1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, Time, Time, Luck and Load film 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: Michael Veri Show is on the air, even unders our 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: guests as a former Capital City Police chief, a position 4 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: he held on January sixth, twenty twenty one. I wanted 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 1: to make the point with his background. This guy's not 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: a lightweight. He's got a BS, a MS from Johns 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: Hopkins University, a pretty high brow, rigorous academic background. He 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: has an MA and homeland security from the Naval Postgraduate School. 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: This guy is thoughtful about strategy and operations and logistics 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: in law enforcement. It's what he's devoted his life to. 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: This isn't somebody who rolls through the ranks because they 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: checked the right box that they weren't a white male. 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: He is, in fact a white male. This is a 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: guy who, by all accounts, and I think he has demonstrated, 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: cares deeply about law and order and security and preserving 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: the peace. And that's to be respected. So now we 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: get to January sixth. I know you've told this story 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: because I've seen you tell this story. I wish i'd 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: let you tell your story in public, but let's walk through. 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: I won't interrupt you. Why don't you tell the story 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: as you know it of January sixth, I. 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: Will I think your listeners will definitely be surprised about 23 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: what they're about to hear because a lot of people 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: will hear about, you know, Trump offering National Guard and 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: what happened to the Nationalard and stuff like this. You're 26 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: going to hear the truth. This truth has been upheld 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: by congressional hearings. I come with the facts. I'm thirty 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: years law enforcement. I'm not going to say something that 29 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: I can't back up. So let's take you back to 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: the Sunday before January sixth, January third, it was the 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: first day of the one hundred and seventeenth Congress, regardless 32 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: if it falls on a weekend, and January third is 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: always going to be the first day of a new Congress. 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: When it comes in a session, we do all the 35 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: swearing ends of the members of Congress. So it's a 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: big day up on Capitol Hill. I had been kind 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: of watching, you know, the crowd sides that were coming in. 38 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: In mind you the intelligence I was getting in the 39 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: intelligence and a whole other issue of what the intelligence 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: I was getting didn't say anything about any type of 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: coordinated attack at the capital, any threat to the federal billings, 42 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: or to the Capital, or to members of Congress, nothing 43 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 2: like that. I was just concerned about the size of 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: the crowd and the number of officers I had to 45 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: put on my perimeter. I had four foot high bike 46 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: rack that was going to surround the Capitol, which is 47 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: a sizeable area. I only had two hundred and seventy 48 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: three officers to put on that perimeter, and that included 49 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: response officers for civil disobedience. So it wasn't a whole 50 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: lot of officers. Because we had a joint session of 51 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: excuse me, a joint session of Congress, it took a 52 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: lot of my personnel inside of the building. So i'd 53 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: gone over to the Senate. The House Sergeant Arms. I'm 54 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: acquired by my federal law is another interesting thing. If 55 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: I want to bring in any assistance for my officers, 56 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: any federal assistance, whether it's being National Guard, any federal assistance, 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: I have to buy law. It's to us nineteen seventy 58 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: get permission from the Capitol Police Board. So Sunday morning, 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: nine thirty five, I went over to see the House 60 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: Sergeant Arms. Guy by the name of Paul Irving, who 61 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: I knew. He carried most of the weight. He was 62 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: the big, heavy hitter. Everyone kind of listened to him 63 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: on the Capitol police board. I know this would be 64 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: a sensitive topic for him, but I went over to 65 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: ask for national Guard support specifically, just for the premiter 66 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: unarmed national Guard support. I wasn't asking for farm nation 67 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: Guard support at that time. 68 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: He didn't approve it. 69 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: He didn't aprove it specifically because he said he didn't 70 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: like the optics of the national Guards standing a line 71 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: with the Capitol in the background. And I think that 72 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: was because he felt is his boss, his main boss, 73 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: Speaker Pelosi would have gotten upset about it. And he 74 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: also said the intelligence didn't support it. Well, yeah, I 75 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: understand the intelligen didn't support it, but I still worried 76 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: about the size of the crowds, and I told him, 77 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: you know that I'm worried about the side of the 78 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: crowds and I'd like to have some resources on the 79 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: Premier with my officers. Again, he at that point, can. 80 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: You give us a time from again? When was this conversation? 81 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: Roughly, the conversation was on Monday, January third, three days 82 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: before January sixth. 83 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so plenty of time to muster troops if you 84 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: need them. 85 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: Plenty of times the muster mustard troops we've we've used, 86 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: you know, in my in my history with d C 87 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: Police and even with with Capitol Police, who even National Guard, 88 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: And there's plenty of time. But it gets it gets 89 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: even better because I'm going to tell you how we 90 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: knew the Nation Guard was prepared. So he refers me 91 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: over to Mike Snayer, who's now the chairman of the 92 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: Capitol Police Board and he became the chairman on that day. 93 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: I went over to his office. Mike Snaer was and 94 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: and I came back later on, right a little bit 95 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: after eleven. He's in the office and I can tell 96 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: he's already been given heads up. I'm coming over to 97 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: ask for National Guard. When I asked for National Board support, 98 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: he won't approve it. Again, he's concerned. Later on he 99 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: in April that after January sixth, I finally asked me 100 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: and said he do you know I was coming over, 101 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: said Irvi and told him, but anyway, he wouldn't. He 102 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: wouldn't approve it. He said, you know, watch call. Do 103 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: you know anybody at the DC National Guard if we 104 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: need their assistance? How quickly could they get here? And 105 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: I know the commanding General of the DC National Guard, 106 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: William Walker. General Walker. I told I can call General Walker, 107 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: but that's still not going to help us. We have, 108 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: you know, issues on the premier. But he said, I 109 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: got a run out. He's going to the swearing in 110 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: of members of Congress, and he said, that's that's the 111 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: best we're going to do. He wouldn't approve it, so 112 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: he leaves out. I go back to my office later 113 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: on that day, just the hert time. 114 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: Later, I get back. 115 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: One of my deput chief's approaches me and says, we 116 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: received a call from Carol Corman. She's the program manager 117 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: for the Defense Support for Civil Authorities, which is the 118 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: National Guard, and coming to support you know, civil authorities 119 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: law enforcement it's needed. She was calling to ask if 120 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: we were going to be requesting the National Guard for 121 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: January six Now I had just been denied twice my 122 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: request for the use of the National Guard on January sixth, 123 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: and by the law, I had to tell him to 124 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: tell her no, we aren't. I've dealt with her before 125 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: because I'd been denied, so coming into January sixth, I 126 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: don't have that Pentagon had offered National Guard. I had 127 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: to turn it down. I'd been denied twice by the 128 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: House and Senate Sergeant Arms. So coming into January sixth, 129 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: twelve fifty eight, in the command center, we're working with 130 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: the pipe bomb that we started dealing with down at 131 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: the Republican Nation from Committee, which is just a couple 132 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: of blocks south of the US Capital. 133 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: We had been alerted of a pipe bomb. 134 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: I want to say, right around twelve forty one pm, 135 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 2: we're dealing with that. I mean, my watchman are showing 136 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: me some pictures of the pipe bomb. When somebody says 137 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: we have a large crowd approaching our west front, I 138 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: look up, but we have cameras. There's two roadways coming 139 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 2: up toward the west front, right next to the reflecting Pool, 140 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania Avenue, Maryland Avenue, coming up to two circles. I 141 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: see a couple of hundred people at each of the 142 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: circles approaching our fence line, and some of the people 143 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: in the group got very confrontational and physical with the 144 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: officers very quickly. I've handled lots of protests. I've seen 145 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: lots of you know, where the marchers come up to 146 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: the line, the gate and we'll usually have ten fifteen 147 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: minutes of back and forth where they're yelling, and so 148 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: I got before he gets to this point. This was 149 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: a matter of a matter of minutes before they started 150 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: pulling out the gate and swinging at my officers. And 151 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: again this was a core group of people that were 152 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: in the in the crowd. So I look down, that's 153 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: twelve fifty three, see what's going on. I, you know, 154 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: having come from DC Police, I reach over to decent 155 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 2: Police and say, hey, if you guys get some resources, 156 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: send them our way. And then at twelve fifty eight, 157 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: I called the Senate Star of the I'm sorry the 158 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: House stars and arms Paul Irving to request permission. I'm 159 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: still required by law to request permission even in an emergency. 160 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: Now Congress has since changed that law December of twenty 161 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: twenty one. They changed it and allows the chiefs calling 162 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: resources that having to go to this. But anyway, they say, 163 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: admitted the failure. So twelve fifty eight, I call Paul Irving. 164 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: It took eleven calls. 165 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: Let me back up. 166 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: I start following myself. My adrenaline start pumping when I'm 167 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: talking about this. So when I first called him, I 168 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: said it's bad on the West Front. My officers are 169 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: getting overrun. I need federal resources, and now I need 170 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: permission to call them the National Art. He says to me, quote, 171 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: let me run this up the chain and I'll be 172 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: right back to you. So he and he has a 173 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: liaison officer sitting right behind me watching the same thing 174 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: I'm seeing on my screens. I get off the phone. 175 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: I'm dumbfounded. I'm seeing again. My officer is now backing 176 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: up as the crowd's getting starting to move on the Capitol. 177 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: So I called Mike Stinger, the Senate surgeon arms call 178 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: him immediately and say, hey, you know we're getting over 179 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: run again. 180 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: He has the eas I'm sitting right by me. I 181 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: need a media permission to bring in the National Guard. 182 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: He said, what did Paul Irving tell you. 183 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: That he's going to run it up the chain? I 184 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: mean he's going to run it. 185 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: Speak a closi. 186 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: You can get right back to me, he said, let's 187 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: wait to hear from Paul Irving. I made eleven more 188 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: phone calls to the two of them seventy one minutes 189 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: before I. 190 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: Finally got approval at two nine pm. And Michael Berry. 191 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: Joke the good Chief of the Capitol Police on January sixth, 192 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, with Stephen sond He's our guest telling 193 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 4: his story. 194 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: And we were now in the middle of the afternoon. 195 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: You've waited over an hour, You've made a number of calls. 196 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: The situation is turning in your estimation. Are the people 197 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: who are beginning to approach the capital do you suspect 198 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: that any of those individuals are federal plants? Do you 199 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: suspect that they're paid activists? Do you think they're just 200 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: people who showed up or frustrated? Do you have a 201 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: sense of that? 202 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: So are you asking like at the time or are 203 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: you asking now that I reflect back on it. 204 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked. I guess both would be important 205 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: to know. 206 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 207 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: So at the time, all I was thinking about it 208 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 2: we get my officers some assistants. 209 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 3: Uh. They were they were getting rear ends handed to them. Uh. 210 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: And I need to get them some assistants real quick. 211 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: And I was just dumbfounded as repeatedly denials and delays 212 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 2: I was getting. You know, looking back on it, you 213 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: know I keep hearing I try and you know. 214 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: Really stick to it. 215 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: Be a person of the facts. If I know facts, 216 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: I'm going to pass them on. You know, I hear 217 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: a lot about you know, there could have been tief 218 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: in the in the crowd. There could have been you know, 219 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: different people in the crowd very well could be if 220 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: I if I had facts that I'd absolutely pass that, 221 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: pass that on to you. Looking at some of the videos, 222 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 2: you see a lot of people all wearing you know, 223 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: it looks like brand new acquitting, brand new hats, flag 224 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: stuff like that. Who knows who is what that that 225 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: could tell you, But I will tell you, you know, I've 226 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: suspected you know, all along, and it wouldn't be unusual 227 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: front event in Washington. See when you talk about federal agents, 228 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: whether it's a Fourth July celebration, a state funeral, a 229 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: uh cherry Boston parade paper even something like that. We 230 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: we still have, you know, put together some of these 231 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: plain closed teams that oftentimes are made up of you know, 232 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: people from the Washington Field Office, the FBI, Secret Service, 233 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: some of the Joint Terrorist Passforce members just to go 234 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: out there and keep an eye look for any issues 235 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: or if we get a suspicious package, you can you know, 236 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: respond to the suspecial package quickly to start making assessments, 237 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: So it wouldn't I wouldn't have been surprised to think, okay, 238 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: we did some some plain closed assets. 239 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 3: In the in the crowd. But you know, as I 240 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: began to do. 241 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: My research, and you know, I got I literally got 242 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: stripped out of my office the very next day and 243 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: I hopefully we have time to get to that. And 244 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: I literally sat at home and I had people come 245 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: out of the woodwork. I had whistle blowers comounts start 246 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: information to me and found out that the FBI had 247 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 2: been receiving information just prior to January sixth that indicated 248 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: there's several what they considered domestic terrorists that were most 249 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: likely planning to come to Washington, d C. 250 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: For the event. 251 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: Then as we got closer, the numbers seem to seem 252 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: to get higher. So you know, and I found this 253 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: in the aftermat that at one point they were tracking 254 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 2: nineteen people that were on their domestic terrorists list as 255 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 2: coming to planning on coming to Washingt d C. Now, 256 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: I can tell you this, they're not tracking them with. 257 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: Just nobody. They're going to be tracking them with agents. 258 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: If they think somebody comes in, they know they have 259 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: a flight coming in or something like that, they're going 260 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: to be. 261 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: Putting eyes on these people. 262 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: So it wouldn't you know, if we're we have that 263 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: many people that they suspect our domestic terrorists, I suspect 264 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: you're going to have significant resource in the crowd watching them. 265 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: So that's where I based my opinion on. Now, Christopher 266 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: Ray has come out and said that there was a 267 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: number of what they call confidential human sources chs is 268 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: in the crowd. Some people have said hs is were 269 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,119 Speaker 2: the ones watching the uh uh, their domestic terrorist targets. 270 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: I don't buy that. 271 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 2: That's not what I consider the police work, because you 272 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 2: can only trust the CHS so much. But that's where 273 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: I always base my opinion on that. You know what, 274 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: I would have been surprised and there's playing closed ass 275 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: in the growd. But when you start hearing about you know, 276 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: there's some of these people that are out there that 277 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 2: are pushing them to get into the capital and move 278 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: on the capitol. H I find that very very concerning 279 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: and if and if proven be true, that's you know, 280 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: that's definitely not what they're supposed to be doing. And 281 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: that is you know, contrary to the oath of oath 282 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: they take. 283 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: I know, you choose your words carefully, not out of cowardice, 284 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: but out of caution. Is it outside the realm that 285 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: that could be the case, outside the realm that some 286 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: people could. 287 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: Be pushing pushing the group. 288 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 2: Well, when you act and you think about, why why 289 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: am I denying repeatedly in advance? Why am I denying 290 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: while you know, just to blake that while my officers 291 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: are under attack, And then I run into problems with 292 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: the with the Pentagon. Finally, once I do get approval 293 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: approving my request, and now we find out that there's 294 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: probably some influence coming from General Millie on on that 295 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: the influence on from General Milly onto Acting Secretary Defense 296 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: Christopher Miller, that caused him to place additional restrictions on 297 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: the National Bard that no one knew about. When you 298 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: start looking at that, you're like, yeah, this really, you know, 299 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: it could make a really interesting conspiracy theory novel when 300 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: you look at what was going on in. 301 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: That aspect, and you know, really, who who is you? 302 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 2: You know getting the most traction out of the whole 303 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: January sixth initiative. You know, we haven't been able to 304 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 2: identify the pipe bomber yet. 305 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: Which is. 306 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: I find that very interesting, but you know, I mean, 307 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: you know, your listeners probably would be surprised. And when 308 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: I activated mutual aid, the New Jersey State Police made 309 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: it before the DC National Guard coming down to the 310 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: DC Nation Guard had one hundred and fifty five troops 311 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 2: with an eyesight of Capital and they didn't get the 312 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: until five forty pm at night, once all the fighting 313 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: was over. And remember I told you well when I 314 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: called when I finally got in touch with the Pentagon, 315 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 2: the Pentagon wanted me on a conference call. This was 316 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 2: brought on two thirty four pm. They wanted me on 317 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: a conference call to then find out why I'm requesting 318 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: National Guard. I think that would have been fairly self 319 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: evident with anybody watching this on TV. But I'm on 320 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: the phone with the guy mat by the name of 321 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: Lieutenant General Walter Pyat, also on the phone with me 322 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: as mayor bounser, Chief of Police for the DC, Plice 323 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: for Robert Conti, the Director of Emergency Manageer for DC, 324 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: a number of other people, including a guy that at 325 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: one point was the Army's Acting General Council, Colonel Earl Matthews. 326 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: He has since come out as a whistleblower on my 327 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: behalf and I told him, I said, I need a 328 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: National Guard support immediately. This is a life and death situation. 329 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: They've now gotten into the Capitol. We're battling to keep 330 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: him out of the capital. And he tells me the 331 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: exact same thing. Paul Irving told me, I don't like 332 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: the optic of the National Guard standing in line with 333 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: capital in the background. I was dumb found I'm hearing 334 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: the exact same thing. So you know, I'm wondering, is 335 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: there some talking points behind us? I repeatedly, I'm baging. 336 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: I'm almost at tears, and the marriage Fountain said this. 337 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: I was almost at tears, begging him to send me resources, 338 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: and kept tearing this over and over, and he said 339 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: his recommendations to that that I am my request. That 340 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 2: was his first response. Uh, And then I kept pleading 341 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: with him. He said, well, I'm going to run this 342 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: up the chain, and that's when we had the shooting 343 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: of action. Bab it and I had to get on 344 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: the phone. 345 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's so frustrating, man. I think in many ways, 346 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: I look at what's happened in your career. I think 347 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: of how many officers that day never recovered, and we 348 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: know that some took their own lives. I think how 349 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: many people who went to the Capitol, in my suspicion, 350 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: who did little or nothing and relatively speaking, and ended 351 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: up in prison. I just think of this as horrible, 352 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: as Richard Nixon or as Gerald Ford referred to the 353 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: next administration. It feels like a long national nightmare, and 354 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: it's it's extremely, extremely disturbing. And I believe you don't 355 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: have to and I'm not saying you do or don't. 356 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: I believe that the various forces were at work here 357 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: and a lot of good people doing their jobs, and 358 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people, patriots got caught up in it 359 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: and were terribly, terribly affected by you mentioned earlier you 360 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: made reference to, and I hope we'll have time to 361 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: get to that. Who will make time in the next segment. 362 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: Stephen Sundays, I guess he was a Capital City police 363 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: chief on January the Capitol police chief on January sixth, 364 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: twenty one, Jackie, you're here, jack a crash that killed 365 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: Congresswoman jack Uell Or. 366 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 4: Here. 367 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: Stephen Sundays, I guess he was the police chief of 368 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: the Capital Police on January sixth of twenty twenty one, 369 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: that fateful day, and you made reference chief to getting 370 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: pulled into an office. I wasn't sure exactly, but you said, 371 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: I hope we'll have time to talk about that. And 372 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: I made a little scribble note to go back to 373 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: that so that I do make time for you. So 374 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: go ahead to the floor. 375 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: Is yours? 376 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. So you know, here we are January 377 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: January sixth. We get everybody back back in the session. 378 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: The National Guard finally shows up at five point forty pm. 379 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: We have to swear them in as special police officers. 380 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: They once they get off their bus, the fighting is over. 381 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: You know, We've We've got everything done. Everything is secured. 382 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: I brought in seventeen law enforcement agencies, seventeen hundred police officers. 383 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 2: That's all taken care of. What if they do they 384 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: line up with all their riot gear, take a picture 385 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 2: with the Capitol in the background and put it. 386 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: On Military Time magazine. I thought you'd just get a 387 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: kick out of that. When the Pentagon had said they 388 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 3: were so concerned. 389 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 2: About the optics, and to have that bed the optics 390 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: that they took away from it, that was interesting. So 391 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: the next day we're briefing January seventh. The morning of 392 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: January seventh, we're briefing members of Congress. Now now mind you, 393 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: that evening I talked to Speaker Pelosi three times. First 394 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: time brought around five thirty five. I'd gone over to 395 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: brief Vice President Pence. We had him at a secure 396 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: location on Capitol Hill. He had been calling me a 397 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: couple of times, asked me to come over and brief him. 398 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: I couldn't leave because you know, I had to be 399 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: up to the Man Center getting things under control. But 400 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: once we could, I went over to brief him. When 401 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 2: I briefed him of when we can get them back 402 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: in a session, he got Speaker Pelosi on a call. 403 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: We pretty sure. And this has now all come out. 404 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 2: You see the film footage that comes out from her 405 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: daughter that was with her Speaker Pelosi, which he's saying, 406 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: I take responsibility. But and you'll see some of this 407 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: that I talked about. And there's a video of me 408 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: with Pence and her getting a call from Pence, and 409 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 2: that's one of the calls. So I talked to him. 410 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: I talked her three times. So the next day we're 411 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: briefing my oversight, we're briefing members of Congress about you 412 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 2: know what the plan is moving forward with, the plan 413 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: is with National Guard support. When I get a call 414 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: that Speaker Pelosi, this is right on one o'clock in the afternoon, 415 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: is getting ready to go on national TV and call 416 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 2: for my resignation. I said, okay. My general counsel and 417 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 2: my chief administrative officers you know, said hey, let's go 418 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: in your office. We'll watch it there. Gave my wife 419 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: a little heads up, went in, watched it and knows 420 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: about a twenty minute press conference and it's on YouTube. 421 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 3: You can watch. 422 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: It's the very end of the press conference. It's a 423 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: planning question. Somebody asked, you know, what are you gona 424 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: do about security figures up on Capitol Hill. She says, 425 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 2: that's a great question. We're going to do an after 426 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: action study, which would have been smart if she'd just 427 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: stopped there. But then she calls me out by name 428 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: and says, I'm calling for the resignation of Chief's son. 429 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: There was a failure of leadership at the top, and 430 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: you know he has to go. 431 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: He failed. 432 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think exactly what she said, but you 433 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: could tell she studies over her voice for a little bit. 434 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 3: Now, mind you. 435 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 2: I had tried to get National Guard in advance on 436 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: January third and repeatedly on January sixth, have been denied 437 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: by her sergeant at arms specifically. 438 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 3: And then she goes on. 439 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: National TV says there's a failure of leadership at the 440 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: top of the Capitol. Police calls me out by name, 441 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: then tells the American public and I haven't even called 442 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: her since this curg which is a lie. 443 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 3: Uh, and then calls. 444 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: From my resignation. You know, I sat and talked to 445 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: my wife. I was heading stuff for thirty six hours. 446 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: I was shell shocked. I said, you know, fine, I 447 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: submitted my my letter of resignation with a three week 448 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: transition period in the very that The very next morning, 449 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: I got a call saying you're immediately. 450 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: Uh. 451 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: I was cut off from all my computer access uh 452 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: and was to move out of my office immediately. So 453 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: over that weekend, I actually was moving everything at my 454 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 2: office and has never stepped back and foot in that 455 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: office again. Nobody has talked to me. 456 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 3: Uh, well, very little. I had to go down for. 457 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: A couple of conferences, but yeah, it wasn't didn't get 458 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,239 Speaker 2: access to any investigation, uh, nothing like that. 459 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 3: So so I agree there was there was a number. 460 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: Of key people in that crowd that I think were problematic, 461 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: But I think a lot of those people in that 462 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: crowd were what I call strap hangers, people that just 463 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: kind of followed along, looked at the crowd, went in, 464 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: didn't do anything, didn't assault the officers at all. You 465 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 2: know that, I think, you know, it's a shame how 466 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 2: some of these people got treated. I've been in policing 467 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: for a long time. I've never seen that type of 468 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: levels of sentencing handed down, even for APO assault on 469 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: police officer. So I was kind of surprised by that. 470 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 2: But you know, to be to be stripped away from 471 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: an agency I loved, and when I try to prevent that. 472 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: Now Congress has come out. If you look at some 473 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 2: of the recent hearings and reports, Tigress has said, if 474 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: the Sergeant at Arms had approved Sun's request for dashboard 475 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: support on January third, chances are the capital have never 476 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: been breached. And then in December seventeenth, twenty twenty four, 477 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: under Chairman Very Louder Route their last report that they 478 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: did now that I think the committee's coming back again. 479 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: Their last report exonerates me by name, but I'm still 480 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,239 Speaker 2: fighting to get the retirement. My retirement was stripped all 481 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: you know, all benefits, everything like that. It was immediately stripped. 482 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yep, yeah I was. I was only 483 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 3: a few months away from being totally totally vested. And 484 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 3: I do believe if the facts have been known, I. 485 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: May even still be there today. Who knows, but yeah, 486 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: they so they exonerated me December seventeenth, twenty twenty four. 487 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: I'm one of maybe a handful of people in history 488 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: that Congress has exonerated by name, which is which is interesting. 489 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 2: But I'm still working with the committee, still working with 490 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: Chairman Laudermilk, you know, working to get some executive branch 491 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: support to have them look at my case. Didn't see 492 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 2: about you know, returning whatever benefits may be. 493 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 3: Strict for me. 494 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: How many years in law enforcement? 495 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: ID total of thirty years in law enforcement. I did 496 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 2: retire from DC Police. I did get my retirement from 497 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: DC Police. But for me, it's now just a it's 498 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: not the federal retirement, it's not anything big. But for me, 499 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 2: it's the principle. It is the fact that you know, 500 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: I tried to stop this. I tried to stop it repeatedly, 501 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 2: was repeatedly denied, and this all you know I've got. 502 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 2: I've turned over all my phone records, my transcripts, my emails, 503 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: they have everything. And I just find that that interesting 504 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 2: that you know I'm the one targeted, but you know, 505 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 2: we'll fight. 506 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 3: I know. 507 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 2: The truth is, the truth is coming out, and as 508 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 2: more the truth comes out, the better it looks for me. 509 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: Lives are destroyed in this manner. You're not going to 510 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: allow your life to be destroyed because you are a 511 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: survivor and a prevailer, but lesser men would be. And 512 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: I think it's very important to see, you know, chiefs Son, 513 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: I always counsel doing what I do. I am approached 514 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: with a lot of what will be called conspiracy theories, 515 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: and that is, you know, sometimes slapping a pejorative tag 516 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: on a on a theory that might very well have 517 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: otherwise been legitimate. So I have come to learn and 518 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 1: I counsel this often. You have to be careful that 519 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: you don't believe every conspiracy theory that is offered, just 520 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: because you're prone to believing and inclined and biased and 521 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: prejudice towards conspiracy theories. However, the parallel to that is 522 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: you have to be careful if you refuse to believe 523 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: anything called a conspiracy theory, or you'll end up eighteen 524 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: shots into Joe Biden's protocol and Fauci's laughing at your funeral. 525 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 1: So I think there is somewhere in between where you 526 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: have a more temperate, measured approach to news of the day. 527 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: But several of the things that you describe strike me 528 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: as so outside the chain of command, so outside traditional 529 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: policing principles, particularly as it relates to a highly political environment. 530 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: And I realize that you know much more and could 531 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: say much more damning things, and I respect the fact 532 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: that you're holding that tight that would be in your defense. 533 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: But these are things that I think every American needs 534 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: to know, and that the Liz Cheney Show trial and 535 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: all of that which they didn't allow you to speak to, 536 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: you know, I consider this to be a major calamity, 537 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: a major disaster in American life that that needs to 538 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: be explored to extremely great extent. Chief, if you can 539 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: hold with me for one more segment. 540 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 3: I have a couple. 541 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Of course, they remain scared the death of you, and 542 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: they remain scared to death of Trump. Michael Barry Show 543 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: You're not going anywhere even if Trump does, You're not. 544 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: Stephen Sunned is our guest, s U ind you'd like 545 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: to look him up. He's he's written a book about 546 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: all this. We'll talk about that in just a moment. 547 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: He has giving an interview. Now. He's the former police 548 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: chief of the Capitol Police On January sixth, twenty twenty one, 549 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi went after him and basically destroyed his career. 550 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: As it were, Chief sound you. You had a lot 551 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: of guys, how big is the Capitol Police Force? 552 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: Capitol Police Force? When when I was there, a lot 553 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: of people are kind of surprised by It's one nine 554 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty three officers with a budget of about 555 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: four hundred and sixty three million dollars. It comes out 556 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 2: to me about the twenty fifth apartment in the country. 557 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: My sons both I have a son who's a senior 558 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: in high school and a son who's now a sophomore 559 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: in college, and they interned for Congressman this summer. And 560 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: I had worked for law firm in d C thirty 561 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: years ago, so it was fun for me and my 562 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: wife to get to go back and spend some time 563 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: there and meet them for lunch and walk around the 564 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: capitol and do the tours and all that. We hadn't 565 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: done that in a long time. And I mean it's significant. 566 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: People don't realize it is. As you said, it would 567 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: be about the twenty fifth largest police force in the country, 568 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: and there are real security concerns and you know, somebody 569 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: could argue that's too many or whatever else there are. 570 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: It's a spread out area. You have kind of the boulevards, 571 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: the way that the boulevards, the esplanade style, big grand 572 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: European boulevard that's hard to police. There's a lot that 573 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: goes into this. But I want to go back to 574 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: January sixth and the officers there. There were officers who 575 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: died and one the claim was he was hit by 576 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: blunt force object. And my understanding is whether he was 577 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: or he wasn't. His family said he did not die 578 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: from blunt force trauma. But that you had a number 579 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: of officers who committed suicide. They took their own life. 580 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: Their lives were not taken by the protesters. Can you 581 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: speak to that. 582 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely, You've got again a lot of different questions there. 583 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 2: So technically, there was one officer whose death was a. 584 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: They went back and said it's what they call immediately 585 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 2: a line of duty death. That was officer Brian sick Nick. 586 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 2: He was one of the officers that was in Waltson 587 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: of the fighting on the West Front. He had been 588 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: sprayed with purper spray. At one point, the media had 589 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 2: said he had been hit with the fire extinguisher, which 590 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 2: didn't turn out to be true. I actually know the 591 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: DC police officer that I got hit by that but 592 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 2: ended up later on that night at about probably close 593 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: to ten o'clock, maybe between nine and ten, was walking 594 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: with a group of officers. We now have the Capital 595 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: under control. We've got a bunch officers on the perimeter, 596 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: insides under control. He's now walking with a couple of 597 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 2: Capitol Police officers and a Virginia State trooper who happens 598 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: to be a medic to go get a p T. 599 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: He's walking along and he just drops and the medic 600 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: immediately went to work on him. And I've had a 601 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 2: chance to talk to the medic. He said, you know, 602 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 2: as soon as he hit the ground, there was like, 603 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: you know, he was completely unconscious. He went over to 604 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: a GW hospital where they identified that he had what 605 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: appeared to be some type of a neurological issue at 606 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: the base of his brain stem within no brain activity, 607 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: and then ultimately passed away the very next day. That's 608 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 2: the case I think you're talking about. The autopsy by 609 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: the DC medical examiner was concluded, and they concluded in 610 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: the autopsy that he passed away with what they said 611 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 2: were natural causes and he had a double stroke at 612 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: the base of his brain stem. Later on, the same 613 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: medical examiner and a US conference had stated that the 614 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: actually the activities of the day contributed to his medical condition. 615 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: So it wasn't in the in the writing, but you 616 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: know that that was enough if you have somebody that's 617 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: on duty and then I'm just saying this from a 618 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 2: law enforcement management or. 619 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 3: Leadership point of view. 620 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: If you have somebody that's on duty, uh in conducting 621 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: their their line of duty and dies, that's going to 622 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 2: be a line of duty death. And this was a 623 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: line of duty death. So that was a situation with 624 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: Brian sick Nick. Then what you had is on that Saturday, 625 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: which would have been the ninth, January ninth, you had 626 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: the first of a series of suicides, first by the 627 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: name of Howard leaving Good. 628 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: He was a US Capitol. 629 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: Police officer who lived out in Paterface County committed suicide. 630 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: I was in moving all the stuff out of my 631 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: office when my watchmanner came in and passed on that 632 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: that news to me. Uh, the person who was acting 633 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: here they made acting chief and that's the whole story 634 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 2: in itself, was at home and I had to call 635 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: her and tell her, you know, the news, and tell 636 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: her to come on in because, uh, you know, we 637 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: got a. 638 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 3: Lot to do. 639 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, so so his suicide ultimately, after a lot 640 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: of back and forth. 641 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: Was made a line of duty death. 642 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 2: My my, my thought is, you know, with with many 643 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 2: lines different lines of work, especially law enforcement, you're exposed 644 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: to a lot of different trauma you go through, you know, 645 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: a lot of different issues. There's a lot of PTSD 646 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: uh in law enforcement. But we've really fought hard, uh 647 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: to make sure that officers know that there's there's options. 648 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: You know, these officers walk around they've got a gun 649 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: on their hip. Uh, you know whenever they're on duty 650 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: to carry it home with them. 651 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: Uh. 652 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 2: They have other options than to than to turn and 653 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: consider suicide. Now you know, it's it's okay to get counseling, 654 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: and you know a lot of agencies white counseling available 655 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: to to the officers. I get concerned that, you know, 656 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 2: it's it's always it's rare that they'll ever make a 657 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: suicide line of duty death. And I just hate to 658 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: think that, you know, there's other people that thinking, Okay, 659 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: now we've had his suicide declared line of duty. Jeff Smith, 660 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 2: who is with DC Police, committed suicide. I want to 661 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: say approxily ten days later, on like January nineteenth, if 662 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 2: I have my dates right, I think I'm pretty close. 663 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 2: But it's been a couple of years committed suicide. His 664 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: was also determined to be a line of duty depth. 665 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: I get concerned that when you do that, I don't 666 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: want to give officers the impression that you know, hey, 667 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: if I've had really a couple of traumatic experiences and 668 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: you know, things aren't going well for me, this is 669 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: an option for my family get you know, full full 670 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: benefits in a lot of duty death funeral. It just 671 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: raised for me. It raises concerns when they go through 672 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 2: that that you know, this may be an option for him. 673 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: So you know, I want any any officers listening that 674 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: you know this isn't isn't a course of action that 675 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: you really want to take. You know, consider the counseling, 676 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: consider what other options are to you, and you know, 677 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: don't don't turn toward your service weapon or anything like 678 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 2: that to all problems. 679 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that an individual is in a position where 680 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: that does make sense to them, and it's a good 681 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: reminder of how difficult this job is and why it 682 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: is deserving of respect. Steven Son, is there anything we 683 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: did not get to? I got about a minute that 684 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: you wanted to offer up before we close. 685 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you mentioning the book. My intention was 686 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: to never write a book. He always hear about these 687 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 2: people writing books. I'm sitting at the desk where when 688 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 2: I was forced to leave. I sat down and I 689 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: started just writing every note I've done, after action reports, 690 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: over and over and over again, and started putting this together. 691 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: And at first of my wife was like, you sure, 692 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: this is what you want to do, because I was 693 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: reliving this for fourteen hours a day every day, and 694 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: then when it all started coming together, you wouldn't believe 695 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: what was going on with the intelligence, with the with 696 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: the FBI, with you know, I was putting together a 697 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: briefing beforehand, and what was being told me that it's 698 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: just when you look at it, it just got so chaotic, 699 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 2: and it didn't have to be like that. I still 700 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: believe Jane or six could have been. I'm prevented. If 701 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 2: they want it, they had listened to me. But if 702 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: so many people had just done their job the way 703 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: they're supposed to, we wouldn't be here talking right now. 704 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: So I ended up putting it together. It's now been 705 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: referred to on Capitol Hill as the Tenetive after Action 706 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: of January sixth. If your readers are interested, it's on Amazon. 707 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: Get the paperback. 708 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: The paperback has the most up to date information. But 709 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 2: I think they'll find it shocking. It's the exoneration I got. 710 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: Some Congress isn't even in there because it happens since 711 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: the last edition. 712 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: So I'm sure that'll be updated. 713 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: But you know, January sixth committee under very louder much 714 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: coming back. 715 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: You know they may invite me down to testify. 716 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 3: I'm more than happy to testify. 717 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: That'll be probably the third time I've been down to 718 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 2: test by one time say that SELEC Committe wouldn't let 719 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 2: me testify. 720 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 3: In public. 721 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 2: But you're gonna hear a little you know, you'll read 722 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 2: a little bit about Slight Committee. 723 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 3: And some of the issues they had. 724 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 2: But no, I appreciate you mentioning it, and I appreciate 725 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 2: your interest in the in the story, there's there's still 726 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: a lot more there. 727 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: Thank you for your service. Good surface, Steven Sun, Capitol 728 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: Police Chief in January. 729 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 3: It's left for doing. 730 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, and good night.