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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Norah Jones, and today I'm playing along with

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Speaker 1: Cat Popper.

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Speaker 2: I'm just playing lo wey, I'm just playing in.

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Speaker 3: Hell with you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to the show. I'm Norah Jones. With me

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Speaker 1: as always is Sarah Oda. Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello. We

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Speaker 1: have a fun fun guest today.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we do. Our guest today is another one of

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Speaker 4: our sisters.

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Speaker 1: Yes, badass bass player, not literal sister, but chosen sister.

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Speaker 4: Chosen sister, Maulti instrumentalist, singer, songwriter. Oh, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 4: T shirt designer.

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Speaker 1: Oh, bass player, extraordinaire T shirt designer.

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Speaker 4: She's played with everyone from Ryan Adams to Grace Potter

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Speaker 4: to Jack White to Jesse Mallin. Yes to Nora Jones.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, she has played with me.

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Speaker 4: She's one third of the Alt country power Supergirl group.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you call it?

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Speaker 4: A supergirl group? Felt right?

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Speaker 1: We're a superwoman group. And and we've known Cat forever.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, long time. She's one of the funniest people

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Speaker 4: we know.

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend you follow her on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Cat Underscore Popper.

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Speaker 1: At Instagram dot com.

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Speaker 4: That's not how it works.

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Speaker 3: It's just sick Cat.

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Speaker 1: At Cat Underscore popper. Yeah, do it follow her. She's

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Speaker 1: also designing these really cool T shirts right now. Is

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Speaker 1: she selling them yet?

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Speaker 4: Not yet. Hopefully she will be there, but they're going

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Speaker 4: to sell out, so you better just get in line now.

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Speaker 1: I want all of them.

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Speaker 4: Her stage banter is pretty much unbeat, unbeat unbeat unbeat.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, her stage banter, Sorry, that's not correct, that's

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Speaker 1: not grammatically correct, unbeatable.

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Speaker 4: Her stage banter is unbeatable.

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Speaker 1: That just sounded corny the weast oh more time.

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Speaker 4: Her stage banter is a Okay, I.

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Speaker 5: Thought that's what you were saying.

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Speaker 3: You do it, No, you do.

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Speaker 1: It this time.

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Speaker 4: Her stage banter is unbeatable.

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Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, she's funny, but she's also got like a.

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Speaker 4: Very sensitive sweet side that comes out in her music

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Speaker 4: and that she tapped into with the release of her

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Speaker 4: first and second singles as Cat Popper, titled Maybe It's

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Speaker 4: all Right Yeah and Breath.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 1: They're beautiful and it's really lovely to see someone who's

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Speaker 1: been a coveted side person for so many years. I mean,

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Speaker 1: people love Cat from her being in all these different

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Speaker 1: bands as the bass player. It's really nice to see

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Speaker 1: her step out and sing and writing songs. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna love it. I hope you enjoy. We had a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. And here's the episode. Here she comes, here,

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Speaker 1: she comes, cat Popper, Hi, Hi.

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Speaker 3: You lost.

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Speaker 7: A glass, but it's okay, it was broken.

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Speaker 1: Just mine.

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Speaker 8: The mass.

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Speaker 3: In the pie says so good with words, but the

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Speaker 3: numbers bay bite black birds.

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Speaker 9: At your fingers, the says.

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Speaker 10: Can rosa, don't look.

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Speaker 11: Dun It is so already gone, it's already broken.

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Speaker 12: Fast me, I got a lucky street.

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Speaker 3: The wind find a way to be still.

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Speaker 7: Somehowly ways, and the roof tips.

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Speaker 3: Remain just shine.

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Speaker 13: Lie in the place saves.

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Speaker 3: Where you wonder.

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Speaker 2: It's all right.

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Speaker 3: For the real thing.

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Speaker 13: To be wrong.

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Speaker 2: Woman lie you boths like.

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Speaker 3: Long said song.

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Speaker 14: It's a already gone sorready broken.

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Speaker 3: Fall.

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Speaker 4: Me I.

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Speaker 3: Got a lucky street.

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Speaker 15: Ooh ooh, you lost a glass.

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Speaker 3: In the number.

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Speaker 1: That's so pretty, so fucking pretty. God. I love this song.

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Speaker 5: I love how you play guitar on this song.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I haven't really played a lot of guitar recently.

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Speaker 5: It's just and it was a different fingerpicking powder and

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Speaker 5: I'm just kind of amazed that you can just fingerpick

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's a fake finger pick, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. But it's a little bit of.

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Speaker 5: A A lot of people are probably faking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's true.

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Speaker 5: It's awesome.

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Speaker 6: Can you finger pick? It's hard.

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Speaker 5: I'm learning and it's a disaster.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, fucking ship chip.

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Speaker 5: I can cuss. You can cuss, Okay, it's it's a fucking.

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Speaker 1: Try not to poop show, you know what, trying not

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Speaker 1: to cuss.

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's a it's a farting yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love this song and I love playing guitar, and

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Speaker 1: it's like playing this kind of guitar feels natural, this

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Speaker 1: tempo and like the strummy thing, the fingerpicking thing I

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Speaker 6: And then that's about it, you know.

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Speaker 5: But apparently it's all you need.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you just need like that little country corner.

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Speaker 1: Right, country corner? Isn't that what they call it?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: In the I don't know down south, the country corner,

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm from Charlotte, so I'm not really as country as

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Speaker 6: You're pretty country, I know you.

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Speaker 1: I know you girl.

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Speaker 5: My granddaddy used to say, don't forget she's a hell billy. Oh,

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm gonna live in New York.

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Speaker 1: You've been in New York? How long?

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Speaker 3: Thirty years?

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Speaker 5: That's crazy, is that you two?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been here twenty three years.

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Speaker 5: I've been here longer than you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I moved here in twenty twenty. Nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're in ninety nine.

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Speaker 5: Wow, it was a good year.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, So this song, when did you write the song?

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Speaker 1: You wrote this for our second album or you wrote

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Speaker 5: So well, so the so for the second Puss and

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Speaker 5: Boots album, you said we should have some originals, yeah,

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Speaker 5: and I thought, oh no, because it takes me a

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Speaker 5: year write.

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Speaker 1: Well, you had a couple originals on the first Pussing

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Speaker 1: Boots album, which were great, Well.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, but I just I had never really written.

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Speaker 5: And you guys told me you have to do things

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Speaker 5: you don't know how to do.

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Speaker 1: Here this is like this, that's what the that's what

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Speaker 5: That's what this is because.

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Speaker 1: Because when we started that band, me and Sasha were

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Speaker 1: just learning how to play the guitar and you were

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Speaker 1: already an accomplished bassist.

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Speaker 5: Well, but when you guys asked me, you asked me

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Speaker 5: if I would play drums. And then right away I

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Speaker 5: And then I was so happy that nobody seemed to

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Speaker 5: notice that I was playing bass. And one day, you

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Speaker 5: do you do something?

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Speaker 1: Do something you don't know how to do.

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Speaker 5: I would come in and I would say, but I

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Speaker 5: don't know how to do this, and you guys would

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Speaker 5: be like, that's not interesting that you need.

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Speaker 1: To just say that you're going to use those words no.

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Speaker 5: But you guys just didn't care that I would balk,

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Speaker 1: You would say, yeah, we wouldn't take it no, and

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Speaker 1: it'd be like, who cares, We're all nervous.

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Speaker 5: It was the craziest, real, craziest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, was that the first time you've ever experienced that? Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's so funny.

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Speaker 5: Because I was so insecure my whole life, and you know,

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Speaker 5: growing being a woman in these bands, and a lot

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Speaker 5: of it was my own insecurity and I in adulthood. Now,

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Speaker 5: I know everybody was insecure, but I thought I was

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Speaker 5: the only one who was insecure. No, everybody is everybody's insecure.

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Speaker 6: Now we know.

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Speaker 5: Now we know, and you don't know that until you're

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Speaker 5: you know, you have to tie your boobies around your waist.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're the best. Yeah. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where that came from for me.

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Speaker 1: I feel like maybe Sasha pushed me into that place

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Speaker 1: of I'll just book it to get the Fat Cat

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Speaker 1: and we'll learn how to play guitar. And this is

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Speaker 1: Cat and played while people were We didn't play.

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Speaker 6: In the back room.

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Speaker 1: We played in the front room where people were playing pool,

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Speaker 1: and nobody noticed me, and it was totally fine, and I.

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Speaker 6: Kept like screwing up.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we would just drop out in the beginning, but

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Speaker 1: then we would sing pretty harmonies and it was fine.

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Speaker 1: And then when you joined we started playing, Like where

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Speaker 1: did we start playing the rodeo bar?

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Speaker 5: We did the Shaney Rays truck stop at the National Underground,

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Speaker 5: which is gone now, but I think we also did Rodeo.

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Speaker 6: Bar and Rockwood a lot of rockwood, rockwood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the living room was kind of already gone by then, right.

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Speaker 5: I think so we might have done a couple living

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Speaker 5: room hits also. You know, I think it was good

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Speaker 5: to do the smaller places because we didn't necessarily want

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Speaker 1: No, we only played places where people would promise not

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we wanted to play for our friends and yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know it was it was what a great vibe.

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Speaker 5: There were people who would come to every Puss and

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Speaker 5: Boots show that were our friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there there were slowly these like Puss

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Speaker 1: and we went under like a fake name every time.

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Speaker 5: It was so great. It was like a yeah, we

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Speaker 5: were like a gum shoot the gum Shoot band.

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Speaker 1: But so so you started pulling pulling in some covers

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Speaker 1: and singing first before you started doing originals with us, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And it's funny because you guys said, are there any

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Speaker 5: covers you want to do? And I came in with

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Speaker 5: my covers and said, well, these are probably like bad

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Speaker 5: covers and you're got cause that's like how I'm.

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Speaker 6: Just You're just down, You're down on yourself.

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Speaker 5: Well, and I've been realizing it lately, how much you

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Speaker 5: know they call Buddhism call it eyeing in mine how

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Speaker 5: much I denigrate myself and that people have to say, no, no, no,

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Speaker 5: you're I'm really working on it.

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Speaker 1: But are you a Buddhist?

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Speaker 5: No? Okay, but I cherry pick.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the way to go.

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Speaker 5: I'm too much of a hillbilly for Sanskrit. But no

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Speaker 5: even yesterday, I was doing it because I anyway, like

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Speaker 5: Because there's much more to lose if you guys are like,

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 5: It was like, the song's probably terrible, but here's one,

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Speaker 5: And it's so it's just so funny, but it was.

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Speaker 6: It's a sad song, but I loved it. And also this.

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Speaker 1: Song, oh my God, they buy it like birds at

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a it's like a Southern thing burrs.

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Speaker 6: I love your lyrics though, I mean you must read

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Speaker 5: Huh, we got well lyrics. I think that's why it

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Speaker 6: So nobody can tell what's on your inner core.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want to talk. I don't want everybody

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Speaker 6: You don't have to tell me what it's about.

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Speaker 5: Well you don't want it, She don't. You don't, she

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Speaker 6: You can tell me what it's about.

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Speaker 1: What's it about?

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Speaker 5: It's just about a lot of my songs, you know,

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Speaker 6: That's so beautiful. Yeah, and that's not.

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Speaker 5: Know, it's true. And that's the thing about getting older

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Speaker 5: that I've realized is that, you know, it's not about

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Speaker 5: That's so.

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Speaker 6: You are a teacher here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I'm wise as shit.

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Speaker 1: You're wise as shit.

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Speaker 5: Y'all taken notes?

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Speaker 6: When did you become one?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I may have been and just been

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Speaker 5: But it's like, well, wait a minute, like I want

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Speaker 1: There's that that thing where you know, I knew this

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Speaker 1: It's actually up to you. Yeah, all the crap that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and make it great.

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Speaker 5: I think to start to get there, you have to

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Speaker 5: It's like, no, just lay down in it and feel

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Speaker 6: Hand instead of on your back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Man, a lot of nuggets here.

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Speaker 5: I know we should.

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Speaker 6: Juicy, you should write a book.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, by the way, your book, I can just

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Speaker 1: imagine all your Instagram nuggets, Like every other page is

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Speaker 6: You have to check out Kat's Instagram pages.

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Speaker 5: I wish I was selling something.

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Speaker 1: Well, you have a T shirt you need to sell

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Speaker 1: that cannonball utterly. So you come from jazz like me

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Speaker 1: and sash right, yeah, I I how did you start

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Speaker 5: A piano in the and I hated piano lessons. It

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Speaker 5: I went to the teacher, you know, this was in

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Speaker 5: Probably tall? And now I have a five eights So

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Speaker 5: But I was going to like hardcore shows, like I

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Speaker 1: Go classical by day, hardcore of my night. That's kind

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Speaker 5: And like I used to go to the Irish Contra

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Speaker 6: Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: I just loved, you know, bluegrass I loved. So then

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Speaker 6: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 5: You didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: See, you know how we know each other, but we

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, first generation American.

448
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 6: That's crazy.

449
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's crazy. So where did they move.

450
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 5: They they came over during the World's Fair and they

451
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 5: actually lived in.

452
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 3: They moved like.

453
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 5: Across the street from the Museum of Natural History.

454
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 6: Oh my god.

455
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, the building is still there. And then my dad,

456
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 5: when he was a young man, moved to Brooklyn Heights

457
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 5: and his rent was ninety dollars a month. So he

458
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 5: moved to Carmine Street. His rent was forty five dollars

459
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 5: a month.

460
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: Whoa, yeah, in the West Village, in the Westville, it

461
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: was cheaper than Brooklyn Rights.

462
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, Brooklyn Heights has always been like, that's insane. I know,

463
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 5: but he so, you know, we would come here every

464
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 5: Christmas and spend time with my with all the crazy

465
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 5: Romanians in New York.

466
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: So he always had a part in New York Street.

467
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was always fascinated by it. So it

468
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 5: was so fun to move here. And I auditioned at

469
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 5: Berkeley and at Manhattan School. And at Berkeley it was

470
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 5: like what year was it that I would have been

471
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 5: mighty something ninety three or something, and Berkeley was like,

472
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 5: we need women. Here's a full ride scholarship. And I

473
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 5: was like, I don't want anybody who wants me that bad.

474
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 5: And I was like, that's crazy. I didn't want to

475
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 5: live in Boston because I New York. You know, you

476
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 5: wanted to come to New York and I had all

477
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 5: the crazy Romanians here. So anyway, I auditioned it Manhattan

478
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 5: School and they were like you suck, and I was like,

479
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 5: you know what, I'll take it New York.

480
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: You're you like to be punished. It's kind of.

481
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 5: Hot, turns me on.

482
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: I don't know.

483
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 5: I just wanted to be Yeah, well.

484
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 6: This is where it's at.

485
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Boston's great, but where you want to be

486
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: to play music as a young.

487
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 5: And also to play so many different kinds of music.

488
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you know you were interested in the rock

489
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: and roll yet?

490
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 11: No?

491
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 5: Interesting, I didn't start playing electric bass until I was

492
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 5: about thirty.

493
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: What.

494
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not kidding.

495
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 3: You didn't know that.

496
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 5: No, I know. It's crazy.

497
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: Had I met you yet?

498
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 5: You should see how her eyes are sparkling. She was

499
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 5: a little bit turned on.

500
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: I have sparkles in my eyes.

501
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 6: I had met you already.

502
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I met you at a wedding in like

503
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: two thousand and three or four, right, you were playing

504
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: in the band and I was a guest at the

505
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: wedding and my friend was was in the band, and

506
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,719
Speaker 1: so we talked.

507
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you came.

508
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 5: You were so nice. I was drunk. I was drunk

509
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 5: at the wedding, but you didn't. You drunk doesn't mean

510
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 5: you had to be nice.

511
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 6: I was definitely a nice drunk always.

512
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: I've never been a mean drunk, just annoying, probably like

513
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: a chatty drunk annoying.

514
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's where we first met. And then you know,

515
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 5: we would be at this club and the living room,

516
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 5: the club on the Lower East Side where oh yeah,

517
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 5: a big watering hole for musicians.

518
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you you liked my hair. One night, I did,

519
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: and I showed you my extensions.

520
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, she said, you like my hair, check it out.

521
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 5: And she flipped her head over and showed me your extension.

522
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 5: She goes, you can touch them if you want.

523
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, happy drunk.

524
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 5: It was awesome.

525
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: It was crazy. That was a fun era.

526
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 5: It was such a fun I miss I missed that.

527
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 5: I miss a lot of those people me too, Like

528
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 5: I think in a way a lot of people, uh

529
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 5: were all over the globe at this point. That was

530
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 5: their sort of like high high school football. You know,

531
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 5: the days that you remember that some people, Yeah.

532
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: The yeah, yeah, it's like the glory days. I mean

533
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: everybody has that at a certain age between your twenties

534
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: and thirties.

535
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 6: It's like a thing or something.

536
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, and everybody thinks that nobody else has it,

537
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 5: or or then it's over for everybody because yours are over.

538
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: No, but it's still it's still going on for somebody.

539
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: Everybody in the city.

540
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 5: They told my dad in the sixties, you know, well,

541
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 5: in the forties he was going to see you know,

542
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 5: Boris Karloff and Broadway and stuff like that. And then

543
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 5: in the in the fifties, when he moved back anyway,

544
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 5: he bounced around, but he moved back here and they

545
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 5: were like New York's over in the fifties, in the fifties,

546
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 5: So just keep that in mind, everybody.

547
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: It's like an organism, you know it Sometimes it's sleepy,

548
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: but like it's never it's it's never going to die. Yeah,

549
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: well hopefully, hopefully. Yeah.

550
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 5: I love the city.

551
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: I love this city. So the other tune you did,

552
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: you sent this to me before you put it out,

553
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: and this is a pair of Ubu song. Oh yeah,

554
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: I have never heard of this band. I don't know

555
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: anything about them. I didn't know it, and I was like, damn,

556
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: this song is good, and your voice on this recording

557
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: sounds so sexy and so good.

558
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 5: This was one where I learned how to use Logic Pro.

559
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 5: I learned how to use a better software, and I

560
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 5: laid down all the instruments except drums. I had somebody

561
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 5: fly that in. So when you said you wanted to

562
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 5: play it, I was like, I don't know how, but yeah,

563
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 5: Pair Ubu is this Chicago. It's like art punk, experimental rock,

564
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 5: like all the you know, they don't really know where

565
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 5: to put it, but it's this band from the I

566
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 5: guess the seventies that. Yeah, they just they're brilliant, and everybody,

567
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 5: all the like sort of outside jazz musicians we know,

568
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 5: were a part of it.

569
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 6: It's really so cool. I didn't know anything about it.

570
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: They you always turned me on to stuff I don't

571
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: know about it really.

572
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

573
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: Even in Pus and Boots, you always bring in covers

574
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: by bands that I've never really checked out, you know,

575
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: and they're always kind of just like punk rock, right

576
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: a little bit.

577
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, in that realm after after nine to eleven,

578
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 5: like a month after nine eleven, I used to tamp

579
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 5: at the World Financial Center, so the time, and they

580
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 5: they had this company that I was working for come

581
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 5: in like a month after, you know, and so it

582
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 5: was still burning and we're you know, nobody's in the

583
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 5: office but us. And I was working for the you know,

584
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 5: a high up guy, and nobody was there. So I

585
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 5: listened to internet radio and like that's where I heard

586
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 5: the song, and I it's from a live There was

587
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 5: a show, uh in the seventies called Night David Sanborn

588
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 5: and Jules Holland. It was called Night Something.

589
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I found that online yesterday.

590
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 6: It's so I can't remember it's like.

591
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 5: A jazz you know, artie show, and so that's where

592
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 5: I lifted it from. And I found it when I moved.

593
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 5: I found it on a CD and I was like, God,

594
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 5: it's just so evocative, like let me walk with you.

595
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: It's such a killer song. The first line that he sings,

596
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: and when your cover too, when you sing it, it's

597
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: just so enticing. Oh yeah, I love it. Let's do it.

598
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what I should play, but I'm gonna

599
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: let's see. You want me to chunk right? Yeah?

600
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 5: If you can?

601
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: Are you gonna play bass?

602
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 5: I'll play bass?

603
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: Cool, I'd see. I didn't know you tempt at or

604
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: that you did financial temping or that you see I

605
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: don't know so much about you.

606
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 5: I tempt. I would bring my upright bass and put

607
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 5: it in the corner and work twelve hours and then

608
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 5: go play a gig.

609
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 6: Are you serious?

610
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: It's awful?

611
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: That's crazy, Okay, the things we do.

612
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: I know.

613
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 5: So this has like a really fun, wandering bass line

614
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 5: that I can't play and sing.

615
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I noticed that it is very wandering.

616
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 5: This is what I call a victory lap basline. From

617
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 5: beginning to end.

618
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: Play guitar in this I love it. Okay, I'm gonna

619
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: play acoustic though.

620
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 5: I love it all right, let's try this.

621
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: Dog day afternoon.

622
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 13: Bye see, think about you?

623
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 3: What am I gonna do? Sorrows hanging over me? Bye

624
00:31:45,360 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: bye bye. Let me walk with you.

625
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: Because it's breaking.

626
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 13: My the things that we had, the good and the bad.

627
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: Now it's sparking up. Don't. Let's talk about tomorrow.

628
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 13: Baby, was standing at the edge of sorrow.

629
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: It's like the whole world's going zap.

630
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: It's like the whole worlds going.

631
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: I know my way around you.

632
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: Still live around here.

633
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 13: I know the sights to see things they mean to me.

634
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 13: How we tore it down.

635
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: Let me walk with you because it's breaking my heart.

636
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 13: Things that we had, the good and bad.

637
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: Now it's sparking up. Don't.

638
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 13: Let's talk about some myro.

639
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: Baby.

640
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 13: It was standing at the edge of sorrow.

641
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: It's like the whole world's going slow.

642
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 1: It's like the whole worlds going.

643
00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: It was a dream. But it was a tin cake.

644
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 3: Now he not a tree. It was a tin cake.

645
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 16: Had I not kicked that? Had I not kicked that?

646
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 16: Had I not kick that? Had I not kick that?

647
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: It was a ge?

648
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 17: Don Let's talk about tomorrow. Baby, it was sting the

649
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 17: edge of sorrow.

650
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: It's like the whole world's going slow.

651
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 17: It's like the whole world, lets going don let's talk

652
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 17: about tomorrow.

653
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 9: He was a gre bitche of sorrow.

654
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, it's folk music.

655
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: Hell, Louis Armstrong.

656
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 5: What did he say is all music is folk music.

657
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 5: Courses don't make music something like that. That's fucking awesome.

658
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 6: We got it, We got it. That was cool.

659
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that song it's and you.

660
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 5: I just it's so cool to play. I mean not

661
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 5: that I ever play this. I did it one live

662
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 5: show and then so to get to play it anyways

663
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 5: extra for me.

664
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: So we did an emails episode a few a few

665
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and we got all these requests for who

666
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: people want on the podcast, and I think you were

667
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: the most requested person. Did you write in a bunch?

668
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: Did? Yeah?

669
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 5: It was the email address. No, I'm just yeah I did.

670
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 5: I didn't. No, I can't believe it.

671
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 6: You're the most requested person.

672
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: And one person requested Paul McCartney and Kat Popper, which

673
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: I thought was amazing.

674
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 5: Well, it would have been odd to I wouldn't want

675
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 5: to show him up. So I'm glad that he wasn't

676
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 5: here together. Yeah, okay, well that would have been that

677
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 5: would have been fun. It would have been really awkward

678
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 5: for him. That's how I learned how to play bass.

679
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 5: Was his bass line in James Jamerson's bass lines. Yeah, yeah,

680
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 5: oh electro electric.

681
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, in your thirties, that's crazy.

682
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was in my thirties. And then when I

683
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 5: started playing rock music, people were like, why don't you

684
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 5: play with the kick drum? And it was you know,

685
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 5: you're supposed to go boom, boom boom, and I was

686
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 5: playing all these dancy Beatles lines and Jamerson.

687
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you're you're a very lyrical bass player.

688
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 5: It took me forever to figure out how to play

689
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 5: with the kick drum because I thought, well, the kick

690
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 5: drum is doing that, why do I have to do that?

691
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 5: But you know sometimes it's called for that's crazy.

692
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know any of that.

693
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 5: Well, that makes me so happy.

694
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: We should play another song. Let's jump forward. You're in

695
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: this whole rock scene for the last fifteen or so years,

696
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: twenty years.

697
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 5: Maybe. I always have to look up on Wikipedia how

698
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 5: old I am?

699
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: How old are you? No, don't you wo not have

700
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: to go out there?

701
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 5: I'm fifty this year.

702
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: That's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah, I remember your fortieth. We

703
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: brought you a yellow cake. I remember seeing you at

704
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: the living room, seeing you at that wedding, and then

705
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you were playing with Ryan Adams,

706
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: who I was a huge fan of at that time.

707
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: I was like a massive It was a big influencer

708
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: on me those.

709
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 6: First few records.

710
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 5: Oh wow.

711
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I don't think I knew you that

712
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: well when he called me in to sing on was

713
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: that Cold Roses?

714
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 15: Yes?

715
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, God, that song you guys did together.

716
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: It's still my favorite, But that we didn't really know

717
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: each other. Well, we knew each other, but remember when

718
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 1: I came in and.

719
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do. I couldn't believe. And you he sat

720
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 5: at the piano with you. You guys recorded it sitting

721
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 5: next to each other, right, I.

722
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: Mean we only did like two takes. No, we did

723
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: one take. He wouldn't let us do it again.

724
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 5: And that's how we recorded the whole album. He would

725
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: sort of come in four hours late and then you know,

726
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 5: say press go, and the mics wouldn't be ready, and

727
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 5: he would play a song we'd never heard. Yeah, we

728
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 5: would guess what the chord changes were going to be

729
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 5: and sometimes afterwards we would go in and like punch

730
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 5: the most egregious mistakes.

731
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 6: But that's quite a way to do things.

732
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 5: That was awesome. I loved it.

733
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that fly by the seat of your

734
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: pants get away too, And also like all the mistakes

735
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 1: are kind of beautiful. I remember not liking this one

736
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: vocal thing I did in that take of Dear John,

737
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: and but he wouldn't let us do it again. And

738
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: then now when I listened to it, I'm like, that's nothing.

739
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: That doesn't bother me at all. It's not even it's

740
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: not even that weird.

741
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 5: I think, Yeah, I know, I mean I don't really

742
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 5: listen to that stuff very often. It was a hard

743
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 5: time for me. Yeah, but when I do, I'm like, gos, shit,

744
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: I can't believe the snapshots, you know.

745
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're snapshots. That's what these recordings are. And that's

746
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: why when they're so off the cuff, it's so much

747
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: more special, I think.

748
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 5: And what we're doing today, where you know, we didn't

749
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 5: rehearse this stuff, and I don't play my songs ever,

750
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 5: and I've never played them and sang that at the

751
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 5: same time, like this is what music should.

752
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: Be like, you know, but I love that you're putting

753
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: out singles now well as a you, as a you,

754
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: a cat popper. I look on Spotify for cat Popper

755
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: and your name comes up as an artist and it's

756
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: you doing your song Maybe it's all right, you know,

757
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: and I think that's so cool.

758
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 5: Well, I was pushed a friend. I recorded it on

759
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 5: garage Band and I wrote it. It's another song yet

760
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 5: about it's called maybe It's all right, And it's not

761
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 5: like it's all right. It's like, well, maybe it's all right?

762
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 5: Like can I live with? Maybe? Like something terrible is

763
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 5: how to me? Can I live with? Maybe this is

764
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 5: going to serve me or someone else in some way,

765
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 5: because like everybody's gonna die, and you know, it's easy

766
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 5: to forget that, but like, can I believe in a

767
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 5: loving universe that like is gonna you know, uh let

768
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 5: me die. So anyway, just during the pandemic, I pulled

769
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 5: out my recording gear and you know, I recorded that

770
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 5: song and it's like it's a mess.

771
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: It's great.

772
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 5: Well, it's a great song. But like when I recorded

773
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 5: the vocal, I laid down on the couch and just

774
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 5: laid the microphone on my face, like I just so

775
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 5: there's no pop screen on it or anything. It's you know.

776
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 5: And then my friend Jesse Mallin, who's one of my

777
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 5: best friends. He's he has a small record label called

778
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 5: Velvet Elk Records, and he said, let's put it out.

779
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 5: I was like, are you nuts?

780
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: I feel like he's one of your pushers. He like,

781
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: he pushes, he he rolls you in the same directions

782
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: that me and Sasha might have ten years ago, like

783
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: tried to trying to like remind you that you're bad.

784
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 5: He he I'm so lucky, Like he does it all

785
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 5: the time, and he he insisted. And I my first

786
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 5: question was why, like that sounds like work and.

787
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: Then it doesn't have to be though it.

788
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: Doesn't know because I thought I was supposed to make

789
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 5: a record and tour. He's like, let's just put the single.

790
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: No, he makes records like you can just put singles out.

791
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 5: You can just put singles. Great, and then you know,

792
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 5: we had Jamie, your front of house guy Landry mix it,

793
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 5: which was not an easy task because I didn't know that, Yeah,

794
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 5: it's a mess.

795
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 6: I didn't know Jamie mixed that.

796
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 5: So he did a great job and then we made

797
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 5: a video about being My friend Vivian Wong made a video.

798
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 5: It was during a pandemic, and I did all this

799
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 5: nerd research about old historical places that are gone or

800
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 5: are still there, and we did before and after pictures

801
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 5: that we took from archives.

802
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: Well, that like ties in with your your sort of

803
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: interest in all that stuff history nerds do. History. You're

804
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: such you're the biggest history buff.

805
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 5: Do you remember when you you renovated your house and

806
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 5: you wouldn't let me metal detect you.

807
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: You asked if you could come over and metal detect

808
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: when we dug out the basement, and I actually didn't

809
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: care if you did. But then my contractor said that

810
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: if you found a body or a bone, then we'd

811
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: have to stop the whole project.

812
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 6: So maybe it's better to not let her.

813
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: I would have. It's true.

814
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 5: New York City is basically built on hundreds of years

815
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 5: of dead people.

816
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: Like my, God, that's crazy. I was, so, I was like, God, oh,

817
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: I would have. I just I didn't not want to

818
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: know you don't live.

819
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 5: There, or kiss off your contractor.

820
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 6: I just didn't want to know.

821
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: That's I'll be That'll be the title in my book.

822
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 5: Nora wouldn't let me metal detect her.

823
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: I Also, I don't think I realized that metal detect

824
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: was a verb, like I'm gonna can I come over

825
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: and metal detect at your house? Is that the C word?

826
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: A verb?

827
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 5: Is that the correct I think, like like true people

828
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 5: they just call they say, uh, there's there's a word

829
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 5: for it.

830
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: But detecting, Yeah, oh.

831
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 6: Just detecting.

832
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 5: I think so.

833
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: But I like metal detect, metal detect. I think that

834
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: should be the name of your album when you finish it,

835
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: metal detect well, because also you're kind of you're kind

836
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: of hardcore underneath it all middle metal detect. I mean,

837
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: even though these songs are kind of sweet, you have

838
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: like a punk rock aura about you, you know what

839
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: I mean.

840
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 5: It's a cool layer, neurotic nugat and then a punk por.

841
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: Punk center, a chewy punk center.

842
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 6: Detect.

843
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 1: That should we do that song?

844
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do it.

845
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me switch to piano. You're gonna

846
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: play acoustic.

847
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 5: I'm gonna play acoustic.

848
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 18: Sweet?

849
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: Thanks?

850
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 6: Really mean to play guitar, dude.

851
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 5: Anything you want to?

852
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a cutie guitar?

853
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: Is that?

854
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: I know it's old, but is it new to you?

855
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: Got it.

856
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 5: I got it at Main Drag. I walked in. I

857
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 5: was like, right now a lot. So it's like two

858
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 5: hundred bucks.

859
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 6: Wow.

860
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really cute.

861
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: It's really cute. Do you know what your it is?

862
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 5: I don't know anything about it.

863
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 6: That's awesome.

864
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 5: I think it smells like a little bit like poop,

865
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 5: so I think it has a little bit of rot

866
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 5: in it. And I put it on a form of

867
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 5: like what do you do if your guitar smells like poop?

868
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 5: And and everybody was stumped.

869
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: That sounds like a screen good screen bag crab. Right,

870
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: all right, So I guess I'm just gonna follow you.

871
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 5: This song about love and loss? Remember if our Loves

872
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 5: one of the songs we would do when you would always.

873
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 13: M hm.

874
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't remember. I don't know.

875
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 5: We never knew.

876
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: Oh.

877
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 5: Sometimes you would do it on hate You, so it

878
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 5: was like we never knew when you were going to start.

879
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: Oh, and I would do like a weird intro like

880
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: milk it.

881
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 5: I don't remember, but you would be doing it. You'd

882
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 5: be flirting with us, like when when am I going

883
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 5: to stop mess with you?

884
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Let's do a gig soon. I miss it, don't cheez mmm.

885
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: I only get you and Sasha individually, now.

886
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 5: I know.

887
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: I know.

888
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 5: It's like there's been a divorce.

889
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 6: No, there hasn't.

890
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: It's just it's too hard to schedule.

891
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: No.

892
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: No, I don't mean like like, yeah, yeah, I have

893
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: you have custody of me today. Sasha had custody of

894
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: me last night because we went out.

895
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 5: And then I get custody because we're going to be

896
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 5: playing some.

897
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: Great Yeah you're you and Sasha are doing some stuff together.

898
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: I know that's awesome. I know, all right, we'll do

899
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: it soon. Put some boots. We'll be back, mark my words,

900
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: we'll be buck.

901
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 13: Okay, lean, I might not mind that.

902
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: A slow down and I lose.

903
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 13: I guess I just get tired of waiting to feel

904
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 13: all right.

905
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: Maybe that's all right. I got a bit play.

906
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 17: Fascination with a thousand ways to let you do. I

907
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 17: sit here, walking at my foose, and maybe that's sorry.

908
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: Maybe it's all right.

909
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 17: The sweetest snow, sticky in the throat, empty nig sit

910
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 17: night again, and let's all.

911
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: Oh, man, so complicated a rattle.

912
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 19: When I want to settle down, sleepy, it fills up

913
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 19: with sparrows.

914
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 13: All night, all right.

915
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: The sweetest snow. Still in the road.

916
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 13: I can't Fina Carapa sings.

917
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 17: Yes, that's all right, that's all round, it's all right. Maybe,

918
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 17: oh just baby, I'll take my chances.

919
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: As I'm falling.

920
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 17: The wine's wind until I find these flowers in my way.

921
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 3: If life was fair, i'd be struggled.

922
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 17: Sweetest snow, sweetly in my role.

923
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 8: Happy nags, so Jesus, and that's all.

924
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 2: It's so, it's so, that's all.

925
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: I sucked the ending, stuck the ending.

926
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 5: Nobody will remember the rest of it.

927
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: I forgot to come in on that one harmony, but

928
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: I think I covered Okay.

929
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 6: I love that line.

930
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: I've got a whiplash fascination with a thousand ways to

931
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: let you down right, that's fucked up walking into a room?

932
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 3: How abmu? I gonna fuck it up today? Yeah?

933
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: Right, Oh my god, that's amazing. Yeah. I love the Yeah.

934
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: You play guitar, you play loud. I don't mean to no, no,

935
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's great. It's like your sound. We all

936
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: have our little sounds.

937
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 5: Maybe it would be easier if I didn't play so loud,

938
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 5: but I don't know any.

939
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: Better for who I mean. I think that's cool. It

940
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: kind of dictates the vibe, you know, whenever we switch

941
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: guitars on stage with put some boots anyway, because we

942
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: always share guitars, it's so funny how different our feels

943
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: are and how different the amp settings have to be.

944
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: It's almost like harder to share a guitar. And also

945
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: like you and Sasha are so much harder than me.

946
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: We have to mark the straps so that I cause

947
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: I play it way higher the guitar strap.

948
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 5: It's so great when we play. But also because I

949
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 5: think a lot of people have you know, they have

950
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 5: texts and stuff. You have texts in your band and

951
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 5: we don't. So we're doing all that stuff in between

952
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 5: songs and it's part of the show. It's like, this

953
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 5: is all the stuff that goes on to make music happen.

954
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like a little complicated since we've

955
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: both we all three switch around on instruments so much now,

956
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: but it's also kind of simple because we just share

957
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: instruments and we can do it ourselves.

958
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 5: It's like musical instruments, that's that's your joke. That's not funny.

959
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 6: That's it's never been not funny or funny to.

960
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 5: Make grony funny.

961
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: You've always done that joke on stage, you know, I

962
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 1: can't help it, like a compulsion. You're great. Our shows

963
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: are so funny because, like we we do really quiet

964
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: ballads a lot, but then I feel like the energy

965
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: is punk rock because you and Sasha are always just

966
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: totally insane on stage.

967
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 5: And then you pick your moments.

968
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: I pick my moments because I don't I don't know

969
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: if I can match your your funniness, Like you're so

970
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: funny and Sasha is so funny, and I'm always like

971
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: the quiet one, and then I'll just be like me

972
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: ah or something.

973
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 5: But it's almost too like you're just you know, you

974
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 5: don't need to vibe for space. You have these do

975
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 5: you have these singers that come out and I think

976
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 5: people are like, holy shit, that's that's the one who

977
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 5: sang that song that I love so much. That's fucking awesome.

978
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 6: I don't know.

979
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: I feel like a little gnome in our band sometimes

980
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: like really, yeah, I don't know, but also not at all.

981
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: I think. I think you guys are so good at

982
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: interacting with the audience, and it's never been something I've

983
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: I've always been shy to look at the audience. So

984
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: when we're in that band, I'm like forced to stand

985
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: there in front of the audience. But I always my

986
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: instinct when I'm standing on a stage because I'm used

987
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: to sitting in right at a piano, So my instinct

988
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: when I'm standing on a stage is kind of to

989
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: shrink back into myself or back into the back of

990
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: the stage almost. It's kind of funny.

991
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 5: It's because it just comes across as confidence, and I'm

992
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 5: super codependent, so I want to make sure everybody's having

993
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 5: a good time.

994
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I'm I. I that's interesting to me.

995
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, And they say, you know, it's like everything you

996
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 5: know has a skillful and on skillful side, So it

997
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 5: means that I'm kind of you know I Maybe some

998
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 5: people disagree, but I feel like I'm kind of comfortable

999
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 5: on the mic, and I think it's yeah, just because

1000
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 5: you know, it's like I'm having a party and I

1001
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 5: feel guilty. You have to put pants on, and.

1002
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: You're the host of the party, so you want to

1003
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: make sure that they're comfortable in their waistbands, right, that's funny.

1004
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, I like when we play at bars

1005
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: and stuff, like when we play at Sunny's, I feel

1006
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: more comfortable in those settings for some reason than on

1007
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: a stage.

1008
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 6: With this band particularly.

1009
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

1010
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 5: Well, I think it serves us. You know, there's people

1011
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 5: who come to see music who love it so much,

1012
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 5: and they don't there's not like a raucous vibe, and

1013
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 5: I think, you know, it's I don't know. I don't

1014
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 5: know if it's different now because of the Internet, but

1015
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 5: I feel like people forget that the vibe that they

1016
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 5: bring as a crowd is a part. It is all show.

1017
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's like the fifth Beetle. Yeah

1018
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: it is, aren't there, Fine, it's the sixth Beetles. I

1019
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: don't know.

1020
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 5: I'm just kidding.

1021
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how any ping you're kidding. It's the

1022
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: It's the fourth Puss.

1023
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 5: It's true. So when people people who know us come,

1024
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 5: they know that, they're like, you know, they heckle us

1025
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 5: and the woo a lot, and then other people they're like, oh,

1026
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 5: we need to be respectful, which is really nice.

1027
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 6: It's really nice, but it's actually not what we want.

1028
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

1029
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: And the truth is even at my Nora Jones shows,

1030
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: I love hecklers. I love people yelling at me or

1031
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: woo age or wooing or even.

1032
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 6: Like even yelling.

1033
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: I know something, there's always a tipping point where it

1034
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: gets obnoxious. But like I much prefer like a raucous,

1035
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: yelly audience then right, Like you don't want to like clappers,

1036
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: and you don't.

1037
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 5: Want the one lady who's yelling in between every song

1038
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 5: or I like.

1039
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: Her until about halfway about the set, and then I'm like,

1040
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: all right, lady, you.

1041
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 5: Know, because that's that's but like wooing wooing and you know,

1042
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 5: woo wooing woo woo.

1043
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: And then yeah, fuck yeah, I still get freebird every

1044
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: once in a while. Which is it always.

1045
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 6: Cracks me up?

1046
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 5: So disappointing.

1047
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I think people just think it's

1048
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: still funny.

1049
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 5: The best heckle that I shouldn't give this up is

1050
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 5: after somebody's first song is to scream one more?

1051
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: Have you ever done that?

1052
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 5: I did that a thousand times at the living room.

1053
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 5: It had to be edited out of like which alive.

1054
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: More?

1055
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 20: All right?

1056
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: We got more for that's pretty funny? All right? Will

1057
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: you come to my show and do that someday?

1058
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

1059
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: One more?

1060
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 5: One more? Yeah? Or y'all play that one good one?

1061
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: Okay, no, that's not cool.

1062
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 5: But it's like, uh, usually people will know it's me.

1063
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, cat's here.

1064
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 3: Cats here.

1065
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 6: You cracked me up. Well, you did a show solo.

1066
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 5: I did one just so Mallan had me do. He

1067
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 5: was like a sold out stone Bony show. And I

1068
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 5: opened and I played five songs solo.

1069
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: Solo.

1070
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 3: Well no, no, no, oh.

1071
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 6: You had a band.

1072
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 8: No.

1073
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: I meant like on stage, you had a band. Oh, fun,

1074
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: that's fun.

1075
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 5: Well, I'd never done it before, so it's like, oh,

1076
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 5: it's like I gotta pay people. I got the range,

1077
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 5: rehearsal times and get everybody to the gigs.

1078
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're used to not being the organizer.

1079
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 5: No, it's hard. I'd sit in the back and complain

1080
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 5: about stuff.

1081
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: You you're like one of the most favorite side people.

1082
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 6: You're a side person.

1083
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 5: I am.

1084
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I feel like you are. You have done

1085
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: so many great gigs as a bass player as part

1086
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: of the band, an important part of the band, but

1087
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: not the front man, not having to organize, not you know,

1088
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: getting on payroll, but not having to you know, overthink

1089
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: the the logistics of the stuff.

1090
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 5: It's so hard and just to do, you know, in

1091
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 5: the interview show that I'm working on, which I just

1092
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 5: as have been like this weird brain child, but just

1093
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 5: to you know, it's a video show where we intern

1094
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 5: few people.

1095
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 3: You may have.

1096
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 6: Done it yesterday.

1097
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, done it?

1098
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 5: I mean you may have. I'm not sure.

1099
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 6: I definitely did.

1100
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 5: But it's like just you know, having to come up

1101
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 5: with the interviews and the ideas and then I'm doing most.

1102
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 5: I have a partner, Dave. He's like, he's my producer,

1103
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 5: my partner. But like I've learned how to use film software,

1104
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 5: So editing something is like recreating. Yeah, you know, it's

1105
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 5: like it's like throwing a bunch of It's like the

1106
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 5: filming or the recording process is dropping a deck of

1107
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 5: cards and then building them back up. Is editing so

1108
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 5: you can make anything out of them. I had no idea.

1109
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're getting creative.

1110
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's exhausting.

1111
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: It's it's exhausting. Is it more exhausting than touring on

1112
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: a tour bus with a bunch of stinky bandmates?

1113
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 5: It is more exhausting, But it's it's I just I.

1114
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 6: Ran out of steam to do that was hard.

1115
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I ran out of steam.

1116
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: I feel like the way you toured to like when

1117
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: you were touring with Ryan, it was it was a

1118
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: really long run. It was just long bunch of years.

1119
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: He didn't really stop, did he.

1120
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 5: Well, you know we did because he would either he

1121
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 5: would like fire us for a little while, or he

1122
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 5: would cancel a tour. I think it was. It was

1123
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 5: after that, the Jack White stuff and the Grace Potter stuff.

1124
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 5: It was, you know, it was a lot at the

1125
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,959
Speaker 5: Grace Potter. We never came home.

1126
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 6: She never stopped.

1127
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 5: She never stopped.

1128
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: So when how long did you do Grace Grace Potter Race?

1129
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 5: A few years?

1130
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 6: You were a nocturnal.

1131
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 5: I was a nocturnal and it was so I mean,

1132
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 5: I the only reason I left the band was because

1133
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 5: it was like I have dogs, and yeah, boyfriend, I

1134
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 5: miss I miss them.

1135
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: Well, that road life is a totally different thing. It's

1136
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: a different thing, and it's different whenever you're in a band,

1137
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: even if you care deeply about the band and the

1138
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: music and you have input, it's different when it's not

1139
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: your personal project.

1140
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 5: Well, I always considered myself like a permanent private in

1141
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 5: the army. Yeah, and I always liked to you know, really,

1142
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 5: I liked support people and yeah, my favorite I always

1143
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 5: quote Keith Christopher, my favorite bass player. He said, your

1144
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 5: job as a bass player is to get your drummer laid.

1145
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 5: So I do that, Like, that's what I do, is

1146
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 5: I get I'm like so happy to make everybody feel good.

1147
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 5: And you know, so I love being a side.

1148
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 6: No, you're you do love it.

1149
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: I can see that, but like to make it your

1150
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: life on the road, I mean it's too much.

1151
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's no. My body couldn't take it anymore.

1152
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 6: And you did the Jack White tour.

1153
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: Were you you were a permanent part of the band,

1154
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: but you were you came in after the fact as

1155
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: a sub right, yes, yeah.

1156
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 5: Yes, so I came in and I did. I do

1157
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 5: know it's like a year or something.

1158
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 6: Wow, that's a good amount of time though.

1159
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 5: And it was it was two weeks on, two weeks off.

1160
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: And which is that's a little more reasonable, It's more.

1161
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 5: Reasonable, but it was, you know, it's still a lot,

1162
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 5: and it's you know, Europe and and yeah, and look

1163
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 5: it's I'm so lucky. But I don't know about you

1164
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 5: half these places, Like I think the most I've seen

1165
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 5: of Paris is driving under the Eiffel Tower.

1166
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, on the Yeah, that's life on the road.

1167
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: You don't always get to really check out the town. Yeah,

1168
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: it depends on how it's laid out. But you know,

1169
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: it's more cost effective to not have a day off

1170
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: in every city, Yeah, to just book shows and then.

1171
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 5: The bigger the shows. It's like you're on this bus

1172
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 5: which is like a spaceship, and then you know, you're

1173
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 5: playing in a big venue that's like a space ship.

1174
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 5: So the spaceship docks and the other.

1175
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: Spaceships docks in the belly of the spaceship and like

1176
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: an indoor parking lots and it's usually a little bit

1177
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: off the highway, so it's not like you're in the

1178
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: center of the quaint town, right.

1179
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, so playing you know, smaller venues is awesome,

1180
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 5: but you know you're just like not necessarily going to

1181
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 5: make a ton of money. And it's like like you

1182
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 5: have you have a really good road set up.

1183
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: Well, I've had the fortune of being able to plot

1184
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: it out after you know, the first few years. Yeah,

1185
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: being able to like pick and choose what's easy ish

1186
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: and not easy.

1187
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 5: And you've done you've done harder touring, you've done van touring,

1188
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 5: like you've done.

1189
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: I did do it for a little while, but you know,

1190
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: I got I got upgraded to a bus early on.

1191
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 5: So but it's still nice that you you know.

1192
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: We did a van tour with Puss and Boots with

1193
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: my four month old was in a car seat.

1194
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 5: He loved it. I mean sort of right, he.

1195
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 6: Sort of loved it.

1196
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, he doesn't remember it. My nanny remember

1197
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: we brought my nanny and she's like, this is touring.

1198
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 6: It was a van tour.

1199
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I don't know.

1200
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1201
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: I was like, don't worry, don't worry. When we go

1202
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: out with my thing will be on an It was hilarious.

1203
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: It's like a promise. It's not all like, it's all

1204
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: not on a van.

1205
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, I like van touring, I think,

1206
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 5: especially like in England.

1207
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be It can be sweet if the

1208
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: drives aren't too bad. You got to make sure the

1209
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: drives aren't too long, and that nobody's stinky or eating

1210
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: burritos in the car like.

1211
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 6: Beans or tuna.

1212
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: That wouldn't be good either.

1213
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 5: Or they forgot their tuna sandwich from yesterday.

1214
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: That's yes, and they left there's kippers in the seats

1215
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: all right, well let's let's let's do another song. I'm

1216
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: excited that you're writing and recording and putting out music.

1217
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: It makes me really like glowy happy.

1218
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 5: Well you're so, you're another supportive one. And I like,

1219
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 5: you know how people send you friends send you music

1220
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 5: and stuff. And I was really shy about sending you

1221
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 5: whatever I sent you, and I sent it to you

1222
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 5: and I was like, I'm not you don't have to

1223
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 5: listen to it, but I just wanted you to do,

1224
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 5: you know, And then you were like, holy shit, I

1225
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 5: love this.

1226
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1227
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 5: Oh, because it's just, you know, it's exciting to share

1228
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 5: with friends. And also, you know, the subtext is like

1229
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 5: it's because of you guys that you know. Ah, so

1230
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 5: I had the you know, the courage to do it.

1231
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: It's all building blocks. We're all students and we're all teachers.

1232
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 5: But I just and we'll play another song. I just

1233
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 5: I'm always curious people know that they can do it,

1234
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 5: Like how you knew at an early age that you

1235
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 5: could write music and put it out and tour it,

1236
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 5: and how like I didn't.

1237
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know I could write music until I was

1238
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: probably I think I was like twenty when I wrote

1239
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: Come Away with Me. It was so simple and not fancy,

1240
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: but it was from the heart. And it took me

1241
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: many years after that to feel confident. And then that

1242
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: Jeff tweetybook, you know, how to Write One Song? You

1243
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: know how he talks about, Uh, yeah, there's no writer's block.

1244
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: There's just there's just self editing. Once I figured that out,

1245
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: like maybe ten or fifteen years ago, and that really

1246
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: helped me. It doesn't matter if you think something's crap

1247
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: or not. It's just like you move forward and then

1248
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: you can polish it up at the end. And if

1249
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: it's crap, you don't have to play it for anybody.

1250
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah that's but yeah, he puts it much more poetically

1251
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: in his book.

1252
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 5: But you gave it to me. It was like, I'm

1253
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 5: not reading this.

1254
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually a really good creativity handbook.

1255
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 5: It's just intimidating to it, like how to write what's

1256
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 5: called how to write One Song?

1257
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: No, but that's why you should read it, because why

1258
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: are you intimidated? He breaks it down. I mean, you

1259
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: don't need it, you're writing songs.

1260
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 5: But I think it's like, despite myself, I find myself

1261
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 5: writing a song. But if I think that I'm going to,

1262
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 5: you know, in the artist way she talks about. First

1263
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 5: of all, she says, there's no such thing as laziness.

1264
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 5: It's fear. And it's like, no, no, I'm lazy. I'm

1265
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 5: lazy too, and I'm not. It's fear, or not necessarily fear,

1266
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 5: but just it's like showing up and sitting down and

1267
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 5: just playing in a song usually.

1268
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 6: Comes ueah, fear of working.

1269
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 5: The other thing that, yeah, fear of working. The other

1270
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 5: thing that she says, which is sort of what you said,

1271
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 5: is you take care of the quantity and let the

1272
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 5: universe take care of the quality.

1273
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I have that book on

1274
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: my shelf for twenty years and I've never done it

1275
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: the artist's way. I know it's really good. Well, so

1276
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: I like the Jeff tweedybooks, Like it's like just a

1277
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: great handbook for creativity. It's a great way to spur

1278
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: your own creativity.

1279
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 3: Right.

1280
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 5: It's sort of what got me to the courage to write.

1281
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I want to. Maybe I'll get into it.

1282
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 5: It's really fun.

1283
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: I feel like my kids would be into that in

1284
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: high school or something. Not yet they.

1285
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 5: Would be into it now. It's like the idea is

1286
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 5: once a week you do something, you take yourself on

1287
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 5: an artist date. Right, Yeah, And one of my artists

1288
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 5: dates was look in the mirror and draw a picture

1289
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 5: of yourself. And I was so intimidated and I was laughing.

1290
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 5: It was like, I mean, I'm alone drawing a picture

1291
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 5: and I'm totally intimidated. You know what I mean.

1292
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 6: It's amazing.

1293
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, or go I went to Greenwood Cemetery. I was like,

1294
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 5: I'm going to go to Greenwood Cemetery but myself, and

1295
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 5: on the train, It's like, who do you think you

1296
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 5: are with.

1297
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: In my head?

1298
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 5: And I was like, why would that even be there?

1299
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 6: Why do you have that guy in your head?

1300
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1301
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 6: I guess we all do.

1302
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, either, we probably do. I think some

1303
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 5: of us notice it more than others.

1304
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 6: Maybe that's it. Some of us have it.

1305
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: Ample if some of our guys have a megaphone and

1306
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: some of them are just whispering quietly.

1307
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 5: Well, I've kept you here for ages. We want to play.

1308
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 5: I'll talk to you all day.

1309
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1310
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 5: Well, I'm so glad that I got to be a

1311
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 5: part of it. Like, seriously, thank you for asking me.

1312
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 5: I was so I thought, maybe you were confused, and

1313
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, yeah, I wrote some songs.

1314
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 6: I'm not confused that you're not.

1315
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 5: I'm not confused.

1316
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm not confused. Okay, I have it together. All right,

1317
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: Let's stoop Pine.

1318
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 5: I love it.

1319
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: We talked about earlier. It's that song you wrote, what

1320
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: like the one of the first songs you wrote, maybe

1321
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: when we were starting to put some boots.

1322
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I you know, I used to have an addiction problem,

1323
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 5: and this is about.

1324
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, that I didn't know.

1325
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 5: You knew that you were, you were around for a

1326
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 5: minute of that. Maybe you didn't see it. I didn't

1327
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 5: really Yeah, I think it was like I don't think

1328
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 5: many people saw it, but I.

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Speaker 6: Was probably drunk when I saw it. So let's be honest.

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Speaker 5: But this is about like, there was just a string

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Speaker 5: of people that I knew who died wow from uh

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Speaker 5: drug related death shall we say, And it was happening

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Speaker 5: all around me.

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Speaker 6: So it really was. Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 5: I know, it's so wild and just to like to

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Speaker 5: you know. So it's been it'll be sixteen years in

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Speaker 5: September since I've had anything.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 6: Well it's amazing.

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Speaker 5: I'm just lucky.

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Speaker 1: One day, one day at a time, but one day

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Speaker 1: at a time. You are lucky, but you also are

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Speaker 1: really determined and you did it for yourself.

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Speaker 5: Well, I do think it's a really special come like,

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Speaker 5: it's not because I'm smart, and it's not because I

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Speaker 5: cared a lot. I did get really lucky that it

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Speaker 5: hit at the right time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so lucky is part of life, I guess.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, so I'm stoked that we're going to do it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Do you have that when you write songs that you

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Speaker 5: don't know keitherin?

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Speaker 1: No, I usually know what keitherin.

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Speaker 5: It must be just guitar songs.

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Speaker 1: Actually, whenever we used to do El Madmo, that band

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Speaker 1: I had with daru Oda and Andy Borger, I wrote

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Speaker 1: a few songs like really high up on the neck

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Speaker 1: of the guitar, and I had no idea what I

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Speaker 1: was doing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, yeah, that's maybe it's all right. People are like,

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Speaker 5: I'm not playing that guitar part. Doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: Also, yeah, that's too. The chords are weird. They're like

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Speaker 1: kind of a shell of a one four or five,

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Speaker 1: but then they have like weird extensions in them. And

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Speaker 1: you know, we just did this.

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Speaker 5: Until I think it's a lot of replacements.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you love the replacements, I know you do. All Right,

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Speaker 1: here we go. I'm gonna play piano. Yeah, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to play guitar unless you want it. But no,

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Speaker 1: let me try this.

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Speaker 5: Nobody wants extra shit.

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Speaker 1: No, I love your guitar. And but I have a

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Speaker 1: thing I might.

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Speaker 5: I can't wait.

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Speaker 20: I just have a little idea. Here, pie tallingly.

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Speaker 17: Get picked up one by one, shimmer in the street, line.

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Speaker 3: Shimmles. The code is so mean. Words do they know?

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Speaker 3: They leave.

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Speaker 7: In the w.

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Speaker 3: Sleepenless snows. The blood of the screen.

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01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: Was z.

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01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 13: By ch.

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01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 3: The wind spread leave so lasted.

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Speaker 10: We captly the raid.

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Speaker 3: In tire every hole.

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01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 10: And girded the.

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01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 3: Room with a stack of our souls.

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01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:41,440
Speaker 10: The bars held the hall of the advantail.

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01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 3: We rive TIVI st trees that took a who stayed

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Speaker 3: sail sway and sleep.

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Speaker 14: And lea hot spreak.

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Speaker 4: For thing.

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Speaker 18: Said, that's sad as shit, but sad, it's so sad,

1395
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 18: so grim.

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01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: It's grim, but he's really pretty.

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Speaker 3: That was fad.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me wait.

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 5: Perfect, thank you for learning my songs and for being

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01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 5: a generous friend.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say a gentleman, A

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01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: gentleman and a scholar.

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01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 5: I love you, and you didn't mention my prosthesis today, which,

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01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 5: oh you.

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01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: Have a prosthetic thumb today, I do. I love you

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01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: so much. Thanks for doing this.

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01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 5: Thank you can believe you asked. Thanks everybody, there's a

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01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 5: whole there's twenty people the audience today.

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01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 6: I don't think so. You have a lot of fans.

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01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: I know because they wrote in asking me to have

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01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: you on the show.

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01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for that. Don't buy anything I'm selling

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01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 5: because I'm not selling anything yet. But one day, you know,

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01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 5: buy something if I'm selling it. But until then, just

1416
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 5: like be cool and try to be nice to people

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01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 5: on the internet.

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01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 6: Wise words from a wise woman.

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01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 5: I love you.

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01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: I love you.

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01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 3: I'm just Oh, that was fun.

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01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 4: She's so funny.

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01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 7: I love her.

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01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: She is so funny. I felt like I interrupted a

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01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: lot because I was so comfortable with her. It didn't

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01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: I didn't remember we were doing like an interview.

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Speaker 4: This is recorded, Nora.

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01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, it kind of felt like band rehearsal.

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Speaker 4: I love her singing voice. It's so sweet and sort

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01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 4: of haunting.

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01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: It's high and lonesome, right, It's got that Highlands.

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01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 4: She's got a thing that I can't isn't like anything

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Speaker 4: else I've heard.

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01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: It's just that sort of heart melancholy coming through I know.

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01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: I also love her voice very much.

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01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 4: And she's like clever with her songwriting.

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01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, her lyrics are great, she's very poetic, and then

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01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: she just is hilarious.

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01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 4: Anyway, we love Kat. She's awesome.

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01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: Kat.

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01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 4: Thanks for doing this.

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01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: If you're curious about some of the songs we played,

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Speaker 1: the first one, written by Cat, is called Lucky and

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01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: it's off of the Puss and Boots album Sister. The

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01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: second song we did was a pair of Ubu cover

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01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: called Breath, and Cat put that out as a single

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01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: available online. The third song is called Maybe It's All Right,

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01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: written by Cat Popper, also available as a single online

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01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,560
Speaker 1: under Cat Popper. The fourth song is called Pines and

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01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: it's off the Puss and Boots album No Fools, No Fun.

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01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. Don't forget to subscribe to Noradja owns

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 4: is playing along wherever you get your podcasts so you

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01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 4: never miss a new episode.

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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded by Matt Marinelli and mixed by

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Speaker 1: Jamie Landry, edited by Sarah Oda. Additional engineering by Greg

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Speaker 1: Tobler and Steven Sacho. Artwork by Eliza Frye, Photography by

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Speaker 1: Shervin Linez. Produced by Me and my Oda, Me and

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Speaker 1: my Oda