Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings.
Speaker 3: We are a.
Speaker 4: Sibling Railvalry No, no, sibling, val don't do that with
Speaker 4: your mouth, Vely.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: It's Oliver Hudson here, solo mission, me and me and me,
Speaker 1: not me myself, and i'd me me me.
Speaker 2: I need to do more me me me because I
Speaker 2: I don't take enough care of myself. I need to
Speaker 2: go me me, me, me me. You know what.
Speaker 1: I can do this whole fucking intro right now and
Speaker 1: do a whole thing. But we have a guest waiting
Speaker 1: in the waiting room and I need to get to
Speaker 1: her because I'm excited to have conversations and talk about
Speaker 1: life and bigger things and unscripted shows with husbands and
Speaker 1: books and let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Please bring on missus Baldwin, Larry Baldmin.
Speaker 1: Hello, how are you. I'm good, I'm sorry, I'm late,
Speaker 1: that's okay. I did a whole panel for my gut
Speaker 1: health for you know, they did blood, they did this,
Speaker 1: they did that. Unfortunately it was stool. I mean it
Speaker 1: was everything. So I had a consultation after the fact
Speaker 1: to go over every piece of my body, scared, hoping
Speaker 1: that there wasn't some shit that is going to you.
Speaker 2: Know, I'm going to not have much longer to live.
Speaker 2: But so I was going through the whole process and
Speaker 2: it was very interesting.
Speaker 3: It can be interesting. That kind of thing always scares me.
Speaker 5: Did you see you seeing me like full body scan
Speaker 5: doing in Europe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's the pre nuvo stuff too.
Speaker 5: I mean I don't know all the names, but I
Speaker 5: was looking at this and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 5: this would probably terrify me. But they stay within like
Speaker 5: an hour or something like that. You know so much
Speaker 5: about your.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I did it.
Speaker 1: I did a full body scan I think last year,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah. Then you sit down with the technician
Speaker 1: and the lead up is scary as shit.
Speaker 2: You're just thinking, okay, you know any.
Speaker 3: Any sort of health scarceuse. We all have like little
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Feel like we all have our things, and especially once
Speaker 5: you at least for women, once we have kids, there's
Speaker 5: not only things for us, but then there's things for
Speaker 5: the kids too, and it's all scary. The best doctors
Speaker 5: are people calling you this, nurses, whoever's calling to get
Speaker 5: the result.
Speaker 3: They will just like pick up the phone. They're like,
Speaker 3: everything's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good, thank you.
Speaker 3: No, I know, I know, don't ask me how I'm doing. Nothing,
Speaker 3: just everything is fine.
Speaker 2: You're yes, exactly, get into it. I love that.
Speaker 1: I know, I totally agree. I mean, because you're just
Speaker 1: waiting for some sort of a shoe to drop and
Speaker 1: then the doctor's not calling you after you've done your
Speaker 1: blood work and whatever, and oh my god, something's wrong.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean I have anxiety around health
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 5: Very It's like, you know, we we so much focus
Speaker 5: on all these material things and stresses and what people
Speaker 5: think and stuff like that, and ultimately our health is
Speaker 5: number one. But you know, I even say with you know,
Speaker 5: the way that we've learned to communicate in with my
Speaker 5: friends and my husband and and my family is I'm like,
Speaker 5: start at the end and then let's.
Speaker 3: Get to the story.
Speaker 5: So, you know, my my son recently broke his collar
Speaker 5: book and I wasn't there.
Speaker 3: So if we start with.
Speaker 5: Okay, Romeo is having X Y Z, and then we
Speaker 5: can go back, just you know, once you start it
Speaker 5: from the beginning, and you're like you're guessing and guessing.
Speaker 3: And guessing, like what's happened? And now go back and learn.
Speaker 5: And I've that's actually helped me tremendously with anxiety because
Speaker 5: you just get there.
Speaker 3: There's no lead up there.
Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like when you get a call from the school.
Speaker 1: But just happened fucking too many times with my insane children,
Speaker 1: although they're great kids that get straight a's and they're amazing.
Speaker 1: So you get that call from the from the school
Speaker 1: and immediately you see the school on the on the
Speaker 1: ID and you.
Speaker 2: Pick it up and the first thing they say is
Speaker 2: why is my one of my sons Wilder? He goes
Speaker 2: Wilder is fine.
Speaker 5: Okay, good, get to the end and then like what
Speaker 5: we have to deal with? No, that's good for me.
Speaker 5: It was when the nurse calls. So I have six
Speaker 5: in the same school, and so the nurse calls and
Speaker 5: she's like.
Speaker 3: I'm like, which one is it here? And I'm like, great, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I I get I know.
Speaker 1: And as when I had kids, I have three kids.
Speaker 1: I have to say that this fear of death honestly
Speaker 1: is gotten worse and it and it's not even a
Speaker 1: selfish thing. It's more about my children, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I go to this place of I
Speaker 1: need to be here for them to continue on, you know,
Speaker 1: imparting whatever wisdom or insanity.
Speaker 2: That I'm going to give them.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think that that is an issue
Speaker 1: and I wish. I don't think you can truly truly
Speaker 1: live until you have sort of gotten over this fear
Speaker 1: of death. You know, there's liberation there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's I think I bring my kids to
Speaker 5: cemeteries a lot. It was, and I feel like and
Speaker 5: first of all, I do, I feel very much like
Speaker 5: you do. It's see, you know, it's it's once you
Speaker 5: become a parent. I think that how fragile life can is,
Speaker 5: can be very you know, it becomes very Uh it
Speaker 5: comes into my fears all the time. But I I
Speaker 5: really feel like, you know, we spend time in cemeteries
Speaker 5: and you know, everything from like the history of it,
Speaker 5: and just also acknowledging like.
Speaker 3: This is part of life.
Speaker 5: You know, this is part of life, and there's a
Speaker 5: tremendous amount of peace there as well, and not being afraid,
Speaker 5: you know, if not of death, but of people who
Speaker 5: have died, you know, and because I don't want anyone
Speaker 5: to be afraid of me when I die, so I
Speaker 5: try to have that kind of connection with them.
Speaker 3: But no, I mean, this is the this is the
Speaker 3: human the human thing.
Speaker 2: Do you have fears and anxieties? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, is this part of your of your life?
Speaker 1: Is managing yourself to be the best for your kids
Speaker 1: and your husband?
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I mean I so I turned forty
Speaker 5: one this year, and I feel like, for what I
Speaker 5: hear from other women, I feel like forty is a
Speaker 5: big growing up phase in life. You know, I've had
Speaker 5: my kids, I doubt I'll have any more, and I
Speaker 5: have also not only do I have a lot of kids,
Speaker 5: but I've been thrust into many experiences in life that.
Speaker 3: I had zero preparation for.
Speaker 5: I don't know if anyone would and and so yeah, no,
Speaker 5: I mean it's definitely the fears of am I able
Speaker 5: to do this? Am I good enough for this? You
Speaker 5: know the title of my book, where's a manual for this?
Speaker 5: Manuals not included? Like kids said anyone? And you know,
Speaker 5: who can I call to get advice for this? And
Speaker 5: you know there isn't anyone. But that's where I think,
Speaker 5: you know, my my yoga practice, breathing, running, gratitude. I've
Speaker 5: I've always been just a very grateful person anytime things
Speaker 5: are going bad, and you know, somebody came up with
Speaker 5: you know it came and.
Speaker 3: Told me about toxic Oh don't be so toxic positive.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, if I'm not positive somewhere or find
Speaker 5: beauty somewhere, it's just going to get so.
Speaker 3: Dark, you know.
Speaker 5: So I try to cling onto some sort of beauty
Speaker 5: and positivity wherever I can find it. So yeah, no,
Speaker 5: I mean, it's definitely, it's definitely there. But then I
Speaker 5: also think about the perspective and the experience that I
Speaker 5: want my kids to remember when they're in their twenties
Speaker 5: and thirties and beon.
Speaker 3: And think how was my mom? How was my childhood?
Speaker 5: All feign happiness sometimes just because I want them to
Speaker 5: feel that joy, and they're very smarting sometimes were like.
Speaker 2: Mm oh yeah, but at least oh no, they know,
Speaker 2: they know, they know they're there.
Speaker 1: Their intuition is so strong and spot on, and they
Speaker 1: feel so much, and they pay attention way more than
Speaker 1: we think that they're paying attention. My kids will sometimes
Speaker 1: my daughter, what's wrong, Dad. I'm like, how did you know?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, they can feel that that.
Speaker 1: Energy, and I guess sometimes yeah, you got to put
Speaker 1: on the good face and then sometimes you just got
Speaker 1: to say yeah, you know, yeah I'm not good right now,
Speaker 1: and that's okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm a big believer in a healthy dose of.
Speaker 5: That, because I think by not telling them you question
Speaker 5: their sense of feeling and their own intuition. But we
Speaker 5: talk a lot in our family as well about that
Speaker 5: your feelings can lie to you, which I didn't grow up.
Speaker 5: Everything is like, oh, we trust your feelings, trust you're good.
Speaker 5: Sometimes your feelings are anxiety and they're not true. Yes,
Speaker 5: sometimes your feelings are I feel like a horrible piece
Speaker 5: of it today and this is just just so awful
Speaker 5: and I'm the stupidest.
Speaker 3: And that's not a true feeling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you can validate that where that is
Speaker 5: coming from, and that that is, you know, an anxiet,
Speaker 5: But that's an anxiety.
Speaker 3: That's not a true feeling.
Speaker 5: And so I talk about that with my kids as well,
Speaker 5: because ultimately what we want them to become is good
Speaker 5: problem solvers. If they can solve you know, what, what
Speaker 5: do I want to do with my life, what makes
Speaker 5: me happy?
Speaker 3: Who are good people to surround myself with?
Speaker 5: You know? How How can I treat other people and
Speaker 5: be a good citizen of this world? Then we're doing
Speaker 5: a really good job.
Speaker 2: I think as parents, that's what we try, that's what
Speaker 2: that's what we strive for, you know. And we all
Speaker 2: do it differently, which is so interesting as well. All
Speaker 2: parents do it differently.
Speaker 1: There is no Well it's interesting you know about your book,
Speaker 1: you know, using the word manual, right, because there is
Speaker 1: no manual, I mean. And I raise my kids so
Speaker 1: differently than my sister does. And they're all great kids,
Speaker 1: you know, but I have different theories and I have
Speaker 1: different instincts than you might, and that Kate might, or
Speaker 1: than anyone might, right, yeah, you know, And it's just
Speaker 1: something And it's not about if we're fucking them up.
Speaker 2: I think it's just to what degree, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, we are screwing them up one way or another.
Speaker 2: It's just part of the life, you know, Right.
Speaker 5: Well you might find as well that you know, with
Speaker 5: your children, they're all so different, so you're going to
Speaker 5: have to parent each one of them. Yes, you know,
Speaker 5: I have a big brother and I look up to him,
Speaker 5: and I think that he's since this is a sibling show,
Speaker 5: since I think like.
Speaker 3: The world of him.
Speaker 5: And he has a my nephew who's twenty, and he
Speaker 5: is just like such a good dad, and I got
Speaker 5: so inspired by how he parents because it's, you know,
Speaker 5: really about being together and connection. And you know, my
Speaker 5: nephew is really close to him, like sleep in bed
Speaker 5: in the bed with him, so you know, everybody's judging,
Speaker 5: and my brother's like, it's not going to sleep in
Speaker 5: bed with me when he's in college, you know. And
Speaker 5: it's like he understood that these so he taught me
Speaker 5: a lot about phases and you know, just kind of
Speaker 5: really being present for the individual child that you have.
Speaker 5: And so I'm different with in some ways. With all
Speaker 5: of my kids, I've had to hone in.
Speaker 2: And you know, just like hell yeah, all without a doubt.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would do it.
Speaker 1: My wife and I talk about it all the time,
Speaker 1: how differently we would have done it with our first kid,
Speaker 1: knowing what.
Speaker 2: We know now.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's night and day from one, number one
Speaker 1: to number three, and you got number one to number seven.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure there was a lot of evolution from
Speaker 1: one to seven.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, no, and that but that's the thing,
Speaker 5: is like teaching our kids that we are evolving and
Speaker 5: we are, you know, imperfect. I was reading a something
Speaker 5: about how people who have good relationships with their parents
Speaker 5: as adults and what their parents did well as children
Speaker 5: when they were children, and it was about saying that
Speaker 5: you're sorry and admitting that when they were wrong and fallible.
Speaker 5: And I think that that's one of the big you
Speaker 5: know keys. I try to include my kids in an
Speaker 5: empowering way in their growth. So you know, yes, they
Speaker 5: have to do their home, Yes they have to eat
Speaker 5: their vegetabs, Yes they.
Speaker 3: Have to go to bed.
Speaker 5: All of these there are rules, trust me, there are rules.
Speaker 5: But the more that I can encourage them to feel
Speaker 5: a purpose in their own growth and the why why
Speaker 5: and taking the time even when I'm hearing seven whys
Speaker 5: at the same time about seven different completely different subjects
Speaker 5: and they're yelling at me at the same time. So
Speaker 5: you can imagine a spinner. Not only I have seven,
Speaker 5: I have seven very close together. Yeah, but that's something
Speaker 5: that you know, hopefully, well, hopefully it will turn out well.
Speaker 3: For our relationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you have you have one sibling A
Speaker 1: one sibling. Yeah, and so take us back, take us back.
Speaker 2: Where were you? Where were you born? Where did you
Speaker 2: grow up?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: I'm born in Boston.
Speaker 5: My whole family lives in Spain, which was a big
Speaker 5: part of my childhood as well. Is where my whole
Speaker 5: family lives and we Yeah, my brother lives there. Oh,
Speaker 5: he's lived there most of his life, and I've lived
Speaker 5: here mostly.
Speaker 2: Did you live in Boston?
Speaker 3: I live in Boston, Boston yea yeah, yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 2: That's my my in law. So my wife grew up.
Speaker 1: They grew up in Boston, my in laws, like we
Speaker 1: were in Brockton, and then my wife was in Long Meadow,
Speaker 1: which is just uh, I know it. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: now we go to the cake.
Speaker 2: We go to Falma every summer for three weeks.
Speaker 3: But where are you? Where are you located now?
Speaker 2: I'm in La born and raised La.
Speaker 3: Born and raised in La. And are you how is
Speaker 3: everything there?
Speaker 2: It was crazy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fires were definitely affected us. One of my
Speaker 1: brother's houses went down, so now it sucks. Then my parents, Kate, myself,
Speaker 1: our houses were not directly affected, but some smoke damage
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: You guys all live very near each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all sort of eight ten minutes away everybody.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: That's so nice.
Speaker 5: I tell that to my my kids, and they're having
Speaker 5: conversation this morning because my my son, my oldest son,
Speaker 5: went away to like this. I don't know if your
Speaker 5: kids did, like a two day you go away with
Speaker 5: your your class, like I.
Speaker 3: Can't play bumps and stuff like that. And I was
Speaker 3: a wreck. And it's so weird because I have seven kids,
Speaker 3: and you would think that like six kids are.
Speaker 5: Still like noisy, and it's like so quiet, even the
Speaker 5: one and he's even like one and more quiet of
Speaker 5: the bunch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just such a.
Speaker 5: Weird changing the dynamic. And he came back yesterday and
Speaker 5: I said to him, I said, you know that's it.
Speaker 5: All of you guys are going to live inn account
Speaker 5: compounds because we're all going to live with me forever.
Speaker 2: I love that, No, I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, and only do you truly understand the love
Speaker 1: that your parents have for you once you have your
Speaker 1: own children. You know, when we grow up and you
Speaker 1: know your parents are loving on you, and they're concerned
Speaker 1: about you, and and they just want you to sort
Speaker 1: of be good human beings and and be well off
Speaker 1: and be positive and oh mom, I got it, I
Speaker 1: got it. And then when you have children and then
Speaker 1: you are in their shoes. The appreciation now that I
Speaker 1: have for my parents, you know, the love that has
Speaker 1: deepened for them once I've had my kids, is astronomical
Speaker 1: because I understand it now. I understand that you love
Speaker 1: so hard.
Speaker 2: That you don't even know what to do with it, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Also just you know, I mean I talk about, you know,
Speaker 5: being fallible and just not understanding what to do. And
Speaker 5: I always try to think about, you know, my parents,
Speaker 5: my friend's parents, when we're at my friends and I,
Speaker 5: you know, everybody off conversations and everything, and I think,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: If I don't, none of us know what we're doing.
Speaker 3: Most of the time, we're trying, we're trying our best.
Speaker 5: And so I think becoming a parent is also a
Speaker 5: really good dose of, you know, looking back and thinking, wow,
Speaker 5: my parents were in their twenties and thirties and forties
Speaker 5: and I and beyond hopefully you know, and and you
Speaker 5: know the same thing like when I look at some
Speaker 5: of these very difficult experiences I've had, I hope my
Speaker 5: kids just.
Speaker 3: Know that I was trying my best, and I hope.
Speaker 5: That they know that there was no manual and in
Speaker 5: the end, I just wanted everybody to be okay, and
Speaker 5: and you know, it's a little bit of you know,
Speaker 5: trial and error. I have a story in the book
Speaker 5: we had, I think on our show. Yeah, I was
Speaker 5: on our show as well about how you know I
Speaker 5: have we have paparazzi downstairs sometimes and I'm always trying
Speaker 5: to take care of Alec and try to get them
Speaker 5: out of the house without these you know, because they're
Speaker 5: the name of the games.
Speaker 3: They don't care what they say. They're just trying to
Speaker 3: get a reaction at it.
Speaker 5: And I had one morning where I was like all
Speaker 5: out of like all my tricks and I don't know
Speaker 5: how these things come to mind, but I just come
Speaker 5: up with like the craziest stuff to do sometimes and
Speaker 5: I'm like crazy enough to try it. So I was like,
Speaker 5: you know what, I don't know what's doing. It's so
Speaker 5: cold outside. I go upstairs and sad, I'm gonna put
Speaker 5: something crazy on and then I'm gonna try to lead
Speaker 5: lure them away from the house and then get an
Speaker 5: uber to come at the same time so they don't
Speaker 5: recognize our car and Alec can go in and they
Speaker 5: will be here. And so I put on fishnets and
Speaker 5: this tinle skirt and it's like like I look ridiculous,
Speaker 5: but she gets it's like eleven side and freezing, and
Speaker 5: I'm walking in very slowly and pretends me on the
Speaker 5: phone and I'm walking, walking, walking to the corner and
Speaker 5: you and sure enough they start following me, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: this is like thirty percent chance of working.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they follow me.
Speaker 5: And they're taking pictures and I kind of turn around
Speaker 5: and I'm gazing at the door and see.
Speaker 3: Alec like dirt into a car and drive away, and
Speaker 3: I just like turned around and it was like.
Speaker 5: I mean, in some ways like get leaning into trying
Speaker 5: to find silly ways like pressful situations.
Speaker 3: But he and then of course they love to like
Speaker 3: call me a slug and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: It's like, look, she just wanted to I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: now I can tell you what I was doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys, you made a game. You made a
Speaker 2: game out it made a game out of it.
Speaker 5: And so there's times, by the way, I try these
Speaker 5: things and sometimes it doesn't go well either, so you know,
Speaker 5: or I don't win, but that was one where I went.
Speaker 5: But again, that's like an example of like, I hope
Speaker 5: people look back and be like, you know what, she's crazy,
Speaker 5: but she's trying her very best.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, because it was a
Speaker 1: different time obviously then, but I grew up with famous parents,
Speaker 1: so I had to deal with paparazzi and you know,
Speaker 1: people in general, fans in general coming up to my
Speaker 1: mom and Kurt and whatever that meant to me and
Speaker 1: felt to me as a young kid might have been irrational,
Speaker 1: but there were my feelings where I just didn't want
Speaker 1: people invading our space and it gave me sort of
Speaker 1: just angry feelings a lot of the time. And it's
Speaker 1: a thing that you have to navigate as parents, especially
Speaker 1: now in the spotlight, right, So how do you guys
Speaker 1: deal with that, talk to your kids about it, you know,
Speaker 1: or is it just kind of hey, guys, this is
Speaker 1: what it is inside our four walls, it's all. It
Speaker 1: is what it is, and when we go outside, you know, sorry,
Speaker 1: not sorry, but this is our fucking life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think it's after I answer, I'd
Speaker 5: love to get your opinions. You lived it as a child,
Speaker 5: and I not grow up as a famous person, So
Speaker 5: I have no idea what I'm doing with famous parents.
Speaker 3: But my I think it depends on what's going on.
Speaker 5: And I think because these past few years have been
Speaker 5: so difficult, we've a lot of the attention that is
Speaker 5: coming at us. It was very, very aggressive because it
Speaker 5: entered into a new realm where there was a feeling
Speaker 5: of entitlement to go another step of the right relation,
Speaker 5: you know, to really like is it all of it
Speaker 5: is a violation? Taking a picture without somebody's consent is
Speaker 5: a violation, right, But then it gets to be like
Speaker 5: we're like shoving you violations, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And and so with the kids, you know, if they're
Speaker 5: far away, we kind of like talk about it and
Speaker 5: bothers them because they see it bothers us, and that's
Speaker 5: our fault, right we should One of the things where
Speaker 5: I've made a mistake is I should just take a
Speaker 5: deep breath and that like burning sort of like why
Speaker 5: are you doing this to me? Saying I need to
Speaker 5: learn how to calm down. So that's what I'm working
Speaker 5: on in like.
Speaker 1: My therapy, in you, in your therapy and your meditation,
Speaker 1: and your journaling and breath in your wellness journey exactly.
Speaker 5: And it's another step when they're like streaming stuff at
Speaker 5: us that the kids are there, like you know that
Speaker 5: that kind of thing, and there's no level of humanity.
Speaker 3: I'll say them like, you know my kids, don't they hear, no,
Speaker 3: we don't care. They say, I don't care about your kids.
Speaker 5: They will actually say it, and then they cut that
Speaker 5: part out when they when they sell. So I think
Speaker 5: some of it is explaining the business, but I think
Speaker 5: it goes back to what you were saying before.
Speaker 3: Kids are smart. Kids are smart. They see things, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, how many kids of famous parents or famous
Speaker 5: kids you see them like giving the middle.
Speaker 3: Finger to like a paparazzi or something.
Speaker 5: I have. My kids definitely happen, I'm like, but out
Speaker 5: of them, they feel my boys. I have four boys,
Speaker 5: and it is so funny how they feel. You know,
Speaker 5: they're nine, eight, six, and four and they feel very
Speaker 5: protective over their parents in certain ways like that.
Speaker 3: They're just like especially like me, They're like, this is
Speaker 3: my mom.
Speaker 1: They're like kind of like yeah, yeah, So I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know what the right answer is.
Speaker 5: I mean it's it's somebody's Scially, when you're doing an
Speaker 5: imperfect system.
Speaker 3: Like you know, you're not going to make it better.
Speaker 5: If it's just bad already and there's you know, people
Speaker 5: behaving badly, you can't really fix it.
Speaker 1: Do you see it affecting either of your kids differently?
Speaker 1: You know where some are better with it than others.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think when they're little, it's obviously it's.
Speaker 3: Better because they don't get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean they go through phases. But I think that the more.
Speaker 5: We stay together and understand it and talk about the
Speaker 5: business of the clicks and selling the advertising and the
Speaker 5: clickbait and really what that is and they can understand
Speaker 5: helped me.
Speaker 3: I don't got to understand it.
Speaker 5: You know, when people told me I was good clickbait,
Speaker 5: I was like, what is that?
Speaker 3: Even those first time I even heard this thing.
Speaker 5: Like No, So you're somebody that you know, in a
Speaker 5: community of a lot of people that when they put
Speaker 5: something about you, they know that they're going to click
Speaker 5: on it, and when they click on it, that generates
Speaker 5: ads and it's just like ends up being this whole
Speaker 5: whole thing, and it just helps you to understand it.
Speaker 5: I think the system a little bit more. But I
Speaker 5: think it's just something that hopefully they will be able
Speaker 5: to separate from and say, that's the choices that these
Speaker 5: people are making over here, and I'm going to go
Speaker 5: onto my life. I think doing the reality show was
Speaker 5: very helpful to us. Yeah, I gave us it was
Speaker 5: very cathartic, and I think it gave us the ability
Speaker 5: to speak when we were told not to mm hmm.
Speaker 5: And I think speaking and continuing on even if you
Speaker 5: know when we're filming, it was in private. It was
Speaker 5: in a private place with with these people who we trusted,
Speaker 5: who we do trust of obviously they're wonderful people they
Speaker 5: we I think that was that was very very life
Speaker 5: saving for us.
Speaker 2: Oh cool.
Speaker 1: This is interesting to talk about, honestly because you you
Speaker 1: I think from a just uh from a standpoint of
Speaker 1: watching someone expose their lives on television, you know, the
Speaker 1: perception is is that one is doing that for some
Speaker 1: sort of notoriety. But there's a there's another you know,
Speaker 1: there's another level to it. There's depth to it, you know,
Speaker 1: especially for someone like you, family like you guys who
Speaker 1: have been so exposed without consent.
Speaker 2: Yes, and so now it's it's your time.
Speaker 5: It's interesting that you bring up that word because and
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't have any I can't speak to
Speaker 5: other reality shows. I don't watch a lot of reality shows.
Speaker 5: I'm tired, I go to bed. I don't like actually
Speaker 5: do much.
Speaker 3: I'm very boring. Sometimes it was like turn off.
Speaker 5: But I so our show runners, Sarah Ready, when we
Speaker 5: met in person for the first time, we sat on
Speaker 5: the rug in my in my living room.
Speaker 3: She said, the most important word of the.
Speaker 5: Season is consent. And I didn't really, you know, understand
Speaker 5: anything about reality job. And I was like, I don't
Speaker 5: think that was the word that I would have gone
Speaker 5: to at that word that is the most important word,
Speaker 5: And she said yes, especially with the children, we always
Speaker 5: ask consent before we film, so much so to the
Speaker 5: point where Raphai or eldest, he'll notice he's not in
Speaker 5: it that much because we didn't have it like he
Speaker 5: was like no, I mean I don't want you, or
Speaker 5: he would leave, and it was just very much even
Speaker 5: if they didn't want to actually say it, he would,
Speaker 5: you know, just kind of have his own space. And
Speaker 5: there's a tremendous sense of feeling people's energy on the
Speaker 5: set and he will watch it now and he's like,
Speaker 5: why am I not in this?
Speaker 3: I'm like, because we had consent.
Speaker 2: And he was like, he's like, why am I not
Speaker 2: at this point?
Speaker 3: And I was like, because that wasn't the place that
Speaker 3: you were in right now, right at that point. But no,
Speaker 3: it was very much.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: One of the reasons that she told me that is
Speaker 5: she said, when you want to get true, you don't
Speaker 5: want to.
Speaker 3: Put somebody in fight or flight.
Speaker 5: You want to put them in a place calm and
Speaker 5: then they can be authentic and share with you. And
Speaker 5: so I think that that's why the show feels so authentic.
Speaker 5: I think this is why this book is so authentic,
Speaker 5: is because it's consent.
Speaker 3: It's I'm sharing with you, and I'm a very open person,
Speaker 3: you know. I lunch. I love that. That's why I
Speaker 3: love to teach yoga. You know.
Speaker 5: I get to meet a whole other person and we
Speaker 5: get to share something together and maybe maybe your life
Speaker 5: is going to get this much better. My life is
Speaker 5: going to get this much better, even just our energy
Speaker 5: is connecting. I love that, and so that's what I
Speaker 5: want to continue on. You know, even though I don't
Speaker 5: teach as much yoga anymore. I want to bring that
Speaker 5: into all areas of my life. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I mean, did you know what you were signing up for?
Speaker 1: You know, you fell in love and you just met
Speaker 1: a man, and you know who's handsome and fun and
Speaker 1: funny as shit by the way, and talented is all
Speaker 1: get up.
Speaker 2: And then you're like, whoa shit, this is not what
Speaker 2: I signed up for.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I don't think when I mean, I
Speaker 5: don't know how people at home who are listening to
Speaker 5: this field, but like I never thought with anyone I
Speaker 5: was dating, like I'm signing up for XYZ right, like,
Speaker 5: regardless of what their profession is.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm not like, oh, doing this is signing up
Speaker 3: to be whatever.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that politics has like a separate
Speaker 5: thing over there, but every other profession I don't understand,
Speaker 5: like thinking.
Speaker 3: You know, when you're starting to date somebody that you're signing.
Speaker 5: Up for something, but so no, And I also, you
Speaker 5: know the reality show we just said okay, And I
Speaker 5: do a lot of things without thinking them through sometimes,
Speaker 5: which I think is you know, it's a little impulsive,
Speaker 5: but it's also very spontaneous. Then you know, I'm here
Speaker 5: to try things and stuff like that. So you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, I was just trying it out. This wasn't
Speaker 5: like somebody came with a contract and was like, this
Speaker 5: is what it's going to be.
Speaker 3: Also, you know, I.
Speaker 5: Grew up not watching TV, and I.
Speaker 3: I still don't really watch TV to.
Speaker 5: This day, and I think that therefore I wasn't really
Speaker 5: aware as much of that world. Of course I knew
Speaker 5: he was famous. Of course I didn't understand. I don't
Speaker 5: think anyone cooked, but especially I think because I was
Speaker 5: so far removed and I was just teaching yoga all
Speaker 5: the time. Yeah, oh but I didn't. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 5: really understand what people say, Oh, you sign up for it,
Speaker 5: what comes with that? You know, you're asking for it?
Speaker 5: All of these like really wonderful things to hear, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, no, I know, I didn't.
Speaker 1: How do you deal with that, like like the scrutiny,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and the press and all
Speaker 1: the shit that goes down. You know, you get calloused
Speaker 1: to it, you know, you start to understand a little
Speaker 1: bit better and it doesn't really affect you, or I'm
Speaker 1: not speaking for you.
Speaker 2: I'm saying maybe generally, But.
Speaker 1: The first couple of times where you're like, I didn't
Speaker 1: do anything, Like why are you? Why is everyone so angry?
Speaker 1: I mean, how were you.
Speaker 2: Able to sort of deal with that?
Speaker 1: Did you have a natural capacity to sort of say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, what's screw it?
Speaker 3: No? I wish, I wish. I feel like sometimes I'm
Speaker 3: developing that a little bit more.
Speaker 2: I think people did it hurt It was hurtful.
Speaker 3: It is hurtful.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm somebody I'm like, hey, let's all, let's
Speaker 5: all be together. Was like, be like happy and together,
Speaker 5: Like why are we doing this? I would never do
Speaker 5: this to anyone.
Speaker 3: Why are you going to do it to me?
Speaker 5: But I mean, I'm a pretty defiant person, and I
Speaker 5: you know, I have I've been talking about recently. I
Speaker 5: have ADHD, and I will like hyper focus on certain things,
Speaker 5: and I'll like and I'm also extremely literal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry interrupt. But we just had a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: a doctor who is.
Speaker 3: Like a prominent now I saw we left him.
Speaker 2: Oh he's so great.
Speaker 1: And because because I didn't know, I've never been diagnosed
Speaker 1: or anything, but it just feels like my brain is
Speaker 1: a little weird and I'm a creative and and he
Speaker 1: was explaining how a lot of creatives are just naturally
Speaker 1: they have add ADHD.
Speaker 2: But the way he reframed it as a.
Speaker 1: Superpower and not something that's stabilitating, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I love because growing up it was not
Speaker 3: a superpower.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there was not anywhere near or one
Speaker 5: of our kids is I diagnosed with ADHD. And and
Speaker 5: it was only then and that I started realizing that this.
Speaker 3: Is a whole new world of I think, you know, information, understanding, celebration.
Speaker 5: I mean I don't want to, you know, it's there
Speaker 5: are things that I know that me and many other
Speaker 5: people I know who we're wired very similarly. It helps us,
Speaker 5: you know, And it is being creative, it is being spontaneous.
Speaker 3: It's really thinking about things in a completely different way.
Speaker 5: There's a resilience because I think people sometimes who have
Speaker 5: who struggle, you know, some of the best teachers that
Speaker 5: you can have troubled so much in their life. People
Speaker 5: things just come like this to them. I mean they're like,
Speaker 5: why don't you get it too? But people who had
Speaker 5: to like really figure it out and struggle and know
Speaker 5: how hard it is come to conveying information to another
Speaker 5: person with real empathy.
Speaker 3: So no that I was very happy. I was. I
Speaker 3: was doing my research before you had him on, and
Speaker 3: I love him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole idea about putting glasses on, and that
Speaker 5: is really really true, you know. And it's not you know,
Speaker 5: just medication which works for some people and doesn't work
Speaker 5: for other people.
Speaker 3: But it's just an understanding. You know, all go on tangents.
Speaker 5: And now that I can understand this stuff a little
Speaker 5: bit better, I then will like catch myself going on
Speaker 5: a tangent and I'll be like, okay.
Speaker 3: Bring it all over, plan the plane exactly.
Speaker 2: No, I know, I know, but it is.
Speaker 1: It is interesting what happens when you are able to
Speaker 1: look at it as something positive, you know, even even
Speaker 1: just that feeling and that thought, It just changes the
Speaker 1: way that you feel and think immediately, yeah.
Speaker 5: Well it's feeling valuable rather than like the stupid one
Speaker 5: in class.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you also just give yourselves a little grace. You're
Speaker 2: just like, oh wait, yeah.
Speaker 5: And then telling people, you know, I think being able
Speaker 5: to to people like I Also, I also have dyslexia,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, not a great reader.
Speaker 3: I've been read pretty well in my head. But then
Speaker 3: I also realized.
Speaker 5: That I'm like switching things and I like think that
Speaker 5: it means one thing and actually means the opposite because
Speaker 5: I realized there was a note in there or something
Speaker 5: that completely changes everything. But and I did the audio
Speaker 5: book for my books, so you can imagine how yea
Speaker 5: the veriest scariest things for me, and I like came
Speaker 5: in like apologizing. I'm like, I just want you to
Speaker 5: know that, like I'm not the best like alloud reader.
Speaker 5: And they were so lovely and they actually told me
Speaker 5: that a lot of people in this field of you know,
Speaker 5: I don't like to call myself a celebrity body in
Speaker 5: like those that genre public figure books or whatever were books,
Speaker 5: they actually also are very say a lot of them
Speaker 5: have these little little differences that that I have. So
Speaker 5: so anyway, they were really like lovely in featient with
Speaker 5: me and and but but yeah, I'm so grateful that
Speaker 5: people are talking about it now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll talk about the book, talk about the
Speaker 1: inspiration behind it, you know how this all came about.
Speaker 5: So I I mean, I guess maybe maybe I'm learning.
Speaker 5: I'm doing a therapy session right now, because you know,
Speaker 5: I agreed to do.
Speaker 3: I know I'm going on a tangent noticing seeing.
Speaker 1: I love it, by the way, I'm a tangent motherfucker,
Speaker 1: Like I go.
Speaker 3: That will be good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The we agreed to do.
Speaker 5: The reality show without thinking about it, and we started
Speaker 5: filming it two weeks before the trial started, which is
Speaker 5: just like I look back and I'm like, like, I
Speaker 5: didn't think it's what was thinking. I didn't really realize
Speaker 5: the time frame until like it came time and I
Speaker 5: was just like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: This was like what are we going to do now
Speaker 3: that we not film the rest of it? If he
Speaker 3: goes to jail? Like what am we supposed to do?
Speaker 5: Was really really so I actually started writing this book
Speaker 5: right after, right after the trige happened.
Speaker 1: And I was there, I was I was shooting a
Speaker 1: TV show in New Mexico.
Speaker 3: Really were you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: It was just an awful, tragic project time and I
Speaker 5: but I think that, you know, this book helped me
Speaker 5: very much get be a better person, parent, partner because
Speaker 5: it was almost like a journal that I could be,
Speaker 5: that I could be doing, and it really started to connect.
Speaker 5: It was just basically like thought vomit for years because
Speaker 5: every I mean I had a baby during this you
Speaker 5: know what I mean like there was like there was
Speaker 5: this so much stuff happened during the course of writing
Speaker 5: this book. And you know, I'm a because I'm a
Speaker 5: very open person and very unfiltered. I I a lot
Speaker 5: of it was kind of you know, after the trial,
Speaker 5: it really sat down and I it all came together
Speaker 5: and I would do like ten pages a day, which
Speaker 5: for me, somebody like made us a lot. And it
Speaker 5: was that just like I know now what to say,
Speaker 5: whereas I could put feeling, but these is I knew
Speaker 5: what to say in this in this time, or at
Speaker 5: least I hope.
Speaker 3: I hope I said the right things.
Speaker 5: And I also think that, you know, leaning into you know,
Speaker 5: my mi neurodivergence. It is written in very like little
Speaker 5: you know, pieces, a little stories, and that helps me
Speaker 5: as well, because I struggle sometimes with just connect doing
Speaker 5: that seamless storytelling and connecting things where I can.
Speaker 3: Hear here here, here, here, that all works sense here.
Speaker 5: So it is written very much in in my.
Speaker 3: My voice because I wrote it in the way that I.
Speaker 5: Think as well the structure of it, and I hope
Speaker 5: that I shared stories that feel, you know, even though
Speaker 5: I've had extraordinarily unrelatable things happen to me in my life.
Speaker 5: But I think that the themes are hopefully things that
Speaker 5: you know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think that.
Speaker 1: I think that that sells yourself a little short as
Speaker 1: far as unrelatable goes, because that's just I think there again,
Speaker 1: there is a perception of someone who is in the
Speaker 1: public eye, who does have you know, fortune, who does
Speaker 1: have some fame, that they don't feel anything that they
Speaker 1: don't have the same sort of you know, issues and
Speaker 1: hardships and afflictions that that everyone else has and and.
Speaker 2: So we're not allowed to talk about it. There's pain
Speaker 2: in all.
Speaker 1: Of us, right, absolutely, there's relatability in all of our pain.
Speaker 5: You know, yes, yeah, no, And I'm a strong believer
Speaker 5: that if whoever is listening is going to come into
Speaker 5: it either wanting to see humanity or not.
Speaker 3: And then there you go.
Speaker 5: But I hope and I do think that you know,
Speaker 5: whether it is silly parenting stories that I share, or
Speaker 5: you know, issues that Alec and I have had in
Speaker 5: our relationship, or tremendous tragedy.
Speaker 3: Or becoming a mother, you know, losing.
Speaker 5: Pregnancies, these are things that you know, everybody unfortunately knows
Speaker 5: what it's like to experience a tragedy. There are are
Speaker 5: our version of it might be different, but the overall,
Speaker 5: you know, theme is tragedy. The overall theme is problems
Speaker 5: in marriage overall theme. And I think the reason that
Speaker 5: I wanted to share was because it's people sharing with
Speaker 5: me that helped me get through my hard times. You know,
Speaker 5: I think when people come up to me and they'll
Speaker 5: say something very kind, I always want to tell them,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm so grateful for that, and I'm able
Speaker 5: to do these things and you know, be this person
Speaker 5: because other people have inspired me.
Speaker 1: The idea is, we're hearing all of your stories. We're
Speaker 1: getting a little snapshort of your life. We're hearing it
Speaker 1: in your voice, and you know, very digestible chunks.
Speaker 2: So it's not this reflowing sort of book.
Speaker 1: And it's basically the idea is is I thought that
Speaker 1: I knew you have this idea of how to go
Speaker 1: about something, but until you're in it, you really don't know.
Speaker 2: You know, there is no manual like you think that.
Speaker 1: There's an okay when I have kids, this is how
Speaker 1: I'm going to feel when I get married, this is
Speaker 1: how it's going to be, you know, and it's just
Speaker 1: never what you think it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, exactly, and being open and curious and self
Speaker 5: forgiving of when you know when you get it wrong,
Speaker 5: and you know, not beating myself up, feeling sometimes like
Speaker 5: I let myself down, you know, I let somebody get
Speaker 5: to me, and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3: Told that myself.
Speaker 5: I would never let that happen again, you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: these are this is is just a human but and
Speaker 5: it's also you know the question that you asked me
Speaker 5: before about, you know, was I prepared for any of
Speaker 5: this what I was signing up for? And that's you know,
Speaker 5: I really wanted nothing to do with this business.
Speaker 3: That now I very much enjoy.
Speaker 5: As much as we talk about the negative things, there's
Speaker 5: so much amazing things about this business. There's so much
Speaker 5: and I really.
Speaker 3: Am so grateful for it, and I've really enjoyed myself.
Speaker 5: But you know, there is you know, I was very
Speaker 5: frightened of it at the beginning. I didn't really know
Speaker 5: anything I was getting into. And I remember that I
Speaker 5: was encouraged once we got I think that's when we're
Speaker 5: getting engaged to do a piece with extra then that
Speaker 5: I worked for for many years afterwards, because I became
Speaker 5: friendly with them, and they basically said, if you give
Speaker 5: this story, then everybody will leave you alone. And that's
Speaker 5: why I did the first thing. I was like, great,
Speaker 5: I will do this and then everybody.
Speaker 3: Will just leave me alone. I can go back to
Speaker 3: teaching yoga and that's it.
Speaker 5: Obviously that was not a true promise, and I also
Speaker 5: leaned into it as well.
Speaker 3: I'd have to take responsibility for it, but it is.
Speaker 3: I was my initial thing.
Speaker 5: And so you know, I look at this past fourteen
Speaker 5: years plus that I've known Alec and a lot of
Speaker 5: other people have been done doing the talking for me. Right,
Speaker 5: you know, if they talk about you, they talk for you.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's true, sometimes it's not true. Sometimes it's positive,
Speaker 5: sometimes it's not positive. Right, we have all of the things,
Speaker 5: but the most important thing is that they're talking for me.
Speaker 3: And that's where I, you know, wanted to be.
Speaker 5: Like, you know what, I'm going to talk for myself.
Speaker 5: So the book is I'm talking for myself. The show
Speaker 5: is we're talking. That's my new I'm in my forties
Speaker 5: now talking for myself.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: And then moving forward forty and on, do you have
Speaker 1: sort of goals or aspirations of sort of how you
Speaker 1: want to shift it or live your life, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you're done with having kids or
Speaker 1: so you say, right, so that's done. You know what's new?
Speaker 1: Like is there is there a piece of you when
Speaker 1: you turn forty? We're like, you know what this is
Speaker 1: who I want.
Speaker 2: To be known.
Speaker 3: I feel like one of the gaps that people don't talk.
Speaker 5: About very much for women. I don't know how you
Speaker 5: feel for men, but for women is we are kids.
Speaker 5: We you know, get educated, We're going to go to college.
Speaker 5: And again my generation can go to college. I know
Speaker 5: that I'm very lucky in this way to have had
Speaker 5: that as a dream that is achievable. And them we
Speaker 5: get married and I'm gonna have kids and then it's over. Yeah,
Speaker 5: nobody talks about the afterpart. So that's what I'm like
Speaker 5: in the age of discovery.
Speaker 3: You know that right now? And I feel that there's
Speaker 3: lot of raising to be down with these children that
Speaker 3: I have put in right so.
Speaker 5: We're in the raising face and I think, you know,
Speaker 5: I think just in terms of feeling every single day,
Speaker 5: I don't want to feel like the world is out
Speaker 5: to get me, which has or out to get my
Speaker 5: family which has been a dark thought that I've had
Speaker 5: for a very long time.
Speaker 3: And as much as I try to be positive, and
Speaker 3: that is my vulnerable state of just oh god, they're trying,
Speaker 3: you know. You know, we'll have.
Speaker 5: People come up to us on the street and we're
Speaker 5: just walking with a kid, and you know they're up
Speaker 5: to no good and they just start streaming and like
Speaker 5: you know, tabloid press, they're screaming stuff and they're just
Speaker 5: trying to get a reaction, and you can go from
Speaker 5: a sunny, beautiful day to all of a sudden they're
Speaker 5: in your face. You weren't expecting it. Like I don't
Speaker 5: want that anymore, and I know that I can't make
Speaker 5: them go away. There's absolutely nothing, and I'm like they
Speaker 5: have a teacher. I'm like, don't you see my human
Speaker 5: and the and they're like I don't care about but
Speaker 5: it's very painful. But if I want to try to
Speaker 5: lean more and more into just surrounding myself by like
Speaker 5: really good and positive people, always remembering that even when
Speaker 5: there's negativity, there's so much more positive people and so
Speaker 5: much more kind people. And so I just have to
Speaker 5: lean into that more and more. And I'm the one
Speaker 5: that has to trade that. You know, I can't expect
Speaker 5: the world is going to do it for me.
Speaker 2: Because they're not exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: This is just a choice because there are things we
Speaker 1: can control and things we can't. Obviously we you cannot
Speaker 1: control anyone coming up to you, the way that they
Speaker 1: feel about you, how they approach you and your family,
Speaker 1: the disrespect, the invasion. You can't control that. The only
Speaker 1: you control is how you react, how you react, how
Speaker 1: you bring that in. That's it, I mean, because the
Speaker 1: answer is not being a homebody and just fucking staying
Speaker 1: inside all day. That's not That's not who you are,
Speaker 1: and that's not who we are as humans. We want
Speaker 1: to get out, we want to experience. So it's just
Speaker 1: about sort of making the choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's very true, It's very true.
Speaker 1: One more question, what do you think the biggest sort
Speaker 1: of misconception of you is? You know, because like you
Speaker 1: just said it, people speak for you about you, and
Speaker 1: then it builds a perception of you that is not
Speaker 1: necessarily true. What would you say is the biggest misconception?
Speaker 5: I mean, I think if I were to look at
Speaker 5: a twenty seven year old yoga instructor who was dating
Speaker 5: a fifty three year old rich and famous man.
Speaker 3: What would I think? Right?
Speaker 5: And so anytime people think things about me, I try
Speaker 5: to give them the empathy and the compassion of without
Speaker 5: the experiences that I have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what would I think about somebody in my shoes?
Speaker 2: Interesting?
Speaker 5: And so you know, I I have zero interest in
Speaker 5: setting records straight.
Speaker 3: And then this and then that is like.
Speaker 5: Again, people are gonna see you, or they're not gonna
Speaker 5: see They're gonna like you, They're not gonna like you,
Speaker 5: They're gonna want to take you in, or they're.
Speaker 3: Not gonna take you in. But I think that, you know,
Speaker 3: all I've wanted to do is belong and be who
Speaker 3: I always am.
Speaker 5: And you know, I enjoyed so much and start teaching
Speaker 5: yog at five o'clock in the morning and I finished
Speaker 5: at ten thirty pm most days, and I worked three
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty five days out of the year and
Speaker 5: I loved it so much, And get paid thirty five
Speaker 5: dollars a class, and I really, you know, enjoy just
Speaker 5: being there and helping people feel better.
Speaker 3: And that is something that it still guides me. You know.
Speaker 5: Again, I'm raised by I'm raised by My parents are
Speaker 5: very hippie and I am very much a product of that.
Speaker 3: And so I mean, I just I guess, you know,
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 5: I have been brought into worlds that sometimes people want
Speaker 5: to look at you as you're you know, conniving and
Speaker 5: trying things. And you see it about other women who
Speaker 5: start dating rich and famous men. I feel like it's
Speaker 5: very a little different when it's a man coming in
Speaker 5: dating a rich and famous woman, Right, it's a little different.
Speaker 5: There's a very specific thing. And I think it's these
Speaker 5: fairy tales that we grow up with and you know,
Speaker 5: the prince choosing one of them.
Speaker 3: And I think that.
Speaker 5: It's, you know, this idea that you know, women we
Speaker 5: sometimes feel like, you know.
Speaker 3: Where it's it's a it's a well. You know. Sometimes
Speaker 3: men can be like a well and we're like, okay,
Speaker 3: we've got to get to the first to the well.
Speaker 5: And you know, I hope that more and more we
Speaker 5: can establish you know, equal rights where we don't have
Speaker 5: to compete or have feel competing with each other for something.
Speaker 5: So I don't know, I try not to read too
Speaker 5: much about other people's opinions because you know, but I
Speaker 5: think that I try to understand what people say and
Speaker 5: you know, if I encourage people to read the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, read the book.
Speaker 1: And I also think that you make a great point,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like the fact that you
Speaker 1: can sort of put yourself in their shoes and understand
Speaker 1: where they're coming from and what you might think given
Speaker 1: the fact, given that you.
Speaker 2: Aren't who you are, right, I think that that's smart,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I think that does bring on some empathy, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, they might be wrong, they might have these
Speaker 1: opinions that are built out of something that is bullshit,
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe I would think the same thing.
Speaker 1: Get to know me, understand who I am, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's that's it. And there's nothing you can do
Speaker 1: about it except be you.
Speaker 3: That's it exactly. And there's nothing else that I that
Speaker 3: I want to do, you know, and I want my
Speaker 3: kids to.
Speaker 2: Know how to do that.
Speaker 3: I'm just like what it is, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it, because the truth is, we don't have money
Speaker 1: all that ship that we a true legacy, what we
Speaker 1: truly leave behind. It's not award, it's not fame, it's
Speaker 1: not money. It's our children. They're the ones who are
Speaker 1: carrying us on. Essentially, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: then our grandchildren and break grand I mean, we are
Speaker 1: the legacy and if we need to give them, we
Speaker 1: need to give them a piece of us, to impart
Speaker 1: wisdom into them that they can take or not. Then
Speaker 1: they will continue on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Abs, absolutely well cool.
Speaker 2: This has been rather I appreciate you coming.
Speaker 3: On talking to appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Be well, good luck with the book. Were good talking
Speaker 2: to you all right.
Speaker 3: Thank you, bye, take care. Thank you.