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Speaker 1: it public later. Hi. My name is Luke Thomas. This

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Speaker 1: So here we go, all right, Question number one, group

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Speaker 1: of international MMA fighters you're most excited about, Hi Luke.

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Speaker 1: The growth of international MMA has been exceptional these past

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Speaker 1: France Cyril Ghan Menon Fierro Nasura, Diin m Avov, Team Wales,

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Speaker 1: I see, and you got some from Georgia Davolishvili, Tupurya, Gegachakatzi, Kazakhstan,

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Speaker 1: Rokmanov Zumagulov, and then Sarah Gey Morozov and then Team

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Speaker 1: I think those two guys are exceptional. It's funny even

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Speaker 1: if the Colombians are not part of your demographic, we

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Speaker 1: into it. There are more Lithuanians who listened to the

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Speaker 1: But what are you gonna do? What is the worst?

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Speaker 1: this media war that makes any kind of like sober

423
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Speaker 1: discussion about it impossible. Why do you think Eastern European

424
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Speaker 1: and Central Asian fighters are starting to become really dominant

425
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Speaker 1: mma and also to an extent boxing, They have long

426
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Speaker 1: histories of it pretty obviously, right, Like someone asked me,

427
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Speaker 1: or someone asked us on I think Monday's episode of

428
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Speaker 1: the show, if muy Thai really goes through with full

429
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Speaker 1: Olympic sanctioning, what countries would dominate? And I got some

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Speaker 1: of them right, but I got most of them wrong.

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Speaker 1: H And some folks who knew a lot more corrected

432
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Speaker 1: me on social media very kindly. I appreciate it actually,

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Speaker 1: And you know, yes, Russia would be big obviously, but

434
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Speaker 1: you know some Ukraine big, Kazakhstan big, France also big.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you add in there the sambo that

436
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Speaker 1: runs through there. Judo is big in the Soviet former

437
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Speaker 1: Soviet satellite states, and I was Russia. So you've got

438
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Speaker 1: boxing is big there, You've got wrestling is big. There,

439
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Speaker 1: You've got you know, thaie striking, tie boxing big. There,

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Speaker 1: You've got some you got ensembo, judo, wrestling, striking, I

441
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Speaker 1: mean everything everything is big there. It's no wonder that

442
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Speaker 1: they do so well. Quite frankly, on the last live chat,

443
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Speaker 1: you said you guys wouldn't be going back back into

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Speaker 1: the studio on a regular basis. At the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the lockdowns, you said you couldn't wait to get back

446
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Speaker 1: into the studio to make the show. What changed. I

447
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Speaker 1: don't think anything really changed all that much. It sounds

448
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Speaker 1: like it changed, but not really. It's a bit of

449
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Speaker 1: a work smarter, not harder kind of thing. Listen, that

450
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Speaker 1: year I was hosting the MMA Beat. The MMA Hour

451
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Speaker 1: was one of the just most difficult years of my life.

452
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Speaker 1: You know. I would go to New York. I'd get

453
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Speaker 1: up at four thirty in the morning. On Mondays, I

454
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Speaker 1: would go to New York. I would do Dissected, I

455
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Speaker 1: would do MK. Then I would go into New York City.

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Speaker 1: I was in Jersey City before I would go to

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Speaker 1: New York City. I would do three hours of radio

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Speaker 1: and then I would go at like seven o'clock. I

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Speaker 1: would take a Usually my train was at six forty five.

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Speaker 1: I take a seven pm train down back to DC.

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Speaker 1: It's about three and a half four hours each way

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Speaker 1: with no traffic. When I say traffic, I mean on

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Speaker 1: the tracks themselves. Obviously, but there would be times whe

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Speaker 1: would take five six hours, I wouldn't get home, then

465
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Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and do it all over

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Speaker 1: again on Thursday. So I two day break between, and

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Speaker 1: then I have a three day break over the weekend,

468
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Speaker 1: and it was just over over. I mean, it was

469
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Speaker 1: so it was so terrible for me. It was so terrible,

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Speaker 1: and the pandemic obviously has been, you know, terrible. Lots

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Speaker 1: of people have lost their lives and their livelihood and

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Speaker 1: everything else. But in the sense that I did not

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Speaker 1: have to keep doing that, and of course I had

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Speaker 1: left MMA fighting by that point, but I was still

475
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Speaker 1: going up every Monday. By the time, you know, the

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Speaker 1: pandemic made me stop that I didn't realize how much

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Speaker 1: it was killing me, and so I definitely wanted to

478
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Speaker 1: get back into studio. But then when we did, it

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Speaker 1: was like, we don't need to do this every single Monday.

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Speaker 1: But here's what we're thinking one to two times a month, yes,

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Speaker 1: but not just going up on a Monday, shooting the

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Speaker 1: show and then going right back down. What we would

483
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Speaker 1: actually do is go up on a Monday, do the show,

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Speaker 1: and then spend several days there and in the course

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Speaker 1: of doing it several days, we would spend the rest

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Speaker 1: of that Monday and that Tuesday, probably some that Wednesday

487
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Speaker 1: as well, recording all kinds of extra content like that

488
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Speaker 1: resume review is a perfect example that we did for Pitbull,

489
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Speaker 1: which like five people saw. But it is really good

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Speaker 1: where we're really proud of it in terms of the

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Speaker 1: work itself. And so what I would say is we're

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Speaker 1: looking to do something like that, so it just works smarter,

493
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Speaker 1: not harder. We definitely still want to go up. We

494
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Speaker 1: obviously everybody can tell that the show is better when

495
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Speaker 1: we're in studio. We know that. You know that not

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Speaker 1: a secret, but you know he has kids, I have

497
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Speaker 1: a daughter. Now, you know, if there's just a regular

498
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Speaker 1: old fight night, doesn't necessarily make a ton of sense

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Speaker 1: to spend the money to go up and deal with

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Speaker 1: the hassle and do the show. Pick your spots and

501
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Speaker 1: then when they're there, make them count as much as

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Speaker 1: you can. That's really so the way we're thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: Almost exactly two years ago, you provide a narration for

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Speaker 1: a BuzzFeed video showcasing someone with no experience training in

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Speaker 1: MMA with the enngle of competing in a sanctioned about

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the video in totality? Yes, and if so,

507
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Speaker 1: would you think of it? Yeah, there is this guy,

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Speaker 1: this BuzzFeed reporter. He was like making a good faith

509
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Speaker 1: effort at trying to have an amateur fight, and he

510
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: did all the things you guys might imagine. He was

511
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Speaker 1: working on his diet, he was training like a madman,

512
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Speaker 1: he was documenting all of it, you know, and he

513
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Speaker 1: sucked mostly for the as anybody who would trying something

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Speaker 1: new and certainly something as difficult. It's fist fighting for

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Speaker 1: a living, you know, competitively anyway, and he lost his bout.

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Speaker 1: But you know, listen, there's no shame in that. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: I take my hat off to anybody who tries for

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Speaker 1: the most part, and certainly I take my hat off

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Speaker 1: to him. And yeah, I thought it was a really honest,

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Speaker 1: difficult take, you know, to go and try so hard

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Speaker 1: for something, because the guy did put it in an

522
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Speaker 1: absolute ton of effort. He really did. He really tried,

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Speaker 1: and you know, he'd made a decent account of himself.

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Speaker 1: And he lost in the end. But that's the way

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Speaker 1: the fight game goes, right. It's cruel and winning is

526
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Speaker 1: difficult and it takes a lot of courage to show

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff to the world, so he did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was. I was frankly honored, he asked me. I

529
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Speaker 1: was honored. He asked me who in the UFC's featherweight

530
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Speaker 1: division would you pick for fun crossover fights? With pit

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Speaker 1: Bull and aj McKee. Dude, it's hard to go wrong

532
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Speaker 1: with any of those or take a holloway. Yeah, here, Volkanowski,

533
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Speaker 1: two A. I don't know how like rip roaring those

534
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: would be, but those three would be easy calls. Josh

535
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Speaker 1: Emmett even to an extent, Jeremy Stevens, depending how you

536
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Speaker 1: want to look at it, you couldn't do it. A

537
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Speaker 1: j McKee, whether he wins or loses, is a fun fighter.

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Speaker 1: And Pittbull I don't know if he's gonna win this

539
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Speaker 1: weekend or not, but he's an absolutely dominant fighter. It's

540
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Speaker 1: you know, this is like, Hey, which of these girls

541
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Speaker 1: who are tens would you like to date? It's like,

542
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Speaker 1: you know, can you swing a dead cat and get

543
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Speaker 1: an excellent choice? Uh? Luke. You've often noted that you're

544
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Speaker 1: not sure what you said about John Jones that sparked

545
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Speaker 1: his dislike of you, Whilst I can't prove this. I

546
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: recently came across your harshest take I've heard you give

547
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Speaker 1: about him, and I can't help but feel this is

548
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Speaker 1: what may have done it. The following was taken from

549
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Speaker 1: a thirty minute mark of your UFC two hundred post

550
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Speaker 1: fight vid on the MMA Fighting YouTube channel in response

551
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Speaker 1: to him being removed from the card for an antidoping violation.

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Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing the following in good faith. Included the time

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Speaker 1: stamp above so you can verify it for yourself. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so here's what apparently the quote is. I've not again,

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Speaker 1: I've not vetted this, so this is not real. I

556
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: apologize in advance, but I'm going to read it just

557
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Speaker 1: the same quote. He's unbelievable, isn't he? After this one,

558
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Speaker 1: I've fundamentally changed my view about him. For him to

559
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Speaker 1: be as successful as he was for so long, I

560
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: wonder if that was just adberant and what he really

561
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Speaker 1: is is what we're getting now and what we got

562
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Speaker 1: the last few years. I hope that's not true, but

563
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm now going to operate under a jaundiced viewpoint of him.

564
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Speaker 1: After the last to go round and this go round,

565
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what you can say in his

566
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Speaker 1: defense anymore, even if it's accidental, it's just not okay. Yeah,

567
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Speaker 1: I don't really take any of that back. In fact,

568
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Speaker 1: I think it's actually proven to be quite true, at

569
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Speaker 1: least more recently less so. But you know, when he

570
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Speaker 1: comes back and they have to move a whole event

571
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Speaker 1: from Las Vegas to La for him, you know, you

572
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: might be right. That may have done it. I don't know,

573
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Speaker 1: could be, but yeah, if that's it, then for sure

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Speaker 1: I don't apologize for it. And again, if that means

575
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Speaker 1: I don't ever get an interview with him again, then

576
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Speaker 1: that's what that means. Top three movie directors of all

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Speaker 1: time in order. Number one for me is going to

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Speaker 1: be Krosawa forget it easy call pt Anderson. I'd probably

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Speaker 1: put two. Three man, that's tougher. That's a tough one

580
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Speaker 1: because Karrasawa and pt Anderson they make uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: movies in the sense of, you know, these are not

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Speaker 1: the guys who are like innovating on They're not like

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Speaker 1: the Wachowski brothers who made The Matrix right, They're not

584
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: doing those kinds of camera tricks. They have other various

585
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: concluding Karsawa very sophisticated ways of making shots and scenes

586
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Speaker 1: look certain ways, with all kinds of incredible knowledge of

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Speaker 1: lenses and cameras and lighting and how elements in a

588
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Speaker 1: scene work together, to work with your mind and what

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Speaker 1: I mean. They're true talents in every way. Third, I

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Speaker 1: would go, see, okay, there you can people have like

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Speaker 1: Kubrick Yet I mean, you can't go wrong with kubrick

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Speaker 1: O one brother, Scorsese, all of them. I want to

593
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Speaker 1: pick someone who's like, who's the best director at action movies?

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Speaker 1: Not just because the movies were good, but because they

595
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Speaker 1: made the action better with you know, you know again,

596
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: the rachow Skier brother is setting up all those cameras

597
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Speaker 1: and then using thing everything three sixty for things like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who that would be. Frankly, it's out

599
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Speaker 1: you're asking me something I'm out of my depth, but

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Speaker 1: I'd be leaning in that direction. There's a boxing question.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna skip it. Sorry, I don't feel like

602
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Speaker 1: answering it. Sorry, it's a perfectly good question, Dan Hooker,

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Speaker 1: I'll skip that one too. In fairness, interesting question. I'll

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Speaker 1: answer it the best way I know. How do you

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Speaker 1: attribute your being well spoken mostly to reading, or do

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Speaker 1: you think a conscious effort has been made to learn

607
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Speaker 1: new words, approve your vocabulary to better express yoursel here's

608
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: a little revelation for you. Up through at least third

609
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: grade or so, maybe even like fifth grade, I had

610
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Speaker 1: a speech impediment. My speech was really slurred. Everything kind

611
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Speaker 1: of fell on top of itself. And some of the

612
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Speaker 1: speech issues were not all that uncommon, even many adolescents

613
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Speaker 1: experienced some form of it. I had a particularly bad one.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it severe, but bad, and I had

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Speaker 1: to slowly work my way through it, partly through reading,

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Speaker 1: partly through conscious effort at getting as many words as

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Speaker 1: I could, and then partly for years, this is true,

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Speaker 1: years of conscious effort at trying to articulate in a

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Speaker 1: way that will slow down enough, that was clear enough,

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Speaker 1: concise enough. And I still struggle with all of those things.

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Speaker 1: But all of those things working in concert got me

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Speaker 1: to a you know, I don't know if I'm exactly

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Speaker 1: well spoken. I appreciate the kind words. I'll just say

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Speaker 1: got me to a better place is a pretty fair

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Speaker 1: way to put it. Yeah, that's what it was. I

626
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Speaker 1: had a hard time speaking. I had a hard time

627
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Speaker 1: making people understand me, and so I wanted to use

628
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Speaker 1: as many tools as I could, including just making basic

629
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Speaker 1: language pronunciation or even enunciation easier to grasp, but then

630
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Speaker 1: on top of that adding layers of nuance that gave

631
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Speaker 1: me greater command of the language. According to the New

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Speaker 1: York Times, Olympic weightlift things days are quote numbered due

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Speaker 1: to rampant doping. Yes, and corruption among judges. Yes. What's

634
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Speaker 1: your take on this all true? And why would it

635
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Speaker 1: potentially be canceled when sports such as pro boxing have

636
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: had the same issues without being called off in a

637
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: similar manner. Well, remember they threatened wrestling with elimination for

638
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons, and then wrestling went through a

639
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: series of reformations and they got to keep their spot.

640
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: Of course, the way classes changed and were eliminated to

641
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: some degree, but you know, they've reformed their rules in

642
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: terms of scoring offense, and in many ways it's better. Now.

643
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: There's a question about whether the International Weightlifting Federation IWF

644
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: is really up to the task in the way that

645
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, USA Wrestling and other governing bodies were. So

646
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: that's really a part of the bigger problem. But like,

647
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: is doping a major problem in Olympic weightlifting. I mean,

648
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: maybe I might be even under selling it, but there's

649
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: going to be a significant portion of people who win

650
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: medals this Olympic cycle, and then a year two, three, four,

651
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: eight or so from now, you're going to see that

652
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of them were fucking cheating, a bunch of them,

653
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: you know. And people have been asking me, and I'm

654
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: not in any way insinuating like I have evidence or proof,

655
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: although historically, even in recent years has had a lot

656
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: of problems with doping, either enforcement or infraction. But have

657
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: you seen their lifters? Like who was it? Was it

658
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: Ge who won seventy three kilos? I think is his name,

659
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: but obviously like you look at luc Cho June, you know,

660
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: these guys are fucking bricked up. Who was the seventy

661
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: three kilo this dude? And he was squat jerking all

662
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: of his finishes in the clean and jerk, like you know,

663
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: he's not splitting his legs, he's just keeping them in

664
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Speaker 1: place and then just easing the weight down to bottom

665
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: position overhead in a squat. I mean, I can't even

666
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: tell you. You have to be so so strong for that,

667
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: you have to be absolutely just out of control, not

668
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: just like strong strong, but like you have to have

669
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: really clear command and balance that. Yeah, no, I got

670
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: his name wrong just a little bit. It's Shiji Yong.

671
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: Shiji Yong was the name, and he is you know again,

672
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea if he's doping.

673
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't possibly tell you. I just mean to say,

674
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, the eye test with them, A lot of

675
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: the dudes who they compete against don't even look a

676
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: third as bricked up as they do. But also, you know,

677
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: China's recruitment of athletes for Olympic Games is second to none,

678
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: and the kind of resources they provide for certain events,

679
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: weightlifting among them, is second to none. Chinese weightlifting in

680
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: terms of best practices is second to none. You know,

681
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: it's this is the thing, This is the problem with

682
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: untangling all of this. Like I saw the economist had

683
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: some fucking absolute zelot in anti doping, and maybe she

684
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: would walk it back if I could really stick it

685
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: to her. What was her name? God, forget her name?

686
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: She told the economists. And the reason I know this

687
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: is because they put up like an audiogram on Twitter,

688
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: where like the image doesn't change, but you can hit

689
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: play and you can listen, and she said, you know,

690
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: with steroid, we know that you can make an average

691
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: athlete a world champion. What the fuck are you talking about?

692
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: Are you out of your mind? What a total lie. Look,

693
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: you don't have to lie about steroids or other performance

694
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: dancing drugs. They work, That's why people take them right,

695
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: They clearly work. Sometimes they take them in ways that

696
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: don't work for them. But you know, listen, there's plenty

697
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: of evidence to suggest the right drug, with the right protocol,

698
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: with the right athlete, can have a very pronounced effect,

699
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: but it doesn't make people superheroes. An average athlete could

700
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Speaker 1: be a world champion in weightlifting. Know the fuck you

701
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: could not. Know the fuck you could not. You could

702
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: not take a strong, good crossfitter, dope them up and

703
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: make them win a gold medal. Not gonna happen. It's

704
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: a complete lie to say something like that. But what

705
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: it can do is if you have two elite lifters

706
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Speaker 1: and one of them gets the sauce, gonna put a

707
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: big gap on the other one. Yeah, for sure you're

708
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: gonna get that. Yes, that is real, That is very real,

709
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: and that's the only real That's the only thing that

710
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: has to matter, you know, but it transforms average athletes.

711
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: I if that was the case, do you know how

712
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: much roids would be coursing through my system right now?

713
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: And how many gold medals I'd have. I'd look like

714
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: fucking slick Rick with my gold medals just dangling. Are

715
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: you kidding me? What a fucking stupid, totally demonstrably false

716
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: thing that's say And the economists reprinted this, I couldn't

717
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: fucking believe it. Uh, you know, just crazy. But this

718
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to point out. Like, dude, I

719
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: don't know if any of the Chinese lifters are on something.

720
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Speaker 1: Let's imagine for the sake of argument, that they are.

721
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: We're going to imagine that they are. Yeah, again, they've

722
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: been caught plenty of times in the past. Let's just

723
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: imagine even if you took that away, Dude, they're still

724
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: going to produce elite lifters, many of them across both genders,

725
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: across numerous weight classes now as dominant as they are today.

726
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: Who knows again or under the pretense that they're using.

727
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: But you're still gonna get they're still gonna find out

728
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: of all those kids ages six and seven, they're gonna

729
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: find the standouts. They're gonna give them best practices for

730
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: twenty years, and then they're gonna send them off to

731
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: international competition and they're gonna run over a lot of people.

732
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: And that can be true whether they haven't had a

733
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: drop of anything in their lives. That's the issue. The

734
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: issue is not that it transforms fucking abject losers into winners.

735
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: The problem is that it skews how you understand somewhat

736
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Speaker 1: the middle of the elite pack and then the elite

737
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: pack itself. And again, there's gonna be plenty of cases,

738
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Speaker 1: outlier cases where someone from a B group will be

739
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: able to compete and win in the A group. You know, Yeah,

740
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's outlier cases where you know, other elite

741
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: lifters have been able to even you know, with a

742
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: big gap, been able to close some significant gaps. But

743
00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: like average lifters, what a fucking ridiculous, ridiculous thing to say.

744
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: So to answer your question, listen, this is the problem

745
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: with For me, I'd rather just have weightlifting where you

746
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: can compete in organizations and in tournaments and events where

747
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: doping protocols are enforced. And I'd like to offer the

748
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: alternative to folks who just like to use. Strength sports

749
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: is always going to have a lot of people who

750
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: are gonna want to use because the benefits. And there's

751
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: been some back of the envelope math that it can

752
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: fix your lifts about ten percent. Now that doesn't sound

753
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: like much to the naked eye, but if you bench

754
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: four hundred and then now you can now bench for forty.

755
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: And let's say in your weight class, the guys who

756
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: are leading are around four twenty. Yeah, four forty is

757
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 1: enough to lap them, you know, get and get big wins.

758
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: So ten percent. Again, it's back of the envelope math

759
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: that a lot more study needs to go into it.

760
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 1: But I would like to see alternatives offered. I think

761
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: that I really, at the end of the I don't

762
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: really believe you can pull out doping from weightlifting worldwide.

763
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, you can hammer the Americans with USADA waking

764
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: them up at five in the morning if you want,

765
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: But the Georgians are never gonna respect or you know

766
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: whoever they've had doping issues to the Colombians. The Colombians

767
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 1: were going to be feeled that. I don't know folks

768
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: know this, but in the Western hemisphere this is true.

769
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: The Colombians have one of the better, if not the

770
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: best teams, especially on the women's side. They had so

771
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: many doping infractions. They had eight slots available to send

772
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: to the Olympics. They were only allowed to send uh,

773
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: excuse me three. They were only allowed to send three

774
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: folks to the Olympics, one of which Luis Musquerra just

775
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: won silver. I think, I think in seventy three kilos,

776
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, that dude's That fucking guy's speed

777
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: under the bar is amazing. Anyway, here's another case of it.

778
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: All the time. I don't really believe. I think it's

779
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: absolutely foolish to believe you can take out performance dancing

780
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: drugs from weightlifting. You can't. I don't. I don't think

781
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: you can. So the best thing I think you can

782
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: do is give the folks who want to use an

783
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: outlet to go use, and then make some rules about

784
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,959
Speaker 1: if you want to go that path. It might limit

785
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: some options about what you can do on the doping

786
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: the antidoping side, and then and then try to adjudicate

787
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: the world that way. That is no solution either. That

788
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: will not fix the problem. You will still have doping.

789
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: It will still be an issue that you have to

790
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: contend with forever as long as it's banned. But I

791
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: tend to think that's a much more realistic one. I

792
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: think that I think it's better for the sport if

793
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: you had for profit. You know, also, this is something

794
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: that the antidoping folks don't want to tell you. If

795
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: you had weightlifting where everyone was allowed or at least

796
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of to dop is different. You

797
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: just don't test for it, which is what happens in powerlifting,

798
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: and certain federations are tested and untested federations. If you

799
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: had that, frankly, I think that would be a compelling

800
00:43:52,560 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: alternative to the to the clean stupid term product. You know,

801
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: you now have to compete with folks who don't have

802
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: to worry about getting woken up at six in the morning,

803
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: so they can they can go through and they can

804
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: use what protocol they have, get through training, compete against

805
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: everyone else who's got the exact same opportunities there, and

806
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: I think you can see some herculean lyfts and I

807
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: think I'd be fucking great. Actually. So you know, everyone

808
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: wants to be like, oh, it's a scourge on sports, Well,

809
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's here, it's here. I think the best

810
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: thing to do is try to figure out what to

811
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: do about it. If folks don't want to use, and

812
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: they want to be with other people who don't want

813
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: to use, and folks want to watch people who don't use,

814
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I don't

815
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with that. That sounds to me

816
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: entirely reasonable. But it also sounds entirely reasonable to me

817
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,479
Speaker 1: that if people want to use, know how to use,

818
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: and the audience doesn't care, and the stakeholders don't care,

819
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: and we already have evidence of this in Professional Strongman,

820
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: it doesn't ruin sports. I think it actually makes it better.

821
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: It creates for an interesting, compelling product, and I'd be

822
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: totally in favor of it, although obviously if you lost

823
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: Olympic sanctioning, that would look bad too, right, But you know,

824
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: in a different world, That's where I'm at. TJ. I

825
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: think you mean Dilla Shaw has commented a few times

826
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: he didn't quote forget how to cheat, therefore pseudo proving

827
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: that he was clean prior to the Sahudo fight. Do

828
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: you think that he had a system with EPO that

829
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: would go undetected and tests and slipped up somewhere along

830
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: the way, or how do you estimate that process? I

831
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: am skeptical of the claim that the only time he's

832
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: been caught is the only time he's used. But you know,

833
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: you're asking me to speculate on information, or you're asking

834
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: me to speculate and make a conclusion based on information

835
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: I simply do not have and maybe somewhat irrespond possible

836
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: to say anything more, even I can't prove anything, you know,

837
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: as a I'll say this as a general rule, there

838
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: are probably going to be cases where someone who you

839
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: didn't use before tried it, was not good at using.

840
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: And when I say that, I mean getting both benefit

841
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: out of it and then not having it being detected,

842
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: getting caught and then being like the only time and

843
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: they're like, fuck, man, the only time I use I

844
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: got caught. Okay, they're probably I'm sure, I'm sure there

845
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: are cases like that, But I tend to think that

846
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 1: in general, when you see cases of someone getting caught,

847
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: it's only after amount of time when they got away

848
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: with it before. But that's a general rule. That's not

849
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: how applicable that is here, you know, I I someone says,

850
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: M case Pitbull resume review has pushed me to get

851
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: a showtime sub cool man appreciate that. Uh. If Pitbull

852
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: was to come over to the UFC, which division you'd

853
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: like to see him in? Featherweight? How would you look

854
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 1: against the top three in that division? I think he's

855
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: capable of beating it any of them. I don't know

856
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: that he would, but the idea that he is out

857
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: of his depth I don't think is true. How did

858
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: you miss mentioning Alexander Emilianenko, the Hua brothers and the

859
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: Naway brothers on the anime siblic quay, Yeah, fucked it up.

860
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: I was. I had not slept hardly at all that

861
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: that morning. I got good sleep this morning, but I

862
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: was bad. Sorry. Before he shot a suspension TJ, I

863
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: talked about possibly going up and fighting by the one

864
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five pounds belt, assuming he is successful

865
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: in reclaiming the about one hundred and thirty five pounds.

866
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: How do you think he would currently do against the

867
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: Volkanowski or Take or Holloway poorly, at least against Holloway

868
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: and Volkanovski or Take. I don't know. I need to

869
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: see how he looks against Volkanowski, but I suspect even

870
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: against him. It wouldn't be a good a good fight

871
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: for him. Do fighters and people in general have a

872
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: ceiling to how strong their heart can be in regards

873
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: to handling adversity in the cage and in life in general.

874
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: I've heard many say this is almost completely natural and

875
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: a product of upbringing. Habib and Faras have said this,

876
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: and can only be trained to a specific threshold among

877
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: different people. Do you think any amount of training gets

878
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: you Ferguson, Habib or even Hugh hold On, hold on,

879
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: I think this is hold on just checking something. Oh no,

880
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: actually as a real person, Hue Glass Okay, okay, mental toughness.

881
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: So I don't know what the prevailing research is on this. Obviously,

882
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: people who come from let's say difficult or disadvantaged backgrounds

883
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: seemingly have a much higher potential ceiling in terms of

884
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: grit and perseverance. There is that. Is it trainable? I

885
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: don't know, But I can tell you only what I've experienced,

886
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: which is about a decade on and off in MMA

887
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: and PJJ JIMS, and then five years military service and

888
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: various forms of training. Throughout the course of all that.

889
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: There is no doubt in my mind that what I

890
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: thought was an acceptable level of No, there's no doubt

891
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: in my mind that what I thought I could tolerate

892
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: before all of that was completely shattered by those experience,

893
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: the subsequent experiences, military, mma, whatever. There's not a doubt

894
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: in my mind, not even a little bit, that I

895
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: was able to suffer through greater forms of difficulty by

896
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: virtue of that. And that is that she was true

897
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: for sort of non physical tasks. But I think you're

898
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: asking more about, you know, performance in cage and how

899
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: it relates to perseverance even there, and especially there, like

900
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: what injuries I thought counted, how much extra energy I

901
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: could show turning off the parts of your brain that,

902
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: even from an evolutionary standpoint, are quite rational but are

903
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: getting you. Like if you're very, very tired, it is

904
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: rational for your brain to kick in to say, hey,

905
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: maybe you should stop doing this stuff. You know you're tired.

906
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: Quit You have to learn how to turn that off,

907
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: or at least to minimize it as best you can.

908
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: Not a doubt in my mind, not a doubt in

909
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: my mind that I got way better at that relative

910
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: to what I was before it all. The question you

911
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself is okay you through training, were

912
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: able to reach into a deeper part of yourself to

913
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: get more out of you fair enough, but maybe there's

914
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: just an innate limit that. Yes, you had to get war,

915
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: you had to put in work to get some of

916
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: that out, but you can't fundamentally alter what you are

917
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: born with or what's there by let's say a certain

918
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: age or something, some kind of ceiling that you don't

919
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: think there's a ceiling because oh, I was here now

920
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm here, right, but the ceiling you know, is kind

921
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: of just baked in. Is that the case or is

922
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: it going from here to here to here to hear

923
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: proves that there is no ceiling, right? So the question

924
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: is that, like, yes, do I think mental toughness can

925
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: be trained in certain people who might need it? Absolutely do.

926
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: I think it can be refined even in people who

927
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: have it, and that you know, even they can be

928
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: pushed to extra limits, no doubt about it. I have

929
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: zero doubt that's true. I just don't know what the

930
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: answer is in terms of how much we actually have

931
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: and how static that is before the part where we

932
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: go in trying to make use of what we think

933
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: is there. I don't know the answer to that. M

934
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: hm hmmm. In regards to some of the Olympic sports

935
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: you mentioned you would be watching. What have you thought

936
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: about Japan's dominance in judo this year? Fucking every year,

937
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: but okay, yeah, you're right this year in particular, and

938
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: show hey Ono coming back from almost two year break

939
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: in international competition to just dominate again. I haven't seen him,

940
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: but I saw the two I think it was the

941
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: Abe brother and sister combo, and then two Bamas were

942
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: running over everybody. Yeah, I don't know what would explain

943
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: why Japan has having a particularly pronounced Olympic cycle. Obviously,

944
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: folks who don't know the story, I believe this is right.

945
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: They re or. I think judo was first introduced into

946
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: Themics in nineteen sixty four, and that was the first

947
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: time that they had welcomed Japan sort of back into

948
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: the sporting international community following World War Two. And obviously

949
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: judo was the big one because it is a Japanese

950
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: it is definitionally a Japanese sport. Obviously it has spread

951
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: far beyond. The Koreans are good at it, the Russians

952
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: are good at it, some Americans can be good at

953
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: at the French are very good at it. The Georgians

954
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: are good at it, but it is at its core

955
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: a Japanese invention. And you know, there's a Codacon there

956
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: which is like a Judo university. Really, it's the hollowed

957
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's what you know. Some call it even

958
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: the birthplace of judo. To a degree, they're always going

959
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: to be really good, you know, like that's how important

960
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: judo is to them. So as it relates to this

961
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: particular cycle, I don't know, but when you understand the

962
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: historical gravity of what judo means to the Japanese, you

963
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: begin to you begin to realize that, like, yeah, they

964
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: put they put a ton of resources into making sure

965
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: the people win there. Okay, Joey Jordanson, the ex drummer

966
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: of Slipknot, died recently. Do you like any of the songs?

967
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: I was never like a big Slipknot guy, but for

968
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: sure I've definitely had banged to you know, a few

969
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: of their songs along the way and forty six terrible

970
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: forty seven maybe very young anyway, Luke, would your walkout

971
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: song be in pro boxing or MMA? For years I

972
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: would have said big Mouth strikes again by the Smiths,

973
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: And now I don't know. You know what song I

974
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: heard today. It wasn't all that great, but it was

975
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: perfect for lifting. It was I'm not like the biggest

976
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: ill bill guy take her to leave it, but this

977
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: song it was him and Immortal Technique, and I think

978
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: the lead singer of not soul Fly, but it was

979
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: Max Cavalleira. Fuck Jesus, my brain is not working the Brazilian.

980
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: Uh well, I guess don't. Soul Fly is actually right

981
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: on the money. Sorry, I got it right the first time.

982
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Suppultura, it was the one I was thinking

983
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: of in my head. But yes, I guess he is

984
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: with Soulfly anyway, War is my destiny again. It wouldn't

985
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: be my walkout song, but it's fucking good. I kind

986
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: of like the ones that understated a little bit, you know,

987
00:55:51,200 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: like Robbie Lawler and Dustin Parier's walkout songs. I don't know, man,

988
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm really enjoying going through Vinnie Pazzes catalog.

989
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: Cheese Steaks is fucking great one. What's another song I'm

990
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: really loving? Oh, Pistolvania is a great fucking love Pistolvania.

991
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: Who the best motherfucker in the streets that you never heard?

992
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: Was it the four fifth? Uh? Separ Rich ahead and

993
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: at seven's nerves called me Coco be ware, I carry

994
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: several birds. I love that shit, but I still like

995
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: the understated stuff. I don't know. I guess I would

996
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: stick with that for now, but I am looking for

997
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: like an updated how do I answer that question kind

998
00:56:46,920 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: of song? All right, we'll do one more. Here's a

999
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: good one. If Tyrone beats Jake, do we see I

1000
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: think you mean Tyron, do we see him headlining a

1001
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: belt or card near the end of the year. I

1002
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: don't know if he wants I don't know. I don't know.

1003
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: He had said something in the run up to I

1004
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: think he told Fight Hub TV Tyrone did that. You know,

1005
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: he just wasn't feeling MMA by the time he lost

1006
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: those four and he was trying to train, and he

1007
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: was trying to like will himself through, but he just

1008
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: really couldn't. And you know, the results speak for themselves.

1009
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: Plus he was fighting like really good fighters. You know,

1010
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't fighting chumps. I don't know if he goes

1011
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: back to MMA, I really don't. And if he beats Jake,

1012
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, does he have a couple of other big

1013
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: names that he could like get big money off showtime

1014
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: with I don't I don't know, I don't know. You know,

1015
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: if he gets flat lined, which seems unlikely but possible,

1016
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: I tend to think he might hang it up. If

1017
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 1: he performs ably but loses, that's where he gets kind

1018
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: of dicey. I think if he wins, he and like

1019
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: it looks good, I think I'll stay doing boxing. To

1020
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I think the training is a

1021
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: little bit easier on him, and again not easy, but

1022
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: like on in terms of injury load, it's it's easier

1023
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: and the money is sick at least in this particular

1024
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: case for him, So I tend to think that's probably

1025
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: more of the direction he'll go. Yeah, all right, let's

1026
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: call a day here. I appreciate everybody who tuned in,

1027
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: thumbs up on the video, hit subscribe, and uh yeah,

1028
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: I would like to do this more a regular time

1029
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: next Thursday, but for now. Next Thursday, by the way,

1030
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: is my birthday, so we'll do one on my birthday.

1031
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: How about that? Until then, thank you guys so much

1032
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: for watching. You want to reach me, email me Luke

1033
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: Thomas newstgmail dot com. And until Next time, stay frost.