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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Betting Pros March Madness Podcast. We are

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Speaker 1: here with a fantastic guest today, Tom Casally of NBC

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Speaker 1: Sports Bet. You can follow him on Twitter at the

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Speaker 1: Tom Cassali. He is joining us after that exhilarating weekend

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Speaker 1: of March Madness action, we have four days to get

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Speaker 1: refreshed and replenished and get ready for the Sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 1: So no one better here to join us than Tom. Tom,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us today here a betting pros. How

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Speaker 1: you doing I'm doing good.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you. It was a rocky roller

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Speaker 1: coaster betting weekend for me. It ended on a very

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Speaker 1: high note. Saturday was rough, but a very high note

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. Tell me about your inditial reactions and some

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Speaker 1: bets and how things went for you this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they were okay. I won a couple

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Speaker 2: more than I lost. The You know, I always tell

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Speaker 2: people bet in the tournament is tough. I have my

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Speaker 2: edges in November and December when everybody else is betting football.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you bet college basketball the tournament,

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Speaker 2: everybody is on an even playing field. I mean, I'll

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Speaker 2: give you a perfect example, I have to rank probably

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Speaker 2: in the one percent of people who saw Saint Peter's

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Speaker 2: play this year. I'm a Matt guy. I live near Siena.

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Speaker 2: I thought if they got the right draw, they might

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Speaker 2: be they might cover a spread, right. I thought Kentucky

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Speaker 2: was a bad draw. I didn't bet it. So you're

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Speaker 2: looking at a guy who's seen Saint Peter's play didn't

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Speaker 2: make any money off of them, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So that's how hard the tournament is. I knew there

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Speaker 2: was it was going to be a crazy tournament, but

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Speaker 2: you got to try to find to pick the right

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Speaker 2: upsets and all that stuff. You got to try to

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Speaker 2: find value here and there. So, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: it was. It was nuts. It's probably going to continue

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Speaker 2: to be nuts. There was just no you know this way,

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Speaker 2: There is no dominant team this year, right, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: is it surprising that Kentucky lost early? Yes, But would

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Speaker 2: Probably not. So it's gonna be a lot more interesting

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Speaker 1: I am one of those few people tom that also

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Speaker 1: saw Saint Peters because I'm based out of New Jersey

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Speaker 1: in defo inside, loved everything about them, did not like

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Speaker 1: the match up against Kentucky whatsoever. I actually said, I'm

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Speaker 1: laying the points. I expected Kentucky to get on a

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Speaker 1: roll here. I love them, and then sure enough it

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Speaker 1: didn't cover. But I will say this, I will say

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Speaker 1: that I did pick up against Burry Stek because I

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Speaker 1: thought that line was too high slight.

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Speaker 2: It was. And it's funny because that was the last

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Speaker 2: game announced on the brackets, and I actually sighed before

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Speaker 2: it came out, and I said to my son, Darnett,

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Speaker 2: Saint Peter's got Kentucky because those were the only two

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Speaker 2: I was high on Kentucky. I was high on the SEC.

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Speaker 2: That conference will never fool me again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so, so true. Well, look, we have the

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Speaker 1: Sweet sixteen games coming up here, eight fantastic matchups that

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about. Just get your

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Speaker 1: reaction here. We'll start on Thursday. We'll go in time

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Speaker 1: order a Gonzaga minus eight and a half against Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: That's seven on nine on CBS on Thursday. Tom My

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Speaker 1: first reaction here is I thought this was a little

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Speaker 1: go with or not. At this point, we still got

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Speaker 1: a couple of days to analyze it. But where are

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Speaker 1: you here on Gonzaga versus Arkansas.

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Speaker 2: It is a little high because Gonzaga is always a

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Speaker 2: little overvalue, but I was dying to take Arkansas. I

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Speaker 2: just don't see it. I really don't, you know. I

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Speaker 2: tried to figure out this weekend. Where did I miss

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Speaker 2: they played great defense. I thought they would be matchup problems.

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Speaker 2: You know where I missed? Those teams can't shoot the ball.

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Speaker 2: They all stink from three point range. You know, one

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Speaker 2: of the things I usually like in the tournament, Mike,

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Speaker 2: And so when I looked at Arkansas, they have only

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Speaker 2: and that was Vermont the other day. Now, again, Gonzaga

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and another point, real great points across the board.

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Speaker 1: One Timmy took that game over and would not let

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Speaker 1: And number two, they have to shoot well from three,

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Speaker 1: great points here. I think it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: very very close game. Villanova minus five versus Michigan seven

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Speaker 1: one wrong. I did think Ohio State would be able

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Speaker 1: to keep this game close with Villanova. Tom My initial

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Speaker 1: reaction was Villanova wins, Ohio State covers. That's what I

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Speaker 1: kept coming back to. How do you see it here, Villanova, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Michigan surprised me. Big win over Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was one of the more impressive

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Speaker 2: wins of the tournament. You know again, the SEC struggled

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Speaker 2: So that's something I look at too. Like you know,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't like they were they played the worst,

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Speaker 2: the worst performance in the tournament Loyola, right, I had,

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Speaker 2: I had the Ramblers. There wasn't a worse you know so.

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Speaker 2: But with Michigan, I I thought they played really really

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Speaker 2: they cover with free throws at the end, but I

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Speaker 1: Isn't an amazing tom. I loved Colorado State all year long,

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Speaker 2: You know, those teams like UNC and Michigan are always

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Speaker 2: always scary. It doesn't always work, they don't always show

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Speaker 2: And listen, those teams have showed up for the tournament.

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Speaker 2: I think if they have success in the paint, Michigan

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Speaker 1: Next one here Texas Tech. I was a little surprised

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Speaker 1: that was a shame. I poured one out for myself there. Tom.

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Speaker 1: Michigan State should have absolutely covered that game. Against Duke

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Speaker 1: gets hot, notre Dame. They advance here, Texas Tech minus

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Speaker 2: So Texas Tech matches up well with Duke. They have

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Speaker 2: the paint is phenomenal. Duke's defense is weak. There's no

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Speaker 2: other way to say it. Because Michigan State's offense stinks.

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Speaker 2: So I mean when you give it, when you given

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Speaker 2: Here's my one issue. Texas Tech's aggressive defense fouls a

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Speaker 2: the officials don't mind putting Duke on the foul line.

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid that's going to be the difference in this game.

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Speaker 1: I really am.

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Speaker 2: I think Texas Tech has a lot of edges, but

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Speaker 2: I would watch this game early to see how the

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Speaker 2: officials are calling it. If they're blowing whistles a lot.

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Speaker 2: Texas Tech's in trouble. They're deep. I mean not in

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Speaker 2: terms of foul trouble, just in terms of Duke getting

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Speaker 1: An excellent point, and we had some big free throw discrepancies.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, Tom, Purdue shot more free throws than they

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Speaker 1: to be careful with that last game here on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: Arizona minus two versus Houston. I felt like I had

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Speaker 1: When I saw that line, I said, wow. My initial reaction,

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Speaker 1: Tom is Illinois getting points here? But then I looked

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Speaker 1: at it. Kelvin Samson's numbers against the spread versus non

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Speaker 1: conference teams absolutely lights out eight and one in his

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Speaker 1: last nine games, seven games in a row, sixty percent.

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Speaker 1: They're just tough to prepare for. Here Arizona wiping their

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Speaker 1: brow after escaping TCU. Where do you go here? Arizona

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Speaker 1: minus two? First, the Cougars.

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Speaker 2: I think Calvin Sampson's the best coach in college basketball

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Speaker 2: right now. I mean, he lost two good players for

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Speaker 2: the season and there's still this good So that's impressive.

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Speaker 2: This is gonna be a dogfight. I had TCU last

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Speaker 2: I thought TCU was built similar to Stanford. And if

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Speaker 2: you look at the Stanford scores against Arizona, they got

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Speaker 2: blown out once then they lost by four, and the

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Speaker 2: other game with a twelve point game, but that was

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Speaker 2: and Stanford did well against Arizona's front line was rebound.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we know TCU is the best offensive rebounding

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Speaker 2: you can't rebound against Houston, don't bother getting off the bus,

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Speaker 2: because those guys rebound as well as any college team

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Speaker 2: I've ever seen, from guard to forward to set.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're.

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Speaker 2: All in there getting rebounds. I think that's going to

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Speaker 2: be a challenge for Arizona. I will say that when

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Purdue thirty three of forty six from the free

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Speaker 2: you know, I wouldn't take Edie out of that game.

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Speaker 1: Next one, Kansas minus seven and a half versus Providence. Tom,

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Speaker 2: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Waiting for someone to get up on Trey Alexander, who

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Speaker 1: UCLA minus two against the tar Heels of North Carolina

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Speaker 1: nine thirty nine on CBS. Shame on me, Tom for

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Speaker 1: Yep. They have a lot of great games if you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kicking myself for not taking Miami against Auburn.

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Speaker 2: a half point favorite? Seriously, with the way they're playing,

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Speaker 2: I like this Miami team. I thought there could be

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Speaker 2: team nobody was thinking about I wasn't sure who it

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Speaker 2: think it might be Miami. I like them in this

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Speaker 2: matchup because they don't turn the ball over. Iowa State

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Speaker 2: can struggle offensively. They love getting turnovers and turning them

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Speaker 2: into points. Miami just doesn't let you do that. As

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Speaker 2: Auburn found out, Auburn very similar situation, struggling to score points.

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Speaker 2: They get a lot off of turnovers and Miami doesn't

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Speaker 2: turn it over. I like Miami a lot in this game.

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Speaker 2: I think they're a threat to make the Final four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And what I love is sometimes Tom, when we

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Speaker 1: who watch them all, you get a feeling when you

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Speaker 1: watch the game and something's going on. The best one

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Speaker 1: I remember was Middle Tennessee State versus Michigan State, and

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Speaker 1: I'm texting my friends get to a TV. Giddy Potts

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Speaker 1: had it going on early in this game. I forget

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Speaker 1: who it was. It may have been Jordan Miller, I

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Speaker 1: They were on a three on one fast break and

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Speaker 1: they pulled up Miami against all Bird for three with

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Speaker 1: no one under the basket and it comes to dead

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Speaker 1: center and I looked at my wife. I said, it's over.

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Speaker 1: Because when those things start to happen, you can tell

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Speaker 1: that they're feeling in here. Three on one break and

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Speaker 1: he's pulling from three and Larne is just pumping his fist.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was tremendous.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing about Miami, you have to remember

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Speaker 2: they just played two of the tallest teams in the country.

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Speaker 2: If Miami has a bit of a weakness, it's you

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Speaker 2: know who they're gonna play bigger than USC and Auburn.

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Speaker 2: I mean, those those two teams have huge frontlines, and hey, listen,

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Speaker 2: you gotta give it to the coaching. They packed it

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Speaker 2: in and they said, hey, why don't why don't you

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Speaker 2: guards beat us? And they couldn't. So I like the

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Speaker 2: this is actually going to be a great story with

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Speaker 2: Iowa State. I think Miami wins this game pretty easily.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Isaiah Wong putting posters on Jabari Smith. He was

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Speaker 1: only out done by Bennick Mattherin later in the game.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Miller with the rebounds, Cam Augusty Charlie Moore has

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Speaker 1: been with like four programs. It's a great it's a great,

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Speaker 1: great story for the Hurricanes here. Absolutely, Tom, Let's just

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Speaker 1: talk futures here then will wrap it up. What futures

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Speaker 1: do you like? Where are you going now? With the brackets?

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Speaker 1: You look at things, you have some tickets yourself here,

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Speaker 1: we got a Providence one on this side. Where are

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Speaker 1: you going here? With your futures here? You recommend for

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Speaker 1: people who maybe want to jump in right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, I still have Kansas going, but

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Speaker 2: I didn't love that one to begin with. I bet

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Speaker 2: that in October. Yeah, like I said, I think Miami,

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Speaker 2: if you're looking for a team to make the Final

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Speaker 2: four or make a run here, listen Guard play they

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Speaker 2: have it. Providence is another good one. I mean that

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Speaker 2: those two teams could meet each other. You know, that's

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Speaker 2: another good one, Providence, Miami. I don't know if there's

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Speaker 2: any value against Gonzaga right now. I would like to

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Speaker 2: say yes, I think Gonzaga can be beaten. I thought

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Speaker 2: Memphis had the style to beat them. Foul trouble. Well,

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Speaker 2: we won't get into that, you know, kind of. And

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Speaker 2: I think as much as I didn't like them coming

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Speaker 2: into the tournament. I think it's pretty open for Purdue now.

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Speaker 2: The things have opened up for them, and I think

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Speaker 2: they have a pretty good path to the final four.

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Speaker 2: But I like Miami. If you're gonna invest in the future,

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Speaker 2: I see a nice path for them get into the

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Speaker 2: final four.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you about Purdue. I feel like the

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Speaker 1: luck has gone their way with that bracket opening up,

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Speaker 1: and I love what Miami as well. I'll end with this.

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Speaker 1: Here's my question. If Arkansas, who I think is out,

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Speaker 1: there's still sixty to one to win the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: If Arkansas can get by Gonzaga, would that change your

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Speaker 1: mind a little bit? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I like the Hogs. I do. That's a team

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Speaker 2: I like. Again, I just I wonder how they're gonna

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Speaker 2: match up in that game.

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, listen, if you like Arkansas, obviously you want

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Speaker 2: to bet them now. Because they win, they beat Gonzaga,

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna see anymore sixty to one. So I

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Speaker 2: don't think that's a bad price to take a shot on. Listen,

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Speaker 2: They're gonna they got athletes, and Gonzaga where they struggle

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Speaker 2: is with athletic guards. Again, I just don't know if

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Speaker 2: they have enough down low if Gonzada's twin powers are

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Speaker 2: both on in that game.

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Speaker 1: Excellent point, folks. Tom Cassally from NBC Sports Bet amazing job,

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Speaker 1: one of the best in the business, rolls out the

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Speaker 1: content constantly there for NBC does a fantastic job. Follow

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Speaker 1: him on Twitter at the Tom Casali. Tom, it is

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Speaker 1: great talking to you. We need a couple of days

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Speaker 1: to relax, take it easy, and then we'll start up

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Speaker 1: again on Thursday. Thanks so much for joining us here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me