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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for the first episode of

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Speaker 1: Dune Prophecy on Max and HBO and the Wider Dune Cannon,

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Speaker 1: so be warned.

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Speaker 2: Wild Cannon guys, Wild Cannon.

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Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Jason Concepsiode.

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Speaker 2: And I am Mersey Nights of the Benny Jesuit.

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Speaker 1: They're not called that yet and welcome back to ext

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Speaker 1: revision of the podcast when we Dive dee Vinny your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture coming from my

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Speaker 1: art podcast. We're bringing you three episodes a week every

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Speaker 1: Tuesday Thursday, with an extra episode every Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are joined by super producer and

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Speaker 2: dune expert Aboo. How's it going.

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Speaker 3: It's going super well.

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Speaker 2: I love to hear it.

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Speaker 3: I'm your local mentet. If you're our BENI Jess, that's right, and.

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Speaker 2: Jason is obviously are chosen one. In the airlock. We

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Speaker 2: will be deep diving into that recap of Doom Prophecy

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Speaker 2: episode one, and boy does a lot of has stuff happened.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad Aboo is here to help us through so much.

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Speaker 2: Law the kids love law and HBO delivered with the

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Speaker 2: Law in the omnibus Aboo's gonna take us through some

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Speaker 2: of the Toms Easter Eggs references that you may have

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Speaker 2: missed in this very dense, dense first episode of the

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Speaker 2: Dune Prophecy Program.

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Speaker 1: In the words of the Great British Breaking Show, it's

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Speaker 1: quite stodgy this episode. Let's step out of the air

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Speaker 1: lock and talk about it. We open with narration in

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Speaker 1: the wake of the human victory over Ai and the

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Speaker 1: great but Lerian Jihad, when the humans have overthrown the

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Speaker 2: Pretty crazy to see that according.

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Speaker 1: To legend or history. Why don't we have any history?

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Speaker 1: Nobody wrote anything down. We're not here anyway. According to

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Speaker 1: the propaganda that it exists, it was in a tradese

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Speaker 1: who led human forces to victory in this wonderful grand

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Speaker 1: victory over the Thinking Machines Akaai. The Harconans, who we

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Speaker 1: of the stories that we know from the Dune universe,

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Speaker 1: were somehow branded as cowards for their behavior during this

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Speaker 1: war and were exiled to a planet that sucks. Valia

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Speaker 1: harconin one of these spends these years in the wake

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Speaker 1: They are trained as soothsayers. Basically, they're human light detectors,

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Speaker 1: and through a marketing campaign, which we do not see,

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Speaker 1: get themselves assigned.

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Speaker 2: Let's see the marketing campaign, guy, we.

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Speaker 1: Need to see the marketing campaign of their early benage,

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Speaker 1: of their years of like, you got it. Have one

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Speaker 1: I know the truth you.

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Speaker 2: Need in your house.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no one.

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Speaker 2: Will ever trick you again. That will be a cool

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Speaker 1: Need that marketing cafe. Anyway. By the time that our

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Speaker 1: collection of great houses probably exists. Yes, Mother Riquella is

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Speaker 3: the book from Sisterhod of Dune, written by Brian Herbert

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Speaker 3: Kevin J. Anderson. And the important point that the show

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Speaker 1: So Abu does she not have. So she has genetic

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Speaker 3: Rickella is the start of that. She initiates that program

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Speaker 3: And they keep dying. So they're trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: So Mother Raquella as she is dying calls for Valia,

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Speaker 1: That's right, yes, tough, look the sister. Valia shares Mother

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Speaker 1: Apparently tyran erfl is some kind of prophecy of holy judgment,

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Speaker 2: Can I just interject him? Because I think this is

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Speaker 2: I liked this episode a lot, and I felt like

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I will say that part

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Speaker 2: It's a good vibe show, and I think the.

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Speaker 1: Vibes will grow. That said, I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: such a big deal. Yeah, And I think that is,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, a mistake. I think they should have said,

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Speaker 1: you can share in that. Because there's a there's so

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Speaker 1: much download that you're like, does that matter? Does that matter?

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Speaker 1: What is that? There is a lot of vagary ching

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Speaker 2: Else in your order. She is gonna just take it

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Speaker 3: Can you wait until tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: Probably?

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Speaker 2: I do think that's gonna be the most interesting thing

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Speaker 1: It's a lot like foundation where yes, just looking at

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Speaker 2: Or another immense law show.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Valia orders a small group of sister collaborators to

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Speaker 2: She's like, we're meant to be just humble witches, guys,

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Speaker 1: She probably has why did you join this group? Then?

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Speaker 1: Like this is kind of what the group project is Dorotea.

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Speaker 2: I think her mom is Riquela. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Valia finds now Mother Dorotea, so she did she drink

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Speaker 2: Interesting again, skimm Dova in the last ten minutes of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Dorotea is like, we should just be, in

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get her that something she invented.

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Speaker 1: So Valia's like, well, listen, the voice pretty cool? Right,

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Speaker 1: Don't you want to learn how to do this? Right?

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Speaker 2: Guess we can just do our plan now. This is convenient.

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Speaker 2: Okay, bo, can I ask you a quick question. Ye

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Speaker 3: No, there's a lot of original characters.

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Speaker 2: It felt to me like this was kind of a

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Speaker 2: Fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Swordmaster here into Tradees is sparring with Princess Ynez

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Speaker 1: Hey, yah, you're gonna love the matter. You're gonna love him.

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Speaker 1: And if you are marrying princess to my charm, beautiful,

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Speaker 1: I give you the ships.

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Speaker 2: You need the sheep negotiation.

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Speaker 1: You need my ballist, the ships and knows that the

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Speaker 2: And machinations with other houses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, couple of reasons. One, Jason, You're correct, there's

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Speaker 1: So they need the ships they need there cheesy ships.

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Speaker 1: While this is happening, we see that Kasha, the Emperor

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Speaker 2: In case you didn't realize, the Duke of Richesi, you're

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Speaker 1: The Duke's in sooth series like, you don't even know

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Speaker 1: But we just got to get this wedding going. The

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Speaker 2: And it's very clear now that he is fully under

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say the thrall. I just think he is. Again,

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Speaker 1: when are we going to ramp it up? Vol was like, okay,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the bloody frosty.

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Speaker 1: And all the sisters are like, I don't know, I

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Speaker 2: She's like, I am here in the world of Dune,

436
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 2: and guess what my name is, Natasha, just like Duncan. Yeah, Paul,

437
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm one of the people with a normal name. Your

438
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: name's like kind of cool, Inns. It's not crazy, I

439
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: know if you Andezza's in real life. But she's like

440
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 2: through it, ri Chesy, like this is what you're doing.

441
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 2: And also I think this is really interesting because the

442
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: mom is basically like, you don't have to do this.

443
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 2: You can just marry whoever you want your royalty, like,

444
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 2: just live my life, don't live what your father wants.

445
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: And I think that's interesting because that sets up that

446
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: battle between the mom and then the influence of these witches.

447
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: So the princess has a completely different point of view,

448
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: which is she loves it. She wants to marry the boy.

449
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: In fact, she wishes the boy was like three years

450
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: old instead of nine, so she could have six extra

451
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: years influencing him and molding him and.

452
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: Being in the bensnany jesuit at school.

453
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, turning his heart and brains into servants for the Kreno.

454
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: Cause she's like, this is fucking awesome. Mom's like fine,

455
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: but also admit to me that you want to fuck

456
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: You're a Tread's swordmasters, right, I could see it. You

457
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: should do it. Yeah, I support it. And by the way,

458
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 1: everybody could see it. Kuran, the swordmaster, walks in and

459
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: he tells the Emperor that a guy just arrived from

460
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: Oracus and it's Jason Momoa. No, it's not.

461
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: Like, look at this man, isn't he Jason Momo? From behind? No,

462
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 2: I knew it wasn't him.

463
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: We have at home.

464
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's right. This is Wish Jason Momo.

465
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 1: This is t WU Jason Ravola. This is Houston Street

466
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: Jason Ravola. He is Desmond Hart. He is a twelve

467
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: tour veteran of the battlefields of Iracus, where he's been

468
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: fighting Fremen and just recently his entire squadron was totally

469
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: wiped out by a Fremen attack. And guess what, Desmond

470
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: Hart the only guy who fucking survived. He's a little

471
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: he's a little amped up, a little weird, but you're

472
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: gonna like him. Hart has a meeting with the Emperor

473
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: and he says, guess what, Emperor, it wasn't Fremen, it

474
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: was your own allies. It was other forces from the

475
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: great Houses who were secretly put on Iracus to undermine you.

476
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: And the Emperor is like what. He goes over and

477
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: talks to Kasha, is like, Kasha, is this true. She's like, well,

478
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: he's telling the truth and what he thinks is the truth,

479
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: so who knows? And she's like, why haven't I heard

480
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: a thing about this? And she's like, well, maybe it's

481
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: an isolated incident. Sounds is a weird.

482
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: Thing, very suck.

483
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get that.

484
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: I just want to say I love Mark Strong. He's

485
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: one of my favorite actors. He's great in the Penguin.

486
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 2: Love to see him here. Love that he's getting to

487
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: plan an emper Good for him. But this emperor is dumb.

488
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: If this man walked in and was like, hey, so

489
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: everybody else who was a witness to this diede but

490
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 2: here's my version of it that no one else can support.

491
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: And then the Empress like, come to my wedding, Come

492
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 2: to my door's wedding.

493
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is he invited? Don't I agree with you?

494
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, heart is like, hey, do you want your

495
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: very own Jason Momoa in the palace? Give me a

496
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: job here, And the Emperor is like sure.

497
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm too busy for this.

498
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: And in fact, you don't just get a job, you

499
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: get to show up to my fucking daughter's wedding to

500
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: a nine year old. This is gonna be an awesome time,

501
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: great food, great drink, incredible. Kasha has a dream that

502
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: includes a lot of really ominous symbols, including fruit filled

503
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: with worms and the princess being devoured by a sand worm,

504
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: and then those glowing eyes with a strange voice in space.

505
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: She goes to speak to the princesses like, I'm leaving

506
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: because there's weird signs and dreams importance and I gotta

507
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: go back. The vibes are off. I got to talk

508
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: to the sisterhood about it. I'll be back, but listen,

509
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: we hope you become empress. You're well on your way,

510
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: and I'll be back shortly. Okay. The Emperor is really

511
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: vexed that Kasha has left, but apparently she'll be back. Yeah,

512
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: he just she leaves her like a message, like on

513
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: a mini disc, and he's like, what this is fucked up,

514
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: But apparently she's only going to miss the engagement party,

515
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: not the actual wedding itself, so okay. The Emperor Empress.

516
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: They argue about this wedding. The Emperor is for it

517
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: because he needs the arichesy.

518
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: Shit he needs and the galaxy the best.

519
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 1: And a cheesy ship and go to bring a rackets

520
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: to his knees uh, and the prisons against it because

521
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: the groom is nine.

522
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: He's like, come on, and she's like, this is just

523
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: some dumb Betty jesureite plot. I'm not into this. She's like, well,

524
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 2: if I don't always happy, and he's like, she wants

525
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: to do it, We'll be happy with.

526
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: Cheesy and again, we'll talk about the various storytelling decisions later.

527
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: But I think part of the reason that particular conflict

528
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: doesn't land too much is because your daughter wants to

529
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: do it. Anyway, We go back to Wallack and Tula

530
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: and Valier strategizing for the princess's arrival. Who do we

531
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: pair her with? Who's your friend? Et cetera. You know this.

532
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: The acolyte program is apparently a very important program. Emmeline, No,

533
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: she's a bad influence. It's a bad apple. What about

534
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: Sister Jen. Sister Jen is a little too independent, but

535
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: obviously very very talented. What about Theodosia? Okay, hold on, now,

536
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: she owes us for some reason which we will clearly

537
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: find out about later. And she's apparently Vali's favorite, So

538
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: guess what It's probably gonna be Theodosia, although Tula's favorite

539
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: is Lila. Okay. Valia thinks that Lila is weak and afraid. Okay,

540
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: so there's gonna be a difference of a pity there,

541
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: and Tula says, well, she has a lot of promise,

542
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: but she just needs time. I don't know that we've

543
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: really landed on who the acolyte for the princess is

544
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: gonna be, but clearly we're in a horse race between

545
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: Lila and Theodosia. Rumbling then announces the arrival of the

546
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: ship that shouldn't be here. It's Kasha. She's like, I

547
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: had a really crazy dream. Let me tell you about it.

548
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: She's clearly very afraid. Kasha is concerned that the reckoning,

549
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: which is ten thousand years from now, if that's the

550
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: thing they're talking about, might be closer if they do

551
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: the thing that they're doing, which is putting an empress

552
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: on the throne in the genetic machinations. They think that

553
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: they're going to have a hard time getting the princess

554
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: on the throne, which is why it's crucial apparently that

555
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: the princess marry this nine year old that.

556
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: Kasha is like, don't do it. She's like beginning to

557
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: have her downs because of She's like, well, if a

558
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 2: kid just has bad vibes.

559
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: I had a crazy dream, and maybe we shouldn't do this.

560
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: One thing that we should do is toss to an

561
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: ad break. We're going to go to a word from

562
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: our sponsors back in a second, and we're back, and

563
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: the cheeses are back. The Chesy's a back, Baby Cheesy's arrive.

564
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: It's the engagement party, a wonderful event. We get her.

565
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: Look at Pruit, this young nine year old chesy boy.

566
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: The princess is there, she looks great. The Empress the

567
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: loving that dress, that red dress is about you're in

568
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: a Tread's all there, Tula back on Wallach. Tula and

569
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: Vala argue about the importance of Castia's dream. Tula is like,

570
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: we got to take them more seriously, don't we. Let's

571
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: pump the brakes and just really analyze what we're doing.

572
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: He says, all gas, no breaks. We go forward. The

573
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: princess is marrying that little boy, and she's the empress

574
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: we need and we got to do it. Tula is like, okay,

575
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: but can you just go and check the genetic archive

576
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: to just make sure that we're right. Yeah, yeah, I'll

577
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: go check here. The princess and Pruitt go through with

578
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: the engagement ritual. It is super awkward. It involves like

579
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: feeding pomegranate seaberries to each other something. Yeah. Yeah, it

580
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: doesn't go smoothly. Preuit in particular does not seem keen

581
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: to wed at this particular time, which I get it.

582
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: He's nine, and it's very awkward, but there's lots of

583
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: applause because obviously a lot of right is writing on us. Later,

584
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: Constantine is playing the lute, and the ladies fucking love

585
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: that shit. When he gets the.

586
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: Loot out, Pruit sisters are really into it, and I think.

587
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: He's a good looking kid. Lord he is.

588
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: He's hunky and he's got a very strong jaw line.

589
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: The Emperor is watching all of this closely. He's watching

590
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: the richeses very suspiciously. The Princess, who is sitting on

591
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: a little Dais couch with Pruet, notices that he's messing

592
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: around with his little pouch on his belt, Like, what

593
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: the fuck's that? I can tell that you're being untruthful

594
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: right now and trying to hide whatever is in your

595
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: little fucking belt pocket. And he's like, okay, it's this,

596
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: and he pulls out a little robot lizard that runs

597
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: around the room and runs around the floor. Mister Hart

598
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: Desmond Heart Timu Jason Momoa stabs it with a knife

599
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: and then shows it to everybody, and everybody is shocked

600
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: because this is apparently forbidden robot shit, you know, coming

601
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: off the Robot Wars, you're not supposed to have stuff.

602
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: It's actually like scared in as when she saw it,

603
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: She's like when the unfelt from the hand, she was

604
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: like terrified.

605
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: These are the things that tried to enslave us. How

606
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: what the fuck? You can't have shit like this? And

607
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: House Karno, obviously because of their role in guiding the

608
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: galaxy to victory of the machines, takes this kind of

609
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: stuff very seriously. The Empress is like, this is forbidden.

610
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: This is forbidden. We're Chesy's we might have to throw

611
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: you in the dungeon. The Emperor is like, oh who

612
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: whoa wha who Let's talk about it after the marriage.

613
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay to a child. Yeah, I'm married to this child.

614
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: It's like, obviously it's a big deal. Yes, talk about

615
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: it later, but he is clearly concerned. Heart gives the

616
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: boy back his little robot. Here's a moment I didn't understand.

617
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: Prude is like, thanks Eniz for what.

618
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. She when the mom is

619
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: like talking about it being forbidden technology and trying to

620
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: set the gods on them, she puts him behind her

621
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: back and like protects him, but then she turns around

622
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: and says to him, if I see that thing again,

623
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: I'll kill you myself murder. So that was a bit

624
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: complex to me, But I think she's playing the political

625
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: game where she was protecting per It because it's like,

626
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: this is my guy that I'm gonna get married to,

627
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: and we have to have some kind of loyalty. But

628
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: also you're fucking with my ship, which is that I

629
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: want to go to the Hearken.

630
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: And I just found it weird because obviously Ynes blew

631
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: up his spot. It's weird to thank her in that moment. Anyway.

632
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: Valia is like, hey, just check the archive, and I

633
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: just want you to know, like legit, like the princess

634
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: is the right one. We're good.

635
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: Oh and with zero evidence, like bay, yes please.

636
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: Tula wants Kasha back at the Emperor's side, like we

637
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: got to have her there. Valia says, yes, we'll obviously

638
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna put her back when he place her back

639
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: with the Emperor, but we got to make sure that

640
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: everything is okay with her upstairs because these dreams, I

641
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: guess are a little concerning. Sister Emmeline and Jen are

642
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: complaining about the princess looming arrival on campus. So we

643
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: got to get the idea that this is a controversial

644
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: thing that's going to happen here at the school. Constantin

645
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: and Yinez head into town for a party. This is

646
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: wild raving. Yes, spare fucking. They snort some imperial booger sugars. So,

647
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: I guess what do we think this is? Like spice cocaine? Maybe, yeah, like.

648
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: Some drugs caught with spice. Aboo is there anything like

649
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: this in the books.

650
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: There are a lot of drugs in the books. Yeah,

651
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: Frank Kreber was not about drugs. This could be sumuta,

652
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: this could be a laca blah blah blah. Like there's

653
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: a lot of deep cut, lower drug things. But it

654
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: just looks like, okay.

655
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: Straight up, they're just doing good. So they go to

656
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: a club. The club is banging. Meanwhile, the Emperor is

657
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: like brooding by himself. He's so sad. He's like, Kash

658
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: is not here, Who do I trust?

659
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: Well?

660
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: What about Desmond Heart? Dosnet Heart comes in?

661
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: What about your wife? Sah, how about you have a

662
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: conversation with your wife?

663
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: Well, he says, there's apparently, yeah, there's apparently a problem

664
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: between those two. But Desmond Heart comes in and is like,

665
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: I can tell you're afraid, which is like a weird

666
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: thing to start with. The Emperor asks Heart, Okay, what

667
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: do we do about this insurgency on Aracus that you

668
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: say is not fremen. Heart doesn't answer, but he's like, well,

669
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: that's not your only problem. Here's what your actual problem is.

670
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: Your problem is that other great houses in the lands

671
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: rad are grumbling because you made them get rid of

672
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: their cell phones and their laptops and all that stuff.

673
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: And they are like, we like that stuff. We want

674
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: it back, we want all.

675
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: That life is hard without.

676
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess this is aboo. Is this pre

677
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: the Mentat system?

678
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: This is around the Mentats. Yeah, everything sort of crops

679
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: up at once, the sisters, the Mentats that guild all

680
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 3: of these things that replace technology.

681
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: So at this point they're doing like space calculations, like

682
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: on pad and paper, Like, how are they just like calculators?

683
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean they're doing it, Longhand at this point.

684
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: No, the Mentat should exist. But we haven't seen any

685
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: of the show. Okay, so I don't know what the

686
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 3: creative choice is there.

687
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: We may see them okay later, So whatever the case,

688
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: there are various dissidents within the royal system who think

689
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: that getting rid of Ai was a bad idea, and

690
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: they think that the emperor having the monopoly on spice

691
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: is also a bad idea, and the Emperor is like,

692
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: I've never heard of this. This leads me to believe,

693
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: along with the Glowing Eyes boo, that the major antagonist

694
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: is going to be the Spacing Guild, like the Rise

695
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: of Space.

696
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: That's a good I like that.

697
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: That would be fun for them to introduce that.

698
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the Emperor is now like, you know what,

699
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: Kasha is not here and I've completely changed my mind.

700
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm out on the wedding.

701
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: Dude, this guy he has got like no fucking backbone,

702
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: Like he doesn't know what is going on. He's like,

703
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 2: Kasha has left me for five minutes and I'm sick

704
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: of it. I'm done. Actually now, fake Jason Hama. You

705
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: are now my new spiritual guide even though I've only

706
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: known you for.

707
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: You're my new guy, and I'm out on the wedding

708
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: despite the fact that Kasha, who has never steered me wrong,

709
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: is for it. But here's the issue.

710
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: Needs those riches a ship the riches of ships.

711
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: It's important. And here is like one of these moments

712
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: where I felt a producer saying we need to restate

713
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: the stakes because I don't understand what's at stake here.

714
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: And so he says again, we need the riches ships

715
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: because if I pull out of this marriage, we don't

716
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: get the ships. And then we need the ships to

717
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: secure ourragas and secure the spies. Because the Emperor can

718
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: underlived the Spice. I'm a dead I'm a dead man.

719
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm a dead man. You'll come to me on the

720
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: day of my daughter's engagement, but.

721
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: I can't have the spice ad This is terrible. Desmond

722
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: Hart says, Emperor. I'm gonna tell you some weird shit

723
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: because I've been on a planet of spice for a

724
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: long time and now I'm just gonna get crazy. Here's

725
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: what's crazy. It's a miracle that I'm alive and then

726
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: I'm with you right now because I was almost dead.

727
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: I was reborn on Arakis. They almost killed me. I

728
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: was there for twelve different tours and somehow I died

729
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: a million times. And I'm back. He's back, and I

730
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: feel that it's the will of the gods that I

731
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: am here with you, Emperor Carino, and the Emperor says, well, listen,

732
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: I'm not a religious man, but if the gods can

733
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: get me out of this wedding to the a chesy child,

734
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: oh I will be literally the biggest religion guy in

735
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: the galaxy. Like I will be number one religion.

736
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: My god, my, this fucking guy. This is like, this

737
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: is like when you're a little kid and you're in

738
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: trouble and you're like, oh please, I don't want anyone

739
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: to find out I'm gonna be in trouble. Like then

740
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: I will like be a good person. I'm like, how

741
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: old are you?

742
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: Brow?

743
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: Are you like eight years old? You literally just gave

744
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: this guy a free pause to do whatever he wants

745
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: to stop the wedding, just so that you can be

746
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: like really into religion. Like, Mark strong, Emperor, you're doing

747
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: a bad job.

748
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: Mark strong Emperor, you are you are not a great emperor.

749
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: In the club where literally most of the people here

750
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: are off fam they are Kieran is there. He clearly

751
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 1: got the text from Yez is like going.

752
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 2: To the club, I'm gad to see you there.

753
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: And there's a vibe there is there is an extremely

754
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: strong vibe between them. Kieran's girlfriend question Mark is like

755
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: over his shoulder, being like, why are you flirting with

756
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: the princess? Like do I need to explain this to you?

757
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: So that was confusing because clearly the vibe I was hey,

758
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: boyfriend girlfriend, but there was no explanation to who this

759
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: woman behind Kieran was. Right, miss, I would say, it.

760
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: Is quite interesting to me that this is a show,

761
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 2: even after a couple of watches, where like they choose

762
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: to do a lot of exposition about some stuff but

763
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 2: be very vague about other stuff. And I guess that's

764
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: every show, but it felt like in this when it

765
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: was like we need the spice, the spice must flow,

766
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, bro, everyone who's ever watched Dune or

767
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: read even one bit of Dune knows the spice must flow,

768
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: even if you only know the memes. But I would

769
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: also like to like know some names, so like can

770
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 2: the names be flowing?

771
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like who is this woman who looks upset? Anyway,

772
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: Kieran if he is dating that woman, he's not particularly

773
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: attached to her, because he immediately goes to a private

774
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: room with Princess Ynez. He smokes some space crack and

775
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: then they start having sex crazy. They seize the moment.

776
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm leaving forever probably in a days, go

777
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: into the Benny not yet. The Benny Jes are at

778
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: school and also marrying this nine year old, So if

779
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: we want to get it in, we kind of have

780
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: to get.

781
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: It in right now.

782
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: Let's do it now, and Kurtt is like, bet, let's go.

783
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: We go to Wallach nine, where it's nighttime. We meet Lila.

784
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,479
Speaker 1: She can't sleep. Jen also up notices that Lila can't sleep.

785
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: He's like, what's your deal. Lila says, that story that

786
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: you told, which was a lie, there's a ring of

787
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: truth to it and I could tell. And then Lila

788
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: tells her story about how she got here. She doesn't

789
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: know who her parents are. She thinks that the sisters

790
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: know her family history but are keeping it from her.

791
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: Jen says, don't worry because if it's important enough, the

792
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: truth will find you, which is cold comfort. Valia is

793
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: staring at mother Raquela's statue or mummy and just thinking

794
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: about the future. Is it her mummy? Do we know?

795
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: Like it seems like a very lifelike statue in a

796
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: weird way. Yeah, I think it's just a statue, okay,

797
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: but I like your spooky v that it's a mummy.

798
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: The Emperor has a bad dream that involves a lot

799
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: of the imagery which we have seen previously in the

800
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: two previous bad dreams we've watched. He then goes wandering

801
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: on the palace and he finds a video from Desmond

802
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: Heart about how he survived on Oracus, and he watches

803
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: the video taken like from a drone, I guess, and

804
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: we see that there's a lot of dead bodies on

805
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: the field. We don't see what happened, but Desmond Heart's

806
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: walking around, he's the only guy. There's a spice loader

807
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: in the background. And then there's like a huge worm

808
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: that is clearly coming, and something happens. The worm seems

809
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: to pause, but then also seems to attack, and then

810
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: the video cuts out. Clearly Desmond is alive. So this

811
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: raises a lot more questions than answer.

812
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: Does this mean that he wrote to sand No, I

813
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: think all of this is up in the air.

814
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 3: It's intentionally one of those you'll find out later, Okay, yeah, thanks.

815
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So elsewhere in the palace proven it is playing

816
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: like in a hallway with his robot because apparently like

817
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: he can't do it in his room because people will

818
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: find out. So he's playing with his robot and Desmond

819
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: Heart comes up. Prewe It is like, hey, Desmond Hart,

820
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't know you, but you're just like a weird,

821
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: strange man in the palace. Let me tell you about

822
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: my dad. Here's what's up. My dad thinks we should

823
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: never have gotten rid of computers and cell phones and

824
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: he wants them back.

825
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: Thinks that great, he would thinks everyone should have a

826
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: little airom.

827
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that stuff's got to come back. Heart says, you know,

828
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I was a soldier on Oracus and prewe

829
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: It is like, well, why are you here and he's like, well,

830
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: because the palace is like a battleground also, and then

831
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: he says, young boy, prew it. I have an important

832
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: mission and sadly that mission requires you to be dead,

833
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: and then he like fries the kid with his mind.

834
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: It's really gross.

835
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it goes on for a long time. They

836
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: are like making you watch and this is not like

837
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: a Jeoffrey who we know is evil. This is just

838
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: like a funny, little rude nine year old with a toy.

839
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: But alas he gets fried with The implication here to

840
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: me is this is to start some kind of war

841
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: or conflict or to stop the wedding, obviously, but also

842
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: I feel like now you're going to have like, oh,

843
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: there's someone in the palace who is a mole who

844
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: is killing people. But obviously we know it's hot, but

845
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone else is going.

846
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: To know that.

847
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: I think that Desmond Hard is working on the orders

848
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: of the Nascent Spacing guildh in order to make sure

849
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: that the spice production remains chaotic and is up for grabs,

850
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 1: so that they can get some access to this shit.

851
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: That's what I think.

852
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: I also wondered if it was like he's turned and

853
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: now he's on the side of the Fremen, so he's

854
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: actually there to stop spice being taken.

855
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't look a Fremen vibe.

856
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: He does look like he may have been doing some

857
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: kissing with a Fremen. Yeah, kissing a Fremen, marrying a Fremen,

858
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: killing children for a freemen. It could happen.

859
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: This guy has smelled the water of life.

860
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: Oh baby, he's spiced himself, that's for sure.

861
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: Valiya wakes to screaming in the school. Tula is also

862
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: awoken by this. They run up. They find Kasha wandering

863
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: the halls in agony, and then she burns up just

864
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: like Pruett died.

865
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: You know, I like Kasha. I was a big Kasha man.

866
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: The only Asian character dies in episode one. I can't

867
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: do we've done it again anyway. Valyya then says, I

868
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: see mother twice and clearly she realizes the importance of

869
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: this event in a way that we don't understand yet,

870
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: and that brings us to the end of our episode.

871
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: We be right back after the word for our sponsors

872
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: to discuss this episode. We're back. Okay, there's a lot.

873
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot here. Yeah, and while we discussed the episode,

874
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: let's also discuss some of the lore that we saw

875
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: so that we can all understand what we've seen. First

876
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: of all, just reactions. Aboo, you're the super fan. You've

877
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: been following this Yeah, guy for years, You've been following

878
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 1: the production news of this show for years. Your thoughts

879
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Episode one, Dune Prophecy.

880
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 3: I think I'm cautiously optimistic. I quite enjoyed this first episode,

881
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: and I want to come into it with an open mind.

882
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: Considering it is episode one. I'm trying to remember what

883
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 3: it felt like to watch Game of Thrones episode one,

884
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: and obviously.

885
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: I think this is very Game of Thrones episode one.

886
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I want to give it time to

887
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: tell its story and come into an open minded So

888
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let it do that before I come down

889
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: too hard on it. Obviously I come in with a

890
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: lot of preconceived notions, just being a Dune person and

891
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 3: being a lifelong fan of the universe and the books.

892
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 3: So there's a lot there. There's a lot of easter eggs.

893
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: There's a lot of deep cuts for folks who do

894
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: know you know, Like you mentioned Tiaran RFL earlier, Jason,

895
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: that is a deep, deep cut from the fourth and

896
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: fifth book that Frank Herbert wrote, of the six that

897
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: Frank wrote, and so like most people aren't making it

898
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: that far and aren't recognizing the word RFL, you know,

899
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: And that to me inspires a little bit of confidence

900
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: that the folks behind the show have done their own

901
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: work and are throwing in those deep cuts for the

902
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: super fans and doing their best to also make it accessible.

903
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 3: I agree with many of the criticisms we've talked about,

904
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: heavy on the exposition a bit of clunky storytelling, a

905
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: lot of things that are like we'll tell you about

906
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: this later, but just keep this in mind. Let's put

907
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: a pin in it. There's a lot of putting pin

908
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 3: in things for now. But again, episode one of a series,

909
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: it's got to establish a lot of things before we

910
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: get to the meat of it, so I'm willing to

911
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: give it a bit of grace. TLDR. I liked it.

912
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 3: I'm impressed by what I saw. It's very beautiful visually,

913
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: very beautiful, and I look forward to seeing how the

914
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: rest of it goes.

915
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: Rosie your thoughts.

916
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: I agree with the Boo. Also like Doune for me

917
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: in general, whether it's the Lynch Dune or the Denny

918
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: June or this or even the books when I'm brave

919
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: enough to try and dive into them, it's a vibe

920
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 2: property for me. I think it's all about the world

921
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: building and the vibe of it and whether you want

922
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: to spend time in that world. And I think Denny

923
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: made me want to spend time in it a lot,

924
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: so I got a lot more into done in the

925
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: books and this first episode. It does a lot of

926
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: things that I really enjoy. I love like a school story,

927
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: in a genre space, So I think it's very interesting

928
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: that we're getting this kind of Bena Jesuit training ground

929
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: that's very ya, very divergent. I was very into that.

930
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: I also thought that it looked great, very cool stuff

931
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: to see, and also I like the weird lore of

932
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: the Benny Jesre, so I'm interested to kind of see

933
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: that happen. Also, I did think, even though you know,

934
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: opening with a narration and a kind of flashback is

935
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: often a shortcut for doing a deeper storytelling, it was

936
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: interesting to see the visualization of what the Machine War

937
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: looked like because I think often Doune feels very archaic

938
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: and very star wars y and very like Sandy Planet's retrofuturism.

939
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: So it's really interesting to get to see that high

940
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: tech segment. So I would be interested to go back

941
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: and look at that. And obviously the AI stuff feels

942
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 2: very timely right now, Jason, what about you.

943
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: Agree with everything that was said. I'm cautiously in In fact,

944
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: I think very optimistic. I think that a really good

945
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: show I think could emerge here, and could emerge I

946
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: think pretty early on in this season, once we set

947
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: a baseline of understanding of where we are in the world.

948
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: I do think that there are I have small notes,

949
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: like I think the exposition could have been handled better.

950
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: I think that there was too much.

951
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: A lot of characters introduced as well, Like a lot of.

952
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: Characters, I think we could have narrowed the focus considerably,

953
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: like who I couldn't tell you who the main character

954
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: of this episode was, whereas in Game of Thrones episode one,

955
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: it was very clear and Ned was going to be

956
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: the main character of that story, and I think that

957
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of an issue. I do

958
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: think that there was too much, Like with so much

959
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: information coming at you, I disagree with, Hey, table this

960
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: for later, but it's going to be important. We're going

961
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: to come back to it. I think you need to

962
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: explain more right away and set the stakes right away.

963
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, or do more, like more distinct hooks rather than

964
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: put a pin in it. You want to feel hooked?

965
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: Do you want to it?

966
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: Like the wedding is a good example of like why

967
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: is everybody so anxious about this? And then you find

968
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: out it's a nine year old? Just tell us that,

969
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: like off the back, just give us that off the jump.

970
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: There are other weird things, like it was only when

971
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: we started talking in our pre recording powow that I

972
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: realized that it's very possible, if not likely, that Volia

973
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: lies to her sister Tula, that she actually checked the Bai.

974
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: The princess is the right person, because otherwise I was like,

975
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: why does this scene exist? Why is there a scene

976
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: in which Tula and Valia discuss whether or not to

977
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: check the archives and then Folly's like, Okay, I'll check them,

978
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: and then we get a scene later where she's leaving

979
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: the archives, She's like, I checked it. That's really clunky

980
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: to me, And the possibility that she's lying just kind

981
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: of slips by because of all this information that you

982
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: don't know of varying importance, and it's hard to understand,

983
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: like what's important what's not. I think they could have

984
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: set stuff up like that better by just letting you

985
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: see that she didn't actually do it, and and there's

986
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: like various things like that. Oh and one more, I

987
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: think that the Sisterhood is too far along. I would

988
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: have liked it if they were further back in their evolution,

989
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: because yes, they're not the Benny Jesuit yet, right, and

990
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: they've just only developed the voice, and they may not

991
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: have other technologies like the Gomjabar and different.

992
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: Already in these spaces.

993
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: But they're already there are They already have someone with

994
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: the emperor who's advising the emperor. They already have sisters

995
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: who are placed with very great houses throughout the lands

996
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: right including the Chess, and so they've already grown to

997
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: this incredible extent where they're doing essentially the core functions

998
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: of what the Benijeres are going to do ten thousand

999
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: years now, and I think that's too similar. I would

1000
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: have liked to see them having to make the case

1001
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: about why it's important to have one of these sisters

1002
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: to in your hall of power, like why do you

1003
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: want someone like this next to a duke, next to

1004
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 1: the emperor, next to a various other lords? And that's

1005
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: my only one note that said. I do I think

1006
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: this is I think this is really promising. I think

1007
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: obviously it looks great, and I think that there is

1008
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: potential for a really really fun show. And I love

1009
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: the kind of political machinations that direction they've taken it,

1010
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: which is so core I think to the experience of

1011
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: reading Dune, and so I can't wait to see where

1012
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: this goes. Now that we've talked about our reactions. I

1013
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: think we're all on the same page. Let's mine the mind,

1014
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: yes of super producer Boo, to try and understand this

1015
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: world a little better and get some of that exposition

1016
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: that that show dumped on us to set in our

1017
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: minds a little bit more. Let's start. You mentioned RFL,

1018
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: the term we heard. Let's go further into some of

1019
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: those easter eggs. What are some of those deep cuts

1020
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: those easter eggs that the show dropped on us.

1021
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 3: Sure, so there's a couple of things that I found.

1022
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: And this is all super fun for me personally because

1023
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: I love world building. And again, I'm picking apart some

1024
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: of these because I think it shows us the confidence

1025
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 3: with which the creators are coming into this story. They've

1026
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: done their homework, and that inspires confidence in someone like me.

1027
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: I mentioned RFL, so we already talked about how in

1028
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: the show it's defined as this great yet vague sort

1029
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 3: of existential threat for the Sisterhood, some sort of reckoning,

1030
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: perhaps a tyrant. It's not very well defined what exactly

1031
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: this RFL threat is, but we know that Raquela has

1032
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: foreseen it and Vally is working toward preventing it. And

1033
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: what's funny is like in the fourth and fifth do

1034
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 3: in books. That's basically how it's used in the books

1035
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: as well, this vague existential threat that's very loosely defined

1036
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 3: that folks are foreseeing and worried about and trying to prevent.

1037
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 3: I did a little bit of history. What's fun is

1038
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: Frank is obviously borrowing a lot of his world building

1039
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 3: from real world religions and traditions and cultures. And so RFL,

1040
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 3: for folks who may not know, is actually the Hebrew

1041
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: word for fog. And within a religious context you see

1042
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: RFL come up in the Bible a lot. For example,

1043
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 3: it's usually used to refer to the apocalypse. So clearly

1044
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 3: there's a line here between the way Frank is using

1045
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: it and the real world use of that word. Something

1046
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: else I wanted to call out quickly was at Raquella's funeral,

1047
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 3: we hear Dorotea and some of the other sisters say

1048
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 3: the words the mind of man is holy. And that's

1049
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: important because that's sort of like the rallying cry of

1050
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: the but Larians, the Butleryan gihad. Is is this turning

1051
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 3: against the machines, right, this war against the machines. Here

1052
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 3: in the show, it's a literal war. I would argue,

1053
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 3: in Frank Herbert's original interpretation of it, it was more

1054
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: of a religious Zelot turning against technology as something that

1055
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: harms us as humans, takes away our humanity, and so

1056
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: we turned against it. In the show it's a literal war.

1057
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 3: But regardless, the mind of man is holy is sort

1058
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 3: of the rallying cry of that man is holy and

1059
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: relying too much on technology takes away from man's holiness.

1060
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 3: And Jason, before our recording, you had asked, like, where's

1061
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: the line? You know, what are we saying is a

1062
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 3: thinking machine and must be banned? And where are we

1063
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 3: saying it's okay? And I think the easiest way to

1064
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: think about it is a thinking machine is something that

1065
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: can compute on its own, and any sort of mechanical

1066
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 3: machine that requires human input and human control to operate

1067
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: is fine. Maybe it toes the line a little bit,

1068
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: and certainly many technologies in the books toe the line.

1069
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: A lot of cultures are pushing how far they can

1070
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: mess with the Butlerians, But I think it's that so

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00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: like a computer that does, like advanced computations, not kosher,

1072
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 3: but like a I don't know, like a claw machine,

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00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 3: a ship, a ship, something that moves because like people

1074
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 3: push buttons. That's okay, So that's interesting. Two super quick

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00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: things I wanted to call out as well. We see

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00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 3: the blue within blue eyes in this episode, which is

1077
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: fun because we've seen that Timothy Shallowy himself gets blue

1078
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 3: eyes in the movies. Here it's Kieran's girlfriend, question Mark friend.

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00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 3: She has blue eyes, And if you've only seen the movies,

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00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 3: you might think is that a Fremen because I've only

1081
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: ever seen Fremen with blue eyes. But the reality is

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00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: these eyes, which are called the eyes of a bad

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00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 3: are just the result of spice addiction. So we're getting

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00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 3: some hints here that maybe a lot of this clobe ub,

1085
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 3: a lot of what's being consumed is spice or spice adjacent,

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00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 3: and perhaps this person in particular is addicted and has

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00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: the blue eyes.

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00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: Question regarding spice addiction, because I think we've seen from

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00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: Dune and from the later lore that continue to suspice

1090
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: you basically become immortal, but it also mutates you use

1091
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: of the fucking like a crazy huge cadpole. Much of

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00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: the Space and Guild. That said, it seems to me

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00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: like how expensive would like a crippling spice addiction be

1094
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: because this is like the rarest, the most hard to get,

1095
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: the most important substance in the universe, and it is

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00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: a little crazy to me that it would even be

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00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: possible to use it recreationally.

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00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: Yes, you are correct. I think we are seeing a

1099
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 3: club for the one percenters. Hence the princess is going

1100
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 3: to this club in particular, and I think the patrons

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00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: are also fellow one percenters. The economics, of course, like

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00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: frankdon lay out the economics of spice, and if you

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00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 3: try to pick apart the hints throughout the books and

1104
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: do the math, which I have tried to do, it

1105
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 3: makes absolutely no sense. So I think just the simple

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00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 3: answer to that is like spice is available to the

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00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: wealthy enough people and they are able to consume it

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00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 3: in enough quantities, which is not a lot. You only

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00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 3: need a little bit of spice to get addicted.

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00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: You mentioned the earlier in our conversation, like the kind

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00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: of like the three legged tripod the Emperor.

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00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 2: That's why I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, tell us

1113
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 2: about how why is spice important in a post computer

1114
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 2: world and what does it allow humanity to do.

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00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: That's a great question. First of all, it's economically important. Spice,

1116
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 3: very analogous to oil, is the oil of this universe.

1117
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 3: It operates a lot of things. So the Guild operates

1118
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 3: giant ships. But since it can't travel through space and

1119
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: through void space using advanced computers that do the computations

1120
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 3: for them, they use these tadpole fish people that you're

1121
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 3: alluding to, Jason, which we won't see until future books

1122
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: and movies. These navigators consume tons and tons of spice.

1123
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 3: They live in these giant vats of spice, and then

1124
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: they basically they trip balls and vision their way through

1125
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 3: safely navigating this ship. So spice is the engine that

1126
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 3: is powering transportation within the Empire. That's one value of it.

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00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 3: The Sisterhood needs spice in order to create reverend Mothers,

1128
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 3: in order to create truth sayers, So there's another political

1129
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: and economic aspect of it. The Sisterhood needs it, so

1130
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: it's necessary for a lot of the groups that pop

1131
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 3: up host Machine War to fill in the gaps of technology.

1132
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 3: Spice powers a lot of these groups and their abilities

1133
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: and thus becomes this very essential commodity that many groups

1134
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 3: need for various reasons. And then are fighting over because

1135
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 3: of politics and power.

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00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: Anything else that we should know that will help us

1137
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: understand the world of Doom Prophecy as we head into

1138
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: the rest of the season.

1139
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: The final thing, this is a deep, deep cut one

1140
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 3: last thing I wanted to kind of shout out for,

1141
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 3: in particular my Dune heads out there. The Empress has

1142
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 3: this very quick throwaway line about the traders of Harmon

1143
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: THEP when she's talking about her wedding dress with Yez,

1144
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 3: and that perked my ears up because Harmon THEP is

1145
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: a planet that shows up in many of the Brian

1146
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: Herbert Kevin J. Anderson prequel books. It's also in the

1147
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 3: Dune Encyclopedia, which is this expanded lore book that was

1148
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: created and then decanonized many years ago. But Harmit THEP

1149
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: is fun that it got a name drop because it's

1150
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: a planet that's located in the same Solar system as Kaladin.

1151
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 3: It has a pretty interesting history the precursors to the

1152
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: Fremen people known as the Zensuni Wanderers. It was one

1153
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 3: of the planets that they wandered to. These people were

1154
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 3: basically persecuted and forcibly migrated from planet to planet before

1155
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: settling on Oracus. Harmon Dep was one of those planets.

1156
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 3: What's fun is we are so far back in the

1157
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: history again, ten thousand years back in the.

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00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: History that's twice recorded human history.

1159
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so we are so far before any of this.

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00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: These Zansuni wanderers are not on Harmon Dep right now

1161
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 3: in the show. None of that matters really, Like Harma

1162
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: Dep gets blown up. It gets nuked and blown up

1163
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: six thousand years after this show takes place. But what's

1164
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 3: fun is, by the time we're in Paul's universe, Harmit

1165
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 3: Dep is like a rumor. It's a lost world. There's

1166
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: a lost language. Nobody knows what happened to Harmon thep

1167
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 3: And it's fun to get again these really deep cuts

1168
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 3: in a show that clearly knows that the super fans

1169
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: like me are going to be out here listening for

1170
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. So I wanted to call that

1171
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 3: out too. I think that's fun that they're picking tiny,

1172
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: tiny details and like throwaway planets to include in the writ.

1173
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: That's the kind of stuff that makes us excited to

1174
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: watch these shows and kind of agree into them. And yeah, yeah,

1175
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 2: this was really fun. I'm glad to be learning more

1176
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: about the wild world of Dune.

1177
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, truly wild.

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Speaker 1: On tomorrow's episode of X ray Vision, we're diving into

1179
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: our favorite films in the world of sword and Sandals,

1180
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: movies and television shows, and then our Friday we're sharing

1181
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: our reactions to Gladdie in a tube. That's it for

1182
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: the episode. Thanks for listening, Bye bye. X ray Vision

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01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,440
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01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are Joelle

1185
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a Boo Zafar.

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Speaker 1: song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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