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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in im Doug Goliban. This is all ball

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Speaker 1: where um we have some deep dive conversations with some

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Speaker 1: great coaches, players, friends, fans, all kinds of different stuff.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to take a little bit of a detour

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Speaker 1: from some of the NBA, some of the D one

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Speaker 1: college basketball talking and bringing Elliott Steimons, who is the

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Speaker 1: head coach of Yeshiva University in New York. Now, if

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Speaker 1: you know anything about the mccabees, who's of course their

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Speaker 1: mascot of Yeshiva, You know this is a big time

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Speaker 1: D three program, big time matter of fact, for the

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Speaker 1: COVID shutdown, they were one of the favorites to win

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Speaker 1: the Division three national championship. But for a long time

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Speaker 1: it was just kind of a you know, a nondescript

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Speaker 1: school known more for being Orthodox and home for rabbinical

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Speaker 1: studies than it was some Welsh ring of basketball talent.

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Speaker 1: How did we get from there to here? And you

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Speaker 1: want us to find something interesting? How about their coach,

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Speaker 1: who's a really good coach. And I've heard about another

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Speaker 1: podcast talk about how they run motion right, it's like

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Speaker 1: the lost art of motion basketball. I want to have

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Speaker 1: him back on at some point to talk motion basketball.

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Speaker 1: But how um, how about the fact that he's not

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Speaker 1: a full time coach now he has another job and

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Speaker 1: then he coaches. How you do it, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But also the fact that he does it and does

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Speaker 1: So let me introduce you to the head coach of

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Speaker 1: a team that had one their fourteen and one in

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Speaker 1: the season. He is at this point in time, at

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Speaker 1: the time of the recording of this podcast, he personally

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Speaker 1: is shut down because of COVID. Of course, his team

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Speaker 1: talk about the break and has white has nothing to

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Speaker 1: coach of the Yeshiva Yeshiva University, Elliott Steimes. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let's let's start right now. You're speaking to me from

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Speaker 1: where I'm home, actually in my house on Long Island. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you're in Long We're in Long Island. I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm not stocking you others that one time, Okay, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be in New York, shoot would be okay, So five towns, right,

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Speaker 1: My dad actually lived in Hewlett with it right around

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Speaker 1: the corner. Sure, so, um, you have COVID. How bad

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Speaker 1: your symptoms? Not bad at all. I literally have like

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Speaker 1: a little cloth and that's it. Yeah. Are you vaccinated?

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I actually got the booster two days ago.

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Speaker 1: Also you have the two booster and then he got

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Speaker 1: then you got infected. That's the way it's how goes

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Speaker 1: these days. What what has this been like for you?

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Speaker 1: I mean for people who we kind of sold it

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Speaker 1: You've built something really remarkable, but you know you're in

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Speaker 1: the midst of now you have some of your best

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Speaker 1: down now, teams are shut down. What's what's happened like? Um? So,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of been an interesting couple of years like that.

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Speaker 1: And we were in the sweet sixteen two years ago,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we had one nine in a row.

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Speaker 1: We were playing probably probably the best ball I've ever

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Speaker 1: Last year obviously it was a shortened season and D

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Speaker 1: finals and it's um uh we go we have a

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Speaker 1: But when we schedule those games, we schedule them because

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Speaker 1: I want to win every game. You I'm not a

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Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes you need to get punched in

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Speaker 1: hopefully makes us better and much. Yeah. You also, you

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Speaker 1: What is life like at this level in terms of

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Speaker 1: let's just say, first travel, you're gonna go too when

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Speaker 1: Guys go to Le Guardio JFK and then go to Chicago.

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Speaker 1: And you guys aren't chartering. So we're actually not going

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Speaker 1: not they're not conclisating. This was at home. This is

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Speaker 1: this was at home? Okay, So but when you let's

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Speaker 1: just say, when you go on these trips, um you

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Speaker 1: know like you're you're you're visioning like bull Durham, Right,

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Speaker 1: like you're on you go from planes to two buses.

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Speaker 1: renting a couple of vans and driving around. Um, definitely

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Speaker 1: Your your background, how did was was coaching yeshiva always

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Speaker 1: something you want to do? Coaching at the college level,

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Speaker 1: I think was something I always wanted to do. I was.

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Speaker 1: I was coaching at Jewish high schools from the time

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Speaker 1: kind of being in that world. It's it's a world

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Speaker 1: I'm familiar with. Obviously, I played in that world in

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Speaker 1: It was something I always, you know, definitely look forward

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Speaker 1: to when you play. Who is your coach when you

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Speaker 1: How how how do you how did he what did

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Speaker 1: do you ever has Israelis? No, we have a mix. Um.

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Speaker 1: Right and then and and there almost have to teach

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Speaker 1: I would say, you know, if it's funny to say

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Speaker 1: there's diversity on the team when the whole team is

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Speaker 1: obviously Jewish. But within the context of that, you know, religion,

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Speaker 1: guys travel, I remember, UM, when I was at Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: I was I wasn't the only Jewish athlete Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: We had my Copa I think was the kicker, and uh,

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Speaker 1: You know, we have a strength and conditioning coach, but

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Speaker 1: it's you know, we don't have one for the basketball team.

430
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 1: We have one for the program. UM. So you know,

431
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 1: you might be getting an assignment and then you gotta

432
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 1: get in the weight room. You've got to be self

433
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 1: motivated to go and do it. Uh. And it's the

434
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 1: same thing in the summers. We have different rules and

435
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 1: Division one we're not actually allowed to get on the

436
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 1: court with our guys tell October fift there's no small

437
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 1: group practices, there's no personal training. Nobody knows, um. And

438
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 1: it's a big it's a big argument every year that

439
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: Division three coaches try to make to get more time. UM.

440
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: But there's you know, for whatever reason to strict the rules,

441
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,880
Speaker 1: and we don't really get our guys in the gym October.

442
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 1: So when you got your guys finally the next year

443
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: and you have a shortened season, and some guys can

444
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: come back, you know, they come back, they get that

445
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 1: extra year. What they look like. Well, last year when

446
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: we got the guys back, we had seven games, I

447
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: mean that was it. And and it was seven games.

448
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: You're like, so the hope in the beginning was that

449
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: we were gonna at least get a conference season in

450
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 1: and and maybe and the talk initially was that we

451
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 1: would play conference season, no non conference games, and then

452
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 1: have a conference championship and then obviously winner goes to

453
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: the n c A Tournament. And then pretty quickly teams

454
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: started dropping out of the conference, and you know, the

455
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: conference was like, okay, now you're allowed to play nonconference

456
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: games to fill in the you know, the slots. All

457
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we were down to like three conference games.

458
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 1: So now the conference season was gone, and it was

459
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 1: all about, hey, schedule whatever the hell you can um

460
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: and then just hope there's Nancy A tournament and you're

461
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: able to find the way to qualify. And then you know,

462
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: pretty quickly after that, the Division three n c A

463
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: Tournament got canceled, and you know, on top of that,

464
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 1: we're you know, starting off the year practicing with pods

465
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: on different sides of the gym in masks UM trying

466
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: to run drills without contact UM. And then and then

467
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 1: it's and then it was all about starting to manage

468
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: the pods based on who had already had COVID no

469
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: vaccine obviously at this point, right, So we're trying to

470
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: manage who already had COVID in certain pods versus who hasn't,

471
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: so that if a guy tests positive in one pod,

472
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: we don't lose too many guys where we might have

473
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: to cancel a game or forfeited game or not be

474
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: able to practice for two weeks. UM. And it became

475
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: a lot more of being a mathematician than being a

476
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: coach UM for quite a while. And and honestly, I

477
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: think for our guys it was a very very tough

478
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: and frustrating year. And you know, and and I don't

479
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, we don't take it for granted. Obviously there's

480
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: a lot of programs and a lot of teams who

481
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: who did not even participate and did not play, which

482
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: was a shame for their guys, UM. And I give

483
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 1: a lot of credit to our institution and a lot

484
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 1: of credit to our guys for kind of showing up

485
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: and finding ways for them to kind of keep it

486
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: safe and and find ways to play. But it was

487
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: a very difficult and stressful year in that regard. Um,

488
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: well up until this recent shutdown right where you lost

489
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: the game against Williams and now you know you yourself

490
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: contracted COVID. Was this year different? Were you back full

491
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: or were you guys back in masks? Like? What what

492
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: was it like for you? We we were back full, um,

493
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: and you know we're actually we're not shut down now

494
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: at all. We haven't gotten to Thank god, we haven't

495
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: got not gotten shut down at all because of COVID.

496
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: We're actually just on our natural finals break. Now. I

497
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: thought you guys were supposed to play yesterday. They're supposed

498
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 1: to play the fourth. Oh no, no, okay, So that right,

499
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: that was not that was not our shutdown. That we

500
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: were supposed to play on Sunday. Actually Sunday we were

501
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: supposed to play. That was that came from the other

502
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: side of that was not our shutdown. Um. It did

503
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: work out timing wise for me obviously, but we um,

504
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: we actually we were pretty normal this year. We came

505
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: into the season. You know, obviously guys have to wear masks.

506
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: I believe in the in in the buildings, I think

507
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: at school, but not in the gym when we're on

508
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: the court. Um, even on our benches, we didn't you know,

509
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: we didn't have to wear them on the bench coaches

510
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: and players until recently. Um. We had fans in the

511
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: stands at a limited capacity, but you know, I think

512
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,160
Speaker 1: it was like I think the number was seventy sent

513
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: which in a small gym like hours is still pretty loud,

514
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: especially when it's getting packed up every night. UM, So

515
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, fans were in masks, but they were still loud,

516
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: and it was it was a pretty good especially considering

517
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: what last year was like. It was a pretty good

518
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: sense of normalcy over the first you know, fifteen games

519
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: so far the season. It's uh, I have to say,

520
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: it's been pretty awesome with a lot of fun. You

521
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: mentioned that the class two years ago that was your

522
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: first class, Gabe, It was Gabe in that class. Yes, okay,

523
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: did you know he was going to be that good?

524
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: I mean, was it what was the like you run

525
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: in a class like you know, like this is a

526
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: dude right here. Yeah, you know, we we we knew

527
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: and and you know there's a reason he came in

528
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: actually halfway through UM. It was the first year we

529
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: went to the n c A tournament, so I guess

530
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: five years ago now, UM in school history. We were

531
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: a little bit struggling kind of going into the break,

532
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: and we knew he was coming in halfway through, and

533
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: we were just kind of trying to keep the uh,

534
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, the ship afloat, knowing that we were kind

535
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: of getting this guy in UM. And he comes in

536
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: literally as a freshman halfway through the year and just

537
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: dominates the conference the rest of the double doubles he

538
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: was he was He did a gap here in Israel

539
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: and he actually did an extra six months, so he

540
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: was there for about a year and a half. And

541
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: then Uh came back in the second semester UM and

542
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: joined us, and I think we went I want to say,

543
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: twelve and one down the stretch. I think we lost

544
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: the first game at the Buzzer and that he played

545
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: UH and then I think he was a double double

546
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: the rest of the way. It's crazy, I mean crazy

547
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: to to not be not just not just to join

548
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: as a freshman, but to not be with the team.

549
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: It's not like he had to be sharp, you know,

550
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: he was going twice a day and then all of

551
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: a sudden hops in He's just a He's just a baller. Um.

552
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean fair to say that's a guy that could

553
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: have played at a higher level. I think. So, I

554
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: think we have probably four or five guys who could

555
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: have played at a higher level. I mean, obviously we

556
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: have the kid Terrell, who was getting talked about a

557
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: ton now and getting you know, professional looks from a

558
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: lot of different levels. UM. Gabe I think had had

559
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: some you know, IVY and Patriot League looks coming out

560
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: of high school. UM. We have a couple of other

561
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: guys who had Division one looks. We have one guy

562
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: on our roster who was on a Division one roster

563
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: for for three or four years and now is here

564
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: as a grad student. So, you know, I think that's

565
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: part of the reason that we've had successes. We've been

566
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: able to recruit a little bit at a higher level

567
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: than you know, than our conference, our division, um, in

568
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: terms of bringing guys in and and and we brought

569
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: in the right guys. We brought in guys like Gabe

570
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: who are winning players, who you know, have high i

571
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: q s. And they just they play the game the

572
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: right way. So what's what's your what's your personal sale?

573
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: Like when you sit down, when you sat down with Gabe.

574
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: Whereas folks when you're recruiting, recruiting kids, you know, and

575
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to pay their own way, you know.

576
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: And now you're gonna be in in New York where

577
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: where you know, there's there's still lots of restrictions, things

578
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: are shut down. Um, what's what is your sale that's

579
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: allowed you to build this thing? Yeah, I mean part

580
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: part of this New York City. Um, you know, part

581
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: of it is Uh. I think the you know, it's

582
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: become a lot easier obviously once we started winning, and

583
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: it was a lot harder five six years ago to

584
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: bring guys in when when this, you know, we haven't

585
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: won anything, and and you know you're just trying to

586
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: kind of sell guys on a dream. Um. But I

587
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: think you know, when when we're competing for guys, it's

588
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: it's an interesting situation. We don't really compete much with

589
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: with other divisions three schools UM in terms of recruiting.

590
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: We are usually getting either we're getting guys who are

591
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, let's say they're Orthodox Jewish, if they're if

592
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: they're the Jewish they're most likely going to Yeshiva if

593
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: they want to play ball. It's just where they're gonna

594
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: go because it's the easiest opportunity in terms of not

595
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: worrying about their restrictions and not worrying about you know,

596
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: Sabbath and Kosher, and you know they're in New York

597
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: City and the Jewish community and all that stuff, So

598
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty much easy. You know. Then then it's

599
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: a question of you know, some of the higher level

600
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: guys and you know, whether the Orthodox or not, and

601
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: you're competing with Division one schools. You're you're trying to

602
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: sell them a little bit on the on the opportunity

603
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: to play right away. Um, you know, now, looking at

604
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: the exposure we've gotten over the last year. I mean,

605
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sitting here on your podcast and you know

606
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: we've had, we've had a number of of different articles

607
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: that have been um, you know, pretty pretty uh you know,

608
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, you know out there in terms of in

609
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: terms of exposure for us, and you're selling guys on

610
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: that on the opportunity. You know, hey, you can go,

611
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: you can go be a mid major and maybe you'll play,

612
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: maybe you won't. You know, maybe you'll even be a

613
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: starter and get fifteen in the game. But if you

614
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: come do it here a game, you know ESPN and

615
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: n b A and then Wall Street Journal and New

616
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: York Magazine are gonna be tweeting about you. So it's uh,

617
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's an opportunity for guys to

618
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: kind of have, you know, still a chance to play

619
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: high level uh play right away, maybe not ride the

620
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: bench at a D one UM, you know, but I'm

621
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: very big on telling guys, if the ones your dream,

622
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: you gotta chase it. Like you know, it's it's hard

623
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: to sit here and tell a guy to turn down

624
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: scholarship money, turned down an opportunity to play Division one

625
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: if that's their actual dream. But if guys are talking

626
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: about fit and and you know, wanting to play at

627
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: a high level UM and maybe doing something special and

628
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: being part of something special, then you know there's something

629
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: to talk about there. It's really interesting, you know, when

630
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: when I brought you guys up, because I follow you guys. Um,

631
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say every game, but I've I've been following.

632
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: I've been watching as I think anybody who's a basketball guy,

633
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: especially someone who's Jewish hasn't just like Holy cow, they've

634
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: become really really good. And we were talking about the

635
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: kids that signed at Jackson State and how you know,

636
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: um my, you know what ends up It gets to

637
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: have misconstrued. And my point is what you're saying, like, look,

638
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: your dream is to play the guys that have succeeded

639
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: from HBCUs it wasn't. It wasn't like I chose an

640
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 1: HBCU over Alabama and it was it was they were small,

641
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: or they were unseen, or for whatever reason, they live

642
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: close and they didn't want to go away from home

643
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: and they went there. And that there's just a difference

644
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: in the resource, a great difference in the resource. And

645
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: obviously the n C it hurts you guys by not

646
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: even letting you work with the kids, even if you

647
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: wanted to in the off season. Um, but how big

648
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: it's how big it challenges the resources in terms of

649
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: for Shiva specifically in terms of what you need to

650
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: be successful. Obviously not being full time hurt you. Yeah,

651
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: but what about the rest of the research. Yeah, it's

652
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: it's a major difference. And I saw it firsthand actually

653
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: a few years ago with my with I mean my

654
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: some plays baseball, not basketball. But you know, we went

655
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: on the kind of recruiting uh in the rear, in

656
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: the recruiting world on on that end, you know, for

657
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: a while on the baseball side, and we were visiting

658
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: schools in a CEC schools and some of the bigger

659
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 1: schools and in the country, and you see the resources

660
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: that these schools have. It's I remember we walked out

661
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: of a visit at wake Forest, my son and I

662
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: We're heading back to the airport, and I looked at him,

663
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, if you go pitch at a

664
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: place like this, there is absolutely no excuse not to

665
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: get better every single day. Like there's just no excuse.

666
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: You they have they have they have a freaking pitching

667
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: lab with like they have they have a room where

668
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: you can like virtual reality you see the guy you're

669
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: facing the next day, and and actually like time your

670
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: pitches as a hitter, and they have a lab where

671
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 1: they put all these electrodes on you and they can

672
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: tell you exactly where your foot's hitting the you know,

673
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: the you know, the the mound and that what force,

674
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: and it's just it's crazy and like you you know,

675
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: and obviously you know you walk into a Division three

676
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: facility and or Yeshiba, there's a gym and there's a

677
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: weight room, um, you know, and there's a trainer and

678
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: there's a track. Uh, and it's like, hey, you know,

679
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: figure it out. And by the way, you know, your

680
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: your coach is gonna be here for two hours in

681
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 1: the morning and and he is available for you by

682
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: phone the rest of the day if you need them, um,

683
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: you know. But that that's kind of it. So you know,

684
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: there there's there's definitely a little bit more of a

685
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: self motivation factor. And and by the way, there are

686
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: some Division three schools and we've we've been to a

687
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: few of them, have some some beautiful facilities. On the

688
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: State University and some of the Midwest you know schools

689
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: have absolutely amazing facilities that probably you know, rival some

690
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: D one facilities, probably probably nicer than some Northeast duet

691
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: facilities as you go out west. Um, but it varies

692
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: and and and there's no doubt the amount of attention

693
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: and the end the amount of time that is you know,

694
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: invested in the athlete um at the Division three level

695
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: is probably is less. And I think I think that's

696
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: a credit obviously, you know, certainly a credit to the

697
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 1: Division three athlete there. They have to be self motivated

698
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: to get themselves to a certain level. You know, I

699
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: look at I look at our guys, and I look

700
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: at you know, I look like I look at a

701
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: kid like Ryan throu who has really put himself on

702
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: the map nationally in a big way. UM to a

703
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: point where we have NBA scouts at games, and we

704
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: have obviously you know, foreign scouts at games, and people

705
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 1: are looking at him for the next level. And this

706
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: is a kid who does not have a full time

707
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: college coach working with him every day. Um has hit

708
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: the weight room on his own, spends his off seasons

709
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: working his ass off, getting stronger, hitting the weight room,

710
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, doing drills, and he has really really put

711
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: himself out there, which I think is which I think

712
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: is a cool thing. Um. What's what? What kind of

713
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: lawyer are you? By the way, what kind of low

714
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: do you practice? I do commercial real estate. I have

715
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: a firm of the partner actually here on Long Island.

716
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: Are you as good a realtor as you are a

717
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: basketball coach? I hope I'm a better real estate lawyer

718
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: than a basketball coach, because I make a lot more

719
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: money to real estate. I do the basketball still, I mean,

720
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: so how do you how do you balance that? I

721
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: mean I looked at I don't get it wrong, like

722
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: I thought of like dude, Ill does radio show? If

723
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: I didn't do the games, like what you know? Could

724
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: I could? I could? I do it at a at

725
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: a D three level? Like how did? But how do

726
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: you mentally balance it with because because as as a

727
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: former player, I know you're and and as a longtime coach,

728
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: I know you're like this. You get done playing a

729
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: game and you're seeing it over and over in your head, right,

730
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: so you don't need don't even need to watch it,

731
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: like you can see it fifteen times over. But like

732
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: you have a job, you have a whole other life,

733
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, how do you balance what's going on in

734
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: your brain and what you actually got to focus on?

735
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: It's interesting, So it's it's not easy. First of all,

736
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: there's there's a lack of sleep for six months of

737
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: the year, that's for sure. Um, you know, But it's

738
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: funny that people talk about pregame nerves and what it's

739
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: like the day. Somebody asked me recently in an interview,

740
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: what's what's my what my days like? Leading up to

741
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: the games. How do I handle my nervous energy throughout

742
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: the day if I have an eight o'clock game at night?

743
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: And the answer simple, I don't have that issue because

744
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: I am at work and I'm busy, and I'm dealing

745
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: with clients all day, and I'm jumping into the car

746
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: checking ways to make sure that there's not too much

747
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: traffic for me to leave my office at a certain

748
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: time and get to the game, you know, an hour

749
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: and a half before the game starts, and you know,

750
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: not have to worry that if this traffic, I won't

751
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: get there till half an hour before. You know, I'm

752
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: so focused on you know, kind of the day by

753
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: day you know, dealings at work that it takes that

754
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: whole dynamic out of it um And in general, I

755
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: think it's it's it's just like that. It's you know,

756
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: there's you learn how to kind of you know, uh,

757
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: just commelementalize. Yeah, different you know, different parts of your day.

758
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: So I know, when I'm at work, I'm focused on

759
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: my clients, on my deals, on my papers and whatever

760
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm working on. And I know when I'm a practice

761
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: in the morning. And that's why I love that we

762
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: have practiced in the morning. You know, it's great to

763
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of get out of bed and you know, I mean,

764
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: it sucks waking up at five o'clock, but you get

765
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: there at six thirty of the gym and and they're

766
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: yours for like an hour and a half two hours,

767
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: and you're just purely focused on that before the rest

768
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: of the days starts. And it's just you know, it's

769
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: it's a nice it's a nice it's a nice start

770
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: to the day and a nice opportunity to kind of

771
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: teach and and and get these guys prepared and then

772
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: kind of go focus on my day at work and

773
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: then deal with film at night. Um, it just becomes

774
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: kind of a you know, a little bit of a

775
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: juggling of different things. You know, my father used to

776
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: say it all the time. You want, you want, you

777
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: want to find somebody to get something done for you.

778
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: You find the busiest person and ask them because they

779
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: know how to manage time. And I think something I've

780
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: learned over the last few years for sure, has how

781
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: to manage time. That's amazing. Um, are you a coffee

782
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: guy in the morning, Like, what's your you get up

783
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: five am? Is when your alarm goes off. Yeah, okay,

784
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: so then homebrew? Or do you stop the same place

785
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: every day? No? I I usually either either I do

786
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: it on the machine at home, or I'll it depends

787
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: on my mood. Sometimes I'll try to stop by a

788
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: Dunking or a Starbucks on the way. I'm not like

789
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: particular about my coffee that I gotta No, I'm not.

790
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm not that, I'm not like. I'm not like a O. C.

791
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: D guy at all. So at least in that regard.

792
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: I am in a million other ways. But with my coffee,

793
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: it's like, as long as I have it, I don't

794
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: really care, you know what it is. I don't I

795
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: don't like the taste of it. I just feel like

796
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: I need it. Well, A coffee is a lot like

797
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: plain tea. I have a buddy who's from uh, from

798
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: the South, and he often says plain tea has one

799
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: purpose in life to be sweetened. And I believe that

800
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: coffee is the same thing. Black coffee has one purpose

801
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: in life that's to be sweetened. Right, but you go black,

802
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: you just go that actually probably would cut down your

803
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: coffee and take you just go black coffee? That probably

804
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: would you know, I don't, and I don't really drink

805
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: that much. I would. I really have one cup in

806
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: the morning and that's it. Occasionally, if I'm just feeling

807
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: it during the day, at some point in the middle

808
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: of day, I'm getting that drag, I'll have a second cup.

809
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm I'm definitely a milk guy. I

810
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: used to be like the two sugar guy. I'm down

811
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: to kind of one or half. You know, I've worked

812
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: my way down. I don't know that I'll ever get

813
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: down to the black coffee, but uh, we're certainly trending

814
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: that direction. Um. Okay, how restrictive is it with some

815
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: of the Orthodox guys in terms of the difficulty in

816
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: in getting them every day there? And because they have

817
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: there's other things as part of their religion that they

818
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: have to do, So it's it's obviously a lot easier

819
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: at you just because the school is built around it, um,

820
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: and our schedules built around it. So you know, we

821
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: don't we don't have games that are scheduled Friday night

822
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: or Saturday afternoon. Our games would be you know, Thursday

823
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: night or Saturday night or Sunday. So you know, we're

824
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: we're kind of built a little bit around. That makes

825
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: it a lot easier. Um, But there are you know,

826
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: different challenges, right. We have got we have a dual curriculum.

827
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: We have guys who are doing talmud and rabbinic studies

828
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: that are maybe you know, spending a little bit more

829
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: of their day. You know. Then a regular student athlete

830
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: is at at you know, at another school, um, and

831
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: any of the kind of you know, in our world.

832
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: For some reason, guys will get married at twenty two

833
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: and you know, half these guys that are you know

834
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: calling me up, hey do we have practice this night?

835
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 1: I have a wedding and then oh I have another

836
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: wedding next Sunday, and then I have a wedding on Tuesday,

837
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: and you know, and then we're dealing with the whole

838
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: wedding schedule. But there's you know, in terms of the

839
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: holidays and and kind of the differences in general from

840
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: from from the religious aspect. It's it's it's already built

841
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: in based on the school. It's it's kind of the

842
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: outside things that were kind of managing a little bit

843
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: more that you know, probably a lot of people don't

844
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 1: feel the best coach in Division three that nobody knows

845
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: about that that we would. We're gonna take yourself out

846
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: of the argument that you go against this guy. You

847
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: or you watched him and you're like, man, that guy

848
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: is so good. So that's tough because now everyone in

849
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: my conference is gonna watch this and then, um, there's

850
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: a guy because maker Maker was at Williams and it

851
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: didn't work at Maris right. I just but I mean

852
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: he was killing it at at at Williams. Um. But again,

853
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, does come

854
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: down to players as much as much as play. But

855
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: there has to be somebody that you've been like, you know,

856
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: that guy is really really good. So I'll tell you this.

857
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: The at Mount St. Mary's up in Newburgh, Ryan Cadlebowski

858
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: is um does a great job. And he's a guy

859
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: that I you know, we we've played over the years

860
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: and regardless of what their talent level is over the years,

861
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: and they've had some years they've been very good. In

862
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: some years where they just have not had a lot

863
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: of talent, we just always have a tough time. They prepared,

864
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: so he does such a good job preparing for us

865
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: and and we I just feel like every every time

866
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: we win a game, especially up there, but in general

867
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: when we're competing against them. Every time we win a game,

868
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: I always walk out feeling like, man, I gotta find

869
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: the way to do a better job. That game shouldn't

870
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: that game shouldn't have felt like that, Um. And then

871
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: obviously when we lose, we walk out of there and

872
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: be like, I gotta figure out how to prepare like

873
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: that guy. Um. I think he does a really good job.

874
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: Is his teams played hard and they just have no

875
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: quip no matter what's going on in the game. Do

876
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: your guys cussing Hebrews so that they don't get technical fouls? No,

877
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: they're not shy. They cuss in English like everybody else

878
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: I know. But if you're cursed in Hebrew, they don't

879
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: they they they can't catch you. We used to have

880
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: that when I was when I was playing, we had

881
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: a few Israelis on the team, and they used to

882
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: like to try to call the plays in Hebrew. Uh.

883
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: Definitely cursed in Hebrew. Uh. A different world. Now it's

884
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: not as much. Now. Guys aren't shy. You know. What's

885
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: what's funny about the Hebrew thing is and when you

886
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: play in Israel or what you live in is where

887
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: you go there, Like all of a sudden, you'll you'll

888
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: have people that you're having a conversation and they're breaking.

889
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: They know you don't speak Hebrew. They break into Hebrew,

890
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: so you're lost in the conversation, like what are they

891
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: talking about? Like you're probably talking about you, right, that's true,

892
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: and it's funny. I actually said I spoke pretty good

893
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: Hebrew growing up, and um, I spent actually spent the

894
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: gap year in Israel, and I was pretty good at it.

895
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: But it's, uh, it's kind of a little bit lost

896
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: on me lately and I don't I don't have it

897
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: as well as definitely as much as I used to.

898
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: But uh, I remember there's not gonna be a trip,

899
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: so over there the same same idea. You know, you

900
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: know all these guys they never heard a word, and

901
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden you're meeting the Israeli

902
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: contingent and they're like, uh, you know, the conversation starts off,

903
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, they speak English, and then all of a

904
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: sudden breaking people are like, oh, yeah, we know you're

905
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: talking about us. Exactly. It's it's exactly what what what

906
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: takes place? Um, you mentioned you guys have this natural

907
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: break now right, and you don't play again I thinkuntil

908
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: the twenty six if everything goes as planned, right. Um,

909
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: So does that mean when they're off, when do you

910
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: get them back and start training with them again? We're

911
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: bringing them we're bringing them back or I mean it's early,

912
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: but it's not early enough. But we're bringing back on

913
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: the nineteenth. Um. So we'll probably get about five practices

914
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: in before our first game. Um, and then we get

915
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: kind of right into it. We play I think every

916
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: two to three days after that for the next like

917
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: three or four weeks. What's the craziest reason behind a

918
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: guy not making it back from home that you've been given? Um,

919
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: probably a guy waiting for his sister to have a baby. Okay,

920
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: it's like it's not really a thing, dude, Like you

921
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: gotta kind of but you can't say it, but you

922
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: gotta gotta feel it, right, Like maybe maybe get on

923
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: the plane, come back to practice, and then you know,

924
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: you can go back there and you know if you

925
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: need to for a day or whatever it is, but uh,

926
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, maybe just wait. Yeah exactly, Yeah, but that

927
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: was that was one of the that was one of

928
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: the we have to have to stay for the brist

929
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: so we had to say for as well, I got

930
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: to stay. Yeah, I think I think that as well. Yeah,

931
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: but but that's the thing, like I don't think they

932
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: knew if it was gonna be a boy or a girl.

933
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like you're you're waiting for a

934
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: couple of days or you're waiting for two weeks. We

935
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: don't know yet. Toughest venue to play in, toughest place

936
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: to play for US has probably been, uh, probably been

937
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: Farmingdale State, Long Island. It's it's Long Island, Farmingdale. Um,

938
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: it's a little bit out east on Long Island. They're

939
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: they're a conference team, big rivalry. Usually both teams have

940
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: been very good over the last few years. We've we've

941
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: seen each other, I think in the conference championship or playoffs,

942
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: I think each of the last three or four years.

943
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: What's the gym like? It's big, h you know, ours

944
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: is like a band box. There's like a you know

945
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: a little more of an arena style gym, big, you know,

946
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: bleachers on both hides. It's like an old airport hangar.

947
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: It's pretty new looking at its weird, Yeah, yeah, it's weird.

948
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: And does it have a tartan floor. Is that a

949
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: wood floor? No, I think now that i'm thinking about that,

950
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think it's would, but it's not.

951
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: It happens to be nice, Jim. Um. We just for

952
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: whatever reason we you know, we struggle there. And I

953
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: mean a lot of it has to do with them

954
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: being good too. The championship this year is where D

955
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: three championships were. I believe it's Indiana. Yeah, so they're

956
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: I think they're bringing they're bringing all the championships to

957
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: one yet or is that so they were? That was

958
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: what that was what the goal was two years ago

959
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: when things got canceled. I think they're back to that,

960
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. I always and I try very

961
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: hard not and I know it's cliche as hell, but

962
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: I tried very hard not to look that far ahead.

963
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: I try so hard to not even like look at

964
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: the dates or I don't even know when the final

965
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: four is. I don't even I think it's it's in

966
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: New Orleans. I didn't even realize until recently it's into

967
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: So now, if you guys go to Indiana, are you

968
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: going to take him to the Hoosiers Gym? That would

969
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: be a cool trip for us. I mean, if that's

970
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: if again, if that's where it is, I don't even

971
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: remember for sure I could. I could totally be off

972
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: on on where it is. But if that's where it is,

973
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: that's probably something I would try to do with them.

974
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: That's amazing really that obviously you don't know where that's like,

975
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not trying to give your ship. I no, no, no,

976
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: I could kill I literally, I purposely don't ever look

977
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: like I just did not. I don't like if you

978
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: ask me right now when our conference playoffs were, I

979
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 1: have no idea not to it. What would it mean

980
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: to you personally to lead your alma mater with an

981
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: all Jewish team to a D three national title. Um, yeah,

982
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: that would be That would be obviously the dream. That

983
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: would be pretty cool. Um. You know, it's it's it's

984
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: not so much about what it would mean to me

985
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: as much as what it would mean to these guys.

986
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: And not even just the guys that we have right now,

987
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: it's the guys we had two years ago who kind

988
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: of you know, we had a couple of guys years

989
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: ago who graduated. They didn't just pave the way, they like,

990
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: they bought into what I wanted to do. Like when

991
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: when I said to them when I was recruiting, like, hey, mediocrity,

992
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: mediocrity is not going to be the goal anymore, like

993
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: going fight. We're not gonna celebrate being five hundred. We're

994
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna put ourselves on the map. We're gonna win

995
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: our conference. We're gonna go to the you know, to

996
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: the n c A tournament, and we're gonna we're gonna

997
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: win games and compete for a national championship. And you

998
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: know whereas most people laugh, Like even even in my

999
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: interview when I interviewed for the job at y You

1000
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: and I kind of laid that out. People looked at

1001
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: me like I was crazy. A couple of guys were

1002
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: like chuckling, uh, and I was like I was dead

1003
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: serious about it, and um, you know, I you know,

1004
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: there are a couple of guys that I recruited that

1005
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: we're seniors that year who we're like, yeah, coach, that's

1006
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. We're coming, We're coming there. We're

1007
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: coming there to do that. That's what we're gonna do. Um,

1008
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: and you know, that's that's kind of you know snowball

1009
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: for us, you know, to where we've you know built

1010
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: the team that we have now that kind of grew

1011
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: out of that, and I think to see those guys,

1012
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: If I get to see those guys react to being

1013
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: in that situation, that'll mean everything to me. Um, do

1014
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: you have any desire to be the full time coach

1015
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: or do you like to set up? Kind of I

1016
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: do kind of like to set up. It's you know,

1017
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: I love my law practice. UM. I have good clients.

1018
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: I like dealing with them. Um. There is a part

1019
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: of me that likes the fact that this is a

1020
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: it's a passion. It's something I love doing. I love coaching.

1021
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: I could do it at the high school level, I

1022
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: can do it at the college level. It doesn't make

1023
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: a difference where I am. I've always loved doing it. Um,

1024
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a part of me that likes

1025
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: the fact that it's you know, a passion and something

1026
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: that I'm able to do. You know, call it on

1027
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: the side as much as you know we call it

1028
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: part time. It's full time hours in a part time job.

1029
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: But um, you know there's a part of me that

1030
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: likes that balance to life and and having different things

1031
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: to uh to focus on. You know, it doesn't mean

1032
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: I would you know, you know, at some point against it.

1033
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: But it's, uh, it's something that I that I really

1034
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: enjoy that balance right now. Um, when somebody plays your teams,

1035
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think they walk away saying,

1036
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: I hope they walk away saying that, you know, that's

1037
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: the most selfless team we've ever played against. Like, those

1038
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: guys share the ball, those guys help each other on defense. Um,

1039
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: and those guys are really out there for each other

1040
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: because that's really what we preach and it's it's kind

1041
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: of the way our guys lived. UM. And I think

1042
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: it's really what's made its successful with the years is

1043
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: that you know, we've had some really good players. We

1044
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: have some great players right now. UM, and there's not

1045
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: a single one of them that wouldn't give up numbers

1046
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: to get more letters. Yeah, that's I mean, it's it's

1047
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: pretty amazing at how when I told people I was

1048
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: going to have you on how everyone knows and not

1049
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: just like Jewish pastor players, Like everyone knows. It's become

1050
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: a thing like I had no idea that they were

1051
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: they were that good. And it's only really been the

1052
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: last three four years where you where you you're on

1053
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: the map, it hasn't been a okay, So then the

1054
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: goal is not just to be competitive, but to be

1055
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: consistent right with the challenge in that, like you you mentioned,

1056
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: it's about bringing the right kind of guys. And the

1057
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: good thing is the pool of players doesn't really change,

1058
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: but there can be some really talented guys that maybe

1059
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: don't fit into how they're not your O kgs, you're

1060
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: kind of guys. How do you how do you build

1061
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: it to you consistently? Then what's the secret? And we've

1062
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: had that issue over the years. We've we've had guys

1063
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Speaker 1: that we thought were really really talented who wanted to

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Speaker 1: come here that we've turned away, um, you know, and

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Speaker 1: we've seen some of them go Division one uh and

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Speaker 1: they're and they're that talented. We just we didn't think

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Speaker 1: they were either. We didn't think they were winning players,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't think they fit into what we were doing.

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Speaker 1: From an attitude. You said, sorry for erupting. You said

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Speaker 1: winning players, And I love that, and I but my

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Speaker 1: belief and winning players might be different than yours. What

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Speaker 1: are you looking for that? What signifies a winning player?

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Speaker 1: Winning winning player is to me as an attitude, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's you know, looking there's always got to be talented.

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Speaker 1: You know, you want guys who can put the ball

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Speaker 1: in the basket. You want guys who can get stops defensively,

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Speaker 1: but you want guys who walked to the bench in

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Speaker 1: a certain way. You want guys who sit on the

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Speaker 1: bench in a certain way. You want guys who act

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Speaker 1: on the court a certain way outside of the basketball stuff. Right,

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Speaker 1: So it's how they talk to their teammates. But when

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Speaker 1: I watch film, even even when we're watching our own games,

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Speaker 1: we're not just watching the game and right, and and

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Speaker 1: not even just the typical I'm watching how players react

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Speaker 1: on the bench to see who's kind of piste off

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Speaker 1: they're not in the game versus supporting their team. It's

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Speaker 1: even how guys are on the court, like I love

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Speaker 1: to see on the court. For example, when you know,

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Speaker 1: if I you know Gabriel Lifer, who is you know,

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Speaker 1: almost averaging a triple double and and could probably score

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00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: game if you wanted to, and is averaging about ten

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00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: of games this year, you know he'll be sitting in

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Speaker 1: the post and you know, one on one situation, but

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Speaker 1: pointing over his shoulder to the guy behind him because

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00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: he's about to go set a back screen for that guy.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to get an assist, the rebound or

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Speaker 1: or a point on that play, but he's pointing to

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Speaker 1: where he wants the ball to go because he sees

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Speaker 1: ahead of what's going to happen in terms of how

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Speaker 1: the defense is set. And he goes and screens a

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00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: guy for a basket. That's a winning player, and you

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Speaker 1: don't have to be his level to be a winning player.

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Speaker 1: We've had guys who nobody has heard of. I had

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Speaker 1: a guy named Tyler who played for me for four years,

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Speaker 1: who graduated two years ago. Excuse me, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Tyler not the most talented player in the world. One

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Speaker 1: of the hardest working kids I've ever been around. He

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Speaker 1: started off the year as us when he was a sophomore.

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Speaker 1: Was the first year we went to the n c

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Speaker 1: A tournament. Was about four years ago. Starts off the

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Speaker 1: year literally one of our last players off the bench,

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Speaker 1: did not play a single game minute the first five

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Speaker 1: six games of the year. Kept working in practice to

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Speaker 1: a point where I was like, I gotta throw this

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Speaker 1: guy in a game and see what happens. Ended up

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Speaker 1: being a starter in the in the Skyline Championship, in

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Speaker 1: the conference championship game, and in the n c A

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Speaker 1: tournament for USU. He was just a winning player. He

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Speaker 1: was just a kid who did the right things on

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Speaker 1: the court, and it had nothing to do with stats.

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Speaker 1: He just always did the right things and acted the

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Speaker 1: right way. And sure enough, in UH the semifinal game

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Speaker 1: two years ago before the pandemic at home, up three

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Speaker 1: with under thirty seconds left, he ends up defending UH

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Speaker 1: their best player or their best shooter, UM and the

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Speaker 1: kid goes to the classic UH, you know, Dwyane Wade,

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Speaker 1: James Harden, pump take from three to get you up

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Speaker 1: in the air and try to get you know, draw

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Speaker 1: out the foul and being a winning player in the

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Speaker 1: right spot, right place, right time. Tyler kind of just

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Speaker 1: stood his ground. Kid jumped into him. He ends up

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Speaker 1: taking a charge. We win the game. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's guys like that. It's not it's just not it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's more than talent. It's just it's more about

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Speaker 1: kind of how you project on the court and off UM.

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Speaker 1: And those are the guys we want to get because

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Speaker 1: those are the guys we can teach to them what

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Speaker 1: we're doing and we'll find enough guys to make shots.

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Speaker 1: But if we have guys like that, you know, especially

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Speaker 1: when there are talented guys and our skill guys, Um,

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Speaker 1: we feel like we'll be in a really good spot. Elliott,

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Speaker 1: I hope you feel Better'd be like nobody nobody likes

1143
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: being sick, right, I mean forget I mean obviously COVID

1144
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: bad enough, but just the idea of being sick, it's

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Speaker 1: just uh, you know, um, And I cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: see what you guys look like, hopefully on the twenty

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Speaker 1: six And I gotta I gotta see. I gotta comes

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Speaker 1: to you guys playing you guys are because officially become

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Speaker 1: a thing. I appreciate that. And definitely, uh let me

1150
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Speaker 1: know when you get there, I'll get some parking. You

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00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: definitely need it up there. Yeah, I would guess. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining me and hunteel better. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much appreciate having me. Well that was that

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Speaker 1: was awesome, What a fascinating look. Well will continue to

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Speaker 1: bring you the best, the most interesting people in all

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Speaker 1: of sports on the Doug Gottlieb Show three to six

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Speaker 1: series x M two seventeen or two oh three. A

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Speaker 1: lot to get to in the meantime, Remember we're gonna

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Speaker 1: keep bringing you the best college basketball, NBA high school

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Speaker 1: basketball legends. Tell a friend about it. I'm Doug Goli.

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