WEBVTT - Fire Drill 081: US Open Preview with a Zing 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.440 What is Tiger thinking right now as he's listening to 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:10.280 this podcast? And Tiger, You've got myself call if you wish. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:12.480 But he's a little miffed. He's a little bit fuddled 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:14.760 because one thing Tiger's not used to is being on 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:15.680 the outside looking in. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:17.119 It's gonna be kind of weird for him not to 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:18.959 be the most powerful person in golf anymore. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:21.880 I got daughts. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:29.440 Can't get him join, not the thing what I'm thinking about. Counts, 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.720 can't get him out join, Not the thing what I'm 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:35.720 thinking about. 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.160 Hello, this is alan Ship. Like the Backgrother Fire Drill 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.360 podcast with Michael Bamberger a year ago. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.479 On this occasion, we were at Brookline. Yes, if we 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.600 were a three headed monster, then well, we have a 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:58.120 live studio audience. We're in front of some sort of 0:00:58.680 --> 0:00:59.840 drunken beer. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.640 They're getting rowdy up here, and we've got the Hollywood 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.800 Hills behind us, We've got glorious Southern California sunshine. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.080 Like they don't even get rowdy at Dodger Games. How 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.759 could they get rowdy on the Tuesday of a US 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:14.319 Open LA Country Club. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:19.640 Okay, I exaggerated, I'm pro hyperbole, Michael, but uh, we're here, 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.080 what we are here? How great is the light? 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.840 Whoever came up with the concept of the West Coast 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.360 Open new it he or she or they were talking 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:29.880 about it. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.720 It's the best. It was your friend Sandy Tatum. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.319 I believe no, because Hogan played in one forty eight. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:39.160 Lest we forget Yeah, at Riviera, we all know that. Alan, 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.400 You're you lived in these parts for a long time. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.640 You went to college over the hill here at UCLA 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.320 right over here. You know the Riviera course, Well you 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.160 know this course to some degree? 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:52.120 Do you know? 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:53.160 Have you been here before? I have? 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:53.480 Yeah. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.840 If you if you were the czar of the USGA, 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.880 you could only pick one golf course to hold the 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.600 National Open, Rivier or La North. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.480 Which would it be? And why? Excellent question? I mean 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.320 I would say La North because I'm not a huge 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.079 fan of having the majors at courses that already host 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.360 a tour event. It's not a special I mean, we 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.280 know riv intimately. It has its own history through the 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.000 LA Open. You know the PGA. The Elkington one was 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.520 kind of weird and nobody turned out for and the 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.760 greens were wonky, like everyone's. Rivier is special for what 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.480 it is, but this is a grander stage. I mean, 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:30.560 I love Rivie A's a golf course, but it's a 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:34.040 very tight little bandbox and you come out here. Just 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.359 the scale of the US Open is incredible. I mean 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.280 we were talking about this off mic, but like Oak 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.880 Hill was tremendous, and it felt like a big ballpark 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:44.680 when you were around the clubhouse and you got out 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.040 through the other holes, and it just felt like, you know, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:47.520 it could have been a tour vent on some level. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.960 You get here and it's just the build out and 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.560 the energy and the crowd, and this is a cool setting. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.040 I mean, you've got the buildings of you can see 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.200 Century City, You've got Beverly Hills, You've got Hollywood. Like 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.560 I'm driving up here, I felt it like I was 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.800 on Sandmachel Boulevard, parbably, as you said, you know, I 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.160 went to school at UCLA, and this this is a 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.120 I don't spend a lot of time in La anymore, 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:08.640 but when I get here, it's like, oh, this is cool. 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:10.840 But like, wow, I'm going to make a left turn 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.440 and I'm going to be at the US Open, even 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.880 though I'm right in the heart of Los Angeles. So 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.920 this is a really cool spectacle. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.240 Hey as well. This is the third major being played 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.400 in the city limits so far this year. Augusta's in 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:27.919 Augusta and Oakill's in Rochester. And here I think it's 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:29.560 you know, as I say that, I think it's not correct. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.400 I think it's in Pittsford. But here we are in 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.600 Los Angeles itself. It's absolutely astounding. I mean there were 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:37.960 for those who don't know, there were thirty six holes here. 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.120 It's as Alan was indicating, it's a big piece of property. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.600 It would be worth billions and millions of dollars, so 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.200 it could somehow be developed. I learned this only recently 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:51.520 that geologists come to this golf course to study what Angeles, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.800 Los Angeles was like a thousand years ago before it 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.280 got all paved over. Well, I mean the Libreo tarpits 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.960 are just down the road. I mean, yeah, that doesn't 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.240 shock me, but yeah, nothing everything else is every other 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.840 inch of Los Angeles has been built out right. Not 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.360 only is it thirty six holes, but like just that 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.320 double green at nine and eighteen plus the first tea, 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.960 like it reminds me like Kingston Heath, Or's some other 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.120 places where you get in that first tea box and 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:18.080 it just feels big. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.279 Yeah. And then there's just this expanse and it's just 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.920 all golf and it's super cool. Yeah. 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.160 I mean, I guess you know this has been said 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.359 by others, but I have to say I thought this 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:29.880 when I first came here for the first time a 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:34.080 few years ago. Whatever your notion of a US Open 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:38.000 course was, this doesn't fill it. There's no US Open course. 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.720 You know, Chambers Bay would probably be the closest thing 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.359 to this. It's spectacular, it's beautiful. It's really really a 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.599 special golf course. We were just talking with Gil Hans, 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.000 who redid this George Thomas course, and you know, I 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.960 wasn't joking. I said it's like Pine Valley meets Augustin National. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.080 But yeah, it's on a tree line golf course. It 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.120 puts I don't think it puts really that much for 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.800 a premium and driving it straight. The player are saying 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.800 that's not the case. I trust you, Thank you all. 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:10.680 But regardless, it's a spectacular setting. Yeah for US Open 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:11.920 and a thrill. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.719 I mean, are any courses tree lined anymore? 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.360 Ok So the Oakland, you know, oak Hill was a 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:19.839 little bit but not really true. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.960 Yeah, No, I mean I agree, there was a template 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.960 back in you know what my first US Open was 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.840 was Oakmont, and they've lost ten thousand trees there, right, 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.800 that was claustrophobic and tight, right, And there was a 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.520 lot of courses like in the fill year. 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.080 Yeah, it was still pretty close. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.800 So the whole, the whole palette of golf has changed 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.080 a little bit, and this this is is a part 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.200 of that. But par will be a good score. Yer Like, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.680 it's definitely gonna be tough. And everyone's seen the videos 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.440 of the ball just ping into the rough, But when 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.320 you're walking round out there, I mean there's parts where 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.440 it's patchy, like if you look the grass were standing 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:53.880 on you, you're gonna be able to play out of it. 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.040 I mean it's very hit or miss. I'm not I'm 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.200 not a grass guy, but it feels like it's more 0:05:58.240 --> 0:05:59.800 of a lottery in this rough. You might get a 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:01.680 good you might not. And that to me, I kind 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.000 of like that. It's it's in the lap of the gods. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.240 So I think, what are you saying. 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.560 Are you saying two eighty is gonna win or playoff? 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:10.320 I mean. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:12.680 It's got a chance. 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.840 Well, I beg to different I think it'll be much lower. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.040 I think it'll be too seventy will playoff there. 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:22.000 Okay, heard disagree. As Gil told us, he just come 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.279 from meeting and they're like, we love where the courses 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.400 on Tuesday, but we're gonna start dialing it up a 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.880 little bit. Like the forecast is perfect. You know, it's 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.720 between seventy two and seventy five every day. It's quintessential La. Yeah, 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.200 and the sun is out. It's been they've had all 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.600 this May hayes and June gloom, but now the sun's out, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.840 so this place can get crispy. Yeah, I'm pre your 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.000 AUGUSTA national comparison. Like there's some wicked greens out there, 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:49.200 and they have some really fun little shelves. And if 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.920 someone wins this at two seventy, I will be shocked. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.000 And we should know. It's breezy, and you know when 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.120 it gets sunny here, it gets breezy. Yeah, when they 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.040 have that marine layer, it can be very still and 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.360 then you could kill it, but I would I would 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:06.640 amend that. Yes, very much weather dependent. And isn't this 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.000 a joy? We've been talking about golf now for about 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:10.080 six minutes. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.160 More than six Well, I didn't you know, I'm not 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:14.560 going to use a lot of hair product. I went 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.600 extra light today so that the viewers could see the winds. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.560 You know, it's really they'll tell you, not yours. It 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:21.920 doesn't doesn't quite work that way. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:27.640 No, you're more like green wind diagnostic, if that's a phrase. 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.200 Yeah. But anyway, Yeah, I know we have been talking 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:32.960 about golf. It is, it is pleasant. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.560 It gets getting lost actually, uh, And I mean people 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.560 have been saying this, and it is true. People who 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.760 like tennis. You like tennis, and I like tennis. A 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.520 lot of people like tenesis. Nobody knows anything about professional 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.600 tennis anymore except for the four majors. Yeah, and golf 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.640 could be heading that way, which I guess is good 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.960 for the majors, But I don't know if that's that's 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:54.760 good for golf. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.760 No. I mean, did you hear Brooks at his press 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.880 conference today at the end, see you guys in hard 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:00.760 next week. 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:02.960 I mean, now, interpret that for me. I really didn't 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:04.160 know how to interpret that. First. 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:05.920 The first thing, you know was Brooks is an absolute 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.800 troll at heart, so he could have just been been 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.840 taking the piss, as they say, across the ocean. That 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.880 way but I don't know. I mean it if all 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.040 if the whole point of this is daytone and and 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.720 they're gonna try to reunify the game. If you're the 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.720 tournament director at Hartford, do you want brooks Kopka the 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.160 most dominant player in golf? Hell yeah? So maybe they 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.360 gave him a sponsors exemption, Like I don't know why. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.679 Maybe you're showing up as a spectator. You can't even 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.840 come to a player's meeting. There's no way. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.640 I mean, there was no way a week ago. But 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.280 I don't know. Things are moving very. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.480 Quickly, and maybe maybe someone paying him two million dollars 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:44.800 to show at a cocktail party. 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:45.360 It could be. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.160 I mean, I mean, he's definitely not in the field. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:49.319 That's crazy you talk. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.319 He's on the suspended list. How How what was mont 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:54.600 hand only kidding about that too? 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:59.120 Well, the whole idea that they're gonna they're gonna hit 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.240 these live guys super hard with penalties and fines, and 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.120 that's not really any way to unify the sport, Like 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.560 retribution and vengeance is not a good start if you're 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.520 trying to bring the game back together. So I think 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.920 that was bluster. I think that was posturing. I think 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.880 the reality is that if you're trying to build a 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:25.640 partnership between these different these warring tribes, like that's just 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.480 not the way to do it. I mean, I think 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.520 Monahan was trying to quiet his angry membership. He was 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.720 trying to put a little spin on it. But when 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.319 the rubber meets the road, the tour needs these guys, 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.040 I mean, they just do. I mean, Brooks is the 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.920 most dominant player in golf all of a sudden, and 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.080 do they want to scare them away assuming that the 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.319 lives live indoors, which from all the talk you know 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.120 Dustin Johnson saying that you heard that right from Yasser, Like, 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.400 those guys are happy over there. They're making a lot 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.800 of money, they're having fun with this team element. If 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.680 they want to lure them back to the tour, they're 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.960 actually going to have to try. Otherwise I'll just keep 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.480 stay and will stay over there. I mean, Brooks is 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.800 happy with the majors, which he's in now for you know, 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.800 that's not an issue as a champ as the winner 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.560 of the PGA Championship doesn't even need the world ranking points. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.480 So Hartford needs Brooks more than Brooks needs Hartford, that's 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.800 the bottom of Oh, that's definitely is the case. Yeah. 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.719 I know you've been potting about this broad subject for 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.440 a while, and of course you're writing a book about it. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.960 I haven't heard you on this specific question and the 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.640 balance of power when you've got Yasser as chairman and 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:31.560 Jamon is CEO, and a board that, in theory is 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:36.320 controlled by tried and true people whom we know, yeah, 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.760 players and American business people and that. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:39.240 Sort of thing. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.000 Yeah, where do you think the balance of power really 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.920 will lie in this for profit side of things with 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.600 Monahan and the board or is yes here going to 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:48.680 get what Yes here wants? 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.160 The latter I mean all this talk about the board, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.560 the board, the board. The PGA too had a board, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.000 it had a player advisory council, it had a whole 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:02.280 system of governance, and Yasser reached golf over cigars. Like, 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.320 I don't think you can put too much credence in 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.440 the board. The board, the board. The board didn't even 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.520 know this was coming, right, I think that's the answer, Like, Okay, 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.800 there'll be another board. But the money is the power. 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.439 Yasser has the money. But I do think what's been 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.280 lost in all this it's not a merger between the 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:24.640 PJ Tour and Live Golf. It's it's basically the PIFF 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:29.319 is becoming a sponsor of the tour. That's it. That's all. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.840 And I think lives going to remain a going concern. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.320 That's more or less separate from that. Yaser will decide 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.200 it's fate. If he wants to keep funding it and 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.640 he sees a path to profitability, then he'll keep it going. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:43.920 If he thinks it's going to be this albatross, then 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:45.760 he can shut it down. But I don't think Jayman 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:47.520 will have any say in that, no matter what he's 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.280 claiming publicly. And he's not. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.640 Shutting it down because this is a little toy for him. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.600 Why would you shoot? Why would you a little toy? 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:54.959 And it loves golf. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:56.680 Now he's hanging out with Dustin Johnson. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.800 And maybe they have a way to make money now 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.400 if they can use the tour distribution, all those platforms, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.679 if they have access now to all the tour sponsors, 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.960 they've they've already invested what two billion dollars, So why 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:11.679 just lose that money without at least trying to get 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:13.439 it back? You know, you can at most to lose 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.000 another half billy, but maybe there's a path forward. So 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.440 I would be absolutely shocked. And then not to mention 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.199 we have all the anti trust concerns like if if 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:25.959 you have that, if you have the Department of Justice, 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.440 you have various senators and other folks like up your ass. 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.839 You can't just shut down a competitor, Like how's that 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:32.719 gonna work? Right? 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.040 But doesn't Tuesday's news just make the Department Justice more 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.880 suspicious of golf, not less suspicious exactly. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.760 I mean, you know, Senator Blumenthal is already calling for investigations. 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:46.160 So and you know Monaghan, he was a little overwhelmed 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.280 by the moment for him to go on TV and say, yeah, 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.120 we took a competitor off the board. That was the 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.120 worst possible thing he could have said, Like, I guarantee 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.120 that was not workshopped with Ed Hurley and other lawyers 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.720 in his orbit. Yeah, that was a mistake. It felt rushed, 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.680 It felt rush and and Jay would did not rise 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.560 to the moment. So I don't think. I don't think 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.880 Live Golf is going anywhere. Everyone wants it to disappear. 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.720 Who were tour loyalists and they feel like, you know, 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.200 it's become. That was part of the narrative like Live sucks, 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.400 it's never gonna work. Now now the ground has shifted, 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:18.800 it's like, okay, the new narrative is a Live is 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.880 gonna get shut down by Jay, Like I don't think so. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.760 Why is Taylor Gutch not in this field down? 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.320 Well, partly because he didn't rise to the occasion and 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.920 go through Open qualifying like Sergio and others like it 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.000 was a really curious decision on his part. I mean, 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:37.959 the guy's been playing great golf. He's ascendant. You know, 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.720 he said it was partly in protest and partly because 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.880 it's a busy stretch. I mean, give me a break, Taylor, 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.120 Like one day, one day, I mean, he did get 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.839 jobbed by the by the USGA. You know, they had 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.440 always exempted into the US Open anyone who qualified for 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.640 the Tour Championship. Taylor Gooch made enough points during last 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.439 year's fed X Cup season to earn a place in 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.760 the Tour Championship even though he left for Live. So 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.280 then the US changed the word and you say not 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.760 only qualified, but eligible, And obviously he forfeited his eligibility 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.600 when he went to Live. He's the only guy who 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.440 was affected by that very arbitrary change in working. And 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.560 you know that was a little window into the soul 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:14.920 of Mike Wand and where he stands on this whole 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:19.000 divide because he sanctioned all that, and it was interesting. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.840 It doesn't as fill of all people playting out. It 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.000 doesn't serve the USGA well when you have a guy 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.400 who's been playing at such a high level, right, I mean, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.480 shoot sixty two to sixty two in any tournament in 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.280 the world is impressive, let alone against a lot of 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.520 major championship winners and Hall of famers and Ryder Cuppers 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.520 on a course it has a legit pedigree. I mean 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.160 that course over in Singapore, it hosted Singapore Open a 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.320 bunch of times. The role call of winners is really good. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.880 I mean, it's a legit golf course. So I don't 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.440 know how it benefits USGA to exclude him, but that 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:48.200 was their choice. 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.440 It's kind of a weird thing to be focusing on 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.120 one missing player on the eve of a great championship, 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:57.720 but it does feel a little wrong. And you know, 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.200 I'm yes, as you point out, he's sure to He 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.280 could have, of course played in thirty six of qualif 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.120 if he wanted to, and he didn't and he should have. 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:06.760 I mean that was that was a mistake by him, 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.720 but it was also you know, he said it was 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.960 partly in protest to like kind of bringing attention to 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.040 what the USGA did. And again, when you get into 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:18.200 these issues of antitrust and callusion, it doesn't look good. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:20.920 Yeah, so we're here. Do you think this means that 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.720 we're never going to see a us O part of 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.760 me as a masking this, But I do think I 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:29.280 know the answer. Tory Pines is not on not on 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.040 the list for anything, is it right now? Not PJ 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:33.520 or or US opens. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:33.840 Nothing. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.480 No, I mean the the as you were saying, it's 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.040 got the annual event. Maybe that puts in a special category. 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.160 But I thought those opens were special at Toroy. What 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:43.600 we had too, We had two great. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.800 Winners to walk offs on the sev second hole. Are 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.800 the kind kind of yeah, two amazing putts on the 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.720 saving second hold. Yes, Tiger went on to do his 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:55.640 two really really great players and beautiful backups. People the 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:59.760 architecture walks don't like Tory Pines. It's it's a somewhat 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.360 a mentory test. There's not a lot of imagination. I 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.120 mean every hole, excuse me, every hole has bunkers, and 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.720 every green is bunkers. The faerry, every green is guarded 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.400 by bunkers. They just ask a very basic question like 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.200 can you execute the same shot over can you hit 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.360 the fairry? Can you hit it on the green. It's 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.600 slightly ponderous, but it does sort of bring out the 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:26.320 most precise and the best golfer, which was John Romson. Yeah, 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.920 and it certainly looks great on TV. The San Diego 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.360 community has turned out, but you know, pebbles an anchor site. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.840 I think this is gonna become an anchor site. Olympic 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.280 is back in the mix after they've redone it, so 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.200 something's got to give, and unfortunately it's probably Tory. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.440 Yeah, but as you said, they still have their winter events, 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.200 so totally it. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.440 Feels out of it. They've been playing the San Diego 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:50.880 Open for decades and decades. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.160 It's an interesting time in major championship golf because I 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.960 think the PJA, even though he's better first, going to 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.200 May has been a great move for them. But after 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.320 you saw the great andess of course like go kill, 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:03.800 I don't know, maybe this stuff they're building in Frisco 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.280 is great, but yeah, it's hard to feel like I 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.320 feel excited about it. But when you get there, oh 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:10.360 this is spectacular. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.960 It looks cool. And that's also Gil Hant, who also 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.800 did an Olympic like there was an open doctor, you know, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:21.159 Rhys Jones or no sorry, Trent Jones, Robin Trent Jones. Yeah, 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.080 and they kind of took it in a very penal, 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:29.199 old old school smash mouth style. You know. Gill's a 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.520 different aesthetic and it's still tough, but there's a lot 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.040 more room to play. There's a lot more imagination around 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.960 the greens, and obviously that we all prefer that. So 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.880 I think he's found the secret sauce. So we'll see 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:45.040 about Frisco. I mean, I've been it's a challenge for 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.480 the PGA of America to fine venues that work. And 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:50.840 I think it's a mistake to go to the old 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.000 US open venues because, as you wrote in your excellent 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.679 preview piece on firepitc Collective dot com, the you know, 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.840 Oak Hill felt like a US open, right, And so I. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.120 I like the USGG it's its own field and he's 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:02.399 other thing. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.480 And I think that's new courses. That's that's that's taken 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.679 it to really different spots. So maybe Frisco becomes that. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.399 I would love for them to go to Bandon Dunes. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:10.640 I would. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.960 I would love for them that would be neat. I 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.280 mean it would be need of Chambers Bay. Could Chambers 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.280 Bay was spectacular, just wasn't quite there. Yeah, but it 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.240 could get there. There's no reason why I couldn't. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.240 I know, well, I mean, and there was that period 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.080 where the usg tried it. They went to Chambers and 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:25.200 they went to Aaron Hills. 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:26.800 Aaron never worked. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.320 Neither one was really an artistic success. All you had 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:33.719 great winners. I mean the speed DJ shootout those shots 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.280 on the last hole Chambers was amazing. I mean that 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.520 was the rise of Koepka at Aaron Hills. So like 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.200 the courses produced, but they didn't feel like US Opens 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.520 like I would. They're better suited for what the PGA 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:48.360 should be, something new, different, imaginative. I like the US 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.320 Open at the traditional courses. And even though this is 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.399 a new venue, this is an old golf course. I 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.000 mean it George Thomas, it goes back to the twenties, like, yeah, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:00.440 it's golden era, and so I think it's cool that 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.800 that they've brought it back into the fold. I expect 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.480 that this is going to be an incredible week and 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:05.760 that this they'll be back here again. 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.760 Has your editor, Jophi Ferrari Adler, an avid reader presses 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:14.040 he read the first draft or the submitted book at 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.720 this point he has, Yeah, how's that going for you? 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.720 Well, JOEFI, who's a friend and a colleague of both 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.600 of ours. The colleagues nothing right word? What is it? 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.520 He's like our overlord, he's our mentor, he's our big brother, 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:29.719 he's our school principal. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.440 He's all those things and more. 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.840 The editor fills a lot of roles. He loved it. 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:36.959 I mean, he sent me the super flowery and he's 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.200 gotta put this up against anything Bob Woodward ever done 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:43.560 for real time reporting. And wow it was awesome. And yeah, 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.040 so they're you know, I probably ate in the confusion 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.560 when I my tweet when all the news broke. I 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:52.600 had turned the book in Sunday night, like two in 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:56.680 the morning Monday, like, I slept in, I took a bath, 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.240 I took a nap. I've never felt so relaxed and 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.880 happy in my life. And then Tuesday morning, the world 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.400 was on fire. But when you turn into a book, 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.040 it's not the end of the process. It's the beginning 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:10.760 of a whole new process. Right, the editor gets the 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.399 first pass. They have some big picture things you can 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.800 incorporate or you ignore, you fight about, and then it 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.280 goes to the copyetter, who's like the world's most uptight 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.560 you know, English teacher, anyone's ever had, They fuss over 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.359 every comma. There's a legal review like all that takes 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.480 six to eight weeks at least. Then the book comes 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.320 back to you and you can keep massaging it. So 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.760 I was always going to update it, probably through the 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.840 British Open and if there was a judication of the 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.600 world ranking and all this stuff. So I have time 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:43.520 and I'm reporting the story. I'm feverishly reworking the last chapters, 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:48.399 adding new material, going through in massaging passages, amplifying things 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.239 that we now know or turn out to be more 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:55.400 significant than we thought. And so it's cool that people said. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:56.800 A few people had said to me, you know, well, 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:58.360 why put the book out now? We don't know how 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.600 the story ends, you know, And I was like, well, 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:03.639 we don't exactly know the ending, but we just we 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.080 just a huge plot to us has been revealed and 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.640 it's cool. So the whole thing is in one tidy package. 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.919 And if this news had broken in a month or 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.280 two months now, I would have been crush because the 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:17.479 books that say two months, the books at the printers, 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:19.840 they are no getting it back and would have felt dated. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:21.560 So now it's going to be up to the minute. 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:26.480 And actually our jophy and our friends are are having 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.000 meetings like right now about moving the release date up 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.639 two or three weeks, which is a lot, bring it 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.720 to what early early to mid October, so the Halloween 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.160 just just to ride this wave and it's all anyone's 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.400 talking about, so why not? So yeah, I'm game. I mean, 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:45.680 this is an intense week for me because I'm I 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:47.760 have to get all the changes done and we're here 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:53.400 to cover the national Championship. But it's all good. I mean, yes, 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:54.080 I think. 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:57.640 That book is more even handed than you might realize. 0:21:59.560 --> 0:21:59.879 Yeah. 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.080 Yeah, well I was going to ask you that, like 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.479 in your mind, do you think it sort of bends 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:09.920 over backwards to let the live story be told because 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.679 the PGA tour has been sold by a very powerful 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.240 pr machine for decades, yes, and the live people are 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:17.920 new to it and then you don't have a powerful 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:20.280 pr mission that's been around for decades, so you might 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.639 have thought, oh, it's incumbent upon me to show this 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:26.480 other story. But I read it as a very balanced 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:27.360 piece of reporting. 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:31.720 Well, thank you. That was my intention. I mean, i'd 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:34.359 say my idea balance is to be critical of both 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.359 sides and to celebrate celebrate both sides when they do 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.719 something right. And that was you know, I kind of 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:44.080 I think it swings back and forth where passages feel 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:48.160 pro live, passages feel pro tour, passages are super critical 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:51.639 of one person or one entity, and it just toggles 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:55.240 back and forth. So it wasn't It's like a double dog. 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:57.800 It's not a dead straight hole where I'm just trying 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.880 to hit it straight every time, like I'm really, I'm 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:03.359 trying to tack both directions and that that's anyone who 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.399 plays golf knows it's more interesting that way. So but 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:10.960 I appreciate that, and that was always my intention. It's 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:13.280 it's been interesting in you know, the stories that I've 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.520 I've typed in the podcast we've done since the news 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:20.320 broke a week ago. Some people have been they've detected, Oh, 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:23.159 you're suddenly pro live it's like, well, it's more like 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.280 mon Hands out there talking, Jimmy Dunn's out there talking. 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:29.600 It all happened at a tour event. All the tour 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.200 guys are talking, Rory is talking. You know, Live didn't 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.320 have this platform, like, and the only guy who's not 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:35.960 talking is Yaser because he doesn't have to talk. His 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:39.320 money's loud enough. And so I felt like, well, then 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:41.119 I was advocating for Li's point of view. I was 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:44.000 explaining it, and I was trying to help. My roleness 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.159 is to help people make sense of all this because 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.040 so much has happened in the shadows. It's been so 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:54.000 secretive this and it's it's so complex and nuanced, and 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.240 so I feel like I'm a tour guide through this, 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.960 this this maze in some ways, and so I've been 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:02.159 interested there. It's like, oh, you're pro Live. It's like no, 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.800 but I've been talking to Live people for a year 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:06.800 and I can get him on the phone and I 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.080 understand where they're coming from. But I was also talking 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:13.040 to tour executive, tour players, tour agents, like I've really 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:17.359 just tried to explain what's happening, but there's been there 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.840 was so much coming out. It's like if you're listening 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:22.600 to headphones, you know, and on one year has got 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.600 the tour and the other live. The side coming bringing 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.240 that the tour spin was a hell of a lot louder, 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.080 and I feel like the whole debate needs more balance. 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:34.760 Right right, What is your personal feelings about yes here, 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.040 you've met him at least on one occasion, right. 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:39.639 Yeah, Yeah, we had a quick chat. Actually a dead minister, 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:44.960 he's and I've talked to a lot of people about him. 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.840 He's a very measured he's very careful, very soft spoken, 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:56.480 and impressive in the energy he projects. He's not He's 0:24:56.520 --> 0:25:00.560 not a Greg Norman, who's who's loud and abrasive. He's 0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:02.720 not even a j Monaghan. You know, this hockey kid 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:06.040 from Boston and the chip on his shoulder. He feels 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.000 like a diplomat. He dresses like a diplomat. 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:08.240 You know. 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.760 I'm sure all this stuff is made on a Seville 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:16.159 road and he carries himself like that. It's impressive. And 0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:18.600 I thought even the interview he did with Monahan was 0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:21.760 interesting because he was very deferential to Jay. He took 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.360 the backsheat literally, Yeah, he let Jay do Moosa talk 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:27.280 in there was no clothing, there was no victory lap, 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:30.920 there was no sense that I just bought you. And 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:32.760 you know, if you'd put Norman on that stage, it 0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.600 would have been very different. There's the reason why why 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:38.960 why Yasir has become the guy, because he always was 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.200 behind the scenes. I mean, he's always been the shot callar. 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:43.920 This has been his baby. He's nurtured it, he's been 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:48.640 he's micromanaged it, he's refereed every dispute, like he's been 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:53.639 more involved than anyone really understands. But I thought it 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.760 was impressive the way and as we talked about a 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:58.600 minute ago, he's dropped out of site. He's not out 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:02.680 there chirping, you know, Like you know Jimmy Dunn, well 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:04.520 we all everyone in the golf world knows Jimmy Dunn, 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.760 and he's an impressive individual. But like for him to 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:08.440 go on the on the Golf channel and talk about 0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.600 like killing nine to eleven dudes with his bare hands, 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:15.959 like that was sort of wildly inappropriate. And they obviously 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:17.800 he's gone underground since then, Like no one's heard a 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.960 peep really from Jimmy Dunn since that. Like, you know, 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:23.640 y also would never make that mistake. He's never gonna 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:26.080 get caught up in the moment. Like he's just a 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:30.480 very careful Yeah, he parcels out every word very judiciously, 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:32.679 and so he's the right guy for this moment, like 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:36.960 cooler heads needed to prevail. It's not Jimmy Dunn, it's 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.600 probably not Ja mo Han, It's definitely not Greg Norman, 0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:40.959 but it certainly is him. 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.920 What do you think his relationship with MBS is, Like. 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.120 Well, they're close friends and confidants, Like, you know, he's. 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:51.320 Do you think you get him on the phone and 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:52.320 he Jommy wants him? 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.760 Oh, definitely, Yeah. I mean to run to run the 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.480 Public Investment Fund makes you one of the most powerful 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:01.119 people in the world. To run a Ramco, which is 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:04.439 the most profitable corporation on the planet, makes you one 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:05.919 of the most powerful people in the world when the 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.240 same guy does both. Like that's absolute power. 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.320 Multiplier effect there, Yes, in calculable. 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.560 Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's your top five. 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:18.120 It's it's probably Biden, it might it might be uh Putin, 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:22.159 I mean you probably the NBS is there in Yosser, 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:25.960 Like I don't know, it's like that's it like that 0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.359 those are the people who are moving all the pieces 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:32.080 on the chess board. And so yeah, he's the fact 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.880 that he loves golf so much is a big deal. 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.359 Because there's a funny quote in the book from Keith Pelly, 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:39.800 like he said, he said, if Yosa was a volleyball guy, 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.639 they'd be building volleyball arenas and creating volleyball super leagues 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.720 and trying to host volleyball World Championships. It's like a 0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.320 great blessing to every stakeholder that he loves golf so much. 0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:53.080 Yeah, yeah, interesting, Well all right, let's let's get back 0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.280 to the golf course here for a second. Yeah, as 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:58.520 it relates to live Phil top ten no top ten this. 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:02.000 Week, I mean these are the grasses he grew up on. 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:09.440 This is he's a southern California guy. I mean, that's 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:12.680 a tough one I would if I had. If it's 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:16.199 binary like that, I'll say top ten. Because there's he's 0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:18.960 the energy he had on Sunday Augusta. It was like 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.160 he got his life back, he got his mojo back. 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:23.480 All of a sudden, he was Phil Mickelson again. That's 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:27.080 powerful and this is his chance to do it all 0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.239 over again. I think This is gonna be much more 0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:31.520 of a short game test than a traditional US Open, 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:37.080 you know, So it's these it's gonna be It's gonna 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:39.760 be fun to watch Phil out here. I think I 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.320 think he wants it so bad. Like you talk about 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:45.920 who's walks in the gate here dying to win this tournament. 0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.160 Some guys are just hoping to play well. Some are 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.760 already already choking in the parking lot. Like Johnny Miller 0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:53.000 used to say, Phil is here to win this mofo. 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.360 He wants it so bad. So we'll see if his 0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.360 game shows up. But if I would say top ten, 0:28:59.360 --> 0:28:59.960 what about. 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:03.120 You, well, if he topped tens, he can contend, you know, 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.680 does they really want to go crazy about it? It 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:11.760 is most likely his last best chance to become one 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:13.760 of the guys is one of the Curry Grand Slam. 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:14.240 Yeah. 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.240 I don't think you've got to drive it very straight here, 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.560 h You maybe have to put irons in play here. 0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:23.240 If it's breezy like this and the frairies are fast, 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:24.440 I don't think guys are going to hit a lot 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.120 of driver. And he's still he pitches the ball graat 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.800 and he sometimes can put well it wouldn't shock me 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:33.240 to see him contend at all, actually, based on how 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:35.000 well he played Augusta National. 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:39.280 I mean, I you can debate a lot of things 0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:44.080 about how the landscape has changed, but Phil was right, 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:46.520 Like he called all this stuff a long time ago. 0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:52.240 He's advocated for it. Yeah and sing you what's up, Paul? 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.360 Get here, come on in here. We need professional help, 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:03.280 my exactly temporary. Why he looks ten years younger than I, 0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:07.160 I do not know, my man? How are you have 0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:08.840 you played this course much over the years? 0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:12.200 Yeah? I know the course reasonably well. It's a real 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.400 tricky course, you know. And a couple of players think 0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:19.080 that there's going to be some complaining good play slow. 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:21.880 Well, you know, the. 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.480 USGA, they set it up for themselves. They want to 0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:27.040 set it up the way they want to do it, 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.280 and they'll do it. They're not trying to make that. 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.280 I hope they don't try to make the players happy, 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:32.440 because that wouldn't be right. 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:33.200 That wouldn't be them. 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.040 It wouldn't be them. So it's it's I'm really looking 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:37.960 forward to it. There's gonna be a lot of decisions 0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:40.280 that need to be made off the tee. I feel 0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:42.360 like and you know. I was just out there on 0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.000 number six. It's a real tricky hole. You know, you 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:47.760 can go for it. It's a short hole. And I 0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.240 watched John Wood on Golf Channel this morning do a 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:52.640 nice about a six minute segment on that hole, on 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:54.600 how to play the whole. I got out there this 0:30:54.680 --> 0:31:00.800 afternoon and three caddies were out there. Tom Kim's Joey 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.560 was out there, and home Ass caddy was out there, 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.320 and Xander Softlei's caddy, and they were on the cell 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:08.680 phone and one was on the tee, the other was 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:10.520 down there by the green and they were throwing up 0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:12.720 models and trying to see each other on the line 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:14.480 and all this stuff. This is how hard they work 0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:16.400 to get ready for what they're trying to do today 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.800 or this week, and they were really trying to figure 0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:21.000 out how to play that hole. 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:22.920 This is a strategic course. 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:26.560 The local caddies could probably tell these guys they should 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.200 hire a local caddy, I feel like, and let them 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.360 go around with the players. That would be wise. I 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:33.800 don't know if anybody's thought about it. 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:36.200 Yeah, I do not think you're gonna see guys hit 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.200 a lot of driver. If it says dry like this, 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.400 if the sun says out, the bakes out, why would 0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:41.120 you hit driver here? 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.080 I don't know that they have to hit driver, but 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.880 it feels wide to them. You know, the fairways aren't 0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:49.720 as wide as they look, maybe, but it feels wide 0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:50.840 to them. 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:51.720 They may hit driver. 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.800 I've heard everything from you know, they're gonna hit every 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:55.440 club in the bag. 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:56.640 I feel like, you know. 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:58.680 I talked to Gil Hans the other day on the phone, 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.760 Dan Hicks and I with Gil Capps. He put the 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:05.479 call together and we got a real inside scoop on 0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:08.760 how gil Hans wants this course to be and how 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.200 he wants it to play. And uh, you know the 0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:15.160 goal is you know again, it's like the USGA mantra, 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:18.440 not to embarrass these guys, but to really identify him 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.400 who's the best. And it's the kind of property that 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.720 can do it. George Thomas is gil Hans's favorite architect, 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:29.560 you know. And it's a masterpiece, you know. But a 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:32.200 couple guys I think might explode and get all irritated 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:32.840 about it. Yeah. 0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:35.600 Well, when you're in LA, how often you get mistaken 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:36.800 for Dennis Quaid? 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:38.520 Never yet? 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.800 That is now, of course, when I ask Nick Valdohoefn 0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.520 he gets mistaken for Harrison forty says oh all the time. 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:48.160 Oh, of course, he would say that. 0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:53.440 I could see what was your best US Open finish? 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:57.320 Well, let's see, I probably Baltis Rawle. I had really 0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:01.120 some nice chances. I lost by three of Brookline. When 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:05.080 Curtis won. I had a couple of weeks your Jansen won. 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.920 I had a really good chance. I had a couple 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.800 three chances, but it just didn't happen for me. You know. 0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:13.960 It was one of those things. Usually putting was always 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:14.640 my issue. 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:18.880 Yeah, well, would you think is a good score this week? 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:19.560 Yeah? 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:19.959 I did. 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.520 Yeah, it's a good score. It's a great score. Actually, 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.080 it's a great score. Two eighty is probably going to 0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:26.680 be a winner. 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:28.440 Well that's what Shipling says. 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:29.480 Is that four under? 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.520 Oh? Is it four under? 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:32.880 Oh? 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:33.160 I was? 0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:34.080 It was a seventy. 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.920 But you never know, Like right now we have you know, 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.360 we had fog all morning, you know, that marine layer 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.280 and it was kind of brisk. It was a little 0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.880 bit breezy and cold, and then it burned off and 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.640 got slick calmed in it and now look at. 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:47.280 It, it's cooking. 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.360 It's a it's this is a sea breeze, a standard 0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.480 sea breez. I think the guys are going to be 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:53.800 out here playing in this. You know it won't be easy. 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.440 You'll be on We'll be covering it all too on NBC. 0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:01.000 You know what you're out of you by handling LIV 0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:02.840 guys versus PJ tour gues. 0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.440 Oh on the broadcast, that's not my call. 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:08.680 I mean, the producers are going to show the shots 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.560 that need to be shown that Tommy Roy and Tommy 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.080 Randolph and the director go are going to get it 0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.960 right there. There won't be any favoritism from those guys. 0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:17.520 I don't think. 0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:20.319 Will you address the whole changing landscape of professional golf 0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:21.520 on the telecast? I hope not. 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.160 None of us know enough, But I just know I 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:30.680 feel like the players need some representation, you know, like 0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:33.839 a union. I'm not saying that, but you know, they 0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.799 need somebody that you know, obviously they're out of the loop. 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:40.399 When the when the Tour Players Association stuff was going 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:44.560 on back with with Larry Rinker and Mark Brooks and 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:47.319 those guys, what was your stance on that that was 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:49.080 a quasi union back in the day. 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:52.040 Yeah, I heard what they were saying, but I didn't 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:53.879 think it was all that necessary at the time. 0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:56.279 You didn't pay your thousand dollars dues and join it. 0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:01.200 No, I didn't join. You know, I was against what 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.560 Greg was trying to do. And back in the nineties, Arnold, 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.040 you know, everybody whatever. Arnold, you know, and Jack were 0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:09.440 all about. That's what kind of what we were all about. 0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.680 But this is just such a shock, I think to 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.000 all of our systems. We don't even know what's We 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:16.920 don't know what's coming. You know, you don't know what's coming. 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:17.840 I don't know what's coming. 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.319 Yeah, yeah, Al and I were saying earlier, and I'm 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.520 like to hear your take on it. But all the 0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.440 chaos and golf right now, it only makes the majors 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:28.440 more major. 0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:33.920 You know, I look at it like this, what an 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:37.640 interesting time to be in the sport of golf. I mean, 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:39.560 we don't even realize it, but we're on a heck 0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.200 of a run, guys, I mean, really are We're getting 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.040 to watch it all, you know, we all of us 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.840 got to watch Tiger and we got to you know, 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.799 I got to play were But you have different runs. 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:51.600 I think we all go through like ten year runs 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:55.040 at least I do that seems like I do. But 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.799 I'm on a good run right now. I'm, you know, 0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:00.920 pretty happy to be in the game off and covering it. 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.600 It's pretty exciting because nobody knows what's happening. We don't 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.600 know what's going on. It's it's I just I really 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:09.640 feel I wish the players would get somebody to represent 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:11.239 him in some capacity. 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:16.360 Yeah you know that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, Paul. 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.840 Great for you to stop with us. We appreciate it. 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.399 You have yourself a great week without Roger. I don't 0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:23.400 know who handles the wine decisions at dinner. 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:25.960 Roger was here today. It was great to see him. 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:28.080 It was great to see him. I wish that Roger 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.279 was still working in Gary too, because we love him. 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:32.560 But times everything changes. 0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:34.960 John is going to be in the house tomorrow. 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:36.319 He doesn't change. 0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:37.400 Paul does not change. 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:37.880 Timeless. 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:44.439 Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks both. 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:48.239 Yeah, who the hell was that? 0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:50.120 Yeah? 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:56.520 Yeah, he's he's holding a he's holding a yard is guide. 0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:58.719 Oh yeah, Paul. 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.160 Now, you and I don't watch a lot of golf 0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.960 on TV, but I know that, or tell people I 0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:05.680 know that are well, we're here watching it. 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:06.880 We're in person. 0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:13.040 Yeah, Hi, guys, But honest to god, people go crazy 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:17.040 about their golf announcers. I know Paul Easier, first off, 0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:18.920 he's super knowledgeable about golf. 0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:20.399 Yes, he sees a. 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.279 Shot and he describes it. Why do people have such 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.320 polarizing feelings about Paul Easier. 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:30.000 There's this weird element of golf Twitter that there's obsessed 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:33.480 with commenting on TV, Like there's an easy solution. I 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:35.399 mostly have it on mute. Yeah. 0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:40.160 Like, but even Nick Faldo he knows a lot about golf, 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.040 a lot more than you and I, and he describes shots. 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:43.399 Very very well. 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:47.480 I actually prefer Paul Johnny Miller, well, he was outstanding. 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.279 I mean, we've had a lot of good golf broadcasters 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:51.600 over the years. 0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:53.879 It's it's such a it's such an intimate thing. They're 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.640 in your living room with you, you know, like you. It's 0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:01.360 it's like they're they're a guest when he weekends a year, 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:05.000 and they follow you into the bathroom, maybe while you're 0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:05.680 eating a meal. 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:06.120 You know. 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:08.399 It's like a real relationship you have with these people, and. 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:10.719 So I generally like them, like Mackay. I've said this 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:12.839 to Mackay many times. Mackay's thing, he knows a lot 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.480 about golf. He'd see the ball in the lie and 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.319 tell you what the guy could do out of that lie. Well, 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.160 if you talk to Tom Watson, he says, the line 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:23.000 tells you everything. Yeah, the line takes the shot, including 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:24.480 the line when the ball is sitting on a team 0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:26.800 and what the wind's doing and everything else. But golf's 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:28.960 a thinking person's game. And I just think it's neat 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.040 that we've got so many former players who are well spoken. 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:35.440 You know, Phil, for the twenty minutes that he did, 0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:36.320 it was brilliant. 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:40.560 This is an underrated aspect. Phil's back, baby, Like all 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:42.239 the things that it's looked like he gave up, they 0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.160 were taken away. He could be in the tower. He 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.400 can be an honorary start at the Masters. You can 0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:47.400 be a Ryder Cup captain. 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:47.760 Huh. 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:49.239 Like if the game is going to get put back 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:52.600 together and reunified, like all the things that we thought 0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:56.239 Phil had had given up, like they're attainable again. And 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.640 Phil in the in the CBS Tower would be spectacular, 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:04.040 and so you know that was probably gonna happen. It was, 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.759 it was. It was a lost opportunity. And now he's 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:07.399 back in the mix. 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:10.959 Well, that's interesting. I mean, right now, he's still such 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:14.080 a polarizing figure, but he could, he could potentially get there. 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:15.760 We've seen bigger reclamation projects. 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:21.719 Bill, you beat me, Joe. Well, I mean, polarizing is good, 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:26.560 Like that's if you're in the entertainment business. That's I mean, 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:31.040 that's why Stephen A. Smith works. That's why you know, 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.480 Skip what's his name? Bayless works? Like, yeah, polarizing is 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:35.960 the name of the game. Like, why wouldn't you have 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.320 Phil in there? He would he would be so entertaining. 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:40.040 Some people would hate it, but it would they would 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:42.799 always be talking about it if you so obviously create 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:44.319 buzz like why not? 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:46.720 But people sometimes say to mean, what's Alan? 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:48.920 Like, you know Alan? What is Alan? Really? Like what 0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:49.520 you said? 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:53.200 He has a very unusual personality defect that he works 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:56.120 to his advantage. He does not care if people are 0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:57.000 pissed off at. 0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:01.239 I mean, yes and no, I do sort of. I 0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:04.200 enjoy the banter. I kind of enjoy the shrapital. But 0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:09.360 I'm up human, you know, like you believe I Shakespeare. 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:16.440 But I mean my my my compact is with the reader, 0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:17.640 right like that that's. 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.600 My ultimate where the same class. 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:21.560 I'm willing to put it out there, and yeah, I 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.440 get chirped at people. You know, Justin Thomas trolls me 0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:28.520 on Instagram. But if, if, if that's gonna inhibit you 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:32.880 from from saying what you believe or reporting like something 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.600 like that that you believe is really insightful, then you're 0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.040 a pussy. And she got the business Like that's the 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:42.480 equivalent of a guy who's got you know, two forty 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.680 over water into the wind on the same second hole. 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:47.239 Is he gonna try to win the tournament or is 0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:50.520 he trying to protect second place? Like, either you go forty, 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:50.960 don't And. 0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:53.640 So unless you're David Thoms, yeah, well then you lay 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:55.919 up pitch pitcher, beautifully, make the put and win. 0:40:57.640 --> 0:40:59.320 That's a that's an excellent rebuttle. 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:01.440 But well, there's more than one way to make for. 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:02.719 There's more than one way to make for. 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:06.080 The point is like, is Jake distracted by something? 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:08.560 Yeah, he's checking out the girl in the green dress. 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:12.080 I mean, Jake, clean it up, man. I will say, 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:13.799 have you noticed how much attention we're getting just by 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:17.399 holding these microphones? Like we should definitely do this down 0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:21.040 in like Abbot Kinney or a place where the where 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.040 the beautiful people are and pass out business cards like 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:25.720 it would be you'd make the week a lot more interesting, 0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:26.400 especially for me. 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:30.200 Very Well said, Uh, it's been interesting to see how 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.759 your profile has grown in the past year. I mean, 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:36.279 what's it like for you now? But Phil, the book 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:40.239 came out and suddenly your profile changed with it, And 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.160 I noticed the last year at the US Open and 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:43.800 even here today. 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.439 What's happened like for you? Yeah, I mean it's fun, 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:49.320 you know whatever. I will tell you. The thing that 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.479 that made my brain melt was I took the train 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:55.480 down from Boston last year during the US Open into 0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:58.640 New York City to have a celebratory lunch with my 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:02.560 editor and and my agent because you know, the book 0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:05.879 was on bestseller list and all that, and and then afterwards, 0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:07.600 I was walking in the East Village and I was 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.160 crossing the street like I was dressed to go out 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.280 in New York City in the East Village is not golf, 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.120 so it's not no, it's not the Upper east Side 0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:18.040 and West or west Chester, Yeah exactly. And it was 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:20.400 like I was wearing like four different golf logos and 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:22.319 I was walking across the street and some dude's like, hey, 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.080 are you allan ship? I was like, yeah, he's like 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:28.359 I love the book like that was that was weird? Yeah, 0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:30.400 that was weird. It's one thing we're standing next to 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:33.200 the tenth fairway here right at the US Open, people 0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:35.719 are going to recognize members of the golf media, but 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.000 when you're out of contact. I was even pizza in 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:42.000 the Chicago airport. Weird things like that. But you know, 0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:45.719 I mean, we're we have public facing lives. 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:49.719 So well, I think Jake probably wants to wrap this up, 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:51.319 But how do you feel about it? On would you 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.279 like to keep going? Would you like the listener to? 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:55.360 Should we release the listener? 0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.399 You're steal in my lines, you can't win the US 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:01.400 Open on Tuesday, but you can definitely lose your audience 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.360 if the podcast too long. So yeah, well we'll let 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:08.319 the We'll let our people go. But it's always fun. 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.759 Michael and well, I think the plans we're gonna do 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:16.600 one on Friday, grating halfway mark. Certainly do it Sunday. Yes, 0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:18.719 we have a winner and we can look and we. 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.279 Will have a winter on Sunday, because says all as All, No, 0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:24.080 there are no playoffs anymore in the major championships, so well, 0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:26.240 excuse me, no eighth and hole Monday playoffs? 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.120 Can we how lame? Is two holes like either be 0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:31.600 sudden death or be four holes? Two holes is like 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:36.439 is this weird? Like splitting the baby? Like, yme on, Yeah, 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.600 it is cool, though I haven't seen the closing TV window, 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:41.120 but you know they're going to push it deep on 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:43.880 Sunday because then you get the primetime East Coast audience. 0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:46.560 Like I love the idea that the US Open is 0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:48.480 live and being decided and people are watching it in 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:50.160 the dark. I don't know why that's so cool to me, 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:52.480 but it is in the United States, but I'll talk 0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:53.520 about in England. 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:56.680 Right right, So do you know that there was once 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.720 a thirty six hole playoff for the US Open back. 0:43:59.600 --> 0:43:59.960 In the day. 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:04.439 That's that's mot So that's old school USGA. They've gotten 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.720 too kinds is patchy rough two whole playoffs. 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.000 I was a little surprised by Zing because I thought 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.200 he'd be more aligned with the PJ with the U 0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:16.399 s G as your you know, your fierce of. 0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:19.600 Father and it was no. But all the players, the 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.839 players of the players, they resent the us GA. They 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.680 feel like one week of year these blue coats and 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.320 these bureaucrats like dictate to them how to play the game, 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:31.080 and half the time they screw it up. Like the 0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:35.040 anti PGA sentiment runs really deep among the players, and 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:37.920 it's only it's only becoming more exaggerated with all the 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:38.680 course screw ups. 0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.080 The last time, I think you unwillfully misspoke. You said 0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.799 the anti PJ tour, but you're you're you were looking 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:47.319 for anti USGA. I think you're right. It works both 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:48.279 ways right now. 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:52.760 Yeah, it's yeah, in this weird intersection of Tiger thinking 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.440 right now as he's listening to this podcast and Tiger, 0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:59.560 you've got myself call if you wish. But well, Patrick, mean, 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:06.040 he's so this was interesting. No, I can't say I'll 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.840 spoil something that's good in the book, but yeah, Tiger 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:12.320 is he's a little miffed. He's a little bit fuddled 0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:14.560 because one thing Tiger's not used to is being on 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.400 the outside looking in. And he got kind of hoodwinked 0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:20.040 like a lot of people in this whole deal. And 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:22.759 that's true, and he put himself out there and took 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.600 a strong stance in favor. He didn't really go down 0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:29.120 the moralistic route because he kind of probably intuitively knew 0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:33.160 that was a mistake tactically, but he went down the 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.680 route of, you know, it's not real competition, it's not 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:38.000 a meritocracy, it's not golf of the highest level. But 0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:40.520 look at what's happening with the elevated events, no cut, 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:42.960 Like the tour product was beginning to converge with the 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:45.400 live product anyway, Like Tiger had kind of lost the 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:49.759 argument as it was, so he's probably a little disenchanted. 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:51.640 Yeah, it's gonna be kind of weird for him not 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:53.719 to be the most powerful person in golf anymore, because 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.120 if you were, his tournament would be at least one 0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:57.560 hundred and twenty players with a cut. 0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:00.920 Yeah, it's still I mean, both him and Jack are 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.319 now advocating public before a cut, even if they go 0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:05.279 from like eighty to sixty, you know, which is kind 0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:09.279 of silly, but just yeah, that's still everything's up for grabs. Now, 0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:12.520 whatever we thought was gonna happen, nobody knows, Like the 0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:17.680 elevated events could get completely reconfigured. All it's all it's 0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:19.480 all up in the air now, So we'll see how 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.320 that plays out. I mean, all right, I get a 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:27.120 store or d of course, yeah, okay, thank you. I 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:29.320 love when Michael gets angry. It's good for the listeners. 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.760 All right, this is the tenth Fairway of Los Angeles 0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.480 Country Club. That's Michael Bamberger. I'm Alan ship Nook. Thanks 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.799 for listening to this Fire Drill podcast. We'll be back 0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:39.880 in your ear on Friday and on Sunday and typing 0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:43.320 in between, so thanks for listening. That's the end. 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:50.400 I'm Ben Big and I played the wind, made a 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:52.360 fortune when my shit game and. 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:56.920 Ran the table and never thought I could fall. Then 0:46:57.040 --> 0:47:03.400 the win hit me lack a canon, and now I 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:08.480 can't shake this losing streak. Every road I take is 0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:09.680 a dead hand street. 0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:15.399 I got thoughts in my head, can't get them out, 0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:19.879 trying not to think what I'm thinking about. I've got 0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:24.200 thoughts in my head. I can't get them out, trying 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:26.840 not to think what I'm thinking about.