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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts now.

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Speaker 2: As Secretary Rubio has said, there is no war against

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Speaker 2: Venezuela or its people.

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Speaker 3: We are not occupying a country.

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Speaker 2: This was a law enforcement operation in furtherance of lawful

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Speaker 2: indictments that.

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Speaker 3: Have existed for decades.

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Speaker 2: The United States arrested an arco trafficker who is now

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Speaker 2: going to stand.

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Speaker 3: Trial in the United.

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Speaker 2: States in accordance with the rule of law for the

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Speaker 2: crimes he's committed against our people for fifteen years.

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Speaker 4: Interestingly, he said after the judge read him a version

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Speaker 4: of Miranda writes and included the fact that he had

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Speaker 4: the right to be potentially be released on bail, Maduro

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Speaker 4: said he was unaware of those rights, and it struck

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Speaker 4: me that he's coming from a very different legal system,

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Speaker 4: because it seemed like he had never even conjured the

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Speaker 4: notion that he's.

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Speaker 1: Entitled to an attorney.

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Speaker 4: He may be able to apply for bail, and he

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Speaker 4: has the right to use to stay silent. He has

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Speaker 4: the right that none of the material that he has

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Speaker 4: said outside the purview of council and if necessarily, has

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Speaker 4: to come in.

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Speaker 5: So it's interesting to see.

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Speaker 4: Him sort of taking that in in a system very

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Speaker 4: different from the one I'm sure he's used to.

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Speaker 6: This from the beginning has been about getting rid of

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Speaker 6: Maduro grabbing Venezuela's oil for American oil companies and Trump's

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Speaker 6: billionaire buddies. Donald Trump, you know, claimed that he'd been

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Speaker 6: against the war in Iraq from the beginning.

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Speaker 7: That wasn't true.

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Speaker 6: But what we do know is he said, well, having

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Speaker 6: gone into Iraq, we should have gotten their oil.

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Speaker 7: This is what drives.

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump, and our servicemen and women performed magnificently. I

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Speaker 6: think it's outrageous that the present of the United States

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Speaker 6: puts American lives at risk so big American oil companies

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Speaker 6: and as billionaire buddies can profit.

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Speaker 8: The United States, of course lost its resources, its wealth.

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Speaker 9: It's proper, as you.

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Speaker 8: Pointed out, we discovered the oil, we created the technology

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Speaker 8: to extract the oil, We invested in the platforms, and

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Speaker 8: we built the refineries to process that heavy crude in

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Speaker 8: a way that again only America has that expertise that

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Speaker 8: we shared, and so that historic injustice has been reversed.

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Speaker 10: As because you were in some of these past classified briefings,

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Speaker 10: did you convey to you what the objective was or

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Speaker 10: what did the administration say when it was we were

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Speaker 10: talking about Venezuela the ultimate goal?

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Speaker 11: Well, One, we've got of fights to get any information

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Speaker 11: from the administration, which defies the Constitution.

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Speaker 7: Two.

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Speaker 11: In the most recent classified briefing, which I was in

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Speaker 11: and happened right before Christmas, Marpo Ribio personally explicitly live

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Speaker 11: to me and the Congress and to the people's representatives.

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Speaker 11: We asked, over and over, what is the larger plan?

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Speaker 11: Is there an effort at regime change being planned?

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Speaker 8: The United States is using its military to secure our

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Speaker 8: interests unapologetically in our hemisphere. We're superpower, and under President Trump,

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Speaker 8: we are going to conduct ourselves as a superpower.

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Speaker 1: It is absurd that we.

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Speaker 8: Would allow a nation in our own backyard to become

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Speaker 8: the supplier of resources to our adversaries, but not to us,

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Speaker 8: to hoard weapons from our adversaries, to be able to

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Speaker 8: be positioned as an asset against the United States rather

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Speaker 8: than on behalf of.

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Speaker 12: The United States sovereign confaction. The Monroe doctrin and the

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Speaker 12: Trump doctrine is all about securing the national interests of America.

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Speaker 12: For years, we sent our soldiers to die in deserts

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Speaker 12: in the Middle East to try to build them parliaments

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Speaker 12: still try to build them democracies, to try to give

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Speaker 12: them more oil, try to give.

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Speaker 9: Them more resources.

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Speaker 8: The future of the free world, Jake, depends on America

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Speaker 8: being able to assert ourselves and our interests.

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Speaker 2: With that apology case, similar action was taken in nineteen

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Speaker 3: He was arrested, indicted, convicted in.

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Speaker 2: A court of law, served in prison in the United

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Speaker 2: States and in Panama, and the Panamanian people. The American

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Speaker 2: people are safer for it, and undeniably the region was

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Speaker 2: more stable. This law enforcement action was directed consistent with

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Speaker 2: the President of the United States responsibility as commander in

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Speaker 2: chief to protect Americans at home and abroad against a

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Speaker 2: fugitive who is directly responsible for narcoterrorism that has killed

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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of Americans and created destabilizing violence throughout

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Speaker 13: Charlie, every day is a battle for your mind, raging

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Speaker 13: information coming from every angle, but the will to deceive.

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Speaker 7: I fear not.

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Speaker 13: You found the place for truth, the voice of a

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Speaker 13: generation that still has the will to believe in the

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Speaker 13: greatest country in the history of the world.

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Speaker 1: This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Suck a lot. Here

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Speaker 1: we go on. All right, Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 14: It's January sixth, fifth anniversary of the.

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Speaker 1: Fifth anniversary of the New Pearl Harbor.

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Speaker 15: Yes, the greatest attack on our democracy.

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Speaker 14: It was a great attack on patriots that largely did

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Speaker 14: nothing wrong. Most of whom were attacked should have probably

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Speaker 14: just been We did the greatest man hunting. We did

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Speaker 14: the greatest man hunt in American history for what could

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Speaker 14: have been settled with a mere trespassing charge. And actually,

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Speaker 14: on that note, we hear at the Charlie Kirk Show

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Speaker 14: are going to patriots, to some of these patriots that

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Speaker 14: are in Washington, d C. Marching to raise awareness of

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Speaker 14: injustices that are still unaccounted for. And to help us

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Speaker 14: do that is Ben Berkwam, Real America's Voice, National correspondent

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Speaker 14: and host of Lawn Border On Real America's Voice. Ben,

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Speaker 14: Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Tell us what you're

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Speaker 14: doing on the ground and what Yeah, there you are

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Speaker 14: walking backwards, beautiful site.

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Speaker 1: Ben, tell us what's going on in DC.

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Speaker 16: Let me just give you the lay of the land.

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Speaker 16: So five years ago today I was freezing on the ellipse.

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Speaker 16: The ellipses right over here. We've got the White House

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Speaker 16: right off to my left. We've got the Washington Monument

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Speaker 16: off to our right. This entire area five years ago

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Speaker 16: was packed full of patriotic Americans who loved this country,

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Speaker 16: who wanted one simple thing was the truth about the

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Speaker 16: twenty twenty elections that the majority at least maga know

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Speaker 16: was stolen. And so they came to peacefully assemble. President

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Speaker 16: Trump said, peacefully march. And we went down and we

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Speaker 16: saw what happened that day. One thing, Andrew. And as

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Speaker 16: we're getting up here, we're gonna get to some of

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Speaker 16: the folks that are gonna be marching. There's over two

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Speaker 16: hundred January six ers that are here. God bless you guys.

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Speaker 16: You should be thankful you live in a free country.

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Speaker 16: God blessed President Trump.

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Speaker 1: Huh, good for you.

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Speaker 16: And so but this is the uh, this is the

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Speaker 16: You look at what happened, the injustice that happened to

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Speaker 16: these guys, and you compare that to where we're at

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Speaker 16: now in our country. The bottom line is the message

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Speaker 16: is very simple. We've started it the president. Thank god

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Speaker 16: President Trump won the election. Thank god he made the pardons.

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Speaker 16: But until the people that orchestrated the real coup against

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Speaker 16: President Trump, the four years of a coup against President Trump,

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Speaker 16: the insurrection against President Trump, all of the Russia collusion hoax,

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Speaker 16: all of that.

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Speaker 5: Nonsense, the impeachments, everything else.

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Speaker 16: Until they're held accountable, the Deep States held accountable, the

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Speaker 16: American people aren't gonna rest.

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Speaker 5: And so that's what we're here today.

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Speaker 16: We're gonna be talking to some of those two hundred

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Speaker 16: January six ers and helping, you know, get their stories out.

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Speaker 16: Some of them still struggling, many of them not here today.

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Speaker 5: Committed suicide.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 16: So it's just, you know, it's a bittersweet day, but

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Speaker 16: thank god they're out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben.

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Speaker 14: Two points on this one is people don't really know

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Speaker 14: this part of the story behind the pardons of the

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Speaker 14: j sixers. But when that was getting debated during the transition,

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Speaker 14: actually Charlie was in the room and spoke up very

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Speaker 14: vociferously on their behalf and said, pardon them all, pardon

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Speaker 14: them all. And that's ultimately what President Trump did. So

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Speaker 14: I want people to know that piece of the story.

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Speaker 14: And I remember when he told me about that, and

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Speaker 14: I said, good for you. At second piece here Ben,

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Speaker 14: for the audience, please, you know you talk about the

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Speaker 14: personal stories. I mean, a lot of these people should

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Speaker 14: have if anything right, they should have been maybe a

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Speaker 14: trespassing charge.

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Speaker 1: Instead, there was this man hunt across the country.

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Speaker 14: Homes were raided, families disrupted, pregnant wives left without their husbands,

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Speaker 14: and then they were placed in you know, these jail cells,

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Speaker 14: the gulag inside of DC. Tell us more about some

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Speaker 14: of the personal stories from these JA six political prisoners

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Speaker 16: Well, first to your first point about Charlie and America

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Speaker 16: misses Charlie. Every single day Charlie was so instrumental not

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Speaker 16: But the seeds that Charlie planted, we're seeing the fruits

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Speaker 16: fruits of those every day. And to your point, what

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Speaker 16: He got stuck in solitary confinement for two weeks. He

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Speaker 5: You mentioned trespassing.

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Speaker 16: That's the worst that some people did not even knowing

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Speaker 16: they were trespassing when it was a fence basically like this.

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Speaker 16: And so a lot of people entered that day that

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Speaker 16: the violence, we saw the attacks. The question is how

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Speaker 16: much of that was instigated. We're only getting We're only

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Speaker 16: getting the tip of the iceberg on how involved the

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Speaker 16: federal government was how many FBI agents were there, which

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Speaker 16: ones of those actually instigated anything.

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Speaker 5: How many ANTIFA and BLM members were there.

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Speaker 16: We know John Sullivan, we know many other BLM and

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Speaker 16: ANTIFA were there to instigate violence.

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Speaker 5: But the bottom line is we don't know. We still

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Speaker 5: know less than we know.

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Speaker 16: There's a lot we don't know, and the question is

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Speaker 16: will we ever get to the bottom of it. But

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Speaker 16: to the stories, it's just crazy. I mean, they weren't given.

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Speaker 16: Shane Jenkins, big dude, big burly guy. You look at him,

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Speaker 16: about just sitting in that cell. He was in there

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Speaker 14: I got a wrap, Ben. But give our love to

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Speaker 14: God bless you, sir. Thanks for putting a spotlight on

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 15: Our position is that she's the valid opposition leader and

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Speaker 14: I mean, even if it's seventy thirty, you don't want

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 17: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 17: Terrence Bates. Today marks the five year anniversary of the

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Speaker 17: and a memorial to Ashley Babbitt. Real America's Voice Congressional

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Speaker 17: correspondent Minnie Ray Harmony joining us right now from a

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Speaker 17: lot White House with the very latest.

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Speaker 9: So Benny, first of all, get afternoon.

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Speaker 17: I'm curious what the atmosphere is like between the White

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Speaker 18: Yeah, good afternoon, Terrence. So this morning President Trump he

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Speaker 18: They ended up this was after January sixth. They put

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Speaker 18: And honestly, this whole January sixth talking point was truly

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Speaker 17: Know, And a lot of the conversation is revolved around

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: Absolutely, And I will say the press members that are

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Speaker 1: Voice does that.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely.

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Speaker 17: Any Ray Harmony reporting from the White House will also

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Speaker 13: This movement will not be silenced you're listening to the

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Speaker 19: That was a game plan, open up the borders, flood

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Speaker 19: blue states with more people would be counting the census,

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Speaker 19: that gives them more members of Congress, make them more

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Speaker 19: dependent on government, that grows government, that gives them greater power. Again,

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Speaker 19: that is what the Democrat Party is all about.

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Speaker 9: Power Again.

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Speaker 19: The shutdown wasn't about literally the enhanced sub so he

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Speaker 19: was about making sure that President Trump has no success.

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Speaker 19: They want They're happy to take anybody hostage, whatever the

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Speaker 19: claudal damage, bad economy, so that they can win in

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Speaker 19: November and retain power.

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Speaker 1: Democrats want power.

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Speaker 14: They want to rule over the ashes, and they don't

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Speaker 14: care how they get it. That was the point made

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Speaker 14: by the great Senator Ron Johnson from the state of Wisconsin.

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Speaker 14: He joins us now, Senator, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 14: It's great to see you. I happen to be on

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Speaker 14: that same show coming on after you, and I was

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Speaker 14: watching the program you were with Charlie Hurd. I was

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Speaker 14: I was like, I got to get them on to

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Speaker 14: talk about this. Because what we're seeing in so many

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Speaker 14: of these blue states and with the Somali fraud ring

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Speaker 14: is you see that the tentacles of flooding the world

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Speaker 14: with Third worlders and illegal immigrants, and we're seeing now

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Speaker 14: that this is not just fraud, this could have voting implications.

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Speaker 14: You mentioned the census, maybe build out that point of

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Speaker 9: Well, happy to year guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 19: My concern about what's been uncovered in Minnesota with the

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Speaker 19: found it. That's the problem. It's it's literally just a

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Speaker 19: tip of the iceberg. These programs have been designed to

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Speaker 19: be abused, to be difficult to really investigate and convict

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Speaker 19: people based on fraud. But the bottom line, you know,

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Speaker 19: Democrats have always just sought power to conservatives. It makes

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Speaker 19: no sense. I mean, I've got enough dealing with my

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Speaker 19: own life. I mean, why don't want to control somebody

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Speaker 19: else's life. But that's what democrats want to do. That

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Speaker 19: they want to grow government so they can have the

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Speaker 19: power to control the people's lives and in order to

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Speaker 19: grow government. They've created all these programs that people sign

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Speaker 19: up for. They daisy chain them, so you sign up

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Speaker 19: for one, you qualify for.

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Speaker 9: Another or another another.

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Speaker 19: They open the borders during Obama and then again during

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Speaker 19: Biden to allow people to flood in this country. Very

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Speaker 19: few people really understand that even illegal immigrants get counted

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Speaker 19: they basically reapportion the congressional seats. Those states, the sanctuary

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Speaker 19: states that encourage the illegal immigrants to flood to their states,

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Speaker 19: they get more members of Congress.

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Speaker 9: That means they've got more votes.

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Speaker 19: And when you've got Congress as evenly divided as we are,

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Speaker 19: Democrats in total control of government like they were when

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Speaker 19: they passed or Obamacare to carry out some other massive

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Speaker 9: But it was designed to fail. So again that's the

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Speaker 9: whole point.

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Speaker 19: All these programs are designed to grow government, to make

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Speaker 19: more people dependent on government, so they've got the power

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Speaker 19: that people are dependent on voting them back into office.

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Speaker 9: It's sick to conservative.

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Speaker 19: It makes no sense whatsoever, but that's exactly what democrats are.

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Speaker 9: That's what they're all about.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, I couldn't help hear that you were echoing

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Speaker 14: some of the sentiments from the great Stephen Miller play

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Speaker 14: cut two ten.

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Speaker 1: This was not a loophole.

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Speaker 8: The bodym Administration Secretary of Homeland Security Allehandra Majorkis devised

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Speaker 8: a scheme to fly illegal aliens into the country and

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Speaker 8: then to escort them in mass across the board by

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Speaker 8: the millions, and to give them something known as parole,

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Speaker 8: which gives them a work permit, which gives them a

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Speaker 8: which gives them a Social Security number, which gives them

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Speaker 8: access to the voting This was the plan all along

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Speaker 8: to get them here illegally so they can get free

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Speaker 8: participate in American elections.

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Speaker 14: And one more clip here for you, Senator. This is

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Speaker 14: the show. We don't know David's last name, but he's

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Speaker 14: a patriot in Minnesota that helped uncover this massive viral story.

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Speaker 14: And now they're talking about how these Somali immigrants are

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Speaker 9: They're all Somali.

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Speaker 20: You're talking probably one hundred thousand or more people, and

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Speaker 20: they're all living rent free. They're driving a vehicle that

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Speaker 20: you paid for, they're eating food that you paid for.

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Speaker 20: Everything they do is something you paid for.

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Speaker 15: And for instance, now entire block, well, then go and

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Speaker 20: They'll have one person go there and collect all the

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Speaker 20: ballots and nobody tracks. They could say they have nine

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Speaker 20: people living in an apartment, They're going to send them

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Speaker 20: nine ballots, and then they have someone who comes along

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Speaker 1: So the scheme, the jig is up here. Yea, even

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Speaker 1: when it's not that bad.

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Speaker 15: I remember accounts like so a lot of them don't

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Speaker 15: speak English. So if you can't speak English, you're allowed

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Speaker 15: to have an interpreter in the booth. And there's tons

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Speaker 15: of accounts where you bring in everyone all at once,

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Speaker 15: and they have the same guy going like that's our guy,

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Speaker 1: That's a guy.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, really really making you know, really displaying the sanctity

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Speaker 14: Ballot yeah, yeah, it's so exactly. I mean, it seems

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Speaker 14: like the jig is up. We pay these people to

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Speaker 14: come here, we settle them, we give them free money,

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Speaker 14: they loot the system, commit fraud, and then they vote Democrat.

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Speaker 14: The question is what do you do about it now?

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Speaker 19: Senator, Well, the problem is you've got about half the

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Speaker 19: They also want to get their guys and gals into office,

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Speaker 19: so they just look the other other way. My concerned

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Speaker 19: about only focusing on what's happening in Minnesota, and I'm

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Speaker 19: happy to do that. We have to use that as

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Speaker 19: a springboard to investigate all the fraud is. You know,

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Speaker 19: I'm older than you guys. I live through the development

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Speaker 19: of the you know, the Big State, the War on poverty,

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Speaker 19: which is utterly failed. But what it did do is

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Speaker 19: grew government. Back then, when I grew up, you know,

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Speaker 19: my dad worked, my mom stayed at home.

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Speaker 9: We weren't very wealthy, but we had a great life.

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Speaker 19: You know, parents of faith, they loved their kids, supportive homes,

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Speaker 19: but that was the norm.

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Speaker 9: You didn't need to earn her families.

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Speaker 19: Nowadays you can't really survive that way and what's really

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Speaker 19: tragic is the individuals that do work the tail off,

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Speaker 19: you know, making seventy eighty ninety thousand bucks a year

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Speaker 19: in a place like Wisconsin, paying taxes, carrying the load

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Speaker 19: for the people who then do videos on social media

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Speaker 19: taunting the hard workers saying, look all these bets. If

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Speaker 19: it's I'm getting, they'll take how much money I've got

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Speaker 19: on my EBT card? Thank you for funding my lifestyle?

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Speaker 19: Is it is just galling And you take a look

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Speaker 19: at some of the work by people like farm Center

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Speaker 19: Phil Graham that talks about on average people in the

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Speaker 19: way you benefiting from the wealth fair state, not get

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Speaker 19: down about fifty seven thousand dollars a year tax free

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Speaker 19: benefits consider their depth. They don't have to work, which

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Speaker 19: is why I've got about twenty percent of the adult

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Speaker 19: male work of population out of the workforce permanently.

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Speaker 9: So they don't have to.

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Speaker 19: We pay them not to work. We now pay for

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Speaker 19: their healthcare and the Medicaid expansion. The Obamacare expansion and

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Speaker 19: Medicaid is crowding out disabled children from providers because it's

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Speaker 19: more lucrative to get reimbursed nine dollars to one dollar

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Speaker 19: for a single adult so again, this has been designed.

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Speaker 19: Obamacare was designed to make people dependent on government for

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Speaker 19: the healthcare, so it could be abused, you know, provider

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Speaker 19: tax I mean.

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Speaker 9: I could go on and on and on. This is

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Speaker 9: by design.

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Speaker 19: This exactly what the Democrat Party set out to do,

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Speaker 19: and it's worked marvelously well for them.

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Speaker 9: It's terrible for America.

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Speaker 14: So is the issue Senator in this block Grant the way,

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Speaker 14: it's sort of like the federal government's giving money to

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Speaker 14: a state like Minnesota or Wisconsin or wherever, Ohio, and

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Speaker 14: then the state is then entrusted with policing the system.

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Speaker 14: So it but if you get a state like Minnesota

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Speaker 14: where the Democrat politicians are incentivized, especially with a community

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Speaker 14: that votes in blocks, like the Somali community, they're incentivized

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Speaker 14: to then turn the other cheek, to turn a blind

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Speaker 14: eye to the fraud right in front of them. Is

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Speaker 14: that the problem with the system or is it run

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Speaker 14: deeper than that?

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Speaker 19: The overall problem is just the massive amount of money

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Speaker 19: we spend. Now, JO issues an improper payment report since

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Speaker 19: two thousand and three. Since that point in time, they've

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Speaker 19: logged about two point eight trillion dollars of improper payments.

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Speaker 19: Now that's a very imprecise term. That also is probably

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Speaker 19: just the tip of the iceberg. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 19: the federal government is the easiest entity to fleece, and

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Speaker 19: so it gets fleeced all the time. And I keep

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Speaker 19: pointing out, you know, the somalies, they're relatively new this country.

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Speaker 19: They're amateurs relative to the entrench interest, you know, the

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Speaker 19: military destri complex. I mean, I can tell you a

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Speaker 19: story after a story of small businesses who create a

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Speaker 19: product for the defense industry sold at pennies on the

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Speaker 19: dollar versus what the big contractor bought them and then

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Speaker 19: started charging the Defense Department for. So again, we get

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Speaker 19: fleeced across the board on every in every program of government.

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Speaker 19: So the solution is you have to reduce the size,

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Speaker 19: scope and cost government. But that's not the path we're on.

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Speaker 19: And regrettably, you know, I was one of the big

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Speaker 19: holdouts on the Reconciliation bill because I was imploring, I

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Speaker 19: was begging the administration of my colleagues, you guys, we

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Speaker 19: have to return to a reasonable pre pandemic global spending.

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Speaker 9: This is absurdity.

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Speaker 19: We went from four point four trillion to over seven

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Speaker 19: trillion dollars. We have to return to a reasonable baseline.

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Speaker 19: But you know, doing those types of spending reductions, that

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Speaker 19: kind of constraint, it's not polically popular. It's often set

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Speaker 19: here in Washington. See show me a member of Congress

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Speaker 19: whoever lost because they spent too much money. You can't.

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Speaker 19: And that's until the public, until the public demands it.

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Speaker 19: And that's the beauty of the Nick Shirley video is

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Speaker 19: the working people this country, and the question is are

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Speaker 19: there enough of them? They've seen that that are properly

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Speaker 19: outraged by how they are getting screwed, how they're being.

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Speaker 9: Taken advantage of.

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Speaker 19: These people then go on social media and taunt them

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Speaker 19: for giving this lifestyle where they don't have to work.

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Speaker 9: You work your tail, if you pay.

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Speaker 19: The taxes, and I'll live in I'll live in the

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Speaker 19: lap of luxury, off off of the benefits you provide me.

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Speaker 9: Are there enough for Americans?

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Speaker 19: Have we already crossed that rubicon where there are too

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Speaker 19: many people going to vote themselves benefits, vote for Democrats,

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Speaker 19: and this democracy, this republic is over. That's the sixty

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Speaker 19: four thousand dollars question. I can't answer it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's terrifying fo the road that you're presenting.

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Speaker 14: It's something Blake and I argue about off the air

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Speaker 14: all the time. Are there is there enough virtue left

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Speaker 14: in the people? You know, we often say that you

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Speaker 14: get the leaders that you deserve. And you know, Charlie's

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Speaker 14: message was always like be a type of person worthy

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Speaker 14: of great leadership.

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Speaker 1: It starts individually. Are there enough good people left? Right?

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Speaker 7: And that?

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Speaker 1: And that is the question.

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Speaker 14: The other question, though, Senator, is you know, how do

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Speaker 14: we reform our elections so that you know, Somali one

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Speaker 14: Somali can collect eight different ballots, nobody checks it, just

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Speaker 14: hands them all in and that's you know, Trump was

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Speaker 14: mentioning it this morning with in front of the House,

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Speaker 14: GOP guys, the Save Act play cut two twenty.

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Speaker 7: You want to have voter ID, you order to insist

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Speaker 7: on it. You order to insist on it. The only

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Speaker 7: reason somebody doesn't want that is because they want to cheat,

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Speaker 7: and you would have passed the Safe Act or whatever

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Speaker 7: you're going.

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Speaker 5: To call is it.

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Speaker 14: I mean, so it's getting mentioned again, Senator, Is there

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Speaker 14: any hope of this? Is there any political will or

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Speaker 14: do we have the votes?

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Speaker 9: One of the.

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Speaker 19: Reasons I reluctantly again I think the philibusterers prevent us

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Speaker 19: from being a socialist nation for decades. But Democrats they're

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Speaker 19: gonna over, They're gonna get rid of the philibusters.

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Speaker 9: So we better beat him to the punch and to

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Speaker 9: do it.

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Speaker 19: So we actually passed pieces of legislation like to Save

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Speaker 19: Act some overall.

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Speaker 9: Federal controls and the controls are out put in.

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Speaker 19: Place are the same thing as our State Department advises

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Speaker 19: other nations to hold free and fairy elections.

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Speaker 9: We don't follow all on advice.

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Speaker 14: Senator, could I keep you for another segment here, because yeah,

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Speaker 14: we've got a lot left to discuss that we're coming

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Speaker 14: up against a break here. We'll be right back more

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Speaker 14: with Senator Ron Johnson when we return. All right, welcome

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Speaker 14: back to Charlie Kirkshow we continue with Senator Ron Johnson

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Speaker 14: here on the stream in Real America's voice and podcasting.

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Speaker 14: Senator Ron Johnson, you brought up you opened a huge

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Speaker 14: can of worms right before the break, and I.

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Speaker 1: Had to keep you there.

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Speaker 14: But you said something that Blake and I have been

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Speaker 14: having ongoing debates about the filibuster. I am still on

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Speaker 14: the fence because I don't believe with Murkowski and Susan

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Speaker 14: Collins and Mitch McConnell. Right now that we even have

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Speaker 14: the votes to do much and anything good, Rampaul is

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Speaker 14: always a wild card. Maybe you get fifty plus one

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Speaker 14: on some of these.

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Speaker 15: The concern is do we eliminate the filibuster and then

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Speaker 15: we're not able to pass anything other than the most

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Speaker 15: you know, Oh, we avoid another government shutdown, and then

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Speaker 15: Democrats take power and it's just that much easier for

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Speaker 15: them to tee off on. They're much more explicit, ambitious agenda,

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Speaker 15: national abortion, national you know, DC statehood, Puerto Rico statehood,

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Speaker 15: a lot of stuff that they've talked about, packing the courts.

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Speaker 19: Well, first of all, they're going to do that when

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Speaker 19: they regain power. They purged the two senators that prevented

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Speaker 19: that last time. Again it's unfortunately they don't respect to

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Speaker 19: the minority rights in the Senate. Uh So, the first

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Speaker 19: step would be to lay out the powerful agenda that

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Speaker 19: we could pass, and I will take presidential leadership. And

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Speaker 19: I'm not talking about a laundry lip list of you know,

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Speaker 19: three or four dozen items. I'm talking about the three

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Speaker 19: or four or five things that we must do, starting

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Speaker 19: with restoring dry elections. And that's that's your Democrats use COVID,

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Speaker 19: They exploited it. They complete contrary to the Baker Carter

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Speaker 19: Bipartisan Commission said that appstein balloting is probably the greatest

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Speaker 19: threat to election integrity.

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Speaker 9: Correct, They you know, double the number of appstee ballots.

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Speaker 9: They have mail in balloting.

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Speaker 19: Which is why I think Biden, if he actually got

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Speaker 19: the eighty million votes for.

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Speaker 9: Whatever he got me, it's a joke.

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Speaker 19: So again, we've got we have to restore integrityory elections

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Speaker 19: or or this this thing's over because the Democrats will cheat.

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Speaker 9: They're designing the system to cheat. Uh, and they'll cheat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I totally agree, you know.

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Speaker 14: So my question, so, my big white whale is the voting,

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Speaker 14: voting integrity, voter voter, I d But it's also immigration.

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Speaker 14: And I don't believe that we have the political will

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Speaker 14: or the motivation within either the House or the Senate

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Speaker 14: to get real immigration work done. And I mean, listen,

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Speaker 14: I'm in favor of a net zero immigration moratorium.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 14: Not everybody's on that wavelength with me, but we cannot

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Speaker 14: be flooding our country. It's not just illegal immigrants, Senator,

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Speaker 14: there is one point two million green cards to legals,

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Speaker 14: family reunification, chain migration, visa lottery, diversity lottery, all this

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Speaker 14: stuff's gotta go. I mean, we don't need it. We

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Speaker 14: got the AI Revolution nipping at our heels. We're not

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Speaker 14: gonna need a lot of these jobs, robotics, even for

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Speaker 14: things like farming and different industries that have typically been

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Speaker 14: the ones that are loudest in the room trying to

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Speaker 14: get more immigrants into the country. We were watching the

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Speaker 14: eraser of American culture before our eyes, and you think

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Speaker 14: about how many babies different immigrants groups are having compared

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Speaker 14: to native born Americans. This thing is a ticking time

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Speaker 14: bomb and we're gonna lose the country if we don't

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Speaker 14: get that. But we don't have it. So if I'm

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Speaker 14: going to do filibuster, nuke the Philiberts, that's what I want.

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Speaker 14: I want those two things. I don't know your reaction

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Speaker 14: to that, and if there's anything else on your laundry

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Speaker 14: list that you think we need to get done, well.

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Speaker 19: The major thing Democrats exploited in our immigration law was

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Speaker 19: credible fear, the incredibly low standard versus the standard for

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Speaker 19: actual asylum, which is kind of.

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Speaker 9: Hard to prove.

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Speaker 19: And so we've got to get that initial hurdle much

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Speaker 19: closer to the general asylum standard. That should be a

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Speaker 19: reasonably easy fix, not really complex legislatively. But again, you

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Speaker 19: start with these are the things that have to be done,

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Speaker 19: make sure that we've got the votes to do it.

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Speaker 19: I want't dow this philibuster until we have that done.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 19: Short of that, and Mike Lee's the champion of this,

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Speaker 19: we could also stay here in town, stay in legislative

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Speaker 19: a session and do a talking philibuster.

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Speaker 9: And you really need to talk to Mike Lee. How

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Speaker 9: you do that?

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Speaker 1: We had him on Yeah, I like that idea, I

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Speaker 1: actually like So.

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Speaker 19: We actually discussed that this morning, myself and Rick Scott

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Speaker 19: and Mike Lee's we need to start talking to our

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Speaker 19: colleagues about that, because right now you don't have the

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Speaker 19: votes for limiting the filbuster. So that's just true. But yeah,

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Speaker 19: I think we need to express our colleagues and the Republican

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Speaker 19: Conference go okay. Short of that, there are things we

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Speaker 19: have to do, and we talked to actually starting.

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Speaker 9: About saving with start with the Save Act.

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Speaker 19: Let's take that basic step to restore that level of

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Speaker 19: intager And again, I don't want to take over elections.

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Speaker 9: That's a slippery slow.

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Speaker 19: But there have to be some basic federal standards for

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Speaker 19: elections that states have to follow so that we have

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Speaker 19: free and fair elections.

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Speaker 9: That you know don't produce illegitimate votes.

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Speaker 1: Well, God bless you for that.

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Speaker 14: I endure Senator Lees because that would be I mean,

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Speaker 14: the question is Thune at that point? It would you know,

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Speaker 14: Senator Thune be on board with changing the rules and

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Speaker 14: make people actually sit and stand on the Senate floor

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Speaker 14: and argue until they lose.

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Speaker 1: Lose team, I don't know you would know better. Is

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Speaker 1: there any appetite from Senator Thune.

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Speaker 19: Well, we've got to sell it. And I come from

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Speaker 19: a manufacturing background. So what I've suggests as we need

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Speaker 19: to put the Senate when we do that, on a

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Speaker 19: continuous shift, do a scale down staff. I mean, I

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Speaker 19: don't want abuse that staff, but I mean it's pretty easy.

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Speaker 19: You know, you put three shifts, people come in eight

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Speaker 19: hour shifts. You know, we've got to be around available.

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Speaker 19: Don't have to be on the floor, but we just

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Speaker 19: have to be available in case there's a quorum call

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Speaker 19: or whatever.

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Speaker 9: So it's entirely doable. You just have to have the

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Speaker 9: will to do it. I always drove my kids, not sustain.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 9: Three courters of the word can't is can. It just

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Speaker 9: requires you will publish again.

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Speaker 14: I can imagine big frustrated you is your child if

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Speaker 14: you kept hitting me with that one. But yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 14: I totally agree. We just you just need to have

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Speaker 14: the political will and I just you know, I hope

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Speaker 14: for the best froom, Senator Thoon, I just I don't

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Speaker 14: other topic here really quick. Yesterday the President announced that

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Speaker 14: we are is a big win for Maha, going from

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Speaker 14: seventy two jabs for children, and they're moving it down

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Speaker 14: more in alignment with European some of the other industrialized nations.

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Speaker 1: Eleven injections. What do you make of this?

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Speaker 14: You were huge when it came to fighting the COVID jabs,

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Speaker 14: and so I wanted to get your comments on that, Senator, an.

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Speaker 9: Incredibly important first step.

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Speaker 19: I give you, Bobby Kennedy and the President all the

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Speaker 19: credit in the world for doing this, and I'm sure

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Speaker 19: it's not popular in the medical establishment, who let's face it,

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Speaker 19: they literally do not understand that much about vaccines. They're

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Speaker 19: just totally safe, effective, and then they move forward. Okay,

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Speaker 19: So I would recommend your listeners read Vaccines Amen Aaron Series.

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Speaker 9: There are a lot of good books.

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Speaker 19: Mccullucha is a good one out Dissolving Illusions, Turtles all

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Speaker 19: the way down, but one that brings it all together

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Speaker 19: most powerfully is Aaron Series Vaccines.

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Speaker 7: Men.

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Speaker 19: Read that and you'll startcoming to understand really what a

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Speaker 19: reasonable debate is about vaccines and how we should approach it.

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Speaker 19: But I'm happy that we're going more to our European model,

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Speaker 19: spacing them out and do real science.

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Speaker 9: And that's what it takes.

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Speaker 19: Time because we have not had true, rigorous studies on

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Speaker 19: the safety and effectans of these vaccines. We simply have it.

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Speaker 19: And that's what Bobby Kenny's been pointing out. That's what

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Speaker 19: Aaron Siri proves in his book. There's a much more

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Speaker 19: rational way approaching this. Our approach hasn't been rational this day.

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Speaker 19: So again it's a great first step I had.

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Speaker 14: We had Aaron Siri on the show for a long

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Speaker 14: form conversation and it was fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I learned a ton.

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Speaker 14: He cross examined some of these big pharma folks that

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Speaker 14: in depositions. It gets them to admit that there hasn't

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Speaker 14: been studies on these. It's just, I mean, it will

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Speaker 14: blow your mind when you hear the lack of evidence

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Speaker 14: of science that backs some of these broad sweeping mandates

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Speaker 14: for our children. We have ten seconds left here, Senator.

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Speaker 14: I don't know if you looks like you're trying to say.

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Speaker 19: You should outrage all of your listeners to the extent

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Speaker 19: that we've been lied to by the medical SAMs from

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Speaker 19: our federal health agents. We're not being lied to anymore

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Speaker 19: with the Bobby Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: God bless you, Senator. We'll have you back on again soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 14: We'll be right back here.

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Speaker 17: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 17: Terrence Bates. Today marks the five year anniversary of the

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Speaker 17: J six demonstration at the US Capital. Today's anniversary being

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Speaker 17: marked with the march from the Ellipse to the Capitol

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Speaker 17: and a memorial to Ashley Babbitt. Real America's Voice Lawn

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Speaker 17: Border host Ben Berkram is in DC and on the

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Speaker 17: ground preparing for that march.

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Speaker 7: He joins us Knive.

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Speaker 17: Now, I've been talk about this march and kind of

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Speaker 17: all of what's happening even surrounding the march that's upcoming

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Speaker 17: here in the next say, ten to fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 16: Well, it's pretty surreal, Terrence. I was here five years ago, actually,

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Speaker 16: just about at the same location. President Trump gave his

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Speaker 16: speech right where we we got some of the organizers

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Speaker 16: Jay Sixers, about two hundred of them that are gathered

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Speaker 16: right now. They're going to start marching in about fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 16: And this is where it all started, at the ellipse.

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Speaker 16: Just behind the camera is the Washington Monument. President Trump

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Speaker 16: came out, gave that impassioned speech, and then we planned

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Speaker 16: a peacefully march down to the Capitol, and then everything

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Speaker 16: else happened that we saw that day. To be back

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Speaker 16: here five years later to see the weaponization of our

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Speaker 16: Justice Department against January six Ers, I actually had an

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Speaker 16: FBI friend who reached out to me and said they

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Speaker 16: were taken off of all actual jihattist terror cases in

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Speaker 16: America under Joe Biden and focused on January six Ers.

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Speaker 5: That's how insane this got.

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Speaker 16: Little grandmas that were just simply out there exercising their

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Speaker 16: First Amendment right. And so now to see where we're

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Speaker 16: at now. Most of them have been pardoned. There's a

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Speaker 16: few more that still need pardons. Joe Biggs and Stuart

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Speaker 16: Rhoades still need full pardons, along with about ten others.

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Speaker 16: But to see where we're at now, thank god. That's

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Speaker 16: all I can say is, thank god Kamala Harris didn't win.

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Speaker 16: There's still more work to be done, though. We need

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Speaker 16: to hold the people accountable that allowed that to happen.

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Speaker 16: It's been called the Fed surrection, the federal involvement in it,

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Speaker 16: the deep state, and beyond that, the people that were

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Speaker 16: really truly trying to undermine our country from within. Terrence

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Speaker 16: it ties to everything. It ties to open borders. It

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Speaker 16: ties to communism and socialism on Arizon America. It ties

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Speaker 16: to jihadism on Arizon in America. So all of this

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Speaker 16: is tied together. Today we celebrate people like Ashley Babbitt.

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Speaker 16: Her mom's going to be laying a wreath, and we

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Speaker 16: remember that, and we look to where can we go

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Speaker 16: from here?

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Speaker 5: To move forward as a nation.

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Speaker 7: You know, moving forward?

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Speaker 17: I think even figuratively, today's march one step at a time,

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Speaker 17: one foot after the other, moving forward. It seems to

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Speaker 17: me that for many of the people, even though they've

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Speaker 17: been pardoned, the whole idea of being able to move

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Speaker 17: forward is going to be a challenge simply because their

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Speaker 17: life was upended just by.

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Speaker 7: Being in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 9: On January fifth.

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Speaker 17: January sixth, six seeds me five years ago.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, you're right.

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Speaker 16: I mean many of them lost their homes, lost their vehicles,

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Speaker 16: went in bankruptcy, many of them lost their lives. You

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Speaker 16: had a lot that committed suicide, they lost their marriages,

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Speaker 16: they lost obviously, lost their jobs and even going back

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Speaker 16: into the community.

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Speaker 5: That's why this stand in the gap.

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Speaker 16: A foundation was created that were Real America's Voice News

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Speaker 16: has partnered with to help the January sixth ers get

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Speaker 16: back on their feet, even getting a job. Now if

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Speaker 16: they look you up, they google your name and you're

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Speaker 16: seen as a January sixth defendant even though you were pardoned.

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Speaker 16: A lot of them are getting blackballed from jobs. So

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Speaker 16: major issues obviously with kids emotionally, kids growing up without

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Speaker 16: their parents, everything else that goes along with that.

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Speaker 5: So this is a much deeper issue.

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Speaker 16: And as you said, it's day by day, it's step

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Speaker 16: by step, and events like this are part of that

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Speaker 16: that healing process to get people back on their feet.

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Speaker 17: I'm curious if they want compensation. You've obviously been talking

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Speaker 17: with many of the people, even the hundreds, the some

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Speaker 17: fifteen hundred or so who have been pardoned, But do

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Speaker 17: they want compensation. Pardon is one thing, but getting paidback

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Speaker 17: for the years you've lost and for the earning potential

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Speaker 17: and other things that you've lost, it seems like that

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Speaker 17: would be a challenge.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've never I've it's a great question.

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Speaker 16: I've never actually heard anyone say that directly that they

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Speaker 16: want to be paid. But there's no question that they

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Speaker 16: want to be able to get back to their life.

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Speaker 16: They want justice. The word is justice if you ask.

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Speaker 16: We had Enrique Tarrio on the press conference Real America's

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Speaker 16: Voice Nudes did this morning, and he said retribution.

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Speaker 5: They want.

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Speaker 16: The biggest thing that everyone that I talked to that

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Speaker 16: they want is justice. They want the people that caused

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Speaker 16: it held accountable. They want the das and the judges

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Speaker 16: that were behind it held accountable, and the people that

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Speaker 16: stole the election. Ultimately, they want justice for the undermining

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Speaker 16: of America.

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Speaker 17: All Right. Ben Berkram reporting live in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 17: In preparation for this upcoming march here on this January

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Speaker 17: sixth memorial. In January sixth, excuse me anniversary, we'll be

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Speaker 17: carrying that march for you live throughout the day here

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Speaker 17: in Real Life America's Voice.

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Speaker 14: Stay tuned, all right, Welcome back hour too of the

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Speaker 14: Charlie Kirk Show here on Real America's Voice streaming podcast

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Speaker 14: everywhere you get your podcasts. Check it out, Please subscribe,

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Speaker 14: leave us a review, please, it helps us so much

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Speaker 14: in the charts and the ratings.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited about this next guest.

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Speaker 14: I think he's one of the most impressive and important

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Speaker 14: thinkers political commentators of our current moment, and.

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Speaker 1: Not enough people, in my opinion.

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Speaker 14: I've told him this know about his thinking, his thought work,

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Speaker 14: his writing, and that is Walter Kern. He's the editor

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Speaker 14: at large of County Highway and he's co host of

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Speaker 14: this America Week. I think that's what it is America

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Speaker 14: this Week. That's what I got. It was going to

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Speaker 14: make a little more sense America this Week with Matt Tayby,

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Speaker 14: who's a great journalist in his own right, very accomplished.

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Speaker 7: Walter.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 7: I'm glad to be here. I'm really sorry that I

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Speaker 7: postponed my last invitation while Charlie was around. It was

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Speaker 7: the first invitation and I just wasn't sufficiently prophetic to

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Speaker 7: know how short time was, and I thought I could

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Speaker 7: do it later. And this is the visit that I'm

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Speaker 7: doing later. And it's a sad one for me because

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Speaker 7: I would have so wished to have talked to him.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I know, and you and I actually got to

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Speaker 14: meet backstage at Megan Kelly event here in Glendale, and

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Speaker 14: I got to tell you. I got to fan boy

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Speaker 14: a little bit. I do that rarely, very rarely, but

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Speaker 14: you know, I Blake understands this because we we we

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Speaker 14: make content and there's only so much content you can

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Speaker 14: consume when you're making content as well.

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Speaker 1: You've got you know you It's true.

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Speaker 14: But America this Week, which is funny that I got

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Speaker 14: the name wrong. I listen to that often with you

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Speaker 14: and Matt because I think you guys have a way

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Speaker 14: of breaking down the news that's swirling, the big stories

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Speaker 14: of the day, and so I wanted to have you

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Speaker 14: on the show because I think, like I said in

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Speaker 14: the intro here, you are an important thinker.

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Speaker 1: You're an important.

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Speaker 14: I think distiller of these larger stories and you make

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Speaker 14: them make sense and you bring out the most important

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Speaker 14: through line, Right, So what do you really need to

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Speaker 14: pay attention to? So this is we're going to have

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Speaker 14: you on the entire hour here, Walter, and we just

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Speaker 14: want we want to make sense of what happened in

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Speaker 14: twenty twenty five, maybe go back to twenty twenty four

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Speaker 14: and back further, but we want to also look forward

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Speaker 14: to twenty twenty six and in this new year that

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Speaker 14: we've just embarked on, a year that I'm grateful that

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00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 14: we have, and so I haven't been so grateful for

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00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 14: the passing of a year into the next as I

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00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 14: have this, and I will tell you that much. But

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Speaker 14: so let's start at the big question. Help us make

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00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 14: sense of our current moment. If you had to distill

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00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 14: all of these disparate pieces, Somali fraud and democrats are

1107
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 14: now pro maduro, and you know you've got cultural elements

1108
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 14: weaving throughout.

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00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: What are you observing? What are you thinking about right now?

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00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: Walter Kern?

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00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 7: Well, let me, just for those who don't know me,

1112
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Speaker 7: introduce my point of view and my reasons for having it.

1113
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 7: I'm chiefly a novelist, and I was a literary critic

1114
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 7: and a kind of columnist for all kinds of magazines,

1115
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 7: from Time to the New Republic, Harper's Magazine, fairly liberal magazines.

1116
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 7: And I see us as living inside a story. There's

1117
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 7: a big story that goes back thousands of years, and

1118
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 7: there's a smaller story that goes back just years and

1119
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Speaker 7: then weeks and then days. And what I tried to

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Speaker 7: do is examine what's going on in terms of narrative,

1121
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 7: but not in the sense of pushing a narrative, as we,

1122
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 7: you know, often see the mainstream media doing, trying to

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00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 7: get us to pick a preferred version of reality, but

1124
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Speaker 7: in terms of a real drama, a drama that involves

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00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 7: the big things our lives, our freedom, our history as

1126
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 7: a culture, and the big events that affect it. So

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00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 7: if I were to take this moment in time, January

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00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 7: twenty twenty six and tell you where we are in

1129
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 7: the current story as I see it, I would say

1130
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 7: we're at a first act break in which we suddenly

1131
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 7: look around and realize that not only were we right

1132
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 7: to distrust a certain kinds of authority, you know, in

1133
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 7: the media and in government, you know, particularly I think

1134
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 7: under Biden, when we weren't even treated to the facts

1135
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 7: about his you know, health situation and mental condition. But

1136
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 7: due to this Somali UH fraud, which I think is

1137
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 7: just an aperture into a bigger story, we're suddenly realizing

1138
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 7: that we've been in the middle of a daylight theft,

1139
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 7: a theft of our resources, of our money, of our attention,

1140
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 7: of our ability to interpret things. Suddenly a new filter

1141
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 7: is dropping, and we're seeing that politics is not just

1142
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 7: about ideology, but it's about UH resources. And what I

1143
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 7: think is the ongoing cover up of a great diversion

1144
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 7: of our resources. So as Americans suddenly think about themselves,

1145
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 7: you know, paying the bill, paying their taxes, raising their families,

1146
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 7: in light of what seems to have been an almost

1147
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 7: full scale across the board. You know, we have the

1148
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Speaker 7: Minnesota example as a microcosm, but the macrocosmic example extends,

1149
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 7: you know, to the federal government and to many many states.

1150
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 7: We ask ourselves, are we in a society anymore that

1151
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 7: we can go on supporting? Just as the revolutionary colonists

1152
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 7: wondered if they could survive under the British we're starting

1153
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 7: to realize that we may be in a situation in

1154
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 7: which the very legitimacy of our government, you know, and

1155
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 7: its promises to protect us, to use our resources wisely

1156
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 7: to provide for the common welfare such as we believe

1157
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 7: it's necessary, are all empty, and in fact we've been

1158
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 7: in the middle of a con job. It's like it's

1159
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 7: I knew a big con man in my life, a

1160
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 7: guy who called himself Clark Rockefeller and who was a

1161
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 7: friend of mine for years, turned out not to be

1162
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 7: a Rockefeller, turned out in fact to be a murderer.

1163
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 7: And I remember the week after he was exposed in

1164
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 7: the news as a German immigrant who had a whole

1165
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 7: other name and a whole other history than I had

1166
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 7: known him to have for ten years. I suddenly felt

1167
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 7: like I was floating in space. I was like, I

1168
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 7: don't know the guy's real name. All the stories he

1169
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,439
Speaker 7: told me seemed to have been a cover up for

1170
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 7: a life of crime. I don't know his motives. I

1171
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 7: don't know if I'm in danger when I'm around him.

1172
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 7: Because he was exposed as a suspect in the double murder,

1173
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 7: a Grizzly double murder many years before. And I went

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Speaker 7: to the bank that day and I thought, I'm giving

1175
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 7: the bank my money, but I don't know where it

1176
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 7: goes after I hand it over. I was giving a

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Speaker 7: key to a contractor who had to work on my house,

1178
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 7: and I said, but what if he is part of

1179
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 7: a burglary ring? And suddenly everything that, all the bonds

1180
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 7: of trial and all the expectations of reciprocity that go

1181
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 7: into daily living were broken. And I think we're in

1182
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 7: that as Americans. We suddenly looked around and realized we're

1183
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 7: on a space walk when we thought we were secure

1184
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Speaker 7: inside of space ship.

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Speaker 1: Hmmm.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I really relate to that, actually, because you know,

1187
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Speaker 14: given what we're going through with you know, the trial

1188
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 14: for Charlie's assassin coming up, and you know, all these

1189
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 14: conspiracy theories swirling. It's it's sort of it suddenly occurred

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Speaker 14: to me that you know, listen, we went from don't

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Speaker 14: trust the experts to never question the non experts.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's like, but that's what you're talking about.

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Speaker 14: It's like the legitimacy of the system when it becomes.

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Speaker 1: In question.

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Speaker 14: In such a massive way, especially following COVID and some

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Speaker 14: of the revelations that we that we learned in that

1197
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Speaker 14: in the wake of that. It's it feels like there's

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Speaker 14: no solid ground place your feet.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, imagine a draw.

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Speaker 1: Thirty seconds, Walter, thirty seconds. I to take a break.

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01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 7: Imagining a drama in which you find out your wife

1202
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 7: is cheating on you, but then you find a letter

1203
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 7: and find out she's cheating you with your best friend.

1204
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 7: Oh not only your best friend, three of your best friends.

1205
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 7: And you look around and you think, can I trust anything?

1206
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 7: How do I go forward? Where to? What do I

1207
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 7: cling now? In order to have solidity? And that's I

1208
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 7: think where we are?

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01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to. I want to.

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Speaker 14: I think it's probably worth I don't know, Blake, please

1211
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 14: chime in here, but I wonder if it's worth going

1212
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 14: back through the through the ticker tape here and figuring

1213
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 14: out how we got here, or if it's more important

1214
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 14: to look forward. But I think you know, you are

1215
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 14: a man of great experience.

1216
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: Blowing through the breaks, so we can do both. And

1217
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: we're doing a full hour. We're going to continue.

1218
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 14: Okay, we are good to go through the clock right now.

1219
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 14: I am told I'm guys.

1220
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: The new excitement of the new year.

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Speaker 15: You don't know about this, Walter, but we were on radio.

1222
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 15: But now we're not on radio, so we still adapt in.

1223
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 14: Actually, it's worth saying the story we opted out. I mean,

1224
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 14: there was a narrative going around that people that we

1225
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 14: got kicked off, right to know, we were actually offered

1226
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 14: to go back on radio. But one of the reasons

1227
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 14: that we didn't is because Charlie and I had already

1228
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 14: decided that we were not going to for various reasons.

1229
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 14: But it's also one of the benefits is that we

1230
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 14: get to just continue on with guests like you, where

1231
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 14: we don't have to do this chot be start and

1232
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 14: stop things. So yeah, so but yeah, how did we

1233
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 14: get here to this moment? Then, Walter? How did we

1234
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 14: get to a point where we can't trust the ground

1235
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 14: under our feet?

1236
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 7: Well? I think it's act one because the Trump presidency

1237
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 7: and the re election of Donald Trump provided a kind

1238
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 7: of refresh to the whole cycle. You know, that was

1239
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 7: a point which people who had anticipated and worked hard

1240
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 7: to bring about a result on the behalf of Donald

1241
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 7: Trump's election succeeded and sat down for a minute, reflected

1242
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 7: on our expectations and the promises that they felt they'd

1243
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 7: been made, and started over. And that first year of

1244
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 7: Trump is a pretty natural, uh, a pretty natural time

1245
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 7: span to review. When he came in exactly almost a

1246
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 7: year ago, I think people were expecting justice. They wanted

1247
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 7: an immediate kind of redemption and even revenge for the sins.

1248
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 21: Of COVID, for the deep state hoaxes coop against him

1249
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 21: that had been going on for years, and for the

1250
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 21: deceptions that had come from the opposite party and from

1251
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 21: our own government in an attempt to unseat him, from

1252
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 21: the legal cases.

1253
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 7: That were flimsy, to the charges about Russia and so on.

1254
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 7: So everybody got in their seat and they prepared for

1255
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 7: a gunfight at the OK Corral. And it didn't happen,

1256
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 7: And there was a lot of instant dissatisfaction, a lot

1257
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 7: of it fermented and aggravated by his enemies who want

1258
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 7: to create dissatisfaction. And his followers, Look, he's not doing anything,

1259
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 7: nothing will happen. He's not what he promised. He's not

1260
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 7: the gunslinger, he's not the agent of justice. He's just

1261
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 7: another politician. Well, I think that's just changed because both

1262
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 7: the revelations of this fraud which can which are really

1263
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 7: an extension of the dose revelations, but with much more

1264
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 7: vividness has suddenly come a spate of actions on his part.

1265
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 7: Whether it's this Maduro raid, whether it's what we're seeing

1266
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 7: right now in Minnesota, which is a two thousand agent

1267
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 7: descent of federal force on what appears to be a

1268
01:04:53,400 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 7: criminal racket of almost unimaginable riches and financial dimensions. And

1269
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 7: so this is the year of action. So combined with

1270
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 7: that sense of you know, floating and displacement that I

1271
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 7: described before, we're also getting a feeling, oh wow, we

1272
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 7: just shifted gears and the thing that we maybe some

1273
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 7: longed for and felt frustrated that they hadn't gotten immediately

1274
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 7: is now going to come very swiftly. And whether or

1275
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 7: not it's too late, whether or not it's you know,

1276
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 7: people have gotten too cynical to even believe justice as possible,

1277
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 7: I don't know. But it's an action time, and he's

1278
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 7: trilegraphing it all across the board.

1279
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: I guess it's interesting me.

1280
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 15: As Andrew pointed out, you've been around a little longer

1281
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 15: than us, I do think if you want to reason.

1282
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: For autamtics long, Yeah, if you want.

1283
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 15: To reason for optimism, you can look at in the

1284
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 15: late seventies, America was in Malaise as Carter. Even in

1285
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 15: the nineties, you get you know, Chuck Palinak is writing

1286
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 15: these novels about how everything's fake and terrible.

1287
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: In the nineties, everything's awful.

1288
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 15: And of course maybe I'm only going off the movie here,

1289
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 15: but I know one of your books, Up in the

1290
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 15: Air is about a lot of the onwee from. You know,

1291
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 15: since the corporate world is getting detached from human values

1292
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 15: and such, so is there anything to be said?

1293
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: This might just be a constant. Are things truly worse now?

1294
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 15: Or maybe are we just psychologically worse because of the Internet.

1295
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 22: For example, Worse isn't a word I like to use,

1296
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 22: because the framing around better and worse is always changing.

1297
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 7: You can look at it in the short term, the

1298
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 7: long term, and so on. I think that things are

1299
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 7: actually starting to become hopeful because we've started to reach

1300
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 7: the roots of some of the problems that before we

1301
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 7: were confused, baffled and depressed by. I think people are

1302
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 7: starting to feel a shit sense of agency and uh

1303
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 7: and comprehension about how these bad systems work and what

1304
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 7: might disrupt them. And I think they are moving out

1305
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 7: of a period of cynicism about bred by their I

1306
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 7: think over exaggerated expectations of action into a sense that

1307
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 7: maybe it's possible for the bad guys to be defeated.

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Speaker 7: We now know who they are, we know how their

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Speaker 7: formulas work, we know how their crimes are set up,

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Speaker 7: we know the scale of them, which I think is

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Speaker 7: shocking people. And it's not Elon Musk anymore as it

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Speaker 7: was last spring and sort of putting himself out front.

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Speaker 7: Is people like Nick Shirley and you know the commoners

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Speaker 7: who are suddenly picking up the pitchforks. But they're picking

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Speaker 7: up the pitchforks in a pretty constructive way. You know,

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Speaker 7: they're they're they're not baying for revenge, they're not rioting,

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Speaker 7: they're not you know, just foaming at the mouth. They

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Speaker 7: know where to look, and they're finding the evidence. They're

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Speaker 7: gathering it, they're sharing it, and they are I think,

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Speaker 7: preparing themselves for action, and they're also persuading their neighbors

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Speaker 7: and friends. I think you know that all of this

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Speaker 7: new critical information dropped over the holidays was a great

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Speaker 7: opportunity for people to share it and discuss it and

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Speaker 7: meditate on it. So just as January is when the

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Speaker 7: New Year's resolutions kick in. I think this is kind

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Speaker 7: of harmonically timed for people who want to kick into gear.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and you know, it's I have so many thoughts, Walter,

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Speaker 14: you know, I agree with you. You know, we had

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Speaker 14: Jonathan Keeperman on just before the New Year, and one

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Speaker 14: of the things that he was saying is similar in

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Speaker 14: tone to what you're saying. You're saying, you know, the

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Speaker 14: ship is pointed in the right direction for probably the

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Speaker 14: first time in living memory, you know, and it's hard

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Speaker 14: to communicate that to a base that is not going

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Speaker 14: to be satisfied until you know, Fauci is strung up

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Speaker 14: by his entrails in the public square, right, So you've

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Speaker 14: got you've got these exactly over.

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Speaker 15: Always have to remind people, guys, we secured the border overnight.

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Speaker 15: That's such an unthinkably huge win that seemed impossible five

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Speaker 15: years ago.

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Speaker 1: One thousand percent.

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Speaker 14: And uh, you know, and yeah, there's other there's other

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Speaker 14: monsters to slay here. But you know, you you talk

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Speaker 14: about the sense of agency, and you talk about this

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Speaker 14: new footing that we found in Trump and I couldn't

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Speaker 14: help think about Charlie's reaction on election night, and I

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Speaker 14: know what that was. I don't know if you've ever

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Speaker 14: seen the clip, I have it ready to play.

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Speaker 9: I haven't.

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Speaker 14: I have it's it's a beautiful clip, and we were

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Speaker 14: all here. What was happening in that moment was Charlie

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Speaker 14: wouldn't let himself believe that it was possible until it

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Speaker 14: was done, because he.

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Speaker 1: Knew that he he was He needed wise.

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Speaker 14: He needed to keep pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, because the

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Speaker 14: agency that we had been robbed of in twenty twenty

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Speaker 14: in twenty twenty two, it was we were almost had

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Speaker 14: PTSD from it. And you could see this wiping away

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Speaker 14: from him in the moment, and I think that's why

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Speaker 14: it went so viral. Play cut two twenty three for Walter.

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Speaker 23: Fox News decides Donald Trump is president of the United States.

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Speaker 23: We've got our republic back, Volks, let's go there it is.

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Speaker 23: Everybody should remember this moment. Look, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 23: echo Charlie from earlier.

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Speaker 3: Remember where you were.

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Speaker 23: When this happened. Remember where you were when you realized

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Speaker 23: that the Uniparty and all these you know, just the establishment.

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Speaker 23: You said, it's time to actually participate. And look what

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Speaker 23: you guys have done.

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Speaker 1: And if anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes.

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Speaker 1: It's Charlie.

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Speaker 15: I think we all agree or something in the in

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Speaker 15: the breakroom.

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Speaker 1: No one has worked harder than Charlie.

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Speaker 23: We gotta we gotta hear some words here from you.

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Speaker 15: Charlie.

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Speaker 7: You put all this together, my.

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Speaker 9: Man, let's hear it.

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Speaker 1: I am just humbled by guys.

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Speaker 9: It's all got It's all got got along, got along.

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Speaker 23: That's decision desk has it, Pennsylvania, It's beginning.

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Speaker 1: That's a great clip. Boys, So he choked up watching it.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's I just remember feeling like I couldn't believe

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Speaker 14: it until it was true either.

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Speaker 7: And you need to tell you where I was on

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Speaker 7: election night. I was here in Livingston, Montana, where I live,

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Speaker 7: and I was at the Elks Club in downtown Livingston,

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Speaker 7: population seven thousand. My magazine Slash newspaper, the one I

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Speaker 7: help edit County Highway, which is an only in print paper,

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Speaker 7: had announced on X that we were having a party

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Speaker 7: at the Livingston Elks Club for election night. It was

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Speaker 7: not a partisan party. Any of our subscribers were welcome,

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Speaker 7: and so were people from town. Anybody who wanted to

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Speaker 7: come was welcome. It was not going to be a

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump celebration or Joe Biden celebration. It was simply

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Speaker 7: going to be a party for whoever showed up. Well,

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Speaker 7: hundreds of people showed up. All we did was announced

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Speaker 7: the invitation. They came from Europe, they came from all

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Speaker 7: over the country. They were not all uniformly pro Trump

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Speaker 7: by any means, by any means at all. We turned

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Speaker 7: on the We turned on the news at about five.

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Speaker 7: There were three TVs in the Elks Club. And then

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Speaker 7: we started talking with each other, and people started meeting

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Speaker 7: for the first time and talking about how they got

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Speaker 7: into Livingston, Montana, which is, yeah, you know, popular place

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Speaker 7: to vacation, but it's also an obscure spot. Well hours

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Speaker 7: went by in which people were more interested in talking

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Speaker 7: to each other than they were looking at the news.

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Speaker 7: And I finally, you know, kiped my head back up

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Speaker 7: at the screen, saw that Trump had it seemed resolutely.

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Speaker 14: One second, Walter, We're gonna keep going through the break.

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Speaker 14: Just one second. We'll be back with Real Market Voice

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Speaker 14: in a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 17: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 17: Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 17: Today marks the five year anniversary of the j six

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Speaker 17: demonstration at the US Capitol, and just in time for

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Speaker 17: today's anniversary, the White House is out with a brand

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Speaker 17: new page on white House dot gov telling the true

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Speaker 17: story of what happened that day. Real America's Voice Congressional

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Speaker 17: correspondent Benny Ray Harmony at the White House this morning

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Speaker 17: with the very latest on this. We spoke probably about

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Speaker 17: an hour ago or so, Benny ray Harmony, and shortly

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Speaker 17: after our conversation this page went live.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, Terrence, just about an hour ago, the White House

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Speaker 18: finally spoke out regarding the fifth year, the fifth anniversary

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Speaker 18: of January sixth. Now I have it pulled up right

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Speaker 18: here on my phone. On this white House dot gov

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Speaker 18: slash j six you can find video and video evidence

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Speaker 18: of Nancy Pelosi's involvement unaired HBO footage that was taken

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Speaker 18: by her daughter, of her taking full responsibility for this,

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Speaker 18: as well as a complete timeline of events the Trump

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Speaker 18: administration has broken down from the days before leading up

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Speaker 18: the day of, in the days following.

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Speaker 1: What the facts are.

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Speaker 18: In this case. And I think this is a perfect

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Speaker 18: thing for the Trump administration to do at this time,

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Speaker 18: especially with this this great march happening here in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 17: And what a huge release on this anniversary as the

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01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 17: reality is min and maer can simply want to know

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Speaker 17: what really happened. They don't want can jecture, they want.

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Speaker 1: Truth, No exactly.

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Speaker 18: And I think there's a lot of questions regarding around

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01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 18: that day as to was their ANTIFA members, was their

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Speaker 18: left leaning people in the crowd that were pretending to

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01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 18: be MAGA, pretending to be Trump supporters in order to

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01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 18: do this to make it look bad on the Trump administration.

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Speaker 18: And so I definitely encourage everyone go check out this

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Speaker 18: white House dot gov slash J six slash. You can

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01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 18: find every single thing that you need to know about

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Speaker 18: January sixth. On this day is we remember those that

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Speaker 18: lost their lives as well as all those J sixers

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Speaker 18: who are trying to get their lives back.

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Speaker 17: Terrence absolutely, Benny Ray Harmony reporting live from the White

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Speaker 17: House once again. White House dot gov slash J six.

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Speaker 17: You can go there for yourself and see this brand

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Speaker 17: new report from the White House on the events of

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Speaker 17: January sixth. You can see it for yourself. Well, that's

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Speaker 17: going to do it for us. Now, let's get you

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Speaker 17: back to the Charlie Kirkshaw.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 14: Private student loans debt in the US totals about three

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01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 14: hundred billion dollars, and about forty five billion of that

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Speaker 14: is labeled as distressed. Why Refi are good friends over

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Speaker 14: at Why Refi Refinance is distressed and defaulted private student

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Speaker 14: loans that others won't touch. They provide you with a

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Speaker 14: custom loan payment that's the key, based on your ability

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Speaker 14: to pay. So they're gonna look at your income, they're

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01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 14: gonna look at your expenses, They're gonna see what you

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Speaker 14: can afford and provide a solution custom tailor to your situation.

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Speaker 14: Why Refi is not a debt settlement company, and they

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Speaker 14: work with each borrower individually, tailoring each loan to each

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Speaker 14: borrower specific situation. They guarantee interest rates at under six percent.

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Speaker 14: They even let you skip a payment every six months

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Speaker 14: up to twelve times without payment. Y Refi offers a

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01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 14: three minute rate check without any credit impact. So if

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Speaker 14: you find yourself in a situation with private student loans,

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01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 14: you want to check out why Refi, so give them

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Speaker 14: a call at eight eight eight y Refi thirty four

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Speaker 14: eighty eight y Refi thirty four or log onto yrefi

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Speaker 14: dot com that's why are ef y dot com may

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Speaker 14: not be available in all fifty states, but if it's

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Speaker 14: available in your state and you have private student loan debt,

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01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 14: that's a problem. You're gonna want to check them out,

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01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 14: all right. So, Walter, you know, it occurs to me

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Speaker 14: that so much of what we're talking around here is

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01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 14: either a byproduct or a relative close cousin to this

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Speaker 14: media industrial complex that was blown up at the advent

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Speaker 14: of the Internet, and then it's been sort of this

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01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 14: slow death march, you know, cable cutters, things, you know,

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Speaker 14: we've been moving more digitally. That's created a massive opportunity

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01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 14: for shows like this. Creators like Charlie now myself from

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Speaker 14: Blake are now public figures. So it's but it's also

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Speaker 14: created a conundrum for truth, for veracity. How do you

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Speaker 14: verify things now we've got Ai Blake was just telling

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Speaker 14: me he couldn't verify whether Maderia.

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Speaker 15: It was crazy story that you've almost certainly heard where

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Speaker 15: they blew up Madag Chavez's mausoleum.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who goes shout. I can't I literally can't figure

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01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: out if it's true or not.

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01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 15: Because people are posting photos and other people are saying

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Speaker 15: that is an AI fake photo, and I haven't been

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Speaker 15: able to.

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Speaker 1: Look in deep enough and it either could be true.

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01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 1: So what do we do in this landscape?

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Speaker 15: There was another one someone posted a thread that was like,

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01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 15: I work at uber eats and they're scamming everyone and

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01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 15: like all their stuff, Like they're doing all this scummy

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01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 15: stuff like special expedited delivery stuff that's all fake. It's

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01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 15: just done to get more money out of you. And

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Speaker 15: he had all this evidence and he sent it to

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Speaker 15: a journalist and that was all AI fabrications. It was

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Speaker 15: like an AI done hit job against a food delivery company.

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Speaker 14: Well, all of these examples underscore the question I'm asking,

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Speaker 14: and I haven't really distilled it in a very good

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01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 14: good question yet, But will do you strike me as

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Speaker 14: a guy who is, you know, very concerned with what

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Speaker 14: is the ultimate truth?

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Speaker 1: What is the deepest truth?

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Speaker 14: What do we do when you have a population of

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01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 14: three hundred and fifty million people, not to mention the

1523
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 14: global population all trying to suss through these different, you know,

1524
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 14: disparate information streams. How do you get everybody on the

1525
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 14: same page, How do you how do you get truth across?

1526
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: What do we do in this in this landscape.

1527
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,799
Speaker 7: You don't try to get everyone on the same page.

1528
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:26,839
Speaker 7: That was an illusion in a grandiose mythological white whale

1529
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 7: that was pursued in the age of television and mass media.

1530
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 7: It's no longer possible, and I don't think it's any

1531
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 7: longer desirable. One of the virtues of people not knowing

1532
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 7: what's real beyond the horizon is that they start concentrating

1533
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 7: on what's within their horizon. We have spent far too

1534
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 7: long in the United States knowing what's going on in

1535
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 7: New York, knowing what's going on in Los Angeles, knowing

1536
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 7: what's going on in Washington, and not knowing what's going

1537
01:19:55,439 --> 01:20:02,799
Speaker 7: on across the street. The the difficulty of painting truth

1538
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 7: about what's going on around the world should cause us,

1539
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 7: I think, to slightly give up on it, because there

1540
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 7: is a family, a house, a street, a town, a neighborhood,

1541
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 7: a church, a group of friends that needs your attention.

1542
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 7: I promise you those were the things that they tried

1543
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 7: to break up during COVID. When the powers that be

1544
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:30,440
Speaker 7: tried to leverage that pandemic into permanent rule for themselves,

1545
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 7: they knew that their first strike had to be at

1546
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 7: your church, at your hardware store, at your grocery store,

1547
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 7: at your family, at your dinner table. Well, those are

1548
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 7: the things you have to reclaim first. You know, I

1549
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 7: have a friend who's very into solar magnetic storms and

1550
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 7: sort of doom and apocalypse around, you know, big earth

1551
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 7: changes and so on. And I thought to myself one

1552
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 7: night he'd warned me that there was a big ejection

1553
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 7: of plasma from the sun and might all the lights

1554
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,679
Speaker 7: might go out. And I said, well, if the lights

1555
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 7: go out, where do I start? What do I do next?

1556
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 7: I figure out who I can trust, I figure out

1557
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 7: what I have to trade. I figure out, you know,

1558
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,799
Speaker 7: what I can defend and who I'm going to defend.

1559
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 7: And all those questions that would come in the wake

1560
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 7: of a disaster are ones that we need to be

1561
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 7: asking right now, because the disaster is this, as you say,

1562
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 7: melting of reality and starting on first principles and starting

1563
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 7: at home and starting with the world you can look

1564
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 7: around and see with your own eyes is the solution.

1565
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 7: And then those pods, as it were, those cells, just

1566
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 7: like the body. The body isn't made of some big

1567
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 7: giant piece of you know, chicken McNugget. It's got cells

1568
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 7: in it, little active, isolated engines that link up and

1569
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 7: work together, and at the cellular lefe Well, we have

1570
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 7: to I think renew our uh you know, renew our

1571
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 7: contracts if we're going to have a bigger social contract.

1572
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 7: And this vain thought that everybody is going to be

1573
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 7: guided by some obelisk that beams truth down from the

1574
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 7: central authorities is does not serve us. Well, it causes

1575
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 7: it to ignore our own garden.

1576
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 1: Mhmm. Yeah, I love. I love what you're saying.

1577
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 14: I mean we've been, you know, saying for a long

1578
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 14: time politics starts local, and you're kind of broadening that

1579
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 14: conversation to sort of say, look.

1580
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 15: We just got an email today someone who said they

1581
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 15: were inspired to get involved in Maricopa County politics.

1582
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 1: Great Charlie.

1583
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, absolutely, I mean that is that is where

1584
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 14: it starts, you know, Walter, I mean, I gotcha. My

1585
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 14: problem with you, Walter is I want to talk about

1586
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 14: too many things and there's just not enough time.

1587
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 7: Well, I'll come back.

1588
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 14: I'm still bound by the clock here. I yeah, I

1589
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 14: would be remiss if I didn't give you an opportunity

1590
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 14: to talk about what Charlie's assassination meant for our country.

1591
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 14: And you know, as I'm hearing you talk earlier, you

1592
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 14: mentioned Nick Shirley and this sort of new wave that

1593
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 14: is slowly kind of forming. You've got Dan Bongino that's

1594
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 14: coming back, and he's right, you know, he's saying he's

1595
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 14: gonna wage war on certain you know, influences within maybe

1596
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 14: the conservative movement and beyond.

1597
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting. I believed, in my whole heart.

1598
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 14: Especially after we got past the memorial, that there was

1599
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 14: gonna be this sifting of the movement. There was gonna

1600
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 14: be this like this changing of the guard, sort of

1601
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 14: a new out of necessity, this newness that was going

1602
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 14: to be created out of the chaos and the loss.

1603
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 14: And I just so, without feeding you answers, I want

1604
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 14: to hear what you have to say, but I believe

1605
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 14: that there is something that we are observing. It it

1606
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 14: will not become clear to us until some time now.

1607
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 14: But what what did losing Charlie? What did you observe?

1608
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 14: What did it mean? And where are we going next?

1609
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 7: Well, to be very cold about it and systematic, as

1610
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 7: though I don't have a heart. A power vacuum develops

1611
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 7: when someone of Charlie's magnitude and competence and gifts is lost,

1612
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 7: and in that power vacuum, all sorts of opportunistic creatures

1613
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 7: come rushing in and they live by the law of

1614
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 7: the jungle. How much space that has been left vacant

1615
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 7: can I occupy? How securely can I occupy it? How

1616
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 7: can I fend off competitors? And that was a frankly

1617
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 7: ugly process to watch, and I guess it still goes

1618
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 7: on to some extent, But in another way, it's a

1619
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 7: tribute to how big a space he occupied that it was,

1620
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 7: that it left so much vacant for so many sort

1621
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 7: of competitive Darwinian struggles over power and attention.

1622
01:24:58,360 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: But I think the.

1623
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 7: Real meaning of the thing is the meaning of the

1624
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 7: moment after that I felt and others felt, which was

1625
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 7: someone has just given in what it was not understood

1626
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 7: as a war but suddenly looks like one because of

1627
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 7: the combatant falling given everything. And he's given everything in

1628
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 7: the purest way. He he, he. You know, he wasn't

1629
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:24,560
Speaker 7: a man behind us a plexiglass. He was someone openly

1630
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 7: sitting with a square stance before a crowd of his

1631
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 7: fellow Americans, taking all comers, listening and speaking back. He

1632
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 7: was the avatar of openness he and that that openness

1633
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 7: was rewarded with destruction was I think a shock that

1634
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 7: showed us how far we'd gone, how far we'd fallen.

1635
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 7: You know, when when when, truly you know, when demagogues

1636
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 7: and people who are you know, have armies behind them

1637
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 7: and so on, are assassin well, you know, h that

1638
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 7: they kind of lived by the sword. But to live,

1639
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 7: but to live by the word and die by the

1640
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 7: sword is a whole other thing. And to watch someone

1641
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 7: who lived by the word die by the sword was

1642
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 7: a terrible moment, and it affected me deeply. I'll be

1643
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 7: honest with you. I'm a little old for you know,

1644
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 7: campus activism and and a lot of the other things

1645
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 7: that try would take you all well.

1646
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know I was.

1647
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 7: I was. I was aware with him, aware of him

1648
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 7: in my peripheral vision, and suddenly when he moved to

1649
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 7: the center of my vision in this terrible way, terrible way,

1650
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 7: I saw the best and worst of America in one

1651
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 7: lightning flash. I saw someone who still believed that freedom

1652
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 7: of speech a sort of candor about your spiritual and

1653
01:26:54,560 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 7: religious beliefs uh in dialogue with people who maybe flat

1654
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 7: out opposed them can still lead to a happy ending.

1655
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 7: That faith lives on. It was liberated from his body,

1656
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 7: but it's spread everywhere, and I think it's starting to

1657
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:19,919
Speaker 7: reassemble itself after a period of darkness. I mean, everybody

1658
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 7: was traumatized, whether they know it or not. And some

1659
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 7: people aren't their best under trauma. You know, they become

1660
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 7: very selfish or even kind of evil. But there is

1661
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 7: a waking up to the fact that this was a

1662
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 7: good force. It was almost too good for the world.

1663
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 7: It was dispersed by hatred, envy, of resentment, jealousy, perhaps.

1664
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 15: Even I mean, you won't think I think it is

1665
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 15: the best thing about this horrible tragedy that I've brought

1666
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 15: up is Charlie truly was cut down at his absolute peak,

1667
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 15: and so in a sense, his peak does live on forever.

1668
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 15: He's always as he was on that campus in throughout

1669
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,719
Speaker 15: the year twenty twenty five. He was at his peak

1670
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,759
Speaker 15: form in terms of argument, he was at his peak

1671
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 15: form in terms of how well he lived his life.

1672
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 15: He was getting better and better, and there's something very

1673
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 15: there's something very powerful about that, and that's a lot

1674
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 15: of the power of martyrs is the way they can

1675
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 15: endure forever. You never have to see them make mistakes

1676
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 15: or get old or lose their fastball.

1677
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 1: They're always in that pristine form. Yeah, Blake.

1678
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 14: Blake helped write the eulogy that we published at tposa

1679
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 14: dot com the day after, and I still don't know

1680
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 14: how you wrote.

1681
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 1: It, Blake.

1682
01:28:54,000 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 14: As in the morning Charlie died, I basically shell shocked,

1683
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 14: like the world didn't make sense. I remember trying, you know,

1684
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 14: I was supposed to get out a statement, you know,

1685
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 14: about Charlie. We had received word that he had he

1686
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 14: was gone, you know, because there was some confusion about that,

1687
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 14: and I remember trying to write, you know, whatever it

1688
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 14: was I was supposed to write. And President Trump ended

1689
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 14: up true socially that Charlie was dead, and I remember

1690
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 14: just being so relieved. I mean, I couldn't put one

1691
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 14: foot in front of the other. It was like, you know,

1692
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 14: it was like that scene out of Saving Private Ryan,

1693
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 14: where it was just you know, it's just everything was

1694
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 14: moving in slow motion, but my body couldn't I couldn't

1695
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 14: make it function. So the fact that Blake in the

1696
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 14: in the middle of that night got the words out.

1697
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 14: But one of the things he said was that you know,

1698
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 14: Charlie will will never grow old. You know, we'll never

1699
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 14: see him, you know, lose lose any of the grandeur

1700
01:29:55,360 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 14: and the glory of his youth. And I guess in

1701
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 14: some ways this far removed from it. I feel comforted

1702
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 14: in some ways that I always get to remember him

1703
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 14: that way, but I hate that I have to remember

1704
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 14: him too. So it's a bittersweet feeling. But I know

1705
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 14: that he's gone and there's no bringing him back.

1706
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 7: But well, you know, I don't mean to be disputatious

1707
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:22,839
Speaker 7: or niggling, but I don't think he was at his peak.

1708
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 7: I think he was.

1709
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: I actually agree with this.

1710
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 7: I think he was ascending toward his peak. He was

1711
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 7: on an obvious track. He had momentum. He was like,

1712
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 7: he was like a mountain climber who can suddenly see

1713
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 7: the top of the mountain, the top of Everest. They've

1714
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 7: got their pack, and you know they're going to get there,

1715
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,879
Speaker 7: you know they're going to even get there or beyond,

1716
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 7: and suddenly it's over. What that You know that happens

1717
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 7: to poets, rock stars, saints and a lot of people

1718
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 7: who die young and yet inspire us to pick up

1719
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 7: their pack and carry it and I think we're going

1720
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:04,719
Speaker 7: to have to go where he was going.

1721
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: I totally.

1722
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 14: I mean, a lot of people, you know, speculate was

1723
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 14: Charlie going to be president?

1724
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: Who knows?

1725
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 7: He was the kind of he was the kind of

1726
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 7: guy what I love about him. What I love about

1727
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 7: him was that he seemed like he still had the

1728
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 7: ability to change, He still had the ability to learn

1729
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 7: and to formulate new conclusions. Hey, he might have gotten

1730
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 7: to age thirty five and decided, I don't want to

1731
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 7: be the president of the United States. I want to

1732
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 7: be X or I want to you know, write a

1733
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 7: book or whatever it was. I mean, though, he was

1734
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Speaker 7: dedicated to action and the turning Point I think is

1735
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 7: most impressive to me in terms of getting stuff done.

1736
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 7: Like turning Point, people wake up every day and they

1737
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 7: achieve goals that are small in the short term and

1738
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 7: huge in the long term. And we're not a society

1739
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 7: like that anymore. To see anybody be effective anymore, especially

1740
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 7: in a large scale movement, is astonishing, you know, and

1741
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 7: especially without tons of money. But I think that, you know,

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Speaker 7: he uh, I don't know what my original point was.

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Speaker 24: Actually I straight a bit there, But I don't know

1744
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 24: how he would have ended up. I only know that

1745
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 24: wherever he chose to go, he would have gotten there,

1746
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 24: and he would have gotten there.

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01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 7: Superbly.

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Speaker 15: What if he wasn't waiting, What if he'd really gone

1749
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 15: for becoming a college football coach?

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01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: That was what you said.

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01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:33,640
Speaker 15: He always said if he got tired of gave up,

1752
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 15: he would just quit and coach college He would.

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01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 14: He would joke at our chat all the time. He'd

1754
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 14: be like, fine, I give up.

1755
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 1: You know I quit. I retired. He's like, I'm gonna

1756
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:41,839
Speaker 1: go coach college football.

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01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 15: Universe where people are like, did you know that that

1758
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 15: college football coach?

1759
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 1: He's studio political opera.

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01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 14: Exactly, Walter, You, you and Matt have a great show.

1761
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 14: I want to make sure people know where to find

1762
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 14: it and how to follow you on that stuff. We

1763
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 14: still have about six minutes here, but I really really

1764
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,600
Speaker 14: love your guys his content there, So please like, what

1765
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,679
Speaker 14: are you doing with Matt? And what should what should

1766
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 14: people know about what you're up to?

1767
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 7: So, Matt Tayibe is a muck raking reporter from the left. Really,

1768
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 7: I think he was at his greatest fame during the

1769
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 7: Occupy Wall Street years as he basically took on high

1770
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 7: finance and showed they had committed crimes all through what

1771
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 7: we now call the financial crisis. But like me, sometime

1772
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 7: around the first year of the Trump president's first Trump presidency,

1773
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 7: he started to see his colleagues fall for this ridiculous

1774
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 7: and un you know, unverifiable story of Trump being a

1775
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 7: Russian agent, and it alienated him from his cohort, as

1776
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 7: it did me. I was probably a little more to

1777
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:54,600
Speaker 7: the right than Matt taibe are a little more to

1778
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 7: the center. But we both found ourselves after a few

1779
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 7: years feeling deserted by are supposedly principled and supposedly conscientious colleagues,

1780
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 7: and so we came together in a sense of in

1781
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 7: the sense of both being stranded by not getting on

1782
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:16,680
Speaker 7: the rushigate train. And what we try to do on

1783
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 7: our podcast that's a huge sports fan and is give

1784
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 7: you a sort of skybox play by play, a big

1785
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 7: picture narration of events as though they were a game.

1786
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 7: Now we realize they're not a game, but we try

1787
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 7: to treat them as one, with a lot of humor,

1788
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 7: with a lot of you know, mischief, and kind of

1789
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:45,799
Speaker 7: pop cultural reference, so that the heaviness of things doesn't

1790
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 7: destroy people. It's important to keep a light spirit. And

1791
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 7: when you talk about black pilling, absolutely, when you talk

1792
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 7: about black pilling, you're talking about the thing that bothers

1793
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 7: me most. And people who want good things to happen,

1794
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 7: despair is a sin, and spreading despair is practically the

1795
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 7: sin that they tell us is the unforgivable sin against

1796
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:15,879
Speaker 7: the Holy Spirit. When you try to destroy someone's spirit

1797
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 7: with pessimism, with cynicism, and you know, a little bit

1798
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 7: of that goes a long way, but when you try

1799
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 7: to give them the feeling that nothing you can do,

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01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 7: nothing you can say, and no one you can appeal

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01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 7: to will it ever help you. It's lost and you're

1802
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 7: just living out the clock on this earth, feeling the

1803
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 7: pain and feeling the depression. You may as well go

1804
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 7: kill yourself. Well, that for me is that for me

1805
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 7: is the enemy in all respects. Because as long as

1806
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,759
Speaker 7: you have a lightness, as long as you have a flow,

1807
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 7: as long as you have sort of a light on

1808
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 7: in your heart and in your mind, there's a chance

1809
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 7: for change. But that is absolute death. And the black

1810
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,719
Speaker 7: pill people who tell you know you've been betrayed again

1811
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 7: don't expect anything, and they think they're being grown up,

1812
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 7: and they think they're being sophisticated, but what they're really

1813
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 7: doing is sending you to an early grave. And what

1814
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 7: they're really doing is opening the way for the true cynics,

1815
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 7: the psychopaths, the powermongers, to own you forever and enslave you.

1816
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 7: And so what Matt and I do is, if anything,

1817
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 7: an assault on the black pillars, you can still laugh

1818
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 7: no matter how dark things get.

1819
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 15: All right, Well, before we go, if you had to

1820
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 15: recommend one of your books two people who are watching

1821
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 15: or listening to this, what would you say.

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01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 7: You know, funny, there's a book with a terrible cover

1823
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,719
Speaker 7: right there called Mission to America. Look at that terrible cover.

1824
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,679
Speaker 7: I mean, they did not even have AI as an excuse.

1825
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 7: And it's a story of it's a story of two

1826
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 7: missionaries who grow up and what's basically a cult isolated

1827
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 7: in the mountains of Montana, which hasn't gotten out into

1828
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 7: the world for one hundred years, and it's become so inbred,

1829
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 7: literally genetically inbred, that they're sent out in a van

1830
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 7: to try to get female converts in America two thousand

1831
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 7: and five, and they leave their mountain valley having never

1832
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 7: watched television, you know, being as innocent as Martians practically,

1833
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 7: and they hit the road to bring people to their

1834
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,600
Speaker 7: belief system. And it's a story about faith. It's a

1835
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 7: story about modernity versus you know, the old ways, and

1836
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 7: it's a story about vulnerability, because I mean, the first

1837
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 7: time they sit down in a motel to turn on TV,

1838
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 7: they're there for eighteen hours. You know, they have no

1839
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:48,719
Speaker 7: immunity to it. So I try, I try to show

1840
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 7: modern America from the point of view of people who

1841
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 7: aren't immune to its seductions, and it's you know, it's

1842
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 7: poisons and so on.

1843
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 1: I love that the way you describe it.

1844
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 14: I've been describing the a lot like this lately, about

1845
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 14: we build up this immunity to things. And next time

1846
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 14: I have you on, Walter, I want. I feel like

1847
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 14: since Trump came down those golden escalators, we as a

1848
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 14: country have been building immunities to the fake news, to

1849
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 14: the to the propaganda, to psyops, to color revolutions, to hoaxes.

1850
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 5: Uh.

1851
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,480
Speaker 14: And I would be super curious to have a conversation

1852
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 14: in depth about the the immunities that we're growing now,

1853
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 14: because I think when we're talking about black pillar immunities,

1854
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 14: we're talking about this vacuum of this laws of the jungle.

1855
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 14: We're sort of building immunities to that. I have to

1856
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 14: believe good will win out. Truth will win out. But Walter,

1857
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:41,799
Speaker 14: it's been an absolute pleasure to Oh.

1858
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 7: We know it will in the end.

1859
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's the short term. We're worried. I know exactly,

1860
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 1: the midterms. That's what we're worried about. Walter.

1861
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 14: Yeah, and I want to talk to you next time

1862
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 14: about your conversion to faith, because you you were not

1863
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 14: a theist and now you are, and I would love

1864
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 14: to hear more about that. You've even in our calls, uh, Walter,

1865
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 14: that we had after we met you at Megan's, you've

1866
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 14: you've hinted at it, but I haven't got the details.

1867
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 14: So Walter Kerrn, the Great Walter Kern, will have you

1868
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 14: back again as soon as you'll have us.

1869
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 1: Thank you so.

1870
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 14: Much, thank you, and thank you blag and God bless

1871
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 14: Real America's Voice for keeping us through.

1872
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,799
Speaker 1: Thank you guys. We'll see you tomorrow.