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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me well.

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Speaker 2: All about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all

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Speaker 2: about them high school Queens will take you for a ride,

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Speaker 2: and our comic girl sharing for the Righteen Drama Queens,

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Speaker 2: Jamie's my girl girl Fashion, but your tough girl.

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Speaker 3: You could sit with us Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama,

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Speaker 3: Queens Drama, drahn MC Queens Drama Queens.

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Speaker 4: Well, Hillary, you want to bring us in?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, guys. It is episode twenty four

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Speaker 1: of season six, Remember Me as a Time of Day

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Speaker 1: Air date May eighteenth, two thousand and nine. Uh, Nathan, Nathan.

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Speaker 1: I just loved Haley and Nathan. This episode, he is

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Speaker 1: released from the Chiefs and is forced to face Haley

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Speaker 1: and Jamie. That's a that's a that's a bit miss Yeah.

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Speaker 1: On the eve of Peyton's delivery, Lucas and Peyton receive

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Speaker 1: us prize visit from Karen. This synopsis is wrote this

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Speaker 1: too short. This synopsis doesn't want you to know any spoilers,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna give them to you anyway.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, shouldn't they say the night of Peyton and

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Speaker 5: Lucas's wedding not the eve of her delivery. What like

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Speaker 5: it was planned?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the uh, the imminent delivery.

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Speaker 1: It's a really dark teaser emergency delivery. Yeah, big episode,

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Speaker 1: but big episode for everybody. I thought like this felt

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Speaker 1: like a two hour special. It really did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, every single character got a wrap up, including people

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Speaker 4: we haven't seen in a long time. Yeah, no, am

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Speaker 4: I wrong? You're like, well, you're like, you're nod in

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Speaker 4: your head, what do you mean?

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Speaker 5: No, I agree.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there were people that didn't get wrapped up. Did

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Speaker 4: I miss anybody?

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Speaker 1: Well, we didn't see skills. Oh, shoot, that's it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he got kind of a nice wrap up in the

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Speaker 1: last episode with Miss Lauren, like we knew that they

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Speaker 1: were on a path. Yeah, this kind of set out

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Speaker 1: the future of the show, knowing that everyone's on their

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Speaker 1: path and everyone seems partnered up in a really healthy,

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Speaker 1: happy way, and that is a feel good thing. I

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Speaker 1: know that a lot of fans have said this felt

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Speaker 1: like a series finale instead of a season finale, and

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Speaker 1: it really I hadn't thought of it that way.

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Speaker 4: It was not on purpose.

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Speaker 1: We knew we were coming back, and it aren't even

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Speaker 1: announcedream were coming back that one season. We didn't need

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Speaker 1: a season finale or a series finale was the one

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Speaker 5: It almost felt like they'd written this, like they'd decided

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Speaker 5: what the end of the show was going to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and then in six twenty one when we got the

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Speaker 5: pick up, they were like, well, it's honestly a really

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Speaker 1: Still a good episode.

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Speaker 4: Just leave it alone, you know, the same thing I

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Speaker 4: was thinking. Absolutely, But it worked. I loved that, and

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Speaker 4: also it gave it as a place to I mean,

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Speaker 4: next new phase of these characters' lives, and so especially

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Speaker 4: knowing that you and Chad were leaving, I think they

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Speaker 4: is wrapped up, So we're going to start something new,

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Speaker 4: but it has to be able to feel new without

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Speaker 1: Well, sometimes when a show has been on as long

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Speaker 1: as ours was, no cliffhanger is a cliffhanger, right, People

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Speaker 1: are so used to like, is Dan Scott dead? Who

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Speaker 1: all been a dream? Everyone's dead. Dan Scott had a point.

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Speaker 1: This is hell, Oh Dan Scott even he got closure

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Speaker 4: I ah not expecting that circle moment. So much about

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Speaker 4: this episode that I completely forgot no recollection of this

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Speaker 1: I vividly remember the very first thing we see when

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when Chad shows up, he shows up, and he

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Speaker 4: showed up in this episode. His performance was really beautiful.

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Speaker 5: It's it's also so interesting to realize how much, to

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Speaker 5: your point, some of the stuff from this episode stuck.

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Speaker 1: With all of us.

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Speaker 5: Like when we were watching six twenty three, I was like, well,

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Speaker 5: I've never seen it? How dare they edit this for streaming?

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Speaker 5: there's so many things that that stick. And I think

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Speaker 5: up and because they wrote this. Sure, it's kind of

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Speaker 5: thought every single thing worked like from War Sweater being

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of montage, you know, the montage

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Speaker 4: And the camera's shot that the doctor's hands coming out

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Speaker 4: could have overacted it. I mean anybody could have just

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Speaker 1: You, guys. How do we feel about the O R

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Speaker 5: In my notes in all caps, they would never allow

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Speaker 1: They would never let us watch you have a C section, guys.

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Speaker 1: I said this on set that day. Yeah, we all

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Speaker 5: And they didn't care. They were like, it's emotional. We

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Speaker 1: I have never been to a hospital at all with

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Speaker 1: like a I don't know it's operating Galla orange? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: What made it even funnier was that they cut the

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Speaker 1: Lucas's hands were you guys, It's like Evita for me.

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Speaker 1: I I enjoyed that. I mean it was funny and

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Speaker 1: totally unbelievable. But also, you know in tree Hill, anytime

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean we shot all the happy stuff first.

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Speaker 1: So the day that we drove off into the sunset

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Speaker 1: for spoiling the end of the show. I mean it

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Speaker 4: But it's amazing how life does that, just keeps weaving

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Speaker 1: Just God, please do that somewhere else like that. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: Dan hasn't done the work.

436
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 4: He's on this journey now though it's like it seems

437
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 4: like it's actually starting, but we've had so many moments

438
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 4: of him feeling like he's actually starting, and so that's

439
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 4: what And so many people have told him that and

440
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 4: directly been there walking through that with him and giving

441
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 4: him these chances. And I want to believe it's new,

442
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 4: but I guess we'll see, we'll see what happens.

443
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: I think when you take inventory of your life and

444
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: you look at the people who have stood by you,

445
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,239
Speaker 1: and you look at the people who you were us

446
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: together with, there are people that need chance after chance

447
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: after chance, after chance after chance, and they're addicted to

448
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 1: new beginnings. They are addicted to conflict and resolution. In

449
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: my forties, I'm only now realizing to steer clear of

450
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: those people. I don't know if that's true. I think

451
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,239
Speaker 1: it's really important to be empathetic and hold them at

452
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: arm's length because there are so many people out there

453
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: that are consistent and stable and supportive and safe, and

454
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: in realizing that, there's personality addictions. Like Dan Scott clearly

455
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: has this problem with wanting to start over and over

456
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: and over again, but never actually takes off. He never

457
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: actually gets to chapter two. He's always at chapter one

458
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: of the of the realization.

459
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: Oh, you're saying like it's Sisyphus's rock, like people who

460
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 4: will get to the get to the breaking point and

461
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 4: then turn around and sabotage themselves all the way back

462
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: to the beginning. And then every time, Oh, I see

463
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 4: what you're saying, because I was like, yeah, I mean,

464
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 4: but everybody has to grow, like you have to have

465
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 4: constant new beginnings. How else do you grow as a human.

466
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's an addiction. I think that's

467
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 4: actually like super important and healthy for people to continue

468
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: to grow in relationship.

469
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: You can't continually sabotage your relationships over and over again.

470
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: And that's what we see Dan do. Yeah, and we

471
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: saw Lucas start to develop that pattern as a teenager

472
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 1: and grow out of it as an adult, which is

473
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: that's what you know, breaking generational curses is all about.

474
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: That's why we love Lucas because we know what he

475
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: could have been, we know what Nathan could have been,

476
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: and their whole storyline is to break that generational curse

477
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: and not follow what was modeled for them.

478
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

479
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, and I think it's really it's a really

480
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 5: interesting thing. And they're you know, it's kind of like

481
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 5: JoJo's old phrase, right, like two horns on the same goat,

482
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 5: Like they're close together but also wildly different, these two

483
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 5: things we're talking about. You know, Yes, I think it's

484
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 5: an incredible thing to grow throughout your life and to

485
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 5: be willing to. By the way, like when we talk

486
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 5: about growth, when people you know, outgrow bad situations, or

487
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 5: they decide to break generational trauma, or they realize they're

488
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 5: in absolutely the wrong relationship and so they fucking leave.

489
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 5: Like I will celebrate people who leave what is not

490
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 5: good for them, who leave where they are being mistreated anytime.

491
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: I don't care how long you were there. I don't

492
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 5: care when you figured it out. If it was bad

493
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 5: for you, get out, like absolutely, And I also see

494
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 5: exactly that thing you're saying Hill where there's some people

495
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 5: who it's almost like people like Dan, people with those

496
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 5: sort of personality disorders create drama and harm so they

497
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 5: have something to talk about and fix.

498
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: A problem to solve.

499
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's I think it's really interesting. And you know,

500
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 5: obviously one of the signs of like healthy self reflection

501
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 5: when you're willing to take inventory and say like am

502
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 5: I outgrowing something? Or am I running from something? Am

503
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 5: I evolving in a good way? Or do I have

504
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 5: some crutch from my childhood or whatever? And it's like,

505
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 5: you know, there's that like famous adage that when we

506
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 5: talk about people like Dan, you know, when we talk

507
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 5: about narcissists, a narcissist will often tell you you're the

508
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 5: narcissist when you stop, when you start to refuse to

509
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 5: be on the receiving end of narcissistic abuse anymore. Yeah,

510
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 5: And you know, it's always a therapist who's helping you

511
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 5: cope with that. As I know, we've all had to

512
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 5: in our own ways. Who says, like, if you the

513
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 5: patient come in here and say, wait, could I be

514
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 5: the narcissist? No, because a narcissist will never ask if

515
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 5: they're a narcissist exactly, period, end of story. And so

516
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 5: I think all of that stuff, like everything we've learned

517
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 5: about who Dan is and how those sorts of personalities present.

518
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 5: And you know, the way Paul has been able to,

519
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: as such a talented actor, humanize this man who's a nightmare,

520
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 5: makes you feel for him in that moment, and it

521
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 5: allows Whitey to feel for him in that moment and

522
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 5: lovingly say to him, you did this. You are being

523
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 5: held accountable for the choices you made. You murdered your brother.

524
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 5: So it's really not surprising that your kids don't want

525
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 5: to hang out with you.

526
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and it's and it's wild to watch

527
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: what a hard pill that.

528
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 5: Is for Dan to swallow.

529
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, so you can escape and run away, or

530
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 4: if you're interested in redemption, there is hope for you

531
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 4: if you're interested in it. Yeah, if not, but you're

532
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: gonna have to do You get to choose.

533
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a big it's a big thing. And what

534
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 5: an interesting thing too, like that the episode is actually

535
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 5: so happy. You see people everywhere choosing their joy, but this,

536
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 5: this heavy, heavy sort of anchor is in the middle

537
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 5: of it.

538
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: But look at the flip side. Victoria is going through

539
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: the same situation, right, And so Dan, who's apologized and

540
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: apologized and apologize and apologized and apologize and apologize. I

541
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: mean it is an endless what the Dan Scott wants

542
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: a new chapter? Yeah? Sorry, Yeah, I'm bored bye. Victoria,

543
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: on the other hand, has also been a terrible selfish

544
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: me me and mom. And Victoria's apology in this episode

545
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: hit me totally differently because I believed it.

546
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too.

547
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: I think she actually will do the work. You can

548
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: tell that she's already done the work because she has

549
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: observed and been very specific in her apologies. Yes, And

550
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: that to me is the mark of a true apology,

551
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: because there's so many people that will say, well, whatever

552
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: I did, I'm sorry you No, you're not, Yeah, you

553
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: just wanted to end.

554
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's action behind it, behind her apology.

555
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: She's very specific. Yes, she hands over the companies, right,

556
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: that's right.

557
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 5: And I like that you use the word observed because

558
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 5: something I love about this last series of episodes is

559
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 5: that we get to see and you know, they don't

560
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 5: give you a lot of quiet time on camera, especially

561
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 5: when you're in an ensemble cast like this. There's always

562
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 5: scenes that wind up on the cutting room floor because

563
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 5: you got to make the forty three minute line. Like

564
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 5: you know, for our friends at Home. It so much

565
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 5: gets cut out, all the air sometimes gets taken out.

566
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 5: And yet even in these jam packed episodes, we've gotten

567
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 5: so many scenes where we watch Victoria observe what's happening

568
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 5: around her, watching Brooke from behind, watching Brook with Sam,

569
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 5: watching Julian, watching She's watching, and she's realizing so many

570
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 5: things about her daughter's life that she just never knew

571
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 5: before because she was never around. And to see the

572
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 5: culmination of all that observation be that authentic apology where

573
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 5: she can look at Brooke and say, now I see

574
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 5: and I know what you need to hear, and I'm

575
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 5: sorry I didn't say it sooner. Oh I sobbed, I remember,

576
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 5: I mean genuinely sobbing.

577
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: On the day I couldn't start. Daphnie and I just

578
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: wept together and.

579
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 5: It made me cry. Today, the feeling of it is

580
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 5: so visceral, and it is exactly that. It's because it's

581
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 5: a real it's a real, deep observational apology, and there's

582
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 5: substance to it.

583
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it requires real humility. It's not escape, it's not

584
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 4: self pity. It's actual humility. And I want to grow,

585
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: I want to change, And here's my attempt at action

586
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: behind it. Here's also this is such a great example

587
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 4: of tree Hill being such a central character in the

588
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: arc of all of our storylines that you look at

589
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 4: Dan who grew up in tree Hill, and he just

590
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 4: takes it for granted. He takes everything that he has

591
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: for granted. Big fish in a small pond. Here comes Victoria,

592
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 4: big fish in big pond, and comes into this tiny

593
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: little town and her whole heart is rearranged because of

594
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: her interactions with the people that live in this town

595
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 4: and stand on street corners and have kisses in moonlight,

596
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: and cars driving down the street that stop at red lights,

597
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 4: and boys coming in and out of the store, and

598
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 4: girls without parents coming in and meeting her daughter. Like

599
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 4: there's all these just beautiful, little romantic moments that have

600
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 4: chipped away at the ice around her heart. And this

601
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: moment was so satisfying for me because of that.

602
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: I think there are also some parents that struggle to

603
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: connect with their children at different ages. So I know

604
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are really great with their

605
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: kids until they hit about twelve. Everybody complains about like

606
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: middle school because they're like, all of a sudden, my

607
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: child's rebelling now, And I'm like, well, no, they're not.

608
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: They're own people, you know, And so it's really easy

609
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: to love us year old, super easy. And then there

610
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: are some people that are like little kids yack, and

611
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: they wait until their kids are like seventeen eighteen to

612
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: connect and have like a meaningful adult connection. And Victoria

613
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: just might be one of those people who until she

614
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: can speak to Brook woman to woman as an adult,

615
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: she struggles with no k Like we don't see her

616
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: with kids, we don't see her with like Jamie. She's

617
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: not a natural nurturer. She's not going to hold a baby,

618
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: you know.

619
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 5: Peyton would rather hand her baby to Dan Scott than Victoria.

620
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: A hundred of person, a hundred person.

621
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 4: But I love that her performance wasn't overly emotional. That

622
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 4: was another thing that being someone who's not a natural nurturer,

623
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 4: who wouldn't be great with kids, she's not a super

624
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: emotional woman, or maybe she isn't.

625
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: She just hides it all.

626
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 4: But that's kind of also what made a great contrast

627
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 4: to dance performance, which was super emotional, super intense. That Victoria,

628
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 4: It's like, I'm not going to minimize your pain and

629
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 4: what I've done to you by making this moment about

630
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: me and needing you to comfort me because I'm crying

631
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 4: and I feel bad about myself and i feel bad

632
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 4: about all the things that I've done. It's like she

633
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 4: had enough respect for Brooke to hold that in ye

634
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 4: and let it, let the moment really be about Brook again,

635
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 4: so mature, so humble.

636
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: Loved it. I love that she talked about the dude

637
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: that she loved and that was the thing that like

638
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: got her. She's like, oh my god, I cannot let

639
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: my daughter make this life changing mistake that ruined my life. Yes,

640
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: meeting your father? Oof? I wonder who this guy was?

641
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: Was it Gregory Harrison? Did they meet later? And she's like, oh,

642
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: there you are.

643
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 4: So good?

644
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

645
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's the guy that broke Victorious hard? Does he

646
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: ever come back?

647
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 4: Is that a thing that they bring back later?

648
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 5: No? I mean you do meet my dad eventually, but

649
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 5: I don't think no.

650
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: I bet he was like a Formula one race car

651
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: driver or a painter.

652
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 4: Maybe he was a garbage man.

653
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 5: Well, he definitely was. He did because she says he

654
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 5: didn't come from my circle. My parents wouldn't allow it,

655
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 5: and I, you know, I don't know. I think that's

656
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 5: a really profound thing as an adult and something that

657
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 5: I realized nobody talks to us about when we're younger.

658
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 5: You know, It's it's sort of been a big part

659
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: of my journey is figuring out like well, everybody says things.

660
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 5: You hear these phrases like marriage is hard, and you

661
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 5: know this is you really got to do the work,

662
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 5: and like, well, okay, but how hard Cause I don't know.

663
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Speaker 5: I've got friends, Like we've talked a lot about this, Hillary,

664
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Speaker 5: Like in all the years I've watched you and Jeffrey,

665
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 5: Like you guys done some hard work, but like you're

666
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 5: always having a good time and it might seem insane,

667
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 5: but like it really was this aha moment for me

668
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 5: of like, hold on, I don't think hard is supposed

669
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Speaker 5: to be torture.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's just a cry every day.

671
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, for people who are used to laying down on

672
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 4: the in the road so everybody else can walk all

673
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 4: over that.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 5: I was like, huh, I think like maybe sobbing at

676
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 5: the kitchen table every night is like not the kind

677
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 5: of hard that is sustainable.

678
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think there's something.

679
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 5: So poignant about this moment between Brooke and Victoria watching

680
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 5: it now, like as a you know, woman in my

681
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 5: early forties who has just had the wild last couple

682
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 5: of years that I've had, It's like, I wish somebody

683
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 5: had been able to have that conversation with me in

684
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 5: my twenties, Like it's a conversation my mom and I

685
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 5: are having now where it's like, just because you do

686
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 5: everything you're supposed to do and everything society tells you

687
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 5: to do, and and you check every box on the

688
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 5: list that is presented to us, which is more or

689
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 5: less the same you know.

690
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: For each good girl.

691
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 5: Yeah girl, like and you do it and you're like,

692
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 5: is this it? Like is my reward for doing everything right?

693
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 5: Sobbing at my fucking kitchen table every night? Like really?

694
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: And I love I love.

695
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 5: That Victoria looks at her and says, I did what

696
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 5: I was supposed to do. I picked the right kind

697
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 5: of guy. And I've regretted it every day. Please don't

698
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 5: do what I did. Please go chase what makes you happy,

699
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 5: not the piece of paper or the guy from the

700
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: right social circle or you know, picking the beginning of

701
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 5: a season one of the knicks. Yeah, like, stop doing

702
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 5: the pr and go do your life.

703
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: Stop doing the her is the thing when she said

704
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't give a show that it's close over, bros,

705
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: that's bulls.

706
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, you misnamed your company.

707
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 1: You need to take care of you and everything else

708
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: will be fine. Yeah, Like I loved that. Yeah, I

709
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: love that because old Victoria would have protected that brand

710
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: at all costs.

711
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 5: Of course. And by the way, it's what we've all

712
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 5: been cultured to do. And you realize how your work

713
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 5: bleeds into your life, Like we've talked about it a

714
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 5: lot on this show. You get told you got to

715
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 5: show up. If you screw it up, you're screwing it

716
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 5: up for two hundred other people. You you better grin

717
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 5: and Barrett, you better do these days. You better not complain.

718
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 5: And when you learn to be a good girl, a

719
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 5: good soldier, you of course you take that home with you. Yeah,

720
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 5: and the permission slip to undo that, I mean, it

721
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 5: changed my life and I love from this moment in me,

722
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 5: my Sophia's life, watching this scene in this episode and going,

723
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 5: holy shit, that is even more profound then. I knew

724
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 5: it to be then, and I knew that scene was

725
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 5: a big deal then because I couldn't stop crying like

726
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 5: a baby all day while we shot.

727
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: You're so good. You were so shocked, you were flabbergasted

728
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: to hear those words come out of her mouth. Yeah,

729
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: And it was so like sweet to watch. It was

730
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: almost like you were pinching yourself, like is this real?

731
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: Is there gonna be a punchline at the end.

732
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, When she says I am so proud of you,

733
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 5: like capital s O like I, I burst into tears

734
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 5: in the dead I was just like yeah.

735
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: But it's like it's it's a life lesson that we've

736
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: applied here because for ten years I kept my mouth

737
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: shut about what went on on our show because I

738
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to be it for the fans. I was

739
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: a good girl. I towed the party line, you know

740
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I did all the things I

741
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: was told to do. I fulfilled the expectations. And the

742
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: second I said get and I just started telling the

743
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: truth about what really happened here. It didn't ruin it

744
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: for the fans. If anything, the love of our show

745
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: and the fervor for our show has grown since we

746
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: started telling the truth about what this was. And I

747
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: hope that's you know, I hope that means something to

748
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: somebody out there who's going through a similar situation. If

749
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: you're honest about it, if you're honest about your feelings

750
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: about the reality, the shame goes away, right, you can

751
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: actually take pride in it again. I hated talking about

752
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: our show for a full decade, and now I'm like, Jeffrey,

753
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: you got to watch this. We are adorable. We will

754
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: never be cute or in our whole life. I'm so

755
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: proud of this show because in telling the truth, I've

756
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: been able to separate the stuff I didn't like and

757
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: the stuff that I love. And so hearing victory like

758
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: a woman on the show be that called arms, you're right,

759
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: it is more meaningful now, all these years later.

760
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I see things in it that I didn't see them,

761
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 5: and I love it. I love her so much. I

762
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 5: didn't think I could love Daphne anymore, and here we are,

763
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 5: and it makes me love our storyline even more because

764
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 5: it echoes the same sort of thing that you and

765
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 5: I get to have in this episode, Hillary, when I

766
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 5: come to see you with the baby, like we're the

767
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 5: love story. And I feel the same way about Daphne

768
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 5: and about Victoria and Brooke. I'm like, now they're a

769
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 5: love story too.

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00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

771
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 5: And it's so that's not to say our epic love

772
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 5: stories Peyton and Lucas and Brook and Julian and Haley

773
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 5: and Nathan are less valuable at all. You know, they're

774
00:44:54,520 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 5: the wish fulfillment. But the friendships we forge, they're the

775
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 5: things that raise us. They are the places we go

776
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,959
Speaker 5: home to, Like, you know, it's just a different thing.

777
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 5: And when your best friend has a baby and you're like,

778
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 5: oh great, he's gone, Well it's our baby.

779
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: This is actually our baby. Five.

780
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 4: Victoria gave Brook what she's been searching for this whole time,

781
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: I mean the whole time we've known Brook. She's been

782
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 4: searching for that permission to stop, to be okay with

783
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 4: the mess. I feel like Brook's always pushing, She's always like,

784
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 4: the mess is okay, It's okay, we have to be messy.

785
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 4: But it's also like in action, it's all like trying

786
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: to be perfect all the time and then falling apart

787
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: and then trying to put it all together again. And

788
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 4: Victoria is the only person in the world who can

789
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 4: give that to her because she's the one who created

790
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 4: the problem in the first place with Brook by raising

791
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: her to be someone who felt the constant need to perform. Yeah,

792
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: and by giving her this gift of the opposite perspective

793
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 4: that she's always been told. I'm really curious to see

794
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: how that progresses for Brook having this now new permission.

795
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 4: The release is.

796
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: Brook gonna wear sweatpants? Now? Could the imagine Brooke Lane

797
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: in Sam's bed, in the bedroom that looks just like

798
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: Peyton's old bedroom. Yeah, Brook Lane in the bed with

799
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: her mini skirt and her perfect hels. I was like,

800
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: Brooke Davis needs to Yeah, I'm like, could I just

801
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: have like some house shoes?

802
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 5: What are we doing?

803
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: Does Brook not have a robe? She is in action

804
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: has to be perfect all the time. So Yeah, I

805
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: love I love what you're saying. Their joy. The Victoria

806
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: is the only one that can break that spell.

807
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 5: Friends, we're getting the signal from our producers that we've

808
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 5: done a whole episode, but we're clearly not done talking

809
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 5: we have a lot to discuss, and honestly, after six seasons,

810
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 5: I think we've earned it. So let's come back in

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Speaker 5: the next episode for part two.

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