Speaker 1: What's that actor my bed? It's spooky. I'm really sure
Speaker 1: it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute.
Speaker 1: I ghosted by Rose Dress. Hey boo, it's me Roz.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Ghosted by Rose Dress Fels. I have got
Speaker 1: a fun one for you today, as always, this time
Speaker 1: with Jack plot Neck, who is an actor that stays working.
Speaker 1: He is always popping up in things. Many people know
Speaker 1: him from the cult classic film Girls Will Be Girls,
Speaker 1: which was drag before Reality TV, and I was so
Speaker 1: obsessed with that movie, which also stars Coco Peru, one
Speaker 1: of our most celebrated guests to ever be on this show.
Speaker 1: If you've never seen that movie, you should really check
Speaker 1: it out because it's the two of them, Barla Jean
Speaker 1: Merman drag icons and it's hilarious and it's just like
Speaker 1: Jack being spectacular. But he also I always think of
Speaker 1: him when I think about this show that was on
Speaker 1: in like the early mid two thousands called Drawn Together.
Speaker 1: It was this animated show that was on Comedy Central,
Speaker 1: and he played this character. The character's name was Xander,
Speaker 1: and he would always say I'm on a never ending
Speaker 1: quest to save my girlfriend. That was Jack Plotnik, because
Speaker 1: he's he's amazing. So he's on the show today. I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about that. You know another show that he
Speaker 1: used to be on, Reno nine one one, which is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite comedies of all time. And I
Speaker 1: actually recently downloaded Paramount Plus because I wanted to see
Speaker 1: the new Reno nine one one movie. And as I'm
Speaker 1: watching the movie, it takes place on a cruise and
Speaker 1: I was like looking around, and I'm like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: that's the Queen Mary, the infamous haunted location the Queen Mary.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you, first of all, I highly endorse
Speaker 1: Reno nine one one always, but if you're looking for
Speaker 1: something fun to watch, and you can also at the
Speaker 1: same time see Inside the Queen Mary, which I don't
Speaker 1: believe is open to the public these days, that's one
Speaker 1: way you could do it, because it certainly features the
Speaker 1: Queen Mary a lot in it. But now that I
Speaker 1: have Paramount Plus, I started poking my head around and
Speaker 1: I found this documentary about the Paranormal Activity movies, the
Speaker 1: Blumhouse blockbuster movies made on a dime. And I'm a
Speaker 1: huge fan of Blumhouse and the Paranormal Activity movies as well.
Speaker 1: And the documentary is called Unknown Dimension colon the story
Speaker 1: of paranormal activity. And the reason I was bringing it
Speaker 1: up is because there's a fun little anecdote concerning Steven
Speaker 1: Spielberg heard of him. So Steven Spielberg. There's a story
Speaker 1: about when DreamWorks was acquiring the movie and Steven Spielberg
Speaker 1: was involved, and he screened the movie at home, and
Speaker 1: he claims that a door in his house locked itself
Speaker 1: from the inside and he had to have a locksmith
Speaker 1: come and and open that door, and he was so
Speaker 1: freaked out by it that he returned the DVD and
Speaker 1: he put it in a trash bag and was like,
Speaker 1: get this out of my house, like it's haunted. I
Speaker 1: thought that was kind of a fun story, because you know,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things is to talk about these
Speaker 1: horror movies and spookiness happening around them, which again brings
Speaker 1: into a question a lot of things. But I do
Speaker 1: think that there's some truth to if you're in a
Speaker 1: state of fear, now, is it your mind playing drigs
Speaker 1: on you? Who knows, But it seems to that fear
Speaker 1: state seems to attract paranormal activity, and so I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why sometimes when people shoot horror movies or
Speaker 1: surrounding horror movies, weird things happen. I'm not sure. I
Speaker 1: am not sure, but I did read an article recently
Speaker 1: and it's the website is sciencefocus dot com. Now again,
Speaker 1: I always like to you to make it clear. I'm
Speaker 1: certainly I believe in science. I absolutely believe in science,
Speaker 1: and I never want to be confused for somebody that doesn't.
Speaker 1: But also, you know, I like to have fun and
Speaker 1: I do think there's things that science cannot explain yet
Speaker 1: preter natural I suppose it's the term for that. But
Speaker 1: this was an article that came out a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks back, the end of December, December seventeenth, and it
Speaker 1: was in relation to the Ghostbusters movie that recently came out,
Speaker 1: and it's a psychologist explains why we believe in the paranormal.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I've read these kinds of articles before,
Speaker 1: and they've been kind of frustrating because because it makes
Speaker 1: me go, oh no, oh, now, like, are we all
Speaker 1: just making this shut up? But I know we're not.
Speaker 1: But I still wanted to see what this had to say.
Speaker 1: And I was actually kind of pleased by some of
Speaker 1: the things in here. So it says. In twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: a you gov poll found that forty five percent of
Speaker 1: Americans believe in ghosts, whereas in twenty sixteen another poll
Speaker 1: showed that British people are more likely to have faith
Speaker 1: in spooky spirits than the existence of God. So Richard
Speaker 1: wise Man, that's his name. He's a professor of the
Speaker 1: Public Understanding of psychology at the University of Hertzfordshire. He
Speaker 1: says that it tends to be driven by two things
Speaker 1: people's believe in this stuff. One is peron experience. Lots
Speaker 1: of people claim to have had paranormal experience after the
Speaker 1: loss of a loved one. The other is popular media,
Speaker 1: maybe like a podcast. I don't know. Most experiences aren't
Speaker 1: that difficult to rationalize away with photographs. For example, there
Speaker 1: used to be double exposures, and not so many today.
Speaker 1: These sorts of ghosts have gone away with the arrival
Speaker 1: of camera phones, which is true, I suppose, But then
Speaker 1: there's also like so much ring camera like ring camera
Speaker 1: ghosts are all the rage these days. He also brings
Speaker 1: up you know, people have imaginations. He says, we want
Speaker 1: to imagine a world that doesn't have pain or suffering,
Speaker 1: where our loved ones are still with us, where pattern
Speaker 1: searching creatures and the price we pay for seeing patterns
Speaker 1: that are there is occasionally going into overdrive and seeing
Speaker 1: patterns that aren't there. Huh. And he links the belief
Speaker 1: in ghosts to create activity, which could you know, kind
Speaker 1: of go along with my whole theory of this podcast.
Speaker 1: Interviewing so many creative people, I've always found that creative
Speaker 1: people tend to believe in this stuff. But my thing
Speaker 1: isn't always that. I think it's because creative people, you know,
Speaker 1: have imaginations and they can create these things in their mind.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily I don't know if I necessarily believe that.
Speaker 1: That's the reason I can. I can understand that maybe
Speaker 1: being a part of it, but I think I just
Speaker 1: always have put that on open mindedness and being open
Speaker 1: to the possibilities of it. Maybe. And then he also
Speaker 1: brings up when you are told ahead of time, like
Speaker 1: a place is haunted, and how sometimes you know that
Speaker 1: makes people start thinking, oh, I experienced something, which I get.
Speaker 1: I get it. I totally get it. But that's why
Speaker 1: I especially love this. That's my favorite kind of story.
Speaker 1: When people go, hey, who was that that man that
Speaker 1: just walked through the hallway and just disappeared. And then
Speaker 1: someone goes, Howard, Oh, that's old Howard. Yeah, he's been
Speaker 1: rooming those holes for years. Like you know, that's the
Speaker 1: kind of story that we love. But I can admit
Speaker 1: that I've been guilty of being at a place that
Speaker 1: I know is haunted, and I'm like, that was something
Speaker 1: so But then there's also this little optimistic bit here
Speaker 1: where he says, if you look at the greatest scientific advantages,
Speaker 1: like putting someone on the moon or coming up with
Speaker 1: a vaccine for COVID within months, to do that, you
Speaker 1: have to believe you can do something that's pretty close
Speaker 1: to impossible. I think that capability to believe in something,
Speaker 1: even though the evidence is minimal, allows us to do
Speaker 1: amazing things. And every once in a while ghosts lead
Speaker 1: us astray, but we can't have one without the It's
Speaker 1: the price we pay for doing amazing things. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's gorgeous. I love that. So you could check out
Speaker 1: that article. I mean I pretty much told you most
Speaker 1: of it, but it's written by Stephen Kelly science focus
Speaker 1: dot com. So let's do some amazing things here today
Speaker 1: on my episode with Jack Platnik and as always, if
Speaker 1: you want to hear a little extra good patreon dot
Speaker 1: com slash whiles Drezfalas link in the description of this episode.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Jack about some unexplainable phenomenal and you
Speaker 1: can also see a video this week of me talking
Speaker 1: about Scream. I just saw the new Scream movie and
Speaker 1: I loved it, so I give a non spoiler and
Speaker 1: spoiler review on my Patreon this week. Anyway, here is
Speaker 1: me talking to Jack Platnick on with the show. I
Speaker 1: am joined by Jack Plotnick. Hello, Jack, how are you?
Speaker 2: WHOA?
Speaker 3: I'm actually really spooped out just doing this. I'm thrilled
Speaker 3: to be here, though, I'm nervous and excited.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited you're doing this, Jack. I've been a
Speaker 1: fan of yours for a very long time.
Speaker 3: And it's very kind of you. I adore you. I've
Speaker 3: known you for quite a while.
Speaker 1: I've been watching, I mean, through the pandemic. Your Instagram
Speaker 1: has really given me life. As the kids say.
Speaker 3: Oh well it was how you know, it was a
Speaker 3: coping mechanism for me, so I guess it gave me
Speaker 3: life too.
Speaker 1: How are you okay? So, for anyone that doesn't know,
Speaker 1: you've got to follow Jack Plotic because you do these
Speaker 1: videos with I mean, I'm assuming a green screen and
Speaker 1: the wig budget is high, and you put yourself in
Speaker 1: h Like my favorite ones are these Disney ones that
Speaker 1: you do, which are from what is that from? From?
Speaker 3: Like Wonderful World of Disney in the City he was,
Speaker 3: I'm only realizing now as an adult. They were basically
Speaker 3: a commercial for Disneyland.
Speaker 1: Park totally, which I love to I love that kind
Speaker 1: of old Disneyland stuff. But and I've seen those TV
Speaker 1: shows before and they're very like staged and it makes
Speaker 1: it feel like, oh, this is what it was like.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure I'm sure everyone of the ard.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be an imagineer when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: so I just literally made myself an imagineer in these
Speaker 3: videos because he goes around introducing them but barely lets
Speaker 3: them talk, and so I just played the imagineers and
Speaker 3: I keep the camera on them, and you kind of
Speaker 3: start to get an idea of what life was like
Speaker 3: for them, I guess. And my second one was all
Speaker 3: about the Haunted Mansions. So for your show, your followers
Speaker 3: might enjoy that. I also people who listen to this
Speaker 3: might be as obsessed with The Shining as I am,
Speaker 3: and I did a video called Deconstructing Bill Watson where
Speaker 3: I play Bill Watson. Who is this weird character that
Speaker 3: is in like a major section of the beginning of
Speaker 3: the movie but has like one line.
Speaker 1: Wait, is this the guy that like he meets with
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, but it's the guy who is also in the
Speaker 3: office who doesn't talk. Anyway, your listeners know what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about too, and you guys, so if you want
Speaker 3: to see what was really going on between Bill Watson
Speaker 3: and his boss, you can watch that video.
Speaker 1: And you will never watch The Shining or any of
Speaker 1: these things the same way. Again, you now, we're here
Speaker 1: to talk about the paranormal.
Speaker 3: And I am so ready for this.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, how do you feel about all this stuff?
Speaker 3: Well, I've I always used to say, with aliens and
Speaker 3: ghost I'm eighty percent a believer, but I think it's
Speaker 3: gone way up, especially aliens, especially aliens. Well, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: just you know what TikTok.
Speaker 1: Has.
Speaker 3: And also just the older I get, the more I
Speaker 3: kind of think that this shit's real. And I've also
Speaker 3: had some interesting experiences and I'm fascinated by it, But
Speaker 3: I also I don't want to see one. And I'm
Speaker 3: always kind of like when I'm in a new place,
Speaker 3: if I feel spooky at all, I kind of will
Speaker 3: just say like hey, mentally I say this, I'm not that,
Speaker 3: but I say, like, don't show yourself GHEs to me
Speaker 3: because I would die.
Speaker 1: So you think that they can like telecommunicat.
Speaker 3: Or whatever telecommunications like with Verizon and AT and T.
Speaker 1: Now or what's the word I'm looking for? They can
Speaker 1: read minds?
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I have no idea. I think
Speaker 3: if they exist, they could certainly kind of read my mind,
Speaker 3: I guess. I mean, look, once you take one step
Speaker 3: down the magical thinking road, it's fun to just keep running.
Speaker 1: Down it totally.
Speaker 3: Why stop with it? You know? But I will say
Speaker 3: my I was terrified of my childhood home. My parents
Speaker 3: had the nerve when I was like fucking seven years
Speaker 3: old to move us into like the oldest home in
Speaker 3: this town. It was literally a log cabin before they
Speaker 3: turn it was turned into an actual home, and my
Speaker 3: parents were kind enough to tell us that the woman
Speaker 3: who lived there before us told them that she would
Speaker 3: speak with Satan in the backyard. In the garden.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a nice thing to tell a family.
Speaker 3: Nice thing to tell a seven year old. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: the boy that was her son. He was obsessed with
Speaker 3: the movie Jaws so much so that if you recall
Speaker 3: the movie poster of Jaws, that kind of shape of
Speaker 3: the Jaws coming out of the water. He would paint
Speaker 3: it all over the basement that shape. And so the basement,
Speaker 3: by the way, I'm told was maybe one of the
Speaker 3: stops on the what was that called the underground railroad.
Speaker 3: It was a very creepy little basement. And and they
Speaker 3: told us that's your playroom now, Oh, fine, it was.
Speaker 3: And they also, because I was the youngest in my family,
Speaker 3: basically just let me watch any movie everyone else was watching,
Speaker 3: like It's Alive, about the Killer Baby or Psycho. And
Speaker 3: I couldn't shower alone from the first year of the house. Now,
Speaker 3: I didn't make them go in the shower with me,
Speaker 3: but I would my mom. I had to be able
Speaker 3: to see her through the frost glass sitting on her bed.
Speaker 1: Oh I couldn't because of Norman Bates.
Speaker 3: I get well that and Satan, Yeah, definitely Norman Bates inspired.
Speaker 3: And then for years I would get home from school
Speaker 3: and I was a last key kid. I was the
Speaker 3: first one to arrive. I would go right, and I
Speaker 3: wonder if more people have this experience. But I'd go
Speaker 3: right for the knife drawer and I would walk through
Speaker 3: my house with the knife.
Speaker 1: I like to do that now.
Speaker 4: Oh oh no, I may or may not sometimes take
Speaker 4: a little sweep around with a knife, just to make
Speaker 4: sure everything's.
Speaker 3: Fine and you're feeling me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And exactly what you mean is this was this an Ohio?
Speaker 1: Is that is Google correct that you grew up in a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm from Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, because Google told me Worthington, Ohio? Is that accurate?
Speaker 3: Now do you know it?
Speaker 1: I don't know it.
Speaker 3: But it's a great city. It's a progressive little haven
Speaker 3: in the middle of the Midwest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to hear that. I did do some
Speaker 1: a little bit of research here and I found I
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if there's haunted places in Worthington, Ohio,
Speaker 1: because you know, there's places everywhere.
Speaker 3: Is said to be the most one of the most
Speaker 3: haunted places in the state. And it's right down the
Speaker 3: street from my house. And a friend of mine told
Speaker 3: me the story. A friend of her stayed there and
Speaker 3: saw just this black blob that just felt like pure
Speaker 3: evil floating above their bed. And it's known for that
Speaker 3: the whole Now it's just been I think it's now
Speaker 3: no longer a hotel. But yeah, that's a pretty scary place.
Speaker 3: I didn't have an experience there, but my brother and
Speaker 3: I had a terrifying experience when I was only about eleven.
Speaker 3: We were babysitting at someone's home and we were watching
Speaker 3: a film and uh in the in the TV room,
Speaker 3: and we started hearing noises in the kitchen, like a
Speaker 3: drawer opening and slamming shut. And we'd go in there
Speaker 3: and there was nothing there, and then we'd go back
Speaker 3: to the room and we'd hear it again, and the
Speaker 3: dog was just in the doorway with us, but but
Speaker 3: scaring at the doorway into the kitchen and just barking.
Speaker 3: Oh no, that was pretty scary.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, do you know what the story was of
Speaker 1: that house?
Speaker 3: No? No, I mean I had killed that family just
Speaker 3: a week prior. That was far too young to gil.
Speaker 3: I could only dream of killing that time. Because now
Speaker 3: I have You know what, you can make your dreams
Speaker 3: come true when you're an adult.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just well, okay. So when I was doing
Speaker 1: my research, luckily a lot of the work has already
Speaker 1: been done by Worthingtonmemory dot Org, and they were telling
Speaker 1: me here. It says most of the city's ghost stories
Speaker 1: originate from buildings right in the middle of town. A
Speaker 1: story in the Worthington Suburbian News that was published in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two tells of the hauntings of the former
Speaker 1: Worthington Inn I told you yes, and the Old Rectory,
Speaker 1: which I hate that word. I'm sorry, I hate the
Speaker 1: word rectory.
Speaker 3: It's a little director.
Speaker 1: It's very close, dangerously close to rectum. But the Old Rectory,
Speaker 1: which is now home to the Worthington Historical Society. According
Speaker 1: to some who have worked or stayed in the former,
Speaker 1: a mischievous ghost, often considered to be a previous owner
Speaker 1: named George Snyder, likes to turn on faucets and slam doors.
Speaker 1: He also leaves behind the scent of sig smoke.
Speaker 3: Those might be just like farts from somebody who smoked
Speaker 3: a lot of cigars.
Speaker 1: I know these ghosts and their cigars and their cigarettes.
Speaker 1: As always, they always leave it behind. But I guess
Speaker 1: that was well.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you get home from a bar
Speaker 3: and you smell it in your clothes for weeks, So
Speaker 3: I guess it's the same when you die on a
Speaker 3: smoke a lot in your clothes and they don't have
Speaker 3: washing machines in the nether realm?
Speaker 1: Right? Or how many times do you think it was
Speaker 1: someone that was sneaking a cigarette and then they're like you, guys,
Speaker 1: I think there's a ghost in here. It smells like
Speaker 1: cigarettes in here. Actually, it turns out worthy toon. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of different sneaky places on here. I was,
Speaker 1: I mean the the Kilborn commercial building.
Speaker 3: I went to Kilbourne School. I did not know that
Speaker 3: that was. I mean, it certainly felt scary going to
Speaker 3: ninth grade there, but I think that was more about puberty.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there's a historical society in town that does
Speaker 1: ghost tours every October if anyone ever happens to be
Speaker 1: in town. It looks like there's a whole list of
Speaker 1: things here. The Saint John's Episcopal Church and Cemetery, which
Speaker 1: the wife of the church first deacon, Philander Chase. That's
Speaker 1: a great name. Mary's uh, the wife of the church's
Speaker 1: first Deacon Philander Chase Mary. Her life was difficult and unhappy.
Speaker 1: She died from tuberculosis soon after moving to Worthington from Connecticut.
Speaker 1: During an expansion of the church. Her remains were removed
Speaker 1: from the burial site and placed under the altar in
Speaker 1: the sanctuary. Now she makes herself known by filling the
Speaker 1: space with unexplained lights and sounds. Some refused to be
Speaker 1: in the church after dark because of the eerie presence.
Speaker 3: Well, what were they doing digging up her bones and
Speaker 3: throwing them under the altar?
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone knows you don't double Yeah, exactly, Come on, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a very great So you never had Satan?
Speaker 3: And the same thing was I moved right right when
Speaker 3: I went to college. I moved into a haunted house,
Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure of it.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, okay, wait before we get out of there. So,
Speaker 1: did you ever encounter Satan in the garden or anything
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: No, but my dad was pretty pretty hard at times,
Speaker 3: so maybe he was inflicted by this, by the spirit
Speaker 3: of the house. He was a very loud, yeller. Okay, No,
Speaker 3: I never I never felt any presence in the house.
Speaker 3: I was just generally scared of it.
Speaker 5: Okay maybe yeah, okay, so this ghost you said in college?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, oh yeah, gat what happened?
Speaker 3: I went to college in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and we moved
Speaker 3: into a very old home that was called the dramat
Speaker 3: Frat because it kept getting passed down from people in
Speaker 3: the theater because I majored in theater. And uh this
Speaker 3: was Carnie Mellen in Picture of Pennsylvania. And I spent
Speaker 3: the summer there by myself before everyone else arrived, and
Speaker 3: I felt it felt creepy and like like I remember
Speaker 3: one time I may or may not have been looking
Speaker 3: at a pornographic image, but my shade is when they
Speaker 3: just opened, you know the old kind of shades you'd
Speaker 3: pull down and would stick. Uh huh yeah, they didn't stick.
Speaker 3: That was pretty scary. But then when everybody joined me,
Speaker 3: a bunch of really weird stuff happened. Let me see.
Speaker 3: My friend was lying on the couch one night and
Speaker 3: I'm in my bed and this is everyone's gone to sleep.
Speaker 3: It's like midnight, and I hear somebody clunk clunk clunking
Speaker 3: up the stairs. Uh, into the house. Because to enter
Speaker 3: the house you had to go upstairs and then you'd
Speaker 3: hit front the door of the entrance, and I remember thinking, like,
Speaker 3: who is coming in this late and why is it?
Speaker 3: But I just fell asleep. I didn't think much of it.
Speaker 3: So later my friend, who was in the living room,
Speaker 3: he says, did here's somebody coming up the stairs us?
Speaker 3: And I said yes, he said I did too, and
Speaker 3: I looked to the front door. And then after you
Speaker 3: opened the front door, you have to open another door
Speaker 3: to liver room. Oh wait, no, after you open the
Speaker 3: front door, that leads right into the living room, he said.
Speaker 3: I waited to see if somebody was going to come
Speaker 3: into the front door. No one did. But then on
Speaker 3: the other side of the living room, the door from
Speaker 3: the living room to the rest of the house. He
Speaker 3: saw it open and no one was there. So that
Speaker 3: was wild. Another time, I was walking home from school
Speaker 3: and I was just sort of singing to myself, just
Speaker 3: very quietly, singing that song from Charlie Brown, Happiness is
Speaker 3: finding a cord or you know that song, huh okay.
Speaker 3: And I get home and there's a whole group of
Speaker 3: people in the living room watching TV. And as I'm
Speaker 3: walking through, just one of the people the room just
Speaker 3: starts singing that song and I freak out. I'm like,
Speaker 3: why did you just sing that song? And they were like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just felt like it was anyway,
Speaker 3: that just seemed really weird. By the way, these are
Speaker 3: gonna build an intensity.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, these are good.
Speaker 3: The next one, we had the laundering room in the
Speaker 3: basement of this house, and there was this bottle of
Speaker 3: beer left open from a party or something, and it
Speaker 3: was just sitting there. No one wanted to throw it away,
Speaker 3: you know how college kids are, And literally like weeks
Speaker 3: and weeks past and we would all just walk by
Speaker 3: this bottle of beer and no one would throw it away,
Speaker 3: And that one day it was just totally right right.
Speaker 3: And then one day I noticed it was gone. I
Speaker 3: was a good somebody somebody bent over and got rid
Speaker 3: of it. And then a few weeks later it was
Speaker 3: right back where it was same. But I mean I
Speaker 3: it was the same amount of beer just sitting there. Again.
Speaker 3: I thought that was so creepy.
Speaker 1: Where do you think it went? Did they just like
Speaker 1: hit it in a closet or something or.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just saying that that that gave
Speaker 3: me the chills. But everybody kind of in the house
Speaker 3: kind of felt a weirdness so much so we did
Speaker 3: a Wiji board one night and we were talking to
Speaker 3: this spirit on the Wigi board and it said that
Speaker 3: it was a relative of someone in the house, and
Speaker 3: then we figured out that it was a relative of mine,
Speaker 3: and then it said it was in heaven looking down
Speaker 3: on me and that its name was David. And I
Speaker 3: didn't know who that was, but I remember thinking maybe
Speaker 3: it was. This is going to sound crazy, but I'm Jewish,
Speaker 3: so I decided, by the way I guess all of
Speaker 3: these stories need to be filtered through. A sophomore in
Speaker 3: college's brain, which isn't quite together yet, decided it was David,
Speaker 3: King of the Jews, and we finished playing with it.
Speaker 3: It was wild because we really felt that thing moving
Speaker 3: on that Wiji board. I went into my room and
Speaker 3: saw something so terrifying I nearly screamed, but I was
Speaker 3: just stood there in fright. And I'm going to tell
Speaker 3: you what that is right now. Earlier that day, I
Speaker 3: was in a I had been in a thirst store
Speaker 3: and I found these three dimensional pictures with lights behind them,
Speaker 3: and I thought that was the coolest thing ever. They
Speaker 3: happened to be lights of Jesus, like one of them
Speaker 3: is like knocking on a door. Do you remember these
Speaker 3: three dimensional pictures with a light and you could like
Speaker 3: if you move. It seems that the pictures three dimensional.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, So I had hung them earlier that day and
Speaker 3: they were a little heavy. So I remember, I like
Speaker 3: really made sure they would stay out because I put nails,
Speaker 3: I put tape. So I go in my room and
Speaker 3: both of the Jesus pictures that I hung on my
Speaker 3: wall were lying on the floor. And then those were
Speaker 3: ripped out of the wall. Whoa wow, So David Kane,
Speaker 3: the Jews didn't like that I was hanging pictures of Jesus.
Speaker 3: Now here, here's the kapper. This is the big ending.
Speaker 3: We had a girl living with us in that house
Speaker 3: who claimed she was a little psychic. But she said
Speaker 3: that she was lying in bed one day and she
Speaker 3: opened her eyes and there was an old man sitting
Speaker 3: on the furnace next her bed in her bedroom, and
Speaker 3: that he was looking at her, and she she was
Speaker 3: wide awake now and he didn't disappear. He was right there.
Speaker 3: He stood up and just walked slowly out the window and.
Speaker 1: Was gone out the window through the window he.
Speaker 3: Just sort of disappeared through the window. So but no,
Speaker 3: everyone who lived in that house was like, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is it was a freaky place to live. Wow, but
Speaker 3: I did I never saw anything, but I heard those footsteps.
Speaker 3: Definitely heard that.
Speaker 1: And well, anyway, so the thing with weija boards is that,
Speaker 1: like sometimes I think people do them in a location
Speaker 1: thinking that they're talking to whoever the ghost is there,
Speaker 1: but like you could be talking to somebody else too.
Speaker 1: You know, you could be talking to like who knows what,
Speaker 1: just some whoever wants whoever's down to talk. So it
Speaker 1: could have been, like, you know, more than one experience
Speaker 1: happening at the same time. Maybe it wasn't the same
Speaker 1: person as that person that was in her room, or
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. There's a lot of possibilities.
Speaker 3: But oh absolutely. And also they don't have to tell
Speaker 3: the truth. So yeah, spirit comes to the board, it's
Speaker 3: just fucking with you. I mean, I have to figure
Speaker 3: once you return to the almighty all knowing, you're you
Speaker 3: kind of know everything and you can just fuck around,
Speaker 3: especially with like some college kids that like leave beer
Speaker 3: bottles around, like let's just have a little fun here.
Speaker 3: But well, I hope it's fun being a ghost, because
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think I want to be one,
Speaker 3: because it seems like maybe you're stuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems sad to me. It seems. I always
Speaker 1: compare it to somebody that's like stuck in a trend
Speaker 1: from like a long time ago that won't move out
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: When it's like still wearing skinny jeans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we all decided we're not doing that anymore,
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, no, it's still cool, and you're like,
Speaker 1: come on, like go to the right right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But the fact that it ripped nails out of
Speaker 1: your wall, that is so scary. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, either that or I was trying to hang very
Speaker 3: heavy pictures on nails that can't hold them. But the
Speaker 3: point is, at that moment, I was sure it was
Speaker 3: King of the Jews angry with me. Point is, I
Speaker 3: bought it.
Speaker 1: So did you hang them back up?
Speaker 3: No? I did not. I know I didn't, and I
Speaker 3: really loved them, but I was like, okay, done with.
Speaker 1: Those because even though maybe those were a haunted object
Speaker 1: from a thrip store, you never know what these thrip stores.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do find that very interesting that because I
Speaker 3: like thrit Star shopping. I like things that have been
Speaker 3: other places use things, articles, lamps, same, you know, but
Speaker 3: that is kind of creepy to think they're usually person
Speaker 3: the energy.
Speaker 1: Like nine times out of ten, I feel that there
Speaker 1: they belong to dead people. I go to a lot
Speaker 1: of estate sales and sometimes, you know, sometimes it's just
Speaker 1: people moved or they're downsizing or whatever. But then other
Speaker 1: times it's like the person just died, and it's like,
Speaker 1: it's kind of eerie. What's also disturbing to see people.
Speaker 3: I like, speaking of someone just just dying. I missed
Speaker 3: out on the greatest opportunity of my life because of
Speaker 3: this exact thing, which but I have to trust I
Speaker 3: was meant not to give this apartment, but I was in.
Speaker 3: I thought I was going to live in Manhattan, and
Speaker 3: I was looking for a place I could afford. And
Speaker 3: the luckiest thing that could ever happen to somebody in
Speaker 3: that situation happened to me, which was I walk up
Speaker 3: to a building and this person's walking in there, like, oh,
Speaker 3: there's an apartment out there that just got freed up.
Speaker 3: You can come in with me to look at it.
Speaker 3: So I go in and literally the person there had
Speaker 3: just left this apartment like that early that the night before,
Speaker 3: because all her stuff was there. And I'm in there,
Speaker 3: going like, how did like just that never happens. Normally
Speaker 3: a person finds an apartment and they end up raising
Speaker 3: the rent by one thousand dollars, right, So anyway, they say,
Speaker 3: I say, what happened to the woman? They go, oh,
Speaker 3: she died last night?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: And they're ready, just like come on in check it out.
Speaker 3: Yes, and the price was crazy good, And I go,
Speaker 3: how did she die? They said, she threw herself out
Speaker 3: that window.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And then I turn around and in the corner of
Speaker 3: this apartment is an altar two cats, not the musical, sorry,
Speaker 3: just kittens, an altar with candles, an entire wall covered
Speaker 3: in little like cutout magazine kit like one hundred and
Speaker 3: two hundred cats.
Speaker 1: Oh, no cat.
Speaker 3: And I backed out of that apartment so fast. Oh
Speaker 3: kicked myself for a decade after. I thought, Jack, that
Speaker 3: was the only way you were going to ever afford
Speaker 3: an apartment in New York is if the person literally
Speaker 3: just died.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but with the ghost of a cat lady as.
Speaker 3: A right, Well, I don't know, maybe maybe if I
Speaker 3: kept the altar up, she would leave me alone.
Speaker 1: It could be you never know any but yeah. I
Speaker 1: went to in Estatesyll a couple weeks ago and the
Speaker 1: friend that I was with opened the refrigerator like a
Speaker 1: nosy person, and it was like all the food is
Speaker 1: still in there, Like it was like all the cupboards
Speaker 1: filled with food, and it was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this person just died.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes I think about that, and I pushed the
Speaker 3: thought away very quickly. But I'll purchase something and I'll go,
Speaker 3: I wonder if I'll live long enough to use this.
Speaker 3: It's just a morbid thought. We all morbid thought. You know,
Speaker 3: when you walk up to a balcon and you go,
Speaker 3: I want to throw myself off. It's just a weird
Speaker 3: morbid thing humans have. Am I the only one?
Speaker 1: No, you're not alone? So what about Have you had
Speaker 1: experiences with psychics or anything like that?
Speaker 3: I paid quite of money to talk to one, and
Speaker 3: then I had mixed feelings. Certainly she got a lot
Speaker 3: right that no one could ever know. Oh, and that
Speaker 3: really gave me chills. My grandma's name is nowhere to
Speaker 3: be found on the internet, and she knew her name.
Speaker 3: She knew that my family loved going the Disney World.
Speaker 3: She knew my dad's girlfriend's things that aren't available anywhere.
Speaker 3: She knew.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think that there's a psychic grandma database,
Speaker 1: because I hear this kind of thing all the time
Speaker 1: from people that are public figures or whatever, that they
Speaker 1: go to a psychic and the psychic knows their grandma
Speaker 1: or their grandpa or whatever, and they say, there's no
Speaker 1: way you could know this is It's nowhere on the internet.
Speaker 1: I feel like they have their own little thing, these
Speaker 1: psychics going on.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Can I tell you my favorite psychic story please?
Speaker 3: A friend of mine named Jessica Bendinger. She wrote the
Speaker 3: movie Oh shit, what's the movie about cheerleaders?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Bring it On?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So before bring was Bring it On, it was just
Speaker 3: a script that she had and then she was working
Speaker 3: on right and the script at the time was called
Speaker 3: cheer Fever instead of Bringing On, So that was the
Speaker 3: working title cheer Fever. And Jessica goes to a psychic
Speaker 3: and to sort of ask him, like, you know, just
Speaker 3: to help point her in the direction she should go.
Speaker 3: And this was one of cheer Fever was one of
Speaker 3: the many projects she was looking at, so Anyway, this psychic.
Speaker 3: The way he works is as he's talking to you,
Speaker 3: he's writing things down on a tablet, And after he
Speaker 3: chats with her for a few minutes, he looks down
Speaker 3: at the tablet where he had written these words, and
Speaker 3: he says, what's cheer virus? And she goes cheer fever.
Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, what is that? She goes to the movie.
Speaker 3: He goes, keep working on that. That's going to be big.
Speaker 1: WHOA interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a pretty cool story. I used to feel
Speaker 3: that I was psychic because when I would go to
Speaker 3: out to a club, and in my thirties, I would
Speaker 3: after i'd have a drink or two. I loved seeing
Speaker 3: if I could guess people, guess things about people, and
Speaker 3: I was often right with me, like guessing their last name,
Speaker 3: guessing I would say, like I'm feeling an airplane. They'd go,
Speaker 3: my dad is a pilot. And my experience of it
Speaker 3: at the time was that it was almost like it
Speaker 3: was as if someone was whispering these things in my ear,
Speaker 3: but I couldn't hear it in the way normal way
Speaker 3: and ear or hears it.
Speaker 1: Really Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, I'm not saying I was psychic, but I
Speaker 3: did constantly sort of surprise myself in how many times
Speaker 3: i'd get things right.
Speaker 1: Do you have that happen when you don't have a
Speaker 1: cocktail or two?
Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't happen anymore, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3: So my thought at the time was that it was
Speaker 3: an and I don't know why. I just believed it
Speaker 3: was an indigenous, a Native American girl whispering in my ear.
Speaker 3: That's that was just this feeling I had. And then
Speaker 3: I turned thirty. Yes, I guess this was like leading
Speaker 3: up to when I was turning thirty, and I just
Speaker 3: sort of my career stalled and I got into a
Speaker 3: bit of a depression. And that was the first time
Speaker 3: I saw a therapist, which I'm so glad. I think
Speaker 3: it's a great thing to see a therapist at each
Speaker 3: time in your life. You know, every ten years you
Speaker 3: sort of go through a change, and it's a good
Speaker 3: thing to have just have someone to bounce things off of.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so I had this depression, lasted a year,
Speaker 3: and the gift went away. If it was a gift,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it was. But I no longer really
Speaker 3: have much. I'm not I don't hear any thing anymore.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And my feeling is that I just became boring to
Speaker 3: whatever that presence was. I was no longer very fun
Speaker 3: to be around for that year and they went away.
Speaker 1: So did you? Were there attempts? Were you like out
Speaker 1: and about and be like, I'm going to guess your
Speaker 1: last name is Johnson?
Speaker 3: Like now it's I probably did, probably did a few times.
Speaker 1: That happened, and I lost it. I do love the
Speaker 1: idea of like the drunk psychic, like that being like
Speaker 1: the Long Island medium or something. We have the drunk I.
Speaker 3: Love the drunk psychic. Oh right, it up, we'll pitch
Speaker 3: it together exactly.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, So it turns out you've got a lot
Speaker 1: of great stories here. What else? What else can we
Speaker 1: get from you? Yeah? Uf story?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw you?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, here we go. All right, give it
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 3: Well, now, mind you. A UFO to me simply means unidentified.
Speaker 3: And I saw something one night in Los Angeles that
Speaker 3: as it was happening, I knew I was seeing something
Speaker 3: that to me was completely unexplainable. And it happened right
Speaker 3: over West Hollywood.
Speaker 1: So I've seen a unexplainable things to be fair.
Speaker 3: Usually floating in the sky, but I hear you. I
Speaker 3: hear you. So anyway, this was I was young, I
Speaker 3: was probably like thirty, and I love wind. I love
Speaker 3: wind windy nights, and you don't often get wind in
Speaker 3: LA and this was a lot of way. It was
Speaker 3: like a crazy windy night. And I went outside and
Speaker 3: stood on the roof of my building just so I
Speaker 3: could enjoy it. And it was clear night, so there
Speaker 3: was just a sky full of stars. It's probably midnight,
Speaker 3: and I see some lights pretty far away and they're
Speaker 3: flying in's it called in tandem. I don't know how
Speaker 3: to put it, but it was like eight lights flying together.
Speaker 3: And the first thing my mind thought was, well, those
Speaker 3: are helicopters, because they were kind of in a circle
Speaker 3: and flying together and very far away and very slowly.
Speaker 3: And then I noticed something that really freaked me out,
Speaker 3: which was, as I said, they were sort of flying
Speaker 3: in a circle together slowly across the sky, very slowly
Speaker 3: across the sky, and the stars in the middle of
Speaker 3: that circle you couldn't see. So in other words, it
Speaker 3: hit me, that's a large shape outlined by lights.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: And so they were kind of the perimeter of.
Speaker 3: Yes, And the thing you have to understand this. So
Speaker 3: my first thought was is it a hot air balloon?
Speaker 3: But this was the windy, this was crazy wind and
Speaker 3: it just kept slowly chugging across the sky, very far away.
Speaker 3: So it's not like a huge shape right above me,
Speaker 3: but far away. And my heart's racing now because it
Speaker 3: was no it was This was a long time ago too,
Speaker 3: and it was no shape of any plane I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: It couldn't have been a plane, and it could have
Speaker 3: been a balloon, and yet it was big. And I
Speaker 3: watched it go across the sky and uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you see it as it like disappeared or
Speaker 1: how did that end?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just kind of got too far away to see.
Speaker 3: I guess I can't remember. I mean when I say slowly,
Speaker 3: maybe it wasn't it that slow. I feel like I
Speaker 3: watched it for about seven minutes.
Speaker 1: Wow, you saw a UFO.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fascinated by them. I have a terrible, terrible fear, though,
Speaker 3: of a giant shape floating in the air above me.
Speaker 3: Even as a child, I had this concept of a
Speaker 3: giant shape above a very small like pin. Anyway, it's
Speaker 3: always been a scary thing and I have just I
Speaker 3: just really don't ever want to see that really.
Speaker 1: See Okay, I've talked about this a thousand times at
Speaker 1: this point on this podcast, But I saw unexplained phenomenal
Speaker 1: up in the sky in uh Sedna a couple months
Speaker 1: ago on purpose, I went on a UFO like tour
Speaker 1: thing and like things, I saw things, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was like just I thought it was like whale watching.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like majestic, gorgeous. Thought it was
Speaker 1: so cool what.
Speaker 3: The thing you saw was majestic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the way that they would fly around it
Speaker 1: was like so different than an airplane or a helicopter
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I got like, I also am
Speaker 1: convinced that they're not bad and that it's all good,
Speaker 1: because I just think that they have so much power,
Speaker 1: like they're above us, Like if they wanted to do
Speaker 1: some bad stuff, they would do it, but they seem
Speaker 1: to be I don't know. I think they come in peace.
Speaker 3: Do you do you believe that they might be picking
Speaker 3: people up and experimenting on them.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's what people say. I mean, who am I
Speaker 1: to say that it's not real? But the woman that
Speaker 1: gave my tour claims to have been abducted many times.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, did she have any marks or anything?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I did not.
Speaker 3: I've heard it sometimes they take a little divot of
Speaker 3: skin out of your back.
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah, I mean I don't really know if I
Speaker 1: want that, but I'm good with my back divots and everything.
Speaker 3: Divot less, I think they call it. So I have
Speaker 3: a friend who's pretty sure he was abducted, and can
Speaker 3: I tell you that story?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 3: Okay? So I asked him, I said, can I tell
Speaker 3: the story if I don't say your name? He said,
Speaker 3: just tell my name. I don't care. So he's one
Speaker 3: of my closest friends. His name is Jim Hansen, and
Speaker 3: he works in Hollywood as a costumer. And anyway, so
Speaker 3: here's the story. Tells that he could tell better, but
Speaker 3: I'm your guest today and he isn't. So anyway, him
Speaker 3: and his friend were driving I think, from Seattle to
Speaker 3: a Los Angeles and it was a high turn and
Speaker 3: they were going up a very big hill, like a mountain,
Speaker 3: and so as he recalls it, he was quite young.
Speaker 3: But at the top of the mountain, they decided to
Speaker 3: put in into the cassette player that tells you how longer.
Speaker 3: This happened a book on tape, and so they stuck
Speaker 3: it in and they start heading now down the mountain
Speaker 3: and it's a pretty long way to go. Now they
Speaker 3: begin driving down the mountain and suddenly they're at the
Speaker 3: bottom of the mountain and the book on tape is done.
Speaker 3: It's you know, it played out and is ejected and
Speaker 3: he turns his friend and he goes, what happened? What happened?
Speaker 3: Because he has no memory of driving down the mountain.
Speaker 3: He just was suddenly on the down at the bottom
Speaker 3: of it. He turns his friend to say what happened,
Speaker 3: And his friend kind of like stirs awake and goes, oh,
Speaker 3: my god, I just had the most terrified nightmare. And
Speaker 3: he's like, huh what. And his friend says, we were
Speaker 3: in the car and I saw like a hand, like
Speaker 3: an alien nish type hand reaching in to unlock the door.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 3: And that's the story, and he swears by it, and
Speaker 3: he never doesn't know anything else. There's nothing else he
Speaker 3: can share about it.
Speaker 1: Whoa an alien unlocking the door?
Speaker 3: Said he saw a hand like going to open the door.
Speaker 1: That is so freaky, because yeah, I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: a lot of people you know, report missing time is
Speaker 1: like probably the most common thing that you hear. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that is so scary.
Speaker 3: And I may, I may. You know, I make comedy
Speaker 3: videos all the time. And my friend Klinton Loup, who
Speaker 3: is Miss Cocoa Peru.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of our favorite guests of the show. She
Speaker 1: she gave us the alien tea.
Speaker 3: Okay, so then therefore she's already told the story about
Speaker 3: how the alien that her sister saw moved its head. Right, wait,
Speaker 3: what was the hep she Well, I don't want to
Speaker 3: tell it because I haven't asked her for her if
Speaker 3: I'm allowed to, But I'll just say her sister's saw
Speaker 3: an alien and it moved its head in a very
Speaker 3: specific way that you'll see if you watch one of
Speaker 3: my comedy videos. Because Miss Coco Peru knows that story
Speaker 3: scares the hell out of me. And I was about
Speaker 3: a two years ago. I made a comedy video about
Speaker 3: a woman who gets subducted by aliens and you can
Speaker 3: see it.
Speaker 1: What is it called.
Speaker 3: It's called Carol, and it's on It's in my comedy
Speaker 3: shorts on my YouTube playlist. And I love this video
Speaker 3: because it's it's kind of the creepiest it's actually kind
Speaker 3: of scary how it came out and was so I
Speaker 3: love that because I love horror films. But anyway, I
Speaker 3: basically play a bunch of aliens as well as the woman,
Speaker 3: and I moved my head exactly how she describes it,
Speaker 3: how Miss Coco describes it in her story, and he
Speaker 3: got a real kick out of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Coco's one of these people that, you know, I
Speaker 1: reach out to people that I like and I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a story, just like I did with you.
Speaker 1: And Coco came with like twenty story, Like so many
Speaker 1: stories of ghosts, I would.
Speaker 3: Aliens go to that episode and listen to me listen
Speaker 3: to her alien story. It is terrifying.
Speaker 1: I think that there's just some people that, you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's some people that ghosts like, and I
Speaker 1: think that there's it seems that aliens sometimes are drawn
Speaker 1: to certain people and and sometimes people talk about like
Speaker 1: their family after generation and generation have had experiences with
Speaker 1: UFO sightings or abductions or whatever. I don't know. Again,
Speaker 1: like you said at the beginning of this conversation, as
Speaker 1: time goes on, it seems like this stuff is I mean,
Speaker 1: it's still obviously so much unknown, but it kind of
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool to talk about it now because
Speaker 1: there's so much evidence and so much validity, you know,
Speaker 1: all of the all of these things that have come
Speaker 1: out just the past, you know, two years or so
Speaker 1: that it feels I don't feel as insane talking about it.
Speaker 3: Well you shouldn't, because yeah, I definitely agree that it's
Speaker 3: been made pretty valid.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, do you want to hear some ghost voices?
Speaker 3: Oh? My god, Okay, what are you talking about? I
Speaker 3: love it and I'm terrified.
Speaker 1: Okay, well it's time for EVP or ev pase. Have
Speaker 1: you ever heard the term EVP?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's about the sounds that you record, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, electronic voice phenomena. So it's you know, whenever a
Speaker 1: person captures what they believe to be a ghost speaking
Speaker 1: on some kind of recording device. And I go to YouTube,
Speaker 1: where there are thousands and thousands of EVPs, though some
Speaker 1: are also in ev police, and I have my guests
Speaker 1: tell me what they hear, and I'll give you some options,
Speaker 1: and the correct answer will be what the person on
Speaker 1: YouTube leaves they heard.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So we don't know if these are real
Speaker 3: or if they were created to get followers. But we
Speaker 3: do know that the ghosts, the person who's sharing them
Speaker 3: believes they've figured out what they're saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest, that's all of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows that, Like you know, who knows.
Speaker 3: Well, I personally love. I am happy to watch a
Speaker 3: fake a really good fake UFO video or really good
Speaker 3: fake ghost Like I don't care if it's fake, but
Speaker 3: because because it's really exciting when people can do a
Speaker 3: good job of convincing you. But then the ones where
Speaker 3: they where they say like this is actually absolutely true
Speaker 3: that that does that is a little more exciting.
Speaker 1: I definitely, Well, here's.
Speaker 3: Kind of decide these are all actually real.
Speaker 1: Something about this world of EVPs on YouTube that I've
Speaker 1: gotten into. These are not videos that are viral, Like
Speaker 1: I really dig deep in there and I find stuff
Speaker 1: that was posted ten years ago and it has fifteen
Speaker 1: views on it, Like it's These are just videos that
Speaker 1: people just here's my findings, And I don't know a
Speaker 1: lot of times I think they seem to be legit.
Speaker 1: I don't know either way. It's fun.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, especially things like this because it's not someone
Speaker 3: trying to have a paranormal channel, right, you know, and
Speaker 3: is saying yeah, every night I hear some it's like,
Speaker 3: come on, man, it's much more believable, like when it's
Speaker 3: somebody saying, look, this happened to me and I had
Speaker 3: to share it.
Speaker 1: Well, well a lot of times. But also it's like
Speaker 1: paranormal teams and stuff that are sharing their findings. For example,
Speaker 1: this first one is from a channel called Sam's Paranormal,
Speaker 1: that's what it's called. And this is at the Ohio
Speaker 1: State Reformatory. Do you know about that place?
Speaker 3: No, but the reformatories were like, you punish children, and
Speaker 3: we all know that back to the day when things
Speaker 3: weren't there, weren't cameras and stuff that kids would quote
Speaker 3: unquote pair like die from. Anyway, they were pretty horrible places.
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Well, this is an old prison and it's in Mansfield, Ohio,
Speaker 1: and it is actually it's a it's a famous haunted
Speaker 1: place that's been on a lot of these paranormal shows,
Speaker 1: and it is where they did.
Speaker 3: Should record the sounds with a regular recording device or
Speaker 3: these recorded with some kind of like measuring energy, like
Speaker 3: how does it work.
Speaker 1: Usually it's either someone's video some type of video camera,
Speaker 1: or some type of audio recording. Just it's yeah, just
Speaker 1: pretty basic stuff. But this place right here, this is
Speaker 1: where they shot Shawshank Redemption It. It was in business
Speaker 1: until nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3: Did any crew members of that movie say that they've
Speaker 3: had eerie feelings?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure there has to be. We gotta get
Speaker 1: somebody on. Okay, So here it is. Here's this first one.
Speaker 1: It's kind of whispery. What do you hear? Okay, it's
Speaker 1: pretty quick. It's just it's a voice going like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me play it again.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm hearing Oh call o cow.
Speaker 1: Okell okell stop it.
Speaker 3: So I have to figure that it's talking to someone
Speaker 3: named Kelly, and but it's using her cute nickname.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, kel, you're crazy. Wait, let me play
Speaker 1: it again. Okay, okay, I totally pick.
Speaker 3: Up that time I heard.
Speaker 1: Oh hell, oh okay, that's scary. Well, here's some options.
Speaker 1: Is it A, don't go there? Is it B I
Speaker 1: don't care? Is it C Are you scared? Or D
Speaker 1: I'm a Karen? Oh remember the term Karen. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's kind of gone out. Maybe it was a
Speaker 1: ghost from twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, why would it.
Speaker 3: Why would Karen die?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: These are the options. He's Jack.
Speaker 3: Say option two again to me, Dear, I don't care, okay,
Speaker 3: now let me hear it. Gay, Well, I mean, if
Speaker 3: I had to choose, I would choose. I don't care.
Speaker 3: I hope it's I'm a Karen though, because I don't mind.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind it.
Speaker 1: I'm a ghost and I'm a Karen and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: speak to the manager of this paranormal team. Uh it is, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Now. Here's the funny thing about this.
Speaker 1: What they said in the little description of the video
Speaker 1: is that it says we were discussing using phones and
Speaker 1: tablets while using the bathroom, and the ghost said, I
Speaker 1: don't care. Okay, let me play it again. Now let
Speaker 1: me know that I hear it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean. The thing is he can see
Speaker 3: you piss and poop anyway, What does he care whether
Speaker 3: you're you know, he's already forced to see all of it.
Speaker 1: It's like, I want do whatever you want. Okay. Here's
Speaker 1: one more. This one is from Rags Design, rygg Apostrophe
Speaker 1: as design and on YouTube, and it is from Southeastern
Speaker 1: Idaho Paranormal society, and it does not say the location.
Speaker 1: But this one is also kind of a whisper voice.
Speaker 1: What is it saying?
Speaker 3: We heard again?
Speaker 1: This one I think is harder, but it's a little
Speaker 1: bit longer. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I'm hearing you're a dear heart, You're
Speaker 3: it goes, You're dear. That's what I'm hearing here.
Speaker 1: I get what you're picking up on. Here. Here's some options.
Speaker 1: Is it a don't you tease me? Is it be
Speaker 1: I'm a sweetie? Is it C you don't see me?
Speaker 1: Or d too sexy? I do think these whisper goes.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but sometimes it gets late at night and
Speaker 1: I'm listening to this and I'm like, oh, whispering in
Speaker 1: my ear.
Speaker 3: The little as mr.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of sexy. Okay, so what is it saying?
Speaker 1: One of those options? Here we go.
Speaker 3: Well, It's the thing is, I can't remember the options,
Speaker 3: but I heard. I'm I'm scary.
Speaker 1: They believe it's a don't you tease me?
Speaker 3: Oh, well, let's hear it again. Well, I have to
Speaker 3: disagree with you. That is not what I'm hearing. But nonetheless,
Speaker 3: that's really creepy.
Speaker 1: To be fair, it is hard to do this over zoom,
Speaker 1: and it sounds best with like earphones and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But I kind of hear it. I kind of hear it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were teasing the ghost about,
Speaker 1: but the ghost was not having the teasing.
Speaker 3: Uh. Yeah, there's a cool TikTok series where a woman
Speaker 3: has a guy uh asked the ghost questions and what
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: She wears a sound device? Oh right, ship, I'll forget it.
Speaker 3: The point is there's so many good, good supernatural people
Speaker 3: to follow on TikTok. Sorry, really continue ignore me.
Speaker 1: I guess that's it. I guess.
Speaker 3: So this has been so spooky and wonderful.
Speaker 1: You really brought it with these stories. Thank you, Jack, Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you youn Tell people you know where to find
Speaker 1: you find your videos and everything else going on.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, I'd be honored. Well, my YouTube channel has
Speaker 3: a playlist called Jack's Comedy Shorts, and you know, check
Speaker 3: them out. They will make you laugh larf. My name
Speaker 3: is Jack Plotnix, So if you just type that into YouTube,
Speaker 3: everything will come up. There's not that many plotinicks. That's
Speaker 3: p plot ni c K. And you can also find
Speaker 3: me on Instagram at at Jack Plotnik. And lastly, your
Speaker 3: listeners may enjoy sci fi. I made a dark sci
Speaker 3: fi comedy movie called Space Station seventy six a few
Speaker 3: years ago that you can watch on any of the
Speaker 3: streaming outlets. It stars Patrick Wilson and Liv Tyler and
Speaker 3: Matt Boehmer and Jerry O'Connell. It takes place in the
Speaker 3: future as we had imagined it in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 3: And your friend and my friend Sam Pig he can
Speaker 3: help me write it, and he's in it, and I'm
Speaker 3: very proud of it. So if you're I think it's
Speaker 3: showing on Stars for free as well.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, it is such a cool movie.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you, thank.
Speaker 1: You, thank you, Jack Plotnik. And of course, if you
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