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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Sunday, January eighteenth, and we have some new

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Speaker 2: leaked audio. Well it sounds sexy, but this leaked audio

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Speaker 2: is really just telling us what we already knew. President

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Speaker 2: Trump likes to threaten the media, and with that, welcome

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Speaker 2: to this episode of Amy and TJ. Still interesting. A

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Speaker 2: threat do what I tell you to do, or I

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Speaker 2: will sue you. And CBS News did exactly what they

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Speaker 2: told him to.

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Speaker 3: Do, yes, so it was an effective threat.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the biggest concern of them all is that, yes,

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Speaker 4: anyone can threaten the administration. And we've seen this with

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Speaker 4: past administrations. Can be unhappy with the press, they can

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Speaker 4: not like what the press has said or done, or

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Speaker 4: how they've edited something. But never before have we had

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Speaker 4: the president threatened to sue, follow up with a lawsuit

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Speaker 4: and then basically exact control because people.

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Speaker 3: Know that he will suit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he has won. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 2: won in court, but they was essentially called uncle before

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Speaker 2: they even get to a court room with some of

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Speaker 2: these places. So what we're talking about here now, and look,

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Speaker 2: yes it was. It has been a tough launch for

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Speaker 2: Tony de Copel. Look where Root and form over there

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Speaker 2: at CBS News as the new evening anchor. But it

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Speaker 2: has been a rough stretch. But he's been on this

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Speaker 2: promotional tour. And one of the things CBS Evening News

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Speaker 2: last Tuesday, Robes was the interview with President Trump in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: Got a still planned. I got the right spot. It

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Speaker 2: was in Michigan, in Michigan, Yes, he went to Pittsburgh later,

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Speaker 2: You are right, it was where.

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Speaker 1: Do you flip?

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Speaker 4: Somebody else was in Detroit that same place. Okay, Yes,

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Speaker 4: that was a headline making stop for the president and

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Speaker 4: for Tony de Cope for a different reason.

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Speaker 2: So it was that stop that Tony de Coppel was making.

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Speaker 2: Had an interview with the president. We saw at air, well,

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Speaker 2: what has just come out? And it was just overnight,

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Speaker 2: Was it not Robes that this leaked audio in which

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Speaker 2: Carolyn Levitt made sure CBS News understood that interview needs

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Speaker 2: to air in full or else.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So this was and by the way, we watched

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Speaker 4: the whole thing, as you pointed out, air on the broadcast,

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Speaker 4: and it was long, thirteen minute interview. That is long

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Speaker 4: for a morning show that has two hours of content.

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Speaker 4: That is long for just about any broadcast. But for

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Speaker 4: a broadcast, it only has about what twenty one minutes

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Speaker 4: of content?

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Speaker 1: You know what they said, nineteen minutes and thirty seconds.

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Speaker 3: Okay, night all they get. Wow, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So evening news, when you consider it commercial breaks, you

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Speaker 4: only have nineteen minutes and change of content. So imagine

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Speaker 4: for an entire evening news broadcast, thirteen minutes is one interview.

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Speaker 4: And I know it was the president, but still that

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Speaker 4: is an exceptionally long time.

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Speaker 3: You basically have no time to tell any other news.

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Speaker 2: So the video that's leaked eoxu you mean my video

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Speaker 2: is just audio that's leaked out and has been confirmed.

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Speaker 1: So with this it's not a question confirmed. Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: been conferred and proudly we should.

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Speaker 2: Say, right, you know what exactly, But go ahead, Robe

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Speaker 2: tell them what this thing said.

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Speaker 1: But this is after the interview is essentially conducted to.

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Speaker 4: Direct so you know, tapes are still rolling, the cameras

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Speaker 4: are still rolling moments after they finished taping this thirteen

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Speaker 3: And you hear.

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Speaker 4: You hear Carolyn Lovitt go up to Tony de Copple

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Speaker 4: and say, I've got a message from the president. He said,

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Speaker 4: make sure you guys don't cut the tape. Make sure

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Speaker 4: the interview is out in full. That's what Carolyn Levitt says.

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Speaker 4: Then you hear Tony de Copple respond and say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Then Carolyn Levitt replies this. He said, if it's not

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Speaker 4: out in full, we'll sue your ass off. Those were

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Speaker 4: some strong words. It's not hey, just please make sure

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Speaker 3: Please make sure you uphold your end of it. Please

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Speaker 3: don't edit this. No, there was none of that. If

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Speaker 3: it's not how in full, will sue your ass off.

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Speaker 3: She says this.

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Speaker 4: The press secretary says this to the CVS Evening News anchor.

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Speaker 3: That is fairly remarkable.

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Speaker 1: Are you surprised?

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't be, But I am.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I still am, because I still can't imagine the

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Speaker 4: press secretary saying that to Walter Cronkite or to I

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Speaker 4: don't know, I'm just thinking about and maybe that stuff

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Speaker 4: still think that seems just so unprofessional and gangster and

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Speaker 4: not not the way we've or I have experienced journalism

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Speaker 1: You know what, good point.

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Speaker 2: I have never, in any point in my career ever

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Speaker 2: been threatened in such a way. We've had people say

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Speaker 2: because of this, or even pissed people off and they say,

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Speaker 2: we don't want to work with you any more.

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Speaker 1: Kind of a thing. We never ever have anywhere close

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Speaker 4: Oh. I've had a publicist be very upset with me

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Speaker 4: that I asked Lindsay Lohan a question that she didn't

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Speaker 4: want me to ask. But look, I think when you

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Speaker 4: go into this career, we have all learned the hard way,

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Speaker 4: but the right way. You don't, as a journalist let

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Speaker 4: anyone tell you editorially what you can or cannot do.

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Speaker 4: Not before an interview, not during an interview, and not

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Speaker 3: That's just basic journalism. One oh one.

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Speaker 4: And someone tells you, I'll give you the interview, but

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Speaker 4: you can't ask me this question, the interview should be off.

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Speaker 4: You say, I can ask you anything. You can answer

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Speaker 4: it however you'd like, Yes, but I have to have

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Speaker 4: the right to ask you any question. I cannot walk

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Speaker 4: So that's one on one. But then to have a

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Speaker 4: threat that you can't edit it for time, that you

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Speaker 4: that person be the President of the United States, that's

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Speaker 4: scary stuff.

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Speaker 2: So they argue, right CBS that they had made the

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Speaker 2: going to air it in its entirety, they say on

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Speaker 2: CBS Evening News. And maybe that's the case, so they

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Speaker 2: air claimed CBS News. Their official position is that, yes,

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Speaker 2: you hear this audio, you hear this leaked audio. However,

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Speaker 2: we did not acquiesce to a demand. We had already

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Speaker 4: This is their actual statement that they released the moment

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Speaker 4: we booked this interview. We made the independent decision to

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Speaker 4: air it unedited and in its entirety.

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Speaker 3: And like you said, that very well may be true.

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Speaker 4: It still doesn't take away what we heard at the

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Speaker 4: end of that video, the audio from Carolyn Levitt and

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Speaker 4: what she said to Tony Dekoppel.

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Speaker 2: Why was it necessary because these discussions happen ahead of time.

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Speaker 2: To think it wouldn't have been discussed already that this

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Speaker 2: Because clearly wasn't in her head that we had already

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Speaker 3: She it was a friendly reminder.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it was. Maybe that's the way to

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Speaker 1: put it, but it's air in its entirety.

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Speaker 2: Look and Tony decopple, this is just one more I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's been on this tour. He needs to get back

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Speaker 2: a rough stretch. And I know headlines are supposed to

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Speaker 2: misstep after misstep, bad headline after headline, and after all,

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Speaker 2: everybody's talking about him, but they didn't get it didn't

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Speaker 2: result in a bump in their numbers.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he's just People say there's no such thing as

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Speaker 4: bad press. I would disagree because this bad press, and

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Speaker 4: he's certainly got a lot of it, has not pushed

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Speaker 4: the needle in any significant way, they're down year to year,

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Speaker 4: and I think there's a slight bump, but it's minuscule

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Speaker 4: from even where they were in December with that strange

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Speaker 4: up that much from that point into which isn't saying

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Speaker 4: much at all, we should say. Carolyn Levitt when asked now,

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Speaker 3: Response was, Hey, we were already going to do it.

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Speaker 4: But Carolyn Levitt's response when people asked or the media

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Speaker 4: then asked her about getting caught on tape basically, and

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say caught on tape, but certainly

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Speaker 4: she wasn't under the impression she was being recorded and

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Speaker 4: it was going to be released, So yes, I mean,

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Speaker 4: this was not something she was planning on being publicly disseminated.

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Speaker 4: But she had a very interesting response to reporters asking

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Speaker 4: about this leaked audio. She said, the American people deserved

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Speaker 4: to watch President Trump's full interviews, unedited, no cuts, and

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Speaker 4: guess what the interview ran in full?

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Speaker 2: People deserve And guess what I mean. She's essentially saying, Yay,

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Speaker 2: my threat worked. Yep, that's exactly what happened. Everything exactly

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean this is people understand this, right, This happens

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Speaker 2: everywhere every day in the industry. Everything you ever watch,

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Speaker 2: there are no almost zero interviews air in their entirety.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's just how it goes.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: The only time I've heard people even you know, and look,

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Speaker 4: we understand. Anyone who's been interviewed understands you can get

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Speaker 4: intended it. That is why most people who are concerned

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Speaker 4: about that say, I'll just go on live, because then

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Speaker 4: you can edit it so that I totally understand where

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Speaker 3: But yeah, time constraints and you.

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Speaker 4: Couldn't You could see and you could watch Tony trying

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Speaker 4: President's not going to do anything he doesn't want to do.

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Speaker 4: He's not going to move on to another topic, and

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Speaker 4: he's not going to be interrupted. So yes, it went

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Speaker 4: on for thirteen minutes. That is almost unheard of to

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Speaker 4: have an unedited interview. And if you did offer that,

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Speaker 4: if that was a part of the negotiation, it usually

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Speaker 4: would go online, like we can give a full unedited

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Speaker 4: version online. So people to go to their website and

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Speaker 4: then watch the full thirteen minute interview, but probably only

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Speaker 4: four minutes of that would have actually aired on a

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Speaker 2: And they just did this recently with uh Nora O'Donnell.

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Speaker 2: When was that It was a sixty.

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Speaker 1: Minutes was it interview they did with him, Yes.

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Speaker 2: But she sat down with him for an hour and

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Speaker 2: a half and they only aired and end up twenty

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Speaker 2: five or so minutes of it. And I think they

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Speaker 2: put the whole transcript online.

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Speaker 4: But you have to do that, you just that's fair,

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Speaker 4: And I understand why anyone being interviewed the president of

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Speaker 4: the United States, understandable, but anybody I can see why

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Speaker 4: you would want the full transcript to be out for

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Speaker 2: Well, stay here, folks, in case you don't remember, we

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Speaker 2: We full disclosure. We do this too often. I forget

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Speaker 1: All the time. Forgive us, forgive us, forgive us. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: Also that there were sixteen million reasons boom.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the news organizations listen when President Trump threatens action.

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Speaker 2: And look, yes, folks remember this. The President has sued

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Speaker 1: Now we moved to this.

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Speaker 3: Pop desensitized to what they do. But this is a

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Speaker 2: But only if you act right. Oh, we will see

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Speaker 2: So well again, Tony, We're rooting for you, sincerely, we

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Speaker 2: MLK Day. A lot of folks off, a lot of

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Speaker 2: appreciate you spending time with us on TJ. Holmes on

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Speaker 2: behalf of my dear Amy Robock. We will talk us