1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Delay Delay, Delay, a defense 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: attorney's best friend. I'm talking about Brian Walsh, remember that name. 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: Brian Walsh is charged in the murder of his wife, Anna, 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: the mother of his children. If you'll recall, her body 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: has never been found. Brian Walsh claimed that his gorgeous 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: young wife left on a weekend, a holiday weekend, to 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: go back to work, headed for the airport. Well, that 8 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: didn't happen. Brian Walsh now charged with Anna's murder, even though, 9 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: as I said, her body hasn't been found. But in 10 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: the last hours, Brian Walsh back in court. He's had 11 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: his first hearing in some time regarding the murder of 12 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: his wife Anna. His also in federal court appealing a 13 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: sentence recently handed down over art fraud. While in court 14 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: in Norfolk Superior Court in Massachusetts, lawyers for both sides 15 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: decided that the defense states to quote catch up on 16 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: the evidence in the murder case. Translation, they're not ready. 17 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: But what does art fraud have to do with the 18 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: murder of Anna Walsh and the possible dismemberment of her body. 19 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being 20 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: with us as you will recall Brian Walsh, accused of 21 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: murdering his wife New Year's Day twenty twenty three and 22 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: lying about where she went. He was just sentenced in 23 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: Boston's Federal Court in a separate art fraud case. Now 24 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: the judge sentenced Brian Walsh to thirty seven months at 25 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: over three years on each arn't fraud to runking currently 26 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: or at the same time. That jail sentence will also 27 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: run concurrently to any state sentence he may get and 28 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: the murder of his wife. Let me jog your memory 29 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: regarding the murder of Anna Walsh. What exactly happened? Glamorous, elegant, 30 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: I could speak several languages, had traveled abroad. Just a 31 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: beautiful woman and a loving mother. I Meancy Grace. This 32 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here 33 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and series XM one eleven. Friends and 34 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: family or stunned when Anna disappears after a New Year's 35 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: Eve party, listen. 36 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 2: New Tonight Police are asking the public to help them 37 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: find a cohaset Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without 38 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: a trace on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old 39 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 2: Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning, she was 40 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: supposed to take a flight from Logan to DC, where 41 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: she worked during the week, but there's no record of 42 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports 43 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: that she took a ride share, but investigators haven't been 44 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: able to confirm that. 45 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: Three days after she was seen leaving her home with 46 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing. 47 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 4: We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride 48 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 4: share in Cohacit. We confurther, we have confirmed with the 49 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 4: Alnes and that's been a challenge that she did not 50 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: board a plane this week. 51 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: Police say her phone has been off and there has 52 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 3: been no activity on her credit or debit cards. 53 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 5: Just a loving wife and mother Dave. She always says, 54 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 5: three beautiful boys, three bautical boys. 55 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 6: So she loves so much. 56 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: Too, little boys wondering where is mommy? You were hearing 57 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: our friends at wpr I and WUSA, So where's Anna now? 58 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: I had to take that exact flight very often, and 59 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: between New York and Boston and DC, it's almost a 60 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: triangle of hourly flights with me an all star panel 61 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now, but 62 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: first I'm going to go to Bob Ward, reporter for 63 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: Boston twenty five News. You can find him at Twitter 64 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: at b Ward three. Bob, thank you for being with us. 65 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: Could you just verbalize that a little bit better than 66 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: I did. I mean, I know, out of in New York, 67 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: I would very often have to race from Court TV 68 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: to get to the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia, a 69 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: different terminal than the main LaGuardia terminal, because they had 70 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: hourly flights not only to Atlanta, but to DC where 71 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: I would go to shoot Larry King. And believe it 72 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: or not, they were so regular, almost like a bus. 73 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, I could be there within two hours 74 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: of leaving the studios in Manhattan. It was amazing. But 75 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: there's so many flights out of Logan to New York 76 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: and DC. That's a lot of investigation to find out 77 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: if she really did get on a plying right. 78 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 7: But you know, Nanthy, right from the very beginning, this 79 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 7: sounded odd because you're talking this was New Year's Day. 80 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 7: This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day. 81 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 7: She had a party at her house that went until 82 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 7: about one o'clock in the morning New Year's Eve into 83 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 7: New Year's Day. A mother of three who claimed there 84 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 7: was an emergency at her realty firm in Washington, d C. 85 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: Okay, well let me let me let's start right there. 86 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: Bob Ward is joining me from Boston twenty five knews. 87 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 1: I'm drinking out of the fireheiser from you, Bob Ward. 88 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: You're giving me so much information so quickly. So with 89 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: the three children. She was actually working in DC, living 90 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,559 Speaker 1: right in the Boston area. And what was her job 91 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: in DC? Was it a new job? 92 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 7: It was, it was a fairly new job. You know, 93 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 7: we're still trying to unpack some of this stuff. But 94 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 7: she had she had a job with an apartment down 95 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 7: in d C. 96 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: Okay, but what was her job in DC? 97 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 7: I'm not clear on what her job was. She was 98 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 7: not a realtor, but she was some kind of property manager. 99 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: That's it. That's what it was. Property manager. And hold 100 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: on just a moment. We all know, about getting a 101 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: new job, you feel like you've got to do whatever 102 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: they want to make that great impression so they don't say, wow, 103 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: we've got her on six months probation. We're going to 104 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: can her. She's not doing a very good job. I mean, 105 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: David Stuttard is with me right now, guys, Now I 106 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: think of David stutter as a motorman, as an APD 107 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: Atlanta Police Department officer, but now he is a very 108 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: well known lawyer. David Stutterard, do you remember your first 109 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: day on the job as a cop? Absolutely? 110 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 8: I do, And it was a long, long time ago, 111 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 8: nineteen to eighty eight, And I do remember my first day, 112 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 8: and I was super excited, super enthusiastic, and just wanting 113 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 8: to get out and save the world. 114 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: And didn't want to screw anything up and land at 115 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: some desk assignment. 116 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 5: That's right. 117 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 8: We were on a very strict six month probationary period 118 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 8: when we first started there, and any infraction would cause 119 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 8: you some difficulty right quick. So to your point, absolutely, 120 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 8: I was willing to do whatever I needed to do 121 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 8: to get to that probationary career. 122 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: And then you put yourself through law skill. Can you 123 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: remember your first day working as a lawyer, like, man, 124 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm going unscrew this up. This is nothing like being 125 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: a cop. 126 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 8: That's absolutely right, the same sort of feeling. 127 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: I mean. Karen Stark, you remember you would be with 128 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: me on the set at Court TV. Karen Stark is 129 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: with me, renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan Jurisdiction. 130 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: She's at Karenstark dot com, Karen with to see Karen. 131 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: You'd be with me on the set at Court TV, 132 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: and my stomach would be churning to figure out if 133 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: I can make that flight to get to Larry King's 134 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: studios in Washington to get on the air, you know, 135 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: and I would make it. I don't think I ever 136 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: did not make it. But when you've got a new gig, 137 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: you'll do anything. And if they told me, hey, you 138 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: got to fly to DC to be on tonight, I go, sure, 139 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: I can't wait. Just like this woman, they go, hey 140 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: you got to fly down to DC. We got an emergency. 141 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's New Year's Day. And she 142 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: would hop that plane would do you agree with that? 143 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 9: I would agree with it, Nancy. And I remember those 144 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 9: days like it was yesterday, and you were always doing 145 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 9: above and beyond what. 146 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: You needed to do. 147 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 9: I used to watch Jo and Larry King because I 148 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 9: couldn't believe that you would make it, and you always 149 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 9: made it. 150 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: But what pressure. Yeah, there were a lot of white 151 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: knuckles in a cab trying to get to La Guardian Marine. 152 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: So we're hearing from Bob ward that something wasn't right, 153 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: but yet it was a new job, so people talked 154 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: it off, well, you know, she's proving herself. But then 155 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: things even went more sideways. Take a listen to our 156 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: friends at Boston twenty five. 157 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 10: A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how 158 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 10: the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting 159 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 10: a well being check was made on January fourth by 160 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 10: a man who identified himself as the head of security 161 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 10: at Honnor Walsh's employer in DC, Kishman Spyer. The log 162 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 10: says Tishman's buy er contacted husband Brian Walsh before he 163 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 10: reported his wife missing. It explains that he told police 164 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 10: on a left for DC and he hadn't heard from 165 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 10: her since. According to the log, on his phone last 166 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 10: pied on January twond at three fourteen am in Cohasset 167 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 10: and hit the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohasset, less 168 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 10: than a mile from the family's home. 169 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: Okay with me. Very well known PI private investigator Tom 170 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: Ruskin is with us. Ruskin is president of CMP Protective 171 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: and Investigative Group, Inc. Former NYPD investigator, and you can 172 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: find him at Cmpdashgroup dot com. Tom Ruskin, I don't 173 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: like it when it's your job calling to report you missing, 174 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: not your family. 175 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 6: Correct. I mean it distincts to the high heavens. It 176 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 6: really does not. To mention that it is a a 177 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 6: lot easier now than when I joined the force before 178 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 6: my colleague in nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, 179 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 6: to check TSA records, to check different airlines. There's only 180 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 6: a certain number of airlines that would fly between her 181 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 6: home and Washington, DC, And it's very easy for the 182 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 6: TSA and holy insecurity to go into those records now 183 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 6: and search for her name, her data, birth and see 184 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 6: if she A had a plane reservation, B did she 185 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 6: clear security with all the cameras that are in airports, 186 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 6: and C did she actually get on the flight? 187 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, That's an excellent 188 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: point I hadn't even thought of, because I remember going 189 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: in your life at this stutter, going to the greyhound 190 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: bus station in inner city Atlantic trying to find out 191 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: if a particular woman who always into this day is 192 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: still a Jane Day by the way, who's murdered if 193 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: she had gotten off of a greyhound bus before she 194 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: was murdered by him. I believe to be a serial killer. 195 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: Don't worry. I got him on one one. He's still 196 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: in jail right now. Prison prison, not jail. But it 197 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: was so hard to do. 198 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 6: Tom, Nancy. You'll also remember when you ran from Court 199 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 6: TV to the Marine Air terminal at Laguardi Airport. You 200 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 6: used to be able to run through no maginetometers. You'd 201 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 6: run on the Delta flight or People's Express flight or 202 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 6: Eastern back then, and you just jump on the flight 203 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 6: with a random ticket that you could just say any hour. 204 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 6: Nowadays you can't do that. 205 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What exactly was the art 206 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: fraud with which Brian Walsh is charged. It started when 207 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: a buyer saw two Andy Warhol paintings for sale on eBay. 208 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: That's really odd, isn't it. It's like seeing the Mona 209 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: Lisa on eBay uh Okay. The listing included photographs of 210 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: authentication stamps. Now, the buyer arranged to buy those paintings, 211 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: part of a Shadows series of Warhols, for eighty gram 212 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: But after having an assistant picked the paintings up, the 213 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: buyer finds out there were no authentication stamps and the 214 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: canvas looked new. That led to an FBI investigation. But 215 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: what does that have to do with murder? Did Anna 216 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: Waltz discover the art fraud? Whi's she going to testify 217 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: about the art fraud? Did Brian Wals murder Anna Waltz, 218 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: the mother of his children, over art fraud? Or was 219 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: it because as she was set to leave him? The 220 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: employer is reporting Anna missing, not her family. But listen 221 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: to this WBZ. 222 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left 223 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 3: by mister Walsh for one of Hona's friends. It's the 224 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: same day Anna was reported missing to police. 225 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 11: Said Brian Walsh. I hope all is going well. I 226 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 11: was just just reaching out to basically everybody I could. 227 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 11: Anna hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know, 228 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 11: anyone that might have that contact with her, just you know, 229 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 11: calling everyone. So I heard to bother you for everything. Fine. 230 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: So we do see the husband reaching out to her 231 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: friends and leaving voicemails for all of them, trying to 232 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: find out if they had heard from Anna and joining 233 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: me right now. Julie lewis President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. 234 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: At Digitalmountain dot com. Julie, thank you for being with 235 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: us Tom Ruskin, the PI points out how much easier 236 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: it is to check flight records through TSA and even 237 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: getting subpoenas very quickly, or asking the carrier you know, 238 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: like Delta to check their records to find out if 239 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: somebody made a flight. So, according to police, she didn't 240 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: make that flight. But what Julie lewis about ride share, lift, 241 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: Uber and all the others digitally, wouldn't that leave a 242 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: trail if she had taken a right chair to the airport. 243 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 5: So you can certainly contact the custodian of records at 244 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 5: the ubers the lists and types of companies that she 245 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 5: would have taken a ride share and find out that 246 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 5: information with legal due process. 247 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 9: And see what you know, what the actual fact pattern 248 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 9: is there? 249 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: Well, what about her phone? I mean most people get 250 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: their right chair through their phone app. 251 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 5: If you have access to her yes, if you have 252 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 5: access to her phone, you knew the whereabouts of that phone. 253 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 5: You would have access to the app, but most of 254 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 5: that data would be stored in the cloud and pointing 255 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 5: up to the Uber application. Not it might not be 256 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 5: stored on the local phone. 257 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 8: So that's something to consider. 258 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: Got a question for you, Julie Lewis. If we don't 259 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: have her phone, but we do have her code, say 260 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: it like everybody else in America their birthday or their 261 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone, 262 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: can we get into the iCloud that way? 263 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 5: Typically you would need the user name, you would need 264 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 5: a password for the accounts, and you would also if 265 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 5: they have Multifacturer authentication turned on the code from the 266 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 5: text message. 267 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: So a little harder than I thought. But you know 268 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: what we're talking about, her phone and where she Where 269 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: is the husband during all of this? Take to listen 270 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: our cut thirty five, I've Lynn b Lund talking kind 271 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: to indicate our January. 272 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 12: First at three pm he did some arns and which 273 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 12: was not his house and swamps, but lost because he 274 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 12: didn't have his farm. He said he know he was 275 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 12: lost when he saw a pirate ship one one defenders did. 276 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 12: Stayed fifteen minutes, then went. 277 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: To Whole Foods in CBS. 278 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 12: Savanah's has checked and he did not enter either at 279 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 12: those stores. 280 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Bob Ward, Boston twenty five on this the disappearance 281 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: of Atto Walsh since the beginning saw a pirate ship 282 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: on route one what okay, no, wait a minute. Wait, wait, 283 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: so he says. The husband says he's going to visit 284 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: his mother and he gets lost on the way to 285 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: his mom's home, and when he sees a pirate ship, 286 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: he knows he's lost, but then goes into the whole 287 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: foods of CBS even though he's lost. 288 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 7: What the parnership is a landmark on the rout one area. 289 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 7: There's you know that area of Swampskit where his mother lives. 290 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 7: There are some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants, that 291 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 7: sort of thing. And I think that's what it was 292 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 7: that he's talking about, was a landmark that he saw 293 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 7: that told him where he was. And he said he 294 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 7: got lost because he didn't have the GPS on his 295 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 7: phone with him because he's left it at home. 296 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: Karen Starr, I find that very unusual. I've told that 297 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: my twins is like the wizards and their wands and 298 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without it. Well, doesn't 299 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: make sense to me he didn't have a cell phone, 300 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: especially if he hasn't her from his wife, wouldn't you 301 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: keep your cell phone with you at that time? In 302 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: case she called brot RUPs, think about this. 303 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 9: Nancy how many people really leave home these days without 304 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 9: their phone. 305 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: It's it's improbable. 306 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 5: I have trouble. 307 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 9: Believing that he accidentally left it home and he knows 308 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 9: that he's being watched. It seems to me so he 309 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 9: intentionally left that phone home. I have no doubt about it. 310 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 9: He's the nefarious character. He knows exactly what he's doing. 311 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: In the search for Anna Walsh, local authorities find something 312 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: very unusual. Take a listen to our cut forty. 313 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 12: Data from the phone also tracked his whereaboats on January third. 314 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 12: Locations were traveled at four twenty seven on January third 315 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 12: from an impartment complex in Hambingen, so valiance shows the 316 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 12: defendant's bobo as well as a male fitting the defendant's appearance, Exeter. 317 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: Cob near the dumpster. 318 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 12: He walks to the dumpster carrying garbage bag he's leaning 319 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 12: and it appears to be heavy as he has to 320 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 12: it heft it into the dumpster. He walks to the 321 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 12: dumpster with the garbage bag and leaves it on full. 322 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: Forty eight. 323 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 12: He hit another complex in Avergon and at one pm. 324 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 12: Cell phone shows records at another pot in their broadtown. 325 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 12: Video shows of high and consistent with his appearance and 326 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 12: his global again he decided how you to skin the dumpster? 327 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: Bob Ward joining us from Boston twenty five on his disappearance. 328 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: From the very beginning, I don't have a problem with 329 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: my husband throwing trash out there in the dumpster outside 330 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: our house. But when he starts going from one dumpster 331 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: to the next dumpster, to the next dumpster to the 332 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: next dumpster, all in within a one hour period, that 333 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: concerns me. And you know who reminds me of and 334 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna know this name very well. Jennifer Dulo's the 335 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: missing Connecticut mom of five. Remember her husband, Fotus Delos 336 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: and his mistress. They're going all around town dropping off 337 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: items and they're caught on surveillance video. Why is it, 338 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: Bob Ward, maybe you can shed some light on this. 339 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: Why is it that when a goes missing, her husband 340 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: suddenly turns into a knee nick and he has to 341 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: throw out the trash? 342 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 7: Good question, Nanty, I think you know the answer to that. 343 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 7: And that's the allegation here that the sadly that January 344 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 7: third incident that you just played the cut from the 345 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 7: dumpsters in the south Shore and Avington and Brockton. What 346 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 7: we're going to find out in court, that is, when 347 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 7: the remains of on A. Walsh are being discarded in 348 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 7: those dumpsters, those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator 349 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 7: in the south shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour 350 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 7: of those dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed. 351 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 7: Anna Walsh's remains have never been located, and the thought 352 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 7: is that they never will be because that's where those 353 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 7: bags were brought. The other trash bags that were recovered 354 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 7: in this case were brought to the north shore near 355 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 7: that pirate ship that we just talked about, and they 356 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 7: were not brought to an incinerator, but to a landfill 357 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 7: they were found. And it's so, I don't know if 358 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 7: I'm getting ahead of us, but inside those trash bags 359 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 7: is where the evidence, the incriminating evidence has been located 360 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 7: in this case. 361 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: Bob Ward, could you tell me everything you just said 362 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: one more time in very slowly? 363 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 8: Sure? 364 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: I think the gist is that very quickly after husband 365 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: Brian Walt visited these various dumpsters, the dumpsters were cleaned 366 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: out where the trash was picked up and taken some 367 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: to an incinerator and some to the pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, 368 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: hold on, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark, 369 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: have you ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny 370 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: bit of truth into their big fat lie the pirate ship. 371 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 9: I mean, that's what makes pathological liars so interesting, Nancy, 372 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 9: is because it's usually based on a hint of truth. 373 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: Right, Like no smoke without fire. 374 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 9: There's a little bit of smoke, but the rest that 375 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 9: they conjure up, and they're very adept at being able 376 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 9: to tell a lie that has a little bit of 377 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 9: truth in it, but a lot of Faucetod. 378 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: Did Brian Walsh murder his wife, Anna, the mother of 379 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: his children because she knew about more extensive arn't fraud? 380 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: Did that exist? Is that motive for murder? Or was 381 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: she murdered because she intended to leave Brian Walsh? What 382 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: more do we know about her murder? Okay, Bob Ward 383 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: joining me? Investigative Report of Boston twenty five, tell me 384 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: again what you just said. 385 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 7: So on January third, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors, 386 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 7: is recorded on surveillance trying to dump trash bags into 387 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 7: dumpsters in the south shore of Boston, in the towns 388 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 7: of Abington and Brockton. The prosecution believes that those trash 389 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 7: bags that he was struggling with to get into the 390 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 7: dumpsters contained the dismembered remains of his wife, on A. 391 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 13: Walsh. 392 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 7: Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to 393 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 7: an incinerator in the South Shore. Within an hour of 394 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 7: those trash bags arriving at that incinerator, they were incinerated 395 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 7: and converted into electricity, and Walsh's remains have never been found. 396 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 7: It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case. 397 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 7: The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did not, 398 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 7: allegedly did not discard of all the evidence in the 399 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 7: case on the South Shore. The allegation is that he 400 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 7: took his tools, the instruments that he used to dismember 401 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 7: his white's body, along with some of her clothes and belongings, 402 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 7: and put them in other trash bags and discarded those 403 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 7: things in dumpsters on the north shore of Boston near 404 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 7: his mother's house, near that pirate ship. Trash bags have 405 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 7: been recovered and those items are going to be an 406 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 7: important part of this case in this trial when it 407 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 7: takes place, and what do you believe Bob Ward were 408 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 7: in those trash bags in January. What we've been told 409 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 7: was that they found a hatchet, a hacksaw, they found 410 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 7: a bloody rug, they found Anna's product purse, they found 411 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 7: the boots that she was seen wearing at that New 412 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 7: Year's Eve party, and Nancy, they found her COVID nineteen card. 413 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 7: It's absolutely stunning what they found. 414 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: Joining me former APD Atlanta Police Department officer and now lawyer, 415 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: what rank did you get to started? 416 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 8: I left, there's an investigator, Nante's a homicide detective and 417 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 8: I left. 418 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: Okay, David, have you ever had a case without a body, 419 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: a homicide without a body? 420 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 8: Yes, I had. 421 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: Can I just say that's a tough pill to swallow? 422 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 8: It is unfortunately even in those cases. And this guy look, 423 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 8: you know, as a homicide detective, I would have been 424 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 8: looking at this guy immediately simply based on the fact 425 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 8: that his wife gets on an airplane. She's apparently overdue. 426 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 8: He hasn't heard from her in three days. Only after 427 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 8: he is contacted by her employer does he make an 428 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 8: outcry about his wife. That'll, I mean, my wife gets 429 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 8: on an airplane, she travels frequently. If I haven't heard from her, 430 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 8: a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down. I 431 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 8: get Frank, I mean, I'm calling every you know, trying 432 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 8: to call her and call her. This guy has done nothing, 433 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 8: but he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean, he's 434 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 8: going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know, 435 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 8: and not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located, 436 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 8: which to my point is, you know, even the most 437 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 8: careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's 438 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 8: almost impossible to do it without leaving some sort of 439 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 8: forensic physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a 440 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 8: mountain of it. 441 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean, and could you here's another thing, Julie Lewis, 442 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle back to you just a moment about 443 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: possible NAV systems on his car. But Tom Ruskin joining me, 444 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: and then I want Karen start to weigh in on 445 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: this as well. Tom Ruskin, guy's private investigator or extraordinary 446 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group. Tom listen, I 447 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: don't like jewelry. I really don't like fancy clothes. I 448 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: don't like fancy cars. But if you were to take 449 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: let's just say this little ring right here, this is 450 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: made of my mother in law's jewelry. Okay, it's very thin, 451 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: it's not be jeweled, but if you were to take that, 452 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: I would come after you, all right. There are just 453 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: some things that would matter to me. And I've got 454 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: a funny feeling this woman would not want her to 455 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: fancy boots at her product hers thrown. 456 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 6: Out, No, and it would be weird if she had 457 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 6: left and left for a business trip, if she didn't 458 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 6: take those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in 459 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 6: the house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely the 460 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 6: prime suspect, and probably we'll be convicted at trial. The 461 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 6: fact of the matter is, to the other gentleman's point, 462 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 6: you don't need a body anymore to prove a case. 463 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: It sure helps, though, man, come on, Ruskin, I mean, yeah, 464 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: you don't need a body. I'm not going to give 465 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: him a gold star for getting rid of the body. 466 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing 467 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: on the evidence that we have. But it's sure as 468 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: heck helps if you do have a dead body to 469 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: prove a murder case. 470 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 6: But it also goes against him because we know that 471 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 6: he was in these yards. He was dumping stuff. What 472 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 6: is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His 473 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 6: pickup's not working at his house. 474 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: Karen starts, He's so right, and care Aaron. Again, I 475 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: threw this to Stuttard earlier, I think, but why do 476 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: guys turn into neat nicks as soon as their wives disappear? 477 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: And again, like Stutdard said, and like Ruskin is saying 478 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct. 479 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: He doesn't check on his wife to see if she landed. 480 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: Her employer has to call looking for her. And then 481 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: he wants to take out the trash. Fine, do it 482 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: at the corner at the end of the driveway or 483 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: the trash ute in your apartment in Manhattan. But why 484 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: do you go to five or six different dumpsters? And 485 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: because somebody just surprised me once and not throw bloody 486 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: rags and towels in a dumpster. Do something different? 487 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 9: What always happens, Nancy. He believes he's not going to 488 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 9: get caught, and this looks suspicious, so suspicious. I mean, 489 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 9: he gets lost going to his mother. 490 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: He didn't get lost. He's trying to explain his circuitous 491 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: route from one dump to the next. 492 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 9: And also saying that he went to places where they 493 00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 9: could check and he did not. 494 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 6: So, Nancy, can I jump in for one second, Yes, 495 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 6: I just want to bring well, to bring up the 496 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 6: fact this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband 497 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 6: has nothing to do with her murder. This is a 498 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 6: woman who's going to take a flight supposedly from Boston 499 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 6: to Washington on a business trip. Why is her phone off? 500 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 6: No one that travels, myself, my loved ones, my family. Well, 501 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 6: we go to the airport, you shut off your phone 502 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 6: once you're on the flight, and you turn it on. 503 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 6: To mister Stoddard's point once you land. Why is she 504 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 6: becoming lost, unsereptitious, or becoming covert in her actions, which 505 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 6: sort of deflies the logic of the husband. 506 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin, private Investigator, You're absolutely right. I mean, I 507 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: don't guess any of you people on this panel have 508 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: read Don't Be a Victim written by Oh what's that 509 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: girl's name? Oh, Nancy Grace. You're supposed to like take 510 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: a picture of when you're in the parking deck, which 511 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: I do and send in my family, and then when 512 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: I get them on the plane, I take a picture. 513 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm on the plane and send to them. You don't 514 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: even have to write a text or write words, but 515 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: just let people know where you're going. Jack, I think 516 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: I've even sent them to you before. Yes I have. Okay, guys, 517 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: that's not the end of it. But I want to 518 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: ask Julie Louis something, President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. Julie, 519 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: what about I like to just say on Star as 520 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: a blanket nav description, wouldn't his car show everywhere he 521 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: had been if it were, you know, anything older than 522 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: twenty ten. 523 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 5: So before I jump into that, I just you were 524 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 5: talking about pictures and there was supposedly a picture she 525 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 5: photographed of herself with her wedding ring off in some 526 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 5: of her final photos, and so within that picture there's 527 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 5: things called excess data that you can look for that 528 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 5: potentially could have geolocation information about where she was when 529 00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 5: the picture was taken. 530 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: Say that is why you're the expert. I didn't even 531 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: catch that, Julie Lewis. 532 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 5: So switching gears to the car, you know, the car 533 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 5: is a moving computer these days on most cars with 534 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 5: why fuy has GPS, it has a cell network, all 535 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 5: these things that you can use for tracking. So if 536 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 5: Brian's car has has that in it. Law enforcement could 537 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 5: have certainly used that information. The other thing that happens 538 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 5: in cars is a lot of people think their phones 539 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 5: and so text messages, contacts, you know, browser history, all 540 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 5: these things may be on that on the car. 541 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 7: Now. 542 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 5: You know, for example, if you rent a car, even 543 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 5: that information can. 544 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 10: Be on that. 545 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 5: So that's something that's really important to note. 546 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: You mean, when you charge your phone in a car, 547 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: the car can track everything that you have written on 548 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: your phone during that time. 549 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 5: It could be thinking like when you when you are 550 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 5: in a uber your playlist. Depending on the configuration, it 551 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 5: could actually down on that. So you don't want to 552 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 5: go in some strangers car rental car and plug it 553 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 5: in because the car and fountainment system could be grabbing 554 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 5: and capturing some information from your phone. 555 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Where is the body of 556 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: Anna Walsh? We can't count on anything, Brian Walsh says, 557 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: we already know that he lined to even a friend 558 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: in the art fraud dealings. He gained access to those 559 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: paintings by telling a friend who was the lawful owner 560 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: of the paintings he could help the friends sell the 561 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: paintings at a good price. According to court documents we 562 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: have obtained, that friend told investigators that after Walsh took 563 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: the art, the friend could no longer contact him. He 564 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: took a powder, he got ghosted. The art in question 565 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: was valued at hundreds of thousands of dollars. So if 566 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: he will lie to a good friend over money, you 567 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: don't think he would lie to save his own skin. 568 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: So just to poke another stick in the wheel, just 569 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: to muddy the water a little bit more, just to 570 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: get ten more minutes delay. Brian Walsh is appealing a 571 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: federal sentence regarding the art fraud. As his state murder 572 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:41,239 Speaker 1: case inches forward and Eye Maan inches forward, all of 573 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: this is swirling while the convicted con artist accused of 574 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: killing his wife is publicly exoriated for a string of 575 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: deception that has gone on for years. His stalling tactics 576 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: and deception in that federal art fraud case cost him 577 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 1: more than a thirty seven month prison sentence. His entire 578 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: lavish and extravagant lifestyle goes up in flames. As a 579 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: matter of fact, Walsh to pled guilty. Now remember he 580 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: pled guilty, so once he got to appeal, it was 581 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: his decision to plead guilty to selling fake Andy Warhol paintings, 582 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: and he was literally mom wents away from a sweetheart deal, 583 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: in part because his wife's Anna had written a letter 584 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: of support. That deal would have included no prison time. 585 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: But the proceedings all came to a screeching halt when 586 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: federal investigators discovered two million dollars worth of assets he 587 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: hid to avoid paying by the victims. Yes, he was 588 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: moments away from getting a sweetheart lenient deal, no jail 589 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: time when every came to a stop. Federal investigators uncovered 590 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: two mil. And according to prosecutors, this further illustrates the 591 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: brazenness of his crimes as he attempts to mislead the 592 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: very body about to pronounce judgment on him. In other words, 593 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: he tried to fake out the judge that was about 594 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: to sentence him wow. Over the next three years, as 595 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: Brian Walsh and Anna Walsh's assets were being studied, Walsh 596 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: was on house arrest as part of the pre sentenced 597 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: probation period. It was there in their Massachusetts home where 598 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: he decided his wife was cheating on him with a 599 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: man back in dec where her job was. The relationship 600 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 1: was strained and Anna goes missing. I can never forget 601 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 1: those disturbing Google searches, including how long before a body 602 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: starts to smell? How to stop a body from decomposing? 603 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: The pending murder trial date has come and gone. That 604 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: was March the fourth. Does his years long scheme of 605 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: fraud have anything to do with his wife's murder? We 606 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: learned about Google searches. I mean, what an idiot? I 607 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: just can't stress this enough. Take a listen to our 608 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: cut thirty six. This is Lynd Beilan talking. 609 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 12: On January first, Offenitive googled using. 610 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: A son's iPad. 611 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 12: Some of the searches are as follows. Keep in mind 612 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 12: that the Canadian said he left at sixty six am. 613 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 12: At four fifty five am on January first, he searched 614 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 12: how long before a body starts to smell? 615 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 1: How long before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going? 616 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 12: Eight am? How to stop a body from decomposing? At 617 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 12: five twenty am, he searched how to follow the body 618 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 12: At five forty seven am, Ten ways to dislause disclose 619 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 12: of a dead body if you really need to. At 620 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 12: six twenty five am on the first, how long for 621 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 12: someone to be missing? To inherit at six thirty four 622 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 12: am on the first, Can you go away body pots? 623 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: Okay, I think we need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner, 624 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: Terrance County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas Christian University 625 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: Medical School. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. 626 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: Let me just ask you a couple days and I'd 627 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: like to point out also, this is food for thought 628 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: for you. Karen Stark, psychologist on his son's iPad, like 629 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: they don't know how to read the search history and 630 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: there's daddy searching. How long before a body starts to smell? 631 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: How do you stop a body from decomposing? How to 632 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: get rid of a body? Ten ways to dispose of 633 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: a dead body if you really need to. I'm glad 634 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: he added to check that on at the end. How 635 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: long before how long for someone to be missing to inherit? 636 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: That's not for you, Crowns. Can you throw away body parts? Okay? 637 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm starting to agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter 638 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: that you don't really need the dead body to prove 639 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: that someone is dead. Doctor Kendall Crowns, can you give 640 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: me some quick answers to those. This is a lightning 641 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: round for you. How long before a body starts to smell, 642 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: doctor Crowns? 643 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 5: For ten days? 644 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: That just rolled off the tip of your tongue. I'm 645 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: not going to ask why how do you stop a 646 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: body from decomposing? 647 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 13: Refrigeration? I mean, you look at it. That guy they 648 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 13: found in the iceberg hot to see the iceman. He 649 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 13: was missing for a thousand years and he's stuck in 650 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 13: the icebergs. Really, refrigeration at the best way to prevent 651 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 13: a body from decomposing. 652 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: Ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you 653 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: really need to. That's not a medical question. Let me 654 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 1: go to the next medical question. Can you throw away 655 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: body parts? 656 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 13: You have to, you know, if you don't want the 657 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 13: trash man to notice some put them in dumpsters like 658 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 13: which was possibly done in this case, and then dismember 659 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 13: the individual into small enough parts that they aren't recognizable 660 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 13: as human and then mix them in with other trash. 661 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 13: And another good way is to put them in I 662 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 13: think it's like these pool chemicals that can melt the 663 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 13: body parts down into kind of a sluge. 664 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, you're actually man hate scaring 665 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: many people that are listening to you right now, putting 666 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: it in pool. Waite a minute, Karen start, I know 667 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: you've got something dead. Hold on, what did you say 668 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: about pool cleaner, doctor Kendall Crowns. 669 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 13: There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in 670 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 13: pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it 671 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 13: off the top of my head. But it'll actually dissolve 672 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 13: the dismembered body parts down relatively and it'll dissolve the 673 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 13: bone as well, and it'll just kind of make this 674 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 13: kind of ooze. Then you have to dispose of that. 675 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad you're on the right side of the law, 676 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. I really am. But guess what, guys, 677 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: there is more. Take a listen again to land Bailand 678 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: at nine twenty nine am. 679 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 8: What does from aldehyde do at. 680 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 12: Nine thirty four AM. One first, How long does NA last? 681 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 12: At nine fifty nine am. Can identification be made? 682 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 5: On passion remains? 683 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 12: At eleven thirty four am. Dismendment and the best ways 684 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 12: to dispose of a body at eleven forty four How 685 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 12: to clean blood from wooden fluid at eleven fifty six 686 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 12: On the first, Mom and All to detect blood at 687 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 12: one oh eight? What happens when you put body pots 688 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 12: pneumonium at one twenty one pm? Is better the throw 689 00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 12: clime scene close away or wash them those on the 690 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 12: general word? 691 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: Okay, guys, just know that while some of these questions 692 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: are so rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible. And three 693 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 1: little boys are left without their mother while this guy 694 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: is googling what does from aldehyde do? How long does 695 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: DNA last? Can an ID be made on partial remains? Dismemberment? 696 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: Best ways to dispose of a body? What happens when 697 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw away 698 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: crime scene clothes or wash them? So to doctor Kendall 699 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: Crown's lightning round, Doctor Crown's how long does DNA last? 700 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 13: You can find d nams on surfaces for years. 701 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: What does from aldehide do? 702 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 13: From aldehyde is a fixative? Also, that's what you use 703 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 13: to kind of pickle the organs to keep them preserved 704 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 13: for long periods of time. 705 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: What happens when you put body parts anemonia? Doctor Kendall? 706 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 13: That one, I don't know. That's a new one to me. 707 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 13: As far as I know that I stopped. 708 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,320 Speaker 1: You're out, No don't go, I've got more. Oh well, 709 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,399 Speaker 1: one more quickie from Lynn blend to listen one can 710 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:12,919 Speaker 1: ry third. 711 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 12: That same day at one o two pm, you did 712 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 12: some more Google searches. What happens to hear on a 713 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 12: dead body at one thirteen pm? What is the rate 714 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,240 Speaker 12: of decomposition of the body found in a plastic bag 715 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 12: compared to on a service in the woods at one pm? 716 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 12: To baking soda mask or maybe a body smell good? 717 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: Can baking soda make a body? A dead body smell good? 718 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: These Google searches have led to a bombshell development in 719 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: the search for an a Walch Bob. We're joining me, 720 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: Boston twenty five News. An indictment explain. 721 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,240 Speaker 7: He was indicted on three counts. There was murder, misleading investigators, 722 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 7: and improper disposal of a body. 723 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: Of course, he's in a cent until proven guilty. The 724 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: art fraud victims speaking out. According to his guilty plea, 725 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: Walsh defrauded three victims, a California art dealer, a Paris man, 726 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: and a former friend in South Korea during the Andy 727 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 1: warhol scam, and he was about to get away with 728 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 1: selling hundreds of thousands of dollars from two of those 729 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: victims until a US art dealer, Ron Rivlin, filed a 730 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: formal complaint with the FEDS. The French victim said he 731 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,280 Speaker 1: met Walsh in Paris in twenty fifteen, where Walsh convinced 732 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: him to buy seemingly legitimate Warhol paintings for one hundred 733 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,720 Speaker 1: and forty five thousand dollars. Now, the French victim convinced 734 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: his father to loan him the money to buy the paintings. 735 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: He never got the money back, and his sixty three 736 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: year old father had no choice but to put off 737 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: retirement for another ten years since he lost his hard 738 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: earn savings. According to that victim, he and his father 739 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: no longer speak. Wow. It just seems that Brian waltsh 740 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: leaves a wake of devastation behind him. What seems to 741 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: be even more unfair is that when a jury is 742 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: impaneled to hear the murder trial, they won't know anything 743 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: about all of the art fraud victims. But the reason 744 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: I told you about the French art fraud victim is 745 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 1: to show it's not just about them losing money. That 746 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: one victim god his dad to take money out of 747 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 1: retirement funds, and now the dad has had to put 748 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: off retirement and go back to work till at least 749 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 1: his mid seventies. Just as there are devastating consequences in 750 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: the murder of Anna Walsh, her boys will grow up 751 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: without a mother. I just wonder, regardless of what a 752 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: jury may find, if Brian Walsh will be able to 753 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: con his boys into believing Anna Waltz just abandoned them, 754 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: and that will be another travesty of justice connected to 755 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:37,720 Speaker 1: Brian Walsh. We wait as justice unfolds.