yo, do you 374 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: want to be on the radio? And I'm like, sure, 375 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: why not? And so they started putting me on Sundays 376 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: eleven am to three pm. When you say sure, like, 377 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: was there a part of you that had was that 378 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: just you playing the cool or were you really not 379 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: even sure you wanted to be on the radio like that? Yeah? 380 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: I never had thought about it, you know what I mean. 381 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: I just was really happy to be working at Z 382 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: ninety three Jams because it was like the most corporate 383 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: thing I had ever done. Yeah, you know, it was. 384 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: It was the place. It was a place where, like 385 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: in South Carolina, people saw you at ninety three, They're like, oh, 386 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: he must be he must be doing something, you know 387 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he must be doing something with 388 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: his with his life, you know what I mean. And 389 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: for me being like a guy who was in and 390 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: out of jail at the time and was getting in 391 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: a lot of trouble and graduated from high school in 392 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: night school, had gotten kicked out of two high schools. 393 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: Like for me, that was a big deal for me 394 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: to be like pulling up in a most corner driving 395 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: this station vehicle like the big white band with the 396 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: Z ninety three Jams on the logo, you know what 397 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: I mean, pulling it down my dr road, you know 398 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: what I mean, hoping that some of the girls that 399 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: lived on my road saw me, you know what I mean. 400 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: Like that was a big deal for me back then. 401 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, just to be there felt like you did, ye, Yeah, 402 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: I just was just happy to be there. Like so 403 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: when he asked me to be on air, like hell, yeah, yeah, 404 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: whatever's gonna keep me here yea. And of course when 405 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: you think radio, you think on air personalities. You're not 406 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: thinking promotions or programming or anything like that. So hell yeah, 407 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: I'd love to be on it. Now I can really 408 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: say I work here and now I'm a personality, and 409 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: um yeah, I really loved it and appreciate it. How 410 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: was that first show that you had? I was scaring 411 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: all the church folks because it was what they had 412 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: me do. They had me do something called voice track. 413 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: And when your voice track is when you record your voice, 414 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: and you got to record your voice, and you know, 415 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: it's like it's a time slot from like eleven to three, 416 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: so you're talking like three four times an hour, introducing songs, 417 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: time temperature and stuff like that. So I didn't know 418 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: how to do radio, you know, I really didn't. So 419 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: I was just going in there talking like yeah I was. 420 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: I was actually screaming. When I go back and listen 421 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: to my old voice tapes, I was screaming. And it's 422 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: funny because they all were telling me I was screaming, 423 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: like I'm not screaming. I was just old you, I 424 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: don't understand how we talk about I was really yelling 425 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: like nine three jams are being hip hop. Go my 426 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: go boy. The name is Charlemagney. God. I was yelling, 427 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: like screaming at people, and so like, you know, when 428 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: I finally started listening to the people who actually do 429 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: this for a living, I started to acquire a more 430 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: conversational tone. You know when in the beginning, I was 431 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: just yelling, like yelling, like literally yelling at people on 432 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: the radio, and that's what I was doing. And I 433 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: did that. I think I might have voice tracked a 434 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: few Sundays, and then Ron was like, all right, enough 435 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 1: of that. You're gonna have your voice track on Saturday 436 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: nights now seven to ten, and then you're gonna go 437 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: live from ten to midnight. And I was everything because 438 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: it's Saturday nights so I can have this high energy. 439 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: But then when we go live or I could take 440 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: phone calls. Now it's like I'm taking phone calls and 441 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: I'm working with people when they're calling then making jokes 442 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: blah blah. So it's just like for me, the best 443 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: thing that ever happened to me was I didn't know 444 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: how to do radio. Nobody taught me how to do radio. 445 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: I wasn't a person who came from, you know, doing 446 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: college radio, or nowadays you can have a podcast or 447 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: a YouTube page. I was just fresh off the dirt 448 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: road in Monks Corner, South Carolina, getting on the air 449 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: in Austin, South Carolina on the biggest radio station at 450 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: the time, Z ninety three, and that rawdness showed. I 451 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: sounded different than everybody else because I didn't have that announcer, 452 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: you know, background. So it worked for me. Yeah, you 453 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: didn't have the announcer broadcast, yeah or whatever. I was 454 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: just coming at it with your own angles. What was 455 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: your journey after that? After zm SO, I worked as 456 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: an intern in ninety eight, started there in ninety nine 457 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: from the promotions department to um being on there, and 458 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: then a news station came into market, Hot ninety eight nine, 459 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: much smaller station ran by a guy named my Man. 460 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: George Cook was the program director. I was doing part 461 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: time at z SO. I had some conversations with Hot 462 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: ninety eight nine. They wanted me to come over there 463 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: and do nights. They wanted me to do Monday through Saturday, 464 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: seven to midnight full time, and I was I think 465 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: the pay was like nineteen grand a year, and at 466 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: the time. That was a lot of money, and it 467 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: was a dollary. So just to be able to say, 468 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: first time on salary that I didn't go to college, 469 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I graduated from night school 470 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: and like, so I didn't just oh I got a salary. Now, yeah, 471 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be making nineteen grand a year. 472 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: Like that sounded like some shit, And so yeah, I 473 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: started working there every night and it wasn't even about 474 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: to check. It was about the opportunity to be on 475 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: every night. And my man, George Cookman, who's still a 476 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: great mentor to me to this day. He actually George 477 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: is not only the first person to give me a 478 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: full time position on radio. He told me some information 479 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: that just changed my whole life. And the information was, 480 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: I want you to have a morning show at night. 481 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: I want you to treat this night show that you 482 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: have like a morning show at night. Parody songs and 483 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: a lot of sketches and a lot of topics and 484 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: a lot of interaction with listeners via the phone and 485 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: you know, playing new music and all of that benefited 486 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: me so well in the future because that's what I 487 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: ultimately treated every single show like I treated every single 488 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: show like it was a morning show. So no matter where, 489 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: I went from High ninety eighty nine to the big 490 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: DM in Columbia, and then it was Hot one of 491 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: three nine in Columbia, then it was Wendy Williams show, 492 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: then it was my own morning show in Philly. By 493 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: the time I got to my own morning show in Philly, 494 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: I had approached every single one of those situations like 495 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: it was a morning show. So by the time I 496 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: was ready to do my own morning show, I was overprepared. Yeah, 497 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: you know. So it was he planned to seed early 498 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: on that basically stuck with me throughout my whole career 499 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: and ultimately led to me being the morning guy I am. 500 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: Now let me come back. You'll get a chance to 501 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: hear what Charlemagne learned from the legendary radio host Wendy 502 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: Williams and lessons he had to teach himself to achieve success. 503 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: Tell me about meeting Wendy Williams, man Man, I met 504 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: Wendy because I was doing radio in Columbia, South Carolina. 505 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: Columbia had a really dope station called Hot one with 506 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: three nine. So Hot one with three nine started syndicating 507 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: Wendy Williams in the afternoons, and so Wendy and her 508 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: husband would come down for station visits, like they would 509 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: come down to like see the market and stuff like that, 510 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: and so I just would break bread, you know. And 511 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: I remember the first time I even tried to break 512 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: bread with Wendy. Wendy was in the studio trying to 513 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: do her show, which I totally understand, now, you know 514 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: what I mean. But I came in there with mixed 515 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: tapes and parody songs, all of this stuff I wanted 516 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: her to hear and while she was doing her show, yeah, 517 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: I mean, but she was in between breaks, you know 518 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: what I mean. But now, when I under now understanding 519 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 1: the hecticness of a syndicated show, it wasn't like breaks 520 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: like us. But we break for twenty minutes, thirty minutes 521 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: and got time to bullshit. She's on like on on 522 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: on on, Like it might have only been like three 523 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: minutes in between songs. Wendy goes, look, yo, yo, take 524 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: that mixtape shit out of here. I'm trying to do 525 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: my fucking show. Take that mixtape shit to my husband. 526 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: I didn't feel offended by that. Yeah, I was just like, 527 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: where's your husband? She's like, I think if he's in 528 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: that fucking room somewhere, like in the conference room across 529 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: the hall. Cool. So I went across the room, gave 530 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: him the mixtape, started pitching ship to him, you know, 531 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: pitching shit to him. And then we started talking and 532 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: we you know, kept in contact from there, you know, 533 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: and I used to like give them the heads up 534 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: on things that were going on at the station. So 535 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: he invited me to come up to New York for 536 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: a party. He was like, yeah, want you to come 537 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: up to New York. We're having a party, blah blah. 538 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: And I'm like all right. I went to the party 539 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: just to kick it. And in the party, Wendy was like, 540 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: oh shit, Charlemagne, Yo, wan't you come to my show? 541 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: How long are you in town? Like, oh, just a 542 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: couple of days. Come to my show tomorrow, Like come 543 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: to your show tomorrow. Can't tell me shit like that. 544 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going to be like, yo, all right, 545 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: the who do I call? What do I do? And 546 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: so I'm hitting keV like yo, keV. Whendy said, come 547 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: to our show. He was like all right, I bet 548 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: So he just told me that he told me to 549 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: go up there, went up there, sat in the pink 550 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: room to paint the office for a while. Then she 551 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: invited me on the show and I was there for 552 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: like twenty five minutes, and literally that evening they were 553 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: offering me the position as her co host sidekick, and 554 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: they was like, look, we can't pay you, but we 555 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: can give you a place to stay. And I'm just like, 556 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,239 Speaker 1: all right, just let me go back down South and like, 557 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: you know, figure some things out, like just you know, 558 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: let my girl know what I'm about to do and 559 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: everything else. And that's what I did. You knew the opportunity, yo. Man, 560 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: you gotta recognize the opportunity even when it's not a 561 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: paycheck attached to it. So my mindset was never I 562 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: never I never once was like how much I'm gonna 563 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: get paid. It was like, we cannot pay you, but 564 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: we can give you a place to stay. I'm out 565 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: the opportunity to be on Wendy Williams Show Monday through 566 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: Friday in the afternoon, nationally syndicated show. What are some 567 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: lessons you learned on the Wonder william Show? That Wendy's 568 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: a legend no matter how you feel about her, matter 569 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: how you feel about her, bona Fire legend, one of 570 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: the most talented people, one of the most talented media 571 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: personalities of all time. You know, one of the people 572 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: few people who can like literally sit down in front 573 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: of a TV camera and just go. Yeah, person who 574 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: could just sit down in front of a microphone and 575 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: just go. And you realize the reason she's able to 576 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: do that is Number one, she does have just the 577 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: natural gift to gab. But one of the lessons I 578 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: learned that everything is showprep. Like a lot of times, 579 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, we would think that 580 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: show prep is like just picking up the latest magazine 581 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: or picking up the latest tabloid and just downloading what's 582 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: in there. Wendy taught me that your whole life is showprep. 583 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: Every single experience that you go through can be brought 584 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: to the radio. You know, every single experience that you 585 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: go through can be bought, you know, the television. I 586 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: would watch her, I'd be out with her during the day, 587 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: watch these things happen to her, and then watch her 588 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: get on the rad and talk about these things like, oh, 589 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: I was there, and of course he's making me part 590 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: of the story because and Charlemagne said this. Charlemagne was 591 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: right there and Charlemagne acted like he didn't see it 592 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: and it isn't that like, and I'm like, god, damn, 593 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: she's incredible, you know what I mean, Like he's just 594 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: an incredible storyteller. So you know, um, she taught me 595 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: how to tell stories via radio, even though I was 596 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: already doing it, but I was doing it more so 597 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: through sketches. But now just to make your life a story, 598 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: to make the things that happened to you throughout the 599 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: day a story. That was like one of the biggest things, 600 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: like everything is show prep. And the other thing was 601 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: like you're either gonna be of the people or of 602 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: the industry, because when you're of the people, you're always 603 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: going to speak like for the people and you're gonna 604 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: speak how the people speak. When you're of the industry, 605 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: like you're gonna try to protect relationships and you're gonna 606 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: try to you know, protect people. You know, so you're 607 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: not gonna have those opinions that you that you probably 608 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: once had that was good advice at the time. I 609 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: think that there's an adjustment to be made in that 610 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: rhetoric because it's gonna come a time where like you're 611 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: going to be industry. Yeah, you get too big. Yeah, 612 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: and everybody around you is gonna be industry too. I've 613 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: been in the game for twenty five years. So not 614 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: only have I grown as a personality and a businessman, 615 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: a media just everything right, people around me have to Now. 616 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: I got people who run record labels. I got people 617 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: who are in rs. I got people who work at 618 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: these social media platforms, you know what I mean. I 619 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: got friends that are artists and big celebrities. We all 620 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: I've been doing it for twenty five years. We all 621 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: came up together. And not only just the people I 622 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: came up with, those next generations of people that now 623 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm in position. But oh, I see this person coming. 624 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: Let me embrace this in the VILDI embrace that individdle school. 625 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: We're all industry, you know what I mean. So your 626 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: authentic self has to change. It's like reasonable doubt was 627 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: authentic for jay Z or for its authentic for jay 628 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: Z today. What you just said hit it on the 629 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: head because people don't pay attention to that. Like you 630 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: saw me when I was one version of myself. If 631 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: I had stayed that version and never grown into anything else, 632 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: it's no way I'm being authentic. Yeah, Muhammad at last said, 633 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: the person who's doing the same thing at fifty that 634 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: he was at twenty wasted thirty years of his fucking 635 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: I ain't I believe that, you know what I mean. 636 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: It's just like you're I'm never going to be that 637 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: version again. But the only thing I could do is 638 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: be the best version of my authentic self, whatever that 639 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: may be, whatever I grow into, you know, And like 640 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: that's why me at forty four, you god damn right, 641 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm not the same way I was at thirty one. 642 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: I better not be. I mean, I'm my true authentic 643 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: self right now. And you know, you realize like the 644 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 1: power of the platform, and what I mean by that 645 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: is like, man, this is certain things that we got 646 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: to protect people from because we have these platforms, and 647 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: sometimes the wrong information is fewed over the platform, you know, 648 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: and people get hurt because of that. Yeah, you know, 649 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: And I'm not in the business of hurting nobody. I 650 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: don't want to hurt nobody, and I don't want the 651 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: person putting out the information to be hurt. Yeah you know. 652 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, well that's interesting because and I don't know 653 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: if this was necessarily this person being hurt by you, 654 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: but after Wendy Williams. You get your own show in 655 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: Philly and you get fired because you bring Beanie siegal on, 656 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: who's a who's a Philly rapper? Yeah, tell me if 657 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: I'm not getting a story right. But you bring on 658 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: Beanie Seagull, who's a Philly rapper at one point was 659 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: signed to Rockefeller Records, came up under Jay jay Z. 660 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: And you do an interview with beans on the show 661 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: and he said something about Jay that makes Jay madd 662 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: and you get get fired that. Yeah, that's the story. 663 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: The story is that I got fired because Beanie Seagull 664 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: got on the air and aired out Jay Z. And 665 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm the one who recorded it and I'll put it 666 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: on air. That's the story. I don't know if that's 667 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: true or not. Jay never has confirmed what Jay has 668 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: Jay never confirmed or denied on air. Behind the scenes, 669 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: he has said to me like that, that really gets 670 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: you fight, like you know what I mean? And that's 671 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: the story, right, I don't. I doubt that's highly the case, 672 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? When I think back then, 673 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: I think um I had a new program director was hired, 674 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: and I think that new program director just wanted to 675 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: bring in his people and that new program director like 676 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: he don't know. He had his chest out a little bit. 677 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: I remember the first time I met him, he was like, 678 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: oh me, and you're gonna be able to get along. 679 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: So he came in there on some like snapping the 680 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: whip ship, let me get this guy in line type thing, 681 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 1: and I think that, um, it was a combination of 682 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: just him being new and wanting to bring in his 683 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: own people, but also a combination of people thinking they're 684 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: doing the right thing for jay Z. But jay Z's 685 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,239 Speaker 1: not even thinking about this ship. He's you know what 686 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: I mean. It's one of those things like I know, 687 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: I know Charlotmagne did it, but we got rid of 688 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: Charlomagne and you let Jay know I did it whatever. 689 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: You know, So I don't. I don't know. I do 690 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: feel like maybe a higher up might have might have 691 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: just pulled the trigger on that firing just to get 692 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: in Jay's good graces. But I don't think that was 693 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: a Hey, I'm jay Z, I'm offended by this get 694 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: this guy off the airthing. No, I don't believe that 695 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: at all. Okay, okay, but that does get you fired, 696 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: and that was your own show. I mean, that's like 697 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: your own show in Philly. That's like and if your 698 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: first time happened like your own show, that's like, yeah, um, 699 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: that's that big that I was killing. I was number 700 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: I think two in the market. I was number two 701 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: in the market at the time, and that was in 702 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: a PPM world, So I was I was doing great. 703 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: And it was literally just me and my homegirl, Sasha. 704 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: So I should suit to Sasha Katie, that's the homie, 705 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. She we used to work 706 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: together when I used to work at Wendy at WBLS, 707 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: and so when I got my own show in Philly, 708 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: just asked, yo, you want to be my producer and 709 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: she was like hell yeah. So we literally would drive 710 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: from New Jersey every morning back and forth the Pennsylvania 711 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: like like an hour and a half away. We would 712 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: drive back and forth every day three I have to 713 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: get up at three in the morning, pick her up 714 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: by like four three thirty four o'clock to be there 715 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: on time. And we did that every single day, wow, 716 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: for like six seven months. The funny part is I 717 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: got fired the day I was supposed to move into 718 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: the townhouse because I was still living in Jersey. So 719 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: me and my wife had got a townhouse, and I'm like, yeah, 720 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: this is gonna be great. Now, I gotta wake up 721 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: sore early, like I won't have to drive, Like I'm 722 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: in my basket. I'm processing all this in my mind. 723 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: We was living in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, on the 724 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: outskirts of Philadelphia. Go and roll my daughter in school here, 725 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: all of that type of ship. And the day I 726 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: got fired, I literally had all my stuff in the 727 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: fucking I had a two thousand and two escalated with 728 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty thousand miles on it, and 729 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: I had all that in the car, ready to move 730 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: into the townhouse. And I got fired on that day, 731 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 1: literally that day, and went back to South Carolina, back 732 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: in Most Corner for a year. And what was going 733 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: through your head at that point, Oh, yeah, I failed. 734 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: I gotta go back to the Mons corner. After being 735 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, on Wendy Show, after having my own show 736 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: in Philly, after having these viral moments, after being on 737 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: VH one TV with Wendy. Now I got to go 738 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: back to the man's corner and collect unemployment for real, 739 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,479 Speaker 1: because I don't know when I'm gonna get another gig. 740 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: And now I got a daughter. So I literally was 741 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: in South Carolina from November two thousand and nine to 742 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: November two and ten, so I was able to collect 743 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: the year of unemployment. You know what I mean. I'm 744 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: living at home with my mom, depressed this shit, you know, 745 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 1: anxiety through the roof, just trying to figure out what's 746 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: gonna happen. But you know, I used that opportunity to 747 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: m There was a new station launching in Charleston, South Carolina. 748 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: It was called The Box. I think it was like 749 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: ninety two five The Box or something like that. So 750 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: I was there with them, helping them launch the station, 751 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: helping them write promos and create an imaging for the station. 752 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: I did the voiceovers for the station. Like in my mind, 753 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna end up getting a 754 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: shift on ninety two five. I'm gonna make my twenty 755 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: grand a year here in South Carolina, and we're gonna 756 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: live a great life. Yeah that was my mindseting. But 757 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, clearly God had other plans because the Breakfast 758 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: Club came shortly after that. How did that come? When 759 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: I was in Philly, there was a there was a 760 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: time where I had met with my man g Spend. 761 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: Before me and g Spen met in a restaurant or something. 762 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: It was me and at the time my then uh 763 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: my then manager named it was Kevin, Wendy's husband, and 764 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, you don't have the best reputation in the 765 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: business man, and so even though we met, g Spen 766 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: wasn't really feeling it. And then later on that turned 767 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: into a meeting with my man Cadillac Jack and cad 768 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: was with me then and it was the same thing. 769 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,479 Speaker 1: Like literally I found out that after we left the meeting, 770 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: mad people came from like the sales department and was like, 771 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: you cannot Charlotta, Agne's great, but if as long as 772 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: you know Kevin is his manager, you know we can't 773 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: hire him, and YadA, YadA, YadA, the energy will be 774 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: bad and terrible all of this type of stuff. I 775 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: didn't know that, you know. And then you know, me 776 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: and Kevin ended up having a fallen out parting ways. 777 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: And so I was in New York because I had 778 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: moved back to South Carolina, but I was in New 779 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: York for a couple of days, and I remember just 780 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: texting g Spend like, yo, you know where you at 781 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: And he was like I'm in New York where you at, Like, 782 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm in Jersey right now. I was standing in Fort Lee. 783 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: I was at the Double Tree in four League, and 784 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: he was like, yo, man, he was like, yo, come 785 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: to the station. I'm like where He was like, yeah, yeah, 786 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: come to the station. Come to the station right now. 787 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: And so I got in the rental car drove seem 788 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: it took me like three hours to get there because 789 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: it was like four o'clock in the after Yeah. Yeah. 790 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: So we was at the GW Bridge for what seemed 791 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,919 Speaker 1: like an hour and trying to get down the West Side, 792 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: creeping down and Tribeca. But I finally get there and 793 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: g spinn is like, yo, um my, boss, Cadillac. Jack 794 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: has been watching your stuff all day long, watching you 795 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: and Duval with the Hood, State of the Union, and 796 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: listening under like some old interviews when you was on 797 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: the radio in Philly. So I sit down with Cadillac, 798 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: and me and Cadillac just have a great conversation. And 799 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: one of the first things he says to me is like, 800 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, is cass still you're managing I'm like, nah, 801 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: you know. And that's how the relationship started. So like 802 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: a few months later, I got high on probably one 803 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 1: or five one. I remember Cadillac saying like, how long 804 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: can you wait for this job? And I'm like, for 805 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: this job as long as it takes. And so like 806 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: five six months later, you know, the wheels really started 807 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: to move and where you want him that whole five 808 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: six months like yo, like, oh yes, yeah, you couldn't 809 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: just sit back and no, no, no, definitely stayed in touch, 810 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: would send him new episodes of me and Duvall show, 811 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, just just anything anything that I was doing 812 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: in that space, I would because we was early on 813 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: social media. We was all over my Space and Twitter 814 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: and everything else. So yeah, like I was definitely keeping 815 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: in real touch with him and g span, you know 816 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: what I mean, and sometimes popping up, popping up, you know, 817 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: and be like because I knew kind of like the 818 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: gig might be mine, So I was kind of like 819 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: popping up. And it felt bad because there was like 820 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: people who I was like really cool with that work there, 821 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: and I couldn't say anything, you know about the conversations 822 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: me and Cadillac we're having, you know what I mean, 823 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: And I had to like lie to some of these people, 824 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: and it felt bad, you know what I mean because 825 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: I just couldn't tell the truth because this business still 826 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: to be handled, you know, so, but yeah, that's how 827 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: I got there. It's amazing, man. And then basically from that, 828 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: I mean, from that point, are you still there obviously 829 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club, Yeah, thirteen years later, man. And what's so 830 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: interesting is that any of them would tell you. Angelie 831 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: will tell you, and Bill tell you. Our radio consultant, 832 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 1: Dennis Clark g Span Catillac, I was the guy saying 833 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna be one of the biggest nationally syndicated shows 834 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: in the country. Like, like, I just I knew it. 835 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: I saw what this show had the potential of being. 836 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: And like from day one, me N V. Angela, we 837 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: always recorded our interviews and put them online. That's how 838 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: I was aware of what Angela was doing. I was 839 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: aware of what you know, Envy was doing. You know, 840 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,919 Speaker 1: people like my homegirl Kendred g deVie Brown, we were 841 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: all utilizing the internet. And so when we got with 842 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club, that's all. We didn't have no money 843 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: from marketing. They didn't have no money from marketing, no 844 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,280 Speaker 1: money for promotions. This was kind of like a last 845 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,439 Speaker 1: ditch thing to see if something will work to even 846 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: keep the lights on that power one oh five one. 847 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: And so all we asked for was a cameraman every 848 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: day to come in here and record, you know, these interviews. 849 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: And that's what we did. We started recording these interviews, 850 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: putting them up online, recording these interviews, putting them on websites. 851 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: And then at the time all these blogs and the 852 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: world Stars and all of these different platforms, these websites existed, 853 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: sending our interview was out, they started posting them. Yeah, 854 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: next thing, you know, it took off in a real way, 855 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: and here we are. How do you how do you 856 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: manage that? Like, how do you manage the expectation of 857 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: how do you manage the success? How do you manage 858 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 1: what is just out of reach at the moment that's 859 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: that's gonna be coming up for you. I manage it 860 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: just by like realizing what my daddy always says, You're 861 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: never as good as it say you are, and you're 862 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: never as bad as it say you are. Like I've 863 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: already had my moments of like ego, I've had my 864 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 1: moments of like being that narcissistic, arrogant person that you know, 865 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: you can't tell anything too whether people realize that or not. 866 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure that they did, because I'm sure I projected it, 867 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I went through that, 868 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,720 Speaker 1: and I went through that at a time where, like God, 869 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: knew I had to get over that in order to 870 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: be where I am now. So I knew that I 871 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: had to start doing some work on myself. I was 872 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,359 Speaker 1: really becoming everything that I said I didn't like. You know, 873 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: I was looking in the mirror and really becoming my father. 874 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: I loved my father, but I hated how my father's 875 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: infidelity ruined his marriage with my mom, you know, and 876 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: ruined our family. Right. So for me, I didn't want 877 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: to do that, and I felt myself going down that 878 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: path in a real way. So it was just like, 879 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: let me check myself before I wrecked myself. You know 880 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: why let you go? Man, last question, if you can 881 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: pick out one thing that's helped you be successful, that's 882 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: sort of been with you through every period of your 883 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: of your career, what do you think that thing would be? Man? 884 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: For me, it would like to really be authentic. And 885 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is you're not authentic when 886 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: you're being a character to yourself. You're not authentic when 887 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 1: you see something working for you and you're getting rewarded 888 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: for it, so you start double and trippling down on 889 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 1: that thing. You're not authentic when you're being a second 890 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: rate version of somebody else instead of a first rate 891 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: version of yourself. And one of the things that hurt 892 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: me to most is when they started calling me to 893 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: hip hop Howard Stern. I love Howard Stern, right, but 894 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: I didn't even start to think why they were calling 895 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: me that. I just took it and ran with it, 896 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, and started giving them like all of the 897 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: examples of Howard that Howard might not even be proud 898 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: of now, you know. For me, it was like a 899 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 1: lot of the the frat boy, creepy ass, overly sexual humor, 900 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, like the low vibrational energy is what I 901 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: was really doing, the limbo with how low can you Go? 902 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like literally like how low 903 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: can you go? Like literally, And that's the type of 904 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: shit I was doing. So like when you go online 905 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: and you see like videos of me like sniffing chairs 906 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 1: or like tyeing poem orange stars up and all of that, 907 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: it was literally for the shock. Yeah, And so like 908 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: that stuck with me for like man, maybe maybe a 909 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: year or two I was on that and then just 910 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,879 Speaker 1: started to eat me up, Like, Yo, this ain't making 911 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: me happy. This shit is whacked. And you got your 912 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, your wife. You know I got married in 913 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, so you got your wife on your head 914 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,839 Speaker 1: at the time. She's my girl, Like what the fuck 915 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: are you doing? Like, you know, you out here wilding, 916 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: you cheating on you like me and you you're on 917 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 1: the radio and you're, damn it bragging about word of 918 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: the ball like it was that type of conversation. I'm like, man, 919 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,280 Speaker 1: are you tripping? Like you know you it's just entertainment. 920 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: That was my life. It's just entertainment. But it's not. Yeah, 921 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: it's really not, you know, because you know, but when 922 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: you're influencing mad people, and in this case, I'm hurting 923 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: somebody and hurting the person that's the closest to me, 924 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: and you can start to believe your own bullshit. That's 925 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: the worst. When you get in the character and you 926 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,839 Speaker 1: start believing that you really are this dude. So it's 927 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,720 Speaker 1: like for me, man, that's what made me like really 928 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: start like going to therapy and like doing the work 929 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: because I did not like the version of myself that 930 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 1: I was becoming. So my advice to anybody would just 931 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: to just be authentic, always leave yourself open to growth, 932 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: and don't be afraid of where that growth takes you. 933 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what people like about you today. 934 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: If you're growing into something else tomorrow, follow that shit, 935 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,799 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because if you don't, you know, 936 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: you're really just stunting your growth and you really don't 937 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: know how big you could possibly be. You're putting a 938 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: cap on you, like you're literally putting a limit on 939 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: how far you could possibly grow, how big you could get, 940 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: because you're like, Nope, that's what they like about me, 941 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna keep it here as opposed to just 942 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: leaving yourself open to see what else is out there 943 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: and how much more you could continue to grow. So 944 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: that's what I tell people. Be authentic, man, and just 945 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: don't be afraid to grow. Yeah. Yeah, man, thanks for 946 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 1: bringing your authentic self to everything, man. I appreciate thanks. Man, 947 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 1: appreciate Charlemagne, who the ups and downs are building a 948 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: media career in one of the most cut throat of 949 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: mediums radio, has shown up ready to bring his full 950 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: self to whatever it is he does, and the brilliance 951 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: of that is he's been impossible to ignore. I want 952 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: to thank him for that confidence and for taking the 953 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: time to talk with me. I plan on spending more 954 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: time working on my fear of being rejected just for 955 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: being me. Thanks for listening to start it from the bottom, 956 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm out. 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