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Speaker 1: Hi, they're friends. It's me Josh. For this week's select

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Speaker 1: I've chosen our September twenty nineteen episode on government shutdowns. Sadly,

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Speaker 1: this is such a perennial topic we should re release

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Speaker 1: it every couple months. It's a good thing to understand

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Speaker 1: so that you can be good and ticked off at

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Speaker 1: your elected officials any time of shutdown happens, because, as

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Speaker 1: we learn in this episode, they are totally avoidable. So enjoy.

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. So I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles w Chuck Bryan, there's Jerry over there,

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Speaker 1: and this is the podcast, Like I said, in particular,

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Speaker 1: it's the Stuff you Should Know podcast. So if that's

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Speaker 1: not where you're here to listen to, you're in the

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Speaker 1: wrong place.

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Speaker 2: And if you don't want to listen to us talk

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Speaker 2: about government shutdowns, then you're in the wrong place.

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Speaker 1: Well, who doesn't want to know about government shutdowns?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree. Educate yourselves right as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: because it's gonna happen again soon enough.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. That is why I wanted to do

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Speaker 1: this episode. Yeah, because I've been meaning for us to

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Speaker 1: do this for years now, and every time we do it,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, every time I go to do it,

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Speaker 1: say let's do a government shutdown episode, I think, is

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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. Sorry, I just drank a

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Speaker 1: Red Bull because I was about to fall over and

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Speaker 1: now I'm talking really fast. Just give me like ten minutes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and you're drinking a Coca Cola.

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Speaker 1: Well, we don't have zero here anymore. This is all

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Speaker 2: We want that extra caffeine kick on top of the

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Speaker 2: red bull.

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Speaker 1: I think I have just this twelve ounce can. It's

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Speaker 1: not even gone, and I think I've burned a hole

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Speaker 1: in my stomach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy but delicious.

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Speaker 1: It is delicious, I'll give you that. But Coke zero

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Speaker 1: is really delicious too, for being a diet cola at

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Speaker 1: any rate.

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Speaker 2: Government shutdowns you were saying, Yeah, every time we go

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Speaker 1: Shuts down, so it looks like we're chasing a trend,

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Speaker 1: so we have to wait. Yeah, I'm like, finally the

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Speaker 1: time is right, because.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be cool to do one in the midst

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Speaker 2: of one.

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Speaker 1: Is that the definitely not gotcha? No, that's like buying

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Speaker 1: a T shirt at a concert and then putting that

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Speaker 2: At the concert right with that horrible smell. Oh yeah, shirt,

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Speaker 2: especially concert t shirts that are printed out of you know,

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Speaker 2: straight chemicals.

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Speaker 1: Out of Buffalo Bill's basement, made of skin.

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Speaker 2: Man. He's been on my mind a.

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Speaker 1: Lot because of the Egean episode.

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Speaker 2: Well, because that, and then I just saw on the

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Speaker 2: movie Crushers page someone posted a funny little thing that

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Speaker 2: was a Buffalo Bill tender profile. This was really funny.

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Speaker 1: I got to do that.

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Speaker 2: And then there was something else from this past weekend.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of Buffalo Bill happening. He's everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, remember we used to send each other that

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Speaker 1: that one screenshot. Yeah, that's great. Ye back when we

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Speaker 2: I know, and it was easy enough to do that

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Speaker 1: Now we have gold plated airon chairs, no walls anywhere.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what you're sitting in right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm quite comfy.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, there's Chuck.

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Speaker 1: We should edit all that other stuff out, don't you think.

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Speaker 2: Or get money from Red Bull Coca Cola and Aaron,

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Speaker 2: you're right, and Buffalo Bill right, or the Buffalo Bill's

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Speaker 1: Dang Man, you just really pulled it together with that

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Speaker 1: last one. So we've been through some shutdowns in our time.

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Speaker 2: Chuck, sure, in our day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as a matter of fact, you'd think based on

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Speaker 1: There's like the federal government, I should say, for our

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Speaker 1: fellow listeners outside of the United States, our government is broken, right,

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Speaker 1: We're talking about government shutdowns, and it's a lot like

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Speaker 1: we're talking about. Literally parts of the government shut down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again we will get into all the nuts

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Speaker 2: and those funding gaps happen almost always because of entrenched politics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's two sides playing chicken over the budget, right,

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Speaker 1: and when the government shutdown happens, neither side blinked.

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Speaker 2: Right. And it's also very important to point out that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and more often than not, public polling shows that

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Speaker 1: until this last one, it was always Congress, right, no

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Speaker 1: matter what, Which is funny that they would try to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's.

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Speaker 1: So damaging on an individual level among like federal employees

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our economy takes a huge, shit.

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Speaker 1: Huge hit that we just never regain.

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Speaker 2: All Right, that's a great setup.

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Speaker 1: I think so too, So Chuck, to start, I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is again, if you live outside the

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Speaker 2: But in the United States and in the US Constitution,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not even the Bill of Rights, like the Constitution. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 2: It was Congress who was granted control over the money.

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Speaker 2: So the President and can't just fund something. The Senate

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Speaker 2: Through this process, we're going to get into called appropriations.

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Speaker 1: Right, and so in the Constitution it just said the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we should read that though, because it does have

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Speaker 2: money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence

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Speaker 2: of the appropriations made by law. So far, so good, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Regular statement of account of receipts and expenditures of all

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Speaker 1: Whenever you get to it.

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Speaker 2: Why not like you know, in November of every year.

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Speaker 1: I honestly don't know, because I mean, from time to

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Speaker 2: It makes it seem what's the word when you don't

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Speaker 1: so well after all these years. So that's the It's

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Speaker 1: There's a huge loophole here, like no, I can't. I can't,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is really I mean that is so United

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Congress, pay this guy's yeah, yeah, he did what

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Speaker 1: This representative said in eighteen oh six that presidents were

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Speaker 1: So eventually Congress said, we got to close this loophole,

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Speaker 1: and they did in eighteen eighty four.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah. The Anti Deficiency Act basically said, no,

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Speaker 1: Right exactly. As a matter of fact, they said, you

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Speaker 1: for that. That's right, You just can't do it so

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: But when we say we fund you, Congress funds the

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Speaker 2: Said, yeah, but it would take until nineteen seventy four

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Speaker 2: when Richard Nixon signed the Congress Budget and Impoundment Control Act.

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Speaker 2: That's what really changed everything, and that's what kind of

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Speaker 1: Right. Ideally, it functions kind of clunky even in its

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Speaker 1: best form, Yeah, but purposefully so it's to keep Congress

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Speaker 1: it's to say, this group over here and this group

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Speaker 1: hammer out the details. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's really discouraging to look at the history of our

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Speaker 2: other way, and the government's job should be to come

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Speaker 2: seems like it's more like the government just finds loopholes

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Speaker 2: and is sneaky and underhanded to find workarounds from actually

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Speaker 1: Right stinks.

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Speaker 2: Sick of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty fed up with government too. I think

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Speaker 1: most people in America and I would gather the UK too.

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Speaker 2: All right, oh man, especially right now. So here's how

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Speaker 2: it happens. Every year, the two chambers of Congress, they

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Speaker 2: But again, this is like they call it in this article,

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Speaker 1: The Montgomery Ward Wishbook wish list.

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Speaker 2: So they've got this wish list. Then it goes onto

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Speaker 1: It's basically just setting the spending for the year. Right.

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Speaker 1: Right. So Congress says, here's the total amount of money

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Speaker 1: There's an appropriation subcommittee that says this is how you're

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Speaker 1: going to spend this, that's right, and they have hearings

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Speaker 1: Right, stuff like that, and then these appropriation subcommittees, each

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Speaker 2: Of pie, come together ideally.

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Speaker 1: And they say, well, we came up with this. What

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Speaker 2: That's great, only seven billion.

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Speaker 2: Well, they negotiate with each other to come up with

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Speaker 1: Right. So, remember there's twelve there's actually twenty four of

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Speaker 1: As a whole is called omnibus.

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Speaker 1: Four times, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So okay, Congress comes along. Also, big shout out to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave is one of the great writers from howsoftworks

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Speaker 2: We're tapping him and he's tapping back. It's great.

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Speaker 1: We've got a pretty great little stable going here. We've

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Speaker 2: That's right, And I think if they keep up the

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's fine, all right, So I just pulled

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Speaker 2: I can't write this week. So, like we said before

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Speaker 1: It's so funny.

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Speaker 2: So when it comes to October second, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: continuing resolution. So this can happen for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 2: One good and sort of non offensive reason could be that, man,

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Speaker 2: we were really close and we're almost there. We just

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Speaker 1: Right. A good but offensive reason is because someone farted

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Speaker 2: or you don't get money taken away. Just keep like

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Speaker 2: operate as usual.

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Speaker 1: Right, you can't increase spending. You can spend differently or whatever,

443
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Speaker 1: but you can't spend above the levels of the previous

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Speaker 1: fiscal year. No, you're you're currently in right, that's right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think a continuing resolution, whether it's

446
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Speaker 1: one for a day or for a year, and there

447
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Speaker 1: have been ones that have been like year long continuing resolution.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no limit. You can pass them forever long

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Speaker 2: you think you need.

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Speaker 1: Right. It does show that negotiations are still ongoing. They

451
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Speaker 1: haven't broken down, they just haven't reached the point where

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Speaker 1: they're in agreement yet.

453
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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: The problem comes when they stop issuing continuing resolutions.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Day through. In a few pretty cool facts here,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty six continuing resolutions have been since

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven, and one hundred and seventeen or those

458
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Speaker 2: of those, or those have been since nineteen ninety eight. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so it's taken them one hundred and seventeen times that

460
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Speaker 2: they could not work it out since nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it is but if you think about it,

463
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Speaker 1: the it's about evenly split. Well, no, it's not evenly split.

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Speaker 1: It's like seventy to I think sixty nine to one

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen over two twenty year periods. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it does seem to be getting worse, But that's

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Speaker 1: kind of lopsided because in twentyd and one there were

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Speaker 1: twenty one of that one hundred and seventeen. Yeah, twenty

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Speaker 1: one of them all came in two thousand and one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I'm not quite sure about this, but I wonder

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Speaker 1: is the a number and increase in continuing resolutions? Is

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Speaker 1: that like a barometer for government or how government's working.

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Speaker 2: Uh? I don't know, because.

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Speaker 1: I wonder because I mean, ideally, like they would get

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Speaker 1: all this done by the October first deadline every time.

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Speaker 2: Well it depends because as this points out, like sometimes

477
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Speaker 2: it is over the weekend and it's just a few

478
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Speaker 2: days and they're like really close to having it worked out.

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Speaker 2: So to me, that's not the biggest deal in the world.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean the government isn't functioning well, right, I

481
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Speaker 2: mean as well as it ever does, sure, am I right? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But like in two thousand and seven, eleven and thirteen,

483
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Speaker 2: they were all year long. There were no appropriation spills.

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Speaker 1: Right, they just said we're just going to repeat last.

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Speaker 2: Year, or no real appropriation spills, I guess right.

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Speaker 1: They just they just said, remember the spending levels from before.

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Speaker 1: Go with god, that's what you got again this year.

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Speaker 2: Because that means agree, Yeah, that's when things are bad.

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Speaker 1: So continuing resolutions too, like it doesn't affect spending levels

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Speaker 1: or it doesn't increase them. It can't, I wonder. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it can decrease them or not. I know,

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Speaker 1: you it just basically says same spending levels last year,

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Speaker 1: so maybe it can't decrease them either.

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Speaker 2: I think can't decrease. I think it's just your current

495
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Speaker 2: funding is locked.

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Speaker 1: Right, But you can attach writers onto continuing resolutions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these policy writers, those can be like the make

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Speaker 2: or break. And if it's clean, which I don't know

499
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Speaker 2: how often that happens. I'd be curious to see a stat.

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Speaker 2: But if it's a clean policy writer, that means it

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Speaker 2: has nothing else, or a clean.

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Speaker 1: CR CR it doesn't have any policy writer, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of times though, if there's a policy

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Speaker 1: writer on a CR, it might be like, Okay, we

505
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Speaker 1: can't come to an agreement about medicaid funding abortion that

506
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Speaker 1: was a big one in the nineteen seventies. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: in this same appropriations bill that we're haggling over, there's

508
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Speaker 1: this other thing that's like super critical. It's like local

509
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Speaker 1: hospitals aren't going to get any n Q funding and

510
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Speaker 1: it's about to run out. So we need to increase

511
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Speaker 1: the NQ funding for low local hospitals, and we'll attach

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Speaker 1: that as a policy writer to this continuing resolution because

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Speaker 1: this is kind of an emergency and it doesn't really

514
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Speaker 1: have anything to do with the contentious part that that's

515
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Speaker 1: keeping the policy or the appropriations bill from being passed. Right,

516
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Speaker 1: So that's I think usually what happens with that.

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Speaker 2: You know what show really nails this stuff is Veep.

518
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

519
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Speaker 2: For all it's like, you know, comedy and funny stuff.

520
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: It seems like they really nail kind of what it's

521
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Speaker 2: like in Washington. Sure, because there's a lot of talk

522
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Speaker 2: of this kind of stuff. Yeah, clean bills and writers

523
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: and who's on whose side and can we sway this

524
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Speaker 2: one person in our darker side?

525
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of just dirty, dirty language.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, god man, Julie Louis drive us.

527
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Speaker 1: She is a She's an international treasure totally.

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Speaker 2: At one interaction with her briefly when in La and

529
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Speaker 2: my friend's building in Los Philos, the Hollymont Building. He

530
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Speaker 2: lived there, Scotty, you know, Scotty sure, and we had

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Speaker 2: a case of beer and a pizza and some snacks

532
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Speaker 2: and we were going.

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Speaker 1: She showed up, is like, where's the party.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's sort of what happened. We were going up

535
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Speaker 2: in the front of the building and she was shooting

536
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Speaker 2: New Adventures of Old Christine right there at the entrance,

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Speaker 2: and we literally walked by her and they were like

538
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Speaker 2: putting on her makeup, like right in front of They

539
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: were right about to go, and she said, who are

540
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Speaker 2: those guys? I want to go with them? Where are

541
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Speaker 2: you guys going? And of course we were like, come

542
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Speaker 2: on up.

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Speaker 1: That's cool.

544
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Speaker 2: And then an electrician knocked on our door and asked

545
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Speaker 2: to put a light in his apartment shining out the window.

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Speaker 1: How much did you charge them?

547
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't. We were just like, come on in.

548
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Speaker 1: And then Eric Estrada showed up and arrested you.

549
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Speaker 2: All right, so where are we here?

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Speaker 1: So I'll tell you where we left off, Chuck, we

551
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Speaker 1: left off with continuing resolutions.

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Speaker 2: Temporary funding.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Eventually if a position is contentious enough about some

554
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Speaker 1: part of the budget, right, and very rarely is it

555
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Speaker 1: something is it something financial necessarily like it has to

556
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Speaker 1: do with finances because it's in the budget. But typically

557
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Speaker 1: it's something more political than that, like the idea of

558
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Speaker 1: medicaid funding abortions.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy seven, in nineteen seventy eight, there were

561
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Speaker 1: there impasses were reached where they could not come to

562
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Speaker 1: an agreement on using medicaid to fund abortions, federal dollars

563
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Speaker 1: to fund abortions. Right, that's right, very contentious issue. Yes,

564
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Speaker 1: it had to do with money, it had to do

565
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Speaker 1: with finances, medicaid funding, but really it was about the

566
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Speaker 1: social issue. Is cultural issue abortion? Yeah, that's usually the

567
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Speaker 1: kind of the kind of political impass or divide that

568
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Speaker 1: it takes to really reach a point where one side says,

569
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't even agree to this continuing resolution anymore,

570
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Speaker 1: just forget it, we're done.

571
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It seems like it's usually something that is so

572
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Speaker 2: important to that either president or party or both, that

573
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Speaker 2: they feel like it's worth digging in and a lot

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Speaker 2: of times that has to do Sometimes that has to

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Speaker 2: do with the thing itself, but sometimes it has to

576
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Speaker 2: do with the perception of that thing to your voting base.

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Speaker 1: Sure that's part of it too, But I mean we're

578
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: talking politicians here. I think you could have just said

579
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: the last part, you know, that's true.

580
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what happens when they failed to pass that

581
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: appropriations bill and they're not talking, You're going to get

582
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Speaker 2: a funding gap and that doesn't necessarily lead to a

583
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Speaker 2: shutdown either.

584
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Speaker 1: Can we please get to the shutdown?

585
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Speaker 2: Well, since nineteen eighty one, more than half of the

586
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Speaker 2: funding gaps lasted just a few days. When I talked

587
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Speaker 2: about solving it over the weekend, a lot of times

588
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: that will happen over the weekend. And if it's less

589
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Speaker 2: than a few days, that means no one had to

590
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Speaker 2: sit out work or whatever. It was furloughed.

591
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: Right, So technically the government was shut down, but no

592
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Speaker 1: one noticed because it happened on days when the federal

593
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Speaker 1: government isn't open anyway.

594
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and until nineteen eighty one, they were actually allowed

595
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Speaker 2: to keep operating, but the Reagan administration changed all that.

596
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the name Benjamin Civiletti Chivoletti technically an

597
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: Italian to be hit because a C followed by a

598
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: vowel makes a chies sound.

599
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Speaker 2: Did you know that I do, and I don't remember

600
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: this guy.

601
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Speaker 1: I don't either.

602
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: I mean we were young and probably too young to

603
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Speaker 2: really know about attorney.

604
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Speaker 1: General going and reckless.

605
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: Like I knew the president, the Vice president, sure, and

606
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Speaker 2: maybe the Speaker of the House or something.

607
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Speaker 1: First attorney general I was cognizant of was Wen Mess

608
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Speaker 1: wasn't he or was he state? I don't even know

609
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Speaker 1: he was the first cabinet member. I was aware of

610
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Speaker 1: Edwin Meese yea. I know Mees because I think they

611
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Speaker 1: made fun him in Mad magazine that showed him like

612
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Speaker 1: getting hit by a mouse trap or something, because he

613
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Speaker 1: was a MEAs.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of how I was exposed to politics too, Mad,

615
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Speaker 2: I think, so. Sure, Yeah, I.

616
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Speaker 1: Knew all about Spiro Agnew. Even though I knew who he.

617
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Speaker 2: Was, I still don't really know who he was.

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Speaker 1: There's this great Simpsons quote where Millhouse and Barter looking

619
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Speaker 1: at a Mad magazine They're like, they're making fun of

620
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Speaker 1: that Spiro Agnew guy. Again. He must work there or something.

621
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Speaker 1: And I remember thinking like, I guess Spiro Agnew works

622
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: there because to skewer like the publisher too, So I

623
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: just thought Spiro Agnew was one of them.

624
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Speaker 2: I think it's a funny name too, and sure comedy circles. Yeah,

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00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: that's a good one. Yes. Attorney General Benjamin Cibeletti, he

626
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Speaker 2: was Reagan's ag and he said it is not constitutional

627
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Speaker 2: to keep spending money without congressional approval, which is what's

628
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Speaker 2: happening when you say we'll go ahead and keep working

629
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Speaker 2: federal government. So he I mean they kind of made

630
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Speaker 2: shutdowns happen.

631
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it was like, okay, we're shut down. Haha,

632
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: We're still discontinuing on like normal, right until CHIVALLETTI said, well,

633
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Speaker 1: remember that Anti Deficiency Act. That's actually for real, And

634
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Speaker 1: I saw somewhere that it like they actually enforced that,

635
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: and like federal agencies are are frequently fined for violating

636
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Speaker 1: these things like going into contracts or hiring people when

637
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: they don't really have the money for it. Yeah, I

638
00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: saw somewhere the SEC got an eight hundred million dollars

639
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: or fine ones for it. Couldn't find it anywhere else,

640
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: but it was a spectacular enough number to at least

641
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: mention it. Yeah, So Chivoletti really changed the rules for shutdowns,

642
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: because before, if the government shut down but the government

643
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: still functioned, it was almost more of like a what's

644
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for, ceremonial kind of thing. It

645
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: didn't really mean anything. It was symbolic, symbolic.

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00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Once Ciboletti said no, no, we actually can't stay open during

648
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Speaker 1: a shutdown, that made the whole thing way more politically risky,

649
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Speaker 1: and so they stopped happening nearly as frequently from that

650
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Speaker 1: point on.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Things have changed since then tremendously, and there

652
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Speaker 2: have been four times and sort of recently where people

653
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Speaker 2: really dug in and there were what we would call

654
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Speaker 2: major shutdowns. The Winner of ninety five ninety six, there

655
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Speaker 2: were two shutdowns because of Bill Clinton being a Democrat

656
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Speaker 2: and Newt Gingrich hating his guts. He was a House

657
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Speaker 2: Speaker at the time and the Republican controlled Congress, and

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Speaker 2: Newt was all about the Contract for America, which basically

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Speaker 2: was small government, lowering.

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Speaker 1: Taxes, really sticking it to the poor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like really higher restrictions on or more strict restrictions

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Speaker 2: on welfare recipients. So he and Bill Clinton went at

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Speaker 2: it for a long time.

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Speaker 1: They really did, and I mean like each side was

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Speaker 1: dug in and Gingrich was trying to shove that contract

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Speaker 1: with America down Clinton's throat. It's not what Clinton's policies were,

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Speaker 1: and Clinton said no, and neither side would give. And finally,

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Speaker 1: this is how shutdowns usually get resolved. They start doing

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Speaker 1: polls of the American public and say who do you

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Speaker 1: blame for this? And almost invariably the public says, Congress,

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Speaker 1: this is Congress's fault, that the that the country is

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Speaker 1: just being weakened right now by this government shut down.

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Speaker 1: And then Congress.

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Speaker 2: Reliance, and that's what happened for those two. Both of

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Speaker 2: the shutdowns were combined twenty six days, and Republicans in

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Speaker 2: the Congress were to blame, according to American people and

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Speaker 2: polling numbers at least, so you know, they said.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, fine, fine, we'll try to get you impeached instead.

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Speaker 2: Should we talk about twenty thirteen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember this one really clearly.

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Speaker 2: That's right, President Barack Obama. Republicans in Congress again, Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 1: Like almost single handedly shut the government down, if I

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Speaker 1: remember it correctly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he passed a bill that Republicans were very upset

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Speaker 2: about the Affordable Care Act, and he did all he

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Speaker 2: could to defund that, basically defund what was later to

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Speaker 2: be known as Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: And he was like leading a kind of a rogue

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Speaker 1: faction of Tea Party Republicans because John Bayinner was the

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Speaker 1: speaker at the time, and he was a traditional conservative Republican,

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Speaker 1: and I believe he was on board too, just at

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Speaker 1: least with continuing resolutions to keep the negotiations going. And

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Speaker 1: I remember Ted Cruz just being like, nope, I'm shutting

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Speaker 1: the government down. And it was a ballsy move.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you that, that's right, And that lasted sixteen days.

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred thousand federal workers were furloughed, which we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about what that means here in a minute. But again,

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Speaker 2: public polling and public outcry was against the Republicans at

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Speaker 2: the time, and they said, all right, we'll pass a

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Speaker 2: CR and let's change some things about the Affordable Care Act,

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Speaker 2: but we will pass a CR.

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Speaker 1: Right. They basically got some minor changes, I think a

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Speaker 1: big one with the biggest concession they got was that

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Speaker 1: there would be income verification for people who were applying

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Speaker 1: for Obamacare.

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Speaker 2: That's right. We should talk about the most recent shutdown as.

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Speaker 1: Well, twenty eighteen nineteen. I remember this one too like

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Speaker 1: it was yesterday.

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Speaker 2: It basically was yesterday. And this was obviously when Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump said I want a border wall and I want

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Speaker 2: five billion dollars to get this thing going, and Democrats said, no,

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Speaker 2: you're not, and they had a meeting on TV which

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Speaker 2: was really weird. Oh, and Chuck Schumer trick to Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump into taking responsibility for the shutdown.

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Speaker 1: Did Schumer do it? I thought he just, like, out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere asserted it.

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Speaker 2: I thought. I remember Schumer sort of tricking him in

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Speaker 2: the room into sort of claiming ownership, almost like a dare.

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Speaker 2: And Trump was sort of like, yeah, it's my shutdown.

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Speaker 2: Oh really because it is important. Yeah, And you know

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Speaker 2: you could see Schumer kind of laughing like, oh, I

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Speaker 2: don't think he even understands what he just said.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure the Republicans were like, I can't believe

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Speaker 1: you just said that.

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Speaker 2: That's right. And there was a partial shutdown on December

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Speaker 2: twenty second that ran for a historically long thirty five days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The previous one in twenty thirteen was sixteen days.

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Speaker 1: The previous record was the ninety five ninety six one

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Speaker 1: combined for twenty six days.

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Speaker 2: Those are two.

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Speaker 1: This is thirty five days.

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Speaker 2: Over Christmas in New Year's which was a tough time

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Speaker 2: to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was because again the deadline is October first,

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Speaker 1: so they had created continuing resolutions from October first or

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Speaker 1: September thirtieth on to December twenty second, and then finally

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Speaker 1: on December twenty second. I remember this. Trump had been

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Speaker 1: signaling that he was willing to give and I guess

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Speaker 1: at least keep negotiating continuing resolutions, and and Coulter, that's right,

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Speaker 1: expressed on Trump's behalf that she would not be giving

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Speaker 1: on this position, forgot about it, and that the government

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Speaker 1: shutdown would go on. And Cultures basically single handedly forced

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Speaker 1: this government shutdown because she said, if you give on

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Speaker 1: this like we're done, I will vote against you at

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Speaker 1: the polls. Make sure nobody else does. And that's when

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Speaker 1: Trump's will was bolstered tremendously, and that's when the government

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Speaker 1: shutdown happened. That's right, You want to take a break. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how many people are still listening to this?

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Speaker 2: Do you think roughly seventy percent?

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back, okay, Chuck, So.

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Speaker 2: Well, we should we left a cliffhanger. The government was

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Speaker 2: shut down when we left.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it came back.

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Speaker 2: It came back after how long?

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: Thirty five days later, on January twenty fifth, Trump called

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Speaker 2: off that shutdown without that funding for the border wall,

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Speaker 2: again because public perception was swayed not in his favor.

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Speaker 1: Right, which is rare. Again, every single one of these shutdowns,

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Speaker 1: everyone said it was Congress's fault. With this one, they

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Speaker 1: said it was the president's fault. Surely that at least

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Speaker 1: partially had to do with him claiming on TV that

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Speaker 1: it was his responsibility for shutting down the government.

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Speaker 2: That didn't last long though, because I remember, and it

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Speaker 2: gets so just childlike and snippy. But with the tweets

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Speaker 2: from both sides calling it the Trump shut down, Trump

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Speaker 2: calling it the Schumer Pelosi shutdown, trying to hashtag these

768
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Speaker 2: things see what's trending, it's all just so ridiculous, it

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Speaker 2: is Twitter.

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Speaker 1: So the shutdown ended, and like you said, Trump didn't

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Speaker 1: get that five billion dollars for the wall. I think

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Speaker 1: they ultimately added like one point six billion for border security,

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Speaker 1: but nothing specifically for that wall.

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Speaker 2: Right, and the Democrats started saying, well, like, let's a

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Speaker 2: really defined wall.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I remember that. But what people like to

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Speaker 1: point out is, not only did Trump not get that

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Speaker 1: five billion dollars, but America lost at least eleven billion dollars,

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Speaker 1: yeah right during this shutdown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of income.

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Speaker 1: Right, So there's a real economic cost of government shutdowns. Basically, everyone,

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Speaker 1: I don't care whether you're a Republican. Stuff you should know, listener,

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Speaker 1: A Democrat stuff you should know, listener, An anarchist stuff

784
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Speaker 1: you should know, a listener, A centrist stuff you should know, listener,

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You should be really mad at your government

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Speaker 1: whenever there's a shutdown. That's right, because it is holding

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Speaker 1: people's jobs hostage. Yes, millions of people depend directly on

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Speaker 1: the federal government for their paycheck, and during a shutdown,

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Speaker 1: you don't get a paycheck. Some people even have to work.

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Speaker 1: But the people who don't have to work not only

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Speaker 1: don't get a paycheck, they will never get that money

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Speaker 1: for the work that they missed against their own will

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Speaker 1: during that shutdown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you can apply for back pay, is that right?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: You can't. No for who, no one can.

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Speaker 1: No. If you worked during the shutdown.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: You can get retroactive pay. Congress has to approve it,

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Speaker 1: but you had to have been working. It had to

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Speaker 1: have been in a sense.

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Speaker 2: So you can't get back pay for furload time.

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Speaker 1: No, okay, it's just gone forever. So people who were

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Speaker 1: out of work, who are federal workers, I think about

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Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand of them during the twenty eighteen nineteen shutdown,

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Speaker 1: the Trump Schumer Pelosi shutdown, they didn't They went without

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Speaker 1: pay for thirty five days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, three hundred and eighty thousand of the eight hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand federal workers actually had to stop working. That's almost

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Speaker 2: every bit of NASA, hud Housing, Urban Development staff, eighty

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Speaker 2: percent of National Park Service, fifty thousand workers at the IRS,

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Speaker 2: and then the other four hundred and twenty thousand that

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Speaker 2: they deemed essential. They still worked, and I believe they're

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Speaker 2: the ones that could apply, but they aren't guaranteed that

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Speaker 2: money though. Right.

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Speaker 1: No, Again, Congress has to vote, and usually as part

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Speaker 1: of a shutdown, just to kind of like get public

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Speaker 1: perception in Congress's favor, Congress will hold a vote right

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Speaker 1: and almost nearly almost every time, nearly unanimously for retroactive

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Speaker 1: pay when this thing's over. The problem is is again

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Speaker 1: those people who aren't working during that time, whose jobs

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Speaker 1: are deemed non essential, they'll never get that money, right,

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Speaker 1: they just don't get it.

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Speaker 2: And that I mean if you'd project it to your

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Speaker 2: future retirement, like, that's money that you're not investing a

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Speaker 2: you're not buying things with it, right, So you're not

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Speaker 2: helping the American economy.

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Speaker 1: Especially during the holidays is last time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not investing in the stock market, you're not

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Speaker 2: taking care of your retirement. So it has these ripple

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Speaker 2: effects that last, you know, months and years.

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Speaker 1: So just to get a little bit back to the

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Speaker 1: nuts and bolts of all this, it's not like every

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Speaker 1: time there's a government shut down, the same agency of

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Speaker 1: the same people are affected in exactly the same way.

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Speaker 1: Each shutdown is different because do you remember how there's

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Speaker 1: twelve different appropriations bills that have to go to the president.

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Speaker 1: Some of those can be passed and signed sure before

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Speaker 1: the shutdown ever happened. If that happens and your agency

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Speaker 1: was in one of those appropriations bills, it's like every

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Speaker 1: other Tuesday or Wednesday for you during the shutdown.

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Speaker 2: Right, But you can straddle those agencies and they can

843
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Speaker 2: be split, and that can get weird.

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Speaker 1: It can well like a good example of it getting

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Speaker 1: weird is when this past one happened, the Coast Guard,

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Speaker 1: which falls under the Homeland Security slice of the pie.

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Speaker 1: The Homeland Security hadn't been funded yet, so the Coast

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Speaker 1: Guard had to keep its operations going without pay, while

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Speaker 1: the rest of the military the other four branches were

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Speaker 1: just operating as normally because the Defense Appropriations bill had

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Speaker 1: already been passed before the shutdown. That's right, So depending

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Speaker 1: on which bills have already been passed, some groups are working,

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Speaker 1: some groups aren't. And even in each agency where the

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Speaker 1: funding hasn't been appropriated for this coming year, there will

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Speaker 1: be some people who will be working and others who aren't.

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Speaker 1: And it's up to each agency during a shutdown to say,

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Speaker 1: this is how we're going to function during this This

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Speaker 1: is the jobs that have to be carried out whether

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Speaker 1: the government's open or not. And these are the people

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Speaker 1: who can be sent home without ever hopeful, without any

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Speaker 1: hopes have ever been getting paid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you see A you see the thing coming,

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Speaker 2: so it's not like a big surprise, but b you

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Speaker 2: have this sort of plan already in place. It's called

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Speaker 2: you submit it actually to the Office of Management and

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Speaker 2: Budget and you coordinate with them rather and that's where

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Speaker 2: you know, you got to lay out your plan, like

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Speaker 2: they know it's coming and so they gotta plan accordingly.

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Speaker 2: And like I remember, I have friends that worked with

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Speaker 2: the federal government at the CDC in places like that,

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Speaker 2: and you know, they watch the stuff really closely shared.

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Speaker 2: Some of them were furloughed and you know, went thirty

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Speaker 2: five days without a paycheck.

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Speaker 1: Right, And there's so there's that personal level where you

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Speaker 1: missed rent that that month. I can't remember who was

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Speaker 1: at Wilbur Ross. One of the cabinet members was like, go,

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Speaker 1: you know, go take up a craft and or a

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Speaker 1: hobby and turn that into like money to pay your

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Speaker 1: rent or just something some unsolicited advice that no one

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Speaker 1: wanted to hear them. Yeah, So get on Etsy if

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Speaker 1: you are, if you are in that position, like, yes,

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Speaker 1: you missed rent, you missed your car payment, you missed

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Speaker 1: like all sorts of stuff. Even if you're not a

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Speaker 1: federal employee, you're still probably affected in one way or another.

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Speaker 1: And the longer that a shutdown goes on, the more

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Speaker 1: and more people are affected everybody, from people who are

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Speaker 1: trying to get their passport application pushed through, to people

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Speaker 1: who are supplemental nutrition program recipients, welfare recipients, food stamps,

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Speaker 1: children's morning breakfast programs, like all these things start to

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Speaker 1: run out of funding and they get affected, and more

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Speaker 1: and more people start to be directly impacted by these

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Speaker 1: shutdowns the longer they go on.

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Speaker 2: Sure the FDA food inspections can be curtailed, and in fact,

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Speaker 2: during long shutdowns there are safety experts that say, you

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Speaker 2: might want to steer clear of fresh food right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't eat like that bag of romaine lettuce, especially

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Speaker 1: if you're pregnant or something.

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Speaker 2: Or let me see. The National Park Service this was

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Speaker 2: a big win. During the last shutdown, I think they

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Speaker 2: some parks were closed all together.

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Speaker 1: That's how they did it. In twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a big one. They lost seventy six

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Speaker 2: million bucks a day and lost revenue for the National

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Speaker 2: Park Service. But this most recent when some of them

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Speaker 2: were shut down, some of them were kept open but

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Speaker 2: not staffed, so very famously that was I think it

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Speaker 2: was a Joshua tree where they damaged like irreparable damage

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Speaker 2: to some of the Joshua trees.

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Speaker 1: Somebody cut down at least one Joshua tree, which takes

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Speaker 1: centuries to grow, Yeah, so that they could drive their

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Speaker 1: off road vehicle in an area where you're not supposed

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Speaker 1: to drive an off road vehicle, so they could get

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Speaker 1: to it. They cut down a Joshua tree, and that

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Speaker 1: became kind of symbolic for that last yeah, last shutdown.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a range of problems that range from

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Speaker 2: inconveniences to not getting paid. But you know, imagine coming

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Speaker 2: from another country and planning this thing for a year.

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Speaker 2: You put all this money into a trip to come

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Speaker 2: see the greatest places in the United States. Sure, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm from wherever. I'm German, Germany, I was gonna say Germany,

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Speaker 2: and I want to go see the most beautiful things

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Speaker 2: in America. I want to go to the Grand Canyon

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Speaker 2: in Yellowstone. And I've had this trip paid for and

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Speaker 2: planned and it's not refundable.

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Speaker 1: All right, what do you mean Mount Rushmore's closed. I

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Speaker 1: can see it right there.

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Speaker 2: It's closed. Well yeah, sorry, Franz, Sorry, go see. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what else is around there, not.

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Speaker 1: Much, No, there's nothing. That's kind of the point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you go see Van Nostron's childhood birthplace right.

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Speaker 2: And again these are seemingly like if you ask the

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Speaker 2: federal government, they they're like, who cares about that minor inconvenience.

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Speaker 1: Well, there was one thing that I came across that

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Speaker 1: I found particularly scummy. Chuck during government shutdowns, when other

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Speaker 1: people who are working are not getting paychecks.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Some congress people still get theirs. All congress people do,

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Speaker 1: but some have the wherewithal to be like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: taking any pay during this shutdown, right, Like maybe I'll

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Speaker 1: get it retroactively, that's fine, but you just hang on

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Speaker 1: to my paycheck. Other congress people are like, yeah, keep

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Speaker 1: the money coming, I need it, which is that's super

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Speaker 1: scummy to me. Other people are out of work or

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Speaker 1: working and not getting paid, like the TSA famously had

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Speaker 1: to work and whether they wanted to or not, and

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Speaker 1: they didn't.

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Speaker 2: Get paid, or they're calling and sick, they.

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Speaker 1: Should yeah, they should not be. Congress should not be

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Speaker 1: getting a paycheck during that time because it's Congress's fault.

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Speaker 2: I know. I think they said that TSA employee is

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Speaker 2: about ten percent at one point, we're calling in sick

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Speaker 2: every day. Yeah, after a little while.

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Speaker 1: You remember that. Yeah, it was not a good time

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Speaker 1: to travel.

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Speaker 2: And that's an inconvenience people flying Yep, taken longer.

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Speaker 1: When's the next one coming, Chuck, That's what everyone wants

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Speaker 1: to know.

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Speaker 2: October second.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep an ear up for it. In the meantime.

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Speaker 1: Now you know everything there is to know about government shutdowns.

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Speaker 1: There's more little interesting details, but if you want to

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Speaker 1: know about them, you can be a saucy boy or

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Speaker 1: girl and look it up on the internet. And since

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Speaker 1: I said saucy, it's time for listener mail.

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Speaker 2: We have a couple of corrections. We haven't done these

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Speaker 2: in a while. We haven't made mistakes in years. These

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Speaker 2: are both yours, not to file on. Hey, guys, I

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Speaker 2: want to point out that Donald Trump spoke to the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister of Sweden Stefan Levvin about the arrest of

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Speaker 2: Aesop Rocky, not the king.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody was really making a lot of noise about

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Speaker 1: that over here because I got it wrong. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And he said, I would not have even sent this

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Speaker 2: email if Josh hadn't have finished that story with this

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Speaker 2: is reality. What I just said is actual facts.

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Speaker 1: It was close enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a slip at the time.

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Speaker 1: Facts are the lower case F.

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Speaker 2: And that is from Humpus bove Jerg. What try that again,

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Speaker 2: Humpus bove Jerg.

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Speaker 1: Let me see, there's a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of consonants in there. I'm sure some of those

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Speaker 2: are quite silent.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I think you nailed it. But you forget the

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Speaker 1: grip as that his last name. I think Bob Jerg

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Speaker 1: is the middle name of Thompus Sompus grip.

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Speaker 2: And I love that he put swede in parentheses, as

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Speaker 2: if I had to see that. And then the other

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Speaker 2: one was a math thing, and I'm kind of curious

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Speaker 2: about this one nuclear semiotics. Josh said, nine thousand seconds

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Speaker 2: is four hundred and forty six days. He said, it's

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Speaker 2: one hundred and four days, And he said, I know

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Speaker 2: you guys are busy in recording and performing calculations, he said,

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Speaker 2: but I'm really curious just where that number came from.

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Speaker 2: He said, because no combination of multiplying dividing nine million

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Speaker 2: by sixty or twenty four yield for sixty six. And

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Speaker 2: I'm really just curious. You guys do a great job.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for everything, Joey Russo.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Joey. I think that that number was where my

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Speaker 1: fat thumb and sire you got together and had a baby.

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Speaker 1: That's where I think that four forty sixteen from gotcha.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure right after you said that, I went,

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Speaker 2: uh huh, that's right. Yeah, So I'm equally to.

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Speaker 1: Blaine, thank you Chuck for taking that for the team. Sure,

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Speaker 1: team Josh. If you want to get in touch with

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Speaker 1: us to let us know what kind of mistakes I've

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Speaker 1: been making left and right and Chuck's been abiding. We

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