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Speaker 1: What is Tiger thinking right now as he's listening to

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Speaker 1: this podcast? And Tiger, You've got myself call if you wish.

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Speaker 2: But he's a little miffed. He's a little bit fuddled

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Speaker 2: because one thing Tiger's not used to is being on

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Speaker 2: the outside looking in.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be kind of weird for him not to

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Speaker 1: be the most powerful person in golf anymore.

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Speaker 2: I got daughts.

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Speaker 3: Can't get him join, not the thing what I'm thinking about. Counts,

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Speaker 3: can't get him out join, Not the thing what I'm

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Speaker 3: thinking about.

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Speaker 2: Hello, this is alan Ship. Like the Backgrother Fire Drill

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Speaker 2: podcast with Michael Bamberger a year ago.

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Speaker 1: On this occasion, we were at Brookline. Yes, if we

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Speaker 1: were a three headed monster, then well, we have a

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Speaker 1: live studio audience. We're in front of some sort of

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Speaker 1: drunken beer.

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Speaker 2: They're getting rowdy up here, and we've got the Hollywood

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Speaker 2: Hills behind us, We've got glorious Southern California sunshine.

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Speaker 1: Like they don't even get rowdy at Dodger Games. How

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Speaker 1: could they get rowdy on the Tuesday of a US

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Speaker 1: Open LA Country Club.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I exaggerated, I'm pro hyperbole, Michael, but uh, we're here,

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Speaker 2: what we are here? How great is the light?

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Speaker 1: Whoever came up with the concept of the West Coast

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Speaker 1: Open new it he or she or they were talking

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Speaker 2: It's the best. It was your friend Sandy Tatum.

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Speaker 1: I believe no, because Hogan played in one forty eight.

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Speaker 1: Lest we forget Yeah, at Riviera, we all know that. Alan,

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Speaker 1: You're you lived in these parts for a long time.

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Speaker 1: You went to college over the hill here at UCLA

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Speaker 1: right over here. You know the Riviera course, Well you

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Speaker 4: Do you know?

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Speaker 2: Have you been here before? I have?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you if you were the czar of the USGA,

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Speaker 1: National Open, Rivier or La North.

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Speaker 2: Which would it be? And why? Excellent question? I mean

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Speaker 2: I would say La North because I'm not a huge

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Speaker 2: fan of having the majors at courses that already host

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Speaker 2: a tour event. It's not a special I mean, we

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Speaker 2: know riv intimately. It has its own history through the

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Speaker 2: LA Open. You know the PGA. The Elkington one was

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Speaker 2: kind of weird and nobody turned out for and the

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Speaker 2: greens were wonky, like everyone's. Rivier is special for what

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Speaker 2: it is, but this is a grander stage. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I love Rivie A's a golf course, but it's a

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Speaker 2: very tight little bandbox and you come out here. Just

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Speaker 2: the scale of the US Open is incredible. I mean

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Speaker 2: we were talking about this off mic, but like Oak

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Speaker 2: it could have been a tour vent on some level.

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Speaker 2: You get here and it's just the build out and

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Speaker 2: the energy and the crowd, and this is a cool setting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've got the buildings of you can see

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Speaker 2: I'm driving up here, I felt it like I was

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Speaker 2: I don't spend a lot of time in La anymore,

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Speaker 2: But like, wow, I'm going to make a left turn

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Speaker 1: Hey as well. This is the third major being played

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Speaker 1: in the city limits so far this year. Augusta's in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles itself. It's absolutely astounding. I mean there were

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Speaker 1: for those who don't know, there were thirty six holes here.

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Speaker 1: It's as Alan was indicating, it's a big piece of property.

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Speaker 1: It would be worth billions and millions of dollars, so

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Speaker 1: that geologists come to this golf course to study what Angeles,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then there's just this expanse and it's just

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Speaker 1: You know, Chambers Bay would probably be the closest thing

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Speaker 1: wasn't joking. I said it's like Pine Valley meets Augustin National.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's on a tree line golf course. It

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Speaker 1: puts I don't think it puts really that much for

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Speaker 1: But regardless, it's a spectacular setting. Yeah for US Open

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Speaker 2: I mean, are any courses tree lined anymore?

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Speaker 1: Ok So the Oakland, you know, oak Hill was a

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Speaker 2: that was claustrophobic and tight, right, And there was a

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Speaker 2: So the whole, the whole palette of golf has changed

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Speaker 2: it's definitely gonna be tough. And everyone's seen the videos

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Speaker 1: Are you saying two eighty is gonna win or playoff?

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Speaker 1: Well, I beg to different I think it'll be much lower.

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Speaker 2: and the sun is out. It's been they've had all

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Speaker 2: so this place can get crispy. Yeah, I'm pre your

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Speaker 1: And we should know. It's breezy, and you know when

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Speaker 2: More than six Well, I didn't you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: No, you're more like green wind diagnostic, if that's a phrase.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But anyway, Yeah, I know we have been talking

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Speaker 1: It gets getting lost actually, uh, And I mean people

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Speaker 1: have been saying this, and it is true. People who

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Speaker 2: No. I mean, did you hear Brooks at his press

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Speaker 2: conference today at the end, see you guys in hard

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Speaker 1: I mean, now, interpret that for me. I really didn't

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Speaker 2: The first thing, you know was Brooks is an absolute

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Speaker 2: they're gonna try to reunify the game. If you're the

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Speaker 2: tournament director at Hartford, do you want brooks Kopka the

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Speaker 2: most dominant player in golf? Hell yeah? So maybe they

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Speaker 2: gave him a sponsors exemption, Like I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're showing up as a spectator. You can't even

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Speaker 1: come to a player's meeting. There's no way.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was no way a week ago. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Things are moving very.

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Speaker 1: Quickly, and maybe maybe someone paying him two million dollars

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Speaker 2: It could be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, he's definitely not in the field.

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Speaker 1: He's on the suspended list. How How what was mont

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Speaker 2: Well, the whole idea that they're gonna they're gonna hit

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Speaker 2: that's not really any way to unify the sport, Like

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Speaker 2: retribution and vengeance is not a good start if you're

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Speaker 2: trying to bring the game back together. So I think

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Speaker 2: that was bluster. I think that was posturing. I think

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Speaker 2: the reality is that if you're trying to build a

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Speaker 2: not the way to do it. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: Monahan was trying to quiet his angry membership. He was

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Speaker 2: trying to put a little spin on it. But when

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Speaker 2: the rubber meets the road, the tour needs these guys,

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Speaker 2: I mean, they just do. I mean, Brooks is the

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Speaker 2: most dominant player in golf all of a sudden, and

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Speaker 2: do they want to scare them away assuming that the

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Speaker 2: Dustin Johnson saying that you heard that right from Yasser, Like,

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Speaker 2: of money, they're having fun with this team element. If

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Speaker 2: the morning Monday, like, I slept in, I took a bath,

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Speaker 2: I took a nap. I've never felt so relaxed and

434
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Speaker 2: happy in my life. And then Tuesday morning, the world

435
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,400
Speaker 2: was on fire. But when you turn into a book,

436
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 2: it's not the end of the process. It's the beginning

437
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 2: of a whole new process. Right, the editor gets the

438
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,399
Speaker 2: first pass. They have some big picture things you can

439
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 2: incorporate or you ignore, you fight about, and then it

440
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: goes to the copyetter, who's like the world's most uptight

441
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 2: you know, English teacher, anyone's ever had, They fuss over

442
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 2: every comma. There's a legal review like all that takes

443
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 2: six to eight weeks at least. Then the book comes

444
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 2: back to you and you can keep massaging it. So

445
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 2: I was always going to update it, probably through the

446
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 2: British Open and if there was a judication of the

447
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 2: world ranking and all this stuff. So I have time

448
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 2: and I'm reporting the story. I'm feverishly reworking the last chapters,

449
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 2: adding new material, going through in massaging passages, amplifying things

450
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,239
Speaker 2: that we now know or turn out to be more

451
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Speaker 2: significant than we thought. And so it's cool that people said.

452
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 2: A few people had said to me, you know, well,

453
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Speaker 2: why put the book out now? We don't know how

454
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Speaker 2: the story ends, you know, And I was like, well,

455
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 2: we don't exactly know the ending, but we just we

456
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 2: just a huge plot to us has been revealed and

457
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 2: it's cool. So the whole thing is in one tidy package.

458
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 2: And if this news had broken in a month or

459
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: two months now, I would have been crush because the

460
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Speaker 2: books that say two months, the books at the printers,

461
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: they are no getting it back and would have felt dated.

462
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 2: So now it's going to be up to the minute.

463
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 2: And actually our jophy and our friends are are having

464
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Speaker 2: meetings like right now about moving the release date up

465
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Speaker 2: two or three weeks, which is a lot, bring it

466
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Speaker 2: to what early early to mid October, so the Halloween

467
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 2: just just to ride this wave and it's all anyone's

468
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 2: talking about, so why not? So yeah, I'm game. I mean,

469
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Speaker 2: this is an intense week for me because I'm I

470
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Speaker 2: have to get all the changes done and we're here

471
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Speaker 2: to cover the national Championship. But it's all good. I mean, yes,

472
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Speaker 2: I think.

473
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Speaker 1: That book is more even handed than you might realize.

474
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

475
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was going to ask you that, like

476
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Speaker 1: in your mind, do you think it sort of bends

477
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: over backwards to let the live story be told because

478
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 1: the PGA tour has been sold by a very powerful

479
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: pr machine for decades, yes, and the live people are

480
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: new to it and then you don't have a powerful

481
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Speaker 1: pr mission that's been around for decades, so you might

482
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Speaker 1: have thought, oh, it's incumbent upon me to show this

483
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: other story. But I read it as a very balanced

484
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Speaker 1: piece of reporting.

485
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. That was my intention. I mean, i'd

486
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 2: say my idea balance is to be critical of both

487
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Speaker 2: sides and to celebrate celebrate both sides when they do

488
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Speaker 2: something right. And that was you know, I kind of

489
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: I think it swings back and forth where passages feel

490
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Speaker 2: pro live, passages feel pro tour, passages are super critical

491
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Speaker 2: of one person or one entity, and it just toggles

492
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: back and forth. So it wasn't It's like a double dog.

493
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Speaker 2: It's not a dead straight hole where I'm just trying

494
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Speaker 2: to hit it straight every time, like I'm really, I'm

495
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: trying to tack both directions and that that's anyone who

496
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: plays golf knows it's more interesting that way. So but

497
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and that was always my intention. It's

498
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Speaker 2: it's been interesting in you know, the stories that I've

499
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: I've typed in the podcast we've done since the news

500
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Speaker 2: broke a week ago. Some people have been they've detected, Oh,

501
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 2: you're suddenly pro live it's like, well, it's more like

502
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: mon Hands out there talking, Jimmy Dunn's out there talking.

503
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: It all happened at a tour event. All the tour

504
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: guys are talking, Rory is talking. You know, Live didn't

505
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: have this platform, like, and the only guy who's not

506
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: talking is Yaser because he doesn't have to talk. His

507
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: money's loud enough. And so I felt like, well, then

508
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 2: I was advocating for Li's point of view. I was

509
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Speaker 2: explaining it, and I was trying to help. My roleness

510
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 2: is to help people make sense of all this because

511
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: so much has happened in the shadows. It's been so

512
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: secretive this and it's it's so complex and nuanced, and

513
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: so I feel like I'm a tour guide through this,

514
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Speaker 2: this this maze in some ways, and so I've been

515
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Speaker 2: interested there. It's like, oh, you're pro Live. It's like no,

516
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: but I've been talking to Live people for a year

517
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: and I can get him on the phone and I

518
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: understand where they're coming from. But I was also talking

519
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: to tour executive, tour players, tour agents, like I've really

520
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: just tried to explain what's happening, but there's been there

521
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: was so much coming out. It's like if you're listening

522
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: to headphones, you know, and on one year has got

523
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: the tour and the other live. The side coming bringing

524
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: that the tour spin was a hell of a lot louder,

525
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Speaker 2: and I feel like the whole debate needs more balance.

526
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Speaker 1: Right right, What is your personal feelings about yes here,

527
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: you've met him at least on one occasion, right.

528
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, we had a quick chat. Actually a dead minister,

529
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: he's and I've talked to a lot of people about him.

530
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Speaker 2: He's a very measured he's very careful, very soft spoken,

531
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Speaker 2: and impressive in the energy he projects. He's not He's

532
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Speaker 2: not a Greg Norman, who's who's loud and abrasive. He's

533
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: not even a j Monaghan. You know, this hockey kid

534
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: from Boston and the chip on his shoulder. He feels

535
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Speaker 2: like a diplomat. He dresses like a diplomat.

536
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Speaker 5: You know.

537
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: I'm sure all this stuff is made on a Seville

538
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: road and he carries himself like that. It's impressive. And

539
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: I thought even the interview he did with Monahan was

540
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Speaker 2: interesting because he was very deferential to Jay. He took

541
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Speaker 2: the backsheat literally, Yeah, he let Jay do Moosa talk

542
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: in there was no clothing, there was no victory lap,

543
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: there was no sense that I just bought you. And

544
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: you know, if you'd put Norman on that stage, it

545
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: would have been very different. There's the reason why why

546
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: why Yasir has become the guy, because he always was

547
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. I mean, he's always been the shot callar.

548
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: This has been his baby. He's nurtured it, he's been

549
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: he's micromanaged it, he's refereed every dispute, like he's been

550
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: more involved than anyone really understands. But I thought it

551
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: was impressive the way and as we talked about a

552
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: minute ago, he's dropped out of site. He's not out

553
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 2: there chirping, you know, Like you know Jimmy Dunn, well

554
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: we all everyone in the golf world knows Jimmy Dunn,

555
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: and he's an impressive individual. But like for him to

556
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: go on the on the Golf channel and talk about

557
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: like killing nine to eleven dudes with his bare hands,

558
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 2: like that was sort of wildly inappropriate. And they obviously

559
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: he's gone underground since then, Like no one's heard a

560
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: peep really from Jimmy Dunn since that. Like, you know,

561
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: y also would never make that mistake. He's never gonna

562
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: get caught up in the moment. Like he's just a

563
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: very careful Yeah, he parcels out every word very judiciously,

564
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 2: and so he's the right guy for this moment, like

565
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: cooler heads needed to prevail. It's not Jimmy Dunn, it's

566
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: probably not Ja mo Han, It's definitely not Greg Norman,

567
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 2: but it certainly is him.

568
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Speaker 1: What do you think his relationship with MBS is, Like.

569
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Speaker 2: Well, they're close friends and confidants, Like, you know, he's.

570
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: Do you think you get him on the phone and

571
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: he Jommy wants him?

572
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, Yeah. I mean to run to run the

573
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: Public Investment Fund makes you one of the most powerful

574
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Speaker 2: people in the world. To run a Ramco, which is

575
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: the most profitable corporation on the planet, makes you one

576
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 2: of the most powerful people in the world when the

577
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: same guy does both. Like that's absolute power.

578
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: Multiplier effect there, Yes, in calculable.

579
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's your top five.

580
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: It's it's probably Biden, it might it might be uh Putin,

581
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 2: I mean you probably the NBS is there in Yosser,

582
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, it's like that's it like that

583
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: those are the people who are moving all the pieces

584
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: on the chess board. And so yeah, he's the fact

585
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: that he loves golf so much is a big deal.

586
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: Because there's a funny quote in the book from Keith Pelly,

587
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: like he said, he said, if Yosa was a volleyball guy,

588
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: they'd be building volleyball arenas and creating volleyball super leagues

589
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: and trying to host volleyball World Championships. It's like a

590
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: great blessing to every stakeholder that he loves golf so much.

591
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, interesting, Well all right, let's let's get back

592
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: to the golf course here for a second. Yeah, as

593
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: it relates to live Phil top ten no top ten this.

594
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: Week, I mean these are the grasses he grew up on.

595
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: This is he's a southern California guy. I mean, that's

596
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: a tough one I would if I had. If it's

597
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: binary like that, I'll say top ten. Because there's he's

598
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: the energy he had on Sunday Augusta. It was like

599
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: he got his life back, he got his mojo back.

600
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he was Phil Mickelson again. That's

601
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: powerful and this is his chance to do it all

602
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,239
Speaker 2: over again. I think This is gonna be much more

603
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: of a short game test than a traditional US Open,

604
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: you know, So it's these it's gonna be It's gonna

605
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: be fun to watch Phil out here. I think I

606
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: think he wants it so bad. Like you talk about

607
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: who's walks in the gate here dying to win this tournament.

608
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: Some guys are just hoping to play well. Some are

609
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: already already choking in the parking lot. Like Johnny Miller

610
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: used to say, Phil is here to win this mofo.

611
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: He wants it so bad. So we'll see if his

612
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: game shows up. But if I would say top ten,

613
00:28:59,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: what about.

614
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: You, well, if he topped tens, he can contend, you know,

615
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: does they really want to go crazy about it? It

616
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: is most likely his last best chance to become one

617
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: of the guys is one of the Curry Grand Slam.

618
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

619
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: I don't think you've got to drive it very straight here,

620
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: h You maybe have to put irons in play here.

621
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: If it's breezy like this and the frairies are fast,

622
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: I don't think guys are going to hit a lot

623
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: of driver. And he's still he pitches the ball graat

624
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: and he sometimes can put well it wouldn't shock me

625
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: to see him contend at all, actually, based on how

626
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: well he played Augusta National.

627
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I you can debate a lot of things

628
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: about how the landscape has changed, but Phil was right,

629
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: Like he called all this stuff a long time ago.

630
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: He's advocated for it. Yeah and sing you what's up, Paul?

631
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: Get here, come on in here. We need professional help,

632
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: my exactly temporary. Why he looks ten years younger than I,

633
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: I do not know, my man? How are you have

634
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: you played this course much over the years?

635
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: Yeah? I know the course reasonably well. It's a real

636
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: tricky course, you know. And a couple of players think

637
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 4: that there's going to be some complaining good play slow.

638
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the.

639
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: USGA, they set it up for themselves. They want to

640
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 4: set it up the way they want to do it,

641
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 4: and they'll do it. They're not trying to make that.

642
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: I hope they don't try to make the players happy,

643
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 4: because that wouldn't be right.

644
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: That wouldn't be them.

645
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 4: It wouldn't be them. So it's it's I'm really looking

646
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: forward to it. There's gonna be a lot of decisions

647
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 4: that need to be made off the tee. I feel

648
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: like and you know. I was just out there on

649
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: number six. It's a real tricky hole. You know, you

650
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: can go for it. It's a short hole. And I

651
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: watched John Wood on Golf Channel this morning do a

652
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: nice about a six minute segment on that hole, on

653
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 4: how to play the whole. I got out there this

654
00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: afternoon and three caddies were out there. Tom Kim's Joey

655
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 4: was out there, and home Ass caddy was out there,

656
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: and Xander Softlei's caddy, and they were on the cell

657
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 4: phone and one was on the tee, the other was

658
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 4: down there by the green and they were throwing up

659
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: models and trying to see each other on the line

660
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: and all this stuff. This is how hard they work

661
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 4: to get ready for what they're trying to do today

662
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 4: or this week, and they were really trying to figure

663
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: out how to play that hole.

664
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: This is a strategic course.

665
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: The local caddies could probably tell these guys they should

666
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: hire a local caddy, I feel like, and let them

667
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: go around with the players. That would be wise. I

668
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 4: don't know if anybody's thought about it.

669
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do not think you're gonna see guys hit

670
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: a lot of driver. If it says dry like this,

671
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: if the sun says out, the bakes out, why would

672
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: you hit driver here?

673
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: I don't know that they have to hit driver, but

674
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 4: it feels wide to them. You know, the fairways aren't

675
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 4: as wide as they look, maybe, but it feels wide

676
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: to them.

677
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: They may hit driver.

678
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 4: I've heard everything from you know, they're gonna hit every

679
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: club in the bag.

680
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know.

681
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: I talked to Gil Hans the other day on the phone,

682
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 4: Dan Hicks and I with Gil Capps. He put the

683
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 4: call together and we got a real inside scoop on

684
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 4: how gil Hans wants this course to be and how

685
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: he wants it to play. And uh, you know the

686
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: goal is you know again, it's like the USGA mantra,

687
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 4: not to embarrass these guys, but to really identify him

688
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 4: who's the best. And it's the kind of property that

689
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 4: can do it. George Thomas is gil Hans's favorite architect,

690
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 4: you know. And it's a masterpiece, you know. But a

691
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 4: couple guys I think might explode and get all irritated

692
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: about it. Yeah.

693
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: Well, when you're in LA, how often you get mistaken

694
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: for Dennis Quaid?

695
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: Never yet?

696
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: That is now, of course, when I ask Nick Valdohoefn

697
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: he gets mistaken for Harrison forty says oh all the time.

698
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: Oh, of course, he would say that.

699
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: I could see what was your best US Open finish?

700
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: Well, let's see, I probably Baltis Rawle. I had really

701
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: some nice chances. I lost by three of Brookline. When

702
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: Curtis won. I had a couple of weeks your Jansen won.

703
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: I had a really good chance. I had a couple

704
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: three chances, but it just didn't happen for me. You know.

705
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: It was one of those things. Usually putting was always

706
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: my issue.

707
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, would you think is a good score this week?

708
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

709
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 2: I did.

710
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good score. It's a great score. Actually,

711
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: it's a great score. Two eighty is probably going to

712
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 4: be a winner.

713
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: Well that's what Shipling says.

714
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: Is that four under?

715
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: Oh? Is it four under?

716
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: Oh?

717
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: I was?

718
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: It was a seventy.

719
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: But you never know, Like right now we have you know,

720
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: we had fog all morning, you know, that marine layer

721
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: and it was kind of brisk. It was a little

722
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: bit breezy and cold, and then it burned off and

723
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 4: got slick calmed in it and now look at.

724
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: It, it's cooking.

725
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: It's a it's this is a sea breeze, a standard

726
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: sea breez. I think the guys are going to be

727
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: out here playing in this. You know it won't be easy.

728
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 4: You'll be on We'll be covering it all too on NBC.

729
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: You know what you're out of you by handling LIV

730
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: guys versus PJ tour gues.

731
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: Oh on the broadcast, that's not my call.

732
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 4: I mean, the producers are going to show the shots

733
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 4: that need to be shown that Tommy Roy and Tommy

734
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 4: Randolph and the director go are going to get it

735
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: right there. There won't be any favoritism from those guys.

736
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: I don't think.

737
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: Will you address the whole changing landscape of professional golf

738
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: on the telecast? I hope not.

739
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 4: None of us know enough, But I just know I

740
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: feel like the players need some representation, you know, like

741
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 4: a union. I'm not saying that, but you know, they

742
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 4: need somebody that you know, obviously they're out of the loop.

743
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 2: When the when the Tour Players Association stuff was going

744
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: on back with with Larry Rinker and Mark Brooks and

745
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: those guys, what was your stance on that that was

746
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: a quasi union back in the day.

747
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard what they were saying, but I didn't

748
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 4: think it was all that necessary at the time.

749
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: You didn't pay your thousand dollars dues and join it.

750
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: No, I didn't join. You know, I was against what

751
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: Greg was trying to do. And back in the nineties, Arnold,

752
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 4: you know, everybody whatever. Arnold, you know, and Jack were

753
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 4: all about. That's what kind of what we were all about.

754
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 4: But this is just such a shock, I think to

755
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 4: all of our systems. We don't even know what's We

756
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: don't know what's coming. You know, you don't know what's coming.

757
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 4: I don't know what's coming.

758
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Al and I were saying earlier, and I'm

759
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: like to hear your take on it. But all the

760
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: chaos and golf right now, it only makes the majors

761
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: more major.

762
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 4: You know, I look at it like this, what an

763
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 4: interesting time to be in the sport of golf. I mean,

764
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: we don't even realize it, but we're on a heck

765
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: of a run, guys, I mean, really are We're getting

766
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: to watch it all, you know, we all of us

767
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 4: got to watch Tiger and we got to you know,

768
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 4: I got to play were But you have different runs.

769
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: I think we all go through like ten year runs

770
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: at least I do that seems like I do. But

771
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 4: I'm on a good run right now. I'm, you know,

772
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: pretty happy to be in the game off and covering it.

773
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 4: It's pretty exciting because nobody knows what's happening. We don't

774
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 4: know what's going on. It's it's I just I really

775
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: feel I wish the players would get somebody to represent

776
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 4: him in some capacity.

777
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah you know that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, Paul.

778
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: Great for you to stop with us. We appreciate it.

779
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: You have yourself a great week without Roger. I don't

780
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: know who handles the wine decisions at dinner.

781
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 4: Roger was here today. It was great to see him.

782
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 4: It was great to see him. I wish that Roger

783
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 4: was still working in Gary too, because we love him.

784
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: But times everything changes.

785
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: John is going to be in the house tomorrow.

786
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: He doesn't change.

787
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: Paul does not change.

788
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: Timeless.

789
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks both.

790
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, who the hell was that?

791
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

792
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's holding a he's holding a yard is guide.

793
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Paul.

794
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Now, you and I don't watch a lot of golf

795
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: on TV, but I know that, or tell people I

796
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: know that are well, we're here watching it.

797
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: We're in person.

798
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hi, guys, But honest to god, people go crazy

799
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: about their golf announcers. I know Paul Easier, first off,

800
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: he's super knowledgeable about golf.

801
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 2: Yes, he sees a.

802
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: Shot and he describes it. Why do people have such

803
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: polarizing feelings about Paul Easier.

804
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: There's this weird element of golf Twitter that there's obsessed

805
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: with commenting on TV, Like there's an easy solution. I

806
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: mostly have it on mute. Yeah.

807
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: Like, but even Nick Faldo he knows a lot about golf,

808
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: a lot more than you and I, and he describes shots.

809
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 2: Very very well.

810
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: I actually prefer Paul Johnny Miller, well, he was outstanding.

811
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: I mean, we've had a lot of good golf broadcasters

812
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: over the years.

813
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 2: It's it's such a it's such an intimate thing. They're

814
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: in your living room with you, you know, like you. It's

815
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: it's like they're they're a guest when he weekends a year,

816
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: and they follow you into the bathroom, maybe while you're

817
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: eating a meal.

818
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: You know.

819
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 2: It's like a real relationship you have with these people, and.

820
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: So I generally like them, like Mackay. I've said this

821
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: to Mackay many times. Mackay's thing, he knows a lot

822
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: about golf. He'd see the ball in the lie and

823
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: tell you what the guy could do out of that lie. Well,

824
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: if you talk to Tom Watson, he says, the line

825
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: tells you everything. Yeah, the line takes the shot, including

826
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: the line when the ball is sitting on a team

827
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: and what the wind's doing and everything else. But golf's

828
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: a thinking person's game. And I just think it's neat

829
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: that we've got so many former players who are well spoken.

830
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: You know, Phil, for the twenty minutes that he did,

831
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: it was brilliant.

832
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: This is an underrated aspect. Phil's back, baby, Like all

833
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: the things that it's looked like he gave up, they

834
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: were taken away. He could be in the tower. He

835
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: can be an honorary start at the Masters. You can

836
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: be a Ryder Cup captain.

837
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 4: Huh.

838
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: Like if the game is going to get put back

839
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: together and reunified, like all the things that we thought

840
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: Phil had had given up, like they're attainable again. And

841
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: Phil in the in the CBS Tower would be spectacular,

842
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: and so you know that was probably gonna happen. It was,

843
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: it was. It was a lost opportunity. And now he's

844
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: back in the mix.

845
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting. I mean, right now, he's still such

846
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: a polarizing figure, but he could, he could potentially get there.

847
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: We've seen bigger reclamation projects.

848
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: Bill, you beat me, Joe. Well, I mean, polarizing is good,

849
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: Like that's if you're in the entertainment business. That's I mean,

850
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: that's why Stephen A. Smith works. That's why you know,

851
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: Skip what's his name? Bayless works? Like, yeah, polarizing is

852
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: the name of the game. Like, why wouldn't you have

853
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: Phil in there? He would he would be so entertaining.

854
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: Some people would hate it, but it would they would

855
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: always be talking about it if you so obviously create

856
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: buzz like why not?

857
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: But people sometimes say to mean, what's Alan?

858
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: Like, you know Alan? What is Alan? Really? Like what

859
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: you said?

860
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: He has a very unusual personality defect that he works

861
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: to his advantage. He does not care if people are

862
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: pissed off at.

863
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: I mean, yes and no, I do sort of. I

864
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: enjoy the banter. I kind of enjoy the shrapital. But

865
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: I'm up human, you know, like you believe I Shakespeare.

866
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: But I mean my my my compact is with the reader,

867
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: right like that that's.

868
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: My ultimate where the same class.

869
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: I'm willing to put it out there, and yeah, I

870
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: get chirped at people. You know, Justin Thomas trolls me

871
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: on Instagram. But if, if, if that's gonna inhibit you

872
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: from from saying what you believe or reporting like something

873
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: like that that you believe is really insightful, then you're

874
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: a pussy. And she got the business Like that's the

875
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: equivalent of a guy who's got you know, two forty

876
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: over water into the wind on the same second hole.

877
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: Is he gonna try to win the tournament or is

878
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: he trying to protect second place? Like, either you go forty,

879
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: don't And.

880
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: So unless you're David Thoms, yeah, well then you lay

881
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: up pitch pitcher, beautifully, make the put and win.

882
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: That's a that's an excellent rebuttle.

883
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: But well, there's more than one way to make for.

884
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: There's more than one way to make for.

885
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: The point is like, is Jake distracted by something?

886
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's checking out the girl in the green dress.

887
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Jake, clean it up, man. I will say,

888
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: have you noticed how much attention we're getting just by

889
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: holding these microphones? Like we should definitely do this down

890
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: in like Abbot Kinney or a place where the where

891
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: the beautiful people are and pass out business cards like

892
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 2: it would be you'd make the week a lot more interesting,

893
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: especially for me.

894
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: Very Well said, Uh, it's been interesting to see how

895
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: your profile has grown in the past year. I mean,

896
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: what's it like for you now? But Phil, the book

897
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: came out and suddenly your profile changed with it, And

898
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: I noticed the last year at the US Open and

899
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: even here today.

900
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 2: What's happened like for you? Yeah, I mean it's fun,

901
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 2: you know whatever. I will tell you. The thing that

902
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 2: that made my brain melt was I took the train

903
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: down from Boston last year during the US Open into

904
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: New York City to have a celebratory lunch with my

905
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: editor and and my agent because you know, the book

906
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 2: was on bestseller list and all that, and and then afterwards,

907
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: I was walking in the East Village and I was

908
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: crossing the street like I was dressed to go out

909
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 2: in New York City in the East Village is not golf,

910
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: so it's not no, it's not the Upper east Side

911
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: and West or west Chester, Yeah exactly. And it was

912
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: like I was wearing like four different golf logos and

913
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: I was walking across the street and some dude's like, hey,

914
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: are you allan ship? I was like, yeah, he's like

915
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 2: I love the book like that was that was weird? Yeah,

916
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: that was weird. It's one thing we're standing next to

917
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: the tenth fairway here right at the US Open, people

918
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: are going to recognize members of the golf media, but

919
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: when you're out of contact. I was even pizza in

920
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: the Chicago airport. Weird things like that. But you know,

921
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: I mean, we're we have public facing lives.

922
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: So well, I think Jake probably wants to wrap this up,

923
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: But how do you feel about it? On would you

924
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: like to keep going? Would you like the listener to?

925
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: Should we release the listener?

926
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: You're steal in my lines, you can't win the US

927
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: Open on Tuesday, but you can definitely lose your audience

928
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: if the podcast too long. So yeah, well we'll let

929
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: the We'll let our people go. But it's always fun.

930
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: Michael and well, I think the plans we're gonna do

931
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: one on Friday, grating halfway mark. Certainly do it Sunday. Yes,

932
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: we have a winner and we can look and we.

933
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: Will have a winter on Sunday, because says all as All, No,

934
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: there are no playoffs anymore in the major championships, so well,

935
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: excuse me, no eighth and hole Monday playoffs?

936
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: Can we how lame? Is two holes like either be

937
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: sudden death or be four holes? Two holes is like

938
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 2: is this weird? Like splitting the baby? Like, yme on, Yeah,

939
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: it is cool, though I haven't seen the closing TV window,

940
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: but you know they're going to push it deep on

941
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: Sunday because then you get the primetime East Coast audience.

942
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: Like I love the idea that the US Open is

943
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: live and being decided and people are watching it in

944
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: the dark. I don't know why that's so cool to me,

945
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: but it is in the United States, but I'll talk

946
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: about in England.

947
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: Right right, So do you know that there was once

948
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: a thirty six hole playoff for the US Open back.

949
00:43:59,600 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: In the day.

950
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 2: That's that's mot So that's old school USGA. They've gotten

951
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 2: too kinds is patchy rough two whole playoffs.

952
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised by Zing because I thought

953
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: he'd be more aligned with the PJ with the U

954
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: s G as your you know, your fierce of.

955
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: Father and it was no. But all the players, the

956
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: players of the players, they resent the us GA. They

957
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: feel like one week of year these blue coats and

958
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: these bureaucrats like dictate to them how to play the game,

959
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: and half the time they screw it up. Like the

960
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: anti PGA sentiment runs really deep among the players, and

961
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: it's only it's only becoming more exaggerated with all the

962
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: course screw ups.

963
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: The last time, I think you unwillfully misspoke. You said

964
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: the anti PJ tour, but you're you're you were looking

965
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: for anti USGA. I think you're right. It works both

966
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: ways right now.

967
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, in this weird intersection of Tiger thinking

968
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: right now as he's listening to this podcast and Tiger,

969
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: you've got myself call if you wish. But well, Patrick, mean,

970
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: he's so this was interesting. No, I can't say I'll

971
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: spoil something that's good in the book, but yeah, Tiger

972
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: is he's a little miffed. He's a little bit fuddled

973
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: because one thing Tiger's not used to is being on

974
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: the outside looking in. And he got kind of hoodwinked

975
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: like a lot of people in this whole deal. And

976
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: that's true, and he put himself out there and took

977
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: a strong stance in favor. He didn't really go down

978
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: the moralistic route because he kind of probably intuitively knew

979
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: that was a mistake tactically, but he went down the

980
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: route of, you know, it's not real competition, it's not

981
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: a meritocracy, it's not golf of the highest level. But

982
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: look at what's happening with the elevated events, no cut,

983
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: Like the tour product was beginning to converge with the

984
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: live product anyway, Like Tiger had kind of lost the

985
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: argument as it was, so he's probably a little disenchanted.

986
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be kind of weird for him not

987
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: to be the most powerful person in golf anymore, because

988
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: if you were, his tournament would be at least one

989
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty players with a cut.

990
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still I mean, both him and Jack are

991
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: now advocating public before a cut, even if they go

992
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: from like eighty to sixty, you know, which is kind

993
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: of silly, but just yeah, that's still everything's up for grabs. Now,

994
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: whatever we thought was gonna happen, nobody knows, Like the

995
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: elevated events could get completely reconfigured. All it's all it's

996
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: all up in the air now, So we'll see how

997
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: that plays out. I mean, all right, I get a

998
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: store or d of course, yeah, okay, thank you. I

999
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: love when Michael gets angry. It's good for the listeners.

1000
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 2: All right, this is the tenth Fairway of Los Angeles

1001
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: Country Club. That's Michael Bamberger. I'm Alan ship Nook. Thanks

1002
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: for listening to this Fire Drill podcast. We'll be back

1003
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: in your ear on Friday and on Sunday and typing

1004
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: in between, so thanks for listening. That's the end.

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00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: I'm Ben Big and I played the wind, made a

1006
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: fortune when my shit game and.

1007
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 5: Ran the table and never thought I could fall. Then

1008
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 5: the win hit me lack a canon, and now I

1009
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 5: can't shake this losing streak. Every road I take is

1010
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 5: a dead hand street.

1011
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 3: I got thoughts in my head, can't get them out,

1012
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 3: trying not to think what I'm thinking about. I've got

1013
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: thoughts in my head. I can't get them out, trying

1014
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: not to think what I'm thinking about.