Speaker 1: It is Victory Monday, October twenty First, this is Jaguars
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Speaker 2: This isn't your show just yet. And that wasn't very nice,
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Speaker 2: Kinnanni Stevens and for JP Shadrick, he is traveling back
Speaker 2: from the United Kingdoms, so you guys get me for
Speaker 2: one more and I feel very honored. I've had both
Speaker 2: Victory Happy Hour Mondays so far this season, one on
Speaker 2: one trip to London, Jaguars obviously beating the Patriots thirty
Speaker 2: two sixteen, the highest scoring game we've seen from the
Speaker 2: Jaguars so far this season. So it should be a
Speaker 2: fun episode coming up for you. We always keep it
Speaker 2: real and of course we'll have fanatic fan questions for
Speaker 2: you coming up as well. But more than anything, Jags
Speaker 2: needed that win.
Speaker 3: Yesterday, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Needed to win a game.
Speaker 4: It didn't matter where Obviously we love coming over here,
Speaker 4: but it didn't matter where. We just needed to feel
Speaker 4: what winning feels like again.
Speaker 2: All right, Hall of Famer Tony Boselli as we mentioned
Speaker 2: in that play, and Pete Prisco going to join us
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, they needed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I jumped a gun a little bit there.
Speaker 2: So Okay, it's been a long it's been a long hours.
Speaker 3: That was a long week. Good week. Always good to
Speaker 3: go over to London, the annual trip, and it was.
Speaker 2: A lot longer because they lost the first game.
Speaker 1: That's for sure.
Speaker 3: It did make it, didn't it like last week's seem
Speaker 3: d I mean, last year felt like it just was
Speaker 3: so quick and great because we won both games. This year,
Speaker 3: probably there was a downer after that Bears game. We
Speaker 3: talked about that last week. We're going to ignore that
Speaker 3: this week because we got a victory. Did not start
Speaker 3: very well. I was nervous after the first quarter, down
Speaker 3: ten to nothing. We had five offensive plays, they had nineteen,
Speaker 3: had eight first downs, we had one. But give them credit.
Speaker 3: One of the things this team had been criticized for
Speaker 3: was not being able to overcome adversity. Trevor even called
Speaker 3: them fragile, and they did it, and I think it
Speaker 3: was led by the offense. The offense got it going
Speaker 3: broad energy. There was no energy at being in that game, Kai,
Speaker 3: I thought, not at all.
Speaker 2: And obviously the Jags didn't have any excuse because we've
Speaker 2: been there all week. The Patriots obviously, with the flight
Speaker 2: and whatnot, sometimes teams can start a little slow. But Pete,
Speaker 2: how do you look on TV?
Speaker 1: Like I think they looked lifeless, Like Tony said, you said,
Speaker 1: it just didn't look good in the beginning. But look,
Speaker 1: the one thing you were looking for, if things weren't
Speaker 1: going well, would they respond? And they did because the
Speaker 1: quit talk was out there, the fragile talk was out there,
Speaker 1: the culture talk was out there, and so they could
Speaker 1: have quit.
Speaker 5: They could have, you know, curled up.
Speaker 1: In the fetal position and said the season's done and
Speaker 1: started booking their trip to to Bermuda or wherever they go.
Speaker 1: But they didn't. And that's a good sign. And it's
Speaker 1: a good sign the way they did it. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of good things that came out of that game.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean everything's fixed, That doesn't mean they're gonna
Speaker 1: make a playoff push. It means none of that. It
Speaker 1: means they beat a bad football team. But they did
Speaker 1: it after they fell behind ten nothing, and that's a
Speaker 1: good sign for that team. No, I agree.
Speaker 3: I thought the first quarter was very concerning and more
Speaker 3: not even offensively. Let me had one drive, I mean,
Speaker 3: and they got a first down. They stalled out. Okay,
Speaker 3: whatever that happens. But they only have five plays because
Speaker 3: your defense, again couldn't get off the field against the
Speaker 3: worst offense. Let's just be clear. The Patriots are the
Speaker 3: worst offense in the NFL. They're terrible. And I was like,
Speaker 3: what is going on?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: I agree with Pete giving them all the credit because
Speaker 3: we've all seen teams in the past that do curl
Speaker 3: up in the fetal position. They did not. And I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go back to that offense. I'm gonna go to
Speaker 3: try never Lawrence, who's played really good football peat in
Speaker 3: the last three games. And I thought offensively, they ran
Speaker 3: the ball, Tank was great, Trevor was great, offensive line protected.
Speaker 3: Now that's not a very good defense. It's not a
Speaker 3: dynamic defense by any means, but okay, it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: to the NFL. They get paid and the offense, man,
Speaker 3: they brought the energy, and I'll tell you, as a
Speaker 3: player and being on teams a lot of times that
Speaker 3: somebody has to step up, somebody has to make a play,
Speaker 3: or a unit does if the other unit's struggling. And
Speaker 3: I thought both offensively and special teams Parker Washington touchdown
Speaker 3: which I couldn't believe he fielded that punt when he did,
Speaker 3: but credit to him, he made it happen. And then
Speaker 3: the defense started coming along and started, you know, and
Speaker 3: the one thing the defense did the entire day peat
Speaker 3: is they stopped the run, making them one dimensional. And
Speaker 3: I think Drake may is gonna be a really good
Speaker 3: quarterback in this league. But they don't have the weapons,
Speaker 3: they don't have the offensive line, they don't have the
Speaker 3: talent to make to be one dimensional, they had to
Speaker 3: be able to run the ball. The Jaguars took that away,
Speaker 3: as they should, and you felt like, really end of
Speaker 3: second quarter, beginning of third that the game was over,
Speaker 3: like the Patriots were not going to come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, you mentioned the quarterback, and and he's
Speaker 1: taken a lot of criticism over the course of the
Speaker 1: last season, you know, half the last season and this season,
Speaker 1: but are you right, the last couple of weeks have
Speaker 1: been really good. And so what do they do to
Speaker 1: kind of open things up a little bit, Tony? What
Speaker 1: they doos the.
Speaker 5: Middle of the field?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you take shots down the middle of
Speaker 1: the field, you hit those shots. And and one of
Speaker 1: the best throws he made was the crosser to Kirk Brady.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Thomas made the big throw in the big
Speaker 1: play in the middle of the field for the big play.
Speaker 1: But those open things up. The threat of that opens
Speaker 1: everything else up. It opens the run game up, It
Speaker 1: opens those button million, fourteen thousand bubble screens they throw up.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it was so good to
Speaker 1: see him do that the game, and I think it
Speaker 1: kind of got them going a little bit. It's kind
Speaker 1: of set the tempo for the rest of the day
Speaker 1: when they could be physical.
Speaker 5: Look, let's be real about it. You throw the score,
Speaker 5: you run the win.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to run the ball when
Speaker 1: you need to run the ball, but you have to
Speaker 1: be able to get chunk plays in the passing game.
Speaker 5: And I think they did that.
Speaker 1: Now that Patriots aren't very good on defense, like you said,
Speaker 1: but the fact that they did it was very encouraging.
Speaker 3: But Pete, I'm gonna like and we have had this
Speaker 3: debate a thousand times of the show. You talk about
Speaker 3: throw the ball to open it up, stretch things out,
Speaker 3: then run it. I like this fact those pound the
Speaker 3: rock and open up the play action pass take those
Speaker 3: deep shots because if you notice, both those deep shots
Speaker 3: were off play action pass.
Speaker 5: But they hadn't run it very well before they had.
Speaker 3: Now they were I mean the Kirk one I agree
Speaker 3: with they had not run the ball very well because
Speaker 3: it was early. That was the second That was only
Speaker 3: the second drive they had the ball, second time they
Speaker 3: had the ball in the game. I thought after that
Speaker 3: they did run the ball well. I thought they were
Speaker 3: physical upfront.
Speaker 1: I thought was when did Thomas play come the four
Speaker 1: third series?
Speaker 5: Okay, how many rushing yards did they have?
Speaker 1: At that point.
Speaker 3: They had pounded tank a few times. Pete where they
Speaker 3: started pounding it, he was getting he was having success.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm not arguing your point is fair
Speaker 3: there because they did take shots early in the game.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it. Now we say early in
Speaker 3: the game, it was the second quarter because they weren't
Speaker 3: on the field the first quarter.
Speaker 1: That has to change.
Speaker 3: Like, by the way, I don't want to be negative
Speaker 3: in this first segment because we did win. Let me
Speaker 3: tell you what. The next four games are against four
Speaker 3: playoff teams, four teams with winning records, four teams with quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: four teams that are good. And if you start games
Speaker 3: like that against those teams. Defensively, it's gonna be hard
Speaker 3: to come back, it's gonna be very difficult. With that said,
Speaker 3: offensively they did, and to peach credit and to Pete's
Speaker 3: point point of view, they did throw it down the
Speaker 3: field early, in the middle of the field and took
Speaker 3: shots and give him credit, Trevor was very accurate, did
Speaker 3: a great job, and then they got the run game going.
Speaker 3: At one point, Pete, I know you were probably just
Speaker 3: having like an allergic reaction. They were called seventeen straight
Speaker 3: run plays.
Speaker 1: No, because you had the lead. I had no problem
Speaker 1: with it. I had no problem with it. It was working,
Speaker 1: they had the lead. I had no problem whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I was so excited at the booth. I'm like, this
Speaker 3: is the greatest thing I've ever seen. And I text,
Speaker 3: you know, I text, pressed, that's the game. I said,
Speaker 3: that's an offensive lines dream right there. Seventeenth straight play
Speaker 3: run plays like get physical, get after it, and I
Speaker 3: thought the offensive line did a great job. Kunos to
Speaker 3: Walker Little coming off the bench, I thought he I
Speaker 3: didn't get to watch the tape Pete because I did,
Speaker 3: I couldn't download it.
Speaker 1: Was he was the best offensive lineman on the field.
Speaker 3: He was physical. Though I watched him, I had my
Speaker 3: eye on him once he came in, I thought, listen,
Speaker 3: they don't have any pass rushers over there, so forget
Speaker 3: about the pass walking. I didn't. I didn't expect that
Speaker 3: front to get much pressure on Trevor. However, they have
Speaker 3: some big, long individuals who are physical at times. I
Speaker 3: thought Walker Little brought a physicality to the run game,
Speaker 3: and they ran right behind him very effectively. It'll be
Speaker 3: very interesting to see what happens now Cam had the concussion. Well,
Speaker 3: he's in the protocol, so we'll see if he's back
Speaker 3: by Green Bay this week. But let's say he's healthy.
Speaker 3: I think you have a real decision because the physicality
Speaker 3: and the way Walker Little played was very impressive to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he got to the second level.
Speaker 1: I mean he came off his guy a bunch of
Speaker 1: different times Tony on the tape and got to the
Speaker 1: second level and keyed those runs.
Speaker 5: I mean, he did a great job.
Speaker 1: Look when I put on the tape this morning, I
Speaker 1: went in with the open mind. How did he play?
Speaker 1: He was the best offensive lineman on the field. There's
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was close. And so it's a
Speaker 1: good it's a good problem because I think you have
Speaker 1: to go to him.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: I think you have to go to him. He finishes,
Speaker 1: he's tougher. He was pretty, like you said, not a
Speaker 1: great pass protection over there. He looks so much more
Speaker 1: comfortable over there than he does on the other side.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just who he should be playing. Should
Speaker 1: be playing left tackle, and that's his position. As far
Speaker 1: as the rest of the line, and we'd go through
Speaker 1: them a little bit. I thought Morse had his worst game,
Speaker 1: you know, Pete.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch the tape, but live I would, I
Speaker 3: would agree with you. I watched. I'm like, huh, I
Speaker 3: haven't seen that from Mitch. Mitch has played really well.
Speaker 3: I think he gave up a couple of pressures. I
Speaker 3: found him on the ground.
Speaker 5: He didn't walk in the run game. Wasn't great in
Speaker 5: the run game.
Speaker 3: He was he on the ground more than usual because
Speaker 3: I thought watching problems.
Speaker 1: He had problems with that nose tackle when he was
Speaker 1: on his nose. He had real problems with him, and
Speaker 1: so that was an issue. You know, the third and one,
Speaker 1: the fourth and one. Give me a break.
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, we're not let's talk about that in
Speaker 3: the next hour. Things he did not like, Let's stay
Speaker 3: positive this.
Speaker 1: No. I mean, look, I got my tape, my tape
Speaker 1: book right here, full of plenty of negatives, because you
Speaker 1: know I'll find them.
Speaker 2: I had no doubt.
Speaker 3: And I'll just say right now, because Pete's going to
Speaker 3: go there next segment about the fourth and one, when
Speaker 3: we had an opportunity to make it a three possession
Speaker 3: game late in the fourth or mid midway through the fourth,
Speaker 3: I say, eight minutes, eight minutes, twenty six seconds. I
Speaker 3: thought it was eight.
Speaker 1: Eleven eleven fifty or something.
Speaker 3: Okay, whatever it was, I'm going to say on the
Speaker 3: record right now, I said, go for it. I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: I was wrong to do it. I was emotional. I
Speaker 3: was being an offensive lineman because they were running the ball.
Speaker 3: They'd run it sixteen straight times. They were dominating, they
Speaker 3: were physical, and I said, you know what, give the
Speaker 3: offensive line a bone like show that you trust them
Speaker 3: in retrospect. As soon it was over because Logman called
Speaker 3: me out on the air. He was right. I knew
Speaker 3: Pete was going to kill me today. I knew Pete
Speaker 3: was going to kill me on Twitter. He's right.
Speaker 1: I was wrong.
Speaker 3: They should have kicked it. But the offensive line in
Speaker 3: me wanted to go for it. I wanted to throw
Speaker 3: the big guys at bone because I thought they were
Speaker 3: physical all day. I like the press, Taylor trusted them.
Speaker 3: I like the Doug and tusted them. I wanted to
Speaker 3: see them go for it. That's the wrong call. I
Speaker 3: was wrong. I don't say that very often. I don't
Speaker 3: like a meeting when I'm wrong. Pete, I was wrong,
Speaker 3: you were right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were wrong. Was wrong, you were wrong.
Speaker 5: Doug was wrong.
Speaker 1: They were wrong. It makes no sense. He does eighteen eighteen,
Speaker 1: takes the two scores out of the makes it three scores.
Speaker 5: The game's over.
Speaker 3: But he let me tell you what. Pete is wrong.
Speaker 5: By the way, I forget about attitude.
Speaker 1: Attitude goes out to wind you right.
Speaker 5: Stop telling him he's wrong too. I'm not talking just
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Doug Peterson, what's the rationale behind it?
Speaker 3: Were you?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 5: What you're thinking there?
Speaker 3: Just to make myself feel good as an offensive lineman?
Speaker 5: You not you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's capable of not doing it. I
Speaker 2: feel like if there's ever a maybe on a fourth down,
Speaker 2: I absolutely know that he's wrong.
Speaker 3: That's who he is. Was wrong.
Speaker 1: Let me so good on third short that decided to
Speaker 1: go back to fourth to Jort, I mean you didn't
Speaker 1: get anything on third short.
Speaker 5: You should have said, no, we're going to go kick
Speaker 5: the field goal. Let's calm it said.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you made your point. I'm with you where
Speaker 3: you Peene is wrong, dead wrong. But Patriots were right
Speaker 3: going for two when they did, because you at that
Speaker 3: point you know what you need to do. And by
Speaker 3: the way, we were very fine.
Speaker 5: I don't have any problem with that. I didn't have
Speaker 5: any problem with it.
Speaker 3: I thought you called it out on Twitter that you
Speaker 3: said you disagreed. Okay, I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't quite understand going for two when Jacksonville did it.
Speaker 3: I did just because they I mean, the odds saved
Speaker 3: from the one one go for it. I mean that's yeah,
Speaker 3: that's all okay.
Speaker 1: If the odds say from the one, you go for it,
Speaker 1: they threw a pass, what's the difference throwing the pass.
Speaker 5: From the two to the one.
Speaker 3: I didn't say I liked the play call. I just said.
Speaker 1: The thing.
Speaker 3: We are fortunate that turf was a little slippery because
Speaker 3: they they had a return route which is fake in
Speaker 3: go out, and the Jaguars defender I think it was
Speaker 3: Monterrey Brown.
Speaker 1: It was was it fell down.
Speaker 3: Dead to rights. The receiver slipped. That is, it would
Speaker 3: have been a one possession game if the receiver doesn't slip.
Speaker 1: And it would have been one possession game at large
Speaker 1: part because he didn't kick the damn field goal.
Speaker 3: That too, and that's what I was dreading it. I
Speaker 3: was so happy when he fell because I, oh gosh,
Speaker 3: but I was like, my idiotic decision to say go
Speaker 3: for it was so wrong and it was about to
Speaker 3: become even more wrong if they get the two point conversion.
Speaker 3: But overall, like, kudos that team, because let me say something,
Speaker 3: you're in London. You had a bad loss against a
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback the week before with Chicago, there was a
Speaker 3: lot of noise. That's a long week after a loss.
Speaker 3: Guys are away from their families, coaches away from their families.
Speaker 3: Everyone's negative around them. You know, one in five everyone's
Speaker 3: saying it's over, calling for you know, people to be fired.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was really a tough situation away from home.
Speaker 3: And I give those guys a ton of credit. I
Speaker 3: give the whole organization on the football side a ton
Speaker 3: of credit because they buckled down and they showed up. Yes,
Speaker 3: the Patriots are the worst team in the NFL, or
Speaker 3: they're they're fine, Caroline or the Patriots. They're both like,
Speaker 3: they should play each other to see wo's the worst team.
Speaker 3: It will be a zero three zero game. We'll see
Speaker 3: who wins. Doesn't matter. But that's a bad football team
Speaker 3: we'd beat. I don't care. It's still the NFL. You
Speaker 3: can lose to those teams. And they showed up. They
Speaker 3: were ready. I didn't like how they came out of
Speaker 3: the locker room, but when it mattered, they got their
Speaker 3: stuff together on the sideline, they found a way to
Speaker 3: dig deep and they played really good football from the
Speaker 3: second quarter on, and I give them credit for that.
Speaker 2: We saw some fight, which was great.
Speaker 3: It was great.
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Speaker 6: It really meant a lie and I if me personally
Speaker 6: I could take some of that responsibility because that first
Speaker 6: touchdown that was on me and obviously just coming into
Speaker 6: the finishing the game and doing everything that I know I.
Speaker 1: Could do, which is execute every player.
Speaker 6: And so that's what I feel like we did going
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Speaker 2: talking post game after the Jaguars got a win in London.
Speaker 2: There only win in London because they lost the first
Speaker 2: game to the Bears and Tony. We talked a little
Speaker 2: bit about this off the top. The defense did not
Speaker 2: look great coming out of the gun, including that touchdown
Speaker 2: run against trym Michael Hasey, former running back for the Jaguars.
Speaker 2: What was that play exactly?
Speaker 3: You mean the little swing pass to so they it
Speaker 3: looked like they're in the zone blitz and trying to
Speaker 3: overload offensive left defensive right dropping Josh heinz Allen the coverage.
Speaker 3: I don't like it. On third down, you know they're passing.
Speaker 3: Why are you putting your why are you putting your
Speaker 3: best pass rusher in coverage? I don't understand that or.
Speaker 2: Josh Heinzellen coverage pretty much ever really.
Speaker 3: Like like I would never drop him, but I get
Speaker 3: some blitzers. You want to overload and make them think, okay,
Speaker 3: great whatever. We don't blitz very much. We blitzed more
Speaker 3: like one possession then we have all year. I think,
Speaker 3: still bad offensive tackles third and long, like let Josh
Speaker 3: go like get like you gotta rush the passer. And
Speaker 3: they dropped him the coverage. I thought, look, he looked
Speaker 3: late dropping.
Speaker 1: Well, well you know what happened, Tony. He was on
Speaker 1: on the right side of the defensive formation and dropped
Speaker 1: out into the middle.
Speaker 3: He was on the left side. He was playing left
Speaker 3: end that play and was supposed to drop into the flat.
Speaker 3: I thought it was dropped. Wasn't very good and then
Speaker 3: there was so much space.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's on the other side.
Speaker 5: He came across the It's that's the weird thing about it.
Speaker 3: I don't think he did. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm almost one positive. If we could show the play,
Speaker 1: you could see it. It's a bad coverage. It's a
Speaker 1: bad it's a bad thing.
Speaker 3: For I'd love to pull it up if we have it.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we have it or not. And
Speaker 3: I'll trust you because I didn't watch the tape again,
Speaker 3: I thought he'd dropped from because he played it was
Speaker 3: interesting this game. Josh Heinzeuen played some more left end
Speaker 3: than he had been. They kind of flipped him and
Speaker 3: uh Trayvon around and then at the in the fourth
Speaker 3: quarter when they're doing a lot of pass rushing, he
Speaker 3: was playing three technique and they had Graziano at the
Speaker 3: end and they're trying to get pushed inside using Joshu
Speaker 3: the three technique, which I'm not against. I think I'd
Speaker 3: like to see Trayvon inside bet more. I think it'd
Speaker 3: be really interesting to have Trayvon and Josh on the
Speaker 3: same side at times, but I like to mix it up,
Speaker 3: trying to get create things.
Speaker 1: But they finally listened to me on how to align
Speaker 1: their defense though they're listening in Pete.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was Pete. I'm pretty sure it was the
Speaker 3: least amount of end that Eric Armstead played.
Speaker 1: And had game and he got his pressures from inside.
Speaker 3: Shocking.
Speaker 1: Only that shocking you you say where Darnell Savage was playing.
Speaker 3: Right safety because Antonio Johnson got benched.
Speaker 1: Which is where he should be playing.
Speaker 5: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I say that all throughout the early part of this
Speaker 1: show and in training camp, and I said that all along.
Speaker 5: He's not a nickel. He's a safety. He should have
Speaker 5: been playing safety all along.
Speaker 3: He played a lot of nickel in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: But I know, but he's not a nickel. He's a safety.
Speaker 1: That's what he is. He came into the league as
Speaker 1: a safety. He's not a nickel. He's not a twitchy guy.
Speaker 1: He's a safety. And and I personally think if it
Speaker 1: was my team, this is how I would play it.
Speaker 1: He'd be one of the safeties, Cisco would be the
Speaker 1: other one, and I think I'd have my corners being
Speaker 1: Monteric Brown and Campbell, and I played Jerryus Jones at
Speaker 1: the nickel.
Speaker 3: Well, Jerry's played nickel. Yesterday in Montera, they rotated all
Speaker 3: three guys.
Speaker 5: Rotate everybody hockey team.
Speaker 1: Remember we never forget three plays in they took the
Speaker 1: starting divisive line out three plays in.
Speaker 3: I got nothing to say because I don't get it either.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking, does anybody ever asked that guy why
Speaker 1: he does that? Hey, Ryan, what the hell do you
Speaker 1: rotate players like their hockey team for?
Speaker 2: What does he say so that they're What was he
Speaker 2: trying to say? I think he said two weeks ago
Speaker 2: is because that has played them, so now they're ready
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm a big believer play your best players
Speaker 3: as much as you can. I agree, that's my theory.
Speaker 5: But it was right.
Speaker 1: The alignments are right, and and and by the way,
Speaker 1: Monterak deserves to be on the field. He has earned
Speaker 1: the right to be on that field, and just like
Speaker 1: I think Ventre Miller has earned the right, particularly in
Speaker 1: the run game, he's earned the right to be on
Speaker 1: that field. But I think the alignment best alignments, and
Speaker 1: one I just gave him because Jones looks like a
Speaker 1: nickel corner.
Speaker 5: Savage never was. He's a safety.
Speaker 3: And I like what they did in the dime. You
Speaker 3: can put Antonio Johnson down that linebacker level, right.
Speaker 1: Which suits his skill set, right. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: it's just an Armstead was so much more comfortable rushing
Speaker 1: from the from the three technique.
Speaker 3: I wonder what Pete is that gouldn't be because his
Speaker 3: whole career he rushed as a three technique and sub.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they did a lot, a little bit
Speaker 1: of a few different things though, Like they put Abdullah.
Speaker 5: On the inside a couple of times.
Speaker 3: Well they also put josh heinz Allen on the inside
Speaker 3: and put up Due outside and put uh you know,
Speaker 3: at the end of the game, Pete, he was rushing
Speaker 3: three technique in a three point stance, and he had
Speaker 3: Graziano outside. Sometimes he had a duel outside. Sometimes they
Speaker 3: changed it up. I still think I thought I would
Speaker 3: love to see Trayvon get some rushes at three technique
Speaker 3: me too, just too.
Speaker 2: And there was talk of this, and there was a
Speaker 2: lot of.
Speaker 3: And I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, but I'll tell you what when
Speaker 1: when he and Arms sta are in side by side
Speaker 1: over there rushing.
Speaker 5: That's two big bodies coming after.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Now, And the funny thing I saw the
Speaker 3: win rate for the Jaguars. Armstead was one, or maybe
Speaker 3: it was for the league this weekend win rate Armstead
Speaker 3: won or pressure rate one of the two. I got
Speaker 3: thirty four percent and Josh Allen Heinz Allen was third.
Speaker 3: I think, uh, some.
Speaker 2: On has PFF has pass rush win win rate, Eric
Speaker 2: Arms has thirty six percent, joshes An thirty one points.
Speaker 3: Were they one and three in the league?
Speaker 2: Yep, pass rush snaps.
Speaker 3: Both of them. I mean, Josh heines Allen's getting a
Speaker 3: lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: Peat he's not getting sacks, I know.
Speaker 3: And then and then trade Bon's not.
Speaker 1: In fact, they don't get it. Usually don't get any
Speaker 1: pressure on the inside.
Speaker 3: And trade Bon's not getting a lot of like as
Speaker 3: far as PFF, a lot of pressure. But he's getting
Speaker 3: the sacks.
Speaker 2: But when he gets there he gets yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, but the sack, if you look at the sack
Speaker 3: he got, there was pressure inside so the quarterback couldn't
Speaker 3: step up. Drake Bay dropped, he went backwards right, yep.
Speaker 1: Right, and and by the way. I want to say this.
Speaker 1: I thought Hamilton had his best game since he's been back. Hamilton, Yes,
Speaker 1: I thought he was physical in the run game. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're still not pushing the pocket in the middle of
Speaker 1: that defense. But he was physical in the run game
Speaker 1: and had his best game since he had that back issue.
Speaker 3: I figured because they averaged the they averaged about a
Speaker 3: yard per carry. They could not run the ball at all.
Speaker 3: The Patriots. I thought the front seven did a great
Speaker 3: job against the run, and that's what you have to
Speaker 3: do against a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: For'sive line.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're terrible, Pepe they start. That was their seventh
Speaker 3: starting combination.
Speaker 1: Of the year. Michael Jordan might be one of the
Speaker 1: worst guards I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 3: He's a heck of a basketball player though indeed, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but he can't play guard.
Speaker 1: That's that's you know. I used to give out a
Speaker 1: Spinning Top Award each week to the worst offensive lineman
Speaker 1: in the league, and then at the end of the
Speaker 1: year he wanted. I think he wanted two or three
Speaker 1: times when he was in Carolina, so he was the
Speaker 1: winner of the entire year.
Speaker 5: He won the award. He was awful. I mean, it's
Speaker 5: just bad.
Speaker 1: But but look credit to that front seven. They were
Speaker 1: were more physical and Hamilton was better. Here's the question
Speaker 1: I have a couple of them. Why did it take
Speaker 1: so long to figure out the things that you needed
Speaker 1: to do to play that defense when it was so
Speaker 1: obvious staring in the face.
Speaker 3: But okay, with timeout, go ahead. You said, A what's B?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 3: You said, why did it take so long to figure
Speaker 3: out how to play that defense? A?
Speaker 1: What was the B?
Speaker 3: You're I assume you're gonna give us a B option?
Speaker 5: Yeah? The B is the rotation? What are we doing?
Speaker 3: So here's here's my question, Pete. They did what they
Speaker 3: had to do. They won a game they're supposed to win.
Speaker 3: Is it they played better or is it the Patriots
Speaker 3: are that bad upfront? I mean, Jeff and I watch
Speaker 3: the tape, We're like, this might be the worst offense
Speaker 3: line we've seen all year. It is, And I think
Speaker 3: the real test is the next four and starting with
Speaker 3: Green Bay because green Bay is a good football team,
Speaker 3: well coached. I'm not saying they're the best team in
Speaker 3: the NFC or anything, but they're a good football team.
Speaker 1: They're a good team and they got good offensive line, and.
Speaker 3: They had a good offensive line. They have a good quarterback,
Speaker 3: they have weapons outside, they have a good running back.
Speaker 3: They have a pretty good defense too. I haven't studied
Speaker 3: them yet. I mean they they took it to Houston.
Speaker 3: They rushed, they harassed c. J. Stroud the whole game,
Speaker 3: and it was a close game. But they and they,
Speaker 3: but they got the victory with the last minute field goal.
Speaker 1: Our old guy, no comment.
Speaker 5: But by the way, let me ask you this too.
Speaker 1: A couple other things we didn't talk about because Roy
Speaker 1: robertson Harris, you know that whole thing happened. Yea after
Speaker 1: the show last week. We were onto something when he
Speaker 1: was playing in the preseason to.
Speaker 5: There was something going on there.
Speaker 1: We knew it. Here's the other part of that. Why
Speaker 1: did the second round pick is a healthy scratch?
Speaker 3: Here's the real thing, Pete. It's a great question because
Speaker 3: the rookie second rounder, and you expect your second rounder
Speaker 3: to contribute. That it's going to be a starter, but
Speaker 3: you expect him to contribute. He is a second second
Speaker 3: time this year, a healthy scratch, but healthy scratch. The
Speaker 3: week you got rid of one of your core rotational
Speaker 3: players and Roy Robinson, Harris and you brought up the
Speaker 3: sixth round or whatever Jefferson was for the first time.
Speaker 3: There's questions there like something's going on. They are unhappy. Yes,
Speaker 3: you you don't healthy scratch your second rounder, especially when
Speaker 3: you got rid of depth at that position during the week.
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 5: I just I would say that something happened on the trip.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not gonna say he was.
Speaker 3: I don't Maybe I don't.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe it's late for me.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's it, Pete. I don't think that.
Speaker 5: Would be the better part of it.
Speaker 1: That means the other part of it means he's not
Speaker 1: very good and he has talent.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was because of disciplinary reasons.
Speaker 1: What do you think it is? Because he just they
Speaker 1: don't think he's very good. Well, there's also some talk
Speaker 1: that the coach and the general manager different on that
Speaker 1: one too.
Speaker 3: I don't know that either.
Speaker 1: I've heard that one too.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna think it over during the break
Speaker 2: coming up, we will talk a little bit more about
Speaker 2: the defense. Also, big day from Tank again once again
Speaker 2: stepping up with Traves, ytn out with an injury.
Speaker 7: You don't get too many opportunities in this National Football League,
Speaker 7: so when you get one, you have to take full
Speaker 7: advantage of them and do it at your best ability.
Speaker 7: And I felt like as we kept running the ball
Speaker 7: that they got, the Patriots would get tired, and we
Speaker 7: just got to keep going. And we've got to keep going,
Speaker 7: to keep going, to keep going. And I just took
Speaker 7: advantage though opportunities because on film to show like fourth quarter, come,
Speaker 7: third quarter, come those guys will start arm tackling and
Speaker 7: there starting loafing.
Speaker 5: So we just did what we had to do when
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Speaker 2: Tank bigsby another big day, taking full advantage of that opportunity.
Speaker 2: Travesy Dn, suffering a hamstring injury, wasn't able to go,
Speaker 2: but Tank certainly was. Tony I'm pretty good day, I
Speaker 2: know as an offensive lineman and you you were excited
Speaker 2: for the run.
Speaker 3: So I loved it. I love how they I think.
Speaker 3: I think Press did a great job calling the game.
Speaker 3: I think he got a feel for it, and he
Speaker 3: saw his offensive line playing well. He saw both backs.
Speaker 3: I thought the Artist Johnson ran the ball very well
Speaker 3: in that game, and so the combination of Tank and
Speaker 3: the Artist and an offensive line, I really like what
Speaker 3: Press did. They had some good play action pass. Trevor
Speaker 3: was on you know, spot on during the day, so
Speaker 3: it was outstanding and I thought it was interesting. I
Speaker 3: saw a Pro Football Talk and I don't know if
Speaker 3: someone asked, but you know, Doug Peterson said that Travis
Speaker 3: etn is still their number one back and he's the
Speaker 3: head coach. That's his choice. I've said it, so I'm
Speaker 3: not changing my tune because I've said this since the
Speaker 3: beginning of the season. I said in the preseason, and
Speaker 3: I got a lot of heat for it, at least
Speaker 3: here locally. I think I think Bigsby's your best running back.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's doing and I.
Speaker 2: Think maybe I know why Doug is saying it the
Speaker 2: way he is. What I believe is going to happen
Speaker 2: is it's going to be more of a split and
Speaker 2: they'll use Etn in the past game a little bit
Speaker 2: more and kind of more to his skill set. But
Speaker 2: I don't believe it's it's going to turn into a
Speaker 2: combo thing. I believe at some point.
Speaker 1: Or or it could turn into trading trade deadline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying if you're the Dallas
Speaker 3: cow if you're the Dallas Cowboys and you're supposed to
Speaker 3: have this team that's going to be a playoff team
Speaker 3: and you don't have a back that's worthy of that, why.
Speaker 5: Don't you go make a move to go get a
Speaker 5: guy like Etn?
Speaker 3: What would you what would it take to get him?
Speaker 1: Pete? Well, his contract is remember they picked up the
Speaker 1: fifty year option, so he's got some cash on that contract.
Speaker 1: It's not cheap. So four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I don't know. I'd be like a third,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I don't know. If you're I don't know
Speaker 3: if you're gonna get a third.
Speaker 1: But but again, you got to look at that if
Speaker 1: you're if you're Jacksonville, you have to look at that.
Speaker 5: And definitely make if something.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're going to lose to the Packers.
Speaker 1: But if they did lose to the Packers, then you
Speaker 1: got to start looking at all your trade options as well.
Speaker 1: I think that's something you got to consider.
Speaker 3: I would agree, but I would agree with that by
Speaker 3: the way, I would agree with one. I would listen
Speaker 3: right now too, if someone offered to me be a
Speaker 3: third for sure for Travis. Yeah, but not just him.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about depending on what happens this week. I
Speaker 3: think you do start listening even more.
Speaker 5: Like camp Robinson, what do you do or walk little
Speaker 5: one of them?
Speaker 3: I would listen, no, no, bat doubt about it, because
Speaker 3: both of both the free agents at the end of
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 1: Kirk, I would listen, yep.
Speaker 5: I think all those guys are in play for potential.
Speaker 3: Now it all depends and hopefully we win this week,
Speaker 3: and now you're okay, let's wait in another week. Let's
Speaker 3: see where this thing goes. And they're more than capable
Speaker 3: of winning this week if they play good football. But
Speaker 3: I'll go back to it. I said it before the
Speaker 3: game with the Patriots. I think Tank Bigsby, you need
Speaker 3: to give him twenty plus carries. I think he's he
Speaker 3: gets better as the game goes on. I think he's physical,
Speaker 3: and I would give Tank Bigsby twenty plus carries a game.
Speaker 3: That's what I would do.
Speaker 1: Yep, So okay, give him twenty you're gonna give Etn
Speaker 1: six or seven? Then? Basically sure? And dearnest ran pretty well?
Speaker 5: Ye ran great.
Speaker 3: I mean that's another.
Speaker 1: Reason why you trade Etn. So let me ask you
Speaker 1: this when as it relates to the running back position,
Speaker 1: do you ping them for wasting a first round pick
Speaker 1: on Etn? Do you give him credit for taking Bigsby
Speaker 1: when they had him in the in the what round?
Speaker 1: Did he come there? A third?
Speaker 3: Third?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you give it? So you get it's probably
Speaker 1: a combination of both of them.
Speaker 3: I want to be consistent because I think Travis CTN
Speaker 3: is a good player. But even when I thought he
Speaker 3: was the best back on this team and thought he
Speaker 3: was a very good player, I would never I would
Speaker 3: not have drafted him in the first round. Not because
Speaker 3: it's Travis Etn. There was no back I would have
Speaker 3: drafted in the first round.
Speaker 1: No, it's not worth it.
Speaker 3: Because I think you can get good backs like Tank
Speaker 3: Span Tink Bigsby late in the second, third, and fourth round. Right,
Speaker 3: that's right, that's my I'm not saying I'm right, but
Speaker 3: that's my.
Speaker 5: Third No, you're right.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, and I'm never going to admit that
Speaker 1: out loud, but you're right.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Uh, you don't draft backs in the first round. You
Speaker 1: find him anywhere there, you pull them off the shelf.
Speaker 1: I always like to say, boom, there's another one, and
Speaker 1: so you kill them for taking him in the first round,
Speaker 1: but you give him credit for finding the guy when
Speaker 1: he did find him in the third round. So I
Speaker 1: think it's a combination of too one quick note. I
Speaker 1: went back and watched the play. I was right, Tony.
Speaker 1: He lined up at right defensive end. The back was
Speaker 1: on the lined up offset on the right side of
Speaker 1: the offensive formation. So for him to even get over
Speaker 1: there and try and cover him, he has to clear
Speaker 1: run across the formation to get over there. It's a terrible,
Speaker 1: terrible coverage and I don't know how they put him
Speaker 1: in that situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, okay, that makes me feel better because
Speaker 3: I thought he just took a bad drop because.
Speaker 2: He went all the way across the field and Trayvon
Speaker 2: kind of chirped up and said it was on him.
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering I order. He was supposed to drop
Speaker 2: when he saw the running back was on his side
Speaker 2: and he did it. I wonder it looked like something
Speaker 2: went wrong.
Speaker 3: I wonder if both of them are supposed to drop.
Speaker 1: And then the other part of that is Cisco made
Speaker 1: it lazy, terrible play on that play. And you know,
Speaker 1: for a guy who calls people call people out for
Speaker 1: quitting last week, he looked like he was loafing and
Speaker 1: then realized that the tackle wasn't going to be made
Speaker 1: and had to try and get over there, and the
Speaker 1: guy just made a move on him. Look, you're gonna
Speaker 1: call people out for quitting, you better go full all
Speaker 1: out all the time. And he didn't on that play.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys saw it at the game.
Speaker 3: I did not see it obviously. I did not see
Speaker 3: it live because I got I didn't see the Josh
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, or I forgot being uh in London. I
Speaker 3: tried to download the tape but it had not been
Speaker 3: uploaded to the cloud last night and then I flew
Speaker 3: home today.
Speaker 2: No, Tony was out on the town. He wasn't watching films.
Speaker 3: No, that's not true, guy. I was in my room
Speaker 3: trying to download it to my iPad. It was no, No,
Speaker 3: I was not drinking tea. I did not go to
Speaker 3: bed early. I didn't say that, but.
Speaker 1: God when I said that about Cisco, so you noticed
Speaker 1: it too.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel the safety tackling in general, it's
Speaker 2: been good, and for me that's been hard. Part of
Speaker 2: the hardest part obviously, you know, the cornerbacks are gonna
Speaker 2: beat that's fine. The safeties they don't look like they're
Speaker 2: giving any effort, and Cisco look kind of slow compared
Speaker 2: to what we've seen him do before. It's funny, and
Speaker 2: I know people have said that about Josh kind of
Speaker 2: bulking up too. They don't have that speed burst that
Speaker 2: we saw at times last year, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's purposeful or it.
Speaker 3: Does not look like a fast defense.
Speaker 2: Which is what they kind of Obviously they've had issues.
Speaker 2: The secondaries had issues both years, but at least last
Speaker 2: year you could force turnovers. For the first half of
Speaker 2: the season, they haven't been able to do that. So
Speaker 2: now it's just like these long processions.
Speaker 3: Dropped interception and now he made a very nice breakup
Speaker 3: on the Polk play.
Speaker 2: Yep, right before was that right before Parker's kick?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a very nice place.
Speaker 1: That's the tackling look you're gonna have. They have tackled poorly,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have some mistackles. But his effort wasn't great.
Speaker 3: And I can't I can't comment on his effort because
Speaker 3: I didn't get to watch the tape. But that's disappointing.
Speaker 3: And I trust you because you do watch the tape.
Speaker 3: And obviously KAI saw it live. I did not notice
Speaker 3: that live. I was in shock that somehow Josh Allen
Speaker 3: was I thought it was so late dropping. I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my goodness. Anyway, that's ridiculous. That makes no sense
Speaker 3: to me. It makes more sense now Treyvon said he
Speaker 3: made a mistake, so obviously there was a mix up.
Speaker 3: I think one of the things that is plagued this
Speaker 3: defense of guys getting lined up correctly and doing their
Speaker 3: job correctly. So that's concerning because again, the Patriots are
Speaker 3: a bad offense. So I just want to say this,
Speaker 3: they're the worst offense in the NFL. So I am
Speaker 3: really happy we won that game. But boyl boy, you
Speaker 3: gotta clean that stuff up because here comes Green Bay,
Speaker 3: who is not the worst offense in the NFL. I
Speaker 3: don't know where they're ranked. I haven't watched any tape,
Speaker 3: but that is you gotta clean that stuff up. It
Speaker 3: goes back to and we talked about this in the pregame,
Speaker 3: UH in the broadcast, and I said it like the
Speaker 3: key of the game, like before you can start, before
Speaker 3: you can start worrying about winning, like stop beating yourself.
Speaker 3: Like the first thing you do is you don't beat yourself.
Speaker 3: It's hard to win in the NFL. It's impossible if
Speaker 3: you're beating yourself. And so that's got to get cleaned up.
Speaker 1: UH.
Speaker 3: Coming in down the stretch. You have a tough stretch
Speaker 3: of four games starting with Green Bay here and they
Speaker 3: don't and you know, I believe they're off today because
Speaker 3: of the travel. I believe they're in tomorrow. And you
Speaker 3: got to have really good work on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday
Speaker 3: getting ready for this Sunday game. It's a big game
Speaker 3: because if you get to three and five, it's different,
Speaker 3: it's a different feeling.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, you start feeling a little better about yourself
Speaker 1: and maybe gain some momentum. You're right, I mean a
Speaker 1: Luakan they say might be back this week.
Speaker 2: I think he's it's possible. I haven't heard anything.
Speaker 3: They have made They haven't made him available. I mean,
Speaker 3: they haven't opened the window they yet.
Speaker 2: He traveled with the team and obviously he was working,
Speaker 2: rehabbing and whatnot.
Speaker 5: But I think he's back. He starts starts with him Miller.
Speaker 3: You can't take Ventral Miller off the field. He's your
Speaker 3: best linebacker.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I think he has to stay on the field.
Speaker 2: I'm curious if they will that.
Speaker 5: That is why that's interesting, is because you're admitting a mistake.
Speaker 3: Then forget about the mistake, Tony.
Speaker 5: We're in the same ballpark. You're preaching to the choir.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know how you know how this
Speaker 1: league works.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know good teams do, Pete. They put
Speaker 3: the best players in the field. They put the guys
Speaker 3: will give you the best chance of winning. And right now,
Speaker 3: your best linebacker is Ventro Miller. I don't care where
Speaker 3: he was drafted. I don't care where everyone else is drafted.
Speaker 3: I don't care what picks you trained to pick other people.
Speaker 3: I don't care what you're paying other people. Vent Trel
Speaker 3: Miller is your best linebacker.
Speaker 1: And and so what do you do with Lloyd? Let
Speaker 1: him rotate? In with the hockey players.
Speaker 3: Put him at Sam. I think he's a Sam. Anyways,
Speaker 3: he's a strong he's a strong line linebacker. That's what
Speaker 3: he is.
Speaker 1: And sit Mouma down.
Speaker 5: That's what you do.
Speaker 3: That would started on My starting lineup would be Ventre
Speaker 3: uh Foyer, figure out who's Mike, Who's well, I don't
Speaker 3: care whatever the other one does. Whatever each one does better.
Speaker 3: Foyer can play both. He's smart, he's I'm not saying
Speaker 3: the other guys are dombe, but Foyer is one of
Speaker 3: the smartest players in the league. And then put put
Speaker 3: put Devin Lloyd at Sam. That's what he played. He
Speaker 3: was on the line linebacker, and call like put him there.
Speaker 3: He's long, he's physical.
Speaker 5: I think he plays and he's terrible in coverage.
Speaker 3: He plays the run. He plays the run well.
Speaker 5: He hadn't kids plays to run really well.
Speaker 1: But he's terrible in coverage.
Speaker 3: And he did a good job in the run against
Speaker 3: the Patriots.
Speaker 1: That means he's only on the field.
Speaker 3: What Okay, put your best players out there, or at
Speaker 3: least the guy's playing the.
Speaker 1: Best right now. The choir is exactly what I would do.
Speaker 3: It's not that hard, peat, it's not Let's not make
Speaker 3: this more complicated. Let's not get into who got draft.
Speaker 1: And where and we traded.
Speaker 3: I don't I'm paying this guy this and stop. Who
Speaker 3: cares that? Will?
Speaker 5: I guarantee you there's somebody in that building that will
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 3: You know, the only thing that matters. So we talk
Speaker 3: like analytics are a big deal, though, aren't they. There's
Speaker 3: more analytics out there, and they're valuable and they tell
Speaker 3: you a lot and you learn a lot from analytics.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you the most important analytics in the NFL.
Speaker 3: It's called wins and losses because they tell you who
Speaker 3: you are, and that determines people's jobs at the end
Speaker 3: of the year, and that determines if you get a
Speaker 3: chance to play for the Lombardi Trophy. All that matters.
Speaker 3: You can you can talk about analytics until you're blue
Speaker 3: in the face. And I think they're important. I think
Speaker 3: we should take advantage of it and understand it and
Speaker 3: make decisions and learn from it and all that. I
Speaker 3: love it. I love what But let me tell you
Speaker 3: the most important and the only one that mattered, and
Speaker 3: it should influence every desci decision you make in an organization,
Speaker 3: from how you travel, how you practice, who you sign,
Speaker 3: what you do, what you eat, where you sleep, what
Speaker 3: your everything is. Wins and losses, Whatever gives you the
Speaker 3: best chance of winning. That's who you put on the field,
Speaker 3: that nothing else else. I don't care when you drafted them,
Speaker 3: I don't care how much money you paid them, if
Speaker 3: you made a mistake, whatever, it's over. Who gives you
Speaker 3: the best chance of winning. That's it.
Speaker 1: Wins and losses. And you know what else wins and
Speaker 1: losses does? It tells you you're getting flexed or flexed
Speaker 1: out of Sunday Night football.
Speaker 2: We're all getting our Sunday evening back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, weeks ago, that's I.
Speaker 3: Told you guys, we're gonna flexed. Yeah, it's been back
Speaker 3: to back years we've been flexing Sunday Night. As someone
Speaker 3: who loves this order, I believe we got flex last.
Speaker 2: Year too play Sunday Night.
Speaker 1: The Ravens played, They played the ravensday.
Speaker 3: I thought we got.
Speaker 2: Flexed later before we had completely faun apart.
Speaker 1: Now we were.
Speaker 3: We played.
Speaker 1: Actually the Sunday Night game is the number one seed
Speaker 1: in the that's.
Speaker 2: Right, we're talking about it. Buy at that point, Well,
Speaker 2: do we have to.
Speaker 3: Talk this year? I don't like that. It's not a
Speaker 3: good look. You don't want to be flexed. That means
Speaker 3: you're not a good team.
Speaker 1: Never.
Speaker 2: All right, we're heading into break. We'll talk a little
Speaker 2: bit of more, got some coaching advice for both Tony
Speaker 2: and Pete, and we'll talk a little bit more about
Speaker 2: that fourth down. Doug Peterson loves to go for it
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Speaker 3: To go back to the decision.
Speaker 4: I mean, I was riding the momentum of what we
Speaker 4: were doing leading up to that point. Our offensive line
Speaker 4: was was really you know, taking control of the game
Speaker 4: at that point, and I felt like just putting it
Speaker 4: in their hands one more time, getting the first down
Speaker 4: right there and potentially you know, ice the game at
Speaker 4: that point. But they went down, scored, we get the
Speaker 4: ball back, and you still got to play football, and.
Speaker 1: That's this is just a message.
Speaker 4: You still got to continue to play, and we were
Speaker 4: able to do that.
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Speaker 2: was riding the momentum. Tony Beselli said he would ride
Speaker 2: the momentum. This is this is amidst all the run
Speaker 2: plays back to back to back to back.
Speaker 3: Yep, I admitted I was wrong.
Speaker 2: And they didn't convert. I mean, if they convert, we
Speaker 2: never talked about it.
Speaker 3: But that's why Pete would have talked about it. Still,
Speaker 3: that's his credit. He would have He's consistent.
Speaker 2: Is that an analytics thing or is that just Doug
Speaker 2: being Doug.
Speaker 1: That's just Doug being Doug. Because the analytics will tell
Speaker 1: you to kick the field goal.
Speaker 3: You always go up three possessions.
Speaker 5: I mean, if it's in the if it's in the
Speaker 5: first half or whatever.
Speaker 1: Maybe, but in that situation, you have to go up
Speaker 1: three because are they even gonna Are they even going
Speaker 1: to get three possessions the rest of the game?
Speaker 3: Probably not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think he made a major mistake there,
Speaker 1: and and and I think if he pinned him down
Speaker 1: on it, he would admit he made a mistake.
Speaker 3: I did. I made a mistake, not that I had
Speaker 3: anything to do with them, but I didn go for it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why you should never have a damn headset
Speaker 1: on your head.
Speaker 3: No, that's not true, Pete. There's probably other reasons I shouldn't,
Speaker 3: but that's not the one of them.
Speaker 2: That's not the key one.
Speaker 3: There's more important ones than that.
Speaker 5: You know, somebody needs to talk him down sometimes, that's
Speaker 5: that's part of the problem.
Speaker 1: He needs a guy, said that, Tony. I've said that
Speaker 1: for years. They need to have an analytics guy standing
Speaker 1: right next to him saying, don't do it, do not
Speaker 1: do it, don't do it, Doug.
Speaker 3: You know who makes you know who else in the
Speaker 3: NFL makes calls like that sometimes?
Speaker 2: Who's this?
Speaker 3: Probably the guy coaching the best team in the NFL,
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell.
Speaker 5: And here's the thing about Dan Campbell doing it.
Speaker 1: You don't need to do it anymore.
Speaker 3: No he doesn't. But that's who.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Well he didn't, then they didn't go to the super
Speaker 2: Bowl too.
Speaker 1: I mean, right, he cost him a chance to go
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl because of.
Speaker 3: His I'm not saying right or wrong, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: that's another guy who does it. So I'm saying Doug's
Speaker 3: not the only coach here.
Speaker 5: And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: When you're a young team coming up like the Lions,
Speaker 1: the coach needs to do things like that, to try
Speaker 1: and instill some culture and some belief and everything. When
Speaker 1: you're good team like the Lions.
Speaker 5: You don't need to do it.
Speaker 1: That guy faked the punt his own end last night
Speaker 1: yesterday on the twenty something yard line and he got
Speaker 1: stuffed and they got a touchdown two plays later.
Speaker 3: You don't do You don't need to do that, and
Speaker 3: they still won.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, pretty easily good.
Speaker 3: They're really good. Just to clean something up. Obviously, guys
Speaker 3: were right. We did not get flex last year. I
Speaker 3: was thinking of. I was thinking of twenty eighteen after
Speaker 3: we had a really good twenty seventeen. It was the
Speaker 3: first Sunday night game we'd had in a long time,
Speaker 3: and we got flexed in eighteen, so.
Speaker 2: We've been doing good. We had all those primetime games
Speaker 2: last year, one this year, all of them, all of them.
Speaker 2: You know what they need to do on Thursday night football, everyone.
Speaker 3: Pretty much everyone.
Speaker 2: Has except for us Monday Monday and then you get
Speaker 2: their two London games, so technically national.
Speaker 3: We're not going to say that I do not consider
Speaker 3: London games national.
Speaker 2: Well, last year when last time we had Monday night football,
Speaker 2: when I got here, people I said something on Monday Football,
Speaker 2: Monday Night Football, and they were like, oh, we've never
Speaker 2: like we don't have it. I'm like, oh, we we.
Speaker 3: Used to all the time.
Speaker 5: You get they should tell NBC.
Speaker 1: Look, if you're gonna put us on Sunday Night Football,
Speaker 1: make sure it's like in the first month, then we
Speaker 1: can't mess it up.
Speaker 3: We can't get flexed. Yeah that's fair enough. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just it's disappointing getting flexed. I just hate it because
Speaker 3: it's just it's it's a down, or because it just
Speaker 3: kind of speaks to the season you're having. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's not the end of the world or anything. I mean,
Speaker 3: go win, go.
Speaker 1: In, go in, go win four in a row and
Speaker 1: maybe you'll get something flex back in. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go win four and oh you're six and five.
Speaker 3: My goodness, that would change a lot of things. Interesting.
Speaker 2: We love a comeback story. Everybody does.
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's get let's get it. Are you locking it?
Speaker 3: You're gonna lock to that?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. And I do want to apologize for the
Speaker 2: double lock.
Speaker 3: Wells Kay's fault. She double lock. My single locks are
Speaker 3: never wrong. Kai screwed it up.
Speaker 2: It was all my fun, all right.
Speaker 5: When we come back.
Speaker 2: We'll talk are another victory Monday for Jaguars Happy Hour
Speaker 2: and thanks for joining us in the Jaguars Digital Network today.
Speaker 8: With us, they were in basically cover four quarters look
Speaker 8: and safeties were low, and that was honestly the look
Speaker 8: we were wanting for that play, and we had another
Speaker 8: option if that wasn't the coverage and the situation. But
Speaker 8: Brian did a great job of just running at the corner,
Speaker 8: keeping outside leverage and just running and then I'd put
Speaker 8: it out there and let him go make a players
Speaker 8: a great catch. You know, he's he's good. He's been
Speaker 8: making a lot of plays for us, so it's it's
Speaker 8: fun to watch him. It's fun to play with them
Speaker 8: and just to see him get better every week. We
Speaker 8: got to keep using them.
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Speaker 2: Happy Hour, Jaguar's got to win this. Another victory Monday
Speaker 2: for them, a win over the Patriots in their second
Speaker 2: game in London. So they're coming back from London one
Speaker 2: and one and Trevor Lawrence right there talking about his
Speaker 2: throw to Brian Thomas Junior over the middle, which was
Speaker 2: the prettiest throw I've seen in quite some time from him.
Speaker 2: Just a great connection between both of them and only
Speaker 2: a couple of games so far the season, so yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's that's one of those. That's one of those
Speaker 3: examples of everyone on the play doing a great job,
Speaker 3: including Gonzalez.
Speaker 2: The corner, who's amazing. So that even better because he
Speaker 2: played it perfectly as well.
Speaker 3: So it was great protection, great play call, so they
Speaker 3: got the right play call, off play action pass, good
Speaker 3: job up front, great job by Trevor recognizing the coverage
Speaker 3: and making it just a perfect throw. The athletic ability
Speaker 3: in the route by Brian Thomas Junior outstanding. It was
Speaker 3: really good coverage and you watch that in slow motion,
Speaker 3: like the fact that Gonzales his arms right there and
Speaker 3: the concentration by Brian to bring it in with a
Speaker 3: perfect throw. It was just one of those rare football
Speaker 3: plays like if you're Christian Gonzalez. It's like I made
Speaker 3: everything he could. I it's a perfect throw against a
Speaker 3: really good young receiver. It's really fast, and I made
Speaker 3: a play on the ball. I just missed it by
Speaker 3: an inch. Brian made a better play because he had
Speaker 3: better He had great concentration looking all the way in
Speaker 3: with the It was just it was a really it
Speaker 3: was a great play and a great play call. And
Speaker 3: I give a lot of credit to Trevor and Brian
Speaker 3: for executing.
Speaker 1: Well done and executing it is one thing.
Speaker 5: But the best part about that is calling it.
Speaker 2: Are you complimenting the play calling?
Speaker 1: I am I know I got a whole list of
Speaker 1: critical critical play calling over here, But.
Speaker 3: People, what did you not like about the play calling?
Speaker 3: Except for the fourth down? I thought the play calling
Speaker 3: was outstanding on Sunday probably.
Speaker 1: Let me let me see, No, the runs are fine.
Speaker 1: I like the runs. I didn't have any problem with that.
Speaker 1: What about when they.
Speaker 3: Went back to bubbles?
Speaker 1: I know it was it.
Speaker 5: Was no, it was it was bubble screen to the left.
Speaker 3: Yep, it was bubble screen to the left to the
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas, then bubble screen, and then.
Speaker 1: It was a reverse to Brian Thomas and then it
Speaker 1: was another bubble screen to Evan Ingram, four straight plays.
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was bubble reverse
Speaker 1: written down somewhere in here.
Speaker 3: I thought it was bubble reverse bubbles what I thought it.
Speaker 1: Was when the game there was four?
Speaker 5: No, there was four of them? Was it really four?
Speaker 1: Yes? And it made me puke. I'm watching that, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is this garbage?
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I thought it was third quarter?
Speaker 5: It was, and I wrote it down to where did
Speaker 5: I put it?
Speaker 3: It doesn't count beat. If you can't remember it, you're out.
Speaker 3: You can't criticize it. You don't have it, You're you're
Speaker 3: You're like a mad scientist. You can't find his notes.
Speaker 5: Well, because I got notes on everything.
Speaker 2: He's very well researched. We'll give him that.
Speaker 3: Very very disorganized though.
Speaker 5: No, but I because I have notes on other stuff.
Speaker 5: I'm organized.
Speaker 3: No, there's don't give any credits this organization. Poor professional
Speaker 3: third quarter, third quarter, bubble screen.
Speaker 9: To Thomas, bubblescreen, bubble screen left to Thomas, bubble screen
Speaker 9: right to Thomas, reverse to Thomas, bubble to Ingram.
Speaker 1: Poor straight You see that guy on the place.
Speaker 3: They liked it. They like to look it's awful. Now
Speaker 3: in fairness depressed.
Speaker 1: Okay, fairness, they picked up one first down with it.
Speaker 1: What else Trevor Lawrence bailed him out on the second
Speaker 1: little grouping over there because he uh, he had to
Speaker 1: scramble for whatever yards he scrambled for on that one play.
Speaker 3: But one of the just so you know, one of
Speaker 3: those bubbles was not called. It was checked too, because, uh,
Speaker 3: the Jaguars offense had the Patriots out leveraged with trips
Speaker 3: and that I believe that's the one Brian Thomas got
Speaker 3: the first down, so they they had out leveraged the
Speaker 3: Patriots defense. Hold on, they finished, let me finish. A
Speaker 3: different play was called. Trevor at the line of scrimm
Speaker 3: is checked to it. So that's not on press. That's
Speaker 3: a check by the quarterback based on a look.
Speaker 1: It was success.
Speaker 5: Is it a run pass option? Is that what it is?
Speaker 3: No, he checked at the line of scrimmage. He saw something.
Speaker 3: They had a look where they had out leveraged the defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it looked like so they some of those
Speaker 1: are run pass options.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: But I think anyway, the reverses, those little those reverses.
Speaker 1: Gotta stopped to just throw the ball down the field.
Speaker 1: You got a big arm quarterback and he a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: runs like a gazelle throwing the damn ball down the field.
Speaker 3: He does, My goodness, and the fact that.
Speaker 1: He could run the way he runs.
Speaker 5: Kirk's play were I think, you know, God, you said that.
Speaker 1: Was such a beautiful throw, and it was a beautiful
Speaker 1: throw to to Brian Thomas.
Speaker 5: The throw to Kirk was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: From a quarter pill. Yes. Yeah, we had to put
Speaker 1: that perfectly over the linebacker and put it in a
Speaker 1: spot where the safety can't come up and blast him.
Speaker 1: Those open up because Thomas has the ability to go
Speaker 1: down the field and Tony.
Speaker 3: Well the other way. To be clear, the other reason
Speaker 3: that opened up it was off play action fake It
Speaker 3: held the linebackers long enough to create the space.
Speaker 5: I get it, but they hadn't they hadn't really run
Speaker 5: the ball.
Speaker 3: But the action held them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: You can use play action if you can if you
Speaker 1: do get the run game going. I liked play action,
Speaker 1: but shots with play action I like that, And and
Speaker 1: you know what they ran into, you know, in another thing,
Speaker 1: I'll give him credit for I'm gonna give another more credit.
Speaker 1: I'm giving them credit. Why ripping them for the four?
Speaker 3: This is good. I like this positive with not.
Speaker 5: A bunched up formation on the goal line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you like that spread. Look I wanted them to
Speaker 3: get up under center and.
Speaker 2: Just pound like an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: That's all that is?
Speaker 3: Well okay, at least I'm honest. Yes, you're right, that's
Speaker 3: what I wanted to do. I'm not saying, but can
Speaker 3: they do that with the personality? Have no but pete
Speaker 3: in fairness, that's how everyone used to do it. More
Speaker 3: people do it the way you like it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I see more people in shotguns spread out on first
Speaker 3: and goal from the one than I do getting up
Speaker 3: in big people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, it's getting that way, but it's
Speaker 5: still not.
Speaker 1: This team doesn't do it enough. I don't think. I think,
Speaker 1: considering the troubles they've had in short yardist situations, they
Speaker 1: should do it more.
Speaker 10: Fair And you know one other thing you mentioned earlier, Tony,
Speaker 10: the fielding to punt inside the five that has become
Speaker 10: an epid demic in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Remember it used to be you put your heels on
Speaker 3: the ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let it go everybody's fielding punts inside the inside
Speaker 1: the ten and even at the five. You know the Packers.
Speaker 1: When you watch the tape of the Packers next week,
Speaker 1: they did it. Romeo Dobbs fielded up No, no, the
Speaker 1: other kid, the slot corner fielded a punt. The slot
Speaker 1: receiver fielded a punt at the three yard line three yesterday.
Speaker 3: But when he fielded it and it was like an
Speaker 3: over the shoulder ketch him was because it was a
Speaker 3: boomy punt. Yeah, and like so his his momentum was
Speaker 3: taking him in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is he doing?
Speaker 3: And it went and then halfway through him, like thank goodness.
Speaker 3: Actually wasn't over the shoulder, but.
Speaker 1: It was this is this is I mean this one
Speaker 1: he I don't when you look at this one and
Speaker 1: you say, okay, why is he fielding it there?
Speaker 5: He feeled that because he saw that it was a
Speaker 5: giant hole right in front of him.
Speaker 3: Were the Patriots playing with eight guys on the field
Speaker 3: because no one even got near them. No, it was
Speaker 3: so well blocked. But those are.
Speaker 1: But it also goes to this part of the equation,
Speaker 1: why the hell did you spend all that money on
Speaker 1: Devin DuVernay. Anything, give me something on that they knew
Speaker 1: they had this kid and he was a returner.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they trust I don't think the
Speaker 3: trust is there. I think the trust is there.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Do they trust him?
Speaker 1: Now? That's how you find returners. You draft them, develop them,
Speaker 1: and trust them. Here's here's where I think this came
Speaker 1: into play. Ready, you know what I think. I think
Speaker 1: they overthought it. And here's why. I think they thought.
Speaker 1: If they get Dubernay, they're gonna be ahead of the
Speaker 1: curve on the kickoff rules, and we're gonna have two
Speaker 1: guys and we're gonna set the trend and this and
Speaker 1: this and this and everything else, and the reality is
Speaker 1: all anybody does on those kickoffs boom.
Speaker 2: I think they definitely overestimated. I don't know if just
Speaker 2: the Dagwars, but I think everybody kind of did what
Speaker 2: this kick was gonna do.
Speaker 1: I know the thinking of that. I know the thinking.
Speaker 5: That's what that.
Speaker 1: Thinking had to be, because there's no way you're giving
Speaker 1: if you knew this kid could do with that, and
Speaker 1: we saw glimming.
Speaker 3: Little or you saw in the preseason. You saw the
Speaker 3: great kickoff return the first preseason.
Speaker 2: Because he was doing all the kickoff the preseason.
Speaker 1: So bottom line is they wasted the money on Devin
Speaker 1: dover Day.
Speaker 3: How much are they paying, Pete.
Speaker 1: I remember it's like two years and like eight million,
Speaker 1: eight and a half million or something like that.
Speaker 3: So too much four year?
Speaker 5: Yeah, no bang for the buck.
Speaker 3: We don't know that yet. He had a great return,
Speaker 3: had a great return in the gameturner.
Speaker 1: You don't pay a returner.
Speaker 3: They paid him in today's money, not a lot of money, Pete.
Speaker 1: And he had by the hand sitting on the bench.
Speaker 3: Okay, but dun is a good return and he helped
Speaker 3: us win the game against the Colts with a great return.
Speaker 1: That's set up a touchdown returner.
Speaker 3: You were so negative, Pete. We won the day game.
Speaker 2: We got a couple of compliments.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've been so negative on this show because
Speaker 3: they deserved it. Like now you're still attacking, give me
Speaker 3: a blank.
Speaker 5: I'm a realist. Somebody's got to bring some levity to
Speaker 5: the program.
Speaker 1: When you're waving your bomp bombs.
Speaker 3: Up levity, Well, there's a difference between realism and levity.
Speaker 3: If you're lefty means you're joking, joking. There's no joking
Speaker 3: with you. You're serious, Pete.
Speaker 2: You like him as a returner, and you talk about
Speaker 2: Kirk being available if someone calls about it. Do you
Speaker 2: feel like Parker can fill that role right now?
Speaker 1: Yes? I do.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Look, he's not going to be Christian Kirk. But if
Speaker 1: somebody makes an offer to you it's desperate for a
Speaker 1: wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Well, it depends. Tell me what happens this week first, guys,
Speaker 3: can we like it like we won a game? If
Speaker 3: we win this week, let's wait.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Tony always got to be prepared for every scenario.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm prepared, but I'm trying to like hang in
Speaker 3: there because it's been a miserable year so far, and
Speaker 3: trying to hang in there that we can find a
Speaker 3: way to beat the Pas, A good team. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think I'm trying to do. I'm not saying, Pete, I
Speaker 3: agree with you. If you lose this week, the phone's
Speaker 3: ring and I'm listening. But until then, I'm holding off,
Speaker 3: unless obviously, if someone comes off.
Speaker 1: What do you listen? What are you listening to? You
Speaker 1: getting calls for what? I don't know? You got something
Speaker 1: to tell us?
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying I was I was speaking to what
Speaker 3: you were saying.
Speaker 5: Are you leaving the program on us?
Speaker 1: What do you know?
Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere. I'm saying. I'm going back to
Speaker 3: what you said. If people call you, listen, if you
Speaker 3: lose this game. That's what we said the last hour.
Speaker 3: Am I not right? Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 1: By the way, Jacksonville, leave me alone. I know nothing.
Speaker 1: So that's all I'm gonna say on that.
Speaker 3: Can me too? You drug me into this, Pete.
Speaker 1: I didn't drag anybody into anything.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Somebody made a fake d M or something and I
Speaker 1: had nothing to be out of it. I think it's
Speaker 1: you know what I really believe that is.
Speaker 5: I think that's.
Speaker 1: Wishful thinking on a lot of people's parts. I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the Jags, big victory, Green Bay. We got,
Speaker 3: we know what we need to do. What are we
Speaker 3: keeping it real?
Speaker 2: We're keeping it real very soon shortly eventually, remember going
Speaker 2: to keep it real about you know what?
Speaker 3: Offensive line? The offensive line played great, Walker Little played great.
Speaker 3: Mitch Morris, who's been their best offensive line, and at
Speaker 3: his worst.
Speaker 1: Game Cleveland was okay, not great, and he had a
Speaker 1: couple of like on the fourth on the fourth and
Speaker 1: one was ugly, fourth one abused. One of those plays,
Speaker 1: sherif some good moments of bad moments, and I thought
Speaker 1: Harrison was actually pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I saw live and I saw the
Speaker 3: replay of the Cleveland play on the fourth and one.
Speaker 3: I looked at Logavan and I said, I've been there before.
Speaker 3: That's one of those plays. When it happens, you're like,
Speaker 3: I hope that play gets cut out of the film
Speaker 3: because I don't want to watch that ever again. It's like,
Speaker 3: there's certain plays as an offensive lineman, and anyone who's
Speaker 3: played the position, anyone the greatest, the guys in the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, to guys who get one, you know,
Speaker 3: play just one season. If you've ever played the position,
Speaker 3: I don't care who you are. You've been in a
Speaker 3: situation where you have a play in a game and
Speaker 3: the first thought is you're like, oh no, that's on tape.
Speaker 3: I don't want to ever see that again because it's
Speaker 3: just a bad play. You're at a position, maybe get
Speaker 3: too high, you get pushed. It's just it's miserable. And
Speaker 3: I think Ezra Cleveland's played playing good football this year.
Speaker 1: And he had a good game in a lot of areas.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I watched him in the run game. They
Speaker 3: ran left into it behind him and Luke. I mean.
Speaker 5: They did a great job on their doubles.
Speaker 3: Yes, doubles. You thought we didn't hear that changed it
Speaker 3: to Walker. But here's the other thing. Tony and he
Speaker 3: had some great polls. On the touchdown, he had a
Speaker 3: great poll I mean so, but that was a bad one.
Speaker 1: A couple of them though, like on that. I think
Speaker 1: it was on the fourth down run, the third down run.
Speaker 1: The same thing shows up that we get annoyed about.
Speaker 5: Anton has to.
Speaker 1: Watch on his man's watching his guy. Remember his guy
Speaker 1: came down the line and kind of got the legs
Speaker 1: of the guy as he on the back before he
Speaker 1: can really get going.
Speaker 5: They gotta they gotta be careful of that.
Speaker 3: They do that a lot buying tickets. Can we I'm
Speaker 3: keeping it real, can we? Cause we uh, let's talk
Speaker 3: about the Green Bay game. I want to hear from.
Speaker 2: You, Pete, because you want producer over here.
Speaker 3: I'm asking you want I've watched a little bit. I've
Speaker 3: not watched the tape. You watch a lot more of
Speaker 3: these teams. You know, week in and week out, how
Speaker 3: does this team how do because we haven't beat a
Speaker 3: We beat the Colts, but by three they were beat up.
Speaker 3: But this is We're playing a good football team this week. Yes,
Speaker 3: playoff caliber team.
Speaker 1: Pete.
Speaker 3: What does this team need to do to be We.
Speaker 2: Are going to do that after the break round absolutely
Speaker 2: around the second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour and victory Monday,
Speaker 2: will keep it real, send it by mister Chubby's wings.
Speaker 8: Again.
Speaker 4: We got in a situation where we were down, you know,
Speaker 4: we were down ten, but but nobody was like, you know,
Speaker 4: here we go again, or defeated or you know, had
Speaker 4: negative thoughts. It was just just one play at a
Speaker 4: time or work ourselves back in it. And and offense
Speaker 4: went out and we we showed the complimentary aspect of
Speaker 4: the game today, you know, in all three phases.
Speaker 3: And that's what it.
Speaker 1: That's what it. You know.
Speaker 4: I'm uh the spark that you know, hopefully we can
Speaker 4: get this thing going.
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Speaker 1: Pete.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with you because I know you watch
Speaker 2: all the league, all the games. Is it realistic if
Speaker 2: this team doesn't make mistakes? Can they beat the Packers
Speaker 2: this coming week?
Speaker 1: Well, they better be better on the back end defending
Speaker 1: the pass. This is a good pass offense, and I
Speaker 1: don't we haven't still haven't seen the best of it
Speaker 1: yet because Jordan Love was coming off that knee injury
Speaker 1: and for a couple of weeks he was kind of
Speaker 1: dragging a little bit. But you're starting to see little
Speaker 1: bits and pieces where he looks like Jordan Love again
Speaker 1: from last year. And they have good receivers. Christian Watson
Speaker 1: can fly and much like I talked to you guys
Speaker 1: about Brian Thomas clearing out with his ability to get deep,
Speaker 1: that's what Christian Watson does to their offense. And then
Speaker 1: they have so many guys underneath, and they have good
Speaker 1: tight ends. I mean they can catch the ball and
Speaker 1: catch the ball in the passing game as well, So
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a real and Jacob's runs hard.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be.
Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs is a good back and they got a
Speaker 3: good offensive line, so that this rush defense, who's done
Speaker 3: pretty good for the most part of stopping the run,
Speaker 3: especially this past Sunday they dominated, It's gonna be tested.
Speaker 3: And my fear is if the Packers get the run
Speaker 3: past like two things going, I think it's not gonna
Speaker 3: be good.
Speaker 5: It could be, it could be, it could get loose.
Speaker 1: That game can get high sched.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm worried about because we have not
Speaker 3: like even if you look at the Patriots game, we
Speaker 3: didn't consistently rush Drake may He had too much time,
Speaker 3: especially early in that game. And that's an awful offensive line.
Speaker 3: This is a good offensive line, better receivers, better quarterback,
Speaker 3: and if they get the run like that's my biggest concern.
Speaker 3: If we I think you have to make him long
Speaker 3: dimension one dimension, you have to get him third long situations,
Speaker 3: and you have to get off the field. This team
Speaker 3: has not being able to get off the field. We
Speaker 3: don't get turnovers, we don't get up on third down
Speaker 3: very well, especially early so that needs to change. And
Speaker 3: then offensively, Pete the Packers defense, I don't know much
Speaker 3: about them.
Speaker 5: They hadn't been up until they.
Speaker 3: Got a lot of pressure last week in CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 1: What were they doing?
Speaker 3: Were they blitzing or they just rushing forth?
Speaker 5: Oh, they got after them.
Speaker 1: The Texas had problems with their offensive line on Sunday,
Speaker 1: and I haven't watched that tape yet, but it looked
Speaker 1: like on the TV when I was watching it they
Speaker 1: were And that had been a criticism of the Packers
Speaker 1: up until that point. That the pass rushers Rashaun Gary
Speaker 1: and Preston Smith and those guys, Yeah they're good players,
Speaker 1: but they hadn't been winning.
Speaker 5: That started to come together.
Speaker 1: Having Alexander back at corner helps at you know, because
Speaker 1: it makes them slow down the reads and you can't
Speaker 1: get the ball out. So it helped the pass rush.
Speaker 1: But that's a good defense. They have some young players.
Speaker 1: Evan Williams of safety on the back end is a
Speaker 1: really good rookie safety from Oregon's good player.
Speaker 5: They're athletic, they can run, they you know. And then
Speaker 5: they saw some veterans.
Speaker 1: You know, there's some veterans on the you know, like
Speaker 1: you mentioned Presto Smith, Kenny Clark, get guys up front,
Speaker 1: they could get after it.
Speaker 5: So it's gonna be a challenge for that offense. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for them to win this week, Guy,
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna stop the pack the Packers.
Speaker 3: I think the Packers are gonna like I think this,
Speaker 3: And if you look at and Doug said something aout
Speaker 3: complamentary football as we came out of the last break,
Speaker 3: and I agree with them. But what kicked off that
Speaker 3: complmentary football. It was the offense. It was Trevor, it
Speaker 3: was Brian Thomas Junior, was Tank Bigsby was that offensive line,
Speaker 3: and I think the offensive line for the rest of
Speaker 3: the year. If they want to get on any kind
Speaker 3: of run and start stacking wins, I think it has
Speaker 3: to be the offense. I think the offense has to
Speaker 3: come out fast. I actually would take the ball first
Speaker 3: almost because this we give up more points.
Speaker 2: You're steven.
Speaker 3: We give up more points than any other team in
Speaker 3: the NFL, and the opening drives of games more than
Speaker 3: anybody defensively. So let's take the ball first and see
Speaker 3: if we can get that fast start. And get going
Speaker 3: and set the tone. And I think this is one
Speaker 3: of those games, guys, that we're gonna have to win.
Speaker 3: Thirty one to twenty eight, twenty eight, twenty four. I
Speaker 3: mean it's gonna be in the high twenties, low thirties.
Speaker 3: And offensively, I think the onus is on them because Pete,
Speaker 3: I just don't see us getting enough pressure. And then
Speaker 3: you have a good offense line with a really good
Speaker 3: back in Josh Jacobs who is a power back downhill, physical.
Speaker 1: And if they get and good receivers.
Speaker 3: And if they get it going, like I just I
Speaker 3: don't see us getting a bunch of stops and so
Speaker 3: got to get a turnover here there, that'd be nice.
Speaker 3: But I think the onus is on the offense this week.
Speaker 3: The offense has to start fast and come out and
Speaker 3: saying we're gonna be in a heavyweight fight. Let's go.
Speaker 3: It is on our backs and defensive, give us a
Speaker 3: couple steal possession, get a turnover, give us a couple
Speaker 3: of stops, and let us go to work. I think
Speaker 3: I would take the ball first. I think this week
Speaker 3: I would play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would take arm I would make Armstead start
Speaker 1: at defensive three. Technique. If you look at the Packers
Speaker 1: defensive offensive line, the center is just okay and the
Speaker 1: right guard is just okay. That's that's the week.
Speaker 3: That's the weekly. Yeah, okay. I haven't watched the tape,
Speaker 3: so I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: But it tackles a really good player, and the left
Speaker 1: tackle has is okay. The left guard is really good. Jenkin,
Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins, you remember him. He's a good, very good player.
Speaker 3: And this is what I mean. Pete, uh, Doug Peterson's
Speaker 3: talked about it. You know, we're two and five. We've
Speaker 3: won two of the last three. Now, you could argue
Speaker 3: we beat a winning team in the Colts there four
Speaker 3: and three. However, that may be the.
Speaker 1: First four and three team I've ever seen, by the way.
Speaker 5: I'm serious.
Speaker 3: They just got flex the Sunday night, Bete, they're going.
Speaker 1: I know, but they lost. They beat the Dolphins barely
Speaker 1: by That team with the Huntley went out and they
Speaker 1: played the backup quarterback and held on for dear life.
Speaker 1: It's not a good team.
Speaker 3: But I mean, this is like, if you want to
Speaker 3: start stacking them, you better get it here because like
Speaker 3: it does not get easier. You got to go to Philly,
Speaker 3: which is a tough place to play. Now, the Phillies
Speaker 3: beat up a little bit on the offensive line. But
Speaker 3: then you got the Vikings, who were you know, we're
Speaker 3: beating the Lions early.
Speaker 5: And what's the four games? The four game stretches brut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen to this. Three of the four against the
Speaker 3: best division in football, the NFC North. So you got
Speaker 3: this week the Packers at home. Then you go to
Speaker 3: the I believe, the leading NFC East team, The Eagles
Speaker 3: have the best record in the NFC East, first place Eagles.
Speaker 1: They're tied with the Washington Okay, but.
Speaker 3: They're tied for first right. Then you go come home
Speaker 3: to this King Vikings, who are a five win team.
Speaker 3: Then you go to Detroit, who I think is the
Speaker 3: best team in the NFL. Like if the Detroit Lions
Speaker 3: are paying the Chiefs, I'm picking the Lions.
Speaker 1: I'm without without Hutchinson, I am they better go get
Speaker 1: They should go get Max Crosby.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a chance before we play them, they're gonna
Speaker 3: have traded for a pass rusher. Whether I don't think,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Think that shows up. Believe me, that shows up. It
Speaker 1: showed up in a big way.
Speaker 3: I get that. But I don't think they get Crosby.
Speaker 3: I think they go get.
Speaker 1: Smith.
Speaker 3: I think they get Zadarius Smith from Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not good enough.
Speaker 3: But can they afford Crosby? Can they fit him in
Speaker 3: the cap?
Speaker 1: If you're all in this team, is this team?
Speaker 5: You're right?
Speaker 1: This team can win a Super Bowl year. He'll get Crosby.
Speaker 3: I would listen if they can fit it, because I
Speaker 3: do believe this is the best team in football. And
Speaker 3: if you get with a pass rusher, and if you
Speaker 3: can afford cap wise, go give a second rounder and
Speaker 3: go get Crosby, because I think you can get him
Speaker 3: for a second rounder.
Speaker 1: I would. I would do that. And it's because you
Speaker 1: had to give up one and you think you're gonna
Speaker 1: be good late one. Go get him for that too.
Speaker 3: You noticed Crosby set out this week, and that guy
Speaker 3: doesn't sit out for anything.
Speaker 5: And you know what else he did? No, he played
Speaker 5: this week?
Speaker 3: Oh did the end up? He did, but he didn't
Speaker 3: practice all week.
Speaker 5: Sorry, you know what he did?
Speaker 3: He didn't practice all week. But they came out.
Speaker 1: He said he's open to be a Drade because he's
Speaker 1: going to be a part of the rebuild.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. He wants out.
Speaker 5: I can't play Detroit.
Speaker 1: I get him and make it happen, because with him
Speaker 1: they can win a super Bowl. If they don't get
Speaker 1: a guy like Crosby, they're not winning a super Bowl.
Speaker 3: They're good on offense, so my goodness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've made they've They've made Jared Goff into
Speaker 1: the big time, big time MVP Candidy.
Speaker 3: They got two start backs, they got an offensive line.
Speaker 3: I mean, they are good. Now, here's the funny thing
Speaker 3: about the NFL. Though we are saying this right now,
Speaker 3: but the league is funny. And I'm not wishing this
Speaker 3: on anybody, but every team, every team is one or
Speaker 3: two key injuries away from being very average. That's that's
Speaker 3: the sad part. But that's the beauty of the NFL
Speaker 3: because you don't know until you get to December.
Speaker 2: It's a survival test making that far and playing your
Speaker 2: best football at the right time.
Speaker 3: Right now, they're the best team, But in my.
Speaker 1: Opinion, the Chiefs are the best team. I don't think
Speaker 1: so that defense is dark good Ton. I know they
Speaker 1: look ordinary on Sunday well.
Speaker 3: But they were also without Trent Williams got ejected, which
Speaker 3: both guys should have got both guys. Both guys should
Speaker 3: have got ejected. Ayuk blues the out. They don't have
Speaker 3: Christoph McCaffrey.
Speaker 5: He played, I know, but up until this point he's
Speaker 5: played pretty good football without those guys. Samuel was sick.
Speaker 3: He didn't play Samuel's I mean they were without their
Speaker 3: Come on, I mean, let's not make too much out
Speaker 3: of them beaten.
Speaker 1: And you know they hadn't run the ball. The same
Speaker 1: offensive line was there. They couldn't run ball.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying the Chiefs aren't good.
Speaker 2: I think the Chiefs are impresive at this point because
Speaker 2: they can always find a way no matter what.
Speaker 3: The fact that what's crazy about the Chiefs and we
Speaker 3: don't play them, which I'm happy about, is Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 3: has six touchdowns and eight interceptions and and they're undefeated.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 5: But you know what he can do if he needs
Speaker 5: to go get one.
Speaker 3: He that's the like this is and this is the
Speaker 3: next evolution that Trevor needs to take. When you have
Speaker 3: the ball in the fourth quarter and you have to
Speaker 3: go score, everyone in the stadium has to know you're
Speaker 3: gonna go score. Like there's certain guys in this league,
Speaker 3: like with like two or three minutes and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're going to go score. They're like, Mahomes, you can
Speaker 3: gotta go score. Josh Allen, He's gonna go find a
Speaker 3: way to score. I mean, there's certain guys. The Detroit
Speaker 3: Lions is a team behind Jared Goff. I mean, give
Speaker 3: him great. Did he end up with over one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty passeray again?
Speaker 1: No, but he's but he's his stats are amazing. He's
Speaker 1: the only quarterback. He has a completion presented at eighty
Speaker 1: three point five in the last four games, which is
Speaker 1: the highest ever. I mean, he's it's incredible. Do you
Speaker 1: realize he has They have scored more touchdowns and he
Speaker 1: has incompletions in the last four games.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Sixteen They fixed him. Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, What about that guy?
Speaker 3: Give him credit. That's the quarterback coach. Give Mark a
Speaker 3: lot of credits.
Speaker 5: Job with the quarterback too. I mean, look, Mark's a
Speaker 5: good quarterbacks coach.
Speaker 2: A bunch of love to go around.
Speaker 3: It goes back to keeping it real. This is the
Speaker 3: opportunity against a very good Packers team. Come into town
Speaker 3: where I want to win.
Speaker 1: You're legitimate win this.
Speaker 3: It changes the entire narrative of this season. It doesn't
Speaker 3: mean you're back in it, but you are now different.
Speaker 3: It's different. It feels different going to Philly. It feels
Speaker 3: different in the division, it feels different in the city.
Speaker 3: It feels different in this building. And I think this
Speaker 3: is an opportunity because I think it's gonna have to
Speaker 3: be the offense. I hope the defense plays better. I
Speaker 3: hope they clean things up. I hope they get up
Speaker 3: the field. I don't have a lot of confidence right now.
Speaker 3: That means offensively, Trevor. That line bigsby Brian Thomas Ingram
Speaker 3: and it starts with Trevor. This is the opportunity. Go
Speaker 3: take it to them and say, Hey, as an offense,
Speaker 3: we're putting this team on our back this week. We
Speaker 3: know we're playing against another good offense. We are gonna
Speaker 3: go score, We're gonna get into the thirties, and in
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter when we have the ball, we're gonna
Speaker 3: make the plays. Then it's gonna take the win. That's
Speaker 3: what we need to see this week, and that's what I.
Speaker 1: Hope we say this week and limit the bubble screens.
Speaker 2: For Pete's sake, only limit the bubble screens. All right,
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Speaker 2: everything just for Brian Thomas Junior talking a little bit
Speaker 2: about LSU wide receiver University Pete. Is Brian Thomas Junior
Speaker 2: the best wide receiver in this class?
Speaker 1: No, but he's close.
Speaker 5: His former teammate is the best wide receiver in this class.
Speaker 2: Could he be by the end of this year considering
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: Could he be by the end of his career. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll happen this year, but he
Speaker 1: could be.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think let's let's delineate between the best receiver
Speaker 3: in the best numbers. I could see Brian Thomas Junior
Speaker 3: putting up better numbers than the Molik Neighbors because of
Speaker 3: the quarterback he's dealing with.
Speaker 1: But I think.
Speaker 3: Neighbors was hurt. But based on when both had been
Speaker 3: on the field, it'd be as much as I love
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas Jr. And I do think he has the
Speaker 3: potential to be one of the best receivers in the
Speaker 3: I mean really good receiver in this league and upper echelon,
Speaker 3: I think it would be unfair and we'd be forgetting
Speaker 3: what Neighbors did the first four weeks when he was healthy.
Speaker 5: Not only that Neighbors was a better receiver at LSU.
Speaker 1: He was and so like, here's the thing, better than Harrison. Yes,
Speaker 1: right now and he will be. Look when he came out.
Speaker 1: I one thing about Marvin Harrison that bothered me is
Speaker 1: there's no real suddenness to his game. Brian Thomas and
Speaker 1: elite neighbors have suddenness. It matters, you know, and and
Speaker 1: so donsay in Chicago. He doesn't have real suddenness either.
Speaker 1: That's the difference between Brian. I think Brian Thomas is
Speaker 1: going to be one of the best receivers in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I think he's a real, true alpha number one receiver.
Speaker 3: If Brian Thomas to do that, he needs to continue
Speaker 3: to work, and he should. He's a rookie, so I'm
Speaker 3: not true. He continues his route running routes and is
Speaker 3: in cleaning up and becoming even a better route runner.
Speaker 3: Like I saw something, And I don't know if you're
Speaker 3: gonna get to this question or not. So if I'm
Speaker 3: stealing your thunder, kaya forgive me.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you if we have it.
Speaker 3: The questions coming in is was is Brian Thomas Junior
Speaker 3: the second best receiver in the history of this franchise?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, did you forget about a guy named
Speaker 3: Keenan McCardell.
Speaker 2: I think you're going off potential and there, but I'm like,
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 3: That's like, like Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Smith is fifteen receivers and yards and catches and catches
Speaker 1: and yards.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that people like to get excited about
Speaker 2: things best drafted a receiver.
Speaker 3: Hold on time out. I don't like doing this to
Speaker 3: young players, and we do that too often here, Like everyone,
Speaker 3: pump your brakes. Brian Thomas Junior is a heck of
Speaker 3: a football player and is having a great rookie year
Speaker 3: and has all kinds of potential, has skill, a skill
Speaker 3: set that is rare. He can go get it, he
Speaker 3: can run by people, and he's good when the ball's
Speaker 3: in the air, no doubt about it. Like he is,
Speaker 3: he has a chance to be special. But please don't
Speaker 3: even put him in the same sentence as Jimmy Smith
Speaker 3: at this point. Jimmy Smith arguably should be in the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. If you go watch him, and if
Speaker 3: you go talk to any Hall of Fame corner who
Speaker 3: had to play against Jimmy Smith, they didn't want to
Speaker 3: lined up against him that day because that's how good
Speaker 3: Jimmy Smith was. And Keenamar Cardell was an absolute beast
Speaker 3: and one of the best receivers in an era. When
Speaker 3: you went across the middle, you took your life in
Speaker 3: your own hands. And he went across the middle and
Speaker 3: played the middle of the field as well as anybody.
Speaker 3: And as Pete said, is a top fifteen like all time,
Speaker 3: like yards or near there and so.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Tony, But to Cau's point, he will be
Speaker 1: the best drafted wide receiver in team history.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that. I'm not sufted, so I'm not
Speaker 3: saying he's not.
Speaker 2: The bar, like he's so low on that I can
Speaker 2: jump in the.
Speaker 1: Purse of the position for so long. Remember it started
Speaker 1: with R. J. Sower.
Speaker 3: I get that, but bar, But here's what I don't like.
Speaker 3: We do this too often in this organization, too much pressure.
Speaker 3: The guy has played seven games, he is outstanding. Enjoy it, celebrated.
Speaker 3: What a great rookie year, what a great pick. I'm
Speaker 3: glad he's on our team. What a good job getting
Speaker 3: him late in the mid mid to late of the
Speaker 3: first round. Love every aspect of it. But don't start
Speaker 3: at like, don't start saying Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell, like no.
Speaker 1: No, does he have the tools?
Speaker 3: Yes, high percent. I love Brian Thomas jet It is
Speaker 3: so fun to watch him. I want us to throw
Speaker 3: deep to him like five times a game because he
Speaker 3: just runs by people and for somehow, some way, even
Speaker 3: when he's covered, he comes down with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But if he runs deep four or five times, that's
Speaker 5: four or five times. They can't run a bubble screen.
Speaker 3: Here we go. But you know what I'm saying, Let's
Speaker 3: celebrate what he's done so far, but let's not.
Speaker 2: Start all right, We'll pump the brakes, but.
Speaker 1: We do, Pete, do you see you see what I'm saying, Pete,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you said. But in terms of
Speaker 1: being he has the ability to be into that class.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's exciting.
Speaker 1: Great As yesterday on one of our shows, I said,
Speaker 1: there are elite receivers in this league like Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: and Jefferson and those guys. If he continues to do
Speaker 1: what he what I think he can do, he could
Speaker 1: be in that class.
Speaker 3: He's like, he can has a chance to be special.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: And I love it. I absolutely love it. And he
Speaker 3: is the best tracted receiver I've seen in this franchise.
Speaker 3: That's not saying, but but he's done it for seven games.
Speaker 3: Let's keep it going. I mean he is, and I do,
Speaker 3: and I think what Pete said, what a great job.
Speaker 3: Because he was the fourth receiver taking off the board,
Speaker 3: and there was talk should this team trade up to
Speaker 3: go get one of those top three guys which I
Speaker 3: was a top three which I was never for no
Speaker 3: chance know how would have done that. But when they made.
Speaker 5: The wide receivers to go, and he goes.
Speaker 3: And he goes, and he has his speak fast, he
Speaker 3: has a gear that most guys don't have. And right now, ironically,
Speaker 3: the two best young receivers of this class both played
Speaker 3: together last year. It's Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 1: Both are with Jade Daniels, with Jane Daniels.
Speaker 3: How they how they lost the game? I have no
Speaker 3: They can't stop.
Speaker 5: That couldn't stop anybody.
Speaker 1: Even though they had the two defensive tackles that Jacksonville had,
Speaker 1: they couldn't stop anybody.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unreal. So love it. Great seven game stretch,
Speaker 3: his yards per catch, the numbers he's putting up. Love it,
Speaker 3: every bit of it. I just don't like. I see
Speaker 3: questions like, is he better than Keenan marcrdell?
Speaker 1: No, not yet, Yes, cans that didn't have.
Speaker 3: Does he have a skill set that Keenan never had
Speaker 3: because Brian was born with it? Yes, was.
Speaker 1: Keenan was one of the best route runners in the
Speaker 1: NFL has ever seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Keenan. I don't know what he ran,
Speaker 3: but it was. It wasn't super fast, but somehow that
Speaker 3: dude got open and got behind guys and made catches
Speaker 3: and played the game like in a manner like. And
Speaker 3: I'm biased because Keenan McCardell is one of my favorite
Speaker 3: teammates I've ever played with. Because Keenan McCardell is the
Speaker 3: toughest football player I've ever played with. And he's a
Speaker 3: wide receiver. And I've never seen I've never seen someone
Speaker 3: practice as hard as Keith Marcadell. I've never seen someone
Speaker 3: study the game like Keenan McCardell. I've never seen someone
Speaker 3: who loved football like Keenan McCardell. And I've never seen
Speaker 3: a guy who would sacrifice everything for his team like
Speaker 3: Kean McCarthy.
Speaker 8: He was.
Speaker 3: This is a guy who played the week after getting
Speaker 3: a Grade three AC joint separation, was told to be
Speaker 3: out four to six weeks, played the next week. By
Speaker 3: the way, this is a guy in the playoffs that.
Speaker 5: Broke, guys that cover.
Speaker 1: Yes, one of my all time favorite guys that cover,
Speaker 1: and he needs to be in the ring of all.
Speaker 3: He should be. I love it. And he's a guy
Speaker 3: in a playoff game. Broke his wrist against the Patriots
Speaker 3: and was going to be out for obviously broken wrists
Speaker 3: like broke broke and said, I'm playing against the Jets
Speaker 3: next week. I'm like, there's no chance you're playing. Didn't
Speaker 3: practice all week non contact, He ran through the routes,
Speaker 3: put a cast on, and had like ten catches against
Speaker 3: the Jets in a playoff game with a cast. The
Speaker 3: dude was like an animal, an animal.
Speaker 1: And he should still be in the building, by the way.
Speaker 3: And by the way, one of the best receiver coaches
Speaker 3: in this league.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's what I mean. You should still be in
Speaker 5: the building.
Speaker 3: And I'm not taking anything away from Chad Hall. He's
Speaker 3: our coach. I'm glad he's here. He's a good football coach.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, and I think now you can argue
Speaker 3: this that Brian Thomas Junior is the third best receiver
Speaker 3: in this You can argue that. You could argue that
Speaker 3: all day long, and I don't have a great argument
Speaker 3: against this.
Speaker 2: All Right, all right, we're keeping it positive. We beat
Speaker 2: a bad New England team. How much good can we
Speaker 2: take from this game moving forward, given who that opponent was. Tony,
Speaker 2: you talked about the offense getting going. What are some
Speaker 2: of the good things that you saw in.
Speaker 3: Your run game? You got the run game going. I
Speaker 3: think the offensive line is a group that's played starting
Speaker 3: with Houston and since then has played really good football,
Speaker 3: really good football, and his physical They ran the ball.
Speaker 3: I thought Walker Little was outstanding and and I like
Speaker 3: that they gave the ball to Tank Bigsby twenty six times.
Speaker 3: I think that is a recipe for success. Run the
Speaker 3: ball with Bigsby, play action pass, take your shots down
Speaker 3: the middle of the field. Trevor's playing good. It helps
Speaker 3: the line protect. You don't have to drop back as much.
Speaker 3: It takes the pressure off that line, especially against some
Speaker 3: good pass rushers. It wears defenses out and allows you
Speaker 3: to dictate the tempo and the pace and your will
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter. That's how I think this team
Speaker 3: should play. And it does another thing that we needed
Speaker 3: to It keeps our defense on the sideline. They had
Speaker 3: long drives from the second quarter on except for the
Speaker 3: bomb to Brian Thomas Jr. And the putt return. Were
Speaker 3: the defense that to go right back out there. And
Speaker 3: the defense did better in the second in the last
Speaker 3: three quarters, but you look at the second half, that
Speaker 3: defense wasn't on the field very much because they ran
Speaker 3: it and they eight clock and a combination of controlling
Speaker 3: the clock, running the ball, play action, pass, big shots.
Speaker 3: You have a big play receiver and Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 3: That's the recipe in my opinion, of how you need
Speaker 3: to play because of all the things I said, And
Speaker 3: keeps your defense on the sideline. The defense is struggling
Speaker 3: right now to get off the field. And so the
Speaker 3: best way sometimes play good defenses is don't let the
Speaker 3: other offense on the field.
Speaker 1: Let's score points. There we go.
Speaker 3: Well, you got, I mean, you gotta score points. You
Speaker 3: got and you got you gotta make you gotta take
Speaker 3: seven not three?
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, running a little late today, so we're
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Speaker 6: Well, definitely, it was for us all just to continiously
Speaker 6: stay together as a unit like we know we can
Speaker 6: be in as a franchise in general, we needed that.
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Speaker 2: Happy Hour, and listen the team. I know, I feel
Speaker 2: like we're saying this every single week. They absolutely needed
Speaker 2: that win last week, especially after the performance against the
Speaker 2: Bears and after this one, hoping to kind of roll
Speaker 2: that into a game against the Packers, who are a
Speaker 2: much better team where I think if you can get
Speaker 2: a win, that would actually change some things around here. Obviously,
Speaker 2: you're beating teams in the Colts and the Patriots that
Speaker 2: you hopefully should beat, but a win against the Packers
Speaker 2: would go a long way. Pete, when we're looking at
Speaker 2: a team like Green Bay coming in, what did you
Speaker 2: see from them last week and what are we going
Speaker 2: to see this week.
Speaker 5: Well, they got all over c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud. They limited him throwing the football, I mean, and
Speaker 1: they didn't play very well with the Texans. And look,
Speaker 1: we know they can score then we know the Texans
Speaker 1: can score points. But I think he threw under one
Speaker 1: hundred yards on Sunday and it wasn't just him.
Speaker 5: They don't have Nico Collins, so that changed the way
Speaker 5: they play him.
Speaker 1: But Green Bay is good. They're talented at a lot
Speaker 1: of spots, important spots, and like I said earlier, I
Speaker 1: think the pass rush has.
Speaker 5: Been a problem for him.
Speaker 1: But they're gonna score points on Jacksonville. So Jacksonville better
Speaker 1: be ready to go get points of their own. And
Speaker 1: Tony's right, it's going to be. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: higher scoring game. And I think that's going it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the it needs to be the Trevor Lawrence thrown
Speaker 1: a round game where Thomas gets one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: in a touch you know that kind of game. I
Speaker 1: think that's what it needs to be for Jacksonville.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the number, CJ show only twenty one attempts,
Speaker 3: eighty six yards, no touchdowns, no interception, sacked four four times.
Speaker 3: That means they dropped back twenty five times. I actually
Speaker 3: had five rushes, so they dropped back thirty times. But
Speaker 3: let me tell you the formula. Pete Joe Joe Mixon
Speaker 3: twenty five carries one hundred and fifteen yards a tank.
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's get tank going. They had thirty three
Speaker 3: rushers for one forty two four point three yards a carry.
Speaker 3: I think that's the formula. I'm not saying I agree
Speaker 3: that they.
Speaker 5: Need because they're not great against the run either.
Speaker 1: They're not.
Speaker 3: They need to take shots down the field, no doubt
Speaker 3: about it. But it needs to be set up by
Speaker 3: running the ball, play action, pass, run it. Keep that
Speaker 3: offense that Packers offense on the sideline. I think that
Speaker 3: if you do that.
Speaker 1: If you don't score points, you're gonna pay for it.
Speaker 1: I do. That's a theory to you. If you run
Speaker 1: the ball and control the clock and go get a
Speaker 1: field goal, they go get a touchdown seven to three,
Speaker 1: you go get your control.
Speaker 5: O'clock gets fourteen to six.
Speaker 3: You have to you have to make you have to
Speaker 3: score touchdowns. You can't kick field goals, so you have
Speaker 3: to be good in the red zone. Pete's exactly right.
Speaker 3: I just worry. I just worry about our defense because
Speaker 3: our defense hasn't done anything to me that gives you
Speaker 3: confidence that can get off the field.
Speaker 2: And it's the time of possession for me too. We've
Speaker 2: talked about this. Obviously. They're on the field so much
Speaker 2: that even if the offense is doing well, they're out
Speaker 2: of rhythm because it's been ten minutes since they had
Speaker 2: the football.
Speaker 3: Like literally in the first quarter Sunday, it was eleven
Speaker 3: and a half minutes to three and a half, nineteen
Speaker 3: plays the five place. I mean, the Jack said you can't,
Speaker 3: and I said it on the broadcast, you can. If
Speaker 3: you're an offensive player, you're sitting there on the sidelines.
Speaker 3: You get no rhythm. You're like getting cold, Like I
Speaker 3: gotta go warm up, I need a stretch again, Like
Speaker 3: get off the field.
Speaker 1: Well. And if you're a Green Bay, save your good
Speaker 1: play for the fourth, good place for fourth, five and six,
Speaker 1: because you know you'll be playing the backups by that.
Speaker 3: Here we go, Pete in the hockey lineup change.
Speaker 5: It just infuriates me.
Speaker 1: I just can't understand it, and I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: the only one I know.
Speaker 5: You've said it too, But does anybody else say it?
Speaker 5: Does log him and say it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do. I just think you need your best players,
Speaker 3: especially when you're a struggling defense. You need your best
Speaker 3: players on the field. There's certain guys I wouldn't take
Speaker 3: off unless they're just gas gassed. Trayvon Walker, Josh heinz Allen.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't take Ventrel Miller off. He's he runs and hits,
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying he's great in coverage. But you
Speaker 3: know what, tell me.
Speaker 5: The line coverage once he learns at a drop.
Speaker 3: But Pete, here's the thing. Tell me the linebacker we
Speaker 3: have who's good in.
Speaker 1: Coverage, because Steven Lloyd's terrible in coverage.
Speaker 3: So put Ventrail out there. Get Eric Armistead every third down. Hey,
Speaker 3: you're playing three technique, or rush the passer or start
Speaker 3: him there. I'm not I'm actually ok Pete in base personnel.
Speaker 3: If you don't want to play Eric Armistead inside, like,
Speaker 3: make him a sub player. Sixty seventy percent of the
Speaker 3: players are in sub anyway, So put him out there
Speaker 3: and Nickel it's fine. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: Hamilton I would play the like Hamilton's good in the
Speaker 1: run game, he looked, you know, Tony the other day,
Speaker 1: he looked almost back to being what he was.
Speaker 3: I hope that's right, But you sign you signed Graziano.
Speaker 3: He's a serviceable guy in first and second down if
Speaker 3: you need to give those guys a blow.
Speaker 2: Can Mason Smith get back in the next year. We
Speaker 2: didn't see him suit up last game.
Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like. I mean, he's been inactive for
Speaker 3: two games, healthy and active this year at a seven.
Speaker 3: He hasn't popped on film. He's gonna have to go
Speaker 3: earn it. I don't know what's going on. I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a reason he's not out there. He's
Speaker 3: a second round pick. You need production out of him,
Speaker 3: and he's not giving you the production.
Speaker 5: The knock on him coming out of LSU was did
Speaker 5: he love it?
Speaker 1: I mean that was you know, he had the.
Speaker 5: Major knee injury early.
Speaker 1: And was on the way you know he has he has.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, and I love the kid, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. He was on my better than day. I
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be his big time player or steal.
Speaker 1: I still do think he has the potential, but you
Speaker 1: can't if you.
Speaker 5: Don't love it. I don't care how much much potential
Speaker 5: you have.
Speaker 1: It's not going to work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's draft and develop. We're gonna have to develop
Speaker 2: that one for sure. We're keeping an eye on this
Speaker 2: throughout the week and kind of see if he's going
Speaker 2: to be active this week. But going into it, we
Speaker 2: know the Jags.
Speaker 5: You know what, guy, here's what would bother me if
Speaker 5: I were him?
Speaker 3: What's that.
Speaker 1: Your guy drafted behind you? Your former teammate was active
Speaker 1: and you weren't.
Speaker 3: How do you look on tape? And I think it's.
Speaker 1: It's okay, I mean, yeah, nothing great.
Speaker 2: They're just I think they're really I mean again with
Speaker 2: the switching. They're really committed with the moving everybody back
Speaker 2: and forth, because then they get Lacy up and Ota
Speaker 2: maywell every other.
Speaker 3: Maywe was not even active. I thought he they loved him.
Speaker 1: Lacey wasn't great on Sunday. I don't understand.
Speaker 2: They have a real infatuation with lady and they're going
Speaker 2: to keep rotating until someone kind of makes them stop.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, rotation hockey rotations, as Pete loves to.
Speaker 5: Said, over the wall, get over the ice, get on
Speaker 5: the ice. Too many men on the ice penalty.
Speaker 2: All right, we got predictions for this game coming up.
Speaker 2: I'm not locking anything, and I apologize for the double lock,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to hear what these fellows think
Speaker 2: will happen this week.
Speaker 3: I know Pete, like screen Bay, you know, I'm I
Speaker 3: picked the jags every week, you do, you know my
Speaker 3: confidence if I lock it. I'm not locking it, but
Speaker 3: I'm picking the jacks all right.
Speaker 1: But you know what if we put them on a
Speaker 1: log detector right now, that thing would go nuts, and
Speaker 1: picking picking Jackson it would go so they'd have to
Speaker 1: go get a new one.
Speaker 3: It would be Let's say, what's who playing Monday nights?
Speaker 3: And I haven't paying attention. I've been on games games.
Speaker 3: What's this two game Monday night thing?
Speaker 2: I can't like it, to be honest, I like it
Speaker 2: because then if one's bad, you can switch the other one.
Speaker 3: For both are good? Ky be positive?
Speaker 2: All right, Ravens Bucks, that could be very.
Speaker 3: Good, be a great game, and that's a great game
Speaker 3: that could be.
Speaker 5: That could be a high school Chargers Cardinals game.
Speaker 3: Charge Cardinals does not interest me. I'll be watching Ravens.
Speaker 5: It is the Chargers because the Chargers actually played. Remember
Speaker 5: then went to Denver and beat up the Broncos last week.
Speaker 2: All right, thirty seconds, give me your quick pick.
Speaker 3: I got Chargers will beat the Cardinals. They're more physical team.
Speaker 3: I think they win. I'm gonna go Bucks. I think
Speaker 3: the Beatos are sneak too. I think they get a
Speaker 3: win against the Ravens.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks, gentlemen, thank you for letting me sit
Speaker 2: in for JP Shadwick. He'll be back on Thursday. He'll
Speaker 2: be back next Monday. I appreciate you all, all, everybody
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