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Speaker 1: Welcome back to She Pivots. I am Gina Ortiz Jones.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to She Pivots, the podcast where we talk with

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Speaker 2: women who dared to pivot out of one career and

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Speaker 2: into something new and explore how their personal lives impacted

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Speaker 2: these decisions. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. This week,

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Speaker 2: I'm delighted to welcome Gina Ortiz Jones to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: My path almost crossed with Gina when I worked for

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Speaker 2: the Service Members Legal Defense Network working to repeal Don't Ask,

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Speaker 2: Don't Tell, an archaic policy that bard gay members of

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Speaker 2: the military from talking about or acknowledging their identity. Gina

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Speaker 2: went on to make history as the first woman of

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Speaker 2: color and out lesbian to serve as undersecretary of a

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Speaker 2: military department. So it's no surprise that I wanted to

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Speaker 2: as undersecretary as an openly gay woman. Service to country

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Speaker 2: has always been a center point in Gina's life. She

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Speaker 2: grew up in Texas, the daughter of immigrants surrounded by

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Speaker 2: military bases. Not only was gratitude to America instilled in her,

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Speaker 2: but many people she knew went into service, so it

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Speaker 2: was only natural for Gina to follow that same path,

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Speaker 2: leading her to join the Air Force. Her dedication to

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Speaker 2: service carried her through various pivots, from leaving the Air

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Speaker 2: Force to take care of her mother who was ill

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Speaker 2: Trump administration, to running for Congress to now running a pack.

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Speaker 2: She has truly made so many pivots throughout her life. Also,

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Speaker 2: in true military and security fashion, we weren't able to

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Speaker 2: allow Gina's computer to access the microphone. So Gina's audio

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Speaker 2: is straight from her computer, or so you might hear

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Speaker 1: Enjoy. So I'm Gino Ortiz Jones, and I served as

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Speaker 1: the twenty seventh Under Secretary of the Air Force, and

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Speaker 1: I am currently the founder of find Out Pack.

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Speaker 3: So we will go in chronological order, like let's plant

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Speaker 3: the seeds, Let's go back like little Gina, where did

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Speaker 3: you grow up?

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Speaker 1: What was life like like? What did you want to

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Speaker 1: be when you grew up? Well, like when I spoke

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Speaker 1: about my story, I don't talk about only me. My

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Speaker 1: story really starts with my mom, right, my mom came

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Speaker 1: to this country as a domestic helper. My mom graduated

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Speaker 1: from the number one university in the Philippines, but she

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Speaker 1: came here as a domestic helper. She wanted her shot

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Speaker 1: at the American dream, and when it presented herself, she

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Speaker 1: she instilled in my younger sister and I, that we

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Speaker 1: were very lucky to call this very special country home.

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Speaker 1: We were lucky, not smart, We were lucky to be

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Speaker 1: think that American dream is still so motivating for so

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Speaker 1: so many others, and we've got a work to protect that.

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Speaker 1: So my mom raised my younger sister and I by herself.

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Speaker 1: My sister is is all of fourteen months standard and I,

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Speaker 1: so we are very very close. My mom is a

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Speaker 1: public school teacher. She recently graduate retires excuse me a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago. But San Antonio is my home.

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Speaker 1: I'm very proud to be a proud product of public education.

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Speaker 1: I went to Adams Tell Elementary School, Pea's Middle School,

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Speaker 1: recruiting US Filipino men to serve in the US Navy.

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Speaker 1: So again, just another reminder how special this country is

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Speaker 1: But you know, my mom worked very hard, lots of

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Speaker 3: Raised to feel a sense of pride in her country

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so what did I want to be when

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Speaker 1: San Antonio is military CDUSA, and the high school that

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Speaker 1: the stream from Lachlan Air Force Base, which is the

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Speaker 3: Even though she grew up quickly and learned to be independent,

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Speaker 1: You know, I was raised in a deeply Catholic family

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Speaker 3: economic impacts. But it was quite the shift for her

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Speaker 3: working in the Department of Defense to now working in

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Speaker 3: one of the smallest government agencies changed how she was

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Speaker 3: able to approach issues and the seriousness with which they

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Speaker 3: were taken.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is a pivot, Emily, when you go from

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Speaker 1: being at DoD so you're like the gorilla in the room,

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Speaker 1: right when you're like the DoD rep to meetings, and

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Speaker 1: then you go into the meeting and you're the opposite

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Speaker 1: of the US Trade Rep. And as like as holl

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Speaker 1: As Cabinet agency, and you're talking about reciprocity, if you will,

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Speaker 1: like roll their eyes, right, it was to be always

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Speaker 1: amazing when you get Commerce, Treasury, DOJ and States roll

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Speaker 1: their eyes at the same time. I'm cool, no, but

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Speaker 1: but they was really important, right, Like economic reciprocity is important.

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Speaker 1: I mean we have to think about how the implication,

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Speaker 1: what the implications would be if country extra why did

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Speaker 1: the same thing to American businesses and what that would mean.

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Speaker 1: So a very very important voice to be heard.

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Speaker 3: But so Trump was elected became the president, I mean,

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Speaker 3: what did you think would happened to your position to

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Speaker 3: your career, Like did you think that you could still

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Speaker 3: have an impact as essentially a bureaucrat.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of people in national security

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Speaker 1: saying that you know, national security is a political right.

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Speaker 1: It's about the facts, it's about the country, and it's

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Speaker 1: about good judgment right because lives on the line. American

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Speaker 1: leadership is on the line, and that has always been motivating.

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Speaker 1: Like it never talked politics tech politics, that were never never, never,

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Speaker 1: like it's just not something that you do now. Personally, obviously,

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Speaker 1: through his campaign, I was quite concerned as a woman,

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Speaker 1: as an LGBTQ person, as somebody that didn't grow up

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Speaker 1: with a lot of means, but I think relied on

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Speaker 1: many of the opportunities that he was talking about take

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Speaker 1: me away. On top of just the way he was

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Speaker 1: talking about immigrants. Again, my mom came to this country

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Speaker 1: as a domestic helper, though she graduates from the number

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Speaker 1: one university in the country. Right, So this idea that

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Speaker 1: he was den renizing people that were coming here, working

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Speaker 1: hard and serving the country now was the next generation

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Speaker 1: is serving the country is just so at odds with

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Speaker 1: what I thought a commander in chief, how they would

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Speaker 1: conduct themselves, right man or woman to be frank and

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Speaker 1: so yeah, so I thought, but I did. I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: let me see what good I can do right from within,

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Speaker 1: because we all were all a political it's about the constitution.

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Speaker 1: But six months, you know, six months into that, and

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Speaker 1: it was just very clear based on you know, and

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Speaker 1: fringly based on the people that he had brought in

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Speaker 1: that I worked with at the opposite, the US Trade Representative,

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Speaker 1: on top of watching the policies that he was enacting

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Speaker 1: in other parts of the government. And I remember, so

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Speaker 1: we're briefing the higher ups and so it's funny. We

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Speaker 1: were in the briefing and he's like, wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: are we going to reproach on or anti China? And

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is the Trump a point tee

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Speaker 1: at the time that we were briefing, and I just

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Speaker 1: thought like, One, that's not what this is about. Like,

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Speaker 1: that's not how we do this. In my head, obviously,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking that's not how we do this. But also

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Speaker 1: this is so dangerous and it's so uninformed that it's

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Speaker 1: and it's like really just kind of not where I

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Speaker 1: think I can I can best serve. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I want to be part of this. I think

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Speaker 1: by that Tom already made the decision that I was

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Speaker 1: going to leave based on some of the things I

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Speaker 1: had seen. But for me, that really similar aside that

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Speaker 1: I needed to serve in a different with So.

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Speaker 3: She left the Trump administration and began to think about

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Speaker 3: her next pivot. Staying true to her values, she kept

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Speaker 3: service at the Center and she ran for Congress in

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Speaker 3: Texas's twenty third district, becoming the first gay woman of

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Speaker 3: color and military veteran running for office in Texas.

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Speaker 1: So came back to San Ontario, ran for office, lost

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Speaker 1: that election by that nine hundred some Amauto votes. Didn't

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Speaker 1: get a lot of help from national Democrats at the time.

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Speaker 1: But there's nothing like running for office, and there's nothing

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Speaker 1: like running to serve your community. And having had the experience,

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Speaker 1: I think of no how important American leadership is, knowing

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Speaker 1: how important those investments are, Knowing that it's how important

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Speaker 1: it is for people to serve authentically and openly so

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Speaker 1: they can serve to the rest potential and best serve

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Speaker 1: the country. Right. But a lot of that that certainly

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Speaker 1: depends on your ability to do That depends on the

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Speaker 1: will of the people, right, and their engagement in American

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Speaker 1: politics is based on how well they are not being served.

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Speaker 1: So running for office was an invaluable experience. I learned

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Speaker 1: a lot as a results of it.

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Speaker 3: So President Biden fast Bard, President Biden's elected nominates you

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Speaker 3: as the under Secretary of Air Force, confirmed by the Senate,

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Speaker 3: the first woman of color, first open lesbian in the position.

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Speaker 3: You served for a number of months, made a big impact,

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Speaker 3: and then you left, and I think that a lot

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Speaker 3: of people would have looked at where you were and said, wow,

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Speaker 3: like she's doing it, Like she's doing the thing, She's

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Speaker 3: at the peak. What made you walk away at that point?

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Speaker 1: So serving for shy of two years, well, I always

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Speaker 1: knew that I was not going to serve the full term.

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Speaker 1: And so as you know, as an appointee, you always

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Speaker 1: want to give the administration as much kind of as

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Speaker 1: the courtesy of having them identify, go through the vetting

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Speaker 1: process and then nominate who they prefer, right they who

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Speaker 1: they would like to and as you know, and unfortunately

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Speaker 1: that Center tuber Bill has shown that can be a

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Speaker 1: very nasty process. And so you know, for me, as

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Speaker 1: you know, in fourteen democratic politics, midterms and normally when

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Speaker 1: you see kind of an exodus of folks that lead

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Speaker 1: the administration if they are if they're not going to

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Speaker 1: stay in the full time. But yeah, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: very proud of the things I got across the finish line, right,

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Speaker 1: And a lot of that I think goes back to

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Speaker 1: what I described earlier, which is, if you have the

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Speaker 1: experience of serving under leadership that cannot be equally invested

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Speaker 1: in your success, that you push back on those opportunities. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, changing the policy about when women can fly

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Speaker 1: when they're pregnant, you know, pushing to have the first

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Speaker 1: female officer attend the Tie Air Command and Staff College,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, is a very big deal not

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Speaker 1: only for that individual, for our country, but also certainly

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Speaker 1: for the example the leadership that we said that we

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Speaker 1: display in the end of Pacific at this moment in time.

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Speaker 1: Really proud also of the way in was we tackled

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Speaker 1: some of the ugly pieces, right, some of the not

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Speaker 1: so nice pieces, how we address and how we handle

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Speaker 1: prevent sexual assault, sexual harassment, how we take care of victims, etc. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, very very honored to have served in that way.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, my heart is here in San Antonio,

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Speaker 1: my heartings and always in public service, and so I

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Speaker 1: look forward to to serving in the next one.

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Speaker 3: She forged ahead, using her years of experience in the

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Speaker 3: federal government and campaigning to start the find Out Pack,

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Speaker 3: whose mission is to unseat the three Supreme Court justices

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Speaker 3: in Texas who have ruled against women's health and reproductive freedoms.

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Speaker 1: Last December, I was reading about the Kate Cox case and,

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Speaker 1: like you know, following along with many folks.

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Speaker 3: Kate Cox's heartbreaking story is just one of the thousands

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Speaker 3: that have come out since Roe was overturned and states

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Speaker 3: have stripped away women's reproductive health care. For Cox, who

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Speaker 3: was already a mother of two, her pregnancy was a

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Speaker 3: life threatening risk to her, so questioned an exemption to

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Speaker 3: allow her to legally have a safe procedure to save

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Speaker 3: her life.

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Speaker 1: And then they reached the decision that they did, and

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Speaker 1: I was very I think a lot like surprising a

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Speaker 1: lot of folks that they would have reached that decision

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Speaker 1: given the circumstances. Right, we only have one medical exception

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Speaker 1: in our state, and her doctor, this woman's doctor, said

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Speaker 1: she needed a medical exception, she qualified for one, Yet

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Speaker 1: this partisan Supreme Court said that she did not qualify.

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Speaker 3: Their Supreme Court ruled that the life of a woman

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Speaker 3: is not valuable, that they would rather her die.

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Speaker 2: And we start with.

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Speaker 3: New developments in a case of a Texas woman seeking

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Speaker 3: a court ruling to get an emergency abortion. She has

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Speaker 3: already left the state to get medical care, but that

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Speaker 3: story continues here.

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Speaker 8: Tonight, Attorney General Ken Paxton argued that the fatal diagnosis

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Speaker 8: for her feet is and the danger Trisley eighteen poses

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Speaker 8: to Cox's life and her fertility does not qualify for

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Speaker 8: a Texas medical exemption.

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Speaker 4: Bottom line tonight is that Kate Cox cannot get an

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Speaker 4: abortion in Texas right now, even after she received permission

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Speaker 4: from a Travis County court on Friday. Tonight, the Supreme

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Speaker 4: Court said that her doctor did not establish that the

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Speaker 4: abortion is needed in her reasonable medical judgment, even though

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Speaker 4: that doctor, to be sure, very much believes the abortion

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Speaker 4: is necessary for Cox's health and her future fertility.

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Speaker 1: And so I was like, well, look these like one

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Speaker 1: who are these folks? But two like this is this

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Speaker 1: is ridiculous. And my reaction is a little bit more

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Speaker 1: of this role is, you know, fuck around and find out.

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Speaker 1: And that's where we find out. Pack comes from. It's

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Speaker 1: a very scientific concept and omydiam these folks are this

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Speaker 1: podcast will be found familiar with it. But the whole

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Speaker 1: point is to unseat these three justices that are up

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Speaker 1: in November. So do in Texas elect all of our

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices. They go through partisan elections. The nine

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Speaker 1: court bench. Scuse me, the ninth bench court is all Republican.

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Speaker 1: We've got three folks that are up now. So Jimmy Blacklock,

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Speaker 1: John Devine, Jane Bland, Jimmy John and Jane. That's really

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Speaker 1: their names. Books can go to find out pack dot

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Speaker 1: com to check out our launch video. Certainly contribute and

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Speaker 1: I think, look, we're optimistic, Emily. This has never been done.

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Speaker 1: We've never changed. We've never challenged the make of the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court before the Texas Supreme Court too, these justices

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Speaker 1: have never been challenged. And secondly, we are optimistic based

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Speaker 1: on what we have seen in other conservative states, right Kansas, Kentucky, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: When the issue reproductive freedom is on the ballot, people

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Speaker 1: turn out even in conservative states. And Texans are with us. Right.

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Speaker 1: There was a poll that just came out last year.

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Speaker 1: Eighty two percent of Texans support a medical exception. It's

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Speaker 1: not even close, right, So, how where these justices are

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Speaker 1: versus where Texans are is a huge rift. And you

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Speaker 1: know in the ad you'll see that we talked about

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Speaker 1: Jimmy John and Jane and what they did. We don't

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Speaker 1: talk about political party because regardless of you know, the

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Speaker 1: two parties might be on very different sides of this,

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Speaker 1: and they clearly are, but that doesn't make the fact

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Speaker 1: that somebody should be able to listen to their doctor,

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Speaker 1: somebody is able to get healthcare in their own state,

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Speaker 1: somebody should be able to make decisions about their own bodies.

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Speaker 1: Those are not partisan issues, right, So we're very clear

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Speaker 1: if you're upset about what's happened to Kate Cox or

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Speaker 1: what's happened to any of the others, any of these

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Speaker 1: other women, the solution is to vote out to Jimmy

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Speaker 1: John and Jane Coop Member, what is.

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Speaker 3: One thing that at the time you felt like was

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Speaker 3: like real negative, like you weren't sure you're going to

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Speaker 3: get out of it, and now in retrospect you see

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Speaker 3: it as having really launched you into the position you

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Speaker 3: are right now.

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Speaker 1: I think, and maybe this is less of an issue

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Speaker 1: for folks around just given the time that we live

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Speaker 1: in now, but I think you know, at some point

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Speaker 1: in time, you make a decision in your life that

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Speaker 1: you are going to live your authentic self and whether

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Speaker 1: that means coming out, And I think that is what

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Speaker 1: that means for me, because that is the moment when

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Speaker 1: I said I'm going to come out and be who

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Speaker 1: I am. You're then able to channel all of that

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Speaker 1: energy and all of that those resources on doing the

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Speaker 1: things that you want to accomplish, right and you're no

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Speaker 1: longer afraid of looking over your shoulder or worried about

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Speaker 1: franking what others are going to think of you because

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Speaker 1: they're going to say something anyways, right, like whatever. But

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Speaker 1: I think that moment where and sometimes it takes a

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Speaker 1: couple of moments right where you're like, Nope, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do this. This is this is the thing that's most

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Speaker 1: needed now. And it's interesting. I was talking to somebody

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Speaker 1: else about find out pack and they're a little bit

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Speaker 1: they're a little bit older and there, and their response was, well,

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Speaker 1: are you afraid? Are you afraid like of the maybe

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Speaker 1: potential backlash of this issue, Like, no, I'm not, because

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Speaker 1: it's the right thing. It's this is the right thing

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Speaker 1: to do. We're talking about, you know, the ability to

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Speaker 1: make decisions about your body and the ability to get

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Speaker 1: healthcare in your own state, like and if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: if there's gonna be a backlash to that will and

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Speaker 1: still be a.

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Speaker 3: Well Gina, thank you so much for joining. Thanks Emily,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for listening to Gina's episode. She

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