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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 2: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 2: for day Edith state is that whoo whoom?

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Speaker 1: And then and tie Danner Rob and see. Last episode

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Speaker 1: was ACC Part one, where we did the big picture thing,

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Speaker 1: looked at contender tiers, talked about storylines, had a little

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Speaker 1: cream thing. I just I don't I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that's for me. But alas we're back today. It is

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Speaker 1: part one of our ACC team previews. So what we

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Speaker 1: did last episode higher level. Today we are diving in

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Speaker 1: the contender tier at the very top, the rebuilding tier

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Speaker 1: at the bottom. Next episode will be all the wild

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Speaker 1: Sound like a plan, sir.

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Speaker 2: Our delicious Ham episode is part three. You're a Ham,

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Speaker 2: You're delicious, a little bit mysterious, but we're very excited

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Speaker 2: to learn more. Yeah, that's all sounds correct. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to give too many free plugs to any specific

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Speaker 2: ice cream brand, so greaters just start dropping new ones

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Speaker 2: very excited. I don't know what the premiere ACC centric

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Speaker 2: wherever you may be. But beyond that, this is gonna

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Speaker 2: be a great This is our bookend episode of the

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Speaker 2: and perhaps competing to play in the championship game, also

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Speaker 2: for interesting reasons.

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Speaker 1: Also for interesting reasons. So we get a little bit

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Speaker 1: from column A, a little bit from column be Yes,

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Speaker 1: the episode that we do next will be all the

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Speaker 1: hit fall. Hit subscribes that you don't miss any of

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Speaker 1: the episodes again, dropping thrice weekly now Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 1: as we've done for years on this show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mitch, Mitch, James Headfield. James Headfield, I say, Mitch,

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Speaker 1: all right, I am excited to get started. We do

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Speaker 1: have the Lorenzo Lamas sounds here, who apparently now is

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Speaker 2: It it brought a light to the Lorenzo Lamas situation

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Speaker 2: But yes, Lorenzo Lamis is officially back in the portal.

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Speaker 1: This is not what we intended when we said the

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Speaker 1: I think this year, having like a Joe Moore caliber

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Speaker 1: entire preview if you want.

434
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Speaker 2: But we talked about this though when we did when

435
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Speaker 2: we did our Miami show, Yeah.

436
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Speaker 1: We did. That was a big flaw for this team

437
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: last season under Lance Gidry, who you also might be

438
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Speaker 1: surprised to learn likes running and attacking aggressive defense, but

439
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: of course he tended to put a lot of his

440
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: stress on the safeties to be in the right spot TLDR.

441
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Speaker 1: There were a lot of blown coverages last year. I

442
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Speaker 1: think that demonstrate that communication was definitely lacking. So that

443
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Speaker 1: I think is job one from Afar. As I report

444
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Speaker 1: to you a Miami preview, not having seen any of

445
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Speaker 1: the spring practices, I think they got to get the

446
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: communication issues sorted out. I do think the defense will

447
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: be fine. I actually think the defense gets better. So

448
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: my read on Miami defense, better offense a little bit

449
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: slower and slightly worse. I do not see them beating

450
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: Notre Dame in week one. I don't see them beating

451
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: Florida in Week four.

452
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Speaker 2: That's a Sunday night the Notre Dame one.

453
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Speaker 1: Sunday night game, correct, Yeah, Labor Day weekend.

454
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Speaker 2: CONTINUE could see.

455
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: Them losing to a team like a Louisville. I do

456
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Speaker 1: think they're losing to Pitt to close out the year

457
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Speaker 1: because I'm just like Pitt super fan number one here.

458
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: I've got Miami at like nine and three or eight

459
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Speaker 1: and four this year.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, just with the the losable games

461
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: that they put on on film last year and the

462
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: games they actually did lose, with what they were advantaged

463
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Speaker 2: with on offense, and as you mentioned, disadvantage with on defense.

464
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 2: I think the defense is gonna be better. So the

465
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Speaker 2: question is if they have a good but not all

466
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Speaker 2: time Miami offense, which is what they were last year.

467
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: They were the number one offense in America, cam Ward

468
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 2: bringing back Shannon Dawson of course to run that offense,

469
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Speaker 2: and if the defense is noticeably better. I don't know

470
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Speaker 2: what that ceiling looks like, but you know, you'd think

471
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: they'd be healthier along the defensive line experience at linebacker.

472
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: They went into the portal, especially for the back end

473
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Speaker 2: of the secondary, made change at defensive coordinator, which a

474
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Speaker 2: lot of people are optimistic about. So if they're a

475
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: top forty defense, right say, and they're a top twenty offense,

476
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Speaker 2: which I think is reasonable depending on we haven't talked

477
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Speaker 2: about replacing their top four pass catchers. We talked about

478
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: Xavier Ostreppo, but it's also you know, Jacoby George guys

479
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: like that. They're going to count on youth, especially like

480
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: what cam Ward was able to count on with how

481
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: deep they were at tight end, and no longer are

482
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Speaker 2: in the same way as they were last season with

483
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Speaker 2: Elijah Royo. And I think cam McCormick has finally exhausted

484
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: his eligibility his ninth year. Yeah, there's just a lot

485
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: of questions there. So the offense is going to fall

486
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 2: a little bit, of course, and the defense should come up.

487
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: I think they're ten and twoish. Again, I think there

488
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: may be probably I think if you were going to

489
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Speaker 2: say you feel better about Notre Dame on the road

490
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: to open that season August in South Florida, Okay, that's fine.

491
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: Notre Dame was playing for a national championship last year.

492
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: Miami very much was not. But CJ. Carr's first game

493
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Speaker 2: starting South Florida, Notre Dame's gonna.

494
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Speaker 1: Win that game.

495
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: Okay, they're going to win that game. They came out

496
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: very impressively in a hostile environment to start the season

497
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: last year against A and M. So give Marcus Freeman credit.

498
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Speaker 2: He had that team ready to start the season.

499
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Speaker 1: Now, I think it could be lower scoring, sure, I

500
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: think it could be kind of ugly. I think if

501
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Speaker 1: it devolves into a game like that, it benefits Notre Dame.

502
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Speaker 2: Sure.

503
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Speaker 1: My money right now is on Notre Dame winning that game.

504
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: I think they're the better team.

505
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Speaker 2: Okay, Miami started the season really nicely last year as well,

506
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: Like we should say they abuly literated. Well, it's not

507
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: just nine straight wins, it's early on going to Gainesville

508
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 2: in one of the probably three most electric environments in

509
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Speaker 2: the sport. I don't know why I said it like that,

510
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 2: but I stand by it. An obliterated the Gators. Yeah, okay,

511
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: and it wasn't a bad Florida team last year, so

512
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm somewhere in that nine and three,

513
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: ten and two range, but I think they'll get enough

514
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: of those key wins. The schedule sets up pretty nicely.

515
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: Mentioned that Louisville game. I think they have mutual buys

516
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: before that game. And so the quarterbacks face for this

517
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 2: Miami schedule are on the trickier side, but even still

518
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: because it's like DJ Lagway and Kevin Jennings and Kyrone

519
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 2: Drones and Miller Moss and obviously CJ Carr. We'll see

520
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: what Steve Vangeli and CJ. Bailey and Eli Holsteiner like.

521
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: But it seems like the floor is pretty high in

522
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Speaker 2: terms of quarterbacks faced in this moment. So I'm nine

523
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: and three, ten and two, what's the number? But the

524
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: Vegas nine nine and I would take the over.

525
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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I go, I'm under, but I think gets

526
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Speaker 1: right around the number. That's what they do.

527
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So here we are.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you wanted to talk about Miami, Yes, I want

529
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Speaker 1: to talk about Pitt. All right, let's if you listen

530
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: to the last episode. You know that I am all

531
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: in on Pitt. I've got Pitt making the ACC title game,

532
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: losing to Clemson. They're over. Under is six and a half.

533
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: This is a team that went seven and six last year.

534
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: Started seven and zero, finished zero and six. Yeah, they

535
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: ended up losing to SMU, Virginia, Clemson at Louisville at BC,

536
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: and Toledo in the game above Sports Bowl in a

537
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: game that went to six overtimes. I don't know if

538
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: you remember that. Yeah, they're right there with a MAC team. Yeah,

539
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: here's my case for Pitt. I will get through this

540
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: as quickly as I can.

541
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Speaker 2: I'm ready.

542
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: First off, something like fourteen returning starters did get off

543
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: to the great start last season, petered off down the

544
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: stretch for a variety of reasons, not the least of

545
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: which was injuries to Eli Holstein and Desried. Both are

546
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Speaker 1: back this season, as is Cade Bell, who enters now

547
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: his second season as Pitt's offensive coordinator. Bell was a

548
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: big talking point for US coming into last year because

549
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: you may recall, it was this circumstance where Paton Ardousey

550
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: needed to do something about the offense. The offense had

551
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: been really bad, and so he took a chance on

552
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: a young coordinator from like Western Carolina wanted to revamp

553
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: the offense went in a drastically different direction by hiring

554
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: Kate Bell. What we didn't know at the time is

555
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: what Pitt had with Eli Holstein, who was the quarterback

556
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: transferred off from Alabama. I think he's the real deal.

557
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: I really do. I understand your point from our last

558
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: episode that efficiency wise wasn't always there. But he can run,

559
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: he can throw. I think he's QB one through and through.

560
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: I think we can't overlook the fact that he hurt

561
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: his ankle had surgery for it this offseason. But before

562
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: he got hurt, it really felt like it was starting

563
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: to click for me. I think he's going to be

564
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: electric Dan if he can stay healthy. Okay, I think

565
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: he's going to be electric. I love the fact that

566
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Speaker 1: Pitt has a lot of experience along their offensive line.

567
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: They also need to stay healthy, which on a separate

568
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: point has been a real issue.

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Speaker 2: Oh the line was decimated last year.

570
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean offensive line health at Pitt is like

571
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: its own separate podcast series, not just an episode. So

572
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: they got to figure that out. Nar Dog's got to

573
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: come up with something on that front. But I like

574
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Speaker 1: the ingredients there with Holstein coming back with a line

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Speaker 1: that's got experience. Hopefully it can stay healthy. Hopefully Desrie

576
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: can stay healthy as well. That in and of itself,

577
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Speaker 1: I think paints a pretty interesting picture for what Pitt

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00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: can be on offense this season. So that's the first

579
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Speaker 1: reason I'm very high on the Panthers. Okay, the second

580
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: thing is I mentioned des Reed Desmond Reid. He's like

581
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: the ying to the Yang.

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Speaker 2: All Right.

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Speaker 1: If Pitt's gonna have a big year, it's gonna be

584
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: because Eli Holstein stays healthy and continues his development, and

585
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: also because a guy like Desrid runs for fifteen hundred

586
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: yards or something.

587
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: Right a lot.

588
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: It's not easy to get there. But I think it's

589
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna be those two guys powering this offense. I'd feel

590
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: better about the offense if there were a clear go

591
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: to guy out wide, but I think I hope those

592
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: guys will develop because cade Bell's back again. With both

593
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: these guys, I think Pitt's gonna have one of the

594
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: better offenses in the conference. Maybe not the best, maybe

595
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: not even as good as I am projecting, right, I

596
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 1: think at a baseline level, they're going to be pretty good,

597
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Speaker 1: and they're going to be easily in the top five

598
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Speaker 1: in the ACC.

599
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: How many seconds of gameplay from last year are they

600
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: away from comfortably missing a bowl game, so they need

601
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Speaker 2: every second to beat cal, Cincinnati and West Virginia, right, yeah, yeah,

602
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything you can be super proud about.

603
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: You should always be proud to beat your.

604
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Speaker 1: Rival in the backyard brawl in West Virginia. They go

605
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: to West Virginia this year, and you take those wins

606
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: eevery get them.

607
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: You take them how you can get them, of course,

608
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: and they gave away the Clemson game, right yep, they're

609
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: up late and k klub Nick dragged them to a

610
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: win Clemson. So my question is what is it about

611
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: this year's team? Maybe aside from you know, there's returning

612
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: experience in the offensive line, should be healthier, but the

613
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: best of Eli Holstein, which I thought was so fun,

614
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: and I thought the endings of these pit games were

615
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: so fun. I had a great time watching them. But

616
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: what is it about this team that was eventually with injuries.

617
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: When you have injuries and your team tanks, that means

618
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: your depth probably isn't where it needs to be. If

619
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Speaker 2: you are going to be Tis Latex salesman competing for

620
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: the ACC championship this season, sure, so the depth isn't there.

621
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Speaker 2: I don't see a clear Is there a clear number

622
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: one receiver that you're ready to be like, this is

623
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: the guy because they lose Kannata Mumpfield. No, no, there isn't.

624
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: Who was that guy last year?

625
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: There isn't.

626
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: So if we're saying offensive line needs to be better

627
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: and healthier, Eli Holstein needs to be better and healthier,

628
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: does read we know known commodity up front? They're in

629
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: a really good place. Did a great job stopping the

630
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: run last year, But still some questions on that back end,

631
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Speaker 2: especially against a pretty deep roster of quarterbacks on schedule.

632
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I pits in my view, Yeah, loaded

633
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: at linebacker. One of the stronger units in the country

634
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: at linebacker, which is a good starting Great. They look

635
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: good in the back.

636
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: To me, I'm not worried about that.

637
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: I think they look good in the back. I think

638
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: they're deeper upfront. I think the defense is going to

639
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: be fine. The wet blanket I have about this defense

640
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: is a pass rush, and this has been a talking

641
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: point the last couple of years now. The pass rush

642
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: pass rush we saw last season was not the pass

643
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: rush that we are used to seeing from Pitt. It

644
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: hasn't been that way for a couple of years running.

645
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: Now it feels like they need to find a way

646
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: to supercharge that aspect of their defense if they want

647
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: to get better. Now, this is where I tend to

648
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: give paton Ardouzy some credit. Okay, because he knows how

649
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: to feel the defense. I'd like a little bit more pressure,

650
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more pressure on the pass or if

651
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm being honest about this team, But I still tend

652
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: to give him a fair amount of a fair amount

653
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: of confidence when it comes to can he put a

654
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: defense out there that's going to be, you know, respectable.

655
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to detract from the overall project.

656
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: Here is what I'm saying.

657
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: I like that they have a buye before Louisville. There

658
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: are a couple of stretches here. The Florida State on

659
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: the road back to back with Syracuse on the road.

660
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: That's a travel monster situation. And then they get NC State.

661
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: So that's you know, three straight games with very different

662
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: styled teams, two of which on the road, and then

663
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: finishing Notre Dame at Georgia Tech and Miami. I know

664
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: you have them over Miami. I just think the run

665
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: it's a very stretchy schedule to me for PITT. Look,

666
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: they had bad injury luck last season. You know, the

667
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: universe tends to even itself out, so hopefully this is

668
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: a healthy team for twelve consecutive games. The non conference

669
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: isn't terrible outside of West Virginia. I just I don't know.

670
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: I look at the lack of obvious star power on

671
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: this team, and when we've seen the better PIT offenses,

672
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: and it is Kenny Pickett whatever, He's surrounded by guys

673
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: and he makes you know, guys into capitol g guys.

674
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: However you want to phrase it. And I'm just not

675
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: there with Eli Holstein yet. If you're talking about one

676
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: of the best two teams in the conference. I want depth,

677
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: I want obvious killers. I want there to be something

678
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: there for me to take a big bite out of.

679
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: And right now I'm just nibbling on PIT.

680
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: It's it's health and consistency, it's stay healthy, cut down

681
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: on the turnovers. I've got PIT at nine and three,

682
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: so I'm going way over that total.

683
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: I have eight and four.

684
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're a contender in the conference. They

685
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: do miss both Clemson and SMU, that is nice, and

686
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: I think the two big games to keep in mind

687
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: September twenty seventh, which is a really big football weekend.

688
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: As it stands, this game is going to fly under

689
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: the radar a little bit. It's pit hosting Louisville, which

690
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: is I think pretty significant in the ACC And to

691
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: your point, like there are a bunch of other big

692
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: games on this schedule. I just like where they stand.

693
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: I like how they match. I do think they beat

694
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: Miami to close out the year. They've got that one

695
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: at home. Might be the second straight year if they.

696
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: Have a buy before Notre Dame, I believe.

697
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to talk about that Notre Dame

698
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: game yet.

699
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: Where's by the way, By the way, I do just

700
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: for give me seven seconds Notre Dame. Who does Notre

701
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: Dame have before they travel to Pitt. They're gonna win

702
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: this game? Is that any they have situation? They have Navy,

703
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: so it's post option legs before playing against.

704
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 1: The kind a body of Bruce Felman body blow theory

705
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: that's reably coming up. Yeah, all right, so we've done Clemson, Pitt, Miami. Yeah,

706
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: talk to me about SMU. They're gonna take a step

707
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: back this year, and that's okay.

708
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: I agree, Just mathematically, they didn't lose a single game

709
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: on their ACC slate last year until they lost to

710
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: Clemson barely, and they were right there to actually win

711
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: the ACC. They're just they were very quietly led by

712
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: having a deeper quarterback room than most teams in the country,

713
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: making that switch early on out of you know, the

714
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 2: Preston Stones situation into Kevin Jennings. They had experience, quality

715
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: receivers in a running back room, and legitimately excellent front

716
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: seven players, all of whom are now gone. And so

717
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: I think Rhet Lashley is good. He wins games. He

718
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: is an unbelievable fit for the Mustangs. I just think

719
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: year to year in dealing with a power conference, in

720
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: trying to restock, and they're obviously always going to be

721
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: a pretty heavy portal team, which they should be given

722
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: their location, and I think they've got quality guys there.

723
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: I just think year over year, even with quality guys,

724
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: even with continuity and the coaching staff, I just think

725
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: they're going to be merely pretty good and not able

726
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: to navigate as shrewdly as they were last year. I've

727
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 2: got him finishing outside the top fifteen of the ACC

728
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: or the country well there's only seventeen teams in the

729
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: n I know, I just am clarifying here. We'll talk

730
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: about Wake, We'll talk about Stanford a little bit later.

731
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: No, they're not gonna They're gonna finish sixth in the conference.

732
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: They also have like a very quietly challenging non conference schedule,

733
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: playing Baylor and the Skillet game.

734
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: They they do so like, I'm really mixed on SMU

735
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: because I was all in on SMU last year. I

736
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: think I said I had him nailed it, potentially going

737
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: twelve and zero. So I like this team that was

738
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: before they made the switch to Kevin Jennings, who was

739
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: a total revelation last year, clearly gives them a dynamic

740
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: that they did not have with Preston Stone. He's now

741
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: backed up, by the way, by Tyler Van Dyke. TVD

742
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: still playing. TVD might not see the field beyond mop

743
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: up duty. My issue my flawfinder if I it's bothering

744
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: me and I said this on the last episode, but

745
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: you lose Berschard Smith and that's a big deal. They

746
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: did add some pieces Chris Johnson from Miami, TJ. Harden

747
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: from UCLA. I'm not sure either guy is going to

748
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: be able to replace the production or the combination of

749
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: guys can replace the production. And berchard Smith, they just

750
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: used him so many different ways, including out of the

751
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: backfield in the passing game where he caught thirty nine balls.

752
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: Definitely something both Johnson and Harden can do, and I

753
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: think that was probably the appeal of bringing them into

754
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: this offense. I do trust rhet lashly. I like him.

755
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: I think he's going to put a good offense together.

756
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: It's just hard for me to believe that there's not

757
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: going to be a step back here. So I'm with

758
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: you on that front, and I'm also with you on

759
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: the defensive side. I think we've got to see a

760
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: step back there. Just given the losses in the front seven,

761
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced their hall of transfers is going to

762
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: be able to backfill to the point where it meets

763
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: last year's production.

764
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: Well, you just need to nail portal class after portal

765
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: class after port like It's just yeah, and.

766
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: Bear in mind, this is a top twenty five defense

767
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: last year. It was one of the better tackling teams

768
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: in all of college football. Other than some of the

769
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: issues they had in the red zone, it wasn't a

770
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: unit that did a whole lot wrong. I just think

771
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: now the combination with what they lose up front with

772
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: a tougher schedule, for sure, SMU's got to take a

773
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: step back. They have to. I think what we will

774
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: see from this team is that they end up playing

775
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: in more shootouts this year. So they're going to be

776
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: a fun watch, right, some close games last year, not

777
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: a lot of shootouts. I think this year we're going

778
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: to see more shootouts. Eight and four eight and four

779
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: for me with SMU.

780
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: I have what did I write down? I wrote down

781
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: eight and four for SMU as well, and it's you know,

782
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 2: they have like the the interesting travel wrinkle being basically

783
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 2: so far away from everybody. At least Stanford has cal

784
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: nearby and vice versa. SMU has a close road game

785
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: against TCU and the Skillet, and then it's across the

786
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: country to Clemson, across the country to Wake Forest. Maybe

787
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: they just stay out there. Those aren't back to back weeks,

788
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: so there's that weird interesting travel winkle wrinkle. Excuse me.

789
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: They come home to play Miami, then go to Boston

790
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: to play BC, come home for a bye week, and

791
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: then it's Louisville at home and they go to the

792
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: West Coast to play cal Man again. They navigated it

793
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: just fine last season, but I just think they were

794
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: older and wiser and better equipped, at least to me

795
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: in mid July. So I have them as merely good.

796
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: But just you know, a couple of tougher losses that

797
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: you know ended up being wins. Last year you had

798
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: the I think Louisville was pretty close. I know Duke

799
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: went to forty four overtimes, which, by the way, you know,

800
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: good for Duke, good for resume. Those are two quality

801
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: teams from last season, but I think those fifty to

802
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 2: fifty games might be a little bit different given the

803
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: lack of dependability here.

804
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'll offer a bit of a disclaimer,

805
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: place Kevin Jennings takes a big step forward if they're

806
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: able to lean on him a little bit more, if

807
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: he's able to give them, you know, even more production,

808
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: All bets could be off here because it's still a

809
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: good team. There's still a lot of talent. I'm just defensively,

810
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: I think is where it gets me the most. Brishard Smith.

811
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: What they lose upfront on defense, that's to me, I

812
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: think the sticking point.

813
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: So I'm good. Last year they they basically played Clemson

814
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: too a draw. In year one, they could not have

815
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: been more impressive.

816
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Thirty four to thirty one. Yeah, and they came back

817
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: in that game. It was a really it came back.

818
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: It looked like it was Yeah, it looked like it

819
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: was gonna get ugly early with the turnovers, and acquitted

820
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: themselves super impressively.

821
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: And for as much as I think it's easy to

822
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: look at what they did in the playoff against Penn

823
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: State thirty eight to ten, they lose on the road

824
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: in State College.

825
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: That game was a disaster for all involved. It was

826
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: so cold, it was negative seventy one day.

827
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. So I Penn S was a better team,

828
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I'm just not willing to look

829
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: at that and say, ah, they're not even on the

830
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: same level as a team like a pin. I think

831
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: if circumstances were different, that game would have been closer.

832
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: They still would have lost, but that game would have

833
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: been closer. Okay, next game, Louisville, Louisville eight and a

834
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 1: half over under. I'm taking slight under amend eight and four. Yeah,

835
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: lost at Notre Dame last year to SMU, to Miami

836
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: to Stanford. They did win the Sun Bowl. They finished

837
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: nine and four, So those are all relatively close losses,

838
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: some of them final score maybe doesn't indicate what the

839
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: game flow was like.

840
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: But and weird close wins like Virginia. Yeah.

841
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's another big transfer class for Louisville. This is

842
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: very quickly becoming a thing for Jeff brom thirty one

843
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: new guys coming in, the biggest of which is Miller Moss,

844
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: the former USC quarterback.

845
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: Moss watched bench the benched USCA quarterback. I think porn context. Continue.

846
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: We played most of the year, okay, and if you

847
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: were so good, he played most of the year.

848
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, nearly beat Maryland. Continue.

849
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: Do you just want to take this time for yourself to.

850
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: Just I'm just filling in the blanks here. I've got

851
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: my ice cream scoop out and I'm filling in your

852
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: cup of moss. Continue.

853
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: We can't do a heat themed episode in an ice

854
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: cream themed episode at once.

855
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's the duality of manti. You know, you run

856
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: a little hot, you run a little cold. Continue.

857
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: I think Louisville's at a good place. Louisville, is that

858
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: a good place? As a program. This is a third

859
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: straight year now where they've pulled in a ton of guys,

860
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: and each of the previous two Brom and his brother

861
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: Brian Brom have done a really good job integrating them

862
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: into the system. So I think you look there. There

863
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: is definitely an impulse to look at a team that

864
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: brings in a bunch of transfers and say, wow, that's

865
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if they can do it. These guys

866
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: have done it. They've done it, So ignore Louisville at

867
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: your own peril. I think they'll be fine. What makes

868
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: Louisville interesting to me though, among teams that are at

869
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: or near that upper crust of the conference, they're the

870
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: ones to me with the widest range of results. Like

871
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: I could make a really compelling case for seven and five,

872
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: I could probably make a compelling case for ten to two, Okay,

873
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: And that to me is really what it comes down

874
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: to for Louisville. I need to know what it's going

875
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: to take for Louisville to make the big jump forward.

876
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: Who's going to be that guy? Is it Isaac Brown,

877
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: is it Miller Moss, is it somebody else? What is

878
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: the X factor that is suddenly going to transform this

879
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: team from a four loss team like we saw last

880
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: year to let's say ten and two in a playoff contender, right,

881
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: because I like them, I just don't like them that much.

882
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: And that's my issue here.

883
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's star power as well. I think

884
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: they're counting on it. It's not just transfer, it's small

885
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: school transfers. It was like this guy was a star

886
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: at Coastal Carolina, this guy was a star at Miami

887
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: of Ohio, whatever. And that sounds like I'm being dismissive.

888
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: I'm not. I just think they're like my salt and

889
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: Straw team of the ACC that when you're saying, okay,

890
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage is being completely rebuilt with transfers

891
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: on both the offensive and defensive lines, Okay, it could

892
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: go super well. Look I my team is doing this too,

893
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: My beautiful, beautiful Oregon Ducks. I think are starting three

894
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: transfers along the offensive line this season, and so it

895
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 2: can go really really well. But if a guy gets hurt,

896
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 2: if a couple guys get hurt and you're dealing with

897
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: a unit it's never played together and known each other

898
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: for three weeks or something like, it just worries me

899
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: a little bit in terms of me thinking you have

900
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: nine and three, ten and two type vibes. I'm not

901
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: in love with Miller Moss. I'm not in love with

902
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: where they are at receiver. I do really like that

903
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: is what's Duke Watson and Isaac Brown in the backfield

904
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: on offense.

905
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll talk about that next. I don't hate the

906
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: receiver room though. It's not going to blow the doors

907
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: off you, but it's at least a veteran presence with

908
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: Colin Lacey and Chris Bell. It's not bad.

909
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: It's just the Lacy missed like nine games last year. Okay,

910
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: I just I want to know what If you think

911
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: they're gonna run super well, then I guess that's the answer.

912
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 2: But what is it like to go nine and three

913
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 2: in a major conference? I think you need to point

914
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: to a signific like something specific that you're like, this

915
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: is who we are and we do it significantly well.

916
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: And to me, it's not obvious for Louisville right now.

917
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: I do think the running game is the bigger story.

918
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: I adore or Isaac Brown. It's great, the first true

919
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: freshman in school history to break a thousand yards rushing

920
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: last season. Ended up being ACC Freshman of the Year.

921
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: Between him and Duke Watson, this is one of the

922
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: better running back rooms in the country. It is so.

923
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: I think Jeff brom going hard after offensive line and

924
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: the portal is significant. They did add six guys three

925
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: six guys excuse me, who were full time starters. I

926
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: think it's clear that he wants to steer into this

927
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: side of the offense. Miller Moss is love more hate

928
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: him a veteran of college football at this point, He's

929
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: been around a long time. I think that was a

930
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: good get for them to go out and get him.

931
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: And they do have that track record for taking in

932
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: transfer quarterbacks and making them better. They've done it each

933
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: of the last two years. So it wouldn't surprise me

934
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: if we see a jump from him. It wouldn't surprise

935
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: me if we see a really run heavy offense this year,

936
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: leaning on a guy like an Isaac Brown and obviously

937
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: Duke Watson as well. I think the offense will be

938
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: fine because Louisville is pretty good at offense. The Broms

939
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: know how to do this. Sure, They've got a great

940
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: set of linebackers too. DJ Quinn, stan Kwan Clark Antonio Watts.

941
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm unclear about the line. I'm unclear about the back

942
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: and four, but the linebackers at least they're good. The

943
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: real wet blanket here, though, is the schedule, Dan, Buddy.

944
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: They can lose to a Sun Belt team Week two,

945
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: your duke James Madison. Yeah, yeah, this is a tough schedule.

946
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: They're at Miami, They're at Virginia Tech. They've got Clemson

947
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: at home, They're at SMU. They close out the year

948
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: the Governor's Cup against Kentucky. Also, yeah, the Week two

949
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: game against James Madison, which you should not sleep on.

950
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: That is one of three Friday night games, by the way,

951
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: for Louisville. I think they're good enough offensively to score

952
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: on pretty much everyone. The defense, though, is going to

953
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: be a limiting factor. And okay, you know it's again.

954
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: I have a fair amount of confidence when it comes

955
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: to the Broms figuring out a way to integrate new pieces.

956
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of new pieces. Yeah, and

957
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: it's as we saw with the Florida State a year ago,

958
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 1: you can't always count on that just popping and working.

959
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: So he's he's definitely a chopped coach. He's definitely. Like

960
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: you hand him some ingredients, you hand him jack plumber,

961
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: He'll be like, all right, I can figure something out here.

962
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: We'll get some garlic, soy, honey ginger on jack plumbers,

963
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: a lot of garlic.

964
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: And honey ginger on jack plumber. Yeah.

965
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's what was the number, It

966
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: was like twenty eight out thirty in I've got it's

967
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: something early one in thirty one in the twenty eight

968
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: twenty nine out something like that.

969
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: That. Yeah, Okay, if I had a bed, I'd say

970
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: a nine.

971
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: And three four here. Yeah.

972
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: I think they lose at Miami. I think they lose

973
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: against Clemson at home. I think there's at least one

974
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: other one somewhere in there, maybe at Pitt earlier in

975
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: the year. But that's I mean, we're we're glossing over

976
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: a number of these teams that are all going to

977
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: go six and six and seven and five and have

978
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: to populate their record with wins. So like Boston College

979
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: is going to beat one of these teams, Sure, Virginia

980
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: Tech is going to beat one of these teams. Virginia

981
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: is going to be one of these teams. And See

982
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: State's going to be three of these teams like somebody

983
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: is going to pop up, and so I just, yeah,

984
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm not there. I look and if Miller Moss finds

985
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: his groove in a new offense, in a new setting

986
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: and is able to finish games in ways that you know,

987
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: the offenses he led at USC weren't able to do,

988
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: and you can spread the blame around to multiple pieces there.

989
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: But I don't know, he's the guy with the ball

990
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: in his hands on all those drives. Georgia Tech might

991
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: be one of these teams that knocks some contenders off.

992
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm in on Tech.

993
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: The over under for Tech is currently seven and a half.

994
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: This was a seven win team yacht last season. They

995
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: went seven and six beat Florida State in Ireland. That

996
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: was a very big deal at the time. We didn't

997
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: know what we were in for with Florida State, but

998
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: it was a huge win for Thank you James.

999
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: Of course, of course I had to get him in there.

1000
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: Lost at Syracuse, lost at Louisville, lost versus Notre Dame,

1001
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: lost at Virginia Tech, lost at Georgia that crazy game

1002
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: that close.

1003
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: Out this and that's also dealing second half of the season.

1004
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: Haines King with a bumped shoulder at this time and

1005
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: like playing, but you knew he kind of wasn't throwing

1006
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: more than eight and a half yards. Yeah, I will.

1007
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: Let you vamp about Georgia Tech. All I will say

1008
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: is this as a as a means of introduction. If

1009
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: you are out there and don't care anything about ACC football,

1010
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: maybe you do. If you're just a fan of college football.

1011
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1012
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: If you can't find it within yourself to be marginally

1013
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: fascinated with Georgia Tech this year, you are doing it wrong.

1014
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: My friend, Sure you are doing it wrong. Maybe you're

1015
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: a Georgia fan. If you're a Georgia fan, I guess

1016
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: this goes out the window for me personally. Tech has

1017
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: all the makings of a sleeper team and the kind

1018
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: of team that I tend to get a little too

1019
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: excited about.

1020
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: I don't even know if people are sleeping on them.

1021
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: After taking Georgia to fourteen overtimes, everybody's watching that game. Yeah.

1022
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: All the ingredients I think are in place for this

1023
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: team to make a really nice run this season.

1024
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: Except for the twoc well, the two for Tyler Santucci.

1025
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: Tyler moved on to the Baltimore Ravens the defensive coordinator

1026
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: from last year who did a very good job pulling

1027
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: this defense from catastrophically bad to frisky.

1028
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: Does it bother you that his replacement, Blake Gideon, who

1029
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: comes over from Texas, allowed the Michael Crabtree catch, did

1030
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: allow the Michael krab Crabtree catch. But if there's a

1031
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: wet blanket here, it's the fact that he's never actually

1032
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: called a defense before.

1033
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: Now. I think his reputation is good. You don't do

1034
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: something until you do it. I don't know, so yes,

1035
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: in an ideal world, he's called a defense somewhere smaller

1036
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: and is higher to Georgia attack.

1037
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: Sure, his reputation Blake gideons does precede him coach in

1038
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: the secondary. Outside of the pass rush, which stunk last

1039
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: year for Georgia Tech, the big issue was past defense.

1040
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: So if he applies what he's good at, he's going

1041
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: to have an opportunity here to make a pretty big

1042
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: immediate impact for this defense. As we saw last year

1043
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: with how Tech improved against the run, that was a

1044
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: point of emphasis. They've got enough talent, I think to

1045
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: take a step forward. I think they can do it

1046
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: again this season in the back as well.

1047
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: A couple things. Okay, I can't believe Haines King Still's eligibility.

1048
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: Haines your way backfield, right, Haines King.

1049
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: Jamal Haynes, Yes, losing Eric McAllister is not my favorite thing.

1050
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: He transfers to Eric. What did I say, McAllister? Yeah,

1051
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 2: it was a different receiver, Eric Singleton, Thank you quick

1052
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: on the draw tie. That's why you get paid the

1053
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: big bonds. But it's Eric Rivers who comes in from FIU,

1054
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: A couple guys from FIU coming in and they're another school.

1055
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: They're counting on smaller school guys to fill in some gaps,

1056
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: which you put them in that salt and straw category.

1057
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: But also it's along the offensive line. I tend to

1058
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: trust Brent Key and Mario Christoval, guys with that background

1059
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more that they're going to get offensive

1060
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: line figured out. That they were good in game coaches,

1061
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: that this team played with fire, perhaps more so than

1062
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: many other teams in the ACC. I like on a

1063
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: certain level that they were crazy beat up on defense

1064
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 2: and still improved to the point that they improved to

1065
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: last season. Hopefully the universe evens their situation out and

1066
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: they're a little bit healthier on defense. I just there

1067
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: are enough returning pieces here on both sides of the

1068
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: ball that they play a brand of football. And the

1069
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 2: threat of Haines King on the ground with Jamal Haynes

1070
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: right there, like they're just going to be so annoying.

1071
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: They get a rebuilding Colorado team on the road at

1072
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: altitude should be clear. Yeah, they get Clemson early on

1073
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: in this season, so maybe if Clemson is, you know,

1074
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: a full war machine by later on, good to get

1075
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: them early. They get them at home. Otherwise, you know,

1076
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: the road environment for Wake should be crazy, The road

1077
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: environment for Duke shouldn't be crazy. The growth environment for

1078
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: BC shouldn't be crazy. I just think the schedule is

1079
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: it's not easy, but it's fine. It's workable, that's what

1080
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: you like to say, right.

1081
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: I think Clemson's on the schedule, but it's at home.

1082
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech's at home SYRACUSEID they lost to last year

1083
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: at home Pitt who I love. At home. They've got

1084
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: the neutral cider against Georgia, but you know, we kind

1085
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: of take that one for what it is as a

1086
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: rivalry game. Here are there five road games, right? So

1087
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned Colorado, but at Colorado at Wake at Duke,

1088
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: at NC State at BC right, just that in and

1089
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: of itself, Tech should be considered a contender because of

1090
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: the schedule.

1091
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 2: And no like like Louisville had last year, No weird

1092
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: West Coast flights on this schedule, no no caller Stanford here.

1093
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: I think they might be better than ten of the

1094
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: twelve teams in the schedule as it stands now. They

1095
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: got to stay healthy.

1096
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: Got to stay healthy.

1097
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: Health was a big time issue last year. But to

1098
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: the point like, okay, they lose Singleton, but they backfill

1099
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: with Eric Rivers and Dean Patterson from fyu Wich. I

1100
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: thought was a really nice move provided there is good

1101
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: enough health on this team. This is a tough This

1102
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: is a physical team that has very much embraced the

1103
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: mentality of the coach, Brankey, who used to be an

1104
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: offensive line coach. They can score thirty five to forty

1105
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: points a game with this offense. YEP. If there is

1106
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: an issue, it's probably the offensive line, which is down

1107
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: a couple guys from last year. But again, head coach,

1108
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: former offensive lineman, I tend to think that he can

1109
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: feel the line out there. I still think they'll be

1110
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: okay up front, So I'm very very optimistic. You factor

1111
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: in what they've got coming back in the backfield, the

1112
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: Haines your Way backfield. You factor in I think a

1113
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: defense that will should be okay, and a schedule that

1114
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: sets up pretty well.

1115
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: They went from embarrassing and catastrophically bad on defense to

1116
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: merely below average and did so with basically no pass rush.

1117
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 2: That's right, exactly only room for improvement. Yeah, that's the

1118
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: sunny way of looking at things that if they could

1119
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: continue to take that step forward, if they can put

1120
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: a little bit of fear into Steve Angeli's eyes or whoever,

1121
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 2: they become that much more dangerous. And so you still

1122
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: have to buy low on this Georgia Tech defense if

1123
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: you feel really good about the Yellowjackets. But otherwise, I

1124
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: don't know. I just see a lot of ways for

1125
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: them to win and the fire with which they play.

1126
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm in on the way that my contender tier stacks

1127
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: up now that we've done all six of these teams. Yeah,

1128
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: and I know you're gonna have PIT pretty low. That's

1129
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: fine for me. It goes Clemson one, Pit two, and

1130
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: then just a smattering of teams I probably all have

1131
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: the same record eight and four, nine and three, somewhere

1132
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: in that range, Miami, Georgia Tech, Louisville SMU in that order, right,

1133
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: I think you've got Clemson Miami, and then you know.

1134
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: I've got Clemson Miami a drop obviously because only two

1135
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: teams can play in the championship game. Sure, and then

1136
00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Georgia Tech, SMU, Pitt Louisville. I'm just

1137
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: gonna go. I just went in doubt, like, look at

1138
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 2: the quarterback who you'd most want and least want to.

1139
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: You are bumping pit up. Then you bumped them up

1140
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: a little bit.

1141
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think they have a coaching advantage. Still,

1142
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: the track record is still impressive for Pat Nardoozy, But

1143
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they're all in that like

1144
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: four point two lost range.

1145
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: Two teams left. Let's jump to the rebuilding tier. Please,

1146
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: Let's start with wake Forest. Wake Forest is four and eight.

1147
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: They hired a new coach, Dave class In tapped out,

1148
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: said Nomas. He's officially retired. We do have somebody new

1149
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: entering the conference. A new bomshell. Bombshell. I was stalling

1150
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: because I couldn't find this sound on time. But Jake

1151
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: Dicker formerly of Wazoo. The last time he coached east

1152
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: of the Mississippi was in two thousand and seven as

1153
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: a grad assistant for Wisconsin. Stevens Point is almost not

1154
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: terribly east of Mississippi. Not to be clear, Stone's throwaway.

1155
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: By the way, Just on that note, Jake dickerd might

1156
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: lead the nation in week one or week two when

1157
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: there's a shot of him on the sidelines of like,

1158
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: huh no more Clawson that like people are learning of that.

1159
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, via a lower third underneath him on an

1160
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: ACC Network broadcast.

1161
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, really good coach. I give kudos to Wake for

1162
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: going out and getting a young guy a good experience

1163
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: and a good track record. I read like six Wake

1164
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: Forest previews. I watched a bunch of videos online. Everybody

1165
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: has called out the energy that he's brought to the program.

1166
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: You know, this is what.

1167
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: This is one of the tropes. Yeah, really good vibes.

1168
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: Good energy that doesn't win games, but it is I

1169
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: think if you're a Wake fan, refreshing to at least

1170
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: have good vibes. After going four and eight on back

1171
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: to back seasons.

1172
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: Jake Dickart also had the quote last year again speaking

1173
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: of the energy stuff, where they tried to. Somebody asked

1174
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: him about Oregon State and then being in like a

1175
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: similar and like banding together, and remember we had the

1176
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: quote was like, they're not our friends. They would have

1177
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: left us in a heartbeat if it were up to them.

1178
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have this guy.

1179
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: I appreciate the candor. He's a good coach, he's a

1180
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: good quote. Sign me up.

1181
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: Very clearly a rebuilding situation. Thirty three incoming transfers if

1182
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: you add them to the mix, technically eleven starters back

1183
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: for wake okay technically, but changing the offense. The defense

1184
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: is going to give up like thirty one points a game.

1185
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: They're going to be dogs and eight or nine of

1186
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: their games this season. So it's a rebuilding thing. There

1187
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: are no expectations. The schedule actually sets up pretty well.

1188
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: It's a good schedule.

1189
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: And so I guess my burning question here is how

1190
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: much can you translate that energy into can you hit

1191
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: the over four and a half? Can you get the

1192
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: six wins? And somehow, you know, drawn inside straight your

1193
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: way to a bowl game? I don't know, but at

1194
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: least the energy here is something that a lot of

1195
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: people have gravitated toward. It's in the early going. Now

1196
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: there are issues obviously about the roster. I don't know

1197
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: how deep you want to get into Wake Forest. They've

1198
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: got plenty of other notes, but that's where I'm out

1199
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: this steam.

1200
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wake Forest if they are decent, and I still

1201
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: have a lot of questions about using that word given

1202
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: where the quarterback room is in this moment and how

1203
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: many new faces are there, they have the advantage of

1204
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: being perhaps rightfully so immediately overlooked, right sure that they

1205
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: become like the ACC look ahead this season maybe for

1206
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: good reason. Maybe they're a great value by because they're

1207
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: keeping games close that they shouldn't because whoever NC State

1208
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: or Virginia Tech or whoever's on their schedule is looking

1209
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: past them because they have Clemson or Miami or SMU,

1210
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 2: whoever that like Wake is going to have that immediate

1211
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: advantage that perhaps shoulders are relaxed a little bit with

1212
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: teams that they're playing early kickoffs, whatever. It doesn't seem

1213
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: like a big game atmosphere playing against Wake, Like if

1214
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: it's a home game, maybe people aren't as excited in

1215
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: the crowd to be going to a Wake game. If

1216
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: it's a road game for a team, maybe they just

1217
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: don't think it's that big a deal to play at

1218
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: Wake Forest. I like that a little bit. I don't

1219
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: know if it means six wins, but I think, especially

1220
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 2: early on in the season, I think, what do they

1221
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 2: have NC State? Early on, I believe like a couple

1222
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: of teams, like a couple of flawed teams, thinking they

1223
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: can just waltz in and take down a first year

1224
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: coach for a team that has been up and down.

1225
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, all of a sudden, you're down fourteen

1226
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: three to wake and you're like, how did we get here?

1227
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: Counterpoint?

1228
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: Oh, I understand. The counterpoint is reality. Counterpoints reality. Also,

1229
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: Robbie Ashford is still playing, and he's I want to

1230
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: say his name out loud.

1231
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: I saw this on the sheet here that I put

1232
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: together for Wake Forest. I let out an audible groan like,

1233
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: oh no, yeah, not another Robbie Ashford season. But that said, Okay,

1234
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: if you're gonna add another Robbie Ashford season, who yeah, exactly,

1235
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: if you're going to trot him out there, he's going

1236
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: to be your starter. It's not the worst scenario for

1237
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: this because I like their running back, Demon Claiborne went

1238
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: for over a thousand yards last year. Should have a

1239
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: pretty good line in front of him. If you stay

1240
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: ahead of the chains, if you focus on the ground game,

1241
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: that you could make that work with Robbie Ashford. You

1242
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: don't want to making high leverage throws, I can tell

1243
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: you that. Yeah, but in theory wake lining you up,

1244
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: trying to run it down your throat. That's an interesting zag.

1245
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: That could be fun. I don't know how successful it's

1246
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: going to be, but I think that's the template. If

1247
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: you're going to try and go with.

1248
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: It, I would just start keep going with the slow mesh. No,

1249
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: it's just going it's the most annoying one out against. Yeah.

1250
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: The other thing that I'll add here real quick. Then

1251
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: I want to get to our final team Stanford. Yeah.

1252
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1253
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: Scotty Hazelton new defensive coordinator. You actually might be surprised

1254
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: by this. Scotty Hazelton wants to run an aggressive attacking defense.

1255
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: Does he have the great beard?

1256
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: I believe so. Yeah. Okay, aggressive attacking defense. Another one

1257
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: can only do it if you've got a pass rush.

1258
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: Not clear to me that they do. All we know

1259
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: is that they're going to try and that there are

1260
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: some more proven playmakers in the back seven, guys like

1261
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: Devon Patterson, who are going to need to wear a

1262
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: bunch of different hats. So curious, not willing to fully

1263
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: write off Wake. They're not winning the conference. It's clearly

1264
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: a rebuilding thing. I don't care if they go through

1265
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: a nine.

1266
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: Well, let me write this down.

1267
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: The Wake is not I know, going out and okay,

1268
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: but I like Jake Dickert. I like his energy. Everybody

1269
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: likes his energy.

1270
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. What I really want from this team is I

1271
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: want a very obvious offensive identity and vision, because I

1272
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: think that's that's the blueprint at Wake, a place like

1273
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: Wake whatever, Like, here's what we do, here's how we

1274
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: recruit around it. They don't need to run the triple,

1275
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: and they don't need to do something terribly crazy, but

1276
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: they need to be well coached and they need to like, Okay,

1277
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: this is the type of system we have in place.

1278
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,479
Speaker 1: That's it. Last team on today's episode Stanford Cardinal, Yeah

1279
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: around here, three and a half. They went three to nine.

1280
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: Last year they beat cal Poly. They had the weird

1281
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: upset over Syracuse and then another weird upset at home

1282
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: over Louisville.

1283
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: Can you build the whole plane out a weird upset.

1284
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: It's a good question.

1285
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna try. They lost to everybody else and most

1286
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: of them weren't close. Little did we know, Dan, the

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Speaker 1: story was just getting started for Stanford. So the roster

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Speaker 1: gets clobbered in the portal. Then after that, Troy Taylor

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Speaker 1: gets dismissed in the spring because of an investigation into

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Speaker 1: workplace complaints.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Then the roster gets hit again a second wave in

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Speaker 1: the portal Andrew Luck, who's now apparently running the shop

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Speaker 1: correct he names Frank Reich as the interim coach for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five while he looks for a permanent replacement.

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Speaker 1: So this whole thing is an enormous reboot. One of

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01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,959
Speaker 1: the interesting stories for Olds like us is that Andrew

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01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: Luck is apparently in charge of this whole thing, which

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Speaker 1: I don't hate. I don't know if he's any good

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Speaker 1: at it, No, but at least he's a name that

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01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: people in Stanford circles were clearly was very successful in

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: his time there. Am I losing my mind if I

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01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,479
Speaker 1: look at the situation with Frank Reich and I say,

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01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: you could do a lot worse than that.

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Speaker 2: No, don't. I don't think that you're losing your mind.

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01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: I kind of don't hate that situation. He was a

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01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: highly respected NFL guy, kind of known as a quarterback whisper.

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01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: It sounds like he's going to steer into what they have,

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01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: which is a good group of running backs, align with

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01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: some experience, a good tight end in Sam Rouge. The

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: receivers are improving, the quarterback's improven. But you know, we'll

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01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: see more of the pro style stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's ben Goal Branson coming in from Orang State and

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01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 2: they've got that's a name that I Ben Goran.

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01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: I can't believe he's still playing.

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01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: He's still there. Yeah, I think the.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback is going to be Elijah Brown, who's the red

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Speaker 1: shirt freshman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, went to Modern Day. Yeah, I went to Modern.

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Speaker 1: Day, the number eleven quarterback in the same class as

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Speaker 1: Lagway and Royola.

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Speaker 2: He played a little bit last year, but wasn't ready.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't ready. They do have Dylan Rizzick who played for

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01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: UC down the stretch last season, in addition to Bengal Bronson,

1325
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: who he might be older than us at this point. Correct,

1326
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: he's been around forever, so that's not an ideal situation.

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Speaker 1: I don't hate Elijah Brown. I'm curious to see more

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01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: of him. This is a team, a defense that has

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01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: a fair amount coming back from last season. For as

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01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: bad as it was.

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01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 2: It was terrible.

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01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, for as bad as it was, it actually got

1333
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: a little better versus.

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01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 2: And they brought in transfers, which is not like a

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01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 2: normal thing for Stanford. I think it was seventeen or eighteen.

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01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 2: Transfers came in a lot of whom from Dartmouth. Let's

1337
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: be a lot of them from Dartmouth.

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01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: They lose David Bailey, their edge Texas Tech, which hurts.

1339
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: But you know, if you look at the schedule, like

1340
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: not a lot of proven quarterbacks on this thing. Dan,

1341
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: So I don't think Stanford's gonna be good, But I

1342
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: just I'm I'm gonna stop short of calling it a

1343
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: total disaster, given the circumstances, given the coach, given the

1344
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: fact that there's like, I don't know enough here to

1345
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: be reasonably dangerous in.

1346
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: Spots yeah, four and eight, five and seven, you know,

1347
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: best case scenario to me, just because it's not that

1348
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 2: Frank Reich is a bad coach, but he has to

1349
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: convince this team who is sort of in a gray

1350
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: area and people have, you know, given their pledges to

1351
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 2: see it through. At least for the short term. He's

1352
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: going to be gone. Yeah, you don't know who's going

1353
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 2: to be the coach. So you're in this sort of

1354
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 2: state of disarray at Stanford and uncertainty, and so Frank

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01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 2: Reich has to go to this team and say play

1356
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: your asses off, Like, yeah, it's a hard sell, that's all.

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01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: I think he's good enough schematically to put guys in

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01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: the right position. Is he a good enough motivator to

1359
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: use a very difficult situation and get this team to

1360
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: punch above its weight. That's I think the obvious question.

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01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 2: And you just need guys.

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01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: You need to need dudes.

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01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 2: ACC caliber players at every position, or high level ACC

1364
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 2: caliber players at every position. It took Jim Harby years

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01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: sort of fill out that roster. The good news long

1366
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 2: term is like Stanford is one of the handful of

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01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 2: schools that like very clearly sells itself that like Stanford

1368
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: can get high quality commitments. I think they have been

1369
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 2: based on solely the fact that you get to go

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01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 2: to Stanford. Now that's that's a big deal.

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01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see who he's able to reel in

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01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: as a coach. Same you know, if this is truly

1373
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: a one year thing for frank ra I don't know.

1374
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: Maybe it goes off without a hitch and they end

1375
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: up keeping him, but I don't expect that's going to

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01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: be the case. I'm curious to see because Andrew looks

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01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: a name and if he's any good at this in theory, Stanford,

1378
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 1: like Stanford's a cool place to be.

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01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 2: How much money does Chris Peterson want? How much money

1380
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: can you possibly want? Do they have that kind of

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01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: money Stanford? Well as a school, of course, yeah, But

1382
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 2: for the football team, right, and I don't know.

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01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: Schedule's tough, and I should clarify when I say, ah

1384
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 1: won't be a disaster, could be good enough to be dangerous.

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01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: They're over unders four and a half three and a half.

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01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which four games they're winning right, Maybe

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01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: at Hawaii, maybe Uva or San Jose State or cow

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01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: There's not a lot on good There's not a lot

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01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: on here that I feel good about.

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01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 2: Santos. They say beat Stanford last year, did they not?

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Speaker 1: They did?

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01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: There are five teams in this slate that might be

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01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: top twenty five teams at the start of the year,

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01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: So it's not an easy road for Stanford by any stretch.

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: I think more what I am speaking to is, like

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01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: I said, last year, a lot of these losses weren't

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01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 1: particularly close. No, so can they at least be dangerous?

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Speaker 1: Can they be competitive in some of these games once

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01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: they figure out who's playing? That's That's more what I

1401
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: am looking for this year, not so much in terms

1402
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: of wins and losses.

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01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, have three and nine?

1404
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: All right? That does it? Look? We covered some ground today, dude?

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01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 2: The book ends.

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: We did the book ends, Clemson, Miami, Pitt Georgia Tech,

1407
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: Louisville and SMU closed things out with Wake Forest and

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01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: Stanford in solidverble at gmail dot com. Let us know

1409
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: what we got right, what we got wrong, Where we

1410
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 1: should pay a little bit more attention.

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01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm wondering why did we didn't pay

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01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: attention to Notre Dame on this episode myself, But that

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01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 2: was your decision.

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Speaker 1: That was my decision. We'll get to Notre Dame. I saw.

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01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: Haven't figured out how I'm gonna piece them in full

1416
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: three part preview Notre Dame people would unsubscribe. The Notre

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01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: Dame story starts Cincinnati, Ohio with Marcus Freeman. I can't

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01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: do it. I don't know what to do. We'll figure

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01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: it out. I don't know. Okay, well we'll get to that.

1420
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Speaker 1: But I wanted to give the ACC it's due. This

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01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 1: is the ACC proper here again. Appreciate your feedback, let

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Speaker 1: us know your thoughts on all things ACC. We do

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01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: have another episode coming up where we're going to cover

1424
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: the wild cards in the middle, the nine teams that

1425
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: we did not have a chance to discuss today. That'll

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Speaker 1: be on our next episode.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, if I don't get a crate of ice cream

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Speaker 2: sent to my house at this point, what is even

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Speaker 2: I have the lack date. It hit me when I

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Speaker 1: We will be back at you next episode talking about

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Speaker 1: the remainder of this conference, before we turn the page

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01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: entirely and start talking all things big twelve for that

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01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: guy Dan, for myself Tied, thanks for bearing with us,

1452
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Speaker 1: for hanging in for previewing one half of the ACC

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Speaker 1: on this episode. We'll catch you all since.

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Speaker 2: Stay solid, peace,