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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. This episode number Tan's show, we're

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Speaker 1: joined by Eric Piesar, and electrician and avid deer hunter

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Speaker 1: from New York who's taking the idea of a rut

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Speaker 1: cation to a whole new level. And in this episode

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Speaker 1: we learned how Eric consistently pulls off multiple Pope and

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Speaker 1: young bow kills on his annual d I Y rout

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Speaker 1: hunting trips. All right, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Sitka Gear. And today we'll without

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Speaker 1: my co host Dan again as he's unfortunately under the weather,

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Speaker 1: but here's hoping to a speed recovery. I'm not alone though.

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Speaker 1: Joining me here shortly is a man by the name

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Speaker 1: of Eric Pisar, and I discovered Eric last year actually

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Speaker 1: while working on an article for Outdoor Life that I

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Speaker 1: was calling crazy for the rut And the basis of

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Speaker 1: that story was that I was going to find in

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Speaker 1: profile a number of different d I Y hunters who

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Speaker 1: go above and beyond what normal people do during the rut.

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Speaker 1: You know, these are guys I was hoping to find

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Speaker 1: guys that we're just super, super hardcore about hunting the

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Speaker 1: rut and they have extreme levels of success doing it

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Speaker 1: in their own unique way. So as I started combing

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Speaker 1: my personal network and the interweb and all that kind

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Speaker 1: of good stuff, I came across this electrician from New

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Speaker 1: York named Eric, and word had it that Eric was

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Speaker 1: taking these kind of crazy extended trips out to the

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Speaker 1: then like a bunch of great bucks every year. So

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Speaker 1: to him, and lo and behold, it was all true.

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Speaker 1: And this guy was heading out to states like South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois,

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Speaker 1: and some others, and he was coming home with two

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Speaker 1: or three or four different bucks per trip, and these

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Speaker 1: were big mature bucks too, And he was doing all

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Speaker 1: this without owning any land out there, without using outfitter,

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Speaker 1: without having the least. He was just going to public

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Speaker 1: And you know, the more I heard, the more impressed

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Speaker 1: I was. And eric story ended up making it into

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Speaker 1: that article in Outdoor Life and ever since those initial conversations,

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Speaker 1: I've wanted to get him on the podcast to dive

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Speaker 1: more deeply into that stuff and to share what he's

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Speaker 1: doing with all of you. So finally today I'm able

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Speaker 1: to do that, and I'm pretty pumped about it. And

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Speaker 1: I think Eric is is just a perfect example of

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Speaker 1: and like like me, who's just tore up with white tails,

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Speaker 1: and who has decided to work hard all year round

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Speaker 1: be able to chase that white tailed passion that he

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Speaker 1: has during the fall. And I think what he has

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Speaker 1: you guys and girls out there who might want to

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Speaker 1: try something similar in the future. So, no matter what

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Speaker 1: I think, if you hunt managed ground or public land,

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Speaker 1: think You're all going to be able to learn something

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Speaker 1: today from Eric's matter of fact, no bullshit approach to

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Speaker 1: hunting mature bucks. So with all that said, I want

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Speaker 1: to kick things off briefly here with our sickest story,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get Eric on the line. So our

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Speaker 1: sick oft Story today comes from a guy named Mike

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Speaker 1: Massey who grew up hunting and chasing white tails in Florida,

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Speaker 1: which I think, as many of you know, is not

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Speaker 1: exactly a big white tailed mecca. But when Mike finally

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Speaker 1: And I'm saying, you know, that's you don't read that stuff.

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Speaker 1: and Tom Random, Steve Potts on on the stampots. They're

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Speaker 1: not They're not start wheezing in September. Well, well I

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Speaker 1: So the real deal, that's awesome, the real deal. Mike

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Speaker 1: Massey is a Sick White Tail ambassador And this was

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Speaker 1: the Sickest story. And if you'd like to somebody make

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Speaker 1: a Sikest story of your own, visit siker gear dot com.

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Speaker 1: And now let's get back to the show and get

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Speaker 1: Eric Pisar on the line. All right with us. Now

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Speaker 1: on the line is Eric Pisar. How are you doing? Eric? Good?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? Mark? Um? Well, Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: like we were, like we were just talking about a

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Speaker 1: I worked on this article about you that for a

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Speaker 1: really glad we can do this. So thank you for

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Speaker 1: taking the time to do this. Eric, Yeah, no problem. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I like talking about deer hunting, so it should be fun.

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious Eric. You know when we talked last time, UM,

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Speaker 1: How did you get so into hunting? When did that

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Speaker 1: Um and for my what I know, you're you're hunting

429
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: every one of those days, right, I mean, tell me

430
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: about what that's just like as an experience? Is that exhausting?

431
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: Is that just? Is it fun the whole time? Is

432
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: it tough? Is it? I don't know how what's that

433
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: like for? It's fun the whole time, and it's it's

434
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: the way it works. It's just it won't work. And

435
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: if I did a one week vacation, it's just won't

436
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: work the same. It's just you have to be there too. Well.

437
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm a raw hunter. I love the raw. I think

438
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: that's just the best time to cash in and so

439
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: you're going to see the most activity. Um. So for

440
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: those three weeks, it's it's really awesome. What happens is

441
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: I get there, and of course I don't. I can't

442
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: scout prior to getting there. I can't take a point

443
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: one hour drive just to scout somewhere in the summer.

444
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: I want to take the time off or whatever. So

445
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: when I get there, that's the first thing I have

446
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: to do. Is I have to scout check it out. Um.

447
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: The good thing is if I've been going to the

448
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: same place as some times, I mix it up, but

449
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: I go to the same place as also, and you

450
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: know that's really what you gotta do is just build

451
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: build up. You know, just go there once so there's

452
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: twice you're gonna be twice as good and you the

453
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: third time you're gonna really know what's going on once.

454
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: It is tough, but you could do it. You could

455
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: really just do it. Fine. You just gotta sacrifice the

456
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: first a little bit. You might have to drive around

457
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: a little bit, you might have to you know, exploire,

458
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: you might have to you know, you should have a

459
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: list prepared to all the places you want to go,

460
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: so you could just boom, boom boom, hit them all,

461
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: get as many injusy time. And really that's not the

462
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: greatest hunting time in the last week of October, so

463
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: it's a good time to kind of just check things out.

464
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: But by the second, you know, by the first week

465
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: in November for Halloween even you kind of want to

466
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: have a couple of spots ready for sure, because that's

467
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: when things are going to start eating up. And that's

468
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: certainly they're going to start to move. So I like

469
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: to have a few places ready where I know I

470
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: can go, and then you know, haunt as much as

471
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: you can, and if if it's not productive hunting and

472
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: you feel, you know, you're not really doing anything, then

473
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: go look for another place and keep keep kind of

474
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: doing that as much as you can, you know. Um.

475
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: And the key of the whole thing is that, uh,

476
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: and I've seen it happen to people before. They're going

477
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: hunt for a week and you get six straight days

478
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: of south wind and the deer just don't move. They

479
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: just it's too hot for him to move, so they can't.

480
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, poof, it gets cold

481
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: and then boom, he starts. You know, it's just like

482
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: a light switch. So somewhere I would say in that

483
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: somewhere in that three week period, you're gonna get three

484
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: or four killer days. That's just unbelievable. But you can't

485
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: predict what those days are going to be, really, um,

486
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: you just have to be there. So that's how And

487
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: in a lot of these trips, I'll go for three

488
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: weeks and I've killed three bucks and like three back

489
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: to back days because obviously all of a sudden it's

490
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: nothing and then boom you get on and then you

491
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: move to the next you know, next state or the

492
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: next tag and boom, get another one. You know. Really,

493
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: and that happens quite a bit, quite a bit. What

494
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: are those conditions that typically spark it for you out there?

495
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: It's just cold cold, anything that gets cold. Um, that's

496
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: those are the best for me and really a lot

497
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: of people. Well talking about the moon. Ah, you know,

498
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: the moon doesn't really affect me at all because I'm

499
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: there at hunt those you know, whether it's three weeks

500
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, I'm gonna on every day anyway,

501
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: So the moon doesn't really it doesn't really play into

502
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: it for me. Um. But the weather does. And it's

503
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: just about always some kind of cold leather. That's that's

504
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: starting things up. Yeah. Um. You mentioned you mentioned early

505
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: on that when you start these trips that you sometimes,

506
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: especially if it's a new property, your sacrifice in the

507
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: first day or maybe two to scout um. And you

508
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: mentioned maybe even still trying to get permission in place.

509
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: But let's say you've got you've got permission in place,

510
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: or you've picked out a piece of public land. Um,

511
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: what does that for stay, Like, what specifically are you doing?

512
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: How are you scouting? What are you looking for? Like,

513
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: I mean give us that. I'm curious about the details.

514
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: What exactly How far do you go into these places?

515
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: You know? How do you learn about quickly? Um? It

516
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: depends how big it is. Um. Some places you just

517
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: can't cover them in a day. Other places are you

518
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: can walk the whole thing and half a day. So

519
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: what I like to do, UM, what I really like

520
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: if I know the area and I've been there before,

521
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier. But I do like to just

522
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: take one walk through. I think regular, I think the

523
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: deer are going to be and just you know, a

524
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: lot of times in the Midwest there's woods and then

525
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: there's fields, you know. So I'll walk the woods or

526
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: or the edge of the woods in the field or something,

527
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: and I just want to walk at once. Meanwhile, mentally

528
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: value rating everything I see and thinking about possible places.

529
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: And usually if I'm like, I don't you know, it

530
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: looks good, but you know, maybe not. You know, I

531
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: just keep going and I try to get at least

532
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: one place from like, oh man, you just look at

533
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: it and you're like, I know, I could kill a

534
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: buck here, I know it, and so hopefully, you know,

535
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: depending on what the access is, hopefully you can just

536
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: maybe walk through once and then access you know, through

537
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 1: a field right to the point you want to be

538
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: in the woods, so you're not walking back and forth

539
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: all the time. But one walks through during a rout haunt. Man,

540
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't mess mess up the deer too bad.

541
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm still able to get them. Yeah, you know, what,

542
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: what do these but what do these killer spots look like?

543
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: You mentioned you find these spots where you're just like, oh,

544
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: I can kill one here. What kind of things are

545
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: you looking forward? I'll tell you that I like rivers.

546
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: Rivers are always in the Midwest. People want to farm,

547
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: you know, it's mostly farmers, and farmers want fields. They

548
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: don't really want woods. But wherever there's water, rivers, even

549
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: small ones, they have to leave some trees, like a

550
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: small creek and a ravine, you know, they have to

551
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: leave some trees for erosion. So it just seems like

552
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: any kind of river in the bit. Like big rivers

553
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: they're awesome too. The bigger the river that like, the

554
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: more trees are on the sides of them, and uh,

555
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's where the deer are going to be.

556
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: And you know the rivers, you know, they collected all

557
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: the best, the best soil. It's washed off all the land.

558
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: So there's just good minerals, good cover usually a good,

559
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: good place to be. But there's you know, lots of

560
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: other things to look for too. But so I'll get

561
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: in a spot maybe with the river, and just walk

562
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: it until you know, by the time I'm not walking around,

563
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be seen scrapes and rubs, you know, maybe

564
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: get torn up, or you know, bucks of thought, or

565
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 1: just tones and tones of tracks, you know, just any

566
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: kind of heavy more than normal science is just kind

567
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: of what I'm looking for. All the typical stuff, robbed scrapes,

568
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, anything that's just gonna kind of tell you

569
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: that there are using it, and they're using it a lot.

570
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: You know. It just seems like every place I get too,

571
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: they'll be one spot where you just I can't explain it.

572
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: I'll just look around and just you just look at

573
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: the train and you look at the sign, and you

574
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: just kind of know that sooner or later there's going

575
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: to be a box cruising throth. Yeah, so that running sign,

576
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: the scrapes, rubs, that kind of stuff. It sounds like

577
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: that you're just looking at that as a general sign

578
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: up there being a lot of deer activity. Or are

579
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: you actually saying, Okay, there's a rub line here, so

580
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: I want to set up along a rub line, or

581
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: because I see this scrape here, I'm gonna hunt this

582
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: specific spot. I mean, how do you factor that specific

583
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: sign into how you're going to hunt? Well, a lot

584
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: of it you just gotta trying to know, you know,

585
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: everything that you've built your whole life figuring out about deer.

586
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: You just have to kind of apply that and you

587
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: have to say, well, you know, dear most app to

588
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, come through this our glass pinch point rather

589
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: than expose himself in a prairie, or you know, eventually,

590
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, too many things cross in one spot. You know,

591
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: you just you just kind of get a feeling, you know,

592
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: and after years and years of years of hunt and

593
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: you kind of you kind of can figure that out.

594
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: I don't. It just seems to become natural to me.

595
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: Maybe uh, but it's just somewhere you just I don't like,

596
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: maybe someone else would walk right through where I thought

597
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: was phenomenal and now I want to hunt there. I've

598
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: had to go both ways, and some of my friends

599
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: are awesome horns, and sometimes they pick a spot and

600
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, why are they doing that? They must have

601
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: just had that that good feeling or something. But um, yeah,

602
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's just instinct and feeling and curious,

603
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: do you if you were to think back on some

604
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: of your past seasons, is there any particular place you

605
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: can specifically remember that you ended up, you know, having

606
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: this feeling and it ended up being a spot you

607
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: killed a deer. Do you remember a specific place of

608
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: that you could describe just so we can, you know,

609
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: so we can kind of see this particular instance that

610
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: did pan out and we can kind of better understand

611
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: why why you were successful there. Yeah, let's see. There

612
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: was there was a really good spot on public land

613
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: in South Dakota and just it was pretty darn hard

614
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: to get to it. You had to go through down

615
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: the ravine into some sick feeders and you'd be poking

616
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: your eyes out and it was just the nastiest thing.

617
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: And I actually I went to that public land three

618
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: times before I figured out how to even get into it.

619
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: And then once I figured out how to get in. Um,

620
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: I just down in and got past the nastiest stuff

621
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: you can imagine, and then it just opened up into

622
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: this oasis and it was just that was out of

623
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: the cedars, and then all of a sudden it was

624
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: like a dry creek bed and it was just right

625
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: up the side of the public land and it just

626
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: created the perfect little valley funnel. It just was like awesome.

627
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: And then you know, you could just see when the

628
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: deer were coming off the hill. There's a couple of trails,

629
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: but they all kind of crossed up in this spot

630
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: and you could see a distinct straight line and you

631
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: just this new deer were traveling it. I went a

632
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: little further up, and uh, sometimes I don't like to

633
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: do that. You know, once I find a good spot,

634
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: I could just stop right there and hunt. But you know,

635
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: sometimes your curiosity gets you in the first time. But

636
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: this time was my first time in there, and I

637
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: went a little further up. I found the ground just shredded,

638
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: shredded right up, and I looked there was a kind

639
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: laying on the ground, busted right off. You know, you

640
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: find people see deer with bust tracks all the time.

641
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: This they found one more time busts off. Wow, pretty

642
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: good sized time. Like whatever there was fighting was big probably,

643
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: and it just had just had all the like signs

644
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: of big deer, lots of activity, you know, you could tell,

645
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: you know, one deer doesn't make one rub and one

646
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: deer doesn't make one scrape a lot if they're good,

647
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: there's a good spot, multiple tier always hit the same rubs,

648
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: hit the same scrapes. It's not one dear scrape. Sometimes

649
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: it is one deers rub a lot of times. It's

650
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: if it's a good spot, many many bucks will come

651
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: scrape on the same scrapes, rubbed on the same rubbed

652
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: already trees, you know. So that that one spot I found,

653
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: I just knew it was gonna be awesome. And I

654
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: went there and actually I killed. It was a public

655
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: land spot and I killed. I had a standoff with

656
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: the deer I wound up killing it. It just was

657
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: one of them things where and it was just at

658
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: the very beginning of the day, and that deer, it

659
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: was a nice deer, and I was like, oh, maybe not,

660
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't have shot that deer. So I was

661
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: hunting with a friend of mine and I said, you

662
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: gotta go back down in that spot where I just

663
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: killed a deer there, but I just knew there was

664
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: something way bigger and better in there. Anyway, he went

665
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: into the next day he was killed the monster flammer,

666
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: a wide buck. So so I got to like the

667
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: booby rise that day, but my friend got got a

668
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: real nice giant How did you sorry, go ahead, No,

669
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that, there's there's lots of

670
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: lots of spots like that. I just I have good

671
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: feelings on and they wind up being good. So I

672
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: was curious, how did you end up setting up in there? Um? Like,

673
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: what what specific spot did you end up hanging to stand?

674
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: Was it right over where you saw that sign from

675
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: the fight or was it back farther where you originally

676
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: saw the good sign? And what things were you thinking

677
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: about when sending up your hunt your tree stand to

678
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: hunt it the next day or was it that day

679
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: you end up punting? Um? It was you know, I

680
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: found the spot and you know, started haunting it right away.

681
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: But it was one of those places where the woods

682
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: was just a finger and one side of it was

683
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: a river, on one side of it was a big

684
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: giant prairie, actually private land. The prairie and it was

685
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 1: just the only you know, it was the only good

686
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: strip of trees. And then out of that, you know,

687
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: the trees were a good spot, but out of that

688
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: there was a big steep bluff and plate, you know,

689
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: just kind of an area that didn't seem the best

690
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: for travel. But then there was an area that was

691
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: that dry flat riverbed that just had green grass growing

692
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: in it. And you could just tell that every deer

693
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: came off the hill, maybe not off on the same trail,

694
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: but everyone passed down that alley, hit the scrapes that

695
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: were down through it. Kind of it just pinned straight

696
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: off almost got it was so smart. There was almost

697
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: nothing and that opened up into that seedar thing that

698
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: I had crawling to get there. So it was just

699
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: a natural pinched down area and I just went to

700
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: the pretty much the last scrape before the thing kind

701
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: of petered out and just hung it right on the end.

702
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: It was. It was really easy, um, and that was

703
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: another place that I could get through by a boat.

704
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: I later figured out. Sometimes it takes a while to

705
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: figured it all out. That was an example where I

706
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: walked in and then found a better way to boat in.

707
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: Later I want to. I'm curious about your stand situation

708
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: when you when you're going in there, you know, early

709
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: in the hunt and you're doing your walking scouting. Do

710
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: you end up hanging a bunch of different tree stands

711
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: over the course of those first couple of days and

712
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: then hunt them over the next week or two or whatever.

713
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: Or do you just have one set that you're you know,

714
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: hunting mobile with, Like you've got a tree stand sticks

715
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: in your back, and then you find sign, you hunt

716
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: right then and then you tear down and move on

717
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: to the next place. What are you doing there? Um?

718
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: I have the biggest shouldn't have junk stand? You everyone

719
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: to say I got fine and sticks? I haven't, you know,

720
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: stands with all different types. I have just so much

721
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: stuff I accumulate over the years. But you know, it's

722
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: just I guess it kind of depends some places. I

723
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: don't mind. Like you know, some guys don't, like, you know,

724
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: on on the stand more than once. You know, some

725
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: guys just want to be completely mobile. And but I

726
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: don't think it's really necessary with rock hunting that much

727
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: as much so I do have. I do have sets

728
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: that I put in and over the course of three weeks.

729
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: I might unt it once twice, may never haunt it.

730
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: And but I put I put a few out, um,

731
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: and then I always have a bunch of mobile stuff,

732
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, I have you know, have a light sticks. Um.

733
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: I do really like a comfortable stand though. Um the

734
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: stand is uncomfortable. You just can't stay there all day,

735
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, And I like to stay there if I

736
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: have to all day. Um, but yeah, comfortble I like

737
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: to be comfortable. Otherwise you fake it too much, you

738
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: know why in this day and age, why be uncomfortable?

739
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: And there's so many choices fair enough to your point,

740
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, especially in a situation like yours or anyone

741
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: really when you're going on a trip, maybe cross country,

742
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: and you're going on that trip to hunt, I mean,

743
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: you want to maximize your time as much as possible.

744
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: And during the rut that all day said can be important,

745
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: So you might as well do what ever you can

746
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: to make sure it's possible, which to your point is

747
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: is making it more comfortable. Yeah, I mean I want

748
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: to do everything that's possible. Um, So I bring food, water,

749
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: nice stand, hopefully a nice stand. If it's a nice

750
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: enough spot, I can sit in a pretty harsh stand

751
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: too if it's done that, I've done that, hey, you know.

752
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: And sometimes I go in and I plan on, you know,

753
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: maybe doing a mooring hunt, scouting my way out and

754
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: doing something. But then a lot of times during the

755
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: day I change and I'm not afraid to just stay home.

756
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: Like I might go in thinking I'm gonna sit for

757
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: two hours and sit all day. If I think it's

758
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: that kind of day, I'll change my plan, you know,

759
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: And just mostly I change it and stay. Very seldom

760
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: do I think of sitting all day and then want

761
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: to leave early. That doesn't happen too many times. But

762
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: so what is it then that makes you decide you

763
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: have to stay? Is that just you've just seen so

764
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: much dear activity that you gotta stay there, or is

765
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: it some other kind of thing? Now, it's usually that

766
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, you see the deer, they're on their feet,

767
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: they're moving. Maybe you just saw a crazy chase and

768
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: you know that the bucks are still going to make

769
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: another loop around, or just you start to see a

770
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: deer every hour, and or it comes time when you

771
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: think you're gonna leave and you're surrounded by deer, or

772
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: just anything that usually involves seeing more deer than what

773
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: you're expected to see, or better activity or a big

774
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: giant buck chase, or you know something, there's nothing. I'm

775
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: never usually sitting there. Oh I didn't see anything. Well,

776
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: maybe i'll wait long, or it usually doesn't happen like that,

777
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: but or it could be the wind. Maybe I'm just

778
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: maybe my second choice. I know the wind is bad,

779
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: but the wind is good in my first choice. So

780
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: I just said, well, you know, I better stay here

781
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: because it's not gonna be happening in that other place

782
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: I want to go because the wings dead wrong. So now,

783
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: why did you say that the opposite doesn't happen? So

784
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: you said you usually won't go to a spot hunt

785
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: all day and then decide to move that. Why doesn't

786
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: that happen very often for you? Uh? Usually, once I

787
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: have it sat in my head to go sit all day,

788
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: there's a good reason that I want to do that

789
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: to begin with. So I stick it out and I

790
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: just want to stay. I just you know, if I

791
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: usually if it's but and even if I don't see you, dear,

792
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: if I'm set um. I walked out the door saying

793
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here all day, I'll I'll sit there all day.

794
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I usually don't want to quit. I don't want to leave,

795
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: and that's a lot to do with everything. I never

796
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: want to leave. I never want to about ah. So

797
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: I could spit it out, Yeah I don't. I don't

798
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: know why they like to me. Just planning to sit

799
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: all day and you're gonna leave early. That's kind of

800
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: like just like quitting. So it doesn't sound like you've

801
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: got a whole lot of quitting you. I don't like too.

802
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: It's you know, now fishing or haunting. I want to Yeah,

803
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: I want to maximize all the time. I feel like

804
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: of all the people I talked to that are really

805
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: consistently successful hunters, um, that is just something you've gotta have.

806
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,479
Speaker 1: You just you can't quit when the going gets tough.

807
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: You can't quit when it's you know, starts getting slow

808
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: or cold, or when you start getting tired. I mean

809
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: that's when you guys just battened down and stick it out. Yeah.

810
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: And there's gonna be lots of bad times of all

811
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: the time you're hunting. You know, say I'm sad hunt

812
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: for a month. There's gonna be one day maybe where

813
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: I could it here. The rest of those days, you know,

814
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: what Yeah, was it great? Was it awesome? Sitting in

815
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: that tree forezing all day? And you know, you know

816
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad days, tons of them, tons

817
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: of them, but you just forget about those and they

818
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: never the good ones. Yeah, it's all worth it for

819
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: that those few special moments, right, Yeah, definitely. So you know,

820
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: you just you just can't give up. You just gotta

821
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: press on. You might be hungry, you might be cold,

822
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: it might be uncomfortable, you might have a stick in

823
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: your back, but just who cares, it's one one day

824
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: you can't handle one day. You're just not gonna make

825
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: it doing this kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, speaking of that, Yeah,

826
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: what about just attitude? Like how important is a positive

827
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: attitude to the way you hunt? I feel when we

828
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: talked last time, you've mentioned this a little bit, and

829
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: I think it kind of ties into what you just said,

830
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: But I mean, how much does this mental side and

831
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: the attitude side of things actually help you have the

832
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: success that you've had. You just gotta gotta stay positive,

833
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: And like, if you started thinking the worst, then that's

834
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen the worst. You just every time I

835
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: go I don't go to a spago I'm not gonna

836
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: see anything anyway else just go. I don't go. It's

837
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: not like that. I think I'm going here and any

838
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: second now Slammer's got coming down the road. I just

839
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: know it, you know. And if I didn't feel like

840
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: that every time I was hunting, it would be terrible

841
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: on and I wouldn't even I wouldn't even have fun.

842
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: Every time I go, I think something awesome I'm gonna happen.

843
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: And if I'm not there, I think I'm missing something.

844
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, and a good attitude is pretty good. I've

845
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: been in cance where you know, you getting somebody that's

846
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: a downer and that can really that can really drag

847
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: everyone down. Yeah, you know quick, Yeah, it's a it's

848
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: a yeah. So and you know another, like one of

849
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: my biggest philosophies is you you don't even have to

850
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: do anything that great. If you could spend time and

851
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: a good location, you're probably gonna do pretty good just

852
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: just those two things. Time and location. Just you. If

853
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: you put in three weeks and a good location, I

854
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: mean something something bound the good that's going to happen.

855
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's just bound to happen. You something

856
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: good will happen in that amount of time. But you know,

857
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: in a week, you know, you might just miss it

858
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: out of the weather that way. But like like you said, though,

859
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, even for a guy that only has a week,

860
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: you have to go into that week with that positive

861
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: attitude and willing to put in all the time, because yeah,

862
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: you might miss it, but if you don't stick it

863
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: out and try and give it everything you've got, you

864
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: definitely will miss it. So whether you've got one week

865
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: or three, right, you got to go in there and

866
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 1: give it every single a little bit you have, right, Yeah,

867
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: I would say so. I mean I can remember, uh haunt.

868
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: I actually wont to haunt to Illinois. Ah On actually

869
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: was on the Hunting Beast website and they had a

870
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: good deer contest. It was really neat and I wounded

871
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: up getting a trip to Illinois. But when I showed

872
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: up there, it was trying to remember what time of

873
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: the year it was. It was it was I think

874
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: it was like prime rutt rutt time, and it was

875
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: just seventy degrees every day. It was just hot, hot.

876
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you were your face was frying in the stand.

877
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: It was just you know, it was pretty bad and

878
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: It was one of those south wind deals with it

879
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: just blows and stays warm, just every day, south south south,

880
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: and I sat every day, every day, all day and

881
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: really through the heat every second. That was one of

882
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: the few guys that walked out of there on the

883
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: very last day. I ended up getting this, getting a

884
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: nice book. And uh, it was just from just from

885
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: sticking it out that much. Yeah, a couple of years ago,

886
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: I think it was two thousand fifteen, maybe we had

887
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: we had a warm first week of November and I

888
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: was hunting in Iowa, had a bunch of other friends

889
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: that were hunting there too, and I ended up being

890
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: stupid and bailing out for a day and a half

891
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: to go deal with some other stuff. I thought, well,

892
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: it's warm, I'm gonna go deal with some family stuff.

893
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: And um. I had three other friends that were still

894
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: hunting though, and even though it was like seventy degrees

895
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,959
Speaker 1: during the day, three days in a row, they each

896
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: killed a nice mature buck um on all three of

897
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: those mornings. So I missed two of those days and

898
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: it was just a great It was a great reminder

899
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: to me that even when the conditions aren't right, and

900
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: even when you know everyone and all the things, all

901
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: the signs point to it being a bad day during

902
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: the rut. Anything can happen, and you do just need

903
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: to stick it out because you know it can it

904
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: can still come together. Can you know they're but they

905
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: aren't going to stop reading, you know. And if it

906
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: just takes that one all it takes in one deer

907
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: one and no one bow to burn everything around and

908
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: even in the worser conditions, yea, even the worst times, yeah,

909
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: never know never Alright, Well, I think this is a

910
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: good place for us take a brief break for a

911
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 1: word from our partners, and first we have a weekly

912
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: segment with White Tailed Properties. Here's our producer, Spencer new Hearth.

913
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: This week with White Tailed Properties, we are joined by

914
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: Jeff Probes, a land specialist out of northern Missouri, and

915
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: Jeff is going to be telling us about what to

916
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: look for when scouting a property in spring. Well, I

917
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: think for me, uh, I've been doing a lot of

918
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: spring scouting for for a number of years, and uh,

919
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: I think the number one thing I look for is

920
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: travel patterns and in the in the trails, in the

921
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: through the timber, because everything is so open in the

922
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: spring and you can I can backtrail these trails coming

923
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: in and out. I think it's in kind of parallel

924
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: them to where they're the you know field edges and

925
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: to and from feeding sources and betting sources. So I

926
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: really like to walk the trail, the beat down trails,

927
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: because that tells me where the deer are traveling, you know,

928
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: in the fall and you know throughout the year where

929
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: you can't see it as good when there's foliage on.

930
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: So you know that time of year, this time of year,

931
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: early spring, there's no foliage on, and the sign has

932
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: just laid out like a book. You can just read

933
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: it so good. And then obviously I look for I

934
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: look for rubs, UH and scrapes, and particularly rubs. I've

935
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 1: got several farms that I hunt. I own a couple

936
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: of properties and then I at least at least one

937
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: and um, I'm always looking at you know, where the

938
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: bucks are traveling because of the rubs, where the rubs

939
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: are located. And well, it's pretty simple actually, I just

940
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: look for where the travel patterns are with the beat

941
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: down trails. I look for rubs and UH and old

942
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: scrapes and just everything is laid out so easy to

943
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: see in the spring. It's my favorite time of your scout.

944
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the

945
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: properties that Jeff currently has listed for sale, visit white

946
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: tail properties dot com backslash probes. That's p r O

947
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: p ST. And finally, I wanted to share one more

948
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: update from our friends at hunt ter Maps, who earlier

949
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: this spring launched their new hunt Terra mobile map, which

950
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: allows you to get the uniquely high quality map image

951
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: that they have usually on their print maps, now on

952
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: your mobile device. And I actually got to use these

953
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: mobile maps last fall, and during my Idaho elk hunting trip.

954
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: This map came in particularly handy. It was the last

955
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: day ever hunt and we wanted to get up into

956
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: this new area for the morning hunt and wanted to

957
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: be there well well before daylight. And so we were

958
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: up in hiking a couple of hours before you first light.

959
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like we had a trail or anything

960
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: to follow. We were bushwhacking across country. So I used

961
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: my mobile map on my phone to navigate to our destination,

962
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: and it was super helpful for a couple of reasons.

963
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: First off, you know, I didn't need to have any

964
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: kind of self service, which is hard to get up

965
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: there sometimes, and the maps still tracked my position through GPS. Secondly,

966
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: different than the maps you'll get from Google or other

967
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: map apps, the Hunt Terra mobile map has their unique

968
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: Terror image, which brings together aerial imagery, three D shading,

969
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: and top a lines all together to make a map

970
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: that allows you to see terrain features in incredible detail,

971
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: so much more easily than with a nor aerial or

972
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: topple map. I could see the ridge lines, I can

973
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: see the saddles, I can see the hills that I

974
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: need to navigate towards to get to our destination. And

975
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: I could do all this in the pitch dark just

976
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: by looking at that map. It was hugely helpful. So

977
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: that said, to learn more or to customize and order

978
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: your own hunter a mobile map, you can visit hunter

979
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: a dot com. That's h u n t e r

980
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: r A and from now through April two thousand seventeen,

981
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: wire tone listeners can get ten percent off their order

982
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983
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984
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985
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: a free mobile map. Now, with that said, we will

986
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: now get back to the show. You mentioned a second ago.

987
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: You mentioned a second ago that, um that it all

988
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: comes down to time and location, Right, you gotta put

989
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: in enough time and you've got to be in one

990
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: of these you know, key locations. Um. I know something

991
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned in the past was that you like to

992
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: look for places that the hunters don't go, especially when

993
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: you're hunting public land. I'd imagine, Um, how do you

994
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: find these spots where where's in the spots that you

995
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: find other hunters don't go? And how do you get

996
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: to these places or find these places in the first place. Well,

997
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the thing that every hunter is trying

998
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: to do, is go to a place hunters don't go.

999
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: You're you're just you're not gonna find too many places

1000
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: where egos or no, you're not going to find any

1001
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: places where nobody's been. You might find a place where

1002
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: no one's going or no one's going at that time.

1003
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: Um My, My best best hunting technique to get places

1004
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: where you know there's gonna be less people is my boat,

1005
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: and I take it on every trip no matter what,

1006
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: no matter where I'm going, no matter if I think

1007
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: there's water there or not, I still take it. If

1008
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: it's just a zodiac boat that rolls up into a

1009
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: duffel bag, just unfolds, I blow it up. It's got

1010
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: three air chambers, it's got a hard wooden floor, you know,

1011
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: panels that you put it all together. It's like ninth

1012
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: nine ft six long, but it will and it'll take

1013
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: up to an eight horse power motor. So I bring

1014
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: it a little outboard with me and the boat. You

1015
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: literally fit it in a trunk if you had to

1016
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: this whole set up, but the boat will. It's rated

1017
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: for to carry over a thousand pounds, so it's pretty stable,

1018
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty quiet, doesn't take a lot of water to

1019
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: float it. Um I use a a motor, you know,

1020
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't have to. It has the worst too, but

1021
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: it's one of the best best ways to get away.

1022
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: And these places are rare, but they do exist. Or

1023
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: you'll find, you know, public land that the only way

1024
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: you can get to it is by water or or

1025
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: or permission from a private landowner. And most of the

1026
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: time the private landowners are gonna let you walk across

1027
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: their land to get easy access to the public you

1028
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: want to get to. So a boat can really do it.

1029
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: UM and you'll find places. I'm planning the Haunt of

1030
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: Missouri this year and I found already at least one

1031
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: place where it's only accessible by a boat. Um. A

1032
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: lot of public land is just designed for people to

1033
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: use it, So there's a lot of trails and everything's

1034
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: opened up with water. Seems to be a pretty consistent barrier. Um,

1035
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: And you can get some really neat places. Yeah, So

1036
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: that's um, finding places where other people don't go. I

1037
01:03:55,360 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: mean it's it's hard. It's really hard. Um. When when

1038
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: your bow hunting, it's a little bit better because even

1039
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: if there is other people there, maybe you can just

1040
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: get away from them enough. You know. Also it depends

1041
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: on the land. I mean I hunt on land that

1042
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: thousands of acres and I hunted on a little acre pieces.

1043
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: So I guess it all depends where you go. You know,

1044
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to get away from people and just flat

1045
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: woods people just walk and walk and walk and walk,

1046
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: and if they don't they don't get wet, they'll keep

1047
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: walking and walking. Yeah. So do you when you're actually

1048
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: like when you're planning a hunt, then even before you

1049
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: get out there out there, do you specifically look for

1050
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: public parcels or places you want to ask for permission

1051
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: that aren't like that? Are you specifically trying to find

1052
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: places on the map ahead of time online that you

1053
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: know look like they're going to have these pockets? It

1054
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: are tough for people to find. Yeah. I tried my

1055
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: best to do it on online inner cyber scouting to

1056
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: find places. Um Like, like I said, I'm planning to

1057
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: hunt in Missouri right now. Um So my list, my

1058
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: list started out of places to go. The first thing

1059
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: I did was I picked out areas that only Alabo

1060
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: hunting was my first you know separator, I guess of land,

1061
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 1: so you know, I come up with a list like that,

1062
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: and then, uh, you know, maybe that's maybe they're not

1063
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: all the best, but that's where I like started. And

1064
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: there's lots of places for land that a lot of

1065
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: people go online hit the state the state land, and

1066
01:05:53,360 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: a lot of states have good interactive mapping. But there's

1067
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: other land that isn't state land that you could still

1068
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: publicly hunt on. I already mentioned the Indian Reservations, right,

1069
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think they have the greatest reputation,

1070
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: but there's uh that's that's one piece of land I've

1071
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: hunted on Army Corps of Engineers. They usually have land

1072
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: that you can hunt on in a lot of places.

1073
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: I think most of their land is around water, which

1074
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: goes hand in hand with the boat thing. Um. I've

1075
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: haunted on power company land. It's not listed on the

1076
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: not listed on the state land thing. So um, you

1077
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: just gotta keep looking for all the different places that

1078
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: have public count and it's not just a state. Ah,

1079
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: there's other other places that you can look um. And

1080
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: then another thing that's had happened too, which is really

1081
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: cool is a lot of states will have a walk

1082
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 1: in program. I don't know how they work. I think

1083
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: they must give people a tax break for people to

1084
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: use their land to hunting. You've heard of that in

1085
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: different states. Well, once in a while someone would enroll

1086
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: their land, but it won't make the publication of that year.

1087
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: So just before you do your trip, right after the

1088
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: the public land Atlas comes out for the year most

1089
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: states album, you call the poul the office and say, well,

1090
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: what's been enrolled since the publication? And once in a

1091
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: while you get lucky and you'll find a place that

1092
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: just went in to walk in or whatever the case

1093
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: may be, and you'll get a you'll get a first

1094
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: pack out of before it's well known. That's a good

1095
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: and that's happened a couple of times. And I went

1096
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: to Ohio once and uh, I went to American Electric

1097
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: Power Land that had just like seven thousand acres that

1098
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: had just opened up the year before I got there,

1099
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: so it wasn't it wasn't well known yet. And those

1100
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: those can be pretty good. If she's I mean, it's rare,

1101
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: but if you're on top of it and you're doing

1102
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: your trip and your plan and you don't feel like

1103
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 1: making a call, you can never can't hurt Hey, Like

1104
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: most of the people you talked to are super nice,

1105
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: super friendly. Um. And I just wanted to mention one

1106
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: other thing about all these hunts I do. There's so

1107
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: many awesome people to have had so much to do

1108
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: with the year that I've been able to get And

1109
01:08:55,240 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: it's I hate people when I'm hunting woods, but outside

1110
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: of the woods, I relate people most of the if

1111
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: you just happen to get friendly with, you know, make

1112
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: make some friends out there, and it happens almost every

1113
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: year if you're if you're open to it, Um, you

1114
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: could have some pretty cool things happened a lot of

1115
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: the lot of the hunts, a lot of the cool

1116
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: stories that I've had, and the successes of just just

1117
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: been from really meeting from really nice people. You know. So,

1118
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: is there is there anything you're doing, you know in

1119
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: particular that just allows you to have these opportunities? I mean,

1120
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: do you go to local dinners and just chat people

1121
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: up or anything like that like that you're actively thinking

1122
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: about doing or are these kind of things just happening

1123
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 1: by luck? Um they I think I think they happened

1124
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: by law. But I have. I have chatted in diners. Actually,

1125
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: I geez, one year it didn't paying out. I met

1126
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 1: a guy in Illinois in a diner, just started talking

1127
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: about haunting and next thing you know, he offered me

1128
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: up a piece of land has gone on and I

1129
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: was like, wow, you know kind of you know, it

1130
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: was great. It was on a the a river, run

1131
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: Spoon River or something like that. But uh uh, I

1132
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: just can't name. Oh another just a good people's story,

1133
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: is uh that? I hope it isn't too long in

1134
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: a story. But um, a friend of my friend of

1135
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: mine got drawn for a moose tag in two thousand

1136
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: and fourteen up in Maine. So another friend of mine

1137
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: that I hunted every year he had moose hunted and

1138
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: name alrighty. He's like, ohh you gotta go to this

1139
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: guy's camp. You know, we weren't we were gonna go moose.

1140
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: I was a sub permittee on this guy's from it,

1141
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: and we were gonna just not use a guide. We're

1142
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: just going on up do it yourself, moose on. He's like,

1143
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: you gotta go up to Jeans camp, you know. So

1144
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: we did. In two thousand fourteen, Um, I started talking

1145
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: to the guy who's kind of friends with My friends

1146
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: are back home already. And he was a little older

1147
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: than me, and he was, you know, a big deer hunter,

1148
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: but he's up way up in mein you know, they

1149
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: get some nice do up there. But he was talking

1150
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: about high La and uh he was a really nice guy,

1151
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: and uh we were having a lot of fun up there.

1152
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I told the guy, go, I

1153
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: have a really great farm in Iowa that I got

1154
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: permission on on And I said, I I'm pretty sure

1155
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: that you could get permission hunt here. You know, I

1156
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: just tell me talk to me whatever. So so this

1157
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: guy from me, uh, you know, got his preference points

1158
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: and I gave him the information, so, you know, and

1159
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: he was all. I gave him the people to call

1160
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: and all that, and uh roll forward up to two

1161
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen last year. Um, I drew a moose tag.

1162
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: Uh and it was for the same zone that my

1163
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: friend was and where I was going to go back

1164
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: to the same guy's cabins. He rent he Rens cabins

1165
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: up there. Well and behold, he drew his Iowa tag

1166
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: for two thousand sixteen last year. So I got up

1167
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: there to moose hunt and well, actually I went to

1168
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: scout and the hunk, but uh, I got up there

1169
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 1: and he was going to Iowa to a farm I

1170
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: had hunted a couple of times and I was going moosehan.

1171
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: So the two of us kind of meeted each other

1172
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,040
Speaker 1: to you know, get a little He gave me a

1173
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: loose advice and teps, and I kind of got him

1174
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: picked up with a nice farm in Iowa and by

1175
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: and both of our seasons he had his hundred and

1176
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: fifty buck and I had my moves. That's awesome. So,

1177
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: you know, just meeting there any people sometimes everything right,

1178
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: And like you said, it's it's just about being open

1179
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: to it, you know, being willing to chat up people

1180
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: and being willing to you know, just engaged. I'm honestly,

1181
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm guilty sometimes of being always in such a rush.

1182
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: I just want to get to somewhere. I just want

1183
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: to go to this place. And and I sometimes kicked

1184
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: myself for not taking more time just to chat with

1185
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: people and kind of chill out a little bit. I

1186
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: think that's a mistake on my part. Probably. Yeah, I mean,

1187
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: just can get a chance, and you just you never

1188
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: know when that kind of moment's gonna happen. You really

1189
01:13:55,479 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: just don't. So yeah, you know, yeah maybe, but I

1190
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: don't know how it happens. But instead of you know,

1191
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: looking away or you know, I just I don't know

1192
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: this guy, I'm not going to talk to him or whatever.

1193
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: You know, somehow, if you keep yourself open, sometimes you

1194
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: just meet the best people. And that's that's happened to me.

1195
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: And you know, that's how I got permission on and

1196
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: I you know, met really nice to people. So it's

1197
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: crazy how the world works sometimes. It definitely is. I

1198
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: want to go back a little bit to something you

1199
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: mentioned um a little earlier. You were talking about how

1200
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: you're planning in Missouri, Hunt this year and how the

1201
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: first criteria you looked at to narrow down your list

1202
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 1: of spots was trying to find places that were both

1203
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: only Um, can you walk us through the rest of

1204
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: the criteria, Like, how do you continue to narrow down

1205
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: where you're gonna end up focusing your efforts to start out?

1206
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: What other things are you looking for before you even

1207
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: get out there? Yeah, well, before I got to make

1208
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: in my list here, Missouri is a big state, so

1209
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: I had to, you know, kick somewhere in Missouri to start.

1210
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: You know, you got the northern part of the state.

1211
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you've run in Missouri, so I actually haven't.

1212
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 1: Oh you have a hunt Missouri. I thought that's what

1213
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: you had around it, but been just above the border

1214
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: at ways. But yeah, well, the first thing I started

1215
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: researching that I've always wanted to go to Missouri, just

1216
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 1: never have, and that this is going to be the year. Um.

1217
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: So the first thing was all where in Missouri we're

1218
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: gonna go. Ever, a lot of people I talked to

1219
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: there's a highway that runs east west Highway seventy. A

1220
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: lot of people say the best biggest year in North

1221
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: Highway seventy. You know, in the northern part of the

1222
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: northeastern part. You know, they're trying to butt up the highlight.

1223
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: I guess, um and get in on that train. So

1224
01:15:58,040 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: I was thinking, all of what I want to be there?

1225
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: So I want to be in essential? Do I want

1226
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: to be in Ozarks? You know? And I kind of

1227
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: hemmed him hot and eventually decided that, well, I'm I'm

1228
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 1: guessing that everyone's gonna try to get to the northern

1229
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: part of the state, in the northeastern part, maybe in particular,

1230
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, well, maybe I'll just not not do that. Um.

1231
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: So I actually decided on probably a less I guess

1232
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: it's a pretty big generation to say all the big

1233
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: bucks are north a half like seventy. But um, I

1234
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: decided to, you know, maybe I'll try the middle part

1235
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: of the state where I'm thinking there's going to be

1236
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: less people, less pressure on maybe less nine rather than

1237
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: pressure pab still of local pressure. But you know, so

1238
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: it was like a you know, I cut off. I

1239
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: had to just decide and then once you once you

1240
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 1: figure out, well, I wouldn't mind being here and pick

1241
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: a spot, and most of my spots I look at, well,

1242
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: I look at the state, first look at all the

1243
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: big cities and just try to find an area that's

1244
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 1: the middle point of all the big city Like stay

1245
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: as far away from the that your cities as you can.

1246
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: That's what I like to do. Um what you don't

1247
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: always have to do, but that's my first starting point,

1248
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: and just look look away from the city. So I

1249
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: find a find an area and I look, well, what's

1250
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: the public land around there? Because really, right now, that's

1251
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: all I have. So you're looking see where, like if

1252
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: I was here, how many spots can I get to

1253
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: within an hour? And Missouri is one of those states

1254
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: just had land. It's about everywhere. Uh a lot in

1255
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: the south lit in the southern end, So I didn't

1256
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: want to go away in the south. I figured the

1257
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: deer getting smaller. But so it's so once I figure

1258
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: out how many spots I could hit, then you just

1259
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 1: have to pull the church. Well where am I gonna stay?

1260
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: So that was the first thing I did. I just

1261
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: picked a spot, and I'm not going alone. I'm going

1262
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: with some friends. So we all agreed, and I'm kind

1263
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: of a guy that takes the spots usually gets things rolling.

1264
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: So we did that and I just I found us.

1265
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: I found the spot. I found a couple of bow

1266
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: only spots. There's a couple of big ones, so I picked.

1267
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: I picked an area that was near one of those

1268
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: big bowl only spots, and I got just found a cabin.

1269
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: And that's how I like to do a lot of

1270
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 1: the haunts. I don't really like camp I mean, I

1271
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,759
Speaker 1: like the camp, but I like to be fully focused

1272
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 1: on your hunt, not you know, being up shivering all

1273
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: night or wet or you know. It's like, yeah, cabins

1274
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: are usually I've been great, So that's what I usually

1275
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 1: look for. I'm kind of cabin Oh uh did that?

1276
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: Got a place? Got a cabin. And then then that's

1277
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: how I started my list. I just listed out, you know,

1278
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: listed out all the bowl only areas. That's my starting point. Um,

1279
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: right now I'm still I'm still looking. I know where

1280
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna, say, you know what town we're going to

1281
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: be in. I have this list of boil on the area,

1282
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: and I just now I'm just gonna keep looking, looking, looking.

1283
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 1: And another thing I might do is I might, for

1284
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: um two or three days, I'll I book somewhere else's

1285
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: study maybe in the northern part of the state. And

1286
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: since it's my first time in Missouri. We'll have our

1287
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: main hub and then for maybe two or three nights

1288
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: I might take a three hour ride somewhere and just

1289
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: to see you all. Is the north so much better

1290
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 1: than where I picked or whatever? You know, this is

1291
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: my first year there, and that's what I'll just do,

1292
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: and I'll just I'll just pick the place apart and

1293
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: I'll look at it online and I'll look you know,

1294
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: and I'll just I'll try to cover the first year.

1295
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: I'll try to cover as much areas I possibly can,

1296
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: at least get a peek and as much stuff as

1297
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: I can, and let's go from there. Hopefully I'm going

1298
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: to find something. That's the big question. Yeah, it is.

1299
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: But hey, if you Notlson, will ever happen if you

1300
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: don't leave, if you don't do something, and if you don't,

1301
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: just you gotta just decide to go and go. Yeah,

1302
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of people probably get hung

1303
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: up with wanting to do this and not really knowing

1304
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: what to do, so they don't do it. But what's

1305
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 1: the worst that can happen? You just gotta really just

1306
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: if you like to hunt, you just gotta go for it. Yeah,

1307
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 1: absolutely have to for for someone who hears this and

1308
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, I would love to do something like that.

1309
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they don't have as much time as you have,

1310
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: but they want to take some vacation time and get

1311
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 1: out to some different place and try to pull off

1312
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: a hunt like this. You've talked through a lot of

1313
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,560
Speaker 1: different things you're doing, But what would you say is

1314
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: like the most important thing? Like if you could leave

1315
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: someone with one piece of advice for doing some type

1316
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: of hunting like this, some type of trip like this,

1317
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: what would you want to leave that person with? What

1318
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 1: kind of advice? Mm hmmm, uh yeah, just what I

1319
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 1: was just saying. It's just don't think about it. Just

1320
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: just go maybe, you know, and let let something happen,

1321
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: Let something good happen. I mean, the first step might

1322
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: be the biggest. It might be just getting out the door,

1323
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 1: leaving your house. Maybe now I don't know, maybe somebody's

1324
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: homesick or whatever, but you just gotta leave and just

1325
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, have fun. You know, I go with friends

1326
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: of mine and we could probably kill nothing and we'd

1327
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: still have a lot of fun guaranteed, because I mean

1328
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: we like, if I go with my friends out hunting,

1329
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: we have a last week cook. Ah, we all bring

1330
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 1: stuff that we've harvested, you know, throughout the year. We

1331
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: always eat these big we would cook ourselves and you

1332
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: know we're eating like squid I caught out of the

1333
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: ocean and you know trout these guys, you know, caught

1334
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: out of the lakes around here, you know, moose stew

1335
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 1: or any So we have a good time, you know,

1336
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, aside from the hunting. But just just like approach,

1337
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: it is a fun thing that you know, that's that

1338
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a burden or pressure or anything like that.

1339
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: You should be I think excited to leave and see

1340
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: something new and keep a good attitude. And you know,

1341
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 1: if it doesn't pan out, then do try something else.

1342
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: You know, you know, if you're just if you do

1343
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: your thing, you need to do research. These days with

1344
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: the computers, you just you could find out just about anything. Um.

1345
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 1: You go on on things for ums and you know,

1346
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: if there's tons of real nice people else, I don't

1347
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: know if anyone's gonna give you their publicly and on

1348
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: the whole, but you wouldn't believe the things you can

1349
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: find out. So I would just say you just gotta

1350
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: have fun. Yeah, speaking of speaking of things, that people

1351
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: get hung up on, though you mentioned some people just

1352
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: need to just that first step of the hardest get

1353
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: out the door and try it. Another one of the

1354
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: things I think that keeps people from trying one of

1355
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: these things is the cost. You know, imagining the trip

1356
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: like this is really expensive. Is there anything that you've done,

1357
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 1: UM to be able to make this a little bit

1358
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: more budget friendly, anything you would recommend to try to

1359
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:45,520
Speaker 1: make this a more affordable type of trip for people? Yeah, Um,

1360
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: I guess the way I view it is you could

1361
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 1: do uh, if someone wants to get out there and

1362
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: do it, you could go with an outfitter and you know,

1363
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 1: I don't know what the prices are like these days,

1364
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:02,839
Speaker 1: but say the haunt three or four thousand or whatever,

1365
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 1: for that same money, you can hunt two or three

1366
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 1: states or maybe even more with lodging and everything you can,

1367
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, you could or uh, you can hunt one

1368
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: state cheat for half as much. So I kind of

1369
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: compared it to an outfitted hunt. But um ya, if

1370
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: you just if you just pick the right stage, there's

1371
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 1: a few states with two buck limits, so right right there,

1372
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, instead of one day, you can maybe get

1373
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: to um if you like, I said, I go hunting

1374
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: with friends most of the time, and we'll get a cabin.

1375
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: So you could find a cabin for maybe who knows,

1376
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: a hundred bucks a night. And if you have a

1377
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 1: couple of ends but here, well then it's you know,

1378
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: depending on how many people you know, four guys or

1379
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: three guys or two whatever you do, the cost just

1380
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: goes down them, you know, if you if you have

1381
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 1: some friends and the driving to like, the big expenses

1382
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: on these funks is the driving out there in gas

1383
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: and wherever you're going to stay. And then sometimes tags

1384
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: cost non resident tags a little bit, but um yeah,

1385
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: and if you're depends is where you're willing to stay.

1386
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 1: If you want to camp, you can really probably go

1387
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: cheap um. But compared to an outfit at hot I say,

1388
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: you could do three or four times as much for

1389
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: the same amount of money if you're rarely playing it right.

1390
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: And I've done I've done where I've hunted maybe four

1391
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: maybe even five states and one year, uh, with two

1392
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:04,440
Speaker 1: of them being right here in New York and Massachusetts.

1393
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 1: And then I've done up to three Midwest states in

1394
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: one trip. Wow. And I know not everyone can do that,

1395
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: but you know, and if you can't or maybe some

1396
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: day you want to do that, just start by going

1397
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: to one state and could spend as much time as

1398
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 1: you can. If you can't spend three weeks and spend

1399
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, I always say a little more than a week.

1400
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 1: It just seems like a week is there's never enough.

1401
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 1: It's tight, that's for sure, never enough. You just need

1402
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Yeah, and that if you get

1403
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: if you get a tag like Iowa tag, why would

1404
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 1: you want to waste that? It took you four years together,

1405
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: five years and you're gonna hunt there for a week.

1406
01:27:54,280 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: That's crazy. You know, put put in the top time,

1407
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: put in the time in a good location, and I

1408
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: think I think you'll get onto something. I mean, box

1409
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: in the rout are different than than maybe hunting buck

1410
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: beds because you know, with a buck bed, you know

1411
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: you might displace the buck you're hunting, But when it's

1412
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 1: rout season, basically all the bucks are almost displaced there

1413
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: either buy another hunter or a dough or whatever. Their

1414
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: ranges just widening right out. And you know you're not

1415
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: gonna burn a stop because well maybe you burn the

1416
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: buck that lived right near there, but there's going to

1417
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 1: be for your four other box expanding their range into

1418
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: where you are, so you might get on an unknown buck. Yeah.

1419
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you do um during the

1420
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: rut to make you successful that we haven't talked about yet?

1421
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: You know, is there any other things you're looking for

1422
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: when choosing where to set up or any aggressive other

1423
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: aggressive techniques that we haven't talked about, calling or decoying

1424
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 1: or cameras or anything that. I mean, is there anything

1425
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 1: else you're doing to pull off these rough hunts? Now?

1426
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: I use a lot of regular techniques. I like to

1427
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: be uh, you know, I go as sent free as

1428
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: I can. Although it's not a regiment, it's just um,

1429
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: it's just so, you know, it's just so that whatever

1430
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: smell you do lead behind it dissipates quickly, you know,

1431
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,440
Speaker 1: just snake it so you're not even a big footprint.

1432
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: You're just sneaking in. You're you're probably never gonna be

1433
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: the deer's nose while you're in a stand. If that

1434
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: thing gets down in from you, there's really no cleanliness

1435
01:29:55,880 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 1: that's gonna save you. But uh, you know, just just

1436
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: normal normal you know, scent, you know, just try to

1437
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 1: be clean. And then I sometimes use a ground call

1438
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: sometimes use rattle and antlers. I've had luck with both,

1439
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: but I've had you know, for every hundred times you

1440
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: blow a drunk call, one time might be you know,

1441
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: you might get some kind of response, and the same

1442
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: with rattle, and you just got to do it at

1443
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: the right time. Otherwise, you know, just they only work

1444
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 1: when they work there, you know, they only Yeah, now

1445
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna rattle anything up in September

1446
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 1: by your might I don't know, but you know there's

1447
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: more appropriate times to do things like that. Otherwise I

1448
01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 1: don't want to do to know him there. I don't

1449
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: want to run to him. I don't want to rattle.

1450
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: I just want to be a leaf in a tree

1451
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 1: and you know, not clue them into where are you

1452
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: can help it? Just try to you know, when you're

1453
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 1: walking in you know, you don't want to touch everything

1454
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 1: that you're walking by. You just want to duck in there,

1455
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 1: and just little things like you know, why would you

1456
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: want to grab brush on your way by? You probably

1457
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: just left the big who knows what you left? Ah?

1458
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: I most of the stuff I do is is pretty typical,

1459
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:45,759
Speaker 1: except for the length of time I would say and

1460
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: and maybe the amount of time I spend, you know,

1461
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 1: looking for places online or I mean I can't do

1462
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 1: it physically, so I you know, I spend who knows

1463
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: how any hours mulling things over and looking and looking

1464
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 1: online and looking online again and countless countless hours. And really, uh,

1465
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: you know, wired to hunt. That's a pretty good name.

1466
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: I kind of feel that. I kind of feel like

1467
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: I'm wired to hunt. You know. That's awesome? Yeah, you really,

1468
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm definitely wired hunt. It's you know,

1469
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: I think about it. I don't probably out of Bay

1470
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:36,600
Speaker 1: goes by without some thought of deer hunting or you

1471
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do hunting. I'm right there with you.

1472
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I live in the woods. Like a lot

1473
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: of people aren't lucky as I am. I can look

1474
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 1: out any window in my house and I'm looking at

1475
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 1: a dense forests I lived. I live in a state

1476
01:32:54,760 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 1: forest and actually, um so my land just up the

1477
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 1: thousands of acres. So I'm I literally live in the woods.

1478
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 1: And I've always been near the woods, and I've always

1479
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 1: lived in the woods. But and it just helps to

1480
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 1: be tuned in as much as you can be tuned into.

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01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean here, I mean, I don't know what it is,

1482
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: but I'm definitely definitely feel like I'm wired to hunt.

1483
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: I like to hear that. I'd like to hear that

1484
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 1: the name resonates, but does it does? I mean, it's

1485
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 1: just I don't think no one else and my family's wired.

1486
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:46,639
Speaker 1: I can sure tell you that, so something something happened

1487
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know what. It definitely is a

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01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 1: I think people for a certain subset of people were

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01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: just wired a certain way. There's something inside of us

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01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 1: that this type of thing just connects with you, and

1491
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 1: you know, you just can't stop thinking about it. You

1492
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: can't stop obsessing over these things. You can't stop thinking about, Man,

1493
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 1: what if I try this? Or what if I try that?

1494
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 1: Or what are the deer doing right now? Or what

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01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: are they gonna be doing next month? And exactly there's

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01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: there's some of us out here that just we can't

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01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 1: we can't ever stop scratching that itch. That's for sure. No,

1498
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 1: it's crazy, and it's just something that's It's just something

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01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: that's in some of us, are you guys. That's just

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01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 1: it's kind of almost as like unexplainable, but it's there. Yeah, Yeah,

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01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 1: just the total desire to be there. You know, if

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01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 1: you don't have that, you know, you can probably learn

1503
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: everything there is to learn and still not be successful.

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01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 1: You really, I guess kind of have to be wired,

1505
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: don't That's that's that is a good a good term,

1506
01:34:56,320 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: a good just overall description. Yeah. Well, I think I

1507
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: think with this really great plug for where to hunt,

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01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that's a good place to wrap it

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01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 1: up too. So alright, so this is this has been

1510
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: really fun. Um, I got one. I've got one final

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01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 1: question for you, and I just would like to hear

1512
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: about what you consider your your favorite hunt maybe or

1513
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: maybe your most successful trip or hunt. Can you tell

1514
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 1: us a story of of whatever that most memorable or

1515
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:33,759
Speaker 1: best hunt would be from your past? Wow? Ah, she's

1516
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 1: there's too man eater even I really don't have them.

1517
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't. I don't really think I

1518
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 1: have a best hunt. I couldn't really. I mean, there's

1519
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: hunts or you know, I've got my biggest deer, but

1520
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: maybe they're not at the best hunt. But ah, there's

1521
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: just everyone is awesome. I can't remember every detail almost.

1522
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 1: I can remember the years, the dates, I can't remember

1523
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: what happened something of DoD that got away, all right?

1524
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 1: That was that was an unfair question. What about what

1525
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: about this? Um, I'm gonna gonna test your memory now,

1526
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 1: because you just told me you can remember every one

1527
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 1: of your hunts and the dates and all this kind

1528
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 1: of stuff. So how about this, tell me about if

1529
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:29,799
Speaker 1: you can, Um, how about your two thousand thirteen season,

1530
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: And can you tell me about one successful killed during

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01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 1: the two thousand thirteen season and one of your trips?

1532
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:42,480
Speaker 1: Can you tell me the details of one of those? Yeah? Um,

1533
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:47,839
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen, UM wasn't the best year because

1534
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 1: my area got hit by e h D in two

1535
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve. So two thousand and twelve we watched

1536
01:36:54,680 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 1: phenomenal area go to the greatest for the worst in

1537
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 1: in however many months I took. So two thousand and

1538
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 1: thirteen was the first year of the comeback that you

1539
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: know that I was wishing to go into the season

1540
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 1: and just praying that I didn't see any more of

1541
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 1: that awful pH D that I saw in two thousand

1542
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 1: and twelve, and I went, I hunted. Uh, I was

1543
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: in Nebraska and South Dakota, and I wound up shooting

1544
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 1: the nine pointer in Nebraska Um, it went one of

1545
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 1: my favorite stands that's like become a permanent fixture has been.

1546
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 1: But it was called the hole in the fence spot

1547
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 1: and uh I wounded up getting a nice chocolate horn,

1548
01:37:53,640 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 1: pretty nice nine pointer, which I thought was pretty good. Dude. Uh,

1549
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 1: due to the h D just devastated the area. I

1550
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 1: didn't know if we're gonna get anything or not, but

1551
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 1: uh so yeah that was h I got a nine

1552
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 1: point in Nebraska, and I remember remember it, well, what

1553
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 1: what made that hole in the fence stands so good?

1554
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 1: Why has that been the place that you go back

1555
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 1: to over and over? Um, it's uh the place I

1556
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 1: was haunting as these I call him finger draws that

1557
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 1: it's just like prairie. But every steep ravine that can't

1558
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: be killed or you know, crazed by the farmer, it's

1559
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 1: just they make a steep ravine. And so there's a

1560
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 1: lot of area within those fingers that can't be traveled,

1561
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: but usually on the lips of those things right before

1562
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 1: it goes down. So start to travel those edges, and

1563
01:38:55,560 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 1: this particular edge uh squeezed up with prairie on both

1564
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 1: sides of that, and the things like a finger going

1565
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 1: east west and then the further squeeze there was a

1566
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: farmer's fence that kind of cut off half of a

1567
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 1: good area. So it just seemed like all these deer

1568
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: with just always head to this a hole like it

1569
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: were the fence ended and h that's what made that

1570
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:28,600
Speaker 1: area is so good. It just tinged everything down so

1571
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:33,520
Speaker 1: good that it was just one of those great great spots.

1572
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,679
Speaker 1: And it also led up into one of the only

1573
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 1: cornfields in the area, so when the corn was there planted,

1574
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:45,600
Speaker 1: that made a really good, really good spot. Yeah, that

1575
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: sounds like a dynamite rut spot. That's awesome. Yeah. I

1576
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 1: killed a couple of deer there. Um, a friend of

1577
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: mine actually hunted there the day after. Oh, this was

1578
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 1: a couple of years previous the two thousand, but I

1579
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 1: had killed like a hundred and forty years eleven pointer

1580
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 1: and my friend used the stand a few days later

1581
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: until the hundred and seventy something. Dear, Wow, great spot

1582
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: sounds like it. Well, that's what's all about during the rut.

1583
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if there's anything I think to take away

1584
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:28,760
Speaker 1: from this conversation, it's you find these key rut locations.

1585
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 1: You'll work your tail off and hunt as hard as

1586
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: you can for as long as you can during the rut.

1587
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 1: And if you do those two things and have a

1588
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 1: positive attitude, good things can happen. Right. That's great, man,

1589
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: Just stick it out, spend some time, have fun, meet

1590
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 1: as many people as you can, and just bound to

1591
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 1: run into something good. Just you have to. There you go, Well, Eric,

1592
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,640
Speaker 1: that I think is some very solid good advice for

1593
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: all of us. So I appreciate taking the time to

1594
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:07,320
Speaker 1: do this in the chat. And uh, and thank you, Eric,

1595
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: and best to luck this coming season. Hey, thanks a lot, man,

1596
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,599
Speaker 1: and uh, that's the luck to do this coming season.

1597
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 1: And that will bring this episode to an end. Just

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01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 1: a couple of quick things before we go though. First,

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01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 1: if you haven't yet left a rating or review for

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Speaker 1: can actually make a big friends. And finally, thank you

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Speaker 1: all for listening. I hope this one got you fired

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01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:06,839
Speaker 1: up for a ruccation of your own, and in the meantime,

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