1 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: You must be eager. Now it's pronounced ron Anian, but 2 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: they told me it was Eagle. Computer flashing is just 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: becoming more and more predominant. It is. It is just 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: such a huge part of the repair process. Today the 5 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Dodge in Maryland, Europe. Next with the car Doctor. 6 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: How can I help? Yeah, you're living dangerously today. You know, 7 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: if Wolf from Hawaii calls, my day will be over. 8 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of ron and Nanian the 9 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. Since this is where car owners the world 10 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: overturned to for their definitive opinion, not automotive repair. If 11 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the 12 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: phone and call in. The garage doors are open, but 13 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: I am here to take your calls at eight five 14 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: five five six, And now you are talking about the 15 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind. He running. Hey, it's 16 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: time to start your engines. Long. Welcome Nini and the 17 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: Car Doctor here at eight five five five six zero 18 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: nine zero, here to take your calls and answer your questions. 19 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: Whatever you've got going on. Make your problem the car 20 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Doctor's problem. Let's fix the car and get it back 21 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: out on the road. Busy week at the shop is 22 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: always in a busy week here ahead, as I can 23 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: or a busy couple of two hours here ahead, as 24 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: I can see. As we are just jammed with all 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: kinds of information and all kinds of requests and conversations 26 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: last week's show, and I was gonna do this, let 27 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: me do this now and and and because it it 28 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: seemed to be a hot button topic last week. Last week, 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: if you recall, we were talking about stable fuel additive 30 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: and and some of the issues with storing a vehicle, 31 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: uh for the you know, storage months for winter, and 32 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: what happens to the gasoline and how it changes in turns. 33 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: And well, I'll tell you what it's It's been a 34 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: while since we've seen something generate this much email and 35 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: this many phone calls. This comes to us. Well, let 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: me tell you this the backside of this email that 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Micah has sent us. Mica from Man he's a regular 38 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: listener to the show here. Um, if you recall Dodge 39 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: from Maryland, Dodge, if you're out there today, buddy, you 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: sure created a firestorm. Uh. Dodge from Maryland called up 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: and his suggestion was, why not use aviation gas? Right, 42 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: we were gonna put aviation gas in the vehicle and 43 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: use that for storage purposes and you know, instead of 44 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: doing the stable and then it's hundred octane and so forth. 45 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: But as so many of you pointed out, and Dodge, 46 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you're aware of this again if 47 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: you're out there listening, but aviation fuel is leaded, and 48 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: the problem is that let it fuel in a modern 49 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: vehicle if it's if it is modern, is going to 50 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: create problems with the catalytic converter. So that's an issue now. 51 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: I guess maybe Dodge might have been speaking in terms 52 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: of an older car classic, and I suppose that's possible, 53 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: but the problem is still finding that particular fuel. Where 54 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: are you going to get it? Now? And I'll listen, 55 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of eth at all. I've seen 56 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 1: the damage that it does and I understand all that, 57 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: but it's just, you know, I want to make it clear. 58 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: You can't just drive your your your your newer vehicle 59 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: and have someone put aviation fuel in it or put 60 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: it in via a gas can and think that it's 61 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: gonna be safe. And there's a lot of there's a 62 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: lot of nice newer, modern day muscle cars. If I 63 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: can use the term that. You know, the the the 64 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: newer Mustangs, the newer you know, CHRISTI has got a 65 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: bunch of really neat stuff, um newer corvettes. I'm sure 66 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: a lot of cars that don't get driven in the 67 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: winter months, depending upon where you are, what part of 68 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: the world, And you know you've got to be aware 69 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: of that. It's not a simple matter. Micro wrote in Hey, Ron, 70 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: I listened to the show this week. I'm sorry Dodge. 71 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call him like I see him. And some 72 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: crazy person call then to say, use aviation gas in 73 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: your automobile. Well that's what it's said in the email, Mikey. 74 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: I listened to the show this week and some crazy 75 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: person called then to say, use aviation gas in your automobile. 76 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: If you want alcohol free fuel, you know you gotta 77 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: say one thing, Car Doctor. Listeners are are very direct. 78 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to disparage the caller, but he is 79 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: at a minimum misinformed. Aviation gas is designed specifically for 80 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: aircraft engines, continentals, and light comings, among others. Aviation gas 81 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: is still a lead field gasoline. It's almost always tinted 82 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: blue to distinguish it from lead free gasolines. If put 83 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: in a vehicle. It will destroy the catalytic converter if equipped, 84 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: even though it's well over one octane, which never put 85 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: any amount of aviation gas in a vehicle, well, any 86 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: vehicle that's equipped with a mission controls and catalytic converters. UM. 87 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: As a regular contributor to the Airplane Geeks podcast, I 88 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: am well aware that the above information is correct. It's 89 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: been a discussion item many times based on environmental activists 90 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: making scenes over av gas still containing lead. Wasn't sure 91 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: if you were aware of this, and I thought would 92 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: be very important for your listeners to know that as 93 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: a call and giving very bad and dangerous information. Mica 94 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: from me. Um, I was Mica now, and I'm gonna 95 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: comment on it from this perspective. So the hot rod 96 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: the fifty Chevy is a non catalytic converter. Oh my god, 97 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: I have a non catalytic converter cuiped vehicle. Yeah, I 98 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't run it. I wouldn't run a gas in that either. 99 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: The engine that is designed to work on pump octane 100 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: fuel and it works very well. So I'm not sure 101 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: if we need to run AVC aviation gas like that. UM, 102 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: I get it. I get what Dodges trying to do. Listen, 103 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: my whole conversation about this was simply in terms of storage, 104 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: it's just easier to stop down at your local parts house, 105 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: walk into an Orailliota parts, pick up a bottle of 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: stable fuel and and gas additive and it will do 107 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: the job for probably ten bucks. Not to mention, you know, 108 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: because the problem becomes if you do and this is 109 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: this is the backside of it. If you put aviation 110 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: fuel into a vehicle with a catalytic converter, sure it'll 111 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: store okay, but when you go to start it, you 112 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: can't run. Let it fuel through a cat You're gonna 113 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna shorten its life. You know, you can sit 114 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 1: there and say, hey, Ron, it's only a gallon of fuel, 115 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: or maybe it's two gallons of fuel. How much harm 116 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: could it do? I don't know. Think about some of 117 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: the hot rods today and some of the performance vehicles 118 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: that have anywhere from four to six catalytic converters on it, 119 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: and how many oxygen sensors and some of the other 120 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: mission controls, and the cost of damaging these things, and 121 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: it's just not worth it. Just Just spend the ten bucks, 122 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: by a bottle of stable. It's not hard, alright, Dodge. 123 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: I don't think you're crazy, Mike, it does I don't. 124 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: I just want to be clear. So let's kick the 125 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: garage doors open. Let's go and talk to Charlie in 126 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: Arizona Nissan pick him up truck. Charlie, Welcome to the 127 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: car doctor, sir, How can I help hi? Yes, this 128 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: pick up set for a couple of months. My neighbor 129 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: had it and he was driving it right before that 130 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: they passed away. They wanted me to get it running, 131 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: so I couldn't get any fuel to it. Okay, and 132 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: I've got fuel to it. But what happens is I 133 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,119 Speaker 1: checked under the you know, the the ten m fuse 134 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: for the fuel pump, and then I pulled the relay 135 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: for the fuel pump. And when I turned the key 136 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: on run, I'm getting one terminal with power and if 137 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: I jump it, it's not kicking that relay. And but 138 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: if I jump at across, I'm kicking in the fuel 139 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: pump and everything works. Right. So you're you're stumped, you well, 140 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: so you're you're just jumpering the relay. This is a 141 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: this is a pick up? What this is a Nissan 142 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: what uh, yeah, just a small and with a little 143 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: four cylinder um what what what model was? And I'm 144 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: trying to remember what I was was it was this 145 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: A D twenty one back in the day. Yeah, it's 146 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: I believe wrong, I'm looking at it right now. Yeah, 147 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: this is this sort of rings a bell. So the 148 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: issue becomes what you're saying is what you're saying is 149 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: you turn the key. You've got power there, but you've 150 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: got no ground from the PCM to energize the fuel pump. Yeah. 151 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm not I'm not, I'm not. I'm 152 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: not too sharp. But if I'm not activating that relay, right, Okay, 153 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: So do you have a wiring diagram on how that 154 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: relay works? So get one because I think what I 155 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: think what you're gonna find is you've got a hot 156 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: on one leg of the relay and you're gonna have 157 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: ground and that ground circuit has to close to energize 158 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: across the coil to energize the relay on the other side. 159 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: All right, now, unless unless you're not, unless you're on 160 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: the switched side of the relay and you're finding power 161 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: there and all you're doing a supplying power of the 162 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: fuel pump. When you say you jumper that wiring, what 163 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: are you doing just taking a spade terminal and jumping 164 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: across it hot to hot? Okay, so hot and then 165 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: the pump right so so it sounds like you're on 166 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: the you're on the switched side of the relay. In 167 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,479 Speaker 1: other words, a relay is like a light switch. All right. 168 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: So you know, we're gonna have a hot in the ground, 169 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: and either we're gonna close the hot in the ground. 170 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: Usually it's ground. Ground is safer form to close, and 171 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: it's going to energize the coil of the relay pullet 172 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: shut and put power across both sides of the relay 173 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: to run whatever it does you want to run, all right. 174 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: So a typical relay, you'll have a hot, a hot, 175 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: and the other two legs one goes to the component 176 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: being run, in this case the fuel pump and the switch, 177 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: which in this case is probably ground across the one 178 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: hot to close the relay. So you've got to find 179 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: out what you know, If you've only got one hot 180 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: out of three possibilities, then we're missing something altogether? What 181 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: are we missing in one? Yeah? And it was roman 182 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: Like I say, it's that. For a couple of months, 183 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: I thought, well, bad gas. But I changed the filter 184 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: and did this and that way I couldn't get the pump. 185 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: And then finally I got the pump to work. But 186 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: what I did know this run is ignisance switches. The 187 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: key won't stay in. It it works, but it's loose. 188 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: Is there any possible way that ignition switch could be 189 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: causing this problem or well, the ignition if if if. 190 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: What you're saying is you can at the key in 191 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: and then it it comes out if it's in the 192 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: running position. Yeah, I can pull a key right out, 193 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: like the tumblers are shocked. Well, as long as it turns. 194 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: It sounds like the tumblers are worn out. Uh, you know, 195 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: it just sounds like they're they're just but it's not 196 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: going to affect you know, you should be able to 197 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: when you turn the key to the on position without 198 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: even crank, it should prime the fuel pump. Right. It 199 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: sends power. It's not, but it sends power to that 200 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: really just just a one terminal. When I turned a 201 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: switch on. When I turn a switch off, it cuts 202 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: that power off. Okay, let's find out how the other 203 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: Let's find out how the other three legs of that 204 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: relay work and the best the best way to do 205 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: that is let's grab a wiring diagram and break it down. 206 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: And if you need more information, to give me a 207 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: shout back next week. Okay, where would I get something 208 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: like that? Ron? Um, Well, you know you're gonna have 209 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: to look online. You're gonna have to look for a 210 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: local library. If you're really stuck. Send me an email 211 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: Ron at car Doctor show dot com. I'll see what 212 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: I can dig up for you. Just send me the 213 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: seventeen digit vin when you do it, and I'll see 214 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: I'll see what I can find. Boy, Thank you much 215 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: kind Yeah, I mean what I'm what I'm what I'm 216 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: thinking about in the back of my mind, Charlie is 217 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: do you have you know the fact that it sat 218 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: for a while? Do you have a are you a 219 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: victim of animals? Did something really? Look? That was my 220 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: first thing I called under I look for you know, 221 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: we have my packgrass, I look for a wire being 222 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: choose somewhere and I'm not finding anything, and I'm just 223 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about that. So that's why I say, 224 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: if we if we know how the thing is supposed 225 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: to work, that we're trying to get to work. Then 226 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: we can have a conversation of Okay, we know power 227 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: comes from X and Y. Let's go look at X 228 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: and Y and follow the path and right exactly exactly 229 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: so as it chewed up or beat up somewhere along 230 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: the way. So shoot me an email if you can't 231 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: find anything, I'll see what I can dig up. Ninety 232 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: one was that was a little while ago. But I'm 233 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: sure we've got something in the library. So um, good 234 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: luck to you, Charlie zero. The card is coming back 235 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: right after this. O. God, that's right. If you call 236 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: and we're not live, you can leave a message and 237 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: we'll call you back to get you on the air 238 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: with Ron eight five five zero nine nine zero zero. 239 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: Speaking of Ron, here he is is that if I'm 240 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: not alive or live, which is I want to make 241 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: sure that we're correct on the English pronunciation. There Tom 242 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: Tom says alive, alive or live? Which way does that work? 243 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I have to go listen to it again. 244 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: But we questioned whether you're alive at times? Well, I 245 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: could be not alive, but then the show would be 246 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: much more boring than it is now. So think about 247 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: who would miss me? You said that, Yeah, how else? Well, 248 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make it easy for you. So 249 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: by the way, tom Um, it's it's earlier. You know, 250 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: this is early October. Take the mask off. Halloween doesn't 251 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: happen for three weeks. I got a Mikey, let's go 252 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: over and talk to Chris. You know what I was 253 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: gonna I was working on a round an Adian costume 254 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: in the ops. Told me in town that it was 255 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: like a little too scary. I you know, how how 256 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: hard could it be to walk around with a big 257 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: star in your chest and a wrench in your hand? 258 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: So I got out of that one. Folks. Let's go 259 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: and talk to christ Wisconsin. Chris. Welcome to the car doctor, Sir. 260 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,599 Speaker 1: How can I get after? Good afternoon? Run um? Longtime 261 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: listener and I really appreciate that your knowledge on vehicles, 262 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: So turning to you for some advice on upgrading to 263 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: a half ton pick up. Um me either or Chevy 264 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: or Forward with the five point three or the five 265 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: O V eight and the pick speed. I'm looking at 266 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: their I don't want to go to the current generation 267 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: because of I've heard you talk several times about things 268 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: are getting so computerized that it's hard for the weekend 269 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: guy to do any work. So I'm going to try 270 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: to stay in the O twelve to the O fourteen 271 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: year range um based on that those parameters. She have 272 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: any insight into the Ford motor tranny versus the Chevy tranny. 273 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean, they both seem to have six speeds and 274 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: they're both five point three or five oh motors, so 275 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: you know in those in that generation, and I tell 276 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: you to widen the parameter a little bit more, you know, 277 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: the trick here is, and I'll explain it like this, Chris. 278 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: If if if you can find an O eight, all right, 279 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: a two thousand eight version of either one of these 280 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: that's got lower mileage with less rust, I would take 281 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: that over the two thousand twelve or fourteen because the 282 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: O eight is even simpler yet, all right, And I'm 283 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: not saying, you know, not to buy a twelve if 284 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: you find one that's you know what you're looking for. 285 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: But you know, if we're looking for simpler, older is simpler, 286 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: all right, and it just it just one of the 287 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: nice things about an older vehicle is we've seen the problems, 288 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: we know what breaks, we know you know how to 289 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: fix it. We've seen the weird stuff by now, and 290 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: and oh eight would be twelve thirteen years old, depending 291 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: on how you want to split the calendar. So you know, 292 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: we we've seen a lot of the failures. Now that 293 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: the backside of that is that you know that OH eight, 294 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, maybe the trans has got less mileage, but 295 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: it is a little older. Seals are a little drier, 296 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: seals have been exposed to environment longer. So will that 297 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: trends have to come out sooner to be resealed or 298 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: repaired or overhauled. It's possible. But you know, if I'm 299 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: buying a vehicle for oh, you know, twenty thousand dollars 300 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: and an OH eight vehicle for twelve thousand dollars, eight 301 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: grhand buys a lot of parts and and and and 302 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: that's in the mix. Now, oh eight is probably and 303 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: I'd have to look at the sevens, but I think 304 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: it was eight. I think eight was where it stopped 305 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: on GM two thousand eight is I think the first 306 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: year they started putting the black vinyl around the brake lines. 307 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: Very important. It might have been on seven to I'd 308 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: have to go back and look at it, but I 309 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: remember specifically oh eight. They made a big deal out 310 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: of it because you know, the engine and the trans 311 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: are important, but it's all the little stupid stuff that's 312 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: gonna fall up along the way. Not to say the 313 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: brake lines are stupid. Uh, you know, it's just you've 314 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: got to look to see, you know, what kind of 315 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: shape are the brake lines, and what kind of shape 316 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: is the fuel system? And you know where where's the 317 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: where are the pockets of rust? Pull the dipstick out? 318 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: You know, does the dipstick of the engine have varnish 319 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: on it? How much varnish? How burnt and fried? Does 320 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: the oil look like it's been a dipstick? Is? You know? 321 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: Is the tell all? All right? It'll it'll it'll tell 322 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: you if the guy was a cheater or not. It'll 323 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: tell you if the guy wasn't wasn't faithful to the car, 324 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: if the oil wasn't changed on a regular basis. Then 325 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: you got to decide how much do you want tolerate 326 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: what's there? Uh, you know, very important. Uh. The dipstick 327 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: tells a lot um. Rust tells a lot um. You know. Um. 328 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: I would also if you you know, if you're buying 329 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: this used you know you're you're you're you're walking around 330 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: Wisconsin and you're buying this use from the guy the 331 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: next town over. Ask him, do you have any you know, 332 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: receipts for the oil changes? You know when he when 333 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: he did the oil changes? You know, ask him, you know, yeah, listen, 334 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: how often did you change the oil? Do you have 335 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: any seats to prove that? What weight oil did you use? 336 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: And if the guy says to you weight oil, does 337 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: that matter? Just run? You know, it's it's it's you know, 338 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: it's it's just it's just that important, that critical. I 339 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: think what you're doing is smart in a lot of 340 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, especially for a pickup truck, 341 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, you know, a 342 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: pickup truck, and if you're not looking for a glamour wagon, 343 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: if you just want a nice working truck with air 344 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: conditioning and you know, power windows, seats whatever, uh, you know, 345 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: you don't need heated seats and heated cup holders in 346 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: a pickup truck, then I think what you're doing makes sense. Um, 347 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: If if I had my choice between the four and 348 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: the and the and the Chevy hard Call, I like 349 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: them both and I see limited issues with both of them. 350 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: It all really comes down to maintenance. So again, I'd 351 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: pay a little bit more for the older vehicle with 352 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: less mileage, or a little less for the older vehicle 353 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: with less mileage, knowing I might have to do more 354 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: to it than the newer vehicle with higher mile It's 355 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: just you know, sometimes um age comes into factor two. 356 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: Coming back if you have any more issues, Chris, thanks 357 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: for the call. I'll be right back after this. I'm running. 358 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: Any of the car doctor, don't go away, welcome back. 359 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: Weren't any of the car doctor at five zero nine 360 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: nine zero zero? Nice music, Mikey, I can get up 361 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: to start dancing. You know, it's like a dancing kind 362 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: of day. Zero nine zero zero. Let's go and talk 363 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: to a garret. Let's go to Gary and Oregon, Oregon, Oregon. 364 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: What ever that side of the country. Two thousand bubicles 365 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: sayber Gary, Welcome to the car doctor. How can I help? Yeah, 366 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad to talk to your doc. Yeah, I got 367 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: a two thousand geek. It's a development issue where driving 368 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: down the road highway speeds, it just dies on me 369 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: like sob we turned the engs and off goes to 370 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: to a stop. I go to restarted it. It starts 371 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: with it instantly dies. I had a toe to a 372 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: dealership in nearby town. They put it on the scanner, 373 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: said it was a P zero one on one. Well, yeah, 374 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 1: they initially diagnosed it with a P six. Replaced this right, 375 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: replaced the fifth the turret module right p S is 376 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: loss of signal from the ignition lock cylinder down to 377 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: the PCM and the vehicle thinks it's being stolen and 378 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: will shut itself off. Right, And that's kind of what 379 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: they wrote up when they did their assessment. Charge me 380 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: for the module. Five dollars later, they say it's six. 381 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: Drive it home. A week later, I'm driving it back 382 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: to work, get about fifty miles the road and does 383 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: it again, car have a tilt stirring wheel. Yes, it does. 384 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: Do you use it gingerly? Why not very often? Gingerly? Oh? 385 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. Just I don't like to be hard 386 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: on things. So I hit the button like PLoP up 387 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: or whatever. So let me let me let me ask 388 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: you a question, Gary, any idea why they change that 389 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: module and not just bypassed it. I asked him about that, 390 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: and they said, you can't buy pass the p K three. 391 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: Do you have an ignition key. Your ignition key has 392 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: a little black chip on the end, right, Uh, mine, 393 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: mine is the there's no like little resistant chip on 394 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: the shank. Is that we're talking? So your your your 395 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: bypass is in the lock cylinder itself, probably because when 396 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: I look at the it's just got a little plastic 397 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: a few weeks symbol at the top of the Okay, Okay, 398 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna disagree with them, but I'm gonna question 399 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: it because I remember bypassing. Yeah, I don't think there's 400 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: a system that can't be bypassed if you want to, 401 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: and I would, I would do a little online research 402 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 1: to see, you know, this has someone got a way 403 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: around it because it's simply looking for a resistance value, 404 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: or at least that's that. I believe that's what it was. 405 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: And you know, that's why it's one of the reasons 406 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: I miss radio shacks so much, because it was you know, 407 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: it was, oh yeah, we've got one of these with 408 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: the resistance value, and um, we'll just bypassing out the door. 409 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: Because my concern is is the P zero one oh one. 410 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: It's just too coincidental, right, That's the that's the coda, 411 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: because I wouldn't died again. I had a toe to 412 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: another shop on the way to work and they read 413 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: their their scan on it's this is the independent shop. 414 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: The first one was the dealership. They came up with, 415 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: Oh they they had a B one zero zero nine 416 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: and to be two seven three four said they drove 417 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: a run for days. I couldn't get it to act 418 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: that and they just give me a charge you for 419 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: the diagnosis, give me some you know to go onlineists 420 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: and you know you online helping things. Basically told me 421 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: the most common for this issue was the bc M. Well, yeah, 422 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: and I could you know, I can tell you a 423 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: lot of things that are common for a nineteen year 424 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: old vehicle. Um, you know, I think before I went 425 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: any further on the assumption that you're not too worried 426 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: about somebody stealing your two thousand buick, which I kind 427 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: of don't think, so, you know, I my next step 428 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: would be, you know, here, here comes Google to the 429 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: rescue bypass two thousand buick. Let's saber um antitest system 430 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: and and see what comes up. And I'd be willing 431 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: to bet that there's someone out there. I actually on 432 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: the on the generation before that, I ran into this 433 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: about five six years ago where I had I was 434 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: for some reason we were talking about it and then 435 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: I google searched it. There was somebody out there selling 436 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: a kid he put into the wiring harness and it 437 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: it you know, it just it just did the work. 438 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: You didn't have to measure the resistor, you didn't have 439 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: to do anything. It was it was. It was kind 440 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: of neat um. Yeah, I think I think I saw 441 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: that went on Google and some where you kind of 442 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: weigh the plastic at the top of the key and 443 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: reveal the top of the shank and there was like 444 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: a there was like a resistor or something a chip 445 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: up in the top of the key behind the plastic. Well, 446 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: that's something that's you see that that's something else too, right, 447 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: that's that's something else. And and then there's this then 448 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: there's this systems that right there having you take the 449 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: chip out and you can glue it at the particular 450 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: spot in the column, and that tricks the system into 451 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: thinking that the key is always there, right. And that's 452 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: and the reason I asked about the tilt wheel is 453 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: because Mike, you know, we saw a lot of these 454 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: in my experience that if someone used the tilt wheel. 455 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: And then even as the vehicle just got older, the 456 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: wires were very um frail, they were very fragile, and 457 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: it was just it was these two thin white wires 458 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: like almost like piano wire that came off the back 459 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: of the lock cylinder that generated the resistance value signal 460 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: going down the length of the column. And then they 461 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: made it right and went over to the PCM and 462 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: the anti theft modules. So you know, it was it 463 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: was I don't know, listen, I think it should be law. 464 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: After a vehicle of seven years old, wheelocks get thrown 465 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: out in anti theft systems get bypassed because I don't 466 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: think anybody wants them anymore, and it makes it a 467 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: bigger headache than it's worth in the first place. You know, 468 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: I just don't see it, but I would. I would 469 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: resolve that first. And here's why. P zero one oh 470 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: one points towards a possible problem in the mass airflow censor. 471 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: If it's equip this is either gonna be a math 472 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: or a map car. If this is a mass airflow 473 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: car points to possible problems in the mass airflow. If 474 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: it's a map car points towards possible problems in the map. 475 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: And you know what I would tell somebody to do 476 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: is hook up a scan tool, bring up whatever pit 477 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: we're chasing mass or math and and and graphic, and 478 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: take it for a ride. Does the graph look normal? 479 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: Do we ever see its spike? And I would only 480 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: watch one or two particular censors, maybe three, look at 481 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: road speed that particular sensor and engine rpm and you know, 482 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: does it glitch? Does it? Does it? Does it die 483 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: out fast enough that way? Now that might be lab 484 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: scope country, or we've got to hook up a lab 485 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: scope to it. But before we bring out the heavy guns, 486 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 1: I always try to go simple first. One one thing 487 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: to be aware of is that, you know, my concern 488 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: is if the vehicle stalls while it's running because of 489 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: thy theft I've seen. I've seen engines on their way 490 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: out creating store a bunch of false codes that aren't 491 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: necessarily accurate because they were just they were you know, 492 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: the computer was shut down improperly in that sense of 493 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: the word. So let's let's get rid of Let's get 494 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: rid of what we don't need first if we can, 495 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: and then we can kind of continue the argument in 496 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: the conversation of the diagnosis from there, all right, sir, 497 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: all right, just when I have a question. When I 498 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: sometimes might turn the key on at the bulb check, 499 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: which I've learned from listening to you, everything goes out 500 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: except the light. Security stays on. Turn the key off, 501 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: turned back to run, and the light goes out and 502 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: I start to car. Yeah, see I think that. Yeah, 503 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: I still think there's a security fault here. Yeah, I 504 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: still think that. And it's and it's very important whenever 505 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: you take it somewhere and they scan it for codes. 506 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: When when when we're looking for a problem like this, 507 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's let's let's telling him and listening Gary, 508 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: or how many types of code scans are there? There's 509 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: what there's O b D two and then there's year 510 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: make model. Right, so you know if a shop walks 511 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: out with O b D two skin and they go, yeah, 512 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: it's got a P zero one on one, but they 513 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: don't do a year make model scan, they may they 514 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: may not see some of the other things, and they 515 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: won't see faults and other modules and so on. So 516 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: very important we're chasing a headache like this, we want 517 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: to scan all modules, not just O b D two. 518 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: All right, kid, thank you very much. You're very welcome 519 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: and keep me posted. Let me know what happens Gary 520 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: and Oregon. Yes, sir, take good care. I'm on any 521 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: of the Car Doctor right five five five zero zero. 522 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: Got a problem, give us a call. We'll be back 523 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: right after this. Hey, polks, welcome back. Don't any of 524 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. Just to let you know that this 525 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: segment of The Car Doctor is brought to you by Omnicraft. 526 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: If your in need of parts, check out Omnicraft. 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So, um, 534 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: you know we've used some Omnicraft and uh works quite well. 535 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's it's worth taking a look at again. 536 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: Omnicraft parts are available at Ford parts dot com. A 537 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: recent article in the Trades this one written by Sarah 538 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: Kessler UH talked about the connected car of the future 539 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: could kill off the local auto repair shop, and it's 540 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: sort of an eye opener. It talks about how the 541 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: data that is being collected by vehicles is being used 542 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: by the manufacturers to control, necessarily control, but change the 543 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: way you approach auto repair. UH. The article starts out 544 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: when Jim Dykester became part owner of family's auto repair 545 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: business in mechanics, diagnosed the car problems by looking under 546 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: the hood. Sure, that's where was happening, right, everything was 547 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: under the hood. Soon after that car manufacturer started the 548 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: computer control the vehicle steering wheels, air bags, brakes, windows, 549 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: mirror and everything else distrous current OUTI that he drives 550 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: has around seventy computer modules and employees. That is three 551 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: repair shops your Grand Rapids, Michigan are more properly called 552 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: technicians and mechanics. Technicians also start repaired by poking around 553 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: the engine. Not by poking around the engine, by by 554 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: by plugging a computer tool into what's known as the 555 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: onboard diagnostics port, a cracker size opening off and located 556 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: onto the dishboard to look similar to the one you 557 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: see on a computer monitor, and the story goes on 558 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: to describe some of the basic you know, code methods, 559 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: code retrieval methods, and and things like that. By it's 560 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: predicted that two hundred and fifty million connected cars will 561 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: be on the road, about one in every five vehicles. 562 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: Connected cars offer more elaborate more than elaborate in from 563 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: infotainment systems, they will also allow manufacturers to remotely monitor 564 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: a vehicle's help. And this is where we start to think, 565 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: will this affect the repair shop in your neighborhood? Okay, 566 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: if the car companies can predict vehicles, help predict what 567 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: maintenance work and repair work it needs and diagnose the problems, 568 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: wh would you need the guy in the corner garage 569 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: Because imagine the scenario and they talk about it in 570 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: this article. Uh, you know, you're driving along and you 571 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: happen to be near a dealership that has an open 572 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: bay for an oil change, and all of a sudden 573 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: it comes up that your vehicle needs an oil change. 574 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: It's possible, and it's conceivable the way it's going that 575 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: you're going to either here your phone ring in your 576 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: car and it's going to be the manufacturer calling saying hey, Mikey, 577 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: your cars do for oil change? Uh? Joe Smith Chevrolet 578 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: right around the corner has an open bay. We can 579 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: book the appointment for you. Would you like to stop 580 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: in and get the oil change? You know, after a while, 581 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: some people, I think, I think loyalty is going to 582 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: start to disappear because it's going to be that we 583 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,239 Speaker 1: standardized or to repair to such a degree that, hey, 584 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: an oil change is just an oil change. Let's just 585 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: stop in and get an oil change. And and that's 586 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: the beginning of it. Now one of the numbers here, 587 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: and I thought I saw it. The article points out 588 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: that the automotive aftermarket is a three hundred billion dollar 589 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: plus industry. You know, I'm always saying that the automotive 590 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: after markets a huge part of the American economy. Well, 591 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: this is exactly what I'm talking about. So, all of 592 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're gonna put a dent and and and 593 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: and damage a three billion dollar plus industry. What are 594 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: you gonna do with all these people? Where you gonna 595 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: were you gonna you know, take this? How are you 596 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: going to deal with this? There's an awful lot of 597 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: people who work in this industry. In the corner garage 598 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: related to the corner garage, and you know you and 599 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: I have had this conversation. Car manufacturers, the article continues, 600 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: have just begun to expand ways to business opportunities that 601 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: could be built on connected vehicles and all the data 602 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: that comes with them. GMS on Star, for instance, tells 603 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: customers here you go, tells customers when they need an 604 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: oil change or when their brake pads need to be switched. 605 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: These recommendations are not based on the traditional it's been 606 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: three thousand miles timeline, but upon sensors that monitor what's 607 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: happening in the car and things like the climate of 608 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: your area. Tesla says, although I don't know if I 609 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 1: believe anything Tesla says they can do because he's having 610 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: a hard time to keeping cars on the road. Tesla 611 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: says again, spot service repair issues remotely, so can order 612 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: parts and have them waiting for customers at its repair sensors. 613 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: But there's even more to be done somewhere that eventually, 614 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: services like GMS on Star could share data they received 615 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: from connected cars with local dealers who are for repairs 616 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: and maintenance, but they won't necessarily share this type of 617 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: information with independent repair shops such as Dikester's numbering in 618 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: the one eighty thousand, hundred and eighty thousand independent repair 619 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: shops in the United States alone. That's that's that's crazy. 620 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: And you know this is also part of the you 621 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: know what late pull over take the plays because I 622 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: I want to comment about this. We were talking about 623 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: this last year. I remember it now it's coming to 624 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: light in the way of this article. So ronading the 625 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: car doctor zero. I'll be back right after this rug 626 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: back on a name of card doctors. We were talking 627 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: about connected cars. So the problem is, and I had 628 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: been it was a seminar maybe a year a year 629 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: and a half ago, and we talked about it here 630 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: on areas. The connected car concept. The car knows when 631 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: you gain weight, the car knows what position you put 632 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: your seats in. The car clearly knows whether or not 633 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: your seat belt is connected. So you know, and somebody 634 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: said this, when at what point and I've heard this conversation. 635 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: You know we can have cameras now that watch the road. 636 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: When at what point does the camera watch you? How 637 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: were you sitting in the seat. You know, the seat 638 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: belt was buckled, but were you sitting on the seatbelt 639 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: buckled and sitting on top of the seat belt, or 640 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: were you you know, sitting and I still see that sometimes, 641 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: Or were you sitting in the car properly with the 642 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: seat belt acrush? You know, your your your section there 643 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: so when the accident happened, you were securely belted in, 644 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: properly belted in. And all of this data is then 645 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: being relayed to the car companies and the manufacturers. But 646 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: it's it's it's even more than that. They're they're they're 647 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: looking at you know they can right you? Ever you 648 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: ever wonder how Google knows where you are? Right? Like? 649 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: You ever think about how Google traffic works? I never 650 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: really thought about it much until a couple of months back, 651 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: and I said, how does it know that the next 652 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: three miles of road everybody's slowing down? And then I realized, 653 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: because everybody's carrying Google on their phones, and the phones 654 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: are tracking where they are, So when the car slows down, 655 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: the phone slows down. That's how they know there's traffic. 656 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: Now do you ever notice how Google knows? Do you? 657 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: Were you eight? Honey? I smelled burger king on your breath. 658 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: You're on a diet. I was never there? You know 659 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: what they go? Look on Google Google Locator unless you're 660 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: you know it's they'll it'll tell you where you have been. 661 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: When will that get relay to the car companies? How 662 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: far will the connected car go? And this is just 663 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: the beginning. And that's the problem with this, that we're 664 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: gonna turn this into very big brother ish, very corporate, 665 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: very watching over your shoulder, just to sell you more 666 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: stuff that you don't need. Some food for thought, the 667 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: connected car will eliminate the independent repair business. Something to 668 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: think about. Hey, looking up at the clock, it's time 669 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: to go. Thanks for stopping by this hour. Until the 670 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 1: next time. I'm Ronanadian, the car doctor. Good mechanics aren't expensive, 671 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you