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Speaker 3: Welcome to Forgotten Seasons. This is your host, Dylan Dreyfus.

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Speaker 3: Today we're going to Disney World. We got Matt Barnes

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Speaker 3: reliving the twenty ten Magic Season with us.

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Speaker 2: Matt was a fourteen year pro.

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Speaker 3: So we're grateful to have him on Forgotten Seasons today,

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Speaker 3: All right, everybody, welcome to Forgotten Seasons. Welcome to Matt Barnes.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for hopping on. How's it going, man?

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Speaker 1: Go well, man, appreciate you guys having me. I'm a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I appreciate that. Big fan of all the Smoke.

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Speaker 1: It's always a great energy, great guy to be around here.

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Speaker 1: Incredible, absolutely incredible, the biggest security blanket I've ever got

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Speaker 1: And I think people forget how fast or how good

429
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Speaker 1: he was because when he went to the Lakers, he

430
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Speaker 1: had that back injury and tried to rush everything back,

431
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,159
Speaker 1: and then he went from Superman to someone that you know,

432
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,119
Speaker 1: had trouble dunking for a while, so he got his

433
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Speaker 1: feet back under him. So I really wish that, you know,

434
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 1: he would have took his time and got completely healthy

435
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,919
Speaker 1: and got to take that Orlando talent to the Laker talent,

436
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 1: because that would have been really scary.

437
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Speaker 3: Well, regardless of that first out, Hall of Fame, I

438
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,440
Speaker 3: don't think there's there's a question there moving on.

439
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Speaker 2: Richard lewis Man.

440
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Speaker 1: Sweet Lou, A quiet assassin, someone that just did his job,

441
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 1: night in night out, I like to laugh, like to

442
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 1: joke around, but a consummant pro, you know, someone who

443
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 1: was always ready to play every single night. M hm h.

444
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 3: Fellow fellow podcaster JJ Reddick bubbs.

445
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Speaker 1: JJ was kind of coming into his own at that time,

446
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, kind of really finding his footing. I think

447
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 1: Orlando was who drafted JJ, right, I believe, yeah, yeah, yeah,

448
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 1: So you know, it took him a little while to

449
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 1: get going, and he would show flashes of you know,

450
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 1: the player he turned out to be, you know, one

451
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 1: of the best shooters this game's ever seen. Real good

452
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: guy and funny story. And I think we talked about

453
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,679
Speaker 1: this about either my podcast or hit podcast, you know,

454
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 1: with that duke stigma, JJ was the guy just like

455
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 1: I know, I'm not gonna like this guy. Fuck this guy,

456
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 1: and and you know, obviously I think people kind of

457
00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 1: have preconceived notion. It's totally natural. And you know, JJ

458
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 1: was one of the guys that when I got there

459
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 1: stick by out the window, loved him and to this

460
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: day probably one of the from that team, probably one

461
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: of the only guys I still talk to, you know,

462
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 1: because we got a chance to get him to play

463
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: each other with the Clippers the second time around. So

464
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: went from kind of being young and thinking I'm not

465
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Speaker 1: going to like this dupe guy, to you know, to

466
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 1: really becoming friends with JJ and becoming a real stand

467
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Speaker 1: of him on and off the court.

468
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Speaker 3: Well when you watch when you watch him his college highlights,

469
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 3: it's it's hard.

470
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Speaker 2: To not have that statement right right, all right. Lastly,

471
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Speaker 2: Jamior Nelson.

472
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Speaker 1: A man, jamiir, great guy, great leader. If you look

473
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Speaker 1: back and look at him, just so impressive because he's

474
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Speaker 1: really such a small guy, under six feet tall. But

475
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Speaker 1: you can never tell. You know, he played with the

476
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Speaker 1: heart of a seven footer, hit big shots. Was was

477
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Speaker 1: definitely our team leader, uh, on both ends of the floor,

478
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: and really gave everything he had to the game. Someone

479
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Speaker 1: who also liked that one thing about this team. We

480
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: had a good time on and off the court, Like

481
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Speaker 1: this team had fun, laugh that was always loose. But

482
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Speaker 1: when it was time to go, it was time to go.

483
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Speaker 1: But Jamiir was definitely one of those guys that to

484
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Speaker 1: me was underrated, you know, for how small he is,

485
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Speaker 1: how small he was, what he was able to accomplish

486
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: in this game was very impressive to me.

487
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Speaker 3: And you talked about just stan Van Gundy, your respect

488
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Speaker 3: for him. I know that we'll and we'll get into

489
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Speaker 3: this later. You know that the Celtics series when things

490
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Speaker 3: sort of went awry with him. But you've also you know,

491
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Speaker 3: said and JJ and the other players that he might

492
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Speaker 3: be the smartest coach that you've ever played under. He

493
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Speaker 3: had a bit of a rocky stint recently in New Orleans.

494
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Speaker 3: I think that was a challenging situation. A young team,

495
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Speaker 3: no real uh, you know, they weren't well defined. But

496
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Speaker 3: what was like, what was your experience playing understand, and

497
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Speaker 3: I guess you speak to you know, his preparation ability

498
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Speaker 3: and his skill level, just you know, with the Axes

499
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Speaker 3: and O's and as a coach.

500
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Speaker 1: Well, I thought, I'll go backwards with you. I thought

501
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: that New Orleans Higher wasn't a good hire because I

502
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: know that Stand is an old school coach, and I

503
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: know this game today is more about relating to players

504
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: than actually X's and O's because the game is so

505
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: free flowing. So I saw that roster and remember what

506
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: Stan was like, you know, nearly ten to eleven years ago,

507
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: and I just knew. And it wasn't really even a

508
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: knock on Stan. It was just kind of I think

509
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Speaker 1: in this I say this is all due respect, because

510
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Speaker 1: again I respect Stan's mind to the utmost. I think

511
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: the game had passed him by. The game is so

512
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: different now, and players are so different now and get

513
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: treated so different now, and shit is so different that

514
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: I knew his old ways wouldn't bode well in New Orleans.

515
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: But when I got a chance to play with Stan again,

516
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: great X and O's execution in game adjustments at a timeout,

517
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: plays like Stan was one of the best that I'd

518
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: ever been around. But it came to that attention to detail. Second,

519
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: the only thing I didn't like is, you know, when

520
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: Stan would get heated or start talking, you get that

521
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: foamy shit in the corner of his mouth, and sometimes

522
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: that shit would shoot on you or even when you're

523
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: talking to him. You don't want to run your own

524
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: ship just to make your ship wasn't make sure your

525
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: ship wasn't fowming. But again, like I said, one of

526
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: those one of those guys that you know, you know,

527
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 1: knows the game like the back of his hand, always

528
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: had us ready, always had us prepared. And that's what

529
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: you want from a coach. You want him to give

530
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: us his all. So all we have to do is

531
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Speaker 1: go out there and execute. And we did that through

532
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Speaker 1: the entire season, through the first two rounds, and then

533
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Speaker 1: we went to the Eastern Conference finals. I don't know

534
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Speaker 1: what the fuck got into him, but he wanted to

535
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: change everything up that year, or excuse me, everything up.

536
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: You know. Keep in mind, we had swept we had

537
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: swept Charlotte Jacks teen, beat the dog shit out of him,

538
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: swept swept Atlanta pretty handily. And then I want to

539
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Speaker 1: say we either I don't know if we played Boston

540
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: three or four times that year, but I want to say,

541
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Speaker 1: we only lost to Boston one time that year. So

542
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: we're kind of looking like, okay, man, let's get the

543
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Speaker 1: Boston and we're going to go see the Lakers in

544
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Speaker 1: the finals. We're gonna be ready for him. And it

545
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: was going to be dope because obviously this is the

546
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: ball of fake Year and there was so much ride on,

547
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, the year before, so we were really excited

548
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: to get a chance to go back and play the

549
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: Lakers to give because you know, we thought we could

550
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: beat them. So we get to the Eastern Finals and

551
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: I remember Staying saying something like, you know, this is

552
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: a really good veteran team and we're gonna have to

553
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Speaker 1: make a few adjustments and then switch some things up

554
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Speaker 1: on offense. And when you hear that, you're like, okay,

555
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: get you know, Eastern Conference Finals. You know, the game

556
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: plan gets a little tighter, everything gets a little more strategic.

557
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: But when I tell you we went and reconfigured everything,

558
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: and we're all like, you know, what the fuck are

559
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: we doing, like completely going away from everything we did

560
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: to get there, running different sets even I think a

561
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: different rotation, and it was a nightmare and all it

562
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: kept going back in my mind thinking was what Shaq

563
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: said when Shaq had in Miami, that you know, this

564
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: guy freezes under pressure, but this guy gets nervous under pressure.

565
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that came to mind. It was like, Stan, like,

566
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Speaker 1: we have this, I'm not mistaken, the second best record

567
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: in the league. We had eight to zero in the playoffs,

568
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: beating teams by an average of twenty points a game.

569
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: Like what are we really switching right? I understand we're

570
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: playing the Boston team, who's tough veteran team, but like

571
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: we're switching up everything we did to get here. And

572
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, I want to say that that that Boston

573
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: beat us in six. I think they won the first

574
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: three games, we won the second game, the next two games,

575
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Speaker 1: and then I think they closed us out in game

576
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: six in Boston.

577
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Speaker 3: He was spooked by Tom Thibodeau in the defensive mind

578
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: of those Celtics teams going back quickly, just like to

579
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: the regular season, you guys got you know, you guys

580
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: who were number two seed, the Caves, the Cavs are

581
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: in there with Lebron, the Celtics, the Hawks. I think

582
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 3: that you guys felt that you were the best team

583
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: in the league probably that year, but definitely the East.

584
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 3: Who in your mind was that second team that you

585
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: expected and maybe you know, had to get up with it,

586
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: Boston or Cleveland.

587
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: I thought more Cleveland, to be honest with you. But

588
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: then when you look on paper, Boston's team was tough

589
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: but just was insane at that time. But Boston's had

590
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: a better roster, but Cleveland had Lebron, you know what

591
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean. So the roster, with all due respect to

592
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: Cleveland's roster, you still had Lebron, and you know, and

593
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: Lebron brought the best out of every player who was

594
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: on his team. So you know, we were thinking, we

595
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: handle our business. We're gonna see Cleveland in the Eastern Finals.

596
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: But you know, obviously Boston has something to say with

597
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: that and and handle their business well.

598
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: Boston, like you obviously they have the Big three and

599
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: then Rondo, but they also had that year like Rashid Wallace,

600
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: they had Tony Allen, Eddie House, Like that's sort of

601
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: the that's to a championship team. The vets start to

602
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: sort of trickle in trying to get that ring. But

603
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 3: and then just staying just like with the theme around

604
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: the league, you as one of the premier perimeter defenders.

605
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 3: I want to ask you who you know, your your

606
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: toughest matchups were. But first, like, who else in the

607
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: league at as a perimeter defender did you respect and

608
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: did you maybe like study or or look at and

609
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 3: just like just really respect on the defensive end of

610
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: the floor.

611
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: Uh, Tony Allen was first team.

612
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: Kobe was one because Kobe was that superstar that played

613
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: both sides, like Mike. But then outside of those, those

614
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: are two guys that come to mind. But then outside

615
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: of that, like I really just tried to be my

616
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: own because I always kind of thought I was a

617
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: football player playing basketball. You know, I grew up playing football.

618
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: Football is my first sport. So I know if I

619
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: can mix physicality and with the ability to stay in

620
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: front of people and be tough and tough minded, that

621
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: I was going to have a you know, uh, pretty good.

622
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: I would be pretty good at what I did. And

623
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: although I never really got recognized for defense with any

624
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: kind of awards or accolades, you know, there was a

625
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: time where I was, you know, definitely top five wing

626
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: defenders in the game. And it was crazy that little

627
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: article you sent that I read the other day. I

628
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: didn't even I remember that. I it was weird because

629
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: Joe was a killer at that time. I want to say,

630
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: they had Jamal Crawford on that Atlanta team too, right,

631
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: Mike Babes, Yeah, like those guys are so shitty, so shaky.

632
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: But I never had any issues with those guys. And

633
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: I obviously say that with all due respect because they

634
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: were great offensive players. But I knew that, you know,

635
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: there were certain guys. I knew that if I could

636
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: be physical with him and just stay on their ass,

637
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't be as effective as they normally are.

638
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: And I was able to do that with Joe Johnson.

639
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't realize what he you know, I

640
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 1: want to say he was ever in the twenty three

641
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: a year, that twenty three a game that year, and

642
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: I held him to like twelve twelve a game, crazy,

643
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: like low thirty percent shooting. You know, did a good

644
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: job on Jamal as well. So it was something that

645
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, being caught up in the moment, I didn't

646
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: really realize, you know, how good I was playing. But

647
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: then when you sent that article the other day, I

648
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: was like, damn, I really was playing some defense. But

649
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: it was just fun. You know that I knew. See,

650
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: that's why I was able to play. You know, I

651
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: was able to play fourteen years and left on my

652
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: turns because I quickly found once I got a chance

653
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: to play that you know, and this is something Doc

654
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: Rivers had to be a star in your role, you know,

655
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: everyone what I'd liked to get more shots, but I'd

656
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: like to score twenty a game, absolutely, but that just

657
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: wasn't what my role was. My role was to be

658
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: a you know, a defensive, hard nose, rebounding player and

659
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: knock down my shots when they come. So once I've

660
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: kind of figured out my role, no matter what team

661
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: I went on, it was always easier for me to

662
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: fit in, blend in and do my job because I

663
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: knew exactly what my job was. Now what I know,

664
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Speaker 1: drop twenty five thirty every once in a while, yeah,

665
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, like I knew,

666
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: my job was to guard the best player and bring

667
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: some toughness and it adds to a team. So, you know,

668
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: and I think that's what hurts a lot of players

669
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,720
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670
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,360
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671
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,520
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672
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: These guys are scoring their sleep. But you know, there's

673
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: a role for everybody in this league if you kind

674
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,920
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675
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Speaker 1: once I got a chance to start playing, I was

676
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Speaker 1: just like, you know what I need to do to

677
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Speaker 1: stay on the floor. Okay, I need to do that.

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Speaker 1: And I did it to the us, to my abilities.

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Speaker 2: I want to go to the end of the season.

707
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: You guys win twenty three your last twenty eight games,

708
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: you're rolling. You know you have the number one net

709
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: rating in the league, you have a top four offense

710
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: and a defense. Any memories of just like that end

711
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: of season when things are just clicking and falling into place.

712
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Right before the playoffs, we just knew we had a

713
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: really good scene. And again, although I want to say

714
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: that game was in March first the Lakers, you know,

715
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: playing the defending champs, and the only thing that everyone

716
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: remember was the ball fake. But we ended up winning

717
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: that game. I want to say, I hit a big

718
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: three down the stretch to clinch it. Like we knew

719
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: we had. We were looking at ourselves as the best

720
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: team in the league, although you know, Cleveland had a

721
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: better record, LA was defending champs. We knew that if

722
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: we can bottle up the way we were playing down

723
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: the stretch into these playoffs, that we were going to

724
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: get our first championship. And you know, we and we

725
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: again we came out the gates. You know, we went

726
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: twenty three of our last twenty eight and then we

727
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: start the playoffs eight to o. With that, I want

728
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: to say our average margin victory was like eighteen to twenty.

729
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: It might have been even higher. I want to say

730
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: we had set some standard for it.

731
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: First magic team in history to sweep in a seven

732
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: game series too, so historic.

733
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So, like I said, we were all we

734
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: had a really really really good team, and like I said,

735
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: we were locked in and we were ready to go.

736
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously I credit that to stand. You know,

737
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: stands that the leader of our squad and always had

738
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: us well prepared. And then you know our team again

739
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 1: just from one to eleven, one to twelve, like guys

740
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: that can our contributors can start elsewhere. And every one

741
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: had to make a little bit of a sacrifice. Obviously

742
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: if you weren't Dwight or was shot or Vince, but

743
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: everyone else had to make a little bit of a

744
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: sacrifice and we all made that.

745
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: So eight known the first two rounds. You sweep your

746
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: brother Jack, I heard he likes to say that, you know,

747
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: he gave you as the work. But if you look

748
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: at the stats, not the best shooting performance. Although he

749
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 3: didn't have to, he had to carry.

750
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: Shot a lot, Yeah, a lot. I wouldn't say shooting

751
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: percentage was good, but he had to carry that low

752
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: because we had pretty much put a blanket on everybody else.

753
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: I want to say, Jack might have been in the twenties,

754
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: but I know shooting percentage is probably in the toilet.

755
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: But he probably had fun. Though he probably had fun.

756
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack was a score, you know, and obviously you

757
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: want to challenge yourself, and that's the way I kind

758
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: of looked at everything, you know, whether it be Jack

759
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: Kobe Joe, Like, if you're going to score thirty points,

760
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: I want you to take thirty shots, you know what

761
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean, And that's probably going to leave you with,

762
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, a sub forty shooting percentage. So that was

763
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: kind of my goal, Like you're never going to stop

764
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: a great score. You just want to make him work

765
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: for everything.

766
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 3: And then the Hawks you touch on it. You guys

767
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: are winning by like twenty plus every game. That article

768
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: said that you actually cost Joe Johnson like millions because

769
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: that was going into his his free agency year and

770
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: front of his last impression of him is is Matt

771
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: Barnes putting a blanket over him? But then that Boston

772
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: series comes out a guy that really played well that

773
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: series was Paul Pierce. Talk a little bit about just

774
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: the challenges you mentioned having success against the shift of

775
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 3: your guys. But that's not a shifty guy. That's a

776
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: big boy. That's a big boy. So what's the like

777
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: matching up against Paul Pierce? I saw, I saw you

778
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: also were hanging out with them the other day with

779
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: your kids too.

780
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was. I was with pp yesterday. Paul

781
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: was different. And I think because Paul has been removed

782
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: from the game and has some al Landis takes every

783
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: once in a while that people people forget how good

784
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: Paul Pierce, the truth was and he was a top

785
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: five scorer in that game. Whether his numbers showed that,

786
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: his just pure ability with his strength, athleticism mid range game.

787
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: And the biggest thing about Paul was he was never

788
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: scared of the moment. He was really clutch. And one

789
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: thing I remember about again that series, that the rotation

790
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: changed up, so we were playing weird minutes where like

791
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: I would play one quarter, Patrice had played one quarter

792
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like a back and forth

793
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: kind of situation. So, you know, Paul ate that series

794
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: and and played really well, and I was frustrated a

795
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: get me because, like I said, I know my job

796
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: was to you know, still the best player down and uh,

797
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: it just didn't happen in that series. But again, I

798
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: think people forget how good Paul Pierce was because he'll

799
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: say some crazy shit on TV every once in a while,

800
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: But when it came between them lines and time to

801
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: go in big moments, h you know, I would take

802
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: someone like Paul Pierce to war every single day.

803
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: Well, I grew up a Knicks fan, and like my

804
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: memories of a Knicks fan, half of them are Paul Pierce,

805
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: just like sinking a dagger into their into them in

806
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 3: Madison Square Gardens.

807
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm well aware of the greatness.

808
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: Of Paul Pierce, but I agree with you that people

809
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: people don't really realize that. And you mentioned just a

810
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: little bit about like stand changing the schemes. I'm curious, like,

811
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: what is the actual accident always changed, because I know

812
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: that your offense changed to like sort of emotion offense,

813
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 3: which is just not what you guys were about. So

814
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: I'm curious, like bring us into that like practice that

815
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: he says, Okay, it's time to prepare for Boston. This

816
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: is what we're gonna do now, like talk talking to

817
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: schematic level.

818
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Uh, you know what's weird. And I was trying to

819
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: think of this because I knew you were going to

820
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: ask it. I really couldn't even think from a scheme

821
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: level because it was so different from what we did.

822
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: And I think I was so mentally like what the

823
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: fuck are we doing that I didn't pay attention to

824
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: what he was actually trying to get us to do,

825
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: which was weird. And I want to say, that's how

826
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: a lot of guys felt, because again, JJ and I

827
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: shared these same sentiments when we spoke on the podcast.

828
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: It was just like so different from what we were

829
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: doing that it wasn't us. But at the same time,

830
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: I couldn't even tell you, what are you just trying

831
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: to get us to do? Because we were just like, Yo,

832
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Like we just killed the end of

833
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: the regular season, we've ran through the playoffs, Like why

834
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: are we switched? I think you make tweaks here and there,

835
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: but what are we switching?

836
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: Like?

837
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: Why are we switching everything up? So the anger your

838
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: c I can't really give you a strategic answer because

839
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: I think my mind was so set on what the

840
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: fuck are we doing that I wasn't really paying attention

841
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: to what he was trying to get us to do.

842
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: So with that, you.

843
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: Guys losing six, like you said, you were down three

844
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 3: to zero. You went a few, but then they take

845
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: it in six and then you signed that one year

846
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: deal and you're gone. You know, I saw that you

847
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 3: you wanted to come back to Orlando and the feelings

848
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: weren't mutual.

849
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: So I started, yeah, so I kind of, I mean,

850
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: I've always been someone you know, obviously, looking back at

851
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: my career now, I probably should have shut the fuck

852
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: up a little bit more. But I was always someone

853
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: who kind of spoke my mind. And it wasn't really

854
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: unkno dishous, spectful shit. It was just shit that maybe

855
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: people shouldn't say, but it was real, you know what

856
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean. And I think that's what allowed me to

857
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: stay relevant after my career. Is like, even though it

858
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: may not be the popular thing to say, or maybe

859
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: players shouldn't say it, I would say it. And one

860
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: thing I remember hearing from my agent which was weird

861
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: as fuck to me. They said that they want to

862
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: pay JJ and they were going to pay JJ Moore

863
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: and they felt like I would have a problem with that,

864
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: And like, first of all, like guys have been getting

865
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: paid more than me and my whole career, I don't

866
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: give a fuck what no one makes. Just give me

867
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of money because I feel like I

868
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: earned it. So that was the excuse that my agent

869
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: told me that they kind of gave him. And I'm

870
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: just like, this kind of sounds like stand doesn't want

871
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: me back. This is not something I would I would

872
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: never hate on nobody getting money to me. We all

873
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: need to get paid as much as he possibly can.

874
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: As long as I get some of that, I'm good.

875
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: So that situation falls apart. But oddly enough, you know,

876
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: pat Riley starts hitting me right agency and I'm thinking,

877
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: like I grew up in California a Laker fan. I'm thinking,

878
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: motherfucking mafia. Pat Riley is like on my line, and

879
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: so this is he's telling me, like this team they're

880
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're they're in the process of building, like, hey,

881
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna get Lebron. You know, Mike Miller, Bosh's he

882
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: I remember him telling me it's like, you know, our

883
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: closing lineup would be Lebron, d Wade, Mike Miller, Chris

884
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: Bosh and me. As he was pitching then Heaston. Then

885
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: he got d Wade on the phone a couple of times.

886
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: So I'm talking to the Miami Heat, thinking like the

887
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: fuck they're about to build this rock star team. This

888
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: team doesn't like me. I'm just gonna go up the

889
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: freeway and go win a championship in Miami. So that's

890
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: where my mind was set. My heart was set. You know,

891
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: at the time, I was telling my girl just like

892
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going back to call. You

893
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: might just be going up the freeway to Miami. And

894
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden I get a call, and

895
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: people who know me is I don't answer my phone,

896
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: even if the name is on there. I just I'm

897
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: not a person who answer the phone. But for some

898
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: reason I answered this phone this particular day and it

899
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: was a number that I did I didn't know, and

900
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: I answered it. I'm like hello, like and b what's good?

901
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: Chilling him up? Who's this? He's like Cobe And the

902
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: first I was like, shut the fuck up, Like who's this.

903
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: He's like, Noah, it's Kobe. And I'm like, how'd you

904
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: get my number? Sets I called so and so to

905
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: get your number and we start talking back and forth

906
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: or like what's up? He's just like, you know, I

907
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: really like you know, your tenacity and the way you

908
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: play and this, this and that. He's like, have you

909
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: ever thought about being a Laker. I'm like, man, I've

910
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: dreamed of being a Laker, like the Lakers had been

911
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: my favorite team. And he's just like, well, shit, anyone

912
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: crazy enough to fuck with me, it's crazy enough to

913
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: play with me. I'm gonna get you here and I'm

914
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: like where He's like yeah, and that was it and

915
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: like three days later, four days later, I was a Laker.

916
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: Had you had you had?

917
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: Because we talked, like the ball fake game happens this year?

918
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: Was there any closure or like, was there any communication

919
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 3: in between that and the phone call?

920
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: So Kobe and I always had a mutual respect, So Kobe.

921
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: So I came to UCN. Kobe came to the Lakers

922
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: in ninety six. So you remember he's literally coming, as

923
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, a high school kid out to LA. So

924
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: Kobe used to be on our campus all the time,

925
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: you see, like walking around. He would work out after

926
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: our practices. I would sneak back in and watch them.

927
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: So I was just kind of a fan of him

928
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: because I saw his struggle, you know. So I would see,

929
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: like I didn't know at the time, it was a

930
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: struggle to disconnect with his current teammates. But he was

931
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: kind of the young outcast. So I would always think, like, Yo,

932
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: why is Kobe on our campus? But that was kind

933
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: of where he kind of felt comfortable with kids closer

934
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: to his age, you know, away from the Laker team

935
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: because the Laker teams all older vets and kind of

936
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: shock was the wringler of that team. So in the moment,

937
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it, but now looking back, obviously being older,

938
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: he felt more comfortable being our campus around kids that

939
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: were close to his age. So that's where he and

940
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: I met, and kind of it was more of just

941
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: an admiration of just like, God, this dude is a

942
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: fucking killer, Like he would work his ass off, and

943
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: I tell you, like I'd sneak back into Polly and

944
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: watch him work out. Sometimes it's like, yeah, this dude

945
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: is the next Michael Jordan's got me to be better

946
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: than Michael Jordan's. So it was always kind of just

947
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: an admiration thing of mine, and we knew each other

948
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: and then once I got in the league, it was

949
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: just always mutual respect. I just he I would always

950
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: play hard against him. I mean I played hard against everyone,

951
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: but he just knew like it wasn't getting me an

952
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: easy matchup. So leading up to that Orlando Magic situation,

953
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: there was never really much dialogue between me and Kobe.

954
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: It was always love when we seen each other, you know,

955
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: called me Ucli boy. We would always talk before games,

956
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: like on the court before the jump ball and shit,

957
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: But it was it wasn't necessarily like a friendship. It

958
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: was just a respect for, you know, the our competitive nature.

959
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: And then fast forward to that game where and people

960
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: know that, you know, you know, people who played against

961
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: Kobe and watched Coke Cobe was a dirty motherfucker. He

962
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: would do anything he could to get that advantage, and

963
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: most of the time the rest wouldn't call it. You know.

964
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: It was funny. We had Melow on the hundredth episode

965
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: and I remember Melo said, He's like, I'm gonna guard

966
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: you in the fourth quarter because they're not going to

967
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: call shit. But they didn't fucking call shit on Kobe

968
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: the whole game period. So he was just someone who

969
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: would grab elbow, do like hit you and like he

970
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: I remember in that Orlando game, I really want to

971
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,479
Speaker 1: fight him. That's where the ball they came from. Yelled

972
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: with me and the sternum, and I remember he went

973
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: and tried to block when of Dwight shots and he

974
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: was guarding me and I got a dunk tip and

975
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: I came off the rim and he hit me in

976
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: my nuts and then elbowed me underneath my chin. I'm like, yeah, what,

977
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: like this is going to be a fight, So anyway,

978
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: that whole situation was really just again back and forth, competitive, competitive.

979
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: So when I got this phone call, it was it

980
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: was really out of the blue. And again, like I said,

981
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: if I don't answer that call, I never checked my messages,

982
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: so it might have never happened. But for some reason,

983
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: God told me to answer the phone, and it's Kobe Bryant,

984
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, recruiting me to come to the Lakers. And

985
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, what better way to go

986
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: to my favorite team than to have the greatest Laker

987
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: of all time? You know, asked me to come join them.

988
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: So that was a dope moment for me.

989
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: That's incredible. You've been on a lot of good teams.

990
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: You want a championship with Golden State. Where does this

991
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: magic team rank on the best teams that you've played on?

992
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: Obviously, that Golden State team was probably number one? And

993
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: then I really want to say those Laker teams were

994
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: good too. The first year I went to the Lakers,

995
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: they had won two in a row. We were going

996
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: for a three peat. I tore my meniscus in March

997
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: and that's when we got swept by Dallas and Dallas

998
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: goes on to beat Miami. We had a really good team.

999
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: There was just some kind of disconnect. We lost momentum

1000
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: down the stretch. I really felt like those Lob City teams,

1001
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: we should have won a championship for sure. I think

1002
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: we were one of the best teams in the league,

1003
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: and but too much dysfunction. So I would put this

1004
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: Orlando Magic team maybe definitely top three. It's either I

1005
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: would go Golden State and then I don't know if

1006
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: it's a lob City or Magic two or three. I

1007
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: would just have to really kind of go back and

1008
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: look at some of the stuff. But I want to

1009
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: say those Golden State teams, I mean, excuse me, those

1010
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: Lob City teams, we were really, really, really good and

1011
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: do it. So yeah, definitely top three on teams I

1012
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: played off, for sure.

1013
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: That'd be a good matchup like that Lob City team

1014
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: versus I'm just trying to think of my head, like

1015
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: that Lob City team versus the Magic and like the

1016
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 3: matchups we covered Blake the other day, like.

1017
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: Ridiculous, you know, ridiculous.

1018
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: And the people forgot how good Blake was and how

1019
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: strong and athletic he was. And then that was DeAndre

1020
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: Jordan coming into his own ship. It depends on what

1021
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 1: team you talk about. At one point we had lamar

1022
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: Oda so our bench on those the Clipper teams. So

1023
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: the starters were cpj, JJ, Koran, Butler, Blake, and DJ

1024
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: and then off the bench was Eric Bledsoe, Jamal Crawford, myself,

1025
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: lamar odom and then like Ronnie Turry Off or Ryan Hollins,

1026
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 1: like our teams were stacked. And then the next year

1027
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: Doc came, Bled was gone and we placed Bled with

1028
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: Derrick Collison who was a killer. So it's just like

1029
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: those Lob City teams were really good.

1030
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: What's the what's the quick set? I mean it's probably

1031
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: not quick, but what's the dysfunction?

1032
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: Jealousy on whose team it was? And as guys continue

1033
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: to rise, guys are taking a little bit of light

1034
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: from who the light has always been on. And this

1035
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 1: is really not even a knock to to to our stars,

1036
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: you know. I just I definitely think there was a

1037
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: disconnect between Blake and Chris, and I think they worked,

1038
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: they worked hard to try to mend that. And to me,

1039
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: where I felt like the disconnect came was because at

1040
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: first it was Blake's team and then CP comes and

1041
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: it's CPS team and then see but CP is to

1042
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: this day one of my good friends. Our kids are

1043
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: best friends. Heies right around the corner from me. But

1044
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: CP is a throwback point guard. CEEP is a point

1045
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: guard like from the eighties or nineties, where he's not

1046
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: gonna sugarcoat. He's going to tell you straight, like, motherfucker,

1047
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: this is what you need to do. And I think

1048
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: at times that would ruffle Blake's feathers and ruffle DJ's feathers.

1049
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: So I'd have to come in and take what Chris

1050
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: says and kind of water it down, like, Yo, this

1051
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: is what Chris want you to do. This is it,

1052
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: this is what like he may have said, this isn't this,

1053
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: but this is what he wants. And for me, you know,

1054
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: him barking, I was fine because I would bark right

1055
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: back at him. I'm not tripping, but I always knew

1056
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: what he was trying to tell us was right. I

1057
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: just think his delivery would be wrong with some of

1058
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: this next generation the players, some of these younger players,

1059
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: and I felt like there was just disconnection there. And

1060
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: then you know, Dot comes in the mix and there's

1061
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: just a lot of different egos at the top of

1062
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: our team, from head coach to our best players that

1063
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: had just we just couldn't get it done. I mean

1064
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: we blew two three one three one lead with that

1065
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: two we rot two to three one leads.

1066
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: I know, Houston, Houston.

1067
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we lost to

1068
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: OKC on some some weird shit where Chris was trying

1069
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: to draw a three quarter court foul and they stole

1070
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: in hit some threes and I hit the ball already, Jackson.

1071
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: They called it out on me. So yeah, a lot

1072
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: of different stuff. But I think at the end of

1073
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: the day that if we could have, in a perfect example,

1074
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: while I was there, checked our egos at the door,

1075
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: like that Golden State team did that. The team that

1076
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: I played on the second time around, with the world

1077
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: as fucking talented as they were, with Kevin and and

1078
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: Clay and Steph and Dre and Coach and Iggy and

1079
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: the West, like, everyone left their their their agendas at

1080
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: the front door when they walked in that building. The

1081
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: only thing that mattered was winning, And I honestly can't

1082
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: say that was the key with our Clipper team. I

1083
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: think that's what got in the way. I think there

1084
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: were some agendas and egos that were ahead of us

1085
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: just winning.

1086
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: Is that with the Warriors? Like, is that possible?

1087
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: Because it's Steph leading the team and his and you know,

1088
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: if you I don't know them person, but you do.

1089
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 3: But I imagine Steph's delivery is not like Chris's delivery.

1090
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: Is that sort of there?

1091
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: I would say it's not. Steph's not the leader of

1092
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: that team's. Draymon is the leader of that team. And

1093
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: although Draymond's delivery may be rash or harsh, I think

1094
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: he knows how to deliver it, maybe a little bit

1095
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: better than Chris, but any of that. Sometimes you know,

1096
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: Dre under his own admittence, he'll go over the line,

1097
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the shit with him and KD.

1098
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: You know, so I think, you know, for some reason,

1099
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: it just didn't work. You know, Draymond had a very

1100
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: intelligent in a different type of delivery. Again, CP one

1101
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: of the greatest mind this game has ever seen. And

1102
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: I just think it wasn't what he was saying. It

1103
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: was his delivery that kind of rubbed people wrong.

1104
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: Sometimes I fucking love Draymond, like.

1105
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: I think that he I mean, I'm twenty three and

1106
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: I think in my lifetime He's the best defender I've

1107
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 3: ever seen, like those in those series like twenty sixteen,

1108
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: like Redefined, like how teams think about defense. You need

1109
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 3: somebody that can guard everything. And just like his communication

1110
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 3: is intensity, Like I just feel like it'd be so

1111
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 3: fun to play with him.

1112
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: His IQ was off the charts. And if you think

1113
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: about it, Draymond is not that big.

1114
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: Six seven, right, I think that's pushing it.

1115
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: That's a great I think maybe like that, you know,

1116
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: kind of like that Bart like in that six six

1117
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: sixth tap. But for him to guard one through five

1118
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: and do us successfully, and for him to be able

1119
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: to guard centers and slow them down in his side,

1120
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: it was really just a joy to because I watched

1121
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: it for song and then got to see it up close.

1122
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: Like his leadership out there again, his communication, his basketball IQ.

1123
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: I think that's why sometimes even if he came off

1124
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: a little harsh, those guys accepted it because he would

1125
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: leave it all out there on the court on the

1126
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: defensive ending and then he was such as you know,

1127
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: made so many sacrifices offensively. I mean, you think how

1128
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: good that team was. He had the ball in his

1129
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: hands when it mattered, you know, and he would get

1130
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: the ball to the right person when it mattered. So

1131
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: always a huge fan of Draymond of what he's been

1132
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: able to accomplish and help lead that team. You know,

1133
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: that's arguably one of the greatest teams to go down

1134
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: in NBA history. So I'm definitely up there. I agree

1135
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: with you. Draymond is definitely one of the best defensive

1136
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: players in the history of the game.

1137
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: We got a few minutes left and just to sort

1138
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 3: of close out this, this Magic series a sort of season,

1139
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: a reoccurring theme that we come across when we talk

1140
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 3: to you know, former players like you know Q Rich

1141
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: on the Suns, Xavier McDaniel in the nineties, nixt like

1142
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 3: these guys that.

1143
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: X Man x Man bad Man.

1144
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: Uh, these guys that didn't get the chance to run

1145
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 3: it back with teams that were really good. And when

1146
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 3: you think about those magic teams, like you have one

1147
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: year there you get very close to the finals, Like

1148
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 3: what do you have to say to that sort of

1149
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: sentiment of the value of sticking together as a group

1150
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: and not folding the first time that you fail.

1151
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: It's it goes to management. You know, they pay these

1152
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: guys in the front office a lot of a lot

1153
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: of money to make these decisions. But sometimes you know,

1154
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: they don't really have a feel for what's going on either.

1155
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: They might, you know, they might have a good mind

1156
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: for basketball, but they don't have a feel. And I think,

1157
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, not only even in my situation, but I

1158
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: think a lot of situations. I think, again referring to

1159
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: our hundredth episode, you know, when when Denver made that

1160
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: Western Conference run and then they want to completely rebuild.

1161
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: They want to get rid of Chelsea, they want to

1162
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: get rid of Jr. They want to get rid of everything.

1163
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: Instead of tweaking like you were a game or two

1164
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: games away from going to the finals. It shouldn't be

1165
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: a major rehaul. The should just be a few tink,

1166
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, a few changes here and there. So it's

1167
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: kind of a tough situation because, like I said, I

1168
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: think it happened so often with teams that are really talented,

1169
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: and and I think really too is I think there's

1170
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: a huge disconnect between the locker room energy and how

1171
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: important some guys are and then what actually shows up

1172
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: on the stat sheet night in night out, you know

1173
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. My stats were what they were, you know,

1174
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: I was right about at ten points by rebounds, a

1175
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: couple of assists, couple of steals. But I just think

1176
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: I brought so much value in those locker rooms, Like

1177
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: I was the one guy the team. They would tell me,

1178
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: and you hate playing you, but love playing with you.

1179
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean every team I went on, so you know,

1180
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: when you don't see the huge numbers out of your

1181
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: three man like it kind of makes you expendable. But

1182
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: at the same time, it was when I tell you,

1183
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: when I left that uh, that Lob City team, those

1184
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: guys would call me so much after me when we

1185
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: miss you. We've been talking to Doc about getting you back,

1186
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: like we just like a break and we like it's

1187
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: like a breakout and it's just like like because I

1188
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: was thinking, I'm just like damn, like how that like

1189
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: I don't think they understand Again, like I said, my

1190
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: numbers were what they were, But you know, to kind

1191
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: of be a glue guy on the court, but then

1192
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: also in the locker room, you know, because I'm someone

1193
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: that can I'll talk shit to anyone. I can be

1194
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: a bridge between stars. I'm an icebreaker, just someone that

1195
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: was always cool to have in the locker room in

1196
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: any tense situation or any fun situation. I'm gonna, you know,

1197
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: help you have fun. I'm gonna help de escalate ship,

1198
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna help communicate. But again, upper management doesn't know

1199
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff because they're not in the locker

1200
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: room with guys. And again it's not just me, I'm

1201
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: sure there's been plenty of guys, you know. Again, Mellow

1202
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: mentioned Dante Jones a similar role to what I had

1203
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: on my teams and in the But with the front

1204
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: office not being in the locker room seeing the day

1205
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: and day connection between us, they really don't understand. They're

1206
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: just looking at numbers. So it kind of is what

1207
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: it is. I don't know if there's going to be

1208
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: really a solution to that, but it's it's crazy when

1209
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: teams do make serious runs and then try to do major,

1210
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, overhauls after you're you're you're pretty much knocking

1211
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: on the doorstep of the finals. But it kind of

1212
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: is what it is.

1213
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 3: Well, hopefully it helps with the Bucks winning this year.

1214
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 3: I'm guilty of it myself, you know, when they because

1215
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 3: they looked horrible in the playoffs, like you know, in

1216
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 3: the previous years, Like I was one of the people saying, like,

1217
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 3: you know, Bud probably has to go. They got to

1218
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: get somebody better than Chris Milton, but I think, uh,

1219
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: you know, they got lucky with injuries, but also like

1220
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 3: you could tell that that team had had sort of

1221
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 3: been together and they make you know, those little acquisitions.

1222
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 3: But anyway, Matt, I, I really appreciate you coming on

1223
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 3: and for being a fan of the page. Keep killing

1224
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 3: it with all the smoke, and I guess just you know,

1225
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: I'll give it to you. Any last words on the

1226
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: season or really anything that you want say, no.

1227
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: Man, just thanks for having me again. That was That

1228
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: was a fun season, man, A really kind of defining

1229
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: moment in my career from you know, kind of just

1230
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: a defensive antagonist, so I turned into a bad guy

1231
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: when I faked the ball, you know, in COB's face

1232
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: and it became teammates. And the fact that you know

1233
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: this interview has taken place on his birthday. Just a

1234
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of synergy there, but a really

1235
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: fun time. You know, you kind of took me down

1236
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: memorane and you sent me that little article. So it's

1237
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: kind of always good to revisit stuff because I think

1238
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: in the moment, not that we take things for granted,

1239
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: but we're just so busy moving that we don't get

1240
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: a chance to appreciate, you know, whether it be accomplishments

1241
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: or just how fun stuff was. So I appreciate you

1242
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: man for reaching out and allowed me to relive that season. Man,

1243
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: Appreciate that.

1244
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: Appreciate you.

1245
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 3: Everybody, go listen to all the smoke. I'm sure you

1246
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: are already, but they got some fire on the way.

1247
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 3: And appreciate you.

1248
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: Matt. Thanks, yeah, keep doing anything, man.

1249
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: Man, that was dope.

1250
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 3: Kobe Stories, Chris Paul Draymond KD. Matt didn't hold back quickly.

1251
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 3: Just going back to the Magic season a prime example

1252
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 3: of how when windows closed, they can close really fast.

1253
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 3: This Magic team or the Magic did not win a

1254
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 3: playoff series and have not won a playoff series since

1255
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: this season. Dwight ends up leaving a few years later.

1256
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: So just like a reoccurring theme in these Forgotten Seasons

1257
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: interviews is that windows can close in the blink of

1258
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: an eye for different reasons. So when your team or

1259
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: the players that you're rooting for are having success, don't

1260
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 3: take them for granted because they can be gone before

1261
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 3: you know it. But really, glad that we could relive

1262
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 3: this great season with one of the main characters from

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Speaker 3: the team. I'm Dealing Dreyfus, the creator Forgotten Seasons, Thank

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Speaker 3: you guys for listening. Be sure to check out All

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Speaker 3: the Smoke with mattin Stack if you're not already. There's

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Speaker 3: amazing stories from NBA history, and stay tuned there's more

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Speaker 3: Forgotten Seasons on the way.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys,